1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hi, it's Katie. Welcome to Wellness. Check our series of 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: some of our favorite Next Question episodes focused on women's 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: health and wellness. Enjoy. Hey everybody, I'm Kittie Kuric and 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: this is Next Question. So I've written this memoir. It's 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: out in just a few weeks, and as you might imagine, 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: the process has really forced me to put my life 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: in perspective. What I've realized is that when I look 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: back at all of it, there's one moment that stands 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: out as the thing I'm most proud of, and that 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: is I have a pretty little colon. That's right showing 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: the inside of my colon on morning television. But you 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: have put the scope in yet? 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really. 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, good correct sign. 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: We're doing it. We're almost done. You're going to feel 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: at Pramler and. 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: How there is a lot I've done in the fight 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: against colorectal cancer, the number two cancer killer of men 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: and women combined. I've raised hundreds of thousands of dollars. 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: Yam established the monahand Center, a comprehensive gastro intestinal cancer 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: center at New York Presbyterian Hospital where my husband Jay 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: was treated, and co founded stand up to cancer. But 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: when I filmed my first kolonoscoby and aired it on 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: the Today Show, that up close and personal view of 25 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: my insides had an almost immediate impact. It prompted a 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: lot of people to call their doctors and get screened. 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: In fact, there was actually a study done on it. 28 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: The University of Michigan found a twenty percent increase in 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: colonoscopies as a result of my segment. They actually called it, yes, 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: the current effect. 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: It's sharing the news, it's sharing the information so it 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: doesn't happen to other people and they catch it. 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,919 Speaker 1: Senator Amy Klovichar knows when I'm talking about. In early September, 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Democrat revealed that back in February, she was 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: diagnosed with stage one breast cancer. She had a lumpectomy 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: to remove the cancer and then radiation. By August, her 37 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: doctor said her treatment had gone well. But now she's 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: on a mission to share her story and how it 39 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: could have easily gone another way. 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: It's been so just amazing to hear all the stories 41 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: that people have written me. They called, I'm sure you 42 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: had this when you went on the show and you 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: did the colonoscopy and you made very clear that everyone 44 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: should do this. You shocked people into thinking differently about it, 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: and so the stories of people getting their exams going 46 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 2: in has been incredibly. 47 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: Rewarding, made it all worth it. 48 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: And I'm wearing pink today to remind everyone Breast Cancer Month, 49 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: go in, get your screening. 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: Breast cancer is the most common form of cancer among women. 51 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: In fact, every year more than two hundred and fifty 52 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: thousand women are diagnosed in the US, and like so 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: many cancers, holy detection can be life saving. But with 54 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: the pandemic, there's been an alarming drop in breast cancer 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: screenings down eighty seven percent. That's right, eighty seven percent 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: compared to pre pandemic numbers. For Senator Klobachar, that statistic 57 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: isn't all that surprising. 58 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: Like so many women, Katie, I put it off. I 59 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: put it off through the pandemic, and at first that 60 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: made sense, right because they didn't have there were a 61 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: lot of routine things weren't going on. But after a 62 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: while there was really no excuse except that I kind 63 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: of just put it off. And then when I went 64 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: in and got this routine mammogram is when I found 65 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: out that I had stage one a breast cancer. And 66 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: I got that call, and you know, from your own 67 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: life and you've been such a tremendous warrior to let 68 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: people know how important screenings are after losing your husband 69 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: and the whole story, it was unbelievable. And by the way, 70 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: I thought about that a few times as this was 71 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: going on. I then got that call and they said, 72 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: you know those white spots that we saw, it's actually cancer. 73 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: And then I immediately. 74 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: Started talking to different doctors, made a plan, got a 75 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: lump tectomy a few months later, got the radiation two 76 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: days after my dad died because of the Senate schedule. 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: It was so hard to figure this all out, but 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: I got the treatment in a timely manner, which was 79 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: really good. 80 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: But the exam I put off. 81 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: And that's when I found out that, you know, one 82 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: out of three women are one out of three people 83 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: put off exams, routine exams during the pandemic, still putting 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: them off, And a whole bunch of women are walking 85 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: around right now with undetected breast cancer, which is really scary. 