WEBVTT - Heidi Gardner 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.400 The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.880 It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.440 it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.760 on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me, 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.520 buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.400 see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.880 I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.120 you should at least know what's happening, and it is. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.120 The tour kicks off late September and goes through the 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.960 end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.440 the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour. They're available 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.720 at the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour or 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.080 at your local outlet in your region. My name is 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:49.879 Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.760 talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.120 My favorite cast member on Saturday Night Live right now 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:05.200 is Heidi Gardner. She's professional, she's very very funny, and 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.880 she's very very good at what she does. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:20.160 And she's here. Let's meet her enjoy. Here's the thing, Heidi. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.840 I want to tell you this right now. I think 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.880 Heidi is the nicest name for a girl. I've always 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.800 thought that, and if ever I had had a daughter, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.600 I would have coder Heidi. And I wondered if you 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.000 were raised in the Alps looking after sheep. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.840 I wasn't, but I did have a good relationship with 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.240 my grandpa, which I believe Heidi also had. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.000 So oh, that's right, I think. Did you did you 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.559 read the book Heidi when you were little? 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:48.400 Yeah? 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:52.880 I think I've read different iterations of Heidi, but it 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.720 always has to do with a grandpa, the Alps, some sheep. 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.560 Some sheep, and I think there's a vampire in one 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.960 of theisodes where Heidi meets Dracula. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.720 Yes, Heidi meets Dracula is my favorite version. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:06.520 You know. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.000 I'm in London right now, and I just walked by 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.880 Bram Stoker's house where he wrote where he wrote Dracula. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.280 And now I'm a bit scared. It's why it's on 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:16.120 my mind. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:17.600 I would be excited. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.680 Yeah, I'm excited and scared. It's a mixture of both. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:25.120 I'm excited. So let me are you in New York City? 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:25.919 I am. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.760 I think I can tell by your fashionable bag hanging 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:29.799 on the thing behind you. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.200 That might be the only thing I'll hear, the screaming 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:36.160 fashion are you? 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.320 Are you in production right now for SNL? 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.320 Yes, we have the fiftieth anniversary this weekend. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.880 Oh congratulations, and may I say fifty years on television? 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.760 You look great? Yeah, that's amazing. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.280 Did you see the movie, the new movie about fifty 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:56.680 the Saturday Night Live movie? 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:57.079 No? 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.840 OK, And it's only because I'm saving it till I 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:05.600 not currently taping SNL because it's just a little too close. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.040 You know. It's funny. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.960 It seems like I've over the years, I've run into 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.000 a lot of people who have either you know, current 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.680 or past cast members of SNL. And there is a 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.760 kind of you get to be part of a sort 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.440 of elite. You're part of the elite. Now do you 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.680 get like, is there a special roped off area of 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.000 clubs of New York if you're in SNL. 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:35.080 You know, if there is? I don't know about it. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.960 And it's my own fault. I'm from the Midwest. Yes, 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:44.640 and I think we're humble to a fault. And I 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.160 have been told by other cast members and I believe 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.480 this like in their life, and even former cast members 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.720 that you that they can walk into any restaurant in 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.640 New York and get a table, And I just have 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.640 never banked on that for one second in my life, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.920 or that there's a secret section. So I'm always making 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.600 a reservation. I'm never assuming I'm gonna go a special room. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.960 I think that's the correct way to go about it 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.400 because that shows the correct approach to show business, which 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.680 is you never know where your next shock of humility 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.919 is coming from. Yeah, but you're not even as old 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.039 as Saturday Night Live. Did you grow up watching it? 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.680 And who did you grow up watching and who were 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.240 the cast member? Because I assume you grew up watching it, 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:29.560 did you? 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:31.080 Yes? For sure? 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:36.200 And I remember my parents and I'm not sure you know. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.800 Obviously this is before YouTube and where you could rewatch 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.440 most things, but I think that my parents had some 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:48.080 of the early vhs because they showed me. They definitely 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.240 showed me Eddie Murphy as James Brown the Hot Tub 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.360 Time Machine, like that was the first sketch I ever saw. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.600 And then I would start watching it on Saturdays with them, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.039 and the first time I ever made my parents laugh 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.720 was doing or that I remember is doing an impression 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:11.040 of Dana Carvey doing an impression of Robin Leech and 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:11.680 so that. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:16.080 Was Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. Woah, that is 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.680 I God, I remember that. What's the So are you 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.560 from a show business family where you are your parents 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.080 involved and stuff like that? 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.599 No, they're definitely characters for sure, and they're like my 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.919 greatest source of inspiration. But my dad, my dad actually 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:38.320 did do improv for comedy sports, and so when I 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.880 was really little, i'd go and watch him perform that. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.160 I remember that comedy sports thing. Don Is that still 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:46.359 a thing to people still do that? 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.120 I do think it is. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.760 Yeah, Well it's kind of like competitive improv, Is that 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:52.280 what it is? 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:53.039 Yeah? 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.680 And like they would wear ref uniforms. That's what I 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:57.800 really remember from it. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:02.080 Yeah, but you were you were a groundlings along now, right, 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.040 So how did you get into that? 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:05.640 How did you end up doing improv? 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.680 Because that's an LA based or alien New York based, right. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:09.800 Yeah. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.240 So I moved to LA when I was twenty one, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.680 and I moved out there to do hair and makeup. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.440 I knew I wanted to like work in pop culture 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.279 in some way and I was good at doing hair, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.600 so I moved out there and I was working at 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:29.599 a salon for about five years and made friends with 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.680 a woman named Rachel who was in the ground LANs 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.400 and she said, you know, you should come to my 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.760 improv show tonight. I'm performing. And I'd heard of the 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.279 Groundlings for sure. I mean, I was obsessed with SNL 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.800 and pop culture and everything. I went and saw the 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.720 show and I was like, that's the funniest thing I've 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.880 ever seen. I can't wait for my family to visit 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.560 so I can bring them to see it. 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:52.360 And she was like. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.520 Yes, But also I was hoping that maybe it would 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.360 inspire you to, you know, take a class here and 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:01.400 I was like what, and she was like, I think 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.120 you'd be really good at this. And I was like, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.320 I'm not an actor and she was like yeah, but 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:10.000 you leave me like six minute voicemails in character and 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:11.160 they're funny. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.400 Yeah, that was kind of how that started. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.280 So you were because your hair is great. I didn't 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.280 want to bring it up right away, but your hair 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.600 is great. It looks like it's been done professionally. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.400 If you don't know it was done professionally, Yeah, yeah, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.280 because I did a movie once where I played a hairdresser. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.000 In order to do it properly, I learned to cut 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.680 hair a little bit and I really liked it. 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.360 That makes me so happy to hear that, because my 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.320 biggest grievance is a hairdresser is if you watch someone 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.920 playing a hairdresser, they don't hold the scissors correctly. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.000 And so I love your commitment to the craft. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.000 Yeah, but you didn't see the movie, did you. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:55.560 Now, you didn't see the movie, but. 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.560 I'm going to if you told me you did that. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.000 That is the best selling point. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:02.680 It was a movie called The Big Teas. 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.000 Nobody saw this movie and it was about a Scottish 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:10.240 hairdresser that goes to Los Angeles to take part in 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.840 the World Hairdressing Competition. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.040 Oh my god, the high jinks and sue. 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.760 But I learned how to cut hair a little bit 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.200 and I really liked it, and I thought, I kind 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.720 of wish I'd done this instead of getting into show business, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.000 but by then it was too late. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:29.000 Yeah, I mean, I always think it's a good you know, 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.320 it's a good thing to go back to. I really 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.800 enjoyed it, and it was also a place where I 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.080 was meeting so many people every day, different types of people. Yeah, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.960 but also was a good source of inspiration. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.480 And also and also gossip in Hollywood. I mean, it 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:48.240 is the absolute hive of all things. If you want 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:52.480 to know anything, you you would hear everything, and you 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.240 still went into show business. 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:55.679 You know. 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.480 It's funny when I told my clients when I finally 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.440 quit the salon, I never told them I had this 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.400 like side, I don't even want to call it side hustle, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.320 because it was I was doing everything for free, just 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:11.000 this side obsession with sketch and improv. And when I 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.880 told them, you know, I'm leaving the salon, and they're like, oh, well, 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.000 what salon are you going to? If it's close, I'll 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.480 follow you. And I was like, no, I'm I'm I'm 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.000 going to pursue comedy. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:24.959 And because I didn't. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.440 Consider myself an actor either, and they were like, are 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.720 you funny, It's like I think I am. And they're like, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.160 don't do this, Like you moved out here. You did 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.680 the reverse of what people typically do. You moved out 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.559 here like to be a hairdresser, and you made it 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.800 like don't now do the cliche thing like they very 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:44.600 much told me. 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.520 Not to do I think the good thing about show 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.439 business though, was as a kind of as a place 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.120 to work on. One of the good things about it 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.200 is the fact that there are no really set paths, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.080 except except maybe something like Saturday Night Live. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:00.920 If you're if you lucky enough to. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.640 Get into that, then that's kind of like you get 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.960 you get the rubber stamp. It's like the Ivy League 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.200 of Comedians. How long we have you been doing it? 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:11.400 Like six years or something? 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:12.200 Eight years? 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:13.200 Eight years? 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:15.040 Yeah, in my eighth season. 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.360 Do you still like enjoy it? 