1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: The hand that rocked the cradle. It's not just a 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: movie anymore. Did a glamorous young o pair plot the 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: murder of her love rat boss's wife? And what about Hubby? 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: being with us, So let me understand. The glamorous young 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: o pair, as she is called, leaves to take the baby, 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: just four years old, to the zoo, and then day 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 2: of all days, realizes, oops, I forgot lunch. Okay, so 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: she goes back and comes upon what a homicide saying? 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: Listen. 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 4: Fairfax County Police officers responded to a nine to one 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 4: to one call from within the home in an upstairs bedroom. 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 4: We found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot wounds, 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 4: and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine was 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 4: transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. We recovered 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 4: rather two firearms and a knife. This morning, at seven 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: forty nine am, we received a cell phone nine to 19 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 4: one one call that was an open line hang up. 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 4: That call was captured and noted, and thirteen minutes later, 21 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 4: at eight oh two am, we received a cell phone 22 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: nine one one call from the very same cell phone, 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 4: and two persons communicated with our nine one one call 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 4: taker At that eight oh two nine one one cell 25 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 4: phone call, the husband and the OU pair communicate with 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 4: the nine one one call taker. The husband tells the 27 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 4: nine one one call taker that he just shot a 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 4: man inside of his home, and the husband tells the 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 4: nine one one call taker that the man who he 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 4: had just shot had stabbed his wife. 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: Okay, whoa, this is so crazy. So the A pair 32 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: comes back. She finds this scene. Where did hubby come from? 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: He is a FED. For Pete's sake, I assume he 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: was on his way to work a FED, a federal agent. 35 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: So they come upon the wife bleeding out. You know, 36 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: let me go straight out to investigative reporter and anchor 37 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: Sierra Fox. You can find her on Fox five or 38 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: find her online at the Sierra Fox. Sierra thank you 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: for being with us. Let me just understand when the 40 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: nanny the O pair gets back to the house to 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: retrieve the lunches. Number one, did she leave the baby 42 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: in the car? Did she bring the baby in? 43 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 5: She brought the four year old daughter inside and put 44 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 5: her inside the basement while she went upstairs to check 45 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 5: out the scene. 46 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, whoa who woah, Sierra, how does 47 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: she know when she went in to put the baby 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: in the basement and go upstairs. 49 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: I thought she was just going in the kitchen to 50 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: pick up lunch. 51 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 6: Exactly as you know, Nancy, this case has a lot 52 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 6: of twists and turns, very confusing and complicated. No idea 53 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 6: why exactly she would bring the four year old daughter 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 6: inside when you thought there may be up thereat. 55 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: Okay, right there, Hold on, Sierra, wait a minute, it 56 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: would be a cold day in h E double l 57 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: that this one comes into the house with that mouthful 58 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: of red lipstick and takes care of the children. Okay, 59 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: call me crazy. Ron Bateman is joining me for mor homicide. 60 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: Undercover narcotics agent, author of a crime trilogy, Silent Blue 61 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: Tears at Ronbateman Books dot com. But for my purposes 62 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: veteran law enforcement look, uh uh and oh, this one 63 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: is not gonna be my babysitter, Ron Bateman. Why does 64 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: she have to have a mouthful of red lipstick to 65 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: take care of the baby? Yeah? 66 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 7: I wonder who was involved in the interview process to 67 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 7: select this o pair. I'm sure it wasn't the wife. 68 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 7: I'm sure the husband had all the saying in this hiring. 69 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: Well, I can just tell you this, Ron Bateman, uh 70 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: uh And okay, call me crazy. I'm sure you already 71 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: have Courtney Laski joining US board Certified behavior analyst. 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: Courtney. 73 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: Why does she have to have a mouthfull of red 74 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: lipstick to take care of a four year old baby girl? 75 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 8: You know, I think some would argue it is a 76 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 8: personal preference. Maybe she loves to feel good about herself, 77 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 8: but there's not a need for it. 78 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: You're right, this has nothing to do with anything. But 79 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: I can guarantee you this. 80 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: Brian Foley. Brian Foley is joining US. 81 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: A veteran trial lawyer, former chief prosecutor in Harris County. 82 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: That's Texas author of What Prosecutors Don't tell you. I 83 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about right there now, Criminal 84 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: defense attorney Brian Foley. 85 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: Did you see those two pictures? Did you? 86 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 87 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 9: Seems like you know, a very attractive young out pair. 88 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: Okay, you know, Brian Foley, you seem pretty common about it. 89 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if your wife would feel 90 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: the same way, but let. 91 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: Me get off her lipstick. 