86 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: And so I've tried to. 87 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: Using you as a model, Katie, I've tried to really 88 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: talk about this in that way to remind nine people 89 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: how you can save lives just by finding things out early. 90 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: And I was on the cusp. 91 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I found it out, but I should have 92 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: gone in a year earlier. 93 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: That's so true, Senator Clovich are and such an important 94 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: message because so many people will lose their battles because 95 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: they did weren't the beneficiaries of early detection. And that 96 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: is such a critically important message to get out. The 97 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: earlier things are found, the easier they are to treat. 98 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really as simple as that. 99 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: They say, my chances of getting it again are just 100 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: like the general population. I think that's the miraculous nature 101 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: of the treatments right now. One they can tailor them 102 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: depending on what stage it is and if you need 103 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: chemo or mas sectomy and the like. And I bet 104 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: the earlier they catch it, the better you are, as 105 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: you just said, And so I feel really good about 106 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: the diagnosis. But a few things during that time that 107 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 2: I realized. One, I was so grateful to my family, 108 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: so much gratitude because I actually decided I wasn't going 109 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: to disclose everything at that moment because my dad was 110 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: dying and I wanted a lot of the focus on him. 111 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: We had the investigation of the insurrection at the Capitol 112 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: and I was in charge. 113 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: Of that with three other senators. 114 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: I was in charge of the hearings on the election bill, 115 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: and there was just a lot going on and I. 116 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: Didn't want it to be about that about me. 117 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: At that moment, I knew I was going to make 118 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: a public and so I waited till the end of 119 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: the summer and did it then. 120 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 3: And that worked out for me. But when people. 121 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: Public officials are not when it starts to be a 122 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: situation where they can't go to work, of course they're 123 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: going to explain it. 124 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: But I was able to work it around that and 125 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 3: not do it. 126 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 2: But so even more so, I was so grateful to 127 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: my family because they were like my husband getting up 128 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: at four am to take me to radiation days in 129 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: a row. The of course, the doctors and versus the 130 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: perfect strangers who didn't know that I had a lump 131 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: tech to me and I wasn't supposed to lift my 132 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: luggage up. 133 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: When I flew back. 134 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: And forth between Minnesota, DC, I just stand there looking 135 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: for Lauren and they'd be like, can I help you? 136 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: And so you know, there were a lot of. 137 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: Nice things and moments I remember of people helping me out, 138 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: even when they didn't know they were doing it. 139 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: But you know, thinking about what was happening in your life, 140 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: your sweet dad dying. Jim Klobuchar, of course, a newspaper columnist, 141 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: and I know you all were very, very close. It 142 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: sounds like you have the kind of relationship with your 143 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: dad that I had with my dad, which I write 144 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: a lot about. But you know, I think about all 145 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: these stressors going on at once, and honestly, my heart 146 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: is racing a little bit just thinking about how you 147 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: were able to manage everything coming at you at once. 148 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: How were you able to manage all that well. 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: I always remember John McCain's last words to me, or 150 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: the last thing he pointed to. I visited him at 151 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: his ranch when he was dying and with Cindy, my husband, 152 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: and he couldn't really talk very much, and he pointed 153 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: to a word from his last book of phrase where 154 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: he said, there's nothing more liberating than fighting for a 155 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: cause larger than yourself. 156 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: And for me, the work that I was. 157 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: Doing at that moment, the combination of that investigation, which 158 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: was focused on the security at the Capitol, now there's 159 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: a bigger one going on of course about the root 160 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: causes and everything that happened, which needs to be investigated 161 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: over in the House. But that and then that election 162 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: bill going on at the same time that we had 163 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: to get through the committee. We had to get agreement 164 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: with Center Mansion, which we did over the summer. Now 165 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 2: we have the process in front of us. But that 166 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: was a cause larger than anything happening to me. 167 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: So that was a lot of it. 168 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: And then, as you said, my dad, he had this 169 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: incredible life. He did everything from you ride his bicycle 170 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: around Lake Superior, too, covering the Mafia funeral in Italy, 171 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: to writing twenty three books to climbing the second highest 172 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: mountain in Peru. I mean, he just had this incredible 173 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: life and he had Alzheimer's, so it was this long 174 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: goodbye and being there was important with someone with Alzheimer's, 175 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: which we couldn't do the year because of pandemic, but 176 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: being there at the end was important because you don't 177 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: always know when someone with Alzheimer's is going to start 178 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 2: talking again or remember certain things, which he often did sporadically. 