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Speaker 2: Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode
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Speaker 1: Yo Yo Yo, what up? This is Fante Fantigolo.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take it back to December fourteen, twenty sixteen with.
Speaker 3: My big brother Pete Chocolate Boy Wonder. The number one
Speaker 3: soul brother, producer, rapper, hip hop legend. Pete Rock told
Speaker 3: us about his deep knowledge of music recording and the
Speaker 3: art of sampling. My man Smoke Gizza joins him on
Speaker 3: this one. I think he says like one word can.
Speaker 3: He was just like overwhelmed with all the lyricshuit we
Speaker 3: were talking. But anyway, this is a great episode.
Speaker 2: Pete Rock one of my biggest influences, the reason why
Speaker 2: I quit my fucking job.
Speaker 1: QLs classic Pete Rock. Let's go.
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Speaker 6: Roll bill is here. Yeah, so have no fear. Yeah,
Speaker 6: very down to earth. Yeah, and I didn't have to curse.
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Speaker 1: My name is Pete Rock.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Sometimes I rap yeah, no times I sing yeah, Ding Ding.
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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another edition of Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 1: This Quest Love. Welcome to Team Supreme. How you guys doing.
Speaker 1: We're good? Baby, we should here, uh right now we
Speaker 1: are with Oh we got two special guests.
Speaker 2: Actually this is our first combo Yeah combo show that
Speaker 2: we've done a revolution.
Speaker 1: Well revolution was like that was like a special news
Speaker 1: super Bowl, Yeah, breaking news.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like a very special episode of an
Speaker 3: eighty six.
Speaker 1: Yes, but they talked about child abuse. Everyone of these
Speaker 1: things are doubly a special difference.
Speaker 6: When he was in there in the shot with that
Speaker 6: ship could never get aired at least doing ads for Uber. Now, yeah,
Speaker 6: I saw it was on I saw on Facebook. He's
Speaker 6: in an ad for Uber.
Speaker 1: How do you know this? It was on Facebook?
Speaker 2: Like did you spot Oh that's Dudley just someone somebody
Speaker 2: else saw. Anyway, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Smoke does it and they one and only Pete Rock
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, so we're going to get into everything
Speaker 2: nerd out. I mean, Pete, this is as as as
Speaker 2: a person obsessed with music. I love picking the brain
Speaker 2: of of just someone who is majorly, majorly, majorly majorly
Speaker 2: obsessed with music. So this is this is an honor
Speaker 2: for us. Oh God, bless man, you know. Privilege.
Speaker 1: All right, So, uh, Pete, welcome to uh the show.
Speaker 2: It's my first time on your show.
Speaker 1: I think this is our first time.
Speaker 2: Like's I don't feel like a veteran until we get
Speaker 2: to episode one, yeah to you know till that time,
Speaker 2: it'll be around. Man, I don't even know where to start.
Speaker 3: So man, I would start with I've told the story before,
Speaker 3: but I've never told him.
Speaker 1: You're the reason I quit my job. You told me
Speaker 1: that everyone. That's a job story.
Speaker 3: He's the reason I quit my job. So, d what
Speaker 3: song was it that made you like? Well, it wasn't
Speaker 3: a song. It was a phone call. It was a
Speaker 3: phone call. And this is back in two thousand and
Speaker 3: two when we hit the listening had just it hadn't
Speaker 3: come out, come out, but it was kind of just
Speaker 3: selling on hip hop site and it was just kind
Speaker 3: of circulating. And our homeboy, Darryl Powell worked the Up
Speaker 3: Above Records, called my house and left. He had Pete
Speaker 3: on three way and called my house and left the message,
Speaker 3: and Pete like, Yo, what up his little brother? You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Chuck Boy wanted to Pete Rock
Speaker 3: got to get you all on the piece of my album.
Speaker 3: I got your album listen that's crazy, And I quit
Speaker 3: my job at Belt that very next day.
Speaker 9: Because he said your album was crazy.
Speaker 2: Pete was crazy and it was even more of content
Speaker 2: from Circle because I told you before too.
Speaker 3: My and I was in tenth grade. This is when
Speaker 3: main ingredient came out. A girl that went to my
Speaker 3: high school named Deborah Jones. She was in a poetry
Speaker 3: contest and the winner of the poetry contest got a
Speaker 3: performance from Pete and cl. Wait what this is? I
Speaker 3: sweart Page High School, Greensboro Final. She she wanted a
Speaker 3: poetry contest and she read the poem. I don't even
Speaker 3: remember what the poem was about.
Speaker 1: What does she win? She want?
Speaker 3: Well, she want a poetry contest and it was like
Speaker 3: a poem. It was like a black poem about a
Speaker 3: black issue. I don't remember what the issue was, but
Speaker 3: I just remember Pete and cl came out fucking school.
Speaker 1: That was all the matter was. And then they got
Speaker 1: to performance.
Speaker 2: The winner of the poetry contest got a performance by
Speaker 2: pet and CL at their.
Speaker 10: School like a radio promotion.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready. It was something.
Speaker 2: I don't know who was doing it, but obviously he
Speaker 2: was in February, but Mayy greed it came out.
Speaker 1: It was winter time. I don't think it was.
Speaker 3: Cold because it was during track season, because I remember
Speaker 3: I was late to track practice because I was in
Speaker 3: the front and I had my Meccan No, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I had the main Ingredient CD, and I remember holding
Speaker 3: it up, and I remember you came to the side
Speaker 3: of you're one.
Speaker 1: Of those guys that hold up the record.
Speaker 2: I held up the record because I knew I was
Speaker 2: at like a predominantly white high school. But like it
Speaker 2: was like said maybe like seventy thirty, sixty forty, but
Speaker 2: like it was a lot of white people, but like
Speaker 2: the black people we had were like black?
Speaker 1: How many how many people? How many fans black? Yo?
Speaker 1: How many people could fit in the auditorium? Oh? Man?
Speaker 1: All the term it was a couple of hundred. It
Speaker 1: was like this, four or five hundred. See, this is
Speaker 1: my worst nightmare doing in my career.
Speaker 2: The high school visit is my worst nightmare because this
Speaker 2: is never ever worked out. It only worked out once,
Speaker 2: and that's because me and gave a gangload of money.
Speaker 1: To our high school. The only time ever worked out.
Speaker 3: But so p Rock and Sales Moove came to your
Speaker 3: high school. Came high school and what year was this?
Speaker 3: This is ninety five. This is main Ingredient hit like
Speaker 3: just came out.
Speaker 1: Man. You guys were receptive oh my god. It was
Speaker 1: losing it, dude.
Speaker 2: So I have nightmares, like my first time in a
Speaker 2: in a school scenario.
Speaker 1: You know, the first question.
Speaker 2: Was asked, do you know real famous people like Andre?
Speaker 9: I'm sorry?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, kids, Yeah, yeah, you're that all day? Uh
Speaker 2: this was like two thousands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah I was. I was.
Speaker 8: That's my stuff, Yeah, stuff, real famous. My daughter asked
Speaker 8: me finding new Kendrick Lamar? Oh yeah, she loves Kendrick.
Speaker 2: Well that's excusable, but I mean she knows who daddy is, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course she does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the point.
Speaker 9: But what was your answer?
Speaker 2: You my son too, what was your answer?
Speaker 9: Do you know Kendrin Lamar?
Speaker 1: No? I don't know Kenrick.
Speaker 5: I just want to know, do you go? You know
Speaker 5: Kendren Lamar knows me? That's the bigger point.
Speaker 8: That they know each other. Yeah, but he probably knew
Speaker 8: me first. How old are that now? How old are
Speaker 8: kids now?
Speaker 1: My kids eleven and seventeen?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I remember I was around the same
Speaker 2: age mine or fifteen and eleven six.
Speaker 1: We're around were around the same way.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, But yeah, but he came out to school that
Speaker 3: day tenth grade and I remember I was late to
Speaker 3: drag practice because I gave him, which I hope in
Speaker 3: prayer to God he had never heard. I had a
Speaker 3: homie work in all TC that was like outside the
Speaker 3: dressing room, and I was like, yo, mane to tape
Speaker 3: the peak and I made like the whackest fucking demo ever.
Speaker 8: But you know what, all our demos were whacking begin
Speaker 8: either mine really terrible. Really my beat making was horrible.
Speaker 8: But I mean, you know, at least to me, that's
Speaker 8: what I.
Speaker 1: Want to know, and that's to you. That's because I
Speaker 1: were at your crib.
Speaker 2: You played me some stuff from like early and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: this sh.
Speaker 8: Is oh got a lot of that stuff for real
Speaker 8: old from the twelve every day.
Speaker 2: I still like, all right, so there's like no feeling
Speaker 2: in the world. There's a period I'll say, like like
Speaker 2: ninety six, ninety seven, maybe ninety or not ninety five
Speaker 2: ninety six, because actually Pete was the first hip hop
Speaker 2: like celebrity or royalty that made music.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no no.
Speaker 2: I just mean like that kicked it with us now
Speaker 2: the roots, I mean, because we instantly moved to London
Speaker 2: for like two to three years. We really didn't bust
Speaker 2: it out with none of our like contemporaries or whatever.
Speaker 2: But like when we came back, I remember we met
Speaker 2: you at a college and that was the first time
Speaker 2: like I felt like, oh, like legitimate, not like I
Speaker 2: don't even want to use me for me anymore, but
Speaker 2: you know, I'm going with this. It was in Philly,
Speaker 2: nah we it was Holy Jesus, this was in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it was a people. It was It was
Speaker 1: a peak rock roots show.
Speaker 2: It was like a it was like a homecoming thing.
Speaker 2: But because the promotion was a little messed up. We
Speaker 2: were in a big giant stadium, but there was.
Speaker 1: Only like many people, sixty people. Was like, U and
Speaker 1: C was it? Duke? Was it? All I can say
Speaker 1: was I definitely know was nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to look that up, because you know,
Speaker 2: by this point, I was like, damn, like we like
Speaker 2: we really didn't start meeting our heroes in hip hop
Speaker 2: and contemporaries and hip hop till like ninety seven, ninety eight.
Speaker 2: So to go from like ninety two to ninety seven
Speaker 2: with a complete drought of not knowing any Wu Tang
Speaker 2: members any like nobody in hip hop crazy and so
Speaker 2: that's what I remember. But the other part of that
Speaker 2: story is the fact that I'll say that between you
Speaker 2: and the Whip, that you had always playing beats in
Speaker 2: the car like him and Premiere.
Speaker 1: Are always always known.
Speaker 2: Premiere was known for his van like Cats would call
Speaker 2: it Premiere to bring his van, to bring his van
Speaker 2: to the studio to test it. I'm one of those
Speaker 2: people for him too, like always just sitting in the
Speaker 2: passenger seat, listen to listen to it.
Speaker 3: Do you still test records like that, Peet, It's still
Speaker 3: the car test. I have to because I am too.
Speaker 3: I'm the same way I have to.
Speaker 8: I'm from the old school, so you know, hey, you
Speaker 8: know or the true school people say, but yeah, that
Speaker 8: was one of the things we did. We make about
Speaker 8: ten twenty thirty beats in the crib. Then you know,
Speaker 8: when you come out, you just get in the whip
Speaker 8: and drive around New York City and buy about So
Speaker 8: how old were you do that with Big L in
Speaker 8: the call one time? Really just behind the court, me
Speaker 8: and Harlem chilling Bronx. He's riding around free styling to
Speaker 8: my beach wow cassettes. Yeah, I had you know, cassettes
Speaker 8: was cracking. I had the Benzi you know you take
Speaker 8: the Benzi box.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, take care you know the music.
Speaker 8: You could turn the bass notes like you know, the
Speaker 8: Mega hurts up or down in my car, And when
Speaker 8: you turned it down it sounded so loud coming down
Speaker 8: the block. And then when you turned it up it
Speaker 8: was it was kind of like off, but you still
Speaker 8: heard the effect.
Speaker 2: I love my car. That was a crazy system in there.
Speaker 2: That must have been pre Juliani, like Everson post Giuliani.
Speaker 2: New York has been a very quiet, like the idea
Speaker 2: of a loud car. I'm one of those guys like
Speaker 2: look at people like shaking my head, turn that music down.
Speaker 2: So how how old were you when you I know
Speaker 2: that you started record collected at a young age. What
Speaker 2: what got you into just records?
Speaker 1: My pops?
Speaker 8: You know, just you know, I was young, like say
Speaker 8: three four years old, just intrigued by a little round
Speaker 8: piece of wax with with good sound coming off it.
Speaker 8: So I was, you know at that time, that's all
Speaker 8: I knew what it was. And then I would go
Speaker 8: in the living room and my pops had all his records,
Speaker 8: all his forty fives, and one time he came home
Speaker 8: from work and he seen me stacking his forty fives
Speaker 8: up in a pile like like this, and then he
Speaker 8: just sat there and told me what it was and
Speaker 8: taught me about it.
Speaker 2: And you know, so he was never there's no whooping.
Speaker 8: I'm like, I mean, no whipping. But you know, he
Speaker 8: scolded me and then he taught me, oh yeah, because
Speaker 8: I wasn't allowed to touch nah, I mean I did
Speaker 8: you know that wasn't the right thing to do to
Speaker 8: me messing with his records. But I was a young kid,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: My worst punishment came after the Adventures a grand Master
Speaker 2: Flash on the wheels is steal. Oh wow, like hearing
Speaker 2: that even trying to scratch getting caught in the summer
Speaker 2: of eighty one, the worst thing ever. Yeah, Flash drove
Speaker 2: me crazy as a kid. So he like, was your
Speaker 2: father DJ? Or he just collected record? Yeah, DJ DJ
Speaker 2: and record collect Where would he? Where did he cricket player?
Speaker 1: You know? You know, Matt cricket trophies?
Speaker 9: Really because both of your parents Jamaica, right, Yeah, so
Speaker 9: you had all kinds of music.
Speaker 8: Did reggae, classical, soul, funk, jazz especially, and you know
Speaker 8: but reggae being that with Jamaican.
Speaker 1: So but he had everything. So as a youngster, like
Speaker 1: what what was playing.
Speaker 2: In James Brown all day?
Speaker 8: JB's James Brown, Bobby Bird, you know, Barry White and
Speaker 8: all the usual usual stuff, Barry White, Isaac. You know, yeah,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: All right, So besides the the ABC's of breakfeasts, like
Speaker 2: what's the what's an unusual break beat? Like a joint
Speaker 2: that I would have to pay two hundred dollars for that?
Speaker 2: You like, Oh, I grew up on disco tech soul,
Speaker 2: I've had that.
Speaker 1: Oh like what rare break? Did your dad just happen
Speaker 1: to have that?
Speaker 2: Well, he had all of that stuff.
Speaker 8: I mean he had all the Coon and Gang, he
Speaker 8: had all the James Brown, he had all the Isaac,
Speaker 8: he had all of like reggae joints that have break
Speaker 8: beats on him.
Speaker 6: You also have to remember that a lot of those
Speaker 6: records got inflated in price because of that man right there.
Speaker 6: We're going to get to it's we're going to get
Speaker 6: to that that dig today and I just look at
Speaker 6: the prices like wow, for reminists, Tom Scott, Tom's got
Speaker 6: I've seen that joint for like a thousand dollars.