92 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: And her push up bra and her tear drop open 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: shirt right there and her selfie. Let me get back 94 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: to the actual murder. That is why we are here tonight, 95 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: Sarah Fox. This is what I want to understand. Siara 96 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: Fox is joining me from Fox five DC. 97 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: Sierra. 98 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: So, the o pair aka babysitter that lives in your 99 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 2: house comes in and for some reason, she instinctively puts 100 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: the four year old baby along downstairs in the basement, 101 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: and then she goes upstairs. You told me she just 102 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: came back to get the lunch, the sandwiches. But that said, 103 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: after she goes upstairs, what does she say? 104 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: She finds well. 105 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 5: And police arrived on scene. 106 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 6: She told them that this was an intruder situation, that 107 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 6: there is a break in, and that her and Brendan Banfield, 108 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 6: who is the husband her employer, was inside and acting 109 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 6: in self defense. So before she went inside the home, 110 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 6: when she turned around while she was on her way 111 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 6: to the zoo with the four year old girl, and 112 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 6: she went back because she forgot the lunches. She actually 113 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 6: called the husband telling him that she saw someone outside 114 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 6: walking to the home. So while he was on his 115 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 6: way to work, he drove back to the house and 116 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 6: that's when they both went upstairs and then the bloody scene. 117 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: Okay, I think I've got that straight. 118 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 2: Listen, guys, this is Chief Kevin Davis, Fairfax Police. 119 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: The first nine one one call came from me what 120 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 4: we now know to be the O Pair cellphone. That 121 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 4: nine one call was an open mic. Nothing discernible on 122 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 4: that call was a quick hang up. We noted that call. 123 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 4: Thirteen minutes later from the same nine one one, from 124 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 4: the same cell phone, a nine more one call was 125 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 4: made and on the phone was first too Pair communicating 126 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: with us, and then she apparently handed the phone to 127 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 4: the husband. The husband the gate with us, and that's 128 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 4: when the husband told us that he shot and killed 129 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 4: a man inside of his home. And that's when the 130 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 4: husband told us that the man who he shot and 131 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 4: killed was stabbing his wife. 132 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: Okay, so we don't have just the wife stabbed and 133 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: she dies, the mother of the four year old little girl. 134 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: We have this guy that we learn is Joseph Ryan 135 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: and he gets shot dead. 136 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: All right, So Sierra Fox joining us Fox five Washington, 137 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: this is not just a homicide. This is a double homicide, unless, 138 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: of course, that husband really is acting in self defense, 139 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: which is a complete defense. 140 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: But we got two dead bodies. Let me just put 141 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: it that way. Is that right? 142 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 5: Two dead bodies? Yep, a double homicide. 143 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: Doctor Gorniac is joining us. 144 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: For those of you that don't know her, doctor Gan 145 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: Gorniac is a renowned medical examiner who worked in the 146 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: Clark County Medical Examiner Office. And that is Vegas translation. 147 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: Never a lack of business at the Vegas Morgue, Doctor. 148 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: Gorniac, I'm just thinking this through. Number one. 149 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: When you find a female victim who is unclothed, you 150 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: can immediately rule out suicide. Statistically, women do not kill 151 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: themselves to be found. I think it's instinctive. I'm not 152 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: sure about that. I'm not a shrink. I can rule 153 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: that out immediately. But let me talk to you about 154 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: the number of wounds to this young mom, nurse neck. 155 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to kill somebody quickly, there 156 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: are two ways to do that. One stab them to 157 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: the heart and to stab them to the neck the 158 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: jugular explain. 159 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 10: So yes, when you some want to stab to the heart, 160 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 10: obviously that's the main organ that supplies blood to the body. 161 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 10: So when you're losing blood from the heart, blood is 162 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 10: not circulating about the body, so your body's not getting 163 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 10: any oxygen. Major vessels come off of the heart into 164 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 10: the neck, so when you get stabbed in the neck, 165 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 10: major arteries are going to be severed and you're going 166 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 10: to be losing blood from there too. So both areas 167 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 10: when someone is stabbed there are going to lead to 168 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 10: someone hemorrhaging, so they're going to lose a lot of blood, 169 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 10: decreased oxygen to the brain, and leading to death. 170 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: I've got a question, other than possibly dottor Gornia, a 171 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: stab to the heart or the neck, I guess the 172 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: third most lethal stab would be to the federal artery 173 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: on the leg. 174 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 3: What do you think? 175 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 10: Yes, those are people don't realize that the big artery 176 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 10: got supplied the blood to the legs or the femeral arteries, 177 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 10: and sometimes we can't even tell that. Someone can even 178 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 10: have a gunshot wound, a stab wound and get that 179 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 10: vessel and then once again all that blood is bleeding 180 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 10: inside of the lake and sometimes we're surprised like, Okay, 181 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 10: how do they die? And it's because they got that 182 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 10: artery in the lake. Also common places to be stabbed 183 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 10: is in the chest and the lungs. Could be punctured 184 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 10: and they can bleed out into their chest. 