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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And there she is, Elizabeth Dutton.

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Speaker 3: There I am, Hey Sarah Burnett. What's it.

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Speaker 2: How you doing good? Long time to see I'm here.

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Speaker 3: I live here now.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice? So I just had the weekend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I lost the keys to my place and so

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Speaker 4: I've been I've been staying here.

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Speaker 2: That's what that smell is. Yes, no, no, it's it's nice.

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Speaker 2: It's like a bouquet. It's like, what is that like

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Speaker 2: pot pourri? Yeah, it's really nice.

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Speaker 3: I've been eating pot pourri. Ran out of groceries.

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Speaker 2: I got that question for you. Beyond that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: You know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I do know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So Dosi segundo the third on Instagram. Okay, I like

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Speaker 4: this third to the next scent of something like hey,

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Speaker 4: Saren's gonna love slash hate this. And it was the

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Speaker 4: vulgar Chef this account on Instagram where the guy it

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Speaker 4: looks like he purade hot dogs and put them into

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Speaker 4: a cocking gun and just so he could talk about

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Speaker 4: like laying your cock into and then but he did

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Speaker 4: it and he.

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Speaker 2: Ate hot dogs. Yeah, I got hot dog paste.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I was like, this is amazing, but you.

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Speaker 4: Can't buy it. Oh, so it's just his own private,

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Speaker 4: twisted masship. But then Lindsay Max on Instagram came through

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Speaker 4: with something because you like nutella, right I do?

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Speaker 2: I love nutella? Well, ruin.

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Speaker 4: There there's this company. Maxim Fridric teamed up with Louis

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Speaker 4: Vatan to offer basically nutella a chocolate spread. You can

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Speaker 4: get Louis Vutan chocolate spread.

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Speaker 2: Wait what it's.

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Speaker 4: French hazelnuts and blue vanilla from Reunion Island blend in

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Speaker 4: this chocolate spread to create a gourmet journey of delectable smoothness,

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Speaker 4: making each spoonful of moment of delight imbued with childhood memories.

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Speaker 4: It's a very like, you know, understated jar, but it's got.

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Speaker 3: Like a little bit of the logo on there.

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Speaker 4: The jar looks very small. It's thirty five euros. One

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Speaker 4: thing that I was interested in finding out is it

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Speaker 4: full of palm oil like nutella? Yeah, no, roasted hazelnuts,

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Speaker 4: hazelnut pieces, peruvy and milk chocolate. But then they don't

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Speaker 4: tell you what else. And that's thirty nine percent six percent.

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Speaker 2: That's not enough percent.

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't not up and the rest is a

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Speaker 3: mystery you're building, a Missay.

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Speaker 2: We know what that mystery is.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to know anyway. Yeah, so Louis Vuitton

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Speaker 4: a hazelnuts spread. They also do like chocolate bars. So

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Speaker 4: if you want to spend eighteen euros twenty euros on

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Speaker 4: chocolate bar.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't Honestly, for clout, that is not the worst

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Speaker 2: mashup you've thrown at me.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's just you know, it's like this purpose it's you know,

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Speaker 4: everything branded and I don't know if it's any if

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Speaker 4: it's any good, you know, but like it's got the.

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Speaker 5: Logo on it.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what you're paying for, right of course. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 2: if you got a second, I got something ridiculous for you, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: Now you know how there's no honor among thieves. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 2: the same could be said about professional gamblers.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's very true.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 2: Heisan cons it's always ninety nine percent murder three and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes it is, Elizabeth, Yes.

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Speaker 2: It is now right now, it's World Series time okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Now did you watch the series back when the A's

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Speaker 2: were in it when you were a girl in the

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Speaker 2: late eighties?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What was that time like in Oakland? And for you personally?

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Speaker 3: My brother? Was it the earthquake game?

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Speaker 2: Oh right? I mean you've told me that in the past.

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Speaker 2: It was amazing.

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Speaker 3: It was so exciting.

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Speaker 4: It was like, you know, here's someone this team that

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Speaker 4: we've been watching the entire season, going to the games

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Speaker 4: like we're obsessed with and it was so thrilling.

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Speaker 2: Who are your favorite players?

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Speaker 3: I was big into Dennis Eckersley.

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Speaker 2: Eck Yeah, loved the T shirts with just the mustache.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have one of those anymore because I don't

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Speaker 2: There you go. I'm still team you have like heroes

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We'll keep that energy in mind as I tell

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Speaker 2: you this story.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to defleat No?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to take away any of your A's.

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Speaker 2: They've taken away enough from you. I do have one

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Speaker 2: more World series question for you, though, What do you

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Speaker 2: know about the Black Sox.

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Speaker 3: Oh yo yo. I've seen the movie.

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Speaker 2: Which I eat my now John Sales movie. It's a

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Speaker 2: pretty good one.

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Speaker 4: And I've run into yeah, more black socks they're going

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Speaker 4: to come. I've run into it in my research on

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Speaker 4: other stories that we've done.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, are Rothstein's yees, you know, bumps into that

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Speaker 2: keeping him in mind. Now, I've promised them for many

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Speaker 2: nineteen World Series. It's finally time to take a look

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Speaker 2: back at the nineteen nineteen World Series between the Chicago

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Speaker 2: White Sox and the Cincinnati Reds. Quick trivia time, just

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Speaker 2: as a side trip, Can you name the three Major

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Speaker 4: The Red Sox, the White Sox, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: You'd have to know a little bit of old baseball

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Speaker 4: Shortened the Toledo Panties.

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Speaker 2: They were the red Legs or the red stock red

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Speaker 2: known for their sock color. That's how they differentiated because

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Speaker 3: Much like the same red panties.

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Speaker 2: No not in this case.

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Speaker 4: Because they kind of sag their pants you could see

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Speaker 2: Naps or Napoleon.

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Speaker 2: Later on they became the Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers once the

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Speaker 2: Chicago White Sox Battle of the Undergarments World Series nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 2: The Cincinnati Reds were the National League pennant winners. Chicago

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Speaker 2: White Sox won the American League. Now, baseball, as you

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Speaker 2: is now known as the national pastime. It didn't take long.

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Speaker 2: Football wasn't even close at the turn of the last century.

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Speaker 2: It was like all about college football. Back then, there

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Speaker 3: They got their fill of brain damage in the Civil War.

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Speaker 2: They didn't need they didn't need it. But by in

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Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen, America's love affair with baseball was challenged. We

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Speaker 2: you see, in nineteen nineteen, the Great War aka World

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Speaker 2: So now baseball it had some down years from nineteen

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Speaker 2: Real Baseball's back, baby love affair back on right. As

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Speaker 2: and the only time they did this because of what happened. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen World Series. They were clearly the better team.

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Speaker 2: But there was one big problem with this whole arrangement.

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Speaker 2: team's owner, Charles John Fisher Comisky as in Chmmisty there

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Speaker 2: you go, Yeah, aka the Old Roman. That was his nickname. Really,

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Speaker 2: they also called him commie makes senseis it was based

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Speaker 2: on how he looked and how he acted. He apparently

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Speaker 2: was a very he loved where sheet didn't come out

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Speaker 3: The red panties and I'm the panties.

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Speaker 2: So he loved baseball, right, But older Rollman was notoriously

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Speaker 2: If a player refused their contract, they were prohibited by

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Speaker 2: So basically the old Roman loved that. He's like, you're

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Speaker 2: taking what I offer you. That's it, right, So him

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Speaker 2: being a cheapskate becomes the seed that blossoms into the

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Speaker 2: Black Sox scandal.