Speaker 8: Serious, Wow, you know I'm not I'm lying to you not. Yeah,
Speaker 8: even dealers stuff that I find. Oh yeah, yeah, a
Speaker 8: lot of money for it.
Speaker 2: I was going to say that, Yeah, that record shopping
Speaker 2: and the adventures of you record shopping is crazy.
Speaker 1: So what point does this.
Speaker 2: Become a thing where you want to actually did he
Speaker 2: have DJ equipment or just like a record collection?
Speaker 8: He had DJ equipment, But when I was like three
Speaker 8: four years old, he had the one turntable with the
Speaker 8: McIntosh amps and these these speakers that and you know.
Speaker 1: Just a whole McIntosh household. Yeah, that was rare, especially
Speaker 1: for a black family. Yeah.
Speaker 8: He had the black with the green lights, you know,
Speaker 8: the black amp with the green lights and now yeah
Speaker 8: electric lad Yeah yeah, those amps are incredible right now.
Speaker 1: To get a Macintosh system now is rare. It's rare.
Speaker 1: It's a house payment. Yeah, it's very rare. And you're
Speaker 1: gonna pay.
Speaker 2: You're gonna pay an pay a thirty forty like so
Speaker 2: good yep, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: You grew up in the So he was a serious record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, serious with sound, very serious.
Speaker 1: Very serious.
Speaker 9: Is he still is that still with us?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, he left us in two thousands.
Speaker 9: So he was here long enough to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's seen reminiscs.
Speaker 1: He's seen obviously his collection became your collection.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, so it's in my mother's basement, and you
Speaker 8: know he left the records with me and my brother.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I see it's a lot. That's how I started my
Speaker 2: collection from his.
Speaker 1: All right, So at what point do you does this
Speaker 1: become a profession? Probably mm hmm.
Speaker 8: You know when I got this job and Steady gigs out?
Speaker 8: Does it start in the park like it started start
Speaker 8: a young age. Now, this is Mount Vernon, right, you
Speaker 8: were born up there. Yeah, I was buying like you know,
Speaker 8: twelve inches sucking. See, he's all the you know, King
Speaker 8: Tim the Third, all that stuff, Fat Boys, all that
Speaker 8: stuff on Suture records.
Speaker 2: And so was there hip hop folklore as far as
Speaker 2: like the folklore we hear about parties in the Bronx
Speaker 2: and stuff like what is what is Mount Vernon's version
Speaker 2: of that legends that you grew up.
Speaker 8: Watching like my cousin Floyd Chiba M and DJ Speed
Speaker 8: and Bomb two and have you know, everybody had different
Speaker 8: names at the time. My name wasn't Pete Rock. He's
Speaker 8: name wasn't Heavy d c L's name wasn't CL's move.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. Everybody took on different names.
Speaker 8: But you know, you know when he started everything, you know,
Speaker 8: he was the first artist to start rapping and you know,
Speaker 8: actually trying to make a record and get.
Speaker 2: Signed from Mount Vernon. Yeah, and then we just followed him. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And you know it started
Speaker 2: for me early man, early age.
Speaker 1: So who's the one that like.
Speaker 8: My cousin well Eddie f had had showed me how
Speaker 8: to work it, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 8: I picked up tips from like everybody I was around,
Speaker 8: from Teddy Riley to to Molly mal Large professor.
Speaker 1: You know, so Tedy could get busy on the S
Speaker 1: twelve hundred.
Speaker 8: I've seen it in the studio. Really, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 8: he used it for something that I.
Speaker 2: Was about to sake, because like now you don't think
Speaker 2: of him using ASP like he's not.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but that was something that I married, you know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. I just you know, oh, aeskub twelve hundred,
Speaker 8: because I remember the twelve before the twelve hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you ever use the twelve? Yeah?
Speaker 8: I used the twelve and the separate hard drive, and
Speaker 8: I was just doing kicking snare beats with little rim
Speaker 8: shot sounds.
Speaker 1: And you know how many seconds could a twelve hole? Not?
Speaker 1: Man like? It was like ten right? Ten? No?
Speaker 8: No, that's the twelve hundred was ten point two. It
Speaker 8: was like five seconds. Yeah, so the twelve was less.
Speaker 1: Put everything in forty five? Yeah, speed up.
Speaker 8: Well on the twelve you did that, but well, how okay,
Speaker 8: here's the secret.
Speaker 1: I'm about to let you out. You know the secret.
Speaker 8: Okay, with the twelve hundred, right, I would sample what
Speaker 8: I needed to sample, whether it was the baseline, whatever
Speaker 8: time I used up drums baseline, If it was just
Speaker 8: those two, then I would, you know, get that right
Speaker 8: right tight?
Speaker 1: K that? Then save it right, then.
Speaker 8: Erase it whoa, then erase the baseline out of the drums,
Speaker 8: and then add more music in the drums.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 8: I wasn't doing the forty five trick yet, oh you
Speaker 8: just yeah, I wasn't doing that. I wasn't putting records
Speaker 8: on forty five to get all what I need. No,
Speaker 8: I was just getting it regular. Why I don't know.
Speaker 8: It was just the way I learned, and it was
Speaker 8: the hard to me. Now that I look at what
Speaker 8: I did, I'm like, damn, that's a lot of work
Speaker 8: I did. Yeah, like super extra crazy you use like
Speaker 8: a nine hundred or.
Speaker 1: But I didn't care.
Speaker 2: I was I had. I was having fun. So when
Speaker 2: you're having fun, you know, you're not thinking about you know,
Speaker 2: none of that.
Speaker 3: And just to give the listeners some perspective, I mean,
Speaker 3: this is like when you talk about sampling records and
Speaker 3: sampling time for a machine, I mean the twelve point
Speaker 3: so we had ten seconds to sample whatever you want.
Speaker 8: So sometimes I got the whole like the world is
Speaker 8: yours got the whole loop and one you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying, didn't have to you know, erase, but reminisce.
Speaker 8: I had to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because you were like one of the
Speaker 2: first producers.
Speaker 3: I remember that would layer samples and all of it
Speaker 3: would be in key, and I was like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Doing this ship.
Speaker 8: But if you notice, if you listen, not that wasn't
Speaker 8: like that at first. I used to just sample whatever
Speaker 8: out of key.
Speaker 1: I ain't care.
Speaker 8: I'll just I learned that from sitting in bomb Squad sessions,
Speaker 8: and I was, you know, just watching the Ice Cube
Speaker 8: album Go Down Dog.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, you can't just say that like America.
Speaker 8: I was watching Hanking and Keith and that and that.
Speaker 8: I picked that up, you know, listening to Public Enemy.
Speaker 8: Of course, you just sit in on sessions.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Green Street we worked in the same studio Green Street.
Speaker 1: Was Jamie was he engineering that? James? He was Jamie.
Speaker 8: I met Jamie and Chun King and then that's how
Speaker 8: I mean Jamie hooked up. Then I met Rod Way,
Speaker 8: who's an agent cat engineer in Green Street. I was
Speaker 8: working with Rod first.
Speaker 1: So during those Bomb Squad sessions. How old were you.
Speaker 2: At that time, seventeen eighteen and your first record you
Speaker 2: produced was.
Speaker 1: Goofy Chill Starting from Zero.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And I didn't know what I
Speaker 2: was doing in the studio, and some but me and
Speaker 2: Jamie wasn't was arguing a lot, and you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 1: Make this sound like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I was just trying to get it
Speaker 8: the way, you know, the way I made it at home,
Speaker 8: and it wasn't working out. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 8: you know, it started working out.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And then next thing you know,
Speaker 2: I'm at another session using Amy and then next thing
Speaker 2: you know, we developed you started yelling.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in the beginning, were you one of the cats
Speaker 2: like back when I'm like, like I ever had a
Speaker 2: beat making period, it was a period like cats on
Speaker 2: no but like yeah right, but you know, cats would
Speaker 2: just come over with a bunch of records to me
Speaker 2: and be like, all right, now, loot this part here,
Speaker 2: that part there.
Speaker 1: So was that like your beginnings, you would.
Speaker 2: I had very few people that did that.
Speaker 8: But I remember a story that Biz told me that
Speaker 8: he used to, you know, give Molly records and Molly
Speaker 8: would hook up.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 8: That's how nobody buss Nobody used to Biz happened a
Speaker 8: couple of the joints. But yeah, I barely did that.
Speaker 8: I was just I was just cranking them out, man,
Speaker 8: just you know, having fun, you know what I'm saying. Like, So,
Speaker 8: how many hours a day would you all day wouldn't
Speaker 8: come all right.
Speaker 2: From your from your first time that you like were
Speaker 2: trying to get a master?
Speaker 1: How many hours would you invest in date.
Speaker 8: Locked in my room from morning until I could start,
Speaker 8: until I until I got tired and then get up
Speaker 8: and do it again.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So how long was it until you were like until
Speaker 2: I started, as I might I might have something here?
Speaker 8: Like how long did I think I was like nineteen
Speaker 8: when I was like like starting to lock in, because
Speaker 8: that's when I got to shut him down.
Speaker 1: Job. Now that's not before that.
Speaker 8: I was doing like, you know, remixes with Eddie F
Speaker 8: and stuff, Johnny Gill, Basic.
Speaker 1: Black you did, Alexander, I did that.
Speaker 2: I got Yeah, I got ye in the middle and
Speaker 2: then uh, we'll see il wrapped on it. I wrapped
Speaker 2: on it and then you know the remixes. That's where
Speaker 2: it started.
Speaker 8: And then when that's I guess, you know, being as
Speaker 8: that my name was attached to a lot of this stuff,
Speaker 8: untouchables or whatever, and I got I got it.
Speaker 2: I got a public enemy job. So the Untouchables was
Speaker 2: kind of your version of the bomb squad kind of
Speaker 2: who was something else?
Speaker 8: It was me Eddie F, Dave Hall Neville novelle, Yeah, ye,
Speaker 8: my man, my man Kenny, my man Kenny was in
Speaker 8: Kenny Green Yeah, spunk, bigger cat from Mount Vernon. And
Speaker 8: and that's it, I think. And my man Willie Willie
Speaker 8: from from from like eight of y'all Willie Gunns, my
Speaker 8: man Willy Guns.
Speaker 1: So when working on a heavy D record, like do
Speaker 1: y'all just sit in the room.
Speaker 8: And buy that it wasn't all of us all the time.
Speaker 8: Like Dave Hall would do his own beats and then
Speaker 8: like for instance, you know the group intro, come on,
Speaker 8: you know I did you know ghosts?
Speaker 1: So you did that? Let me be the one you
Speaker 1: gave him. I did that.
Speaker 8: I did that first on on with them always have wait, no, no, no,
Speaker 8: it was yeah, I think I can't remember it.
Speaker 2: Was it was it was had first because Blue Funk
Speaker 2: was ninety two, yeah, and then Intro.
Speaker 1: Was ninety three. It was the next Yeah.
Speaker 8: So when when when Yeah, when they heard heavy, when
Speaker 8: they heard heavy record, you know how they do the
Speaker 8: arm beach hip hop beach.
Speaker 1: It's like reggae ships. Like everyone wanted to sing the verse.
Speaker 8: But then I gave Dave Paul these drawing program these drums,
Speaker 8: and I said, yah, you know, on the disc and
Speaker 8: just gave him, as you know, a floppy disk and
Speaker 8: I said, there's drums on that, just you know, and
Speaker 8: then he made that joint.
Speaker 2: Wow, I had no clue because I played that record
Speaker 2: top I love that record. Yeah, man, God bless bro So.
Speaker 5: Wait, I just I got I got a non music
Speaker 5: professional question. When was the blow Niggas Away moment? Was
Speaker 5: your blow Niggas away moment? And when you were seventeen,
Speaker 5: like when you first started shut them down with your
Speaker 5: blow Niggas away?
Speaker 9: But what Haavy? Everybody who wanted to impress.
Speaker 8: Was like what even my own family? Yeah but wait
Speaker 8: a minute, cousins.
Speaker 2: Everybody got it for me though, Yeah, all right your
Speaker 2: remix now I knew, yes, yes, shut him down like
Speaker 2: change the game. Yeah, but the remix to E. P.
Speaker 2: M D's uh Ram Rampage, which came out before then.
Speaker 1: I did two different versions that, Yeah, but the disco
Speaker 1: techt so version.
Speaker 2: All right, wait now now I'm getting I have to
Speaker 2: play Williams.
Speaker 1: Yes, that that is joint. That to me, that that
Speaker 1: made me aware of who you were.
Speaker 2: And I'm shocked that that didn't get more more more run.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think I was running it a lot
Speaker 8: when I was on the radio DJ. I was playing
Speaker 8: my own remixes like whatever, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But yeah, so the remixes this was before all sold
Speaker 2: out was this before.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 8: At the same time, I was doing a lot of
Speaker 8: like okay, here's the story. I did Down with the
Speaker 8: King and Jump Around remix in the same night and
Speaker 8: hit Factory on forty seconds.
Speaker 1: Did the tracks the same night.
Speaker 2: No mixing it in the studio. Yeah, like finishing it
Speaker 2: because they were stressing for me to get stuff done,
Speaker 2: so I would, you know, do well. Actually, it was
Speaker 2: Down with the King session and they booked another room
Speaker 2: for me to finish the remix to the house.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 8: That's and then they wanted me to rap on it,
Speaker 8: and I was like, I don't know if I want
Speaker 8: to rap on it. You know, I wasn't big on
Speaker 8: my wrap back then, but it was like please please,
Speaker 8: And I was like all right, fuck.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I did one with and one without, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I did it some Jackson case ain't.
Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, that was one of my favorite ones because
Speaker 3: you really took that record like it gave it another feel.
Speaker 2: It's still had energy. Yeah, the original was really was.
Speaker 2: It was still really great till till this day.
Speaker 8: But the remix was something that just kind of put
Speaker 8: the cherry on top of that record period.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me explain to our listeners to put in
Speaker 1: perspective if you were around for our.
Speaker 2: Dante the scrub Ross episode when I tried to explain
Speaker 2: the idea of the Renaissance period of hip hop. So
Speaker 2: for a lot of our listeners, I mentioned this volume
Speaker 2: of break beats, this compilation called Ultimate Beats and Breaks,
Speaker 2: which essentially would be the Wikipedia of hip hop break beats,
Speaker 2: where they would just give you all the answers. You
Speaker 2: didn't have to do much digging. You would just take
Speaker 2: these records and then start loop and beats. And sometimes
Speaker 2: they would take make beats out of the entire record,
Speaker 2: like take sil Johnson's different strokes and mix it with
Speaker 2: Bobby Birds.
Speaker 1: I knew that soul and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: So where you come to play is that you're part
Speaker 2: of a renaissance period that starts emerging in nineteen ninety you,
Speaker 2: along with.
Speaker 1: Tippinally premieres getting his game up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Prince Paul Larsh Professor, and you know from Philly.
Speaker 1: I gotta include Jeff and this.
Speaker 2: Is I mean even cash Money and Marvelists.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So what what is happening is cats are now finding
Speaker 2: other sources to sample their music from that's not from.