185 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: Also, I'm just thinking Ron Bateman and joining me, former 186 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: homicide detective and now author, Ron, I'm just thinking about 187 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: this lady, this mom minding her own business up in 188 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: her bedroom, probably in bed, thinking her daughter, her baby 189 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: has gone to the zoo, and that her husband, the fed, 190 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: has gone to work, and all of a sudden, all 191 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: h double l breaks loose and there she is stabbed 192 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: multiple times in the neck. 193 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: That is a horrible way to die. 194 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 7: Absolutely, you can't defend yourself when you're stabbed in the 195 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 7: kronad artery in your neck. I mean you're just You're 196 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 7: rendered completely useless at that point. So there's no way 197 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 7: she could even take any maneuvers to try to defend herself. 198 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 7: It's a very sad, sad situation for sure. 199 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: You know. Another thing is reminding me Brian Foley joining 200 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: US veteran try a lawyer out of Texas. It's reminding 201 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: me of comparisons. There she is in her nurse outfit. 202 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: I believe she was in the nicku ward a pediatric nurse. 203 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 3: Brian Foley. 204 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: This is very similar to the Brian Coburger stabbings. Where 205 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: the victims are in bed quasi as sleep some ambulance 206 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: I guess, you know, half asleep, half awake, and they 207 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: are immediately confronted with a stabber. 208 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: Now that's a whole different mentality. 209 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: It's not like a sharp sheeter at a distance where 210 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: the person doesn't even seem real. It's like you're shooting 211 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: at an arcade duck going by on one of those conveyors. 212 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: It's not real. But stabbing someone and unlike strangling them. 213 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: Which is also an up close and personal murder, it 214 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: takes a degree viciousness to stab someone, and you've got 215 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: to be prepared for immediate blood flow, especially if an 216 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 2: artery such as the carotid artery or the jugular is stabbed. 217 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: That's a whole different mindset, Brian Foley, So how would 218 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: you in any way minimize that with a jury stabbed 219 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: in the net repeatedly, a naked lady up in her bedroom. 220 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you know. As a defense attorney, when 221 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 9: you're confronted with a situation like this, you want to 222 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 9: point to the amount of confusion that there is in 223 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 9: something like this. Why is there both a gun and 224 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 9: a knife being involved? If this is all a plot. 225 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 9: We know that the husband is an IRS kremn Ole agent. 226 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 9: He had a gun issued to him by the IRS 227 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 9: that was used in this Why are they doing multiple 228 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 9: different plots? Why are they bringing in this unknown person 229 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 9: Joseph Ryan from you know, Out of Nowhere. 230 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. 231 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 11: Brendan Banfield finds his wife Christine nude and a man 232 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 11: he doesn't know with a knife to her throat. Banfield 233 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 11: tells the man to put the knife down, but he 234 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 11: starts stabbing the thirty seven year old mother. Brendan Banfield 235 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 11: carries a gun as an IRS special agent, and he 236 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 11: draws his Service Revolver and shoots the man in the head. 237 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 11: The intruder is wounded and down on the ground. Banfield 238 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 11: calls for perezmaghlies and tells the Old Pair to get 239 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 11: his personal gun a clock out of the bathroom safe, 240 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 11: giving her the code. The Old Pair retrieves the glock 241 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 11: and at Bamfield's direction, shoots Joseph Ryan the heart as 242 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 11: he is laying on the ground. 243 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: Let me understand what I'm hearing, guys. In the last hours, 244 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: a bombshell development in the investigation into the deaths of 245 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 2: two people number one the mother in this case a 246 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: local nurse, the mother of a four year old little girl, 247 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: Christine Banfeld, stabbed to death, multiple stab ones to the 248 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: next also a guy that nobody seemingly knows, a thirty 249 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: nine year old guy, Joseph Ryan. 250 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: He's up in the bedroom with the mom. 251 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: Why is he there, so Sierra, the husband shot the intruder, 252 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: I guess, even though there's no forced entry. But why 253 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: did he then go tell the O pair to shoot 254 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: Joseph Ryan as well? 255 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 6: Right now, investigators haven't revealed exactly why Joseph Ryan was 256 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 6: shot twice and why the husband would tell the OA 257 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 6: pair to get his block with the code and then 258 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 6: shoot Ryan again, who is inside the field's home. 259 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: Okay, this is what I don't understand, Ron Bateman. Why 260 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: did the hubby, the husband and the O pair have 261 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: to kill the so called intruder Joseph Ryan, who I 262 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: don't think was an intruder. 263 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: But that's putting the cart before the horse. Why do 264 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: they have to kill him twice? 