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Speaker 3: See that's what happens when you're a cheap owner.

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Speaker 2: Right was Chicago White Sox. This is also a team

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Speaker 2: that had two very different cultures fused together. Amongst the players,

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Speaker 2: there were a bunch of like do gutters, like college

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Speaker 2: boy Eddie Collins second basemen. Then there were the ballers

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Speaker 2: like Swede Wrisburg and Chick Gandal, who were known to

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Speaker 2: hang out with like professional gamblers, like yeah, exactly. They

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Speaker 2: were also kind of like ready to fight, you know,

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Speaker 2: tough guys. The most popular player on the team. The

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Speaker 2: star of the team was Shoeless Joe aka Joe Jackson.

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Speaker 2: You may remember him for The Big Screen played by

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Speaker 2: Ray Liota and Field of Dreams and by d. B.

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Speaker 2: Sweeney and Eight Men Out. That's he plays on his

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Speaker 2: real slow eyed like sharing at candles and stuff. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: you may have heard the recent news about Shoeless Joe.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but in May of this year, the

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Speaker 2: Commissioner of Baseball, Rob Manfred, decided to reinstate Shoeless Joe.

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Speaker 2: He ended his band from baseball, really him and Pete Rose.

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Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen World Series. So whose idea was it to

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Speaker 2: It was first basement Arnold Chick Gamble you called it.

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Speaker 2: most of them would look like forty seven old alcoholics

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Speaker 2: according to Chick Gandle, he met with a professional gambler

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Speaker 2: But at that point, Sports Sullivan offers Chick Gandle and

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Speaker 2: It's that bonus that Eddie inc So I know you

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Speaker 2: love inflation calculators, so god do it. Eighty grand in

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Speaker 2: in on this gravy. We finally decided on Jackson, Weaver, Risberg, Felch, McMullan,

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Speaker 3: Tens I saw it, man, I have like such vague memories.

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Speaker 2: Utility infielders Fred McMullin. He's basically a backup. He's in

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Speaker 2: Now he's a Southerner like Joe Jackson. He had honor

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Speaker 2: Weaver suggested we get paid in advance, then if things

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Speaker 2: got too hot, we could double cross the gambler, keep

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Speaker 2: Okay, so now that we've set this one in motion,

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Speaker 2: let's take a little break and after these messages we'll

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Speaker 5: Oh boy, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so where were we? Oh? That's right. The Chicago

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Speaker 2: They want to get paid. But then they're dumb again

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Speaker 3: The pointy of how many people approached him with stuff

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Speaker 2: Constantly exactly, Hey, I got a little action. I have

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Speaker 2: Eventually someone comes over to their table, but it's not

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, whatever. So he tells his right hand man,

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Speaker 2: him the bad news. The Brain ain't going for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: This was almost the end of Let's rig the World Series,

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Speaker 2: except the Brain's right hand man, Abattel, was a former

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Speaker 2: something like putting the fix in is difficult because he

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Speaker 2: So either way. He reaches out to Sleepy bill Burns

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Speaker 2: he wants to back to fix. He'll put up one

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Speaker 2: So meanwhile, Arnold the Brain Rothstein is also approached by

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Speaker 2: this time he listens because he respects Sports Sullivan as

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Speaker 2: as the brain says, if nine guys go to bed

434
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 2: with a girl, she'll have a tough time proving the

435
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:31,200
Speaker 2: tenth is the father. Wow. So, now that he's officially

436
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 2: backing sports Sullivan's fixed, the Brain sends him to Chicago

437
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 2: to meet with the players to arrange all the details.

438
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 2: He also sends his partner Nat Evans to oversee it all. Right,

439
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: So in Chicago, sports Sullivan does as instructed. He meets

440
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 2: with the players. They tell him the same thing as

441
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 2: they said before, we want the money up front. Yes,

442
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 2: Sports Sullivan's like, okay, okay, let me set up a

443
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,360
Speaker 2: meeting with the money man. As a ring leader, Chick

444
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 2: Gandal recalls it, a meeting was arranged at the old

445
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 2: Warner Hotel on the South Side, where many of the

446
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 2: players lived. Sullivan introduced his friend is mister Ryan, but

447
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: having met this man two years before in New York,

448
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: I recognized him as Arnold Rostein, the big shot gambler.

449
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 3: Everyone I would imagine knows who he.

450
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 2: Is, totally especial life. Yeah yeah, and if you think

451
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 2: two years before would have been nineteen seventeen, which.

452
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: The prior Yeah yeah.

453
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 2: So at this meeting, mister Ryan aka Arnold the Brain

454
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 2: Rothstein lays out his plan for the fix. As Gamble

455
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: tells it, we were to try our best to win

456
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 2: the first game behind Sikot, who was the league's leading pitcher.

457
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: The White Sox were rated as a three to one

458
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: favorites in the series, so win in the first game

459
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 2: would boost the price higher. We were then to lose

460
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: the series at our convenience. It's simple enough. If they

461
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: win game one, the odds go up, brings him more best, right,

462
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: they could then lose the series. Everyone cleans up, right,

463
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: but they still haven't gotten paid yet. So the player's like, okay,

464
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 2: when are we going to get our was it eighty grand?

465
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 2: One hundred grand? We want our money in advance.

466
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, why would you go ahead and throw it? If

467
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 3: then nothing's going to come?

468
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: And they did have to trust these gamblers. So the

469
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 2: brain who hasn't said a word yet in the meeting,

470
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: he's just got his people talking. But once the money

471
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 2: talk starts, he chimes in back to chick dandle. He asked, calmly,

472
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: what's to assure us you guys will keep the agreement?

473
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: We offered him our word, He answered, that's a weak collateral.

474
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: It's kind a point that's why I love Ronald Rothstein.

475
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: Your word is weak collateral guarantees. Right. He's like, I'm

476
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 2: putting up big money. I can't have a bunch of

477
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 2: ballplayers gave me a word. So the brain comes up

478
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: with a compromise everyone can live with. It's gandal tells

479
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: it he would give us ten thousand in advance and

480
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 2: pay the remaining seventy thousand in installments over the first

481
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: four games, each payment amounting to seventeen five hundred dollars.

482
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: That's fair enough to The idea is they get ten

483
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: large to split. Then once the series is going, every

484
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: time they throw a game, they get paid. The players

485
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 2: are like, cool, cool, we're gonna need to vote on this,

486
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 2: So they go they talk amongst themselves, they vote, They

487
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: agree to go through with the fix, but they still

488
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: want their money in advance. They're like, we're not certain

489
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: about this, you know, like Lefty Williams and Eddies they

490
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: got family, and Joe Jackson he's just saying he doesn't

491
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: trust anybody, so we want our money. So to make

492
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: the believers of the players, the brain pulls out ten

493
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: Crisp brand new one thousand dollars bills. Wow, here's the

494
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: first ten grand.

495
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 4: Think about one thousand dollars bill then oh yeah, like

496
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: the equivalency of like what kind of bill you'd be

497
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 4: pulling out.

498
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: Well, basically ten thousand dollars in twenty twenty five money

499
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: would be one hundred and eighty seven thousand, five hundred dollars,

500
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: like eighteen thousand dollars.

501
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, an eighteen thousand dollars.