Speaker 1: YouTube. That's the new ultimate vizza breaks.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, for people that don't want to
Speaker 8: go out there and you know, do what I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like, can you really tell those like no,
Speaker 2: not really, you can't tell that. Yeah, there was a
Speaker 2: period where you knew who was serious about the craft
Speaker 2: and who wasn't. And I'm not taking away because again, uh,
Speaker 2: the Bomb Squad is one of my favorite oh yeah
Speaker 2: production companies of all time. And yeah, but I heard
Speaker 2: of ice Cube Sister Soldier Remix I did came out
Speaker 2: on Epic Records.
Speaker 1: No, back in the day. No, what was the name
Speaker 1: of this. I gotta get that. Sister Sister Soldier.
Speaker 2: Sister Soldier made records.
Speaker 1: I have the.
Speaker 8: Google ice Cube Sister Soldier Remix came out on Wax
Speaker 8: and everything. Really, you just brought it to my attention
Speaker 8: when you mentioned you know something I got.
Speaker 1: I got to research that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I had the album, but I didn't get the
Speaker 2: twelve minutes. But yeah, where you come to play is that?
Speaker 2: I mean when I joke about you taken the portion
Speaker 2: of the record collection my my that I didn't go
Speaker 2: to my father's record like a lot of the jazz
Speaker 2: stuff and a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is old stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: want that, and just you.
Speaker 2: Know, just go for the obviously, like if it's worth
Speaker 2: one to fire Stevie Wonder stuff I knew, but I
Speaker 2: mean you're going to Tom Scott and so like what
Speaker 2: is I watch and and study other producers methods and
Speaker 2: see how they do it. Some of them will collecting
Speaker 2: them secure record and just sit and listen to it,
Speaker 2: sort of skim through it, like what is your what
Speaker 2: is your your record listening process?
Speaker 1: That that tells you, wait, I can make something now
Speaker 1: of that. It starts at eight a m.
Speaker 2: In the morning. You get up at him because applause
Speaker 2: for working at a job. There's three people I know
Speaker 2: that get up in the morning. Pharrell Dyli used to
Speaker 2: do it as well. Premiere also like and they a
Speaker 2: morning and then it starts also with a messy house.
Speaker 2: So it's it's even better because you know, that's how
Speaker 2: you get to play the whole record only do and
Speaker 2: you know you're listening and something grabs you. So you
Speaker 2: thoroughly listen to a record, yeah, and absorb it and
Speaker 2: you know, you know, cleaning up the crib. That's how
Speaker 2: I kill the time and until I hear something I like,
Speaker 2: so what I mean, what if you don't get that
Speaker 2: payoff moment, because I mean there's nothing like that moment
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, I've been there, you know, get
Speaker 2: stuck kid, you know you know.
Speaker 8: Or I get a record that has totally nothing on it.
Speaker 8: But now I learned that you can just grab a
Speaker 8: record that has nothing, totally nothing. With all the equipment
Speaker 8: they have, now you can make nothing into you can
Speaker 8: mold it crazy. So yeah, it was. It starts from that.
Speaker 8: That's my process of listening to records. And it's time consuming,
Speaker 8: but at least I take five to six hours just listening,
Speaker 8: not even making beats, just listening. Then I know what
Speaker 8: to attack when it's time to rock.
Speaker 1: That's what separates you from the pack. Dude.
Speaker 3: I remember at his crib. We came up to his crib.
Speaker 3: This is Christmas two thousand and two. We all drove
Speaker 3: up this crib and we just all slept on the
Speaker 3: floor in the basement and he The thing that was
Speaker 3: amazing to me was how you're able to take very
Speaker 3: familiar songs and flip him in a new way. He
Speaker 3: did a flip of oh my god, it was a
Speaker 3: little child run a while Curtis Mayfield.
Speaker 1: Strengths the strings. Man ninth loves that beat. He took it. No,
Speaker 1: he took the beginning of it, and then I put
Speaker 1: that organ in there, and then he put the organ
Speaker 1: in from the beginning to or.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 3: That was like, I I think two of my like
Speaker 3: most favorite peat Bab's that just made me really want
Speaker 3: to just like quit music.
Speaker 2: Forever was like that one. And Take the D Train?
Speaker 2: Oh man, did take.
Speaker 1: The D Train?
Speaker 2: You flipped the D God Man, that's my favorite disco
Speaker 2: record in eighties.
Speaker 8: But when I heard the B side, you know, if
Speaker 8: you're familiar with disco, twelve inches on the other side
Speaker 8: of that record is an amazing intro pianos.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's the slow yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: D Train is wow. Yeah.
Speaker 8: But you know it was you know those were you
Speaker 8: know the records right there. I mean, I want to
Speaker 8: ask you a question. How do people how do these
Speaker 8: musicians or drummers tune their snares to sound like they're
Speaker 8: hitting on a horse shoe or.
Speaker 1: Like a No. See, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: It don't sound like a drum set, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It sounds like the lesson that I learned
Speaker 2: for really good breakbea drumming Uh.
Speaker 1: Really is the debtor like what.
Speaker 2: You imagine what you imagine in your head how powerful
Speaker 2: the break is? Like take all right, I'll give you
Speaker 2: an example.
Speaker 1: With with let's take eye.
Speaker 2: Now in your mind, you're thinking that Bonzo is just
Speaker 2: rocking out like using every you know, like air drummer,
Speaker 2: what you imagine air drummers to do? Yeah, But what
Speaker 2: I found out was because of the particular Micael Steve.
Speaker 1: Steve is our engineer.
Speaker 2: All right, So what like what vintage microphones am I using,
Speaker 2: like like doing the Voodoo era and all that stuff,
Speaker 2: Like what am I using?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 11: Well, a lot of that stuff we had here, the
Speaker 11: Noymans that forty seven's like, that's what I believe. That's
Speaker 11: what sort of John Bonham had the mono overhead, right,
Speaker 11: you know, oh the mono. Yeah, it's like one mic right,
Speaker 11: you know over the kick.
Speaker 2: That's weird because substitution.
Speaker 1: How does that snare sound? Like? I mean you're you're
Speaker 1: you've been.
Speaker 11: I think our best results for actually recording breakbeats has
Speaker 11: been less mics further away.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the thing, Like now cats will mic.
Speaker 2: Every drum an engineering drum, which is why it sounds
Speaker 2: so sterile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand. Yeah, uh, I mean you just gotta
Speaker 1: think of the environment.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, there were professional recording units, but it's like
Speaker 2: in Motown and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: They was like cats were sharing one mic, damn.
Speaker 2: So when I found my zone as far as like
Speaker 2: really finding that gritty, dirty sound that you're looking for,
Speaker 2: like you said, like the U forty seven.
Speaker 1: And then the ribbon mics, you know, yeah, ribbon mics.
Speaker 1: But even at that, it's also how you play it.
Speaker 1: Like a lot a lot of the teach well.
Speaker 2: The drum, the drums that I use, Like my drum
Speaker 2: company will try to be like, yo, these are special
Speaker 2: trees from Japan.
Speaker 1: We're gonna cut down you know, all this stuff.
Speaker 2: But no, but I'll tell them like, yo, I want
Speaker 2: the cheap high school set. Wow, And they look at me,
Speaker 2: they're like, why do you want? I want the cheap
Speaker 2: high school set? That sounds horrible. That's what all the
Speaker 2: classic it was made.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, drums weren't getting drum sets. They were using
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars sets from like Sears and just tune
Speaker 1: fine tuning it and micing it.
Speaker 11: And but then also the way and the less you yeah,
Speaker 11: the less velocity.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, here's the trick with those old microphones.
Speaker 2: The harder you hit, the more compression, and the more
Speaker 2: you squeeze it out, the the I mean, I try
Speaker 2: to almost use nothing but risks like very very very
Speaker 2: light touching that way when you EQ, it comes off
Speaker 2: super vintage and super you know, so it's it's almost
Speaker 2: like it's it's an anti climatic answer. What I'm saying
Speaker 2: is that basically, the less I play and the quieter
Speaker 2: I play, the better it sounds. But but in this
Speaker 2: in this age of and I've got in trouble with
Speaker 2: making snarky remarks about gospel drumming and stuff. But like, look,
Speaker 2: gospel drumming is something that I can't overcome. And I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to turn the world to my religion.
Speaker 1: They have funk, it's what about God? What about the funk?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, not like modern like the catch you see playing
Speaker 2: for like.
Speaker 1: Unnamed actor.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of soul and gospel.
Speaker 1: No, we're talking about like modern.
Speaker 2: When you see modern music today and you wonder why
Speaker 2: this guy doesn't make you feel when you hear Clyde
Speaker 2: Stubblefield playing that sort of thing, it's no one trusts
Speaker 2: that lessons more. And when I drum, I'm always thinking
Speaker 2: of would Pete Rock want to take this part of
Speaker 2: the song, So anytime I'm drumming, But that's you.
Speaker 1: You need, you need something basic and something regular. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like bread distortion static.
Speaker 2: I was sampling from that. I may really I made
Speaker 2: a beat out of that.
Speaker 1: Wait, I gotta I gotta find it. I gotta tell
Speaker 1: you I made a beat from that from just playing
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I took a loop up, a little quick loop and
Speaker 2: flipped it, you know what I'm saying, and then put some.
Speaker 1: Ship in there and then deleted it, and then.
Speaker 2: Then I put more on top, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 2: side note, it's really weird when you you hear your
Speaker 2: own break beats uh in a porn.
Speaker 1: One time you heard anything, I've heard the scene in
Speaker 1: an amateur film.
Speaker 2: You literally heard the scene they just wants some music. No,
Speaker 2: I heard, uh, someone loot the distortion the static break
Speaker 2: at the beginning, and I thought, you really must be
Speaker 2: a fan of the roots that too.
Speaker 1: Yeahs are everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, the adult world has especially the remix. Oh
Speaker 2: my god. All right, So when the shut him Down
Speaker 2: remix came, I don't even know how to explain to
Speaker 2: someone how important.
Speaker 1: Like shutting shut him Down to me changed really changed.
Speaker 1: I mean he gave it movement like because the original
Speaker 1: but he it was original was cool.
Speaker 8: It was baseline drums, and you know it was a
Speaker 8: good record, good record, But.
Speaker 2: I mean we really consider that comedy the first, the first,
Speaker 2: I mean it was that wasn't the first remix per
Speaker 2: Se that totally reimagined a song, did it. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was the first, it was one of them,
Speaker 2: because I mean, it wasn't the first, because I just
Speaker 2: you know, the first one was probably he did.
Speaker 8: Molly did remixes. If you remember, like dropping Science, the
Speaker 8: original version was different the drum right right right, and
Speaker 8: then he flipped it right, you're right now.
Speaker 3: But he did with the what you call it to
Speaker 3: the Yeah, Molly uh, I would say in terms of
Speaker 3: the first you're talking about remix that kind of changed
Speaker 3: the game or changed the song Jingling Baby.
Speaker 1: I was yeah, yeah, you remember the original.
Speaker 2: Original, yeah yeah, but that remix and killed it. That
Speaker 2: was it that When that remix hit so I feel
Speaker 2: like the the the summer or no, the fall of
Speaker 2: ninety one, between the Scenario remix and the Shut Them
Speaker 2: Down remix.
Speaker 1: Really, I mean that to me was the changing of the.
Speaker 2: Guards for for hip hop, because.
Speaker 1: You know, and the thing is, I know that we
Speaker 1: all have like our own.
Speaker 2: Romantic feelings of what like classic hip hop should be
Speaker 2: or whatever. But it's like in my head, and especially
Speaker 2: as a DJ now, like some of the stuff that
Speaker 2: I like doesn't really transfer well to the dance floor.
Speaker 2: Like I love speaking of America's most wanted, I love
Speaker 2: the shit out of like that that that cut and
Speaker 2: Nigga you love to hate. Yeah, but it's like sonically
Speaker 2: that doesn't work well in a nightclub at Sphere, and
Speaker 2: it really wasn't working when you spin off Wax like
Speaker 2: Serado is loud of Ship.
Speaker 8: But for me, what's classic about Shut Them Down? It
Speaker 8: was like it was made under ten minutes. Yes, I
Speaker 8: lied to y'all not, It's no exaggeration.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a rush job. I had to be at
Speaker 2: the studio at four.
Speaker 1: I was late.
Speaker 2: I left, you knows no time to overthink. No, I
Speaker 2: didn't even leave my crips. I was like, you know what.
Speaker 2: Let me just and then I seen some albums laying man,
Speaker 2: I hate you right now, you know, grab the Isley
Speaker 2: Brothers grabbed, Tom Scott grabbed.
Speaker 1: What is that? Tom Scott? No, I know that, But
Speaker 1: what song? Is it? Not? The same Honeysuckle Rose record?
Speaker 1: Is it? Never? My love? I hate you right now? Man?
Speaker 2: Never?
Speaker 9: So that's you said, that's three songs.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a pool. I used the version of it too,
Speaker 8: but Tom Scott yea couch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh for the I like it. Yeah, okay, but
Speaker 1: I don't know what it when when I heard it.
Speaker 2: But to me, it's so complex and so lay drums
Speaker 2: first of all, like, yeah, the drums, the fact that
Speaker 2: you separated. Yeah, I mean besides Marley, like, would nobody
Speaker 2: beats a business taking drums and reimagine it? Like why
Speaker 2: didn't you just think like an amateur like me would
Speaker 2: have just took long Red. An amateur like me would
Speaker 2: have took long red and.
Speaker 1: Just looped it. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was doing. No,
Speaker 1: but you chopped it. I chopped it to thus giving
Speaker 1: you the ability to eq it better. Yeah. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: that you didn't mix that in stereo.
Speaker 8: When I found a dope snare that hit hard and
Speaker 8: made a drum track with it and rubbed long Red
Speaker 8: against it.
Speaker 1: It was just like, Wow, I'm gonna explain to you what.
Speaker 2: Long when it hit with the long Red and your.
Speaker 1: So what what Peter's explaining that.
Speaker 2: So this group named Mountain Mountaine one of the few
Speaker 2: groups that wasn't documented on the Woodstocke on the Woodstock documentary.
Speaker 1: Long Red was from Woodstock. Yeah, it was from Woodstock,
Speaker 1: and it's actually him.
Speaker 2: There's a version without the breakbeat also.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the studio version.
Speaker 2: But this particular version from Woodstock that hipp the live
Speaker 2: one that's hip hop staple, is actually him mocking the
Speaker 2: audience for not knowing where the one was because if
Speaker 2: you hear them, they're all clapping. They're clapp on what
Speaker 2: he's doing. So he's like on Temple Jack, like Tempo Gang. Yeah,
Speaker 2: on Tempo Jack, like don't mess up my group.
Speaker 1: Yes, it took that louder, that everyone takes that louder.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that you know, an average
Speaker 2: person would have just looped the four bars from it,
Speaker 2: whereas now the Renaissance Crew it is taking these breaks
Speaker 2: and doing the early phases of what we call just flipping,
Speaker 2: where you take the snare and the kick and you
Speaker 2: re invented.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, and I mean around the time, because
Speaker 3: I remember you chopped up. This was a couple of
Speaker 3: years later you talk about I mean we talked about
Speaker 3: flipping records. A Z give me yours. Well, you took
Speaker 3: the Many rivers. I had that original Sam Houses.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, my mother sped all the time
Speaker 2: and I was like, yo, uh no, no, no, it
Speaker 2: was no, it's it's not.