265 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: So? Am I supposed to believe that the husband shoots Ryan, 266 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: who he finds with his wife in the head and 267 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: then says, Okay, I've shot him I've got a gun 268 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: on him. Now you here's the code. You go get 269 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: this other gun, and now you shoot him. 270 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: That's total BS and a time like that, you're not 271 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: telling anybody. 272 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: Hey, here's the code, one two, three, four pound pound pound, 273 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: Now get the gun. No, I mean the chief of police, 274 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: the sheriff. His head must have blown off when he 275 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: heard that. Why not just shoot the guy twice yourself? 276 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, first off, it was reported that he 277 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 7: was shot in the head by the IRS agent, So 278 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 7: therefore you're most likely dead. You're completely incapacity, for sure. 279 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 7: But he's an investigator and he wants his cohort to 280 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 7: be equally culpable, so he then has her do the 281 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 7: same thing and shoot him, supposedly in the heart. So now, 282 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 7: if I'm going to go down, you're going down too, 283 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 7: So that way they're both called. I think that's the 284 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 7: underlying plan. 285 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: Let me see that picture of Joseph Ryan again. He's 286 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: petting a little puppy dog. Okay, he looks harmless, but 287 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: of course looks can be deceiving. Okay, here's another fly 288 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: in the ointment. The double nine to one one call, 289 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: I promise you if I'm calling nine one one I'm 290 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: not going to hang up and wait thirteen minutes and 291 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: call back if there's a nine to one one call, 292 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: their darn will better be a nine to one one happening, 293 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: So listen to this. 294 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 11: Christine Banfield is mortally wounded, bleeding profusely as she lays 295 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 11: on the floor in the Banfield bedroom. The man who 296 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 11: had been stabbing her there is Joseph Ryan. He's wounded 297 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 11: when Brendan Banfield shoots him with a service weapon, but 298 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 11: is killed when all paired Juliana Perez Maggalise shoots him 299 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 11: through the heart as he's laying on the floor. Julianna 300 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 11: Perez Moggalise calls nine one one, and after connecting with 301 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 11: the operator, she hands the phone to Brendan Banfield. This 302 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 11: is the second time that day that Maggales dials nine 303 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 11: to one one. The first she called from the basement, 304 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 11: but she later told police she hung up when she 305 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 11: realizes she has no idea of what's going on upstairs. 306 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I've found out, Sierra Fox Diggings through some police 307 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: docs that the husband told the babysitter to go and 308 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: to put the baby in the basement. That's the story, 309 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: but here's what I want to understand. Also, Sierra Fox, 310 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: Joseph Ryan, who's lying dead on the floor when cops 311 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: get there. 312 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 3: He's shot in the head and the heart. Is that right? 313 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 5: That's what I read in court documents. 314 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so they didn't think shooting him in the 315 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: heart was enough to kill him or the head. 316 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 3: They had to kill him twice. Also, so the wife 317 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: is stabbed. 318 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: Multiple times in the neck the juggular vein, and he, 319 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: Joseph Ryan, shot in the head and the heart. 320 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think this guy broke in. 321 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 12: Listen, on the sexual dating site fed life, a profile 322 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 12: is created using the online name of Anastasian nine. Finding 323 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 12: the Anastasia nine profile for Christine Banfield and communications between 324 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 12: Anastasian nine and Joseph Ryan. Authorities believe someone other than 325 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 12: Christine Banfield set up the profile and it was someone 326 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 12: else that was communicating with Joseph Ryan while pretending Anastasia 327 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 12: nine is Christine Banfield. 328 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm drinking from the fire hydrant right now. Too much, 329 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: too fast. Let's just start with the fetish website, all right, 330 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: to Sierra Fox joining us Fox five DC, Joseph Ryan 331 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: did not break in. 332 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 3: We know, no forced entry whatsoever. 333 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: Why doesn't anybody have Manny Can's for Pete's sake or 334 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: surveillance video so I can figure out what's going on 335 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: the peer. And this is the mom and Joseph Ryan, 336 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: an unknown male, the one petting the puppy dog. They've 337 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 2: been talking on an adult fetish site. And now we 338 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: find out the mom reportedly has a profile there, and 339 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: she the mom who works full time as a nurse 340 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: and takes care of a four year old baby girl 341 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: wants rough sex at home where her husband just left 342 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: two minutes before. Okay, Sierra Fox, I can remember when 343 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: the twins were four years old. 344 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 3: The last thing on my mind was going on an. 345 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: Adult fetish website and meeting some guy I have never met. 346 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: For rough sex. Okay. I was just trying to get 347 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: through the day. 348 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 2: Okay, So explain to me this working mom and nurses 349 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: are on their feet day long, taking care of a 350 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 2: million people, from washing their hands and slapping on puil 351 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: all day long, to cleaning bed pants, to helping people vomit, 352 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: to bringing meds and making sure they take their meds 353 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: and they're fed, and they're this and they're that all 354 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: day they have to wear those special shoes because their 355 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: legs hurt so much. At the end of the day, 356 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: she comes home to the baby and the fed, the 357 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: husband with the I R S. No comment there out 358 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 2: a word, and now she wants rough sex. Is that 359 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to understand? 