502
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: Almost nineteen wow yeah yeah. So so but that's the thing.

503
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 2: If you want you put the money in their hand,

504
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: it's much harder to say no, they're going to have

505
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: to give that money back. And he knows this. So

506
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: the Brain puts the money in their hand and go,

507
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: do we have a deal, And they're like, okay, I

508
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 2: guess this is guy's getting paid in advance, right, So

509
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 2: they agree to the fix for only one thousand dollars each.

510
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: Now that the fix is on, the Brain starts laying

511
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: bets with bookmakers on the Reds to win the World Series.

512
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: But he's trying to do it casually so nobody knows

513
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: it's him. Otherwise they're going to be kind of suspicious

514
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: because he's taking the underdog.

515
00:23:59,359 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

516
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: Fortunately, his partner in the fix, his fellow professional gambler.

517
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 2: Sports Sullivan has no honor, so there was supposed to be.

518
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: They agreed that they would have forty grand that was

519
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: gonna be held in a safe. Right, That's what the

520
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: brain told him. He's like, yeah, I'm willing to put

521
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: forty thousand in a safe in Chicago. Sports Sullivan will

522
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: be in charge of the money. As soon as there's

523
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: evidence that fix is on, you'll get paid. Sports Sullivan's like, yeah,

524
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: you already gave him ten. So he takes the other

525
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 2: thirty thousand that's left and he bets it on the

526
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds. He takes their money and bets it's it

527
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: rather than paying them off. He's like, I want to

528
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: get I want to get my beak wet, maybe make

529
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: myself a little extra money. At thirty grand, it doesn't

530
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: even earn any interest, is sitting in a safe, so

531
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: he bets it. So now I should say there have

532
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: been some doubts about whether or not the Brain really

533
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: was the money man for the fix or not right. However,

534
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: according to historian Harold Seymour, there were affid David's discovered

535
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: in Arnold the Brain Rosstine's files after he died one

536
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: of the Affid Davids said, quote, he paid out eighty

537
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for the World Series fix, So I say

538
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: that kind of files. Yeah, it's so it's either way.

539
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: It's his involvement that makes the players believe the fix

540
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 2: is possible because the brain was that guy. So I

541
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: tend to believe Akham's razor style he's the fixer.

542
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: Agreed.

543
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: Anyway, after this meeting with mister Ryan ak the Brain,

544
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: the White Sox players agree to fix the World Series

545
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: with Sports Sullivan. But Eddie Sitcott's like, what about Sleepy

546
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: bill Burns. So he goes he goes back to me

547
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: and goes O, hey, hey, the fix is on, We're going

548
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: to do it. And then he's like, but the players

549
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: want to get paid, So he tries to get double

550
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: dipping with Sleepy bill Burns like he's running the fix,

551
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: and so Sleepy bill Burns is like, I bet let me,

552
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: let me raise the cash because he didn't get the

553
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: money from so the players they think they can finesse

554
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: all these professional gamblers and it's all going to work

555
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: out for them. Yeah, so innocent. At this point, talk

556
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 2: of the fix starts to spread fast on the streets.

557
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: In fact, the day after their meeting with the Brain,

558
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: Chick Gamble gets a call from a Chicago reporter wanting

559
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: to know what's what. Tells it he heard the series

560
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: was fixed. Where'd you hear that crazy story? I said,

561
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: and hung up. Now, if you're going to fix something

562
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: like the World Series, that's what we in the sports

563
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: rigging business call a bright red flag. Yes, right, Because

564
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: that same night, Sports Sullivan comes by Chick Gamble's place.

565
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: He tells him there's more bad news, since the streets

566
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: are talking that the fix is in. The odds of

567
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: three to one odds are going down. The bookmakers are

568
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: going to make less money, the betters are going to

569
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: make less money. But then it gets even worse. Because

570
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: word doesn't just spread in Chicago, talk actually reaches Cincinnati.

571
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: As Gambal tells it, by the time we arrived in

572
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 2: Cincinnati to open the series, the rumors really flying. Even

573
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: a clerk in a stationary store, not recognizing me as

574
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: a ballplayer, told me confidentially I had at firstand that

575
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: the series is in the bag. No maitrices and bell

576
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: hops were talking the same way. Reporters were buzzing about,

577
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: asking questions everybody knows. You know, when you got random

578
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: stationary store clerks and bell hops telling people to fix it,

579
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: come over here, touching the nose. Then you know, on

580
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: the sly like it's the sting. Now. I don't got

581
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: to tell you this, but that's capital be bad news,

582
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: especially for the players who've now agreed to fix the

583
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: World Series. So meanwhile, the White Sox players are still

584
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: waiting to get paid to throw the World Series. Remember

585
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: they wanted their money up front. In said, they got

586
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: the Crisp one thousand dollars bills and that's it. Sports

587
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: Sullivan wagered the rest of the money. Sleepy Bill Burnes

588
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: is like, hey, let me raise the money, right, So

589
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: there's no money in advance for them. At this point,

590
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: the White Sox players start to get pissed. The night

591
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: before Game one of the World Series, they go to

592
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: a hotel and they meet with a Battel, the right

593
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: hand man of the Brain. They demand what they call

594
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: their money before the series starts. But as I think

595
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: they should know, until it's in their pocket, it.

596
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 3: Ain't their money exactly.

597
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: A ba Tel, former prize fighter, right hand man of

598
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 2: the Brain. He don't scare easily, doesn't have a bunch

599
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: of ball bars.

600
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: Deal.

601
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: So instead he tells the players how it is. They

602
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: get paid once they throw the games. That's it, he says.

603
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: For each game they lose, he'll get them a payout

604
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: of twenty thousand dollars. Since it's a best of nine

605
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: game series, the Reds need to win five games. Yeah,

606
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: that works out to be one hundred grand, right, which

607
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: again is one point eighty seven million. For them to

608
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: split eight ways, that would be two hundred and thirty

609
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: four thousand, three hundred and seventy five dollars in twenty

610
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars each. Now, the players tell a battel

611
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: they could definitely throw the first two games. Eddie sickeuts

612
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: on the mound for game one. Lefty Williams has got

613
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: the He's gonna pitch Game two. Yeah, no problem. We

614
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: can't guarantee game three because that's gonna be a little

615
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: dicky kerr. So there you go. He's like, well, that's fine,

616
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: it's finny. You guys gonna pick back up for game four,

617
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: Game five, that's no problem. Yeah, okay, time to play ball.

618
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: Is this World Series? Game one of the World Series.

619
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: It's October first, nineteen nineteen Eddie Sicutt for the White

620
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: Sox pitching versus the Red Star pitcher Dutch Royther Arnold.

621
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: The brain rosting wasn't in Cincinnati for the series, but

622
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: he was paying attention because he's at the Ensonia Hotel

623
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: in New York and they have like this is before

624
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: radio got big, so people couldn't listen to the game

625
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: on the radio. Instead, he's in the lobby of the

626
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: hotel and they got a man there reading the pitch

627
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: by pitch from a telegraph machine. Just announce it right,

628
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: So people all seated around on these high backed chairs

629
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: listening ball one, you know, like right. So they've arranged

630
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: a signal that the fix is on. Eddie Sicott is

631
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: supposed to walk the first batter of the game, or

632
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: he can just hit him with a pitch. The guy

633
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: just has to reach first base, right. The fellow reading

634
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: the pitch by pitch reports that first pitch has a

635
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: strike all right.

