1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,577 --> 00:00:22,777 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody. Kurt Schlichter back in the mix. 5 00:00:23,057 --> 00:00:29,097 Speaker 3: Author, columnists, thinker, conservative commentator, veteran lawyer. He's got a 6 00:00:29,137 --> 00:00:31,537 Speaker 3: lot of titles, including the title of his new book, 7 00:00:31,857 --> 00:00:36,337 Speaker 3: American Apocalypse, which is available for pre order right now, 8 00:00:36,417 --> 00:00:38,857 Speaker 3: So get those pre orders going. Is a fiction book. 9 00:00:38,937 --> 00:00:41,217 Speaker 3: We'll talk about the book in a second. Let's first 10 00:00:41,217 --> 00:00:44,457 Speaker 3: talk about this, mister Kirk. So we got people. You're 11 00:00:44,497 --> 00:00:47,297 Speaker 3: a lawyer, so that comes in handy here. People are 12 00:00:47,337 --> 00:00:52,857 Speaker 3: pleading the Fifth when asked about Biden's mental state and 13 00:00:52,897 --> 00:00:58,977 Speaker 3: the possibility of conspiracy to keep that from the American people. 14 00:00:59,057 --> 00:01:00,057 Speaker 3: What do you make of it? 15 00:01:01,537 --> 00:01:05,137 Speaker 1: Well, I know why they're doing it, and they may 16 00:01:05,217 --> 00:01:07,537 Speaker 1: be allowed to do it if there's a crime involved, 17 00:01:07,537 --> 00:01:10,617 Speaker 1: and there may be a crime. You know, the Fifth 18 00:01:10,617 --> 00:01:15,297 Speaker 1: Amendment applies to it when when we use it, it's 19 00:01:15,337 --> 00:01:18,497 Speaker 1: often to avoid being railroaded. When they use it, it's 20 00:01:18,497 --> 00:01:23,097 Speaker 1: often to avoid accountability, which which it does. I mean, 21 00:01:23,657 --> 00:01:28,057 Speaker 1: this doctor also invented a physician patient privilege that doesn't 22 00:01:28,097 --> 00:01:32,337 Speaker 1: exist under federal law. So that's out. But there's an 23 00:01:32,337 --> 00:01:34,857 Speaker 1: easy way to get the doctor's testimony, which is to 24 00:01:34,977 --> 00:01:38,417 Speaker 1: pardon the doctor for any alleged crimes that might be 25 00:01:38,497 --> 00:01:42,857 Speaker 1: associated with his treatment or care of Joe Biden. 26 00:01:43,537 --> 00:01:45,417 Speaker 3: What do you think the crimes? Do you have any 27 00:01:45,497 --> 00:01:47,257 Speaker 3: sense of what the crime could be? 28 00:01:48,377 --> 00:01:54,297 Speaker 1: I don't. One of the problems which the left has 29 00:01:54,337 --> 00:01:58,577 Speaker 1: created is creative use of statutes to turn things that 30 00:01:58,697 --> 00:02:03,857 Speaker 1: normal people wouldn't see as crimes into crimes, which makes 31 00:02:04,697 --> 00:02:08,017 Speaker 1: which gives people a lot of leeway when they're asserting 32 00:02:08,697 --> 00:02:15,577 Speaker 1: potential self incrimination. So you know, he's like, well, I'm 33 00:02:15,617 --> 00:02:17,977 Speaker 1: not exactly sure what they charged me for because it 34 00:02:18,017 --> 00:02:20,777 Speaker 1: would all be nonsense, but they might charge me. So 35 00:02:20,857 --> 00:02:24,457 Speaker 1: anything I say could incriminate tend to incriminate me. Uh 36 00:02:24,497 --> 00:02:26,937 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say anything. And and and 37 00:02:27,017 --> 00:02:28,897 Speaker 1: I I think he has a good chance of getting 38 00:02:28,897 --> 00:02:29,497 Speaker 1: away with that. 39 00:02:29,777 --> 00:02:31,017 Speaker 3: I was gonna say if you were if you were 40 00:02:31,057 --> 00:02:33,977 Speaker 3: his attorney, So if you were the console. 