179 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: And the funniest part of some of the women who 180 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: worked at the assisted living who loved him so much. 181 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: They were I think Liberian, and they were. 182 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: Learning English, and they had a dictionary next to his 183 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: bed because he kept using so many new words for 184 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: them and long words as they would look them up 185 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: up and learn them. 186 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: So it was kind of cool. Leaves teaching to the end. 187 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: When we come back, I get curious about Capitol Hill, 188 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: big Tech, the January sixth insurrection, and yes, even the 189 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election. More with Senator Amy klovichark right 190 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: after this. I'd love to ask you about a couple 191 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: of the things you mentioned, because obviously I'm watching this 192 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: investigation into January sixth unfold people refusing to testify. Do 193 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: you think we're ever going to get to the bottom 194 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: of what exactly happened? And additionally, do you think people 195 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: will ever take it as seriously or certain segments of 196 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: the population will take it as seriously as you believe 197 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: they need to. 198 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: That depends on the next are in some of my 199 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: colleagues in the Republican Party. You know, Liz Cheney has 200 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: really stood up and said, we are a democracy. We 201 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: may have disagreements, but we are a democracy, and many 202 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: of them haven't said that, And I think as leaders, 203 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: more and more people need to do that. Everyone knows 204 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: what happened that day of the insurrection, and in fact, 205 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: that night it was really quite cathartic. While a few 206 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: people voted against the results of the electoral college, that 207 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: was a very small number. In the Senate, over ninety 208 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 2: percent of them supported the electoral college results, and then 209 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: included some very conservative Republicans. That was a moment the 210 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 2: speeches people gave, some of them who had been thinking otherwise, 211 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: who had switched their minds and switched their votes after 212 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: what they'd seen that day. And I thought, probably naively, 213 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: and especially as we got through the inauguration on that 214 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: beautiful blue sky and everyone there and every leader or 215 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: the Republican Party from Mike Pence to Bush to Quail 216 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: except and all of the congressional leadership was there with 217 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: the Democrats, except of course Donald Trump. That I thought 218 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: that we're going to move on, and that just isn't happening. 219 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: When you look at public opinion polls, there's still a 220 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: number of people that believe that Donald Trump won the election, 221 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: and that is just wrong on every factual basis. Every 222 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: local elected official would tell you that every secretary of 223 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: state is just wrong, and so you know it is 224 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: on us and the Republican Party is going to have 225 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: to have their own internal debate. And I think that 226 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: is why this investigation, the bipartisan went over in the House. Now, 227 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: we did our own in the Senate, which was really 228 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: focused on we need a new police chief. 229 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: We've gotten a new police chief. We need to have 230 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: better security plans. We have those. That's been witnessed by 231 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: some recent events. We have to get. 232 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 2: More resources to the police and to the building, and 233 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: we are doing that and have done that. So their 234 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: investigation is really the root causes Trump's role. That's why 235 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: these subpoenas are going on and the like, And that's 236 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: really important. 237 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: You can't just dust it, dust it away and throw 238 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 3: it under the rug man. 239 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: You have to get to the bottom of it so 240 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: that history at some point you're going to have more 241 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: and more people believe in the truth. And you don't 242 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: do that if you hide the truth. 243 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: But do you think we will get to the bottom 244 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: of it or do you think this committee but the 245 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: House will be constant, constant obstruction. 246 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I mean they're going to keep trying. 247 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: My favorite lately is that Steve Bannon, who wasn't even 248 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: in the White House at the time of the insurrection, 249 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: is claiming executive privilege. I guess that means any intern 250 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: that ever worked in the White House can claim executive 251 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: privilege for the rest of their lives. 252 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to work. 253 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: So you know, that's the kind of thing the House 254 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: Committee is dealing with legally. 255 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: Another issue that you've been intimately involved with, of course, 256 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: is the Freedom to Vote Act, as a compromise bill. 257 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: To the for the Peace Will Act. 258 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: You know, some have said it's a water down version. 