636
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 6: Now.

637
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: Now second pitch, oh, it's a bit wild. Oh it

638
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: hits the leadoff batter right in the back. Take your base.

639
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: The fix is on. This is all the brain wants

640
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: to hear. He walks out of the lobby. He didn't

641
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: care about baseball.

642
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys got the rest.

643
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: No, Elizabeth, you want to know how obvious it was

644
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: that the fix was on?

645
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: I do want to know.

646
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: In Game one, the pitcher for the Reds, Dutch Routher,

647
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: not only throws a six hitter and gives up just

648
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: one run, he also goes three for three on the day.

649
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: In the batter's box. The pitcher had not one but

650
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: two triples and he knocked in three runs. He single

651
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: handedly wins the game for the Reds. And it isn't

652
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: just him. The Reds have a great game top to

653
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: bottom of the line up. They win nine to one.

654
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: After the game, the owner Charles Kamisky goes down and

655
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: he meets with the White Sox manager Kid Gleason. Sure,

656
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: because both men had heard talk around town that the

657
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: fix was in. So Cammy asked Kid Gleason if he

658
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: thinks his team is are they actually trying to throw

659
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: the World Series? And Kid Gleason, you're like, well, he hams,

660
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: he haws a little bit. Then he says, I don't know,

661
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: but I could tell something is wrong with the team.

662
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 7: Right.

663
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: He's an optimist, He's like, he's a good hearted guy.

664
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: For game two, Lefty Williams is on the mound. He's

665
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: going against slim Sally for the Reds.

666
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: Slim sald.

667
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: The White Sox players decide we're gonna make game two

668
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: less of an obvious fix, but there are still plenty

669
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: of hanky moments, like in the fourth inning, Lefty Williams

670
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: walks three Reds players and all three wind up scoring.

671
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: White Sox lose the game four to two, slightly after

672
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: Ray shack the catcher. He he was known to be

673
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: something of a hot head, and he isn't in on

674
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: the fix. He's part of the good guy's crew. He

675
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: confronts Kid Gleason, the manager, and he starts yelling in

676
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: his face about how Lefty Williams is ignoring his signs

677
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: for his pitches. He shouts, the son of a bitch,

678
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: Williams kept crossing me in that lousy fourth inn. He

679
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: crossed me three times. He wouldn't throw a curve. Oh oh,

680
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: he's heated, So Kid Gleason's like, well, you know, well

681
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: he's a good pitcher. Maybe he'll get it back. Game five,

682
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: same night, Sleepy Bill Burns stops by Chick Gandal's hotel room.

683
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: He leaves some money for the players. They're supposed to

684
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: being paid every game. They've thrown two, but it isn't

685
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: the twenty grand that he was promised. Instead, he's like,

686
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: here's ten thousand dollars. So at least they get something, right,

687
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: Slader bill Burns managed to get something. Unlike the brains

688
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: right hand man Aba Tel, he's nowhere to be seen.

689
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: Oh really, At this point, the players are owned forty

690
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: grand from aba Tel and Sports Sullivan. Yeah, so they've

691
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: thrown two games, Elizabeth, do you think the players got

692
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: that money? Absolutely no, no, they did not, because Sports

693
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: Sullivan decided to bet the money on the series and

694
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: he won't get his until they throw the whole series,

695
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: so even if he did want to pick exactly. Meanwhile,

696
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: Sleepy bill Burns, the other one fixing the series. He

697
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: wants to know if the players are planning on throwing

698
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: Game three, So Chick Gamble tells them, yeah, we're gonna

699
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: throw Game three. Based on that, Sleepy bill Burns bets big,

700
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: like all the money he's made so far on the game.

701
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: What he doesn't know is that Gamble. The players are

702
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: pissed that they're not getting their money, so they decide,

703
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: you know what, forget it. We're not throwing the game, right,

704
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: We're gonna teach these gamblers a lesson. If they don't

705
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: give us our money, they lose money.

706
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: It's too obvious too to just lose everything.

707
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: That's a good point too.

708
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mix it up a little bit of dram there.

709
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: Well if they do. In game three, the pitcher is

710
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: that little Dicky Kerr, and he's a young kid. He

711
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: knows nothing about the fix. He's one of the good guys.

712
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: He goes out there, he throws a damn fine game.

713
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: He gives up just three hits. The White Sox win

714
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: the game three to zero, and Gamble actually ends up

715
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: knocking in two of the three runs. Oh wow. And

716
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: because he bet on the loss, Sleepy Bill Burns loses

717
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: it all. He's knocked out of the fix.

718
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: Oh there goes all their money.

719
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: So now they can't One of the gambler's supposed to

720
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: be paying them can't pay them because he lost all

721
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: his money. Right, But they're like, he teaches you guys

722
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: a lesson, you should be paying us, Like, don't do

723
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: you not understand how it fix works? Now? The record

724
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: at this point in the series is two to one

725
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: in favor of the Reds. At this point, the players

726
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: are getting pissed at chick gandal because they keep asking

727
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: when are we gonna get our money when we get paid? Yeah,

728
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: He's trying to keep them calm. He's like, hey, it's fine,

729
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: I got this handle. Just be patient. And if they

730
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: get loud, he's like, sweedet Wrisper go over and talk

731
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: to him, and he's like, don't you bother him. You know,

732
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: he's like the tough guy. Now, before game four, chick

733
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: Gandle meets with Sports Solivan. He's like, hey, look the

734
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: guys they want their money. You almost twenty grand for

735
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: this game or else? The fixes off you, all right?

736
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: Where aready busted? Sleepy Bill Burns? The Sports Solomon's like, hey,

737
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: I don't have a right this second. But he's like,

738
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: all right, well I'll get you your money. So where

739
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: he gets it is anyone's guest. But he manages to

740
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: get money to chick Gamble before game four starts. Really

741
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: at first, Game four was a good game. The score

742
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: remain tied at zero until the fifth inning, and that's

743
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: when Eddie Siicott, now back on the mound, decides not

744
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: to make one but two obvious errors that allow the

745
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: Reds to score. Final game score Reds two, White Sox zero.

746
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 5: Oh wow.

747
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 2: After that game, Lefty Williams is gonna start Game five.

748
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 2: Goes to Chick Gamble's hotel room. He wants his money.

749
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: He's like, I want to We're gonna get paid because

750
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: I remember Gamble's the ring leader. He's dispersing the funks

751
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: that all the players they aren't meeting with these Gamblers.

752
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: He's doing it all right. So Lefty Williams remembers the

753
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: clandestine meeting. There were two packages, two envelopes lying there,

754
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: and he says, this is your dough now. Gamble told

755
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: me there's five for yourself and five for Jackson and

756
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: the rest has been called for. So he's like petering

757
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: out to whoever gets mad and he gives here's five grand.

758
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: Shut up, go out, you'll do the fix.