41 00:02:33,817 --> 00:02:35,497 Speaker 1: He'd be doing, That's that's what he'd be doing. 42 00:02:35,737 --> 00:02:37,537 Speaker 2: He'd be taking totally right. 43 00:02:37,537 --> 00:02:41,897 Speaker 3: I mean, this is absolutely Yeah, there's no upside, especially 44 00:02:42,017 --> 00:02:45,457 Speaker 3: if it's his attorney. Yeah, yeah, of course, because because 45 00:02:45,457 --> 00:02:48,097 Speaker 3: there's no upside in talking about any of this, And 46 00:02:48,177 --> 00:02:51,057 Speaker 3: people say, oh, what about the reputational damage we all 47 00:02:51,097 --> 00:02:52,937 Speaker 3: know they knew Biden had to mentioned, like there's nothing, 48 00:02:53,777 --> 00:02:56,417 Speaker 3: there's there's not manne some Oh my gosh, you mean 49 00:02:56,457 --> 00:02:59,377 Speaker 3: you guys were dishonest about the Biden dementia situation in 50 00:02:59,417 --> 00:03:01,497 Speaker 3: the White House, Like no, we know, we already know. 51 00:03:01,577 --> 00:03:05,417 Speaker 1: Yeah, the SS reputation has pulled out a port and 52 00:03:05,457 --> 00:03:08,057 Speaker 1: set sale. Let's put it that way. I mean, we 53 00:03:08,097 --> 00:03:10,097 Speaker 1: all know what this guy did. We all knew I 54 00:03:10,297 --> 00:03:12,897 Speaker 1: was covering up. Uh, they'd like to get him on 55 00:03:12,937 --> 00:03:14,937 Speaker 1: the record about it, and if they want to be sneaky, 56 00:03:14,937 --> 00:03:17,497 Speaker 1: they can, you know, get Trump to issue a pardon 57 00:03:17,537 --> 00:03:21,097 Speaker 1: for anything he did involving the Joe Biden's care treatment 58 00:03:21,257 --> 00:03:26,177 Speaker 1: or administration. And then you've got a incriminate Then you 59 00:03:26,217 --> 00:03:30,337 Speaker 1: have a Fifth Amendment problem. So we'll, uh, well we'll 60 00:03:30,337 --> 00:03:31,097 Speaker 1: see what happens. 61 00:03:31,697 --> 00:03:35,177 Speaker 3: M Now, something else I'll ask you about I'm seeing, 62 00:03:35,657 --> 00:03:37,817 Speaker 3: Uh what I what I don't want to do is 63 00:03:37,857 --> 00:03:43,817 Speaker 3: get into a a twenty twenty years of Epstein conspiracy 64 00:03:43,897 --> 00:03:46,857 Speaker 3: conversation like this is this is everywhere now I know, 65 00:03:46,937 --> 00:03:47,137 Speaker 3: I know. 66 00:03:47,657 --> 00:03:49,057 Speaker 2: So we're gonna skip past. 67 00:03:48,857 --> 00:03:52,217 Speaker 3: The all the there's all the stuff, and there's all 68 00:03:52,257 --> 00:03:53,337 Speaker 3: the theories, and there's all this. 69 00:03:53,537 --> 00:03:54,617 Speaker 2: Already cover this on the show. 70 00:03:54,657 --> 00:03:56,977 Speaker 3: I can already the comments. I can, I can pre 71 00:03:57,617 --> 00:04:00,537 Speaker 3: ce in my mind. They're just like, he's paid off, 72 00:04:00,537 --> 00:04:03,297 Speaker 3: He's I've talked about this all I've been talking about 73 00:04:03,337 --> 00:04:04,737 Speaker 3: this much longer than a. 74 00:04:04,697 --> 00:04:05,457 Speaker 2: Lot of other people. 