360 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 6: Sierra Fox Nancy, to your point, this is very, very perplexing. 361 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 6: Fairfax County Police have not released the specific relationship between 362 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 6: Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield, but sources do confirm they 363 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 6: were a fetish website. 364 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 3: Did you say it's perplexing? 365 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 6: It is a lot of questions are being raised in 366 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 6: last week at the press comments with Fairfax County Police. 367 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: They do you have children yet? 368 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 5: I do not know. 369 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 2: Okay, see that's why you have so much energy. Okay, 370 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: just wait, just wait, trust me, Sarah. The last thing 371 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 2: is going to be on your mind first thing in 372 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: the morning is having rough sex with the guy you 373 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: have never met off a fetish website. Now I need 374 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: to understand something. 375 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: Back to. 376 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, Oh good, digital evidence. That's what I want 377 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: right now. I want it fast, and I want it now. 378 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: Digital evidence. How did this website get set up? 379 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 3: Did this mom? 380 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: Do we really know she's set up the website connection 381 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: with Joseph Ryan, because if she didn't, I am telling 382 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: you for is gonna fly Bateman. 383 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 7: You know what that part of the investigation is going 384 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 7: to reveal a lot of information, and if you would 385 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 7: like for me to talk about it now. I had 386 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 7: a conversation with Chief Kevin Davis this morning about this case. 387 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 7: I've known Kevin for a long time. He's a great cop, 388 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 7: first and foremost. The case is still ongoing, of course, 389 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 7: so he can't reveal everything, but he assured me that 390 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 7: they have a very and i'll quote this a very 391 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 7: strong case and he has a lot of forensic evidence 392 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 7: that's very damning. 393 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 4: The husband was treated at a local hospital for a 394 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: minor injury that he told us he had to his leg, 395 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 4: and the husband has elected not to speak to Fairfax 396 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 4: County detectives. The au pair is speaking with Fairfax County Detectives. 397 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 7: White Man. 398 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 4: The husband is not charged. She is not accused. He 399 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 4: was present at the home. 400 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 3: Not speak to detectives. 401 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: If someone so much has touched a hair on my 402 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 2: husband's head, I would be lying on the front step 403 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: of the police station screaming at the top of my 404 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: lungs to get the person that hurt my husband? 405 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: Did I just hear Brian Foley? 406 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 2: Is it possible the husband has quote elected not to 407 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: speak to Fairfax County detectives after his wife has been 408 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: stabbed in the neck repeatedly in her bedroom, button naked, 409 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to talk to detectives. 410 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 3: Uh uh no, that's not right, Folly. 411 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 9: Well, you do have the Fifth Amendment right not to 412 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 9: speak to the police if you don't want to, And 413 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 9: he did also shoot somebody just a minute ago. 414 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you want to speak to police. Why wouldn't 415 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: you want to speak to police and tell them how 416 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 2: you came in and this guy's stabbing your wife in 417 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: the neck, so you shoot him dead in the head, 418 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: But then for some reason get your ou pair with 419 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: all the red lipstick to shoot him in the heart too. 420 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: That's a whole other can of worms. But why would 421 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: he want to take the fifth Folly? Yeah? 422 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 9: I mean there are so many cans of worms, Like, 423 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 9: for example, if Christine didn't make that dating profile, I 424 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 9: just said, why did she? 425 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: If I say it, you don't say it right after me, 426 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: Echo chamber? 427 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: What so if she? 428 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 9: Uh, if there was confusion in this case, you know, 429 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 9: it comes starting with Christine making this website, and there's 430 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 9: no fourth century, so we know she let this guy 431 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 9: in who would have been a stranger to her, and 432 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 9: the police's theory is that that guy, a stranger, was 433 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 9: recruited by the al pair and the husband. 434 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: To Courtney Laski, now I see why Brian Foley wins 435 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: so many cases. He's you know, he's going to go 436 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 2: down with a ship defending this guy and the Courtney 437 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 2: Laski joining US Board Certified Behavior Analysts and you can 438 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: find her at Little Star therapy ks dot com. 439 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 3: Courtney, I'm not a shrink. 