759
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

760
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: Game five, Lefty Williams takes the mound. This game wasn't

761
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: an obvious debacle, but there were moments, so like when

762
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: Happy feltch the outfielder, he dropped a fly ball in

763
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: the sixth inning. Then he throws it to Swede Wrisburg,

764
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: who's covering second, and he misplays the throw, the ball

765
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: gets away from him, so they're both like bungling. That

766
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: same inning, Happy Felch misplays a second shot to the outfield,

767
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: misses the ball three runs score. White Sox lose the

768
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 2: game five to zero. At this point, sports writers are talking, right,

769
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: They're starting to be like, you think the fixes? Are

770
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: you kidding me to fix? Definitely? No one could be

771
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: in the series and play this bad wet series is

772
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: now four to one in favor of the Reds. Now

773
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: Typically we would think, oh, you won the series, but

774
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: remember it's a best of nine series. The Reds still

775
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: need to win the fifth game, but before the series

776
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: is over, the talk of the fix is now everywhere.

777
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: Odds from the bookmakers have plummeted. The gamblers are having

778
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: a hard time making money, but worse than that, they

779
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 2: stop paying the players altogether. There's no more money after

780
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: game five. So the White Sox players decide, you know what,

781
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: We've been double crossed by these gamblers. So, following Buck

782
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: Weaver's original call, they say, to hell with the gamblers.

783
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna win the series.

784
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

785
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: So now they're going to try to screw Onald the

786
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: Brandon Rosstein, who bet on them to lose the series.

787
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: So in Game six, the White Sox, they go out,

788
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: they ball out, and they win the game final score

789
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: five to four. For Game seven, they do the same thing.

790
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: They win that one four to one. So now the

791
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: record for the series is four to three in favor

792
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: of the Reds. But if the White Sox can win

793
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: Game eight, they can force a game nine. They can

794
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: still win this thing, right, and if they do that,

795
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: they'll screw over all the gambles who have been on

796
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: them to lose the fixed series, chief among them Arnold

797
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: the Brain Rothsteam And they must have forgotten who they

798
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: were dealing with. Yeah, exactly, because after the White Sox

799
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: win games six and seven, so Hoods come and they

800
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: threaten Eddie Siicott and Lefty Williams. In fact, one of

801
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: the Hoods tells Lefty Williams he's got a pretty young wife.

802
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: Sure would be a shame if anything happened to him,

803
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: because you know, you're hard headed, right.

804
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 4: They're not just gonna be like, oh, we're really disappointed

805
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: you guys didn't do it at the end of the day,

806
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 4: Like yeah, come on.

807
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: No, Like they're like, I'm gonna kill everything you love

808
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: everything yeah, if you cost my boss money. Yeah. So

809
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: Lefty Williams he gets the start in Game eight. What

810
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: do you think he does, Elizabeth. Does he go out

811
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: there and ball out or does he throw it?

812
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: He throws it?

813
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: Well, after these messages, I'll tell you how this all

814
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: shakes out.

815
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we're back, Elizabeth.

816
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: You're ready to hear how the White Sox become the

817
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: Black Socks. Yes? Please, So, after his visit from the hoods,

818
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: Lefty Williams clearly gets the message. He goes out there,

819
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: takes the mound, and he saves his wife's life. Yeah.

820
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the most important thing.

821
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: It's waits wild. In the first inning, he throws just

822
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: fifteen pitches, and with those fifteen pitches, he allows four

823
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: hits and three runs. He only manages to get one

824
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: out before he's taken out of the game by the

825
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: manager Kid Gleases, so he technically pitches one third of

826
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: an inning. That's it. Right after that, it's an uphill

827
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: road for the White Sox. Some of them are still

828
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: trying to win. The good guys. Some of the bad

829
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: guys are still trying to win because they haven't been threatened.

830
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: So they managed to score five runs. The bad news

831
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: is the Cincinnati I'd scored ten runs. That was that

832
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds win the World Series.

833
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

834
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: Now, if you ask their manager Pat Moran, which some

835
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: sports writers did, hey, do you think the fix is in?

836
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

837
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: He said he believed that there was no fix, and

838
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: his team naturally triumphed. As he put it, quote, if

839
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: they throw some of the games, they must be consummate

840
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: actors for nothing in their playing gave me the impression

841
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: they weren't doing their best.

842
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: No, you don't want to get out there, like, the

843
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 4: only reason we won is because they blew it for

844
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 4: these guys, are you know, be rated team?

845
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

846
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: No, you want to gass up your own guys.

847
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: You got to me, absolutely have to. You're like, my

848
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: guy's been out there to play their parts out.

849
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

850
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: Now for a more neutral stance, there's the umpire for

851
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: the game. Billy Evans. Sports writers asked him you think

852
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: the fix was in? Now? Originally he was like, no,

853
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? But then a year later,

854
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: when news finally broke that the World Series had indeed

855
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: been fixed by gamblers. At that point, the empire for

856
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: the series, Billy Evans said, well, I guess I'm just

857
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: a big dope. That series looked all right to me.

858
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah.

859
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: But also if you asked the official scorer of the

860
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: World World Series if it was rigged, he said he

861
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: only saw one play that seemed suspicious to him. Really now,

862
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: but there was one guy who was very honest and

863
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: was around baseball, the former star pitcher Christy Mathewson, who

864
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: was known to be a straight shooter, like all around,

865
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 2: like grown up boy scout, and he didn't smoke, didn't drink.

866
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: He was just straight arrow. He says he saw at

867
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: least seven plays there were clear evidence the series was fixed. Yeah,

868
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: so the sports writers like see, okay, Christy won't lie

869
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: to us right now. The most obvious ballplayers involved in

870
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: the fix were Eddie Sicott, Lefty Williams, Chick Gandle Sweet, Wrisberg,

871
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: and Happy Felch. Their play was indicative of the fix.

872
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: The others were not so obvious. So Fred McMullin. He

873
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: was a backup, so he didn't even have much impact

874
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: on the game. He only had two at bats in

875
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: the entire series and a hit, so he got one.

876
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: He went yeah, five hundred. Meanwhile, Buck Weaver and shoeless

877
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: Joe Jackson, They actually had really good games and they

878
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: did show any obvious signs that they were in the fix.

879
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

880
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: Like, Joe Jackson batted three seventy five over this eight

881
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: game series. He scored five runs, had six RBIs. He

882
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: had the only home run in the series and in

883
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: the field single air. Same for Buck Weaver. He batted

884
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: three twenty four during the series, which is the second

885
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: highest batting average on the team. He also had no errors.

886
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: He played his heart out, so did he and Joe

887
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: Jackson both have a change of heart about the fixed

888
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: World Series. Hmm, well, Elizabeth, you know how often the

889
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: crime isn't why people get caught. Instead, it's the cover up.

890
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: The really ruined Watergate comes to mind. Oh yeah, this

891
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: was baseball's watergate. After the White Sox lost the World Series,

892
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: talk is still everywhere that the game was fixed and

893
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: naturally arnold. The brain Rosstein name keeps getting mentioned a lot,

894
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: but no one has any proof. However, almost everyone's certain

895
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: something ain't right about this, but there's still just no

896
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: hard proof, and a fixed World Series is a huge scandal.

897
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 2: It could threaten the sports. Baseball was basically a young

898
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: professional sport that he has just gotten rid of. The

899
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: Federal League was there's a competition, yea. And so they're

900
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: trying to like, you know, keep things going, and they've

901
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: just gotten back from the war. They're trying to be like, oh,

902
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: let's get this going. It's like basically after a player strike,

903
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: they're trying to get the people to come back to

904
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: the ballparks. And plus for a lot of people, you know,

905
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 2: good and bad, they get eventually involved in this cover

906
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: up because this is America's past time. They got to

907
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: protect baseball. Yeah. So after the series, Charles Kamiski he

908
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: starts facing questions from the sports ride like, comy, come on,

909
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: did you did you know about the fix? He tries

910
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: to squelch, and you talk of a fix? What fixed

911
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: any you guys? Come on now, bye, guys. They bawled out.