75 00:04:05,777 --> 00:04:07,777 Speaker 3: I was the one who told everybody on the Sean 76 00:04:07,897 --> 00:04:10,577 Speaker 3: Ryan Show, which obviously blew up everywhere because a freaking 77 00:04:10,657 --> 00:04:14,777 Speaker 3: huge show about the twenty nineteen raid. The FBI is like, Oh, 78 00:04:14,817 --> 00:04:17,057 Speaker 3: we have the tapes. We're gonna leave the tapes, and 79 00:04:17,097 --> 00:04:19,217 Speaker 3: we're gonna leave the house and the tapes are gone 80 00:04:19,217 --> 00:04:20,897 Speaker 3: and we come back. You know, I told people this. 81 00:04:20,937 --> 00:04:22,817 Speaker 3: Didn't even believe anyway. I don't want to get too 82 00:04:22,897 --> 00:04:25,497 Speaker 3: too deep into this now. What I do want to ask, though, 83 00:04:25,777 --> 00:04:28,657 Speaker 3: is I'm seeing that there's like the online chirping. I 84 00:04:28,657 --> 00:04:32,257 Speaker 3: don't know if it's real about a special counsel. And 85 00:04:32,297 --> 00:04:33,697 Speaker 3: to me, I just look at this and I go, 86 00:04:34,657 --> 00:04:34,937 Speaker 3: that's it. 87 00:04:35,057 --> 00:04:37,057 Speaker 2: That's it. Even that's a terrible idea. 88 00:04:37,337 --> 00:04:41,337 Speaker 1: It's an awful idea. Let's let this thing die out. Look, 89 00:04:41,577 --> 00:04:43,697 Speaker 1: here's the thing We're all like, well, we want the 90 00:04:43,697 --> 00:04:46,737 Speaker 1: truth about Epstein. Okay, how would you get that? Well, 91 00:04:46,817 --> 00:04:50,577 Speaker 1: I would send people I absolutely trust into review everything, 92 00:04:50,617 --> 00:04:53,577 Speaker 1: because obviously everything can't come out because innocent people might 93 00:04:53,577 --> 00:04:56,777 Speaker 1: be involved. They're innocent victims. You you can't, you know, 94 00:04:56,897 --> 00:05:00,497 Speaker 1: display child gross tapes. Yea, yeah, of course that's what 95 00:05:01,297 --> 00:05:04,817 Speaker 1: we send people who are absolutely trustworthy in to see 96 00:05:04,817 --> 00:05:06,857 Speaker 1: what there is, and then they come and report to us. 97 00:05:07,097 --> 00:05:10,497 Speaker 1: And we did that, and you know, Dan b Geno 98 00:05:10,617 --> 00:05:12,737 Speaker 1: at All comes out and says, okay, I've looked at 99 00:05:12,737 --> 00:05:15,977 Speaker 1: it and I was rather there was nothing there. And 100 00:05:16,017 --> 00:05:21,137 Speaker 1: people are like, well they've turned Dan Bongino. Okay, you're 101 00:05:21,137 --> 00:05:25,577 Speaker 1: not going to turn Dan Bongino. You know, sometimes you've 102 00:05:25,617 --> 00:05:29,017 Speaker 1: got to take yes for an answer. Is there is 103 00:05:29,097 --> 00:05:31,217 Speaker 1: there more there? I've looked for it, I can't find it. 104 00:05:31,257 --> 00:05:32,737 Speaker 1: Maybe it was there and now it's gone. 105 00:05:33,977 --> 00:05:37,297 Speaker 3: Is my thing about about the the JFK files, which 106 00:05:37,337 --> 00:05:39,897 Speaker 3: I know it's different, but it's also gotten, which is 107 00:05:39,977 --> 00:05:42,337 Speaker 3: there's nothing you can release from the JFK files that 108 00:05:42,377 --> 00:05:44,337 Speaker 3: will make the people who believe there's more in the 109 00:05:44,417 --> 00:05:50,577 Speaker 3: JFK files believe that they've gotten all the JFK files exactly. 