440 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: I'm not a behavioral analyst like you, much less Board 441 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: certified behavior analyst. But I know when I smell a rat, 442 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 2: I smell a rat because I find it really hard 443 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: to believe that if I had been harmed, stabbed, much less, 444 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: then my husband would not tear the whole. 445 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: Place down trying to find out what happened. 446 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: And he quote elects not to speak to police about 447 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: his dead wife lying naked in the floor. And this 448 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: guy is a fed, he works with the irs, he 449 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: knows the law, so why wouldn't he speak to police? 450 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: Courtney. 451 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 8: That is one of the most pressing questions that I have. 452 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 8: He is in the criminal division of the IRS. When 453 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 8: we look at behavioral forensics, we first look at all 454 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 8: of the individuals involved and we look at their learning histories. 455 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 8: Mister Banfield has an extensive learning history in crimes and 456 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 8: understanding the legal aspet, how to plan a crime, how 457 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 8: to defend against a crime, how to investigate a crime, 458 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 8: so he would have that knowledge of what he should 459 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 8: and shouldn't do following a serious, serious event that occurred. 460 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 5: In his home. 461 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: Okay, guys, what happens next? Listen to Kevin Davis, Fairfax 462 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 2: County Police cheam. 463 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 4: On February twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, I stood in 464 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 4: the middle of a cul de sac street in Fairfax 465 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 4: County and describe the deaths of two persons inside of 466 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 4: a residential home. Now, five hundred and seventy days later, 467 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 4: we know the deaths of Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield 468 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 4: are both in fact murders. I will not describe our victim, 469 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 4: Joseph Ryan's relationship with anyone involved because this investigation continues, 470 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 4: and like any criminal investigation, our probing of the facts 471 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 4: does not end when an arrest is made. This much 472 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 4: is clear. We have evidence to now allege that Christine 473 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 4: Banfield's life was unlawfully taken and Joseph Ryan's life was 474 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 4: unlawfully taken. 475 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: Well, that can only mean one thing. 476 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: When they say that both Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield 477 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: were murdered, that means to me, of course, this will 478 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: be determined in a court of law that no one 479 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 2: was acting in self defense. Now to doctor Jan Gorniac, 480 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner formerly out of Vegas, Doctor Gorniac, I 481 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: don't like this, but I know it to be true. 482 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: It's very hard to date or time stab wounds, for instance, 483 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 2: which stab came first. But in this case, to determine 484 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: who stabbed the why Christine Banfield, we could look. 485 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: At the body of Joseph Ryan. 486 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: Yes, he's been shot in the head and the heart, 487 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: both obviously mortal wounds. But wouldn't we be able to, 488 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: for instance, look at his hands to see if they 489 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: were bloody? 490 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 3: Is he the stabber or is somebody else the stabber? 491 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: What would you look for on his person when that 492 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: body rolls into your morgue? What would you do? 493 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 10: It's difficult to determine which one came first, absolutely, because 494 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 10: we don't know what positions the bodies were in when 495 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 10: they were stabbed. So for example, we know that you 496 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 10: are stabbed in the left side of the neck and 497 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 10: the right side of the neck, and we want to 498 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 10: know what hand the perpetrator uses. So she's face down 499 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 10: in they're right handed, she'll have stab wounds on the 500 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 10: right side of the neck, and if she's they're facing 501 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 10: each other, and the same thing uses the right hand, 502 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 10: that'd be on the left side of her neck. Unfortunately 503 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 10: or fortunately, people just don't stay in one position to 504 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 10: sustain injuries like that. Like you said, it's up close 505 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 10: and personal, so it's not an injury that's going to 506 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 10: be immediately fatal. So you're going to start moving around. 507 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 10: But it's going to be very difficult to determine. Unless 508 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 10: the perpetrator has injuries on their hand, it's going to 509 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 10: be very difficult to tell who the perpetrator actually actually. 510 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: Doctor Gorniac, at first, I thought that this sounded crazy, 511 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: but then I started seeing it over and over and 512 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: over again, and I realize it's true, and I would 513 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: love to have gotten to look at Brian Coberger's hands. 514 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: Immediately after the four university students were murdered quasi asleep. 515 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: Very often, even if you are using an knife that 516 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: has a hilt, you know, like one of these, your 517 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: hand slides down from the handle onto the blade. The 518 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: human body puts up a lot of resistance when you stab. 519 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: It's not like stabbing into butter. It's more like stabbing 520 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: into a roast beef that's been in the fridge. 521 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 3: A really long time. Or turkey a turkey, yes, a turkey. 522 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: Just stabbing straight in and you meet resistance, and very 523 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: often purpse are not prepared for that resistance, and they 524 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: stab and their hand slides down the blade and they 525 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: get sliced. It's actually very common, especially if you have 526 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: the over overhead stab motion as opposed to the straight 527 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: ahead stab motion. Very interesting, it's very interesting the dynamic 528 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: of stab wounds. 