Speaker 1: It's many the okay, yeah, it's here we go, here
Speaker 1: we go with many.
Speaker 2: And that was the song I heard, you know, a
Speaker 2: million times, but I never heard it done in that way.
Speaker 2: I used to love that song, but that's how I
Speaker 2: looked it because I used to be like I used
Speaker 2: to listen to this on tape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cassette, slow damn. It has totally made it something new,
Speaker 1: million people bracing shut them down as the burger. But
Speaker 1: you know, you you you have the perfect chopped onion.
Speaker 2: And tomatoes on that joint. But the thing is that
Speaker 2: a song like h and I've Been Good to You
Speaker 2: by the Isley Bus.
Speaker 1: Now, when you take this.
Speaker 2: It's not quantized, all right, you know what you gotta be.
Speaker 2: You gotta be my Negro translator.
Speaker 1: With quantized meaning that it's not imperfect. No, it's not. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't loop it.
Speaker 2: I actually chopped a half a bar each of it.
Speaker 1: If you telling me that you made this in ten minutes,
Speaker 1: this means you are working at the.
Speaker 2: Yes speed lightning. Because I had to go, so, you know,
Speaker 2: I had to be out, so I had to get
Speaker 2: you know, I was at that time it being late
Speaker 2: in the music business was like a big deal, so
Speaker 2: you know, I was just trying to and then I'm
Speaker 2: still late, but you know, I mean I had a
Speaker 2: hot joint with me, so that's why I was like,
Speaker 2: So what.
Speaker 1: Was the look on their face? Who? Who did you
Speaker 1: play it for?
Speaker 2: When you When I got it, Jamie stopped, you know
Speaker 2: in the studio with him and him bugging out and saying, Yo,
Speaker 2: we got something here. We're gonna play around with these sounds.
Speaker 1: And did it take long to line up? Like?
Speaker 8: Nah, it probably took a little while, but you know,
Speaker 8: once I got once I had the beat in the baseline,
Speaker 8: everything else was like.
Speaker 1: So what was Chuck's reaction when he heard it?
Speaker 2: I wish I could have seen his face, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't around either. There the two best public end me
Speaker 2: stories I ever heard both came from Buster Rhymes.
Speaker 1: Yeah Buster nose.
Speaker 2: Buster has a story of being like Buster and Charlie
Speaker 2: Brown and Dinko used to always be at their studio.
Speaker 1: Chuck named them named rhyme football player right so after.
Speaker 2: High school, like leaders of the New School used to
Speaker 2: always just hang at the studio and it was there
Speaker 2: for reminisce.
Speaker 8: Really yeah, Charlie Brown was in the mix when when
Speaker 8: out first listened down to the first listen.
Speaker 2: Down really was done. Charlie was there well crying and
Speaker 2: I was. I was saying that Buster told me that
Speaker 2: he's like a hip hop song. Never made him cry
Speaker 2: real tears until the moment where after school they heard
Speaker 2: Rebel without a pause, and he says, but man, when
Speaker 2: I heard shut him down like you like, I went
Speaker 2: out my mind because.
Speaker 8: It was just it was just unheard of Genesis album.
Speaker 8: He's like, I want to do that again. Beat Come on, man,
Speaker 8: you know I busted talk. I can't do one.
Speaker 3: Thing I wanted to ask you in terms of like
Speaker 3: with the remixes, because it's very different now, you know,
Speaker 3: with you got computers.
Speaker 2: You just lining things up. How were you able to
Speaker 2: get the vocals to sync with the track?
Speaker 8: That was Jamie's job. But I was good because I'd
Speaker 8: be like, look, man, make him ride that beat. This
Speaker 8: is a new remixed joint. I want, you know, I
Speaker 8: wanted to sound totally different from the original, and Jamie
Speaker 8: know it was it was sympty and all that stuff,
Speaker 8: So you have to vocal from the real Yeah. And
Speaker 8: Jamie was nice because he's the splice so anything that
Speaker 8: he would time wise, he would splice tape. And then
Speaker 8: it was crazy with him. Man, Wow, I think about
Speaker 8: the way we used to work and it was just like, wow,
Speaker 8: all that's cut off. It's the work today is much easier,
Speaker 8: it is faster. We were doing it like the hard way,
Speaker 8: the long way.
Speaker 2: So when when this comes out, then suddenly, what's what's
Speaker 2: Pete Rock's life like after this?
Speaker 1: Was? Nah?
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, it's just my life just went from
Speaker 2: being you know, paperboy delivering papers in my hood, from
Speaker 2: flipping steaks in the mall to hanging with my cousin,
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 8: The studio, hanging out with have you know, taking you know,
Speaker 8: acting like a little sponge around. Howie t and Teddy
Speaker 8: Riley and Molly and made my mind up and say, yeah,
Speaker 8: this is what I want to do.
Speaker 2: From that, just from that experience, I was, you know.
Speaker 1: Crib Yeah was it like watch to him because he's
Speaker 1: another clean beat maker, I know, clean his ships.
Speaker 8: Still he'll take a record like I never heard impeach
Speaker 8: sounds so clean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he took it.
Speaker 3: We did it on how We t was a producer,
Speaker 3: uh special special or he chopped up on specially second
Speaker 3: album You Wish you could Impeach over the Superman.
Speaker 1: My favorite, my favorite joint. Do you remember that special?
Speaker 1: I wish you could? I wish you would. I play
Speaker 1: that all the time.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 8: Yeah, how he t was amazing, like it was him
Speaker 8: and Molly for me, you know, coming up of course
Speaker 8: Rick Ruban and you know I listened to like Curtis
Speaker 8: blowing the live musician.
Speaker 2: Give me give me your give me If you can't, fine,
Speaker 2: I'll say three for now. What sessions were you there
Speaker 2: to witness that were historic?
Speaker 1: Teddy, give me give me your.
Speaker 2: Five most historical? Like, yeah, I'm working on this song
Speaker 2: and then it's it's a game Teddy, Riley, Molly mal
Speaker 2: but wait what I mean?
Speaker 12: What song.
Speaker 8: H new jack swing you know, uh yeah, I was.
Speaker 8: He was always with Teddy Rally. They used to hang
Speaker 8: out a lot, like you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 8: I used to be with Have and you know, be
Speaker 8: Witness and things he's doing, you know his you know,
Speaker 8: exclusive stuff.
Speaker 1: What did he work on? He wants you remember that group. Wait,
Speaker 1: that's my favorite. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: it all his stuff, Let's talk about amazing.
Speaker 2: So what what equipment was he using? Because everything, but
Speaker 2: he told me so basic, you know s the cell board,
Speaker 2: you know, pro tools wasn't nothing and it was straight board,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He told me that he I don't know which Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson need from Dangerous that he did all the pre
Speaker 1: It was either remember the time or no, no, no she did.
Speaker 1: She's driving me wild. He says, I did it in a.
Speaker 2: Project kitchen, like he had a setup and he's like
Speaker 2: he kept his old apartment set up that he used
Speaker 2: for the Guy album and did Yeah and the Kid
Speaker 2: Sweat stuff and he did all most of Michael Jackson's
Speaker 2: Dangerous inside of his project kitchen.
Speaker 1: With a producer.
Speaker 8: It's about that that comfortability spot, like if you're comfortable.
Speaker 2: It can happen anyway, Bro, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: A hit record can happen anyway.
Speaker 1: So you do majority of production, Like do you do
Speaker 1: it in this actual studio? You drop it off?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 8: I always do beats at home first, and then I
Speaker 8: go in and you know, and then when when I'm
Speaker 8: in this the studio like this and I'm laying the
Speaker 8: beat down, then we're playing around with it and I'm
Speaker 8: playing with records, and then maybe I'll add some some
Speaker 8: more stuff that matches with it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So all right, well you said Teddy Rowley? What else? What?
Speaker 1: What other historical songs were there to see?
Speaker 2: I mean I was around Molly a lot, so you
Speaker 2: know all I have stuff, all of some some cane stuff,
Speaker 2: some biz stuff.
Speaker 1: I saw was alb Was he hanging right out? I'll
Speaker 1: be sure you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Wow, I was gonna say, what is your obsession with
Speaker 2: just rhyming with biz man? You've made helf of that
Speaker 2: ship so many times.
Speaker 1: I think that record just like, how did the publisher?
Speaker 8: I know it's a James Brown sample, but it just
Speaker 8: reminded me of James Brown, even with Kane and Biz
Speaker 8: on this ship, right, No, I knew you didn't use
Speaker 8: it for the James Brown the voice, but the voices
Speaker 8: their voices.
Speaker 2: But like all of main Ingreedy, it was man like,
Speaker 2: did you have to cut a special deal?
Speaker 1: Check it out? I think so.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think Molly won a case with Warner
Speaker 8: or something like that. And you know he owns all
Speaker 8: this stuff now, so he does yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow. That from what I understand.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you about in terms of, you know,
Speaker 3: we talked about the first ep al sold out. How
Speaker 3: exactly did you and cl get signed to a lecture
Speaker 3: and how did y'all first?
Speaker 1: How y'all? Yeah, in high school.
Speaker 2: In high school, you know, a couple of neighborhood guys
Speaker 2: you know, introduced me to him.
Speaker 1: He had a distinctive voice.
Speaker 8: He didn't sound like nobody I've ever heard, so I
Speaker 8: thought it would be good to do some stuff on him.
Speaker 8: When I heard him rap, I was like, okay, he
Speaker 8: can he can ride a beat. Let's list.
Speaker 1: We were doing basement that.
Speaker 2: It was like we got like forty or fifty of them,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And we made a song
Speaker 2: off of dancing the drummers beat.
Speaker 1: You know. Oh wow, really that was your first demo? Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Something of our first demos.
Speaker 8: We was taking common stuff and then that's when I
Speaker 8: started getting raw with the beats and using like stuff
Speaker 8: that people in the work using. We were making demos
Speaker 8: and we got signed off of my basement demos off
Speaker 8: off of four track. Yeah, do you still have the
Speaker 8: stuff or yeah, I have?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 8: Well, they had they put out a somebody I don't know,
Speaker 8: I must have lost the tape or something like that,
Speaker 8: like put it out. They put it out, and there's
Speaker 8: some stuff on there. I got it though, I got
Speaker 8: I got a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 9: Did y'all have like a full commitment?
Speaker 5: Like when y'all got together, were y'all like, Okay, we're
Speaker 5: gonna make a few records and then we're going like.
Speaker 1: We did demos first.
Speaker 8: And then at the time, I was DJing on the
Speaker 8: radio with Marley, so I would test it out and
Speaker 8: play it on the radio.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and people will respond And
Speaker 2: you know when were you DJing with Marley on eighty seven,
Speaker 2: eighty eight, eighty nine, also on there for like three
Speaker 2: years straight. BLS with Clark and then we rotated, like
Speaker 2: me and Clark Camp. First it was just me the
Speaker 2: whole weekend. Then it was me Clark Camp and then
Speaker 2: you know, once in a while he'll pull in a
Speaker 2: DJ from somewhere. But back then it was great because
Speaker 2: you know, kidding played had they hot new stuff out
Speaker 2: back then. You know, Mike Tyson was in his prime.
Speaker 2: They was all coming up there to visit the station
Speaker 2: to do interviews. Oh wow, I was just a little
Speaker 2: young kid there. Like it took me watching straight out
Speaker 2: of Compton to realize that some of the most successful
Speaker 2: hip hop producers had to cut their teeth DJ in first.
Speaker 2: My thing was like reverse. My situation was reverse. But
Speaker 2: I never considered myself like jumping in the pool of Yo,
Speaker 2: when I play this beat the night club, like the
Speaker 2: nightclub that comes from, You're gonna clean your house real
Speaker 2: good to this root. But like would for you being
Speaker 2: in DJing, would audience reaction or would you ever have
Speaker 2: a fear of like this might not work on them?
Speaker 2: Or like it's who do you imagine when you make
Speaker 2: a beat?
Speaker 1: Who are you imagining? Yo? They're going to go crazy
Speaker 1: when to hear this, What's what's the vision in your
Speaker 1: mind where you're.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm it's the feeling that I just get overjoyed,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's a goosebump feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like and I want to, you know, call an artist.
Speaker 2: Yo yo yo, listen to what you know? Like the
Speaker 2: world is yours. It happened when he came over and
Speaker 2: I just went through a couple of discs. I had
Speaker 2: that beat made already, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: went through a couple of discs and I popped that
Speaker 2: one in first and I didn't play no more beats
Speaker 2: after that.
Speaker 1: That was the one that was it? Did you I
Speaker 1: mean working on imatic? Did you.
Speaker 2: Since already that okay, this might be something special? Or
Speaker 2: was it just like after he heard it and liked it,
Speaker 2: and then after I heard what he wanted me to
Speaker 2: sing on it, so.
Speaker 1: They came afterwards.
Speaker 2: You didn't have the rhymes? Man, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's when.
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Like Tip and large F and
Speaker 1: everybody else was working on it too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you all know you Primo Tip, you know, but
Speaker 8: it's like a battle at the time. I think in
Speaker 8: everybody else's mind. I think that's what was going on.
Speaker 8: It was all competing, and I think when Primo heard
Speaker 8: the world is yours, he went back, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean? But you know Tip only had one love,
Speaker 8: you know, the one love joint, and l e S
Speaker 8: had one joint.
Speaker 1: I have one joint and Premon had three.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that that environment, I mean, were you guys
Speaker 2: record shopping on the.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we used to walk in on each other digging.
Speaker 8: One time, there's this Jazz Records, you know jazz. You
Speaker 8: would never know where this record store is. His record store,
Speaker 8: next to Jive Records. The label Oh wow, it looks
Speaker 8: like a mechanic building. There's nothing on it that says
Speaker 8: it's a record store. So it's upstairs, upstairs like Japan.
Speaker 2: They have all the great jazz records in there, like Verdictas.
Speaker 2: And Tip is in there on the ground and you know,
Speaker 2: going through records, put his glasses on and he's you know,
Speaker 2: on the floor. I'm like, okay, this is about to
Speaker 2: get serious with your boy, because I see how heart
Speaker 2: he's going, so I gotta go even harder.
Speaker 1: So is it a breathless race to the finish?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Now when I record shop, let's say late later in
Speaker 2: Man ninety nine, two thousand, two thousand and one. I
Speaker 2: would meet a few dealers that would be like Pete
Speaker 2: bought this, you would buy the entire stock reality only
Speaker 2: only you, You and Bizmarck you only cats. I know,
Speaker 2: or at least heard, like the urban legend is that
Speaker 2: you will buy out an entire section of record so that.
Speaker 1: No one else did well.
Speaker 2: I also spent the night in the hotel where the
Speaker 2: convention would be, and I would have a room upstairs
Speaker 2: and just come downstairs at seven o'clock am.
Speaker 1: They would.
Speaker 8: One time I was brought I was finished with digging,
Speaker 8: and I was, you know, carrying boxes to the car
Speaker 8: to come back in bring them, and Tipples is looking
Speaker 8: at me like it looked like he just wanted to
Speaker 8: turn around and go home. Okay, So here's a question.
Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of people say that they don't
Speaker 6: want to see you in a record shown now they
Speaker 6: know there's nothing left.
Speaker 1: Is there anybody that you don't want to come behind?
Speaker 1: Of course he.
Speaker 2: Wants no one to come by, of course, man, I'm saying,
Speaker 2: is there anybody that you don't want to come to
Speaker 2: the store for you? Premier?
Speaker 1: I remember one time I walked up.
Speaker 8: Okay, same thing on twenty it's just another record store,
Speaker 8: jazz on twenty seventh Street.
Speaker 2: Would know it's in the building, Primos in there. I
Speaker 2: walk up in there thinking I'm I got something all
Speaker 2: to myself and Primos in there getting all the great
Speaker 2: you know all that gang star ship. You know, that's
Speaker 2: what that jazz store was. Dope, But did you know
Speaker 2: what you were looking for? Was it just based on like.
Speaker 1: But cover?
Speaker 2: We used to just take chances, take chances. The stars
Speaker 2: still there, see somefros and some.
Speaker 1: Wait, it's still there. The one he's talking about is
Speaker 1: still there? Is that the way you told me about words? Yeah,
Speaker 1: was talking about it on the show, Oh, sexualize and videotape.
Speaker 1: What's his name? The actor the Blacklist? What's his name? Vader?
Speaker 1: Zz Market? I think it's called like jazz market. Yeah,
Speaker 1: jazz Market. That's it. All of us is actually going.
Speaker 1: So wait in your job records, that's near Battery Studios.
Speaker 2: Yep, it was right next door, dude, I recorded my
Speaker 2: first I've never heard execute floor.
Speaker 11: It's like an office building. It sounds like the eighth floor,
Speaker 11: like you don't even know what to restaurant to the door.
Speaker 1: To get to the door.
Speaker 10: But don't you think somebody's secretly keeping it from you
Speaker 10: at this point?
Speaker 9: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Two things I learned about recording at Battery Studios. One,
Speaker 2: all the tales of my mine coming to forty second
Speaker 2: Street was like, oh, it's all Disney Like. I didn't
Speaker 2: know about the New York City version of that batteries
Speaker 2: where I did, But the rest of the roofs were
Speaker 2: like all the time. But I'm the one at the
Speaker 2: studio like working and they.
Speaker 1: On the forty dues. Wow, But now I'm not. I
Speaker 1: can't believe that the spot was here and I didn't
Speaker 1: know about it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Battery, I did the Will Smith and Jeff stuff
Speaker 8: there too, really, but the home base cod.
Speaker 2: Damn?
Speaker 9: Who haven't?
Speaker 1: No? Who you?
Speaker 9: Who do you want?
Speaker 10: Is there anybody who left?
Speaker 1: Who's left? We can't play who else I worked with?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 10: But who is left that you haven't that you would
Speaker 10: want to?
Speaker 1: Is there actually fifty? Really?
Speaker 2: You know a couple of g unit dudes? Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've never.
Speaker 1: Worked with it.
Speaker 9: What does he know that you?
Speaker 2: I just got a bump into him. We gotta I
Speaker 2: gotta catch him in the studio.
Speaker 8: Or something gotta have my beats on me or something.
Speaker 2: How does the environment of I mean the chemistry between
Speaker 2: you and cel.
Speaker 1: Right now? I mean no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I just meant back then when when the album comes out, because.
Speaker 8: We were young kids having fun. Man, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying, like we found something. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 8: we found something.
Speaker 1: So so touring. But I'm saying that because Meccan the.
Speaker 2: Soul Brother was such a New York record, how is
Speaker 2: this translating across the United States? I mean, you still
Speaker 2: had the aid of MTV and you still had Rahap City,
Speaker 2: so you know, it wasn't that regional way.
Speaker 8: The soul train was still around because we did You
Speaker 8: definitely did sold train, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I mean like if you guys are doing a show.
Speaker 2: In Mississippi or something, like, what's the reception?
Speaker 1: But it was pretty good? You know? Okay? You know
Speaker 1: what's funny that you mentioned.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a moment where it's like rocks
Speaker 2: moving then on a promotional tour? You know, promotional tours.
Speaker 2: Used to go on promotional tours for a.
Speaker 8: Month or a month and a half and you don't
Speaker 8: get paid, you know, what I'm saying, You're out there
Speaker 8: busting your ass just to get known, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying. And when we would perform in a place
Speaker 8: like that, people would be there, you know, show up,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, so it wasn't a thing where it's like y'all
Speaker 2: at a strip club and they like this ain't.
Speaker 1: Luke, no y'all New York is y'all talk.
Speaker 8: But you know, what do you have for your people
Speaker 8: who are very adamant about what they like and you
Speaker 8: know they you know, they rock with what they rock with?
Speaker 8: So do you feel left out in the cold sometimes?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like the regional divide started? Say posts
Speaker 2: chronic posts like.
Speaker 1: Where did you? Where did you? What was your role?
Speaker 2: Or where did you lie in the I guess the
Speaker 2: East West?
Speaker 1: But yeah, like when did that start rearing its head?
Speaker 2: Ninety five ninety six? Really yeah, ninety five ninety six,
Speaker 2: And so what did you know?
Speaker 8: Like I had my own stress going to you know
Speaker 8: me and see how breaking up and all that. Right,
Speaker 8: So then the East West thing then you know me
Speaker 8: thinking everyone in hip hop was invincible, and then motherfucker
Speaker 8: started dropping, you know what I mean? So it's like,
Speaker 8: you know, we were shocked. We were in shock, like wow,
Speaker 8: he got shot, like and he's dead, like you know
Speaker 8: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you gotta tell me the story. Dude,
Speaker 1: you originally did juicy, Yeah, tell me? Can you tell
Speaker 1: me the juicy story?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 8: All right, Puff Big, everybody came over. Puff brought Big
Speaker 8: to my house, to the basement.
Speaker 2: Wait, let me just introduce like the idea of rhyming
Speaker 2: over like it started with Pete Rock and then you
Speaker 2: got be puffetized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: He's rhyming over just a very know on Luke, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not when Biggie was rhyming over juicy. Pete Rock's
Speaker 2: the one that like yo is like it was a
Speaker 2: Pete Rock beat initially and then what pop's done this before?
Speaker 2: Because like even Mariah carries Honey was a cute tip beating.
Speaker 10: But did he should have been like y'all young boy though,
Speaker 10: right because he from Mount Vernon.
Speaker 9: But he was young.
Speaker 8: It's from bel Avenue, Mount Vernon. We we all grew
Speaker 8: up together, all right. Yeah, but but with.
Speaker 2: Him with the juice, Okay, when the juicy thing happened,
Speaker 2: he brought Big over, you know, and big came in there,
Speaker 2: and you know he was he stood against the wall,
Speaker 2: humble quiet. He was just like, yo, yo, yo, I
Speaker 2: just want to see I just want to see how
Speaker 2: you make a beat.
Speaker 8: Yo, Just show me how you make a beat. And
Speaker 8: then I made in the flesh, in the flesh in
Speaker 8: front of Biggie that's on the main.
Speaker 1: Can I wait, can we talk about we got to
Speaker 1: talk about the records? Man? Can we take wait? I
Speaker 1: gotta he's standing right there. You know that's the story
Speaker 1: I want, like what historical? Yeah, he made that in
Speaker 1: the flesh and what was big reactions in the flesh.
Speaker 1: He was loving it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Then started picking like these beats, you know, like he
Speaker 8: was picked over ten beats.
Speaker 1: But we never did none, you know.
Speaker 2: All right, Wait Steve, Okay, I'm gonna explain something that
Speaker 2: this is what this is what's gonna blue Steve's mind?
Speaker 1: Steve, do you know my obsession with a certain symp.
Speaker 2: You I'm a defensive story now, my obsession with using
Speaker 2: Steve Miller.
Speaker 1: Bands space space Like Steve.
Speaker 2: Hates nothing more than that than hearing that our peggio happened. No,
Speaker 2: because I over like.
Speaker 1: We don't use that ship. But I it's just it constantly.
Speaker 1: It's at the top of a little toolbox.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's it's there, but it's only I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell you this. The thing was is that when
Speaker 2: the Roots we exiled to to to.
Speaker 1: London and we were broke cold or it was the
Speaker 1: worst feeling.
Speaker 2: We only had two cassettes to hold us down for
Speaker 2: like most of nineteen ninety four, and that was to
Speaker 2: cal and that.
Speaker 1: Was the main ingredient.
Speaker 2: And even I mean it was some of the most
Speaker 2: it was the worst. I mean, every group grows through
Speaker 2: basic training to to soldier up and and and you know,
Speaker 2: really established themselves.
Speaker 1: And so this was the hunger years. Everyone has those
Speaker 1: hunger years where you're just starving, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: coming going. But for me, like in the Flesh.
Speaker 2: Wasn't even a song, but it was more meditation and
Speaker 2: it was just like the way you layer Steve Miller
Speaker 2: bands space, which like that to me, I mean me
Speaker 2: and Twoek's only fist fighting history happened in ninety four
Speaker 2: and post fist fighters.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's funny because we used to come to
Speaker 8: the crib a lot too.
Speaker 2: We used to have fun. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: you still have the same crib, same mouse. I've never
Speaker 2: been to the people to come what do you call it?
Speaker 1: What do you call it? The basement? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you've been in front.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that on the floor, left on the floor when
Speaker 2: we first, like after shortly after I quit my job.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I went out like listen, I'm homeless niggas.
Speaker 2: But now we all drove to me, nine pool, all
Speaker 2: of us. Everybody we drove up there slip on the
Speaker 2: floor and like nine of them. Yeah, we was all
Speaker 2: in the crib. I think we ordered like we might
Speaker 2: have ate once like days, ordered pizza. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: we was in the basement. And that was what the
Speaker 2: first time I really understood just how much work he
Speaker 2: put in.
Speaker 1: I mean, he has a closet.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I was still there, and he
Speaker 3: was just like showing us bags and this. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: so these the main ingredient beats.
Speaker 2: This is stuff from making the Soul brother and this
Speaker 2: is stuff I'm like kidding me, and you still have
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 1: I got the world's yours on this still, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: How did Biggie lose this? I don't know man like
Speaker 1: or what's puff making his decisions for him more?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, but not when he was picking beats, you know, like.
Speaker 1: He's so big, he was like this is all right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was like he wanted the Interlode beats. He
Speaker 8: wanted my Interlodes.
Speaker 1: So Juicy, we gotta finish off my Juicy him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, I was playing the beat. I
Speaker 8: had the drums playing when they came downstairs, because I
Speaker 8: was gonna put something else in there.
Speaker 1: And he knew, you know, yeah, he knew what. He
Speaker 1: knew what it was.
Speaker 2: It was a hit record, you know, so the ideas
Speaker 2: is churning in his head, you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 1: So, did they at least come to you and say, yo, like,
Speaker 1: make the drums less? They came to me and said
Speaker 1: due to remix.
Speaker 2: The I mean, did they at least give you the
Speaker 2: option to change the drums a little bit so that you.
Speaker 1: Can Yeah, yeah, that's what I did in the remix.
Speaker 2: Though, No, no, no, no, But I'm just saying that original
Speaker 2: I thought that what we noticed the p rock remix
Speaker 2: of Juicy, that was the original idea.
Speaker 8: That's it, only the idea. But they did it. You
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, Like, whoever did it? Track masters?
Speaker 1: Whoever?
Speaker 2: But they the idea is what you hear right on
Speaker 2: the right now, and you know they just looked it.
Speaker 1: So I mean, did you feel some sort of way
Speaker 1: like well, back then I was.
Speaker 8: I was a little crazy feeling little ways a boy people.
Speaker 8: You know, how did now that I realized that music
Speaker 8: is universal?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It doesn't belong to nobody,
Speaker 2: but the people were sailing it.
Speaker 6: You know, I have a question about a similar situation.
Speaker 1: What's the story behind trip called class and jazz? Oh?
Speaker 1: Same thing? Stop the same thing tip?
Speaker 8: They al used to We all used to hang out
Speaker 8: tip coming over heard the beat playing, you know, and went.
Speaker 1: So you contributed the drums to it?
Speaker 8: Or was it the same way you hear it on
Speaker 8: the Tribes album? It's how I did it. But I
Speaker 8: just had a little little stuff in it on top
Speaker 8: of it. But the same drums, same loop. You know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. I want to say you played that
Speaker 8: for us when we read your crib. I want to
Speaker 8: say you played his version of jazz? Yeah I think
Speaker 8: the disc Yeah, yes, I still have it.
Speaker 9: So Pete, have you.
Speaker 5: Like developed any relationships with any of these living legends
Speaker 5: that you like, you know changing Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2: Roy was on tour with Roy shared some some weird
Speaker 2: Polydors stories, James Brown stuff, and it was fun touring
Speaker 2: with him, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Wait, I know that he did he ever hook you
Speaker 1: up with Like.
Speaker 8: There's another Ramp album out there that he has recorded.
Speaker 8: He told me this out of his mouth that he
Speaker 8: has that never came out, Not the Ramp that tip
Speaker 8: us another album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who came out in seventy eight?
Speaker 8: Because that Ramp album that everybody's finding, it's not the
Speaker 8: original albums. That's a bootleg, that's not original pressing.
Speaker 1: But it was boot like seventies boot leg. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Really it never he said, it never really came out.
Speaker 1: It never officially came.
Speaker 2: Out, never officially came We have it on white, We
Speaker 2: have a promo what We're.
Speaker 1: Finding in nineteen eighty nine, eight ninety was Oh you
Speaker 1: two man?
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, I thought he was masterful for that fine
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 1: Wow. I never knew of that one, never knew.
Speaker 5: So did you ever get like what did Roy say
Speaker 5: about your version of searching?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 8: We used to do it in the shows. You know,
Speaker 8: he'll do the song and then I come in with
Speaker 8: the hip hop version. But I made a live version.
Speaker 8: I made it over and yeah it's pretty.
Speaker 2: That was my favorite joint. I remember you telling me
Speaker 2: at the crib that was Novelle playing. Yeah, yeah, that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the main ingredient, Well, I wanted to talk about
Speaker 3: when you were talking to about like the you know,
Speaker 3: the South and how you know we received y'all used
Speaker 3: to get love out my way.
Speaker 8: I was surprised that even y'all, that y'all you know,
Speaker 8: came from North Carolina sounding.
Speaker 1: Like that lot of us.
Speaker 2: I was like, what, man, we grew like some village
Speaker 2: is like the same reaction, like, oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we grew up.
Speaker 1: On y'all ship.
Speaker 3: And so like when Mecca and the Soul brother came out,
Speaker 3: I remember that was the record we would play like
Speaker 3: after practice, you know, during the summer, like after practice,
Speaker 3: we'd be you know, after football practice, and we'd.
Speaker 1: Just be running it.
Speaker 3: And so then a couple of years later, because I
Speaker 3: remember y'all had the this was the source I used
Speaker 3: to have the ads and it was like, guess who's
Speaker 3: back in the house.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, guess back in the house.