110 00:05:50,617 --> 00:05:54,137 Speaker 1: And again I'm not criticizing people who are suspicious or 111 00:05:54,217 --> 00:05:57,417 Speaker 1: upset or annoise because they've been handled. 112 00:05:57,617 --> 00:05:59,257 Speaker 3: Yeah, people have been lied to. This whole thing's been 113 00:05:59,297 --> 00:06:05,817 Speaker 3: handled horribly. There there were clearly at some level. You're like, okay, 114 00:06:05,897 --> 00:06:11,217 Speaker 3: So if the DOJ wasn't being pushed by like the 115 00:06:11,217 --> 00:06:14,537 Speaker 3: cabal or some foreign intelligence service or whatever, it's really 116 00:06:14,537 --> 00:06:17,017 Speaker 3: this incompetent that they could let Epstein get away with 117 00:06:17,057 --> 00:06:17,937 Speaker 3: this as long as they did. 118 00:06:19,017 --> 00:06:22,617 Speaker 2: That's horrifying on horrifying in a whole different way, right, horrifying. 119 00:06:24,097 --> 00:06:27,297 Speaker 1: I just asked myself, do you think Dan Bongino is 120 00:06:27,337 --> 00:06:29,177 Speaker 1: going to go in there and lie to cover up 121 00:06:29,217 --> 00:06:33,457 Speaker 1: to protect Epstein? I think that is less likely, more 122 00:06:33,617 --> 00:06:37,017 Speaker 1: likely not true than true. Do you think that Epstein 123 00:06:37,097 --> 00:06:39,497 Speaker 1: is going to sit down and have a notarized list 124 00:06:39,897 --> 00:06:43,417 Speaker 1: of in his own handwriting, of all the people in 125 00:06:43,417 --> 00:06:47,337 Speaker 1: their various perversions. I think they probably hasn't. Do you 126 00:06:47,417 --> 00:06:50,817 Speaker 1: think that if Donald Trump's name was on any of 127 00:06:50,857 --> 00:06:52,977 Speaker 1: that stuff, it wouldn't have been on the front page 128 00:06:52,977 --> 00:06:56,297 Speaker 1: of the New York Times and probably twenty sixteen. 129 00:06:57,137 --> 00:07:00,657 Speaker 2: Now you know, I'm. 130 00:07:00,497 --> 00:07:04,057 Speaker 1: Still a lawyer. Technically I have to go where the 131 00:07:04,057 --> 00:07:06,897 Speaker 1: evidence takes me, and the evidence says this is a 132 00:07:06,977 --> 00:07:09,897 Speaker 1: very bad guy who did a lot of very bad things. 133 00:07:10,137 --> 00:07:12,777 Speaker 1: But the idea that he was some sort of Stavros 134 00:07:12,857 --> 00:07:18,977 Speaker 1: Blowfeld of a child molesting, we had this giant network 135 00:07:19,577 --> 00:07:26,217 Speaker 1: of connected people. I don't see the evidence of it. 136 00:07:26,777 --> 00:07:29,017 Speaker 1: I'm not against seeing the evidence. If it was there, 137 00:07:29,097 --> 00:07:29,457 Speaker 1: i'd be. 138 00:07:31,017 --> 00:07:33,617 Speaker 3: The other thing that I brought up, see where I 139 00:07:33,657 --> 00:07:35,457 Speaker 3: was just trying to talk about the special Council idea, 140 00:07:35,497 --> 00:07:37,177 Speaker 3: But here we are talking about the you know, we're 141 00:07:37,177 --> 00:07:40,777 Speaker 3: going down the Epstein rabbit hole, but a hole that 142 00:07:40,817 --> 00:07:43,017 Speaker 3: when when someone has done something that would be very 143 00:07:43,097 --> 00:07:46,377 Speaker 3: high profile, and we're rather involving very high profile, very 144 00:07:46,417 --> 00:07:49,417 Speaker 3: powerful people a long time ago, that would rely on 145 00:07:49,657 --> 00:07:51,657 