259 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Other people have said it's a necessary compromise without getting 260 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: too much in the weed. Senator Klobachar, can you just 261 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: talk briefly about a why this had to be done? 262 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: Because you know, it's very. 263 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: Hard to keep up with all the maginations that are 264 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: going on on Capitol Hill, and I think part of 265 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: the problem is nobody really explains it simply for people 266 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: who aren't just covering it every hour inside the beltwayh 267 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: I have a. 268 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: Job, I'm about to do it. 269 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: So the Freedom to Vote Act ensures that every American 270 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: can vote safely regardless of their zip code. 271 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: Because right now. 272 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: We've got states doing some really bad stuff and making 273 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: it hard to vote, limiting vote by mail, limiting mail. 274 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: Drop off boxes in Georgia. 275 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: Right now they passed a lot that says you have 276 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: to put your birth date on the outside of the envelope, 277 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: and everyone messes up and puts the day that they're 278 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: filing the ballot. These things are evil. They're meant to 279 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: make it hard for people to vote. So what we 280 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: put in place in this bill is federal standards that 281 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: are minimal standards, but they say things like you have 282 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: to have early voting, you have to be able to 283 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: register the same day of the election, and has some 284 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: basic requirements in place. The compromises we made have really 285 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: been well received from every editorial board to Stacy Abrams, 286 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: Barack Obama are supportive of this bill because it is 287 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: really strong and Center Mansion did work with me. 288 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: I lead this bill. 289 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: Senator Schumer brought us together eight senators including Senaer Warnock 290 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: and Padia and many others, and we came together with this. 291 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,239 Speaker 2: So it is at its core about the basic standards 292 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: which the Constitution allows us to put in place. It 293 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: also has a really good prohibition on dark money and 294 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: allowing people to find out who's spending the money when 295 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: the campaigns aren't spending it. And those are really the 296 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: two main provisions, as well as some standards for when 297 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: they set up congressional districts. The bad thing is called gerrymandering, 298 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: and it has some standards in place for that. 299 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: So we're really proud of the bill. 300 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: And now after we have an agreement, Joe Manchin's name 301 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: is on this bill, Now we have to figure out 302 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: the process and that gets us into these archaic Senate. 303 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: Rules about filibustering and the like. 304 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: And my hope is that we find a way through 305 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: that process because state by state there is an effort, 306 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: which is a continuation of January sixth, to stop people 307 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,119 Speaker 2: from voting. In the words of Reverend Senator Warnock and Georgia, 308 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: some people don't want some people to vote, and instead 309 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: of changing their candidates or their platforms or their messages, 310 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: unfortunately right now there are people in the Republican Party 311 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: that said, you know, we don't want to do that, 312 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: so we're going to try to change the voters. We're 313 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: going to try to stop some of the people that 314 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: voted last time and make it harder. Georgie, you can't 315 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: vote on weekends during the runoff period. I mean, all 316 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: that was done to make it harder to vote. 317 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: You know, there have been a lot of articles, opinion pieces, 318 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: observations from Robert Kagan to Bill Maher recently talking about 319 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: sort of this systematic erosion of voting rights that is 320 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: taking place at the state level, really trying to set 321 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: the scene for twenty twenty four to say that the 322 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 1: election is fraudulent, a continuation of what's been called the 323 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: Big Lie. How concerned are you about that, Senator Klobachar, 324 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: because it's almost like a sleeping giant that people are 325 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: just starting to. 326 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 3: See. 327 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: How can that be stopped? And would this bill actually 328 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: do something that would override what's happening state by state 329 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: by state. 330 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a great way to refer to it 331 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: as a sleeping giant, because it's one of the reasons 332 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: I argue for, by the way, abolishing the filibuster or 333 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: carving it out for this, because people don't realize sometimes 334 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: what's happening here and what happened when Trump was contesting 335 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: election results that were by the way, Republican election officials 336 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: and the elect they stood up. So this is why 337 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: I'm not quite in the doomsday of some of the 338 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: people who've addressed this. 339 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 3: They stood up. 340 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: Republican election officials, Secretary of State, stood up for democracy, 341 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 2: local officials, whatever party they were, stood up and did 342 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: their jobs. You remember them all counting the next day 343 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: and everything. I interviewed Brad. 344 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: I interviewed Brad Rathensberger during that period, and you're right, 345 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: but aren't many of those people being replaced? 