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.120 Yeah? I do. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.560 I love playing characters, so I can't really imagine a 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.800 world where I'm going to get. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.040 To do this to this degree again, right. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.480 I will say the only thing that I've started to 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:36.840 feel a little bit is just sketch fatigue or idea fatigue, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.599 in the way that at this point, after doing Groundlings 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.840 and SNL for so long, I'm like, I've written a 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.520 lot of sketches, and you know, you just get scared 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.280 and it does happen some weeks where I'm like, I 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.400 do not have an idea for a sketch, a game, 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.760 or a character, And then you know, luckily we have 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.320 amazing writers at the show that will be like, but 0:10:58.440 --> 0:10:59.480 I have an idea for you. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.160 That's all. Only thing that starts has gotten a little tough. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.480 How does the week get put together for Saturday Night Live? 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.600 Do you start? You start on a Tuesday or something? 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:08.080 Is that right? 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.120 Or yeah, we do go in on Monday. It's just 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.600 for a couple hours. You meet the host, you pitch 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.280 them a joke, sketch. It's just kind of an icebreaker. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:23.559 And then Tuesday is riding Night, Wednesday, table read Thursday, 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.240 Friday or the rehearsals and when we tape the pre 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.440 tape sketches, and then Saturday rehearsal day, dress, rehearsal, show, 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:31.480 after party. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.240 The after party is part of the day, is that 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:35.959 you have to go to the after party. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.160 You know you don't have to, but I think, out 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.280 of respect for the show and the party and the 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.360 thing you just created that week, it's good to let 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:50.440 off some steam with everyone. Occasionally I've not gone, and 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.960 then I regret it because it's like you have so 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.040 much adrenaline pumping three that if you just go home 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:56.600 and try to go. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:57.760 To bed, it's not going to happen. 0:11:58.160 --> 0:11:58.800 That's funny. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.079 I kind of I used to always party after a 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.400 shore or do something after a show. And now I'm like, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.440 I can leave a theater. I'm out of the theater 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.480 before the audience. I'm in my bed in a hotel 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:17.680 half an hour later, lights out, socks on, pajamas and sleeping. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.720 It's funny because adrenaline I always thought as a performer, 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.480 I thought you needed it, And now I think it's 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.719 the enemy. I hate adrenaline on stage. I like, I 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.240 don't like to feel kind of nervous. I like, do 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.559 you do You still get kind of charged before you 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:35.280 you work? 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.880 I get charged, but you know, to tell you the truth, 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:45.400 the charge is all adrenaline and anxiety and untruths. You know. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.280 It's just even when if I'm going to perform, you know, 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.480 I'll perform at like a local theater or do a 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.880 show at a college, and all suddenly before I go 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.560 out to this new crowd of people think that they're 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:01.600 going to hate me. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:04.679 I think that's normal. 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:06.560 Yeah, and it is. 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.080 It's just adrenaline and anxiety and you know, And so 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.760 I'm used to just like having that thought saying this 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.360 is how you think, but it's probably not true. And 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.680 you're a people pleaser, so you're still going to go 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:20.480 do this thing? 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:21.960 Yeah, oh yeah. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.319 It's also it's funny. I remember working with an old comedian. 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.439 It's not that long ago, actually, and I was working 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.600 with an older comedian who you would know, and I 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.559 was like pacing up and down backstage and all that stuff, 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.280 and he was like sitting in a chair and he 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.840 was like, he said, well, what are you doing? I said, 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.719 you know, I'm just kind of getting myself ready for 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.760 what Who's this for? But so that all this posturing 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.280 backstage is just going to make you speak too fast? 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.480 Yeah, and it kind of does. It's true. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.960 I stopped doing it, and I feel like in the 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.480 past few years I've gotten much better the job because 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:58.160 I just like, I just go and if they hate me, 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.520 well that's fine. Be surprised though, because they know I'm 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.720 there so they could avoid me. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.080 Yes, they didn't have to buy the tic. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.520 They didn't have to buy the ticket. They actually they 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.840 know who you are. They've come to see you, and 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:17.200 they've come to see you probably because they like you. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:18.920 You know, I'm not saying there might not be a 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.360 crazy loaner in there somewhere who hates you and that's 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:21.960 why they're there. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.280 But I don't think there's that many of them. Maybe 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:26.040 I'm wrong. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.880 The way that your generation is now with performance, though 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.920 there's much more connection I think with the audience in 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:46.040 digital form. Then I my people of my generation and 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.360 even you know, I kind of separate myself from that 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:50.880 a little bit. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.280 I mean, I have social media, but I don't do it. 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.040 Someone else does it, and I occasionally will go on 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:56.840 and look at it and. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.440 Go ah and go away. Do you have all that? 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.800 Do you have all the Instagram and the twigs and everything. 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.840 I have an Instagram, but you know, I run my 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.760 Instagram the same way. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.760 I even saying run my Instagram. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:16.520 I just do my Instagram the same way I did 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.040 it before SNL, which was just like posting pictures and 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:24.960 stories for my friends for the most part, and I 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.360 think I did come around right before it was more 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.640 of like a necessary thing to post so much content. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.920 I think if I hadn't gotten SNL, I would have 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.280 needed that release one hundred percent and would have done 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.840 that more. But I am able to get a lot 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.680 of stuff out on the show, and I just have 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:49.120 never found my gear on a social platform in a 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:50.200 way where I want to. 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.120 Be that vulnerable. You know. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:52.960 Yeah. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:58.400 I think also What Happens SNL is famously produced, but 0:15:58.440 --> 0:15:59.720 I don't know if it's still on a day to 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.920 day basis produced by Laurene Michaels, is it? 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:03.400 Yeah? All right? 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.280 Because Lauren is like one of the great comedy producers 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.800 of all time. And I think that the thing that 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:14.040 people suffer from on social media, on the phones and 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.040 stuff like that is that they don't have a producer. 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.960 They don't have someone saying, you know, what would be 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.840 better about this joke is if you didn't do this 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.440 joke and maybe did a different joke that wouldn't make 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.520 everybody mad or make you look like an asshole or 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.320 something like that, you know what I mean. It's like 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.160 I feel like the role of the producer is removed, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.200 the creative producer is removed from a lot of people's 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.640 Instagram And I think the people who are successful in 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.320 social media are people who have a producer's instinct themselves. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.080 They understand, you know, I'll do this, And like if 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:56.480 you look at influencers even like that, like the royal 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:01.600 family of the Kardashians, they're all produced, they all think 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.199 like producers. They all have a kind of do you 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.560 have that do you think, do you do you censor 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.640 yourself or think about it or do you let you know, 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.959 you let the show do it and relax. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.639 And that I mean you. I assume you trust Lauren 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:18.800 and give you the right advice. 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.520 Yeah, I do trust his advice. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.480 And at this point, I feel like, yes, I know 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:29.360 how to self edit. I know typically what the show's 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.240 going to respond to or not respond to, even to 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.800 just get it onto the show, like table read. What 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.480 I do like is the freedom of once the new 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:43.840 part is the live audience. So once I'm performing it 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.240 live in front of the audience and on. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:47.840 TV, I do like that. 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.879 That feels like, you know, I'm just like, belts are 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.440 off and I'm just going for it. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:54.120 I love that. 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.439 But because we've had rewrite tables and we've edited so 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.600 much of it to that point, I'm like, oh, I 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.280 have I have the time to be a little crazier, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.479 you know, or to take my time because we've already 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.280 cut it down. The only thing I will say is 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.760 I totally agree with that point that you're making. But 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.200 I was at a concert recently where the performer brought 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.720 out another act and what I was watching was certainly 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:24.920 something that had not been rehearsed. You know. The woman 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.520 performing was just pretty loose in her dance and singing, like, 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.360 and even the other dancers were like they weren't sure 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.199 where to stand or catch her. And I thought, I 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.040 was like, oh my god, I would never be able 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.000 to go up there and do I can tell this, 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.680 Like someone went out and like marked this for maybe 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:47.480 two minutes. But they were fine and the audience was fine, 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.280 and they still had confidence. And I was like, that's 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.040 interesting because I don't trust that at all and I 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.440 could never do it, but it was nice to see 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:00.439 one someone just be experimental. It didn't really work for me, 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.960 but I was like that, that's cool to have that 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:08.440 confidence because now I'm so like, you know, produced. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:13.119 Well, you make an interesting point, because I when I work, 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.639 I don't have a rehearsed show. Even when I was 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.960 doing Late Night, I didn't have a like I would 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.920 turn up. Honestly, in the last like four or five 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.639 years of it, I turn up like fifteen minutes before 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.439 and then we go and then that was it. And 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.960 you know, and I would look at some ideas, but 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.200 I think that's repetition of I know what I do. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.960 Even so you experiment within the parameters of what you do. Like, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.680 I know the robot is over there, the horses over there. 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:42.760 I know if I say fuck, they're going to get mad. 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.800 But if I say asshole, they won't get that mad. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.240 And you know, it's like you build a kind of 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.680 a little box that you can experiment within. Yes, I 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.000 think what would be difficult now in that environment? And 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.800 I mean, Lauren clearly knows how Saturday Night Live works. 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.880 I think if I were doing a show now, I'd 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:04.640 be like, I don't know what the rules are now, 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:06.960 I don't know the joke that I said last week 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:11.840 might be annoying. Everything moves very quickly, and you can 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.840 step over lines that are still the paint is still fresh. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.359 You know, they're like, I didn't know that was a problem. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:20.800 Why is that a problem? And it has to be 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.040 explained to you? And I do you find that in 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.560 the time you've been on the show that you have 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.480