Speaker 3: very very clear evidence. But the thing about this as 146 00:07:51,697 --> 00:07:53,737 Speaker 3: well is the kind of crimes that people are talking 147 00:07:53,777 --> 00:07:58,257 Speaker 3: about here. If you bring that charge against somebody, even 148 00:07:58,297 --> 00:08:01,697 Speaker 3: their life is probably ruined, whether they're you know, and 149 00:08:01,737 --> 00:08:03,817 Speaker 3: they could be innocent, right, I mean, like you're done, 150 00:08:03,937 --> 00:08:06,777 Speaker 3: So you've got to be damn sure about it. A 151 00:08:06,777 --> 00:08:09,817 Speaker 3: lot of that evidence may have long since been destroyed, 152 00:08:10,057 --> 00:08:13,777 Speaker 3: guarded all of the above, and I don't think that 153 00:08:13,777 --> 00:08:16,537 Speaker 3: that's I don't think that that's somebody being naive or 154 00:08:16,577 --> 00:08:18,737 Speaker 3: anything else. Like if that stuff was out there and 155 00:08:18,737 --> 00:08:21,017 Speaker 3: people say things like there's a foreign intelligence service or 156 00:08:21,057 --> 00:08:24,577 Speaker 3: that this was somehow, you know, a deep state cabal, 157 00:08:24,697 --> 00:08:27,297 Speaker 3: whatever it is, they're not going to leave that stuff around. 158 00:08:27,577 --> 00:08:29,697 Speaker 3: They would know where it is and they would have 159 00:08:29,697 --> 00:08:31,897 Speaker 3: cleaned this up a long time ago. So I think 160 00:08:31,937 --> 00:08:34,777 Speaker 3: that that's a fair point to make in all this 161 00:08:34,897 --> 00:08:38,297 Speaker 3: that what Dan and Cash and Bondy have access to 162 00:08:38,457 --> 00:08:41,857 Speaker 3: now very well may not be for a variety of 163 00:08:41,857 --> 00:08:42,737 Speaker 3: reasons rue. 164 00:08:42,857 --> 00:08:45,377 Speaker 2: The totality of what existed. 165 00:08:45,537 --> 00:08:48,377 Speaker 3: So anyway, but see, we're getting a special counsel that 166 00:08:48,617 --> 00:08:51,297 Speaker 3: I just put this out to you. Also, I also 167 00:08:51,337 --> 00:08:54,057 Speaker 3: as terrible idea, and it's because you do a special 168 00:08:54,057 --> 00:08:56,337 Speaker 3: counsel when you can't trust your own DOJ because of 169 00:08:56,337 --> 00:08:59,937 Speaker 3: a conflict of interest to do the to do the 170 00:08:59,937 --> 00:09:03,737 Speaker 3: the investigating. And so that would be the Trump administration 171 00:09:03,817 --> 00:09:06,297 Speaker 3: saying I can't trust my DOJ. We have a conflict 172 00:09:06,337 --> 00:09:08,737 Speaker 3: of interest therefore, but it's a horrible idea. 173 00:09:08,897 --> 00:09:11,057 Speaker 2: Do I have to call these in influencers on the phone, 174 00:09:11,057 --> 00:09:11,777 Speaker 2: who are friends of. 175 00:09:11,697 --> 00:09:14,417 Speaker 3: My influencers whatever we call them, like the US and 176 00:09:14,497 --> 00:09:16,497 Speaker 3: the me's out there like the guys like us who 177 00:09:16,497 --> 00:09:18,337 Speaker 3: are talking about this stuff in public and say, guys, 178 00:09:18,457 --> 00:09:20,857 Speaker 3: special counsel, horrible idea, Stop. 179 00:09:20,657 --> 00:09:26,657 Speaker 1: Talking terrible it's it's a terrible idea. 