Speaker 3: Like the next episode, the next issue be Guess Who's
Speaker 3: back in the house. It would get bigger and then
Speaker 3: like the next issue, it would be the album cover.
Speaker 1: It was y'all when Maine Ingredients set me up for
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg. Wait, Wait wait, wait are you going with this?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: That was that was like sourced with that record. Man,
Speaker 3: I just remember buying it and I Gotta love. When
Speaker 3: I first heard Got Love, and I even told you
Speaker 3: before when I first heard I Got Love, I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: That was like I was like, I'm shut that the
Speaker 2: sing No, that's funny because that's favorite they wanted.
Speaker 1: I wasn't with that as the single. No, I wasn't
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, I was just like, okay. It was
Speaker 1: just one of them joints that I was like.
Speaker 8: But they went crazy over it, and the manager Tuesday,
Speaker 8: the management, the management, they wanted that out, you know,
Speaker 8: was it? I was aiming for something else? I forgot
Speaker 8: what song? What did I want?
Speaker 1: First? Was it there?
Speaker 2: I know that some one of them radio friendly ones, and.
Speaker 3: But the thing I noticed with that record was that
Speaker 3: the production just got oh, I mean the remixes, but
Speaker 3: the production you were one of the first producers.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 2: I thought arranged hip hop songs like a songwriter.
Speaker 1: Would, like you have intro, bridges, break down, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was taught that.
Speaker 8: By my cousin Have and Eddie f Eddie f used
Speaker 8: the program, you know, bridges and ship, you know, and
Speaker 8: then also Marley.
Speaker 1: I picked that up from Marley to the Bridge thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the main Ingredient was the one for me where
Speaker 3: I was just like, yo, like hip hop gets no
Speaker 3: better than this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the one. And with the innerludes, I mean,
Speaker 1: talk to us about.
Speaker 2: It, like how creating a record, like how do you
Speaker 2: what was on your mind when you were both Mecca
Speaker 2: and soul Brother and the main ingredient and the interludes,
Speaker 2: and what were you imagining like with making this record,
Speaker 2: like showing us your world or your record collection, being
Speaker 2: a part of like a superhero.
Speaker 8: Team like the Avengers collect comic books, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 8: I was on some comic book ship, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying with them beats, you know, so I took
Speaker 8: it on. I took on that that theme, you know, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Now, how were you able to pull that off?
Speaker 1: On the business to.
Speaker 8: Uh, you know, after they was digging the album and
Speaker 8: they felt the music sounded really good. I think everybody
Speaker 8: was on some this has to just come out, you
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: People got ahead.
Speaker 8: It wasn't like, you know, we had to clear some samples,
Speaker 8: you know, we had to meant just interludes was just ship.
Speaker 8: I was just like on some whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to somebody coming knocking like a.
Speaker 8: People wanted them in The Lose Man.
Speaker 2: They wanted them in what was your nightmare story? With
Speaker 2: losing clearances? Not many because they were pretty short, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 8: So I don't know if musicians don't yeah, nobody catch nobody.
Speaker 8: I don't think nobody that I'm sampling from is really
Speaker 8: listening like that.
Speaker 2: But it's weird because everyone has like all right with
Speaker 2: the daylight situation. I mean, the Turtles weren't listening, but
Speaker 2: the Turtles was even with me and Doctor Dre like
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, that's my parents. I never sampled
Speaker 2: that never.
Speaker 8: They have some rare phone ky albums on Strawberry Records.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, yeah amazing. I had no clue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have some joint joint and that's
Speaker 2: when I hit you on Twitter and was like yo, man, oh.
Speaker 9: So they don't get a check for that?
Speaker 1: No, you have? You have you know what's weird? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's kind of a weird situation, uh with uh
Speaker 2: Philly his own Larry Maggott, prior of the ticket Master
Speaker 2: uh Empire, and who used to my dad built this empire.
Speaker 1: He used to manage my father.
Speaker 2: Uh, and well he was my father's agent for college gigs.
Speaker 2: So it was long after Andrews and the Heart's finished
Speaker 2: and he was doing uh like college gigs around the
Speaker 2: sixties and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Like Larry Maggott was his agent.
Speaker 2: And through that college money, that's how Larry Maggott started
Speaker 2: ticket Master.
Speaker 1: Of which, in some strange sort of events with.
Speaker 2: Julius Caesar, uh, the Ticketmaster Empire sort of conspired against
Speaker 2: him and they started Live Nation and kind of kicked him.
Speaker 9: So he got his pay back.
Speaker 2: If you, if you saw anenturage, would be like if
Speaker 2: Ari Gold had like twelve proteges and and and in
Speaker 2: turns working for him.
Speaker 1: He talked them to the tricks of the trade and
Speaker 1: they all started their own company.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they yeah, like you guys start a
Speaker 2: radio empire and then I'm out the cold.
Speaker 1: Like welcome to Spring. True. Yeah, that's yeah, that's wow.
Speaker 1: That's crazy man. So yeah, all right, So when when
Speaker 1: the group breaks up.
Speaker 2: In ninety four ninety four after so, I mean, were
Speaker 2: you having also electric thing now that I think about it, well, major,
Speaker 2: major labeled thing, you know, pitting us against each other
Speaker 2: when something new comes, it comes into play.
Speaker 1: What were they? What would they control?
Speaker 2: When Sylvia tells you, you know you got to make
Speaker 2: remixes like cough. Daddy's talking to me like this, and
Speaker 2: I'm like you, I'm like, I got nothing against that's
Speaker 2: my guy, you know what I mean? But you know,
Speaker 2: people say things and you just be looking at him like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but tell the truth, Pete. You got you got some
Speaker 2: beats where you put the little triangle in there.
Speaker 8: You know what I used to I used to make
Speaker 8: wag beats for fun because I never know who's gonna
Speaker 8: like it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So, so was the Fluke beat? Was there a Fluke
Speaker 1: beat right here? And whatever? People like, yo, I want
Speaker 1: this ship. I to be like you sure? You know what? Man?
Speaker 2: I always wanted to ask you this. I was always curious,
Speaker 2: and this was my theory.
Speaker 3: I always thought that your work on He Is Nothing
Speaker 3: but Love was your answer to like puff and like that.
Speaker 3: Like that was to me, that just sounded like, but
Speaker 3: I'm showing them that you could do that commercial stuff
Speaker 3: if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: That's weird.
Speaker 8: Got me waiting switch you. Those were like the radio
Speaker 8: I have wanted that. He knew I could do that,
Speaker 8: so he was like, you know what, he you know,
Speaker 8: I want you to go Hey. He's always the one
Speaker 8: to tell me, don't be afraid.
Speaker 1: To go left. Mm hmm when this case goes right.
Speaker 8: That's how I made most of them beats, because he
Speaker 8: would say that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, I only mentioned blue Funk because like, I don't
Speaker 2: know who was on the payroll, but for Soul training
Speaker 2: to use blue funk uh and black coffee mm hmm.
Speaker 2: For the Soul Train line, like when you saw the train, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like five, six, seven, eight nine times to
Speaker 2: the Soul Train line, which I.
Speaker 8: Was like yeah, and then being up in there, it's
Speaker 8: like wow, I thought the Soul train was bigger, bigger
Speaker 8: than small. We see the same dances, that same Asian.
Speaker 1: Girl that she was there shout out to She's not
Speaker 1: for nothing.
Speaker 5: But you know, I know Heavy left like a big
Speaker 5: void in most of our lives. And we can say
Speaker 5: how that boil was for you in your everyday process
Speaker 5: of you being you, Like, what kind of void was
Speaker 5: that for you?
Speaker 8: Come on, man, that even you know, I get choked
Speaker 8: up talking about it. But we shared everything together, you know,
Speaker 8: off of music, Like you know, the music came later.
Speaker 8: You know, that was my family, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: And we grew up from three years old, so that
Speaker 8: just took half of me away when he passed. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you ain't have man, y'all gave me my career, I
Speaker 8: could say, basically, you know help you know it was
Speaker 8: because of him. Yeah, y'all were definitely you know when
Speaker 8: we were coming up starting Little Brother, I remember one
Speaker 8: of the things that you know, you kind of encouraged
Speaker 8: us and was like doing the singing hooks and stuff
Speaker 8: because at the time, in quote unquote underground hip hop,
Speaker 8: you weren't really hearing a lot of that was rappity rappity,
Speaker 8: rapity rap.
Speaker 2: Heavy D was a rapper, but we always played around
Speaker 2: off the records singing and then next thing you know
Speaker 2: he wants he's wanting to do this on records.
Speaker 8: Girls and girls they love me, you know that, and
Speaker 8: then we would just do you know, stuff for him record.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's dope. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was my mother like loved every day, Like she
Speaker 2: was one of the only rappers everybody's mama loved seriously.
Speaker 9: And then he was one of.
Speaker 5: The only that translated into the commercial world, like when
Speaker 5: he started acting.
Speaker 10: And doing No Life and Living Single.
Speaker 2: Get me started, yo, Martin, you know, Living Single?
Speaker 1: He was all the black on the rock.
Speaker 2: He appeared on a lot of stuff, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, even in New Jersey Drive moviey.
Speaker 1: New Jersey and Who's the Man with Everybody? Who Man?
Speaker 8: Me and cl were the robbers were everything. Yeah, were
Speaker 8: sticking up the joint. Yeah, that's what I said. The
Speaker 8: mask we got the mask you can't see our faces
Speaker 8: were mad about that. It was like, wow, we can't
Speaker 8: be seen.
Speaker 9: You still get a check with that though?
Speaker 1: Right? How many times did they show it? The checks
Speaker 1: are finished? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What was peat was about the period so after after
Speaker 3: U n c L broke up, and so the period
Speaker 3: where you were working on that's my joint.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh my god, extra professional man. Uh Soul
Speaker 2: Brother records.
Speaker 3: That's so you were doing this iron I what happened
Speaker 3: with those records? Every Man is still it was Matt Bootleg.
Speaker 2: It was never Why didn't officially Electra had Electra had
Speaker 2: all that?
Speaker 1: They had iron and another album now maybe he put
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And but when Sylvia came in to take over
Speaker 8: from Bob kraz now who was the president of Electra,
Speaker 8: who set me up to all that stuff to come out.
Speaker 8: It was all gonna come out under Electra. Then she
Speaker 8: came in and just you know, debedit it.
Speaker 1: Man. So what was your relationship like with Sylvia run Um?
Speaker 2: Shaky like that?
Speaker 8: I just felt I just felt like she didn't understand
Speaker 8: who we were, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Even with the success of Troy and it.
Speaker 8: Was like nineteen ninety five ninety six, they were trying
Speaker 8: to do some changing, some game change and stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, So what what is going through your mind
Speaker 2: with now this? This is the perfect plot to things
Speaker 2: fall apart where no, you you have a warrior, someone
Speaker 2: very skilled in a particular craft, who goes off the
Speaker 2: war and then come back to his homeland to see
Speaker 2: that the environment has changed, and you know it's colonization
Speaker 2: and all those things that took it. So what is
Speaker 2: your response, because actually, if I've recalled correctly the night,
Speaker 2: I believe the night. So there was a night that
Speaker 2: when we were working the.
Speaker 1: Routes were working on.
Speaker 2: On oh things fall apart of Detroit. Pete was also
Speaker 2: I think was that the first night you met Dyla
Speaker 2: when you came to the basement. Yes, and I stayed there. Yo,
Speaker 2: the most magical night ever because Pete is literally remaking
Speaker 2: like beats over and we're just standing there like kids
Speaker 2: in this candy store.
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, I was there.
Speaker 2: And so the thing is, the thing is that I
Speaker 2: was shocked that by that point you said like I
Speaker 2: don't use the three thousand, and I was shocked.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, you're still using the
Speaker 1: twelve hundred.
Speaker 2: And I know, like your tools are your tools, but
Speaker 2: how do you with technology moving at the speed of
Speaker 2: sound the way it is now.
Speaker 8: I used the twelve all the way up until two
Speaker 8: thousand and I know, and that's when I started doing
Speaker 8: the forty five thing.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, when we came to see you in two
Speaker 2: I think that was when you had just started using
Speaker 2: three thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, three thousand, and you finally graduated. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you.
Speaker 8: I'm on the two thousand Excel and it feels like
Speaker 8: an upgradeed SB twelve hundred. So I feel like I
Speaker 8: don't need nothing else.
Speaker 1: Justified. Yo, James Poyser, I won't even me and talk
Speaker 1: on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I won't even disrespect him. But I'm on a middle finger. Gee,
Speaker 2: James poison. James Poyser teaches me. He calls me like
Speaker 2: a played out ninety years because I can't let my
Speaker 2: two thousand Xcel go.
Speaker 1: It feels so good. I can't. Yeah, I can't let
Speaker 1: it go, like I still use it to this day.
Speaker 1: That's right and using it. He yeah, he makes me
Speaker 1: feel horrible for this, but I'm saying for you.
Speaker 8: I use a RAN two sometimes mess with the renaissance?
Speaker 8: Really so does it?
Speaker 1: It energy? It's cool. I like it.
Speaker 8: It does things, it gives you unlimited but it's a
Speaker 8: little bit more to it than my thing is simple
Speaker 8: to the point. If I know what to do, it's done.
Speaker 8: I know that machine really so so.
Speaker 1: But with now, like, are you able to use able
Speaker 1: to use modern?
Speaker 8: I have able to and I've used it on New
Speaker 8: York's Finest. Okay, do I have just regular, you know,
Speaker 8: nothing crazy pro tools? I had the Pro Tools seven,
Speaker 8: then graduated from that to the ten, right, you know,
Speaker 8: to do extra more.
Speaker 2: Well, I know it's hard leaving your comfort zone because
Speaker 2: I know that when Stroe Elliott was telling me, it
Speaker 2: was so hard for him to like, there's there's this
Speaker 2: there's a slew cats right now, like tall black guy
Speaker 2: Stroe Elliott, Joe Roun Bombay, when Joe Ron Bombay is
Speaker 2: from Canada, and these cats are I mean, they're making
Speaker 2: incredible beats, and but they're using some of the most
Speaker 2: primitive Like I remember laughing at ninth when he showed me.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's what I didn't know either. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but what what these new cats are using as like
Speaker 2: even a step crazier than fruity loops, was like so basic,
Speaker 2: And they were telling me like, well, this is how
Speaker 2: we first Like they were using like.
Speaker 1: So acid ad like.
Speaker 2: Real, it's still very basic, but making miracles out this ship.
Speaker 2: And Sereue Elliott told me like he finally had to
Speaker 2: physically force himself out of using like a lot of
Speaker 2: that the primitive stuff so that he could, you know,
Speaker 2: really jump in the game of beat making? Man, So
Speaker 2: is that I mean, is that a personal fear? Because
Speaker 2: to hear anyone else say it, it's like, oh man,
Speaker 2: it's easy, like once you once you do it, you
Speaker 2: won't But how hard is it to leave your your
Speaker 2: tools of the trade? And oh man, it's hard.
Speaker 8: It's hard to because you mean, I mean, I made
Speaker 8: on my hips off that twelve hundred and it wasn't hard.
Speaker 8: It wasn't easy for me to give that up. But
Speaker 8: then when I started playing with the two thousand, I
Speaker 8: started forgetting about this. Do you still use the twelve hundred?