346 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 3: So let me get to that. 347 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: So in our bill, this Freedom to Vote Act, we 348 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: actually have a provision we've adjusted that wasn't even in 349 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: the original bill because of what's going on. It says 350 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: you can't fire local elected officials in the local county 351 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: districts and the like without evidence of malfeasance. 352 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: And we put a standard in place. 353 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: Again, the Constitution of the United States says that Congress 354 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: can make our alter laws regarding federal elections. That's why 355 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: we feel so confident that this is going to stand 356 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: up in court. So that would get to that. The 357 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: other thing they're doing is with the Electoral College, trying 358 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: to upend that, and we have a second bill, Center 359 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: Warnock does I would get it that. 360 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: So there is. 361 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: Many things that we need to do, and I really 362 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: believe that in the end, the filibuster is stopping us 363 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 2: and it's just this archaic rule, Katie that says you 364 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: have to get to like sixty votes to advance anything. 365 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: It's been changed many times in the past. And if 366 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: we want to move on these really difficult, challenging issues 367 00:19:54,440 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: like climate change or immigration reform, or voting or even 368 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: tech rules of the road, I think it's going to 369 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: be really hard with that archaic rule still in place. 370 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: So I do get back to that, but especially on voting, 371 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: I'm hopeful there may be a way to do something 372 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 2: different because it's our very democracy depends on it. 373 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: But how do you get rid of the filibuster. 374 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: We would have to vote on a fifty one vote margin. 375 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: We would all have to do it, and right now 376 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: it wouldn't appear that Center Mansion and Cinema will get 377 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: rid of it. But they could reform it. You could 378 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: look at different ways to reform it. In the past, 379 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: reforms have included reducing the number of senators from it 380 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 2: was sixty seven to sixty. 381 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: You could reduce it further. 382 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 2: You could carve out the filibuster for certain things, like. 383 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 3: Say the debt ceiling. 384 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: You could require and Center Mansion has indicated a willingness 385 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: to support this a standing filibuster. And this is really 386 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: an interesting idea, like in the old days, where they 387 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: had to actually we speak, it would be a change 388 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: of rule that you'd have to get with fifty one votes, 389 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 2: because it wouldn't just you just can't do it. And 390 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 2: then it would require them to actually be there, you know, 391 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: so when. 392 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: A bunch of them Cruz read read green Eggs and Ham. 393 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, except that was just a showman thing. They would 394 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: actually have to be there. Some people would have to 395 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: be there all the time for sudden votes and speaking 396 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: and the like, and then you could ramp it down 397 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: to a certain number and have an ultimate vote something 398 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 2: like that. But remember the civil rights legislation of the sixties, 399 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: you know that was filibustered and in the end it 400 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: just went on and on and finally there was an agreement. 401 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: And I love this story, and so I'm going to 402 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: read it to you. 403 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: Do you like green eggs and Ham? 404 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: I do not like them, Sam I am. 405 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: I do not like green Eggs and Ham. 406 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw SNL last week, but 407 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: they were sort of making fun of how clueless members 408 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: of Congress are because they, just in fairness, don't really 409 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: understand technology and social media. My question is I have 410 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: two thousand friends on Facebook? 411 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: Is that good? 412 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: Is it good? Like? 413 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 3: Is that a lot? Two thousand sounds like a lot. 414 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 3: How many does Drake have? Four thousand? I think he 415 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 3: has like fifty million. 416 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Wenda wonder he never answered my pop. 417 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm curious if you think we've reached a tipping point 418 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: with the whistleblower and kind of the fact that Facebook 419 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: is really nefariously failing to take certain measures to stop 420 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: all the damaging effects of social media. And there's some 421 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: good ones. I think there's some positive things about it too. 422 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: But you know, when you look at this problem and 423 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: how it impacts so much of our society, what do 424 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: you think is the solution? 425 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 3: How do you. 426 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: Balance free speech and controlling misinformation that I think is 427 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: as President Obama says, is one of the most is 428 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: the most serious threat to our democracy exactly. 