912
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: The questions persist, so the cover up isn't working. So

913
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: eventually he releases a statement to the press to the

914
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: effect of I believe my boys fought the battle of

915
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: the recent World Series on the level as they've always done,

916
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: and I would be the first to want information to

917
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: the contrary. If there be any I would give twenty

918
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to anyone unearthing information to that effect, He's like,

919
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: I want proof, I want receipts. Don't come at me.

920
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: But by the way, twenty grand that would be about

921
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars in twenty twenty

922
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: five dollars. Good money. It's a lot of motivation for

923
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: somebody to go find something. He also Kamiski hires a

924
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: private eye to do some digging as well. Private eye

925
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: is like, okay, let me dig into their finances. So

926
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: he just starts going through everybody but Buck Weaver. Nobody

927
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: thought by Weaver was dirty. His finding's inconclusive. No one

928
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: can find evidence. Yeah, Elizabeth, you know how baseball's their

929
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: winter baseball meetings between owners. Yes, so the rigged World Series,

930
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: of course, is the talk of the meetings. So it

931
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: starts bubbling back up to make matters worse. Though at

932
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: that same time, as Chicago sports writer, he publishes a

933
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: story in a New York paper because Chicago paper's like,

934
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: we can ye, not touching that. So the paper as

935
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: it runs, the headline is big League Baseball being run

936
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: for gamblers with ballplayers and the deal. Oh and then

937
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 2: before any facts are found out or any evidence emerges

938
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: of the fix. The manager of the White Sox, Kid Gleeson,

939
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: is in New York and that's where he learns the truth.

940
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: It's July following year in nineteen twenty. Kid Gleeson, he's

941
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: in this bar in New York. He runs into Arnold

942
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: the Brain Rothstein's right hand man, A ba tell the

943
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: former prize fighter.

944
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

945
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: The two get to talking. Ab Hotel tells Kid Gleason,

946
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: you know, I always respected you, and I feel bad

947
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: about you losing the World Series, or as he put it,

948
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: you know, Kid, I hated to do that to you,

949
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: but I thought I was going to make a bundle

950
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: and I needed it. Whoa, so Hay Betel confesses that

951
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: Arnold the Brand Rostein was the money man who made

952
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: it all happen, you know. And Kid Gleason's furious because

953
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: he's this decent guy. So he tries to find a

954
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: sports writer who will write up this story that it's

955
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: Arnold a braind Rosstein he fixed the World Series. But

956
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: all he has for proof is some drunken confession from

957
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: a former prize fighter that's not real evidence. No, No

958
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: one runs with the story. It looks like the truth

959
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: will never come out because mostly most of Major League

960
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: Baseball they just want the scandal to go away. Team

961
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: motors don't want to talk about it. Players don't want

962
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: to talk about the cover up is working. Why spoil

963
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: a good thing?

964
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

965
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: But then that same year, in nineteen twenty, the White

966
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: Sox are back in the lead to win the pennant

967
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: and go back to the World Series because they're still

968
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: a good team. And that Elizabeth is when an odd

969
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: turn of events brings the scandal back out into the light. Yeah,

970
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: turns out my team, the Chicago Cubs, are involved. There's

971
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: a Cubs Phillies game on August thirty first, and there's

972
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: talk the game was fixed. It was a clear fixed game.

973
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: This time a grand jury gets convened. No criminal charges

974
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 2: being talked about. The assistant state attorney in Illinois says,

975
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: subpoena is out to a bunch of folks in baseball. Yeah.

976
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: One ballplayer he's called to testify. He's in New York

977
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: Giants pitcher Rub Benton. In his testimony, he says, my

978
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: old teammate, Sleepy Bill Burns, he sent me a telegram

979
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: and said the White Socks were going to lose the

980
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen World Series. He said the fix is in.

981
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: He also said in the telegram he specifically named players

982
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: Chick Gandal, Happy Felch, Lefty Williams, Eddie Sitcott said they're

983
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: all in on it. This is now finally some evidence

984
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: this stunts a wagon. Eventually, since it look like the

985
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: White Socks are headed back to the World Series, they

986
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: gotta be stopped otherwise this is a series going to

987
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 2: be fixed again. Baseball's now panic because I was like, okay,

988
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: you know you're putting all of our money on the line.

989
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: A couple days later, a Philadelphia newspaper publishes a story

990
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: based on an interview with this guy, Bill marag. I

991
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: didn't mentioned his name, but he was the associate of

992
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: Sleepy Bill Burns when they first approached Arnold Braglastein at

993
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: the racetrack and they had to sit at the dinner table. Yeah,

994
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: that's this guy. In his interview, he tells a reporter

995
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: from a Philadelphia newspaper all that he knows, he spills.

996
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: Guess he was still mad about Sleepy Bill Burns getting

997
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: screwed over by Chick Gandle and now losing all the

998
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: money and getting pushed out of the fix. So now

999
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: once he dumps, there's hard proof of the fix. At

1000
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: this point, Eddie Siicott comes forward and he goes and

1001
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: he testifies to the grand jury. He confirms what everyone suspects.

1002
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: He's subpoenaed. He appears before the grand jury, spills his guts,

1003
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: airs out his guilty heart. He tells the grand jury,

1004
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: I don't know why I did it. I must have

1005
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: been crazy. Wrisberg gandle McMullen were at me for a

1006
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: week before the series began. They wanted me to go crooked.

1007
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I needed the money. I had the

1008
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: wife and the kids. The wife and the kids don't

1009
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: know about this. I don't know what they'll think. Right.

1010
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: At this point, he starts to cry. Yeah, he's like

1011
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: a brick, just like I don't know what I've done, right,

1012
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: He says, I've lived a thousand years in the last

1013
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: twelve months. I wouldn't have not done that thing for

1014
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: a million dollars. Now I've lost everything, job and everything.

1015
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: My friends all bet on the socks. I knew, but

1016
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell them. We'll save them from it, I know, yeah,

1017
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: but I mean.

1018
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: Like god, what it would weigh on him.

1019
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1020
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1021
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: So the next to come forward is shoeless Joe Jackson.

1022
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: He testifies his involvement and he admits to take him

1023
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 2: but by the way, it's well known that he's getting subpoenaed.

1024
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: So like the could people like a happy feltch and

1025
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: Chick Gandle. They're like, hey, don't you go talk, don't

1026
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: you squeal? Right, he goes anyway, he admits to taking

1027
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: I got five grand from the gamblers, and he says

1028
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: he told his wife what he was doing and she

1029
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: told him it was an awful thing to do. She

1030
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: started crying when he told her. He still went through

1031
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: with it. So Joe Jackson testifies that the players have

1032
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 2: been double crossed by the gamblers. He'd been promised twenty grand,

1033
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: but he only got five grand. But by then it

1034
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: was too late. They had already you know, they were

1035
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: in it. And he also testified that he confronted Chick

1036
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: Gandle and Chick Gandle's like, what are you gonna do,

1037
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 2: Holly for a cop?