Speaker 8: It was the last time used beats on it. I
Speaker 8: still have a lot of beat with that machine, so
Speaker 8: I don't. I haven't used it lately. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 8: did on Mac Wild's album, first album, Oh Wow, What
Speaker 8: did you do?
Speaker 1: On it?
Speaker 8: I did song called I Think so what? He named
Speaker 8: it love and then another one called him duck Sauce.
Speaker 2: And those beats were done on the on the spow.
Speaker 8: Duck Sauce, wasn't the other one one? Impress it all straight?
Speaker 8: Sp Salim Salam laid that down for me. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 8: I remember.
Speaker 2: When you you were working on the two thousand and
Speaker 2: the thing I thought was so dope your bass lines?
Speaker 1: How is that?
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you're like one of my favorite bass.
Speaker 1: Players that don't play a bass.
Speaker 2: Humming, humming, humming in my head listening, you know, just
Speaker 2: you know, that's just I think that became a natural
Speaker 2: thing because that was my thing. I used to want
Speaker 2: to practice, you know, making bass lines. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 8: And famala James Brown Records, I heard the Barrier Records,
Speaker 8: to Isaac Records, all the jazz records. I used to
Speaker 8: hum Baseline.
Speaker 1: I always said that.
Speaker 2: If one particular musician, if you were personified, or if
Speaker 2: you were representing a musician, you were probably I'd say
Speaker 2: you would be Marshall Jones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you read.
Speaker 2: I had an hour conversation with Marshall Jones and the
Speaker 2: look of shot on his face when I'm trying to
Speaker 2: explain to him how vital him specifically, how vital he
Speaker 2: was to renaissance hip hop culture, and he's thinking like, oh,
Speaker 2: skin tight, none of I'm like, no, Marshall Jones, you
Speaker 2: don't get it, like and I'm breaking down, like you know,
Speaker 2: like like what's going on, like you cover what's going
Speaker 2: on and paint all that stuff and players balling. It
Speaker 2: took like it took ten minutes for it really to
Speaker 2: sink in that that Westbound version of Ohio Players was.
Speaker 1: Valuable to us. Now, oh my goodness. He couldn't he
Speaker 1: couldn't understand that. But the longest man.
Speaker 2: But eventually, like they have unreleased, yeah, from seventy three.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, I would love nothing better.
Speaker 2: Sent me, I sent he sent me some files and
Speaker 2: I was listening to that shit, losing my mind, like god,
Speaker 2: some record and it sounds.
Speaker 1: Just like boo.
Speaker 2: What like it's on that vibe. It's on that vibe.
Speaker 2: It's not that same you know base yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But just like next next to James Damison in Motown,
Speaker 1: like Marshall Jones is. I mean, it's baselines are just believable. Man.
Speaker 1: It's it's not Flashy's and that's it. You know what.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to explain to the cats. It's like the
Speaker 2: less you do, the more timeless it is. So Pete, Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, we've done a lot about yesterday. Now talk
Speaker 2: about your what are you up to you late?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 8: I mixed the new Locks record for the album Yesterday
Speaker 8: for the new album The Styles Pete Jadakiss and Chiclut
Speaker 8: shout out to them. And then I got this project
Speaker 8: with my man smoked this over there smokes.
Speaker 1: Just how you doing? Brother?
Speaker 2: He's like, Man, I'm so fucking hungry, man.
Speaker 9: Chicken sandwiches.
Speaker 10: Don't be hungry.
Speaker 13: No, no, no, I'm chilling. I'm cool.
Speaker 1: Nah.
Speaker 2: Now that's my dude right there?
Speaker 1: My god?
Speaker 2: You like, who are you?
Speaker 8: But we got this album that's really really dope, and
Speaker 8: it's long time come and this long time that we
Speaker 8: haven't heard something like this, you know, you know, representing
Speaker 8: hip hop and live you know, playing you know, mixed
Speaker 8: with you know, funk.
Speaker 1: So what do you what do you feel.
Speaker 2: The standard of excellence is now for twenty sixteen as
Speaker 2: far as like, is it still for you like a break.
Speaker 1: Be that moves you, the loop that moves you? Or
Speaker 1: like are you now thinking of a generational gap thing?
Speaker 8: And yeah, I'm thinking about the generational gap thing because
Speaker 8: I feel like what.
Speaker 2: Part of you is like I'm gonna take you all
Speaker 2: to me, and what part of you is like because
Speaker 2: have you heard a premiere's remix of Timmy Timmy Turner.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Timmy, Timmy turn and I uh, you know, man,
Speaker 8: let me see what could I say from from you know,
Speaker 8: from I know you've.
Speaker 2: Had any words with millennials before online or whatever. Ye, no,
Speaker 2: I mean you know, I'm those are real words and
Speaker 2: real thoughts like I too would like to see us
Speaker 2: do better. But I mean part of me is wondering, like,
Speaker 2: are we now our parents?
Speaker 8: And yeah, yeah, absolutely, now we're the grown ups. You
Speaker 8: know that we have to teach you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it's it's wrong for me to want to hear
Speaker 2: English or at least words that I no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Disrespect. No.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're having your Chef Gordon hearing hip hop for
Speaker 6: the first time.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's just coming from a little bit of
Speaker 8: a different place than these kids.
Speaker 1: As far as I know, we started mumble. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: don't say nothing. That's my shield. No no.
Speaker 5: But so let me ask you this then, So, since
Speaker 5: you are so aware of the differences and whatnot, then
Speaker 5: how do you decide to do why smoke?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 8: Well, because he's a good young guy with the old soul,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. And he's been around for
Speaker 8: a while. He has his own little cult following, you know,
Speaker 8: which attracted me also with his skill set and you know,
Speaker 8: all like he's he's not he's different from certain younger
Speaker 8: generational artists, you know, like all right, some of my
Speaker 8: favorites are like Kendrick and Jake Cole and Action Bonds
Speaker 8: and Joey Badass. You know, the list goes on, you know,
Speaker 8: and then you have some that do their own thing.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, that people try to comprehend.
Speaker 8: And the part that's where I come in, where I'm saying, Look,
Speaker 8: you got to say something, man, you know, you got
Speaker 8: to talk to the people.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: We not We're not aliens, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: I don't know where your mind is at, but we
Speaker 8: people that want to comprehend with you.
Speaker 1: You know your.
Speaker 9: Message And it's funny.
Speaker 5: I made a joke, but and serious y'all. The title
Speaker 5: don't Smoke Rock. That's some serious thought. That's not a joke.
Speaker 10: Like tell people, it's not just a common you'll names smoke.
Speaker 7: You came up with that, Wow, it was just to
Speaker 7: play on words with our names, and I just felt,
Speaker 7: you know, with the times that we're in, it was
Speaker 7: just something positive. But I didn't really want to. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's it's kind of cliche eighty eight Ronald Reagan, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean. But but but really in the
Speaker 7: times that we're in right now, I mean, it's not
Speaker 7: too far from Malia any of the weird ship that
Speaker 7: they fucking with now. So I mean, you know, don't
Speaker 7: smoke rockets kind of like our powerful way of being, like.
Speaker 2: You smoking on chill Nick, chill off.
Speaker 8: But you know, this is just a great album. You know,
Speaker 8: we got Brick Bross on there, we got wile A
Speaker 8: mac Miller, the Locks camraon hm.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you smoking what was it like? Well,
Speaker 3: first off, were you aware you know of I mean
Speaker 3: Pete rock.
Speaker 2: Right Gott And uh yeah no seriously, so like working
Speaker 2: with him like Win died it, Win died it.
Speaker 1: I just Win died it.
Speaker 3: Shift to say like okay, like I want to be
Speaker 3: a fan, but now I gotta really, you know, do
Speaker 3: the work, you know what I'm saying, Like, was it
Speaker 3: ever a shift during the recording?
Speaker 13: I don't think it was ever a shift.
Speaker 7: I mean once pr made that initial call like YO,
Speaker 7: was up, you're trying to do this?
Speaker 1: It was like yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: Like of course, you know, and I kind of like
Speaker 7: I'm like a lucky fool, like you know, Flex sent
Speaker 7: me a Pete Rock beat, like, Yo, I need you
Speaker 7: to give me thirty two bars for my mixtape on
Speaker 7: this Pete Rock.
Speaker 1: That's how it started. And I'm like, well, that's how
Speaker 1: the work.
Speaker 13: That's that's how the working relationships started.
Speaker 7: And you know, from there, I was like overwhelmed, like, oh,
Speaker 7: it's a Pete Rock beat, Like he could have sent
Speaker 7: me whatever because he was saying and anybody else of
Speaker 7: a ship.
Speaker 13: And I got the Pete Rock beat. So I'm like,
Speaker 13: all right, let me let.
Speaker 7: Me show off so I can impress Pete so I
Speaker 7: can get another one. And then you know, that just
Speaker 7: trickle down to my project. And then he's like, yo,
Speaker 7: I want to keep this from mine and then it
Speaker 7: was like yo, let's just do a full length joint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it came about and it's easy to work
Speaker 2: with this guy.
Speaker 1: Get quick.
Speaker 2: Are y'all still tracking area? Where are you tracking? You're
Speaker 2: tracking in your crib or no?
Speaker 8: Right on thirtieth little spot okay, yeah, do ship fast
Speaker 8: and then quick.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you don't track vocals inside
Speaker 1: your house, you.
Speaker 8: Know I actually did. I did a few. But but
Speaker 8: what's known is a I did a mixtape for camp
Speaker 8: just thirty blocks. Well, I just did anything. You know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. It's just a mixtape. They can't loads
Speaker 8: of the type of group. They're spontaneous and they rap
Speaker 8: to any like anything like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So we just wanted to. We thought it would be
Speaker 8: a good idea to do it. And you know it's
Speaker 8: on my website proock dot com. You can download free
Speaker 8: because there's a lot of sample on that week clearing that.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, how I mean that's even though we're laughing
Speaker 2: about it, I mean for me, that's like taking the
Speaker 2: oxygen out of your tank, Like, how are you able
Speaker 2: to now navigate.
Speaker 1: Skillfully at least to the.
Speaker 2: Standard you're excellent, especially with the product project of this caliber,
Speaker 2: without your number one tool, well, which is the sample.
Speaker 8: Probably just listening to what's going on, listening to radio,
Speaker 8: listening to what people like, you know, listening to other producers,
Speaker 8: new ones, you know what they're doing, and just you know,
Speaker 8: take it all in and say, okay, you know, let
Speaker 8: me do it my way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: And then you'll find that out when you listen to
Speaker 8: Don't Smoke Rock. Yeah, good ship Yeah man, good ship Man.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you because I was always curious
Speaker 1: about it. Bb em BB was the label out of
Speaker 1: disrespectful that.
Speaker 3: Put out petrumentals and the surviving elements.
Speaker 2: That was that one was stolen.
Speaker 3: No, yo, I'm gonna be I'm gonna keep it all
Speaker 3: the way back with you. Somebody very close to me
Speaker 3: in my camp got a call to mix that record and.
Speaker 2: We were both he hit it. I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: don't do it. I said, don't touch that. I know, Pete.
Speaker 2: That guy is starting trouble, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So what was the what? What you want to know? What?
Speaker 1: You want to know? What happened?
Speaker 2: I saw him on the plane, man, and let loose
Speaker 2: on this guy. I couldn't put hands on him.
Speaker 1: I heard the story I heard.
Speaker 8: So I started spitting on him. I figured I was
Speaker 8: there because he disrespected me in the utmost worst way
Speaker 8: ever that no man could withstand, and I couldn't hold
Speaker 8: it back.
Speaker 1: I was on the plane with it. What way was that?
Speaker 1: What would somebody said or something he.
Speaker 8: Did something he did rather not, you know, go into
Speaker 8: the personal business. I'd rather say I remember the great period,
Speaker 8: but but what he did angered me.
Speaker 1: So that was and that was Spanner turning into the whole.
Speaker 2: And that was for the pet That was for the peatstrumentals,
Speaker 2: because then we did.
Speaker 8: That was for surviving of the elements. I was working
Speaker 8: on New York's finests and.
Speaker 2: Had some leftover beats on a drive that I left
Speaker 2: in the studio, which I shouldn't have did, and you
Speaker 2: know there somebody stole it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so interesting because from a consumer standpoint, BB
Speaker 5: had a whole error where it was just like dope ship,
Speaker 5: like from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dope ship for the people from people from here,
Speaker 2: from the producer friendly label. It wasn't he wasn't snatching
Speaker 2: nobody in Europe or nothing like that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't they did. I mean, we put our first.
Speaker 1: I remember that BB, and they did right.
Speaker 8: But I mean, you know when when I when we
Speaker 8: first discovered them, it was all love in the beginning,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, and then you know, we
Speaker 8: ended up having you know, I took out lawsuit and
Speaker 8: got paid one took him to court.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, because both of those wreck because it was
Speaker 2: you did instrumentals.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I took him the court too.
Speaker 2: Was on b B two, right, yeah, it was because
Speaker 2: we did that was after all of that though, because
Speaker 2: then they then the surviving of the elements came after
Speaker 2: those two A gotcha and then that's when you know
Speaker 2: that happened.
Speaker 1: Man, talk about un c L and where y'all at
Speaker 1: right now? I know, touring.
Speaker 8: We just did a month and a half on tour,
Speaker 8: no off days, just going hard, and I was like
Speaker 8: looking at Cel steaming once. You know, the lights the
Speaker 8: stage lights were so hot in one spot that he
Speaker 8: was sweating so much that when he came in the
Speaker 8: dressing room to sit down, he was literally steaming, like
Speaker 8: the steam was coming Marvel steam. And I'm like, I've
Speaker 8: never seen that ship before, Like, wow, this cat is
Speaker 8: hungry again. Yes, that's when we decided, you know, yeah,
Speaker 8: let's let's do this do this music shit again.
Speaker 1: So y'all talking to the album. Yeah, yeah, he got beats.
Speaker 1: He's on Cloud nine right now. Oh ship, So there's
Speaker 1: a chance that we might have a new Pete Rock
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 9: Wow, something to look forward to.
Speaker 3: Damn it, because I will say the records that y'all did,
Speaker 3: like front Post Breakup, I mean from the Love Thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they appreciate. Oh wow you like that?
Speaker 2: What wait wait wait climax she said? Client said climax,
Speaker 2: you said Client? Okay, I just felt that was a
Speaker 2: bad man. I didn't mix that. I didn't mix that
Speaker 2: was cool. The mixed money could have been climate. Which
Speaker 2: one was that one that was? It was Curtis. Curtis
Speaker 2: may give you.
Speaker 1: I remember you playing me that beat and I loved that.
Speaker 1: It was a bad mix of it. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: dude they had singing over I remember, I call.
Speaker 8: I would have made that, you know, if I was
Speaker 8: behind mixing it, it would have been much better sounding.
Speaker 1: And back on the block back mfs B member. Ye wait,
Speaker 1: what was that?
Speaker 8: Mfs B member One guy who made a solo album
Speaker 8: that was in Montana. There you go, Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 8: what you gotta say. Just he said his first name.