529 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 3: That said, that's one thing that. 530 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: We would look for on Ryan's hands, is he even 531 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: the stabber? 532 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 3: Also, do you have the victim's blood on Ryan? 533 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: Which is going to be really hard to determine because 534 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: she's covered in blood. It's a bloody crime scene. She's 535 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: been stabbed in the jugular vein. For Pete's sake, he's 536 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: been shot twice and somehow you the medical examiner, have 537 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: to preserve the clothing, preserve everything you find on the hands, 538 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: if anything, because at some point somebody a DNA expert 539 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,239 Speaker 2: is going to want to differentiate between his blood and 540 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: her blood. 541 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: That's a tough order, Dr Gorniac. 542 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 10: As you said, Nancy, there are a lot of variables 543 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 10: when it comes to the stabbing injuries and whether the 544 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 10: perpetrator is going to get injuries on their hands. It's 545 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 10: going to be where they're stabbed, the person is being stabbed, 546 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 10: the type of instrument that they're using. So I hear 547 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 10: you when you talk about the force or the tension 548 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 10: that comes with stabbing somebody. But remember in the neck, 549 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 10: you're not going to run into resistance until you hit 550 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 10: actually the cervical spine to the vertebrae in the neck, 551 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 10: compared to stabbing somebody in the chest. So therefore it 552 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 10: is like once you get through the skin, depending on 553 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 10: how sharp the instrument is, it is going to slide 554 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 10: through the body like butter. So there may or may 555 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 10: not be injuries on somebody's somebody's hand, Plus those vessels 556 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 10: in the neck, it's so close to the skin, you 557 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 10: don't have to penetrate the neck that deep. So yes, 558 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 10: we're going to look at the victim's hands, but our 559 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 10: experience because we usually don't have the suspect who did 560 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 10: the stabbing on our table. Also, so this is a 561 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 10: very unique case. So they might be able to determine 562 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 10: whether or not she was stabbed by the unknown assailant 563 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 10: in her house. 564 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 565 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: Sierra Fox's joining us Fox five. Is this true? 566 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: And I want to show you a photo. Is it 567 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: true that police find the babysitter the O pairs clothes 568 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: hanging in the dead mom's closet and a picture of 569 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 2: the O pair and the husband on the bedside table. 570 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 3: Is this real? 571 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 6: It's real, It's true, and it's absolutely chilling. Police released 572 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 6: a photo of the O pair and the husband together 573 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 6: on the bedside table right next to the bed and 574 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 6: that's the same exact room where these murders happen. 575 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 5: So very scary. 576 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 3: I'm looking at the photo right now. What is in 577 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: the background? Where are they? 578 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: Are they going on dates? And they've taken looks like 579 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: he's taking a selfie. 580 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can see her arm. 581 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what that that's too much for me 582 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 2: to even take it. WHOA, my goodness, weight the cleavage 583 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 2: is back. 584 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 3: There she is. 585 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: When I'm showing a photo right now Sierra of them 586 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: at a restaurant, happily posing together. Here, it looks like 587 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: they're getting somebody else, probably the waiter, to take that picture. 588 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 3: Well, when did this happen? 589 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 6: No idea when that specific photo appeared. But they have 590 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 6: been in an affair while the pair was living inside 591 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 6: the home at this time. It's not clear Christine knew 592 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 6: about it or not. 593 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: Oh my stars, this woman working to support the family 594 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: and coming home. 595 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 3: And these two have been at it like two buddies 596 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 3: all day long. 597 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 2: So not only do we have confirmation now of what 598 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,479 Speaker 2: we suspected, these two we're having a sex affair right 599 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 2: under the dead wife's nose, But it's deeper than that. 600 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: Affairs happened every ye day. Do I like it not? 601 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 3: Does it happen? Yes? Does that make the husband a murderer? 602 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 10: No? 603 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 3: It doesn't. But wait a minute listen. 604 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 11: Investigators say, however, they believe it was all a ruse, 605 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 11: that someone else created the profile on the adult fetish 606 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 11: website pretending to be Christine Bamfield. In fact, investigators believe 607 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 11: Ryan's murder was part of an elaborate plan to kill 608 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 11: Christine Banfield so her husband Brendan, and their Brazilian live 609 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 11: in au pair could be together. 610 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 3: So this is a very elaborate plot, Run Bateman. 