1038
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 4: So, I mean that's the thing is you get this

1039
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 4: opportunity and if you if you're not thinking straight and

1040
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 4: you're just thinking of the money, there's you're not looking

1041
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 4: down the road that there's no way out of this,

1042
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 4: no going back. There's no going back, and it's not

1043
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 4: going to end no matter how it shakes out. Sure,

1044
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 4: there's always going to be a problem for you, not

1045
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 4: for them, but for you.

1046
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the one who's out there on the diamond. Yeah,

1047
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: who's gonna face all the glared You're going to disappoint everybody.

1048
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 2: No one's upset by Arnold the Brain Rothstein doing some

1049
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: hanky stuff.

1050
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: Well, and the thing is, you think about throwing a game.

1051
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: You know, you're trying to You're you're covering your end

1052
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 4: of the bargain, but you don't know what's going on with.

1053
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: The other team.

1054
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, you know.

1055
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: And so it's like there are flukes and that not

1056
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: everyone on.

1057
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: The team is in on it, and so you know,

1058
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 4: it is a it's a dangerous game.

1059
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: You're playing dicey proposition.

1060
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1061
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, well, Arnold the Brain Rostin allegedly ended up

1062
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: making about four hundred grand on the Fixed World Series. Yeah,

1063
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: which I know you want to know, Yes, seven point

1064
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: five million in twenty twenty five dollars. Most of the

1065
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: other gamblers weren't so lucky like Aba Tel his right

1066
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: hand man. He didn't make out sleepy Bill Burns. He

1067
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: lost it all in game three, right, So pretty much

1068
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: the only one who really cleaned up was Arnold.

1069
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: And Brain Roste you know the course with him.

1070
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: Why they call him the brain. Yes, the real losers,

1071
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 2: as you pointed out, are the players Joe Jackson's. He testifies,

1072
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: we were double crossed. He also testifies that before he

1073
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: agreed to speak with the grand jury, the other players

1074
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: are like, you, poor simp, go ahead and squawk. We're

1075
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: just gonna say you're a liar.

1076
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

1077
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: So he says that right, and then he started. He says,

1078
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: also Sweede Wristburg, he was the muscle for the cover up.

1079
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: He was like threatening all of us, and Joe Jackson

1080
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: tells the grand jury Risburg threatens to bump me off.

1081
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like murder, claims now right. And then when

1082
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: when he walks out of the Chicago courthouse, this disappointed

1083
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: kid comes up to shoeless Joe and he says, it's

1084
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: very famous quote in baseball history. But rather than me

1085
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: tell you about it, Elizabeth, I'd like you to close

1086
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: your eye, like you to picture it. It's early afternoon

1087
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: in Chicago, and you are right now standing among a

1088
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: small crowd. You were just running some errands, had to

1089
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: get your laundry, pick up something from the tayler. When

1090
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: you saw the crowd and asked what the deal was,

1091
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: someone told you that shoeless Joe Jackson's inside the courtroom

1092
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: testifying to a grand jury about the series fix. You

1093
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: aren't in a rush, but you are a baseball fans.

1094
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: You decide, I can get home a little later, I'll

1095
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: stick around and see what's what. It doesn't take long

1096
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: before the crowd gets excited. Someone closer to the courthouse

1097
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: turns and shouts he's coming out. Some local street kids

1098
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: push past you to get a clear view, unblocked by

1099
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: the much taller adults. The Chicago sports writers also muscle

1100
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: their way in close. You're sort of shunted off to

1101
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: the side, but you still have a clear view of

1102
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: the steps of the courthouse. And then you see him

1103
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: with your own eyes. Shoeless Joe steps out, moves through

1104
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: the door. He smooths a hat onto his head. He's

1105
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: buffeted by these big, burly bailiffs. They're there for his protection.

1106
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: After he spills what he knows to the grand jury.

1107
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: Everyone knows Chicago has a growing gangster problem. But at

1108
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: this point it's really too late. He's already said what

1109
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: he knows, no putting that genie back in the bottle.

1110
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: You watch the famous star of the Chicago White Sox

1111
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: as he draws close to the crowd waiting on the

1112
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: courthouse steps. Just before he can bound down the steps,

1113
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: one of the local street kids, pushing forward, stands just

1114
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: before Shoeless Joe. The kid looks up at his hero.

1115
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: No one knows what Shoeless Joe just said to the

1116
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: grand jury, so the kid asks what everyone's thinking. The

1117
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: street kid looks his hero in the eyes and utters

1118
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: the now famous words, it ain't so Joe, is it?

1119
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: Shoeless Joe Jackson's face falls, shame colors his eyes darker,

1120
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: but he doesn't break eye contact with the kid. Instead,

1121
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: he just says, yeah, kid, I'm afraid it is. The

1122
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: sports writers push Penn to stenopad and record the famous

1123
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: moment in baseball history. And you were there, Elizabeth, to

1124
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: see it all. Aren't you glad? You ran those errands?

1125
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 3: Amazing as I am.

1126
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So, now that the scandal is out in the open,

1127
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: it's been confirmed by the star of the team. It

1128
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: goes yeah, yah, it's official White Sox through the series.

1129
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: After that, Charles Kamiski sends a telegram to the now

1130
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: disgraced Black Sox players and in no uncertain terms, he

1131
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: tells them, you and each of you are hereby notified

1132
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: of your indefinite suspension as a member of the Chicago

1133
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: American League Baseball club. That's why the Chicago White Sox

1134
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: did not win the pennant in nineteen twenty, because he

1135
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: got rid of the team, and why they did not

1136
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: go back to the World Series based on the grand

1137
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: jury testimony. The next year, in nineteen twenty one, the

1138
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: eight disgraced ballplayers and a bunch of the gamblers involved

1139
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: in the fix are all put on trial for rigging

1140
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: the nineteen nineteen World Series. I'm talking like they're looking

1141
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: at five years in prison for evidence. The prosecution has

1142
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: a bunch of signed confessions for the trial, and yet

1143
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: somehow those signed confessions all disappear really years later. Chick

1144
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 2: Gandel says it was Arnold the braind Rosstein who made

1145
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 2: them disappear, of course, but no one knows for certain.

1146
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: What we do know is that by the nineteen twenties,

1147
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: the syndicate in Chicago had bought off judges, lawyers. They

1148
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: had cops and bayliffs on the payroll. That's the nineteen

1149
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: twenty Chicago we all know and love. Okay, maybe it's

1150
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: just me who loves it.

1151
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: But anyway, I love nineteen twenty Chicago. I love twenty

1152
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 4: twenty five.

1153
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: Same. I love Chicago same. Anyway. The trial lasts fifteen days.

1154
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: None of the players end up testifying, as Chick Gandal

1155
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: recalls it, upon advice of our attorneys, none of us testified,

1156
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: and without our testimony, state had no case. As a result,

1157
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: everyone on trial is acquitted. As Chick Gandal tells it,

1158
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: when the jury finally found us not guilty, there was

1159
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: loud cheering in the courtroom. The jurors even carried us,

1160
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 2: a few of us out on their shoulders. Oh what

1161
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: a scene. In fact, the judge was even seen to

1162
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: be smiling, like nobody wanted them to be guilty.

1163
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1164
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: So, now here's where the villain of the story comes

1165
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: in, in my opinion, Judge Kennesaw mountain Lands.

1166
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: Oh not Judge Kennisaw mountain Lands.

1167
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: As a former federal judge, he was a teddy Roosevelt guy.

1168
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: He would help bust the trust. So he gets named the

1169
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: first commissioner of baseball because everyone's like, oh, he'll do it.