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All right, So the book American 208 00:11:00,817 --> 00:11:03,577 Speaker 3: Apocalypse doesn't sound like it's a children's tale, so we 209 00:11:03,617 --> 00:11:05,857 Speaker 3: got to keep it not for the kids. That sounds 210 00:11:05,857 --> 00:11:08,897 Speaker 3: a little a little sad, little little tough. Tell me 211 00:11:08,937 --> 00:11:09,977 Speaker 3: about it, though, what's going on? 212 00:11:10,577 --> 00:11:14,417 Speaker 1: Well? American Apocalypse the Second American Civil War is a 213 00:11:14,457 --> 00:11:18,497 Speaker 1: book I wrote because I'm worried we have a status 214 00:11:18,577 --> 00:11:22,297 Speaker 1: quo right now where half of America, the left half, 215 00:11:22,457 --> 00:11:25,017 Speaker 1: doesn't believe that the right half has a legitimacy to 216 00:11:25,057 --> 00:11:27,777 Speaker 1: govern even when it where it wins full and fair 217 00:11:27,817 --> 00:11:34,577 Speaker 1: elections for the presidency, for Congress every you know, Buck, 218 00:11:35,417 --> 00:11:37,697 Speaker 1: it's not that they just disagree with us, it's that 219 00:11:37,777 --> 00:11:40,897 Speaker 1: they think we're actively evil. When you're telling when you're 220 00:11:40,937 --> 00:11:44,297 Speaker 1: saying Trump is literally Hitler, and they are literally saying 221 00:11:44,297 --> 00:11:47,097 Speaker 1: Trump is literally Hitler, where do you go from that? 222 00:11:47,217 --> 00:11:51,377 Speaker 1: It kind of implies that the normal rules don't apply, 223 00:11:51,577 --> 00:11:54,537 Speaker 1: and the normal rules haven't applied. The norms, the guidelines, 224 00:11:54,537 --> 00:11:59,537 Speaker 1: they're all gone, and they you know, we're to the 225 00:11:59,577 --> 00:12:03,097 Speaker 1: point where we can't rely on political procedures and the 226 00:12:03,217 --> 00:12:05,697 Speaker 1: law the way we used to be able to. We 227 00:12:05,777 --> 00:12:08,577 Speaker 1: used to be able to go into court and basically think, well, 228 00:12:08,937 --> 00:12:11,297 Speaker 1: you know, if we're right, even if the judge doesn't 229 00:12:11,337 --> 00:12:14,337 Speaker 1: agree with us, we're going to be able to enforce 230 00:12:14,417 --> 00:12:18,977 Speaker 1: the laws. That's not happening. And when you have a 231 00:12:19,137 --> 00:12:22,577 Speaker 1: society that isn't run by laws and isn't run by 232 00:12:22,577 --> 00:12:28,177 Speaker 1: political procedures, what's left to run it force? And we 233 00:12:28,257 --> 00:12:31,417 Speaker 1: are seeing force used by them, force against ice agents. 234 00:12:31,657 --> 00:12:35,617 Speaker 1: We're seeing Palaesimpians murder people. They just murdered a couple 235 00:12:35,697 --> 00:12:39,457 Speaker 1: people this weekend. We're seeing more and more violence, more 236 00:12:39,497 --> 00:12:43,177 Speaker 1: and more threats. We had a low grade insurgency in 237 00:12:43,217 --> 00:12:46,177 Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies with the weather underground and the 238 00:12:46,217 --> 00:12:49,377 Speaker 1: simulineous Liberation Army with the LAPD and you had to 239 00:12:49,417 --> 00:12:53,457 Speaker 1: take care of Unfortunately the FBI didn't. Bill Airs is 240 00:12:53,537 --> 00:12:57,497 Speaker 1: still a prominent member of academia instead of rotting in Florence, 241 00:12:57,537 --> 00:13:03,017 Speaker 1: Colorado's Supermax. But you know, could it be worse? And 242 00:13:03,057 --> 00:13:06,297 Speaker 1: this book is the worst case scenario. This shows how 243 00:13:06,337 --> 00:13:10,257 Speaker 1: a combination of arrogance, corruption, stupidity, and a failure or 244 00:13:10,257 --> 00:13:15,857 Speaker 1: to honor norms and rules could spin completely out of 245 00:13:15,857 --> 00:13:20,537 Speaker 1: control into a real nightmare. And this novel is about 246 00:13:20,537 --> 00:13:21,177 Speaker 1: that nightmare. 