429 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: So let's step back a loaded question to be sure 430 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 3: I'm concerned like you are. I'm sure I am. 431 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: I wrote a whole book on and I Trust, and 432 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: a lot of the focus was tech. I don't think 433 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: they've made fun of me for now knowing what I'm 434 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: talking about. 435 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: But I do think I don't think you were in 436 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: the skie. 437 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: I wasn't and I've been in several skits. I even 438 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: have my own person, Rachel Drafts that plays me, so 439 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: I'm feeling good about that. But I will say that 440 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: one of the methods they use, honestly, is they make 441 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: fun of everyone. Tech says, Oh, they don't know what 442 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: they're doing, and you know, Sarah and I can make 443 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: fun I don't blame them. But the point is is 444 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 2: that I think we know enough to know that something 445 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: has to change, and so I start with the solutions. 446 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: And I think Francis Hogan, who I got to meet 447 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: with for nearly an hour last week, I think she 448 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 2: is a catalyst to change because it's understandable when you 449 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: have kids being sent to content and accounts being that 450 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: they are seeing with names like eternally starving and I 451 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: want to be perfect and these kinds of things, you've 452 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: got a problem. So Number One, we need federal privacy laws. 453 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: The States is a patchwork. We don't even We're one 454 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: of the few countries in the world that doesn't have 455 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: a federal privacy law. 456 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 3: Which would really help. Apple just told their. 457 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: Users, well you can you have to opt in if 458 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: you want your data to be shared. 459 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 3: Seventy five percent of them didn't want it shared. 460 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: So let's say instead of opt out, right. 461 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, okay. So the. 462 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: Second thing, and that I think an opt in would 463 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: be much better. Second thing we need is to improve 464 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: our kids online laws. Right now, they only go up 465 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: to age thirteen. You know, you could go up to fifteen. 466 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: You can expand the productions that would really get at 467 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 2: the Facebook stuff. The third thing my work competitive policy. 468 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: I want to let the market work. Well, we're doing 469 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: regulations to try to develop some of these bells and whistles, 470 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: and we'll never know what Instagram might have done on 471 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 2: their own because Facebook bought them out, because, in the 472 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: words of Mark Zuckerberg, he would rather buy than compete. 473 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: He literally said in an email, this brand may be nascent, 474 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 2: but it's well established and it could be disruptive to us. 475 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: Well it was, he just didn't know how. So the 476 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: final thing is, and there's competitive policy, is make it 477 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 2: easier for people to compete with the dominant platforms, you know, 478 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: by saying that you can't promote your own products. You 479 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: have to treat people fairly on the platforms. It's not 480 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: as intuitive, but it really could get at this from 481 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: a market based approach, and there's a lot of Republican 482 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 2: interests in it. 483 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 3: And I put forward a number of bills with more 484 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 3: to come. 485 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: Just to clarify something. So you're basically saying, Senator, supporting 486 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: many facebooks, supporting companies that do the same thing, and well, 487 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: they have a monopoly, right, so they'll develop. 488 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: What if you had one where you had to register 489 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: the kids so you know exactly who's on there, or 490 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: they can't be on there. 491 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: Unless they say who they are. 492 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: What if you you know, There's all kinds of different 493 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: products that could go along, but it is so hard 494 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: right now. And this is the long term approach that 495 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: isn't just about Facebook. It's really there's too much consolidation 496 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: in our country in general. Then the final one, which 497 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: is you're getting at, is misinformation and trying to regulate that. 498 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: So I was on Dana Basha on Sunday, and I 499 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: use the example. I'd just seen the James Bond movie 500 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: and I was sitting in there thinking, Okay, if someone 501 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 2: yells fire in this theater, it's not protected speech, right, okay, 502 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 2: But if the theater decided then to put in a 503 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: speak in all their multiplexus because they were playing the 504 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: James Bond movie in all these different theaters, and they 505 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: then broadcast that, no one would think that was okay, 506 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: There'd be some kind of a lawsuit, right. Or if 507 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 2: you yelled out vaccine misinformation in one theater, Okay, the 508 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: theater's not going to be in trouble for that. But 509 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: the theater will be in trouble if they start broadcasting 510 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: things everywhere that's wrong. And so that's what's going on here. 511 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: I think you have to get at when they amplify things, 512 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: when they're making money off of amplifying things, that there 513 