Speaker 8: People don't know Montana. They don't know who you're talking
Speaker 8: about unless they have a musician.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm trying to remember remember the record. You probably
Speaker 1: have the album. I know I do now I'm trying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I started singing. See the vibing.
Speaker 2: Then that was a joint, like, yeah, that was one
Speaker 2: of them joints.
Speaker 3: But now y'all de forming. I mean, y'all, you guys
Speaker 3: still sound. Every time y'all.
Speaker 8: Put out the current, that's still right now, people are
Speaker 8: gonna drop their jaws on their head.
Speaker 2: And what made y'all get to this point? Because I
Speaker 2: remember for it was really nasty. I just think even
Speaker 2: when it was like that, it wasn't totally. You know,
Speaker 2: it was a timing period where it did get you know, ugly.
Speaker 2: But then you know, even over the years, I put
Speaker 2: them on piece mental I snatched them so survivor so
Speaker 2: so survivor too.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: I was always reaching a handout. And then you know
Speaker 8: when when you're old and grown, yeah, you know you're like,
Speaker 8: all right, man, we were kids then you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying, fucking funk all that ship, you know that's
Speaker 8: up So that's why.
Speaker 1: So you still live in Mount Running right now? No,
Speaker 1: I'm in upstate New York. Okay. Yeah, it's quiet. People.
Speaker 1: People always like try to lure me up there, like
Speaker 1: just try, there's people up there.
Speaker 2: It's people something you say the artists. I don't want
Speaker 2: to put nobody on blast. No, but I mean, like,
Speaker 2: is it like, are you in the farm area.
Speaker 8: It's in the woodsy area, lots of deers and animals
Speaker 8: and ship.
Speaker 1: Really, and that's where I want.
Speaker 2: To I actually like it because it's you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's quiet, but I get work done.
Speaker 1: You know that's scared When I'm in the.
Speaker 2: Hood and everybody, are you scared going to get chased
Speaker 2: by gunk again?
Speaker 9: Yo?
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm running from them ships to man that ship
Speaker 2: get on you. You finished finished stinks And my dog
Speaker 2: got sprayed one time and the dog came in the house.
Speaker 2: My sisters just started immediately throwing up. It's bad up close,
Speaker 2: it's bad. Like is that tomato soup thing real?
Speaker 8: I think it works. I never had to do it,
Speaker 8: but I did it for my dog. It works to
Speaker 8: make tomato soup. Will get the skunk smell tomato soup,
Speaker 8: all kind of eating tomato sauce, anything, tomato ship. I
Speaker 8: just want to take a tomato bad tomato bat That's
Speaker 8: what we was doing for the dog. Tomato bad. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Do you and do you and grab grap lover ya
Speaker 2: still y'all still work.
Speaker 1: We haven't worked in well.
Speaker 8: I mean I think he put out an instrumental album
Speaker 8: of beats that we used to experiment with, and then
Speaker 8: you know he would learn from me and catch on
Speaker 8: and do ship himself and then put it.
Speaker 2: He put out an instrumental and actually half man, half amazing.
Speaker 8: He produced that. He produced it first. But he had
Speaker 8: these drums and he was like, I don't like the drums.
Speaker 8: And I didn't like them either, so he was like, yo,
Speaker 8: just change the drums.
Speaker 1: Speaking of drums. Okay, So when my beautiful, Twisted, Dark
Speaker 1: Fantasy album was getting announced and he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna use Pete Rock. Now, in my head, I thought
Speaker 1: you were going to make a fresh beat. I'm not mad.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not mad because he took one of
Speaker 2: one of your one of your best interlude beats of
Speaker 2: all time. But okay, when you're working in that environment,
Speaker 2: and plus you you also did the makings of you.
Speaker 1: Now that's when I first met Rose too. Okay, So
Speaker 1: when you're in that environment.
Speaker 2: Is it is it limiting when when you're working well,
Speaker 2: I don't mean limiting, because I also had this question
Speaker 2: for a Q tip when he made on wasch the throne,
Speaker 2: that's my bitch.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, beats that.
Speaker 2: Don't necessarily sound like it came from their cannon, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So in that particular envirralm because
Speaker 2: I felt like what they did was they stripped you
Speaker 2: down to your your your basic minimum, like were you
Speaker 2: presenting full fledged ideas to them?
Speaker 1: And they were just like yep, nope, we just want no.
Speaker 2: I was actually Kanye was picking beats.
Speaker 8: He picked like eight or nine and we narrowed it
Speaker 8: down to the one, but he did like two or
Speaker 8: three rhymed on one. He asked me phone to rhyme
Speaker 8: on the enjoy with him, but I wasn't ready, you know,
Speaker 8: to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, no, no, you know.
Speaker 2: It wasn't nothing, But I was just really sorry about
Speaker 2: your your your your vocal uh powers?
Speaker 1: Which nah, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: You made it you like I don't know you. You
Speaker 2: had a cool voice for it, like thanks, just like
Speaker 2: you were shot, Like how come you didn't produce that?
Speaker 1: I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's a grand pooba, Like who
Speaker 2: made you? Grand pool back here to win the buzz bees?
Speaker 1: Again? Blame for me?
Speaker 5: Rappings that they made you do to don't curse verse
Speaker 5: because I was like, do you.
Speaker 10: Want to do that?
Speaker 2: Those are the first rhymes I wrote by myself.
Speaker 1: Oh man man yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and then pool Boy wrote the Creator and
Speaker 8: Soul Brother.
Speaker 1: What three beats that were made? Were you? Just like, damn,
Speaker 1: I wish I made it? Like probably not.
Speaker 2: I feel some sort of way like I could make
Speaker 2: that better, but just like I wish, I mean that
Speaker 2: probably what three joints?
Speaker 1: Did you hear? It was just like or somebody got
Speaker 1: to the sample first?
Speaker 2: Well that's my second question, but just a completed song.
Speaker 2: I wish I produced this, probably like the power song
Speaker 2: I gave you power that pretymom did that right? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 2: what other joint? I was a lot of his joints.
Speaker 1: But you know.
Speaker 2: I have you have to ask me that another time
Speaker 2: at the interview. Then you know I have a better
Speaker 2: thought process like any joints?
Speaker 1: All? All right? So what sample.
Speaker 2: Did you have in your possession that you didn't realize
Speaker 2: that's where.
Speaker 1: That was a whole lot of ship or one that
Speaker 1: you had a plan for into it?
Speaker 9: Hmm.
Speaker 2: Kicking the door, Wow, I was cleaning it. I used
Speaker 2: to play it play playoffs. I'm gonna make something of
Speaker 2: this one day. Then boom premo.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember being at the crib. You showed
Speaker 3: us the sample for day Lost Pony Ride.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 8: With the record when you're doing this, when the record
Speaker 8: goes and they just you just tapped it.
Speaker 2: So I've learned too much today that it's overwhelming. So
Speaker 2: I'll just stop at Biggie hearing, Biggie hearing in the flesh,
Speaker 2: get me that being an autist, take a look what man.
Speaker 3: I learned that Pete Rock has probably the sharpest ears
Speaker 3: on any human beings that.
Speaker 2: Can pick out scenario. I mean, that's just amazing. I
Speaker 2: think that just them all my life. But that's I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been listening to it all night, but
Speaker 2: I can't hear him the way you're in. But uh
Speaker 2: but nah, man, it's it's just great just to be
Speaker 2: here with someone who inspired us and just who played
Speaker 2: such an integral part in my career, and to know
Speaker 2: that he still just has the love for the music
Speaker 2: and you know, just.
Speaker 1: Still has that integrity and it's still here. You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's so many cats from that era that weren't
Speaker 3: able to transition and weren't able to you know, you know,
Speaker 3: learn a new set of tools, you know what I'm
Speaker 3: saying for the new world, so to speak. So just
Speaker 3: to see him here and still doing it, you know,
Speaker 3: doing the records with smoke, reaching out to younger generation
Speaker 3: and uh, just still doing it, man, It's just it's
Speaker 3: really inspiring. And I'm happy he's still here with us,
Speaker 3: giving given given my heroes, the Flowers, while they live, waiting,
Speaker 3: not waiting till they passed, not waiting till you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 1: You gotta have a vigil or nah like.
Speaker 2: Tech and still too. On that note, On that note,
Speaker 2: because we did a song.
Speaker 1: About that, Sugar Steve, you would us. Yeah, what you
Speaker 1: learn man? Again, a lot of a lot of information overload.
Speaker 1: This was an information overload episode.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I learned Questlove wants to take a tomato bath.
Speaker 8: Said that if you gets sprayed by a skunk, he's
Speaker 8: gonna have to do that.
Speaker 1: I've gotten sprayed by a skunk. Oh wow.
Speaker 11: I Like, I'm worried about your dad's records being in
Speaker 11: your mom's basement.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I thought about Ron Control. It's
Speaker 1: good money down there. It's base that it's not moist.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Just because you haven't.
Speaker 11: And then you said, you know you still have all
Speaker 11: your discs from from all these you know.
Speaker 1: That's that's where I live now. Yeah, yeah, that's what me.
Speaker 1: I'm close next to me. So you wouldn't take your recollection,
Speaker 1: would you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course records, but you're sentimental like you I have.
Speaker 8: You know, my father's records are still at my mother's house.
Speaker 1: So you want them there for sentimental reason.
Speaker 2: Because I have to make room.
Speaker 6: How many records do you? Would you say you have
Speaker 6: like forty somewhere up there's probably more than that too. Like, look,
Speaker 6: my wife is just nuts because I keep bringing records and.
Speaker 1: No more. She's dead ass too, but.
Speaker 2: She knows your peate Rock, right, Yeah, it's like the
Speaker 2: reason why we have this house is yeah, one of
Speaker 2: these records will get you all right. So Bill, what
Speaker 2: I learned, I mean, I really just got confirmation of
Speaker 2: what I've always known is that Pete Rock is still
Speaker 2: one of my favorite producers. And the fact that I
Speaker 2: was actually able to sit in the room and talk
Speaker 2: beats and records with Pete Rock, I can pretty much
Speaker 2: die happy.
Speaker 1: Man right now.
Speaker 2: Scenarios it's like this, This is some dream true ship, right, God, blessed,
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming out, No problem, man, thank you,
Speaker 2: question me and quest go back. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: Oh, I have learned.
Speaker 1: Snares.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, no, I'm learning snares. Let's get absolutely true
Speaker 5: real I have learned that. And I've also learned that people.
Speaker 5: I got a lot in common with Ray Parker junior
Speaker 5: scenes though y'all been making great music since y'all were teenagers.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you realize that Parker was just
Speaker 8: on the Today Show.
Speaker 2: Actually he was just the Ray Parker's story is that
Speaker 2: we've heard Man Jack and Jill my favorite joint.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, and plus he's been on so many records
Speaker 1: that a lot of everything, a lot. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: credits on album.
Speaker 2: Damn he's on this ship though. Yeah, he's on somecure
Speaker 2: obscure records too, Like, yeah, we learn Ray Parker, we
Speaker 2: learned a lot, like all those Victor's records and played
Speaker 2: on all No No, No, No, No, No, Unhooked Generation, all that
Speaker 2: rape Parker. Wow, his Verry White stories are messing up
Speaker 2: his car. Yeah, this Barry White stories are oh my god.
Speaker 5: Wait I want to say one other thing that I learned.
Speaker 5: And you don't know this, but this is like the
Speaker 5: first time that I feel like a mere Bill and
Speaker 5: Fonte have fanned out over somebody's word at the same level,
Speaker 5: like we we we interviewed the Revolution, but the levels.
Speaker 9: Were different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But at this moment, it's just a really good feeling
Speaker 5: to see y'all all just kind of saut because and
Speaker 5: on my third note, I would also like to say
Speaker 5: that in all these years, Peter, I always thought it
Speaker 5: was dope that you got dudes on your side in
Speaker 5: this way, but you also move women in a different
Speaker 5: type of way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9: And we get to talk about that. But I know
Speaker 9: a lot of my girlfriends.
Speaker 2: Like heart felt take your time make heart felt ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, right.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about Troy. Troy real quick, man,
Speaker 1: I think we should real quick.
Speaker 8: Reminisce, well, you know Reminisce, you know happened in nineteen
Speaker 8: The beat making process started at the end of ninety one,
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety one, you know then you know made the
Speaker 8: full beat ninety two blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: You know, y'all want me to go in how I
Speaker 2: made it? Yes, okay, wait, we didn't ask about your
Speaker 2: talk about the albums.
Speaker 1: I sucked, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: I took took a drum loop that's familiar, you know,
Speaker 8: and added that Tom Scott and then the elements afterwards and.
Speaker 1: Rest was history.
Speaker 2: Who directed that video, Marcus ray Boy, That video like
Speaker 2: actually went on perfectly captures the mood of that song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we was.
Speaker 8: That was the first video that we did and we said, wow,
Speaker 8: this ship really matches what you're talking about, Like Marcus
Speaker 8: did such a great job on that video, and it
Speaker 8: was freezing when we did that, really freezing.
Speaker 1: There's there's.
Speaker 2: There's an MC from Philadelphia that was like way younger
Speaker 2: the generation yeap young and uh wait wait wait here's
Speaker 2: the here's here's the thing with with black people, like
Speaker 2: we'll we'll know the song, but we'll just title anything
Speaker 2: you don't say, well, no, I used to joke that,
Speaker 2: uh like barbarestis saying Evergreen used to be called love
Speaker 2: soft of the easy chair or the way we were.
Speaker 2: The way we were was memories like the corner of
Speaker 2: my mind. But this kid, who's here's the dope. MC
Speaker 2: used to always say his favorite song was Mama getting
Speaker 2: married in the house.
Speaker 1: Woo you know.
Speaker 2: That song, Mama getting married the house? That's all he
Speaker 2: I love my no. Now he's a young kid, I mean,
Speaker 2: but he knows. Yeah, that's that's funny.
Speaker 1: Not black people. And some time it's so funny talk
Speaker 1: about was that like that song about my joye Joy?
Speaker 2: I still call cross Roads Uncle Charles relatable.
Speaker 1: The song is relatable, exactly. Smoke. This is final words?
Speaker 1: Did you this is our nerd out session?
Speaker 13: Did you you trust me? I learned that y'all mold some.
Speaker 12: Technically stupid history, you know, But but I enjoyed it though,
Speaker 12: because you know.
Speaker 13: Like, I'm a nerd.
Speaker 1: I like I like wrestling.
Speaker 13: I'm a wrestling nerd.
Speaker 1: Have you done have you done cheap heat? Peter Rosenberg?
Speaker 13: Cheap heat?
Speaker 7: But Peter, Peter is my man, so I guess we
Speaker 7: got cheap heat anytime we texted talking about it on
Speaker 7: the phone. But we did WrestleMania together and all that
Speaker 7: type of stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm one of those kinds.
Speaker 8: Well, he's It's funny because one time I was in
Speaker 8: San Francisco on tour and this cat is out there.
Speaker 8: I'm thinking he's on the road and you know doing
Speaker 8: some shows. I'm like, what you're doing here. He's like, Yo,
Speaker 8: I'm at the wrestling.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 2: He's out there just for that. He didn't no rap shit,
Speaker 2: just out there wrestling. It was crazy. It's crazy with it.
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