247 00:13:22,417 --> 00:13:24,697 Speaker 3: Go get your copy, or get your at least your 248 00:13:24,697 --> 00:13:27,057 Speaker 3: pre order in for your copy at Amazon and wherever 249 00:13:27,137 --> 00:13:27,737 Speaker 3: books are sold. 250 00:13:29,257 --> 00:13:32,537 Speaker 1: Well, Amazon is where you go to get it. And 251 00:13:33,417 --> 00:13:35,577 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you and again it's it's not a 252 00:13:35,617 --> 00:13:39,697 Speaker 1: complete death march. There are some trademark schlicker amusing moments. 253 00:13:39,737 --> 00:13:42,297 Speaker 1: I think there may be a Buck sex There may 254 00:13:42,297 --> 00:13:44,017 Speaker 1: be a Buck Sexton cameo in there. 255 00:13:44,897 --> 00:13:45,577 Speaker 2: Fantastic. 256 00:13:45,617 --> 00:13:48,337 Speaker 3: I mean you need a You need a former CIA 257 00:13:48,417 --> 00:13:50,297 Speaker 3: analyst with a great head of hair and a cynical 258 00:13:50,337 --> 00:13:52,857 Speaker 3: attitude about life in whatever your novel. 259 00:13:52,577 --> 00:13:56,337 Speaker 1: May be, who also has the greatest porno name. I've 260 00:13:56,377 --> 00:14:02,977 Speaker 1: ever heard, but it's a burden you live with. But 261 00:14:03,217 --> 00:14:05,097 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't write this to be miserable, and 262 00:14:05,137 --> 00:14:07,217 Speaker 1: I didn't write it as nonfiction. I wrote it as 263 00:14:07,297 --> 00:14:10,457 Speaker 1: fiction because I wanted to tell stories of regular folks 264 00:14:10,457 --> 00:14:13,137 Speaker 1: that we can identify with, so we can see why 265 00:14:13,137 --> 00:14:15,977 Speaker 1: it's so important that we get back to the Constitution 266 00:14:16,937 --> 00:14:20,177 Speaker 1: rather than kind of solving our problems by beating each 267 00:14:20,217 --> 00:14:22,897 Speaker 1: other over the head. And if it ever got to that, 268 00:14:23,017 --> 00:14:26,617 Speaker 1: it would be horrifying. And there's a lot of It's 269 00:14:26,617 --> 00:14:29,097 Speaker 1: a tough book, like the Attack was a tough book. 270 00:14:29,457 --> 00:14:32,897 Speaker 1: My previous one hat a terrorist incident. This is a 271 00:14:33,017 --> 00:14:37,697 Speaker 1: tough book, and there are some lighter moments. But if 272 00:14:37,697 --> 00:14:40,017 Speaker 1: you come out of this going, oh boy, it'd be 273 00:14:40,057 --> 00:14:42,457 Speaker 1: great to take that other side and just beat the 274 00:14:42,457 --> 00:14:44,697 Speaker 1: hell out of them and then everything will be great. 275 00:14:45,337 --> 00:14:48,137 Speaker 3: No, no, all right, go get your copy on Amazon. 276 00:14:48,537 --> 00:14:49,937 Speaker 2: Kurch Lichter, thank you so much. 277 00:14:50,417 --> 00:14:51,417 Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me.