611 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: It seems as if Joseph Ryan, who was on the website, 612 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: we think the adult fetish website, was lured to the 613 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 2: home by someone pretending to be the mom Christine Banfield 614 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: using the profile name Anastasia nine, and he responds to 615 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 2: what he believes is a request for an encounter for 616 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 2: rough sex. 617 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 3: Okay, do you really. 618 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 2: Believe that this opa put that whole plot together on 619 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: her own and the husband knew nothing, Ron. 620 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 7: Bateman, Okay, So that's where this investigation is really going 621 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 7: to reveal a lot of things. When they start looking 622 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 7: into IP addresses where this was created. It might have 623 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 7: been at his work, or at a friend's house, or 624 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 7: at a hotel room that they rented. That's really going 625 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 7: to reveal a lot of things. And you know, it's 626 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 7: it's pretty common. Number one rule and how to commit 627 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 7: a crime handbook is don't do it with someone else. 628 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 7: And that's exactly what this guy did. You know, he 629 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 7: had this o pair. He had this this plan. The 630 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 7: plan sucked and his backfired all the big time. 631 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 3: Is that a technical legal term, Yes, it is. 632 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 2: The plan sucked. Now this gives d I Y a 633 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 2: whole new meaning. These two plotting together and in the 634 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 2: last days another bombshell hobby busted. 635 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 3: Listen. 636 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 13: Early last year, the double homicide of Christine Banfield and 637 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 13: Joseph Ryan shook our entire community. Today, I'm pleased to 638 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 13: announce that, due to the hard work of police and prosecutors, 639 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 13: the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office has secured an indictment against Brandon 640 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 13: Banfield for the murder of his wife, Christine and the 641 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 13: murder of mister Ryan. Fairfax County Police officers took Brandon 642 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 13: Banfield in the custody and he's been brought to the 643 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 13: same adult detention center where Juliana Perez Maglis has been 644 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 13: since last year when she was arrested for the murder 645 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 13: of mister Ryan. The great investigative work of the Fairfax 646 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 13: County Police Department led us to new information which was 647 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 13: instrumental in securing today's indictment that charges Brendan Banfield with 648 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 13: aggravated murder and the use of a firearm in the 649 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 13: commission of a felony? 650 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 2: Was it worth it? Of course, he's innocent until proving 651 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: guilty under our constitution. Was it worth it just to 652 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 2: have sex with the babysitter under your wife's nose, because 653 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 2: now the baby girl mom. 654 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 3: Is dad and dad's behind bars awaiting trial. Is it true? 655 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 2: To Sierra Fox joining us on the case from the 656 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 2: very beginning that in court the husband the fed the 657 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 2: irs agent refused to even state he was married to 658 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 2: Christaine at the time she was killed. 659 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: One of my. 660 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 6: Flox Life colleagues was in the courtroom and they did 661 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 6: say that he just continued to plead the fifth exercising 662 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 6: his constitutional rate to remain silent to not potentially incriminate himself, 663 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 6: so he did not say anything during that hearing. 664 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 3: Take a listen to. 665 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,760 Speaker 11: Our Forensic Crime online Juliana Perez Magalise. The Banfield family 666 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,439 Speaker 11: au pair is charged with the death of Joseph Rime, 667 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 11: but not charged in the death of Christine. Banfield. Police 668 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 11: Chief Kevin Davis says the investigation is ongoing and he 669 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 11: expects to hold more than just one person accountable for 670 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 11: the crimes. Now. Brendan Banfield is charged with four counts 671 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 11: of aggravated murder and use of a firearm in the 672 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 11: commission of a felony. He's being held without bond. 673 00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 2: So the nanny, the babysitter, Juliana Perez macaliss is the 674 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 2: death of Joseph Ryan. 675 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 3: But two people were murdered. What about the mom, Sierra Fox, 676 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: who's charged in that. 677 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 6: Well, Brendan Banfield is facing several charges, including four counts 678 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 6: of aggravated murder and use of a firearm and commission 679 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 6: of a felony. And right when we heard this from 680 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 6: the Commonwealth's attorney, we were confused. 681 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 5: Why four counts? 682 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 6: Well, the reason is very technical and lawyery Nancy, as 683 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 6: a former prosecutor, you probably understand best. But essentially, the 684 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 6: aggravated murder statue in Virginia has multiple options to prove that, 685 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 6: and so when they look at that and plan to 686 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 6: present what they have, prosecutors just wanted to be able 687 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 6: to cover all their bases. 688 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 5: So the jury had options, I. 689 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 2: Say, charging in the alternative, like charging with murder one 690 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 2: and then charging with felony murder as an alternative murder charge. 691 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 3: I see what you mean. 692 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case, 693 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 2: no matter how slight LA law enforcement is built a 694 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: case now. Please call seven zero three two four six 695 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 2: seven eight hundred repeat seven zero three two four six 696 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 2: seven eight hundred two. People are dead and I want 697 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: to know why. 698 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 3: Good Night friend,