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: could be some loss of their liability protection. Right now, 514 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: they can do whatever they want. I have a bill 515 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 2: with Ben ray Luhan that I put out months ago 516 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: that would actually say they lose their immunity when they 517 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 2: put out misinformation on vaccines in the middle of any 518 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: public health crisis, because it has been the repercussions have 519 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: been astronomical. Over fifty percent of the people that don't 520 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: get the vaccine say they read something on social media 521 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 2: that you know, microchip is implanted in their arm. Well, 522 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: that concept is a version of what we could be 523 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: looking at. And I will know, YouTube just recently announced 524 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: that they were banning all accounts misinformation on vaccine, and 525 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: Facebook has not taken. 526 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: That step yet. 527 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: So it's hard to sort through all this in the 528 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: algorithm amplification immunity piece, I will admit is the hardest 529 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: part of how you get this right while still protecting 530 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: free speech, but it is key to some of the 531 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: success of moving on this. You also have other countries 532 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: that are being more aggressive than us, because in our country, Congress, 533 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 2: it's just they, you know, the tech companies have been 534 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: hiring everyone, people listen to their lobbyists all the time. 535 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: It is incredibly frustrating. The really the answer is and 536 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: how much money they're making off of us. They're making 537 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: off of you KD fifty one bucks Facebook every quarter, 538 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: and that's nearly double what the amount is in other 539 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: industrialized nations. So that's because they have more protections for 540 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: you for your data and you're not as profitable to them, 541 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: and so it's really disturbing, and that just shows why 542 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: that we haven't put any protections in place. 543 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: Are there any countries that you feel are a role 544 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: model because they also don't have the First Amendment. Yeah, 545 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: we are sometimes honestly problematic because some of the steps 546 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: they're taking, say in Germany and other countries, because. 547 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: Especially with elections, they're able to just take stuff off immediately. Well, 548 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 2: Europe is doing a lot on competition policy, and I've 549 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: worked with Margaret Vestegger, she's the competition person for the 550 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: EU extensively. I noticed that the whistleblower is actually going 551 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: to speak well with some of those the people in 552 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: Europe leading the way. 553 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: So at first everyone is making fun of Europe. 554 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: And now I think everyone realizes why they were doing 555 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: some of the things. So you're right about the First Amendment. 556 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: But in competition policy, our anti trust laws haven't been 557 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: changed for decades now, and in history they were always changed. 558 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: We had the Sherman Act and the Klayton Act. That's 559 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: how they broke up Standard Oil. That's how they broke 560 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: up at and T Later, over many different political administrations 561 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: they worked on that case. And so that means resources 562 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: in the agencies, it means smart leaders in charge of them, 563 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: which is happening. It means political support on both sides 564 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: of the aisle. And there were some during the last administration, 565 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: some good people in charge of those divisions that we're 566 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: doing some good work, and it really means updating our laws. 567 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: So there's a fit Hell, can you have the tech industry, 568 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: twenty percent of our economy now come in and we 569 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: make not one change to our competition policy or privacy laws. 570 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: That is our status right now. 571 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 2: So I think we have to admit that people have 572 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: been listening to these lobbies. It's too hard. You got 573 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: the filibuster hanging out there, which is not as big 574 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: a problem here, but it's more giving into the tech industry. 575 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 2: And I don't wish them harm. They employ many people, 576 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: They've given us great things. I'm wearing a fitbit right now. 577 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: I got my iPhone right here. I'm not some ledeite, 578 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 2: but I believe in capitalism. And if you believe in capitalism, 579 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: you don't want to destroy these companies. You just want 580 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: to make sure that there's competitors in place. And this 581 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 2: is not just Facebook. And that's one of the things 582 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: I'm concerned about, because it really is we have to 583 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 2: look at the tech industry as a whole. 584 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: Hey, would you ever consider running for president again in 585 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four? 586 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 3: I love my job, Katie. I love it, and now 587 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 3: I've got so much to do. 588 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: I'm going off to do a prescription drug event in Minnesota, 589 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: and i have really a major leadership role in the 590 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: Senate right now. 591 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: That's what I'm focused on. 592 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: Thank you again to my special guest, Senator Amy Klobachar. 593 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: She's so smart and with it. I really like talking 594 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: to her. 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