1170
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 2: He's a hard nosed guy. He decides, oh yeah, watch,

1171
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: I'll be a total hard ass so to say the

1172
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: honor of baseball. He decides, you can't have fixed games.

1173
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: That's bad business. We can't have the suspicion of fixed games.

1174
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: So one of his first official actses he suspends the

1175
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: Black Sox from baseball for life. They're all banned. This

1176
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: is to scare any other player from ever trying to

1177
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 2: pull the same stunt. Sure, now America's pastime is saved.

1178
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: And yes, he may have been right and his actions

1179
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 2: may have saved baseball. I still don't like Judge Knissan

1180
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: mountain landis why, Elizabeth, great question you because as commissioner,

1181
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: he was also the man who kept baseball segregated. Yep.

1182
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 2: He banned Major League teams from playing against Negro League teams,

1183
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: even his exhibition games, because he feared that if they

1184
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: lost too often to black players, it would be an

1185
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: embarrassment to the white race. So Disney Dean and Daffy

1186
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: Dean's exhibition team can't go play Satchel page in Josh Gibson, right,

1187
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: because they get so. Yes, Judge canisaw Mountain Landis is

1188
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: no hero of mine, even if he saved baseball. And

1189
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: that Elizabeth is how the Chicago White Sox became the

1190
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: Black Sox's ridiculous takeaway here.

1191
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting when you're saying he saved baseball

1192
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: in that instance, but he almost didn't save it by

1193
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 4: keeping it segregated totally. You know, it saved baseball to

1194
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: bring everybody together to play.

1195
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: As a professional sport.

1196
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 4: Yes, well, and if we're going to call it America's pastime,

1197
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 4: you know, there's what I love about baseball is it's contemplative.

1198
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 3: And there are these really like thrilling times.

1199
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: No time limit, no time god.

1200
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: Well now they have like little clocks, but I mean, yeah,

1201
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 4: you don't know, and like just innings go until God

1202
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 4: knows when, which I think is fantastic. But also there's

1203
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 4: like you don't have to have special equipment to play it,

1204
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: you know, with a stick and the ball and like

1205
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: you know, and you can it can involve a bunch

1206
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 4: of different kids and and people can get together and play.

1207
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 4: You can just throw the ball back and forth. But

1208
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 4: it's something that uh connects a lot of people. And

1209
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 4: I mean you can look at other sports or like

1210
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 4: that soccer is like that each need a ball. There

1211
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 4: you go, any any of the kind of unifying sports

1212
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: I think are so important. And then then the notion

1213
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 4: that you have it come to the brink of destruction

1214
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 4: with greed, Yeah, which you know happens over and over again.

1215
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: You see it over and over, but then you know

1216
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 4: to save it, but then not want to save it

1217
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: again and it winds up, you know, getting saved by

1218
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: integrating the league's.

1219
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackie Robinson really saves baseball.

1220
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 4: Really does, really does and kind of helps save for

1221
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 4: the in some small way America, right, Like we have.

1222
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 3: To be saved from ourselves constantly, over and over and

1223
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: over again. What's your ridiculous takeaway?

1224
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: I got, Well one you reminded me of that baseball

1225
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 2: has no time limit. The guy who wrote the book

1226
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: Shoeless Joe, which became the movie Fielder Dreams, he has

1227
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: another book called the Iowa Baseball Confederacy. It's a beautiful

1228
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: book about if you like baseball. I read it when

1229
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: I was like a young man, like a teenager, and

1230
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: I loved it. He has his game. It takes place

1231
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 2: in Iowa. It's an exhibition game, and it just lasts forever.

1232
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: The game goes on for days because they never and

1233
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: it just keeps going and like your children are being born.

1234
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. But my actual ridiculous takeaway is this. It's

1235
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: a fun fact that I learned after he was banned

1236
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: from baseball. Do you know where chick Gandal went? Of

1237
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: course you don't. I didn't either. No one knows. But

1238
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: I learned that after chick Gamble moved here to Oakland

1239
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: every thirty five years, he worked as a plumber. So

1240
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: you may have known someone whose family once hired him

1241
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 2: to unclock their away. Wow, So there you go. Came

1242
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: all the way home. So you're in the mood for

1243
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: a talkback.

1244
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 3: I am always in the mood for a talk bog.

1245
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god.

1246
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 7: I went get hey, Elizabeth Zaron and producer d This

1247
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 7: is Brian from Saint Louis. I was listening to your

1248
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 7: latest episode earlier today and when you were discussing whether

1249
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 7: it was You've got another thing or another think coming,

1250
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 7: what I thought of was the Judas Priest song you've

1251
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 7: got another thing coming, which came out in nineteen eighty two.

1252
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 7: I don't know where if that's where the saying came from,

1253
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 7: but you never know. It's ridiculous either way, you guys,

1254
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 7: keep up the good work.

1255
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you.

1256
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 4: I think that's that is exactly what I always think of,

1257
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 4: and I think that's what makes me think it's another

1258
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 4: thing coming.

1259
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: But it's a much older saying you'll hear like the

1260
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: old thirty shorter forties movie.

1261
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 4: Rob Halford says, it's another thing. Okay, okay, biker boy,

1262
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 4: let's do this, and.

1263
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: Now for me, that is what it is. That is

1264
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: what it is. As always, you can find us online

1265
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 2: a Ridiculous Crime on social media mostly it's Instagram and

1266
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: Blue Sky and now we also also, by the way,

1267
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: on Instagram you can see the pictures of these stories

1268
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: we tell. We put up a bunch of great photos

1269
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: and images and also in the stories as well.

1270
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: Yes, and the posts.

1271
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: Now we have are also an account Ridiculous Crime Pod

1272
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: on YouTube, and there you can if you prefer listening

1273
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: to your podcast or YouTube, go there, enjoy it and

1274
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: please like, subscribe, leave a comment. We do love to

1275
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: hear from y'all. We have a website, Ridiculous Crime dot com.

1276
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: You can go there, get yourself some merch, and we

1277
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: obviously love your talkback, so please go to the iHeart app,

1278
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: download it, leave a talkback and maybe you get to

1279
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: hear your voice here. We'd love to hear it. Oh,

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Speaker 2: and you can email us if you want. If you

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Speaker 2: want to keep it old school, you go talk about

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Speaker 2: tap to tap, bebop, pop oop and send it off

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening and

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Speaker 2: we will catch you next crime. Ridiculous Crime is hosted

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Speaker 2: by Elizabeth Dutton and Zarin Burnett, produce and edited by

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Speaker 2: Arnold De Brain, Rostein's left hand man, Dave Kustin and

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Speaker 2: starring Annalys Rucker as Judith. Research is by og Brooklyn

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Speaker 2: Trolley Dodgers, Brissa Brown and Jabbari Davis. Our theme song

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Speaker 2: is by the Padre of San Diego Thomas Lee and

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Speaker 2: the former jose Canseaco Baseball Camp all star Travis Dutt.

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Speaker 2: Host wardrobe provided by Body five hundred, guest Haarn, makeup

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Speaker 2: by Sparkleshot and Mister Andre. Executive producers are Kid Gleason's

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Speaker 2: Drinking Buddies, Ben Bowen.

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Speaker 7: And No.

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Speaker 1: Ridicous Crime.

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Speaker 5: Say it one more time Ridiquious Crime.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. Four more podcasts

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