WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Pete Rock 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:00.720 Of course. 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.680 Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.600 was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.200 Yo Yo Yo, what up? This is Fante Fantigolo. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:15.680 We're gonna take it back to December fourteen, twenty sixteen with. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.920 My big brother Pete Chocolate Boy Wonder. The number one 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.799 soul brother, producer, rapper, hip hop legend. Pete Rock told 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.120 us about his deep knowledge of music recording and the 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.159 art of sampling. My man Smoke Gizza joins him on 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.200 this one. I think he says like one word can. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.879 He was just like overwhelmed with all the lyricshuit we 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.159 were talking. But anyway, this is a great episode. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.239 Pete Rock one of my biggest influences, the reason why 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:41.880 I quit my fucking job. 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.920 QLs classic Pete Rock. Let's go. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:58.840 Suprema Suck Suck Suprema roll call, Suprema Suck Suck Suprema 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:05.320 roll call, Suprema Sun sub Suprema. Role called Suprema Sun 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.399 Sun Suprema roll call. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:08.800 My name is Questlove. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.720 Yeah here there's still no thunder, Yeah, but I'm really honored. 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.959 Yeah, chill much, Chocolate Boy Wonder Supreme. 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:23.319 Su su Suprema role called Suprema Sun Sun Suprema role call. 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:29.200 Yeah, it ain't no other Yeah, I haven't been to Mecca. Yeah, 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.959 go on with the soul brother Supreme. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:38.839 Sun, Suprema role called Suprema Suck Sun Supreme. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:46.920 Role called Sugar. Yeah, loan yeah, yeah, ro. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:55.080 Call Suprema Suprema role call Suprema Suprema. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:55.080 Role ca. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:04.560 Yeah you know yeah rock here, Yeah, gonna. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:11.480 Suprema Suprema roll called Suprema something Suprema. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:15.040 Roll bill is here. Yeah, so have no fear. Yeah, 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.559 very down to earth. Yeah, and I didn't have to curse. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:27.160 Suprema roll call Supremack Suprema roll call. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:29.000 Yeah. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:34.960 The flex is crazy. Yeah, I'm super Yeah, so. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:43.120 Supprima Suprema roll call Suprema Suprema roll call. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:44.560 My name is Pete Rock. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:45.080 Yeah. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.920 Sometimes I rap yeah, no times I sing yeah, Ding Ding. 0:02:53.800 --> 0:03:04.040 Supreme Suprema Premo Supremore. 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:14.560 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another edition of Quest Love Supreme. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.519 This Quest Love. Welcome to Team Supreme. How you guys doing. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:24.320 We're good? Baby, we should here, uh right now we 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.400 are with Oh we got two special guests. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.560 Actually this is our first combo Yeah combo show that 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.160 we've done a revolution. 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.120 Well revolution was like that was like a special news 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.320 super Bowl, Yeah, breaking news. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.640 Yeah, that was like a very special episode of an 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:44.080 eighty six. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:50.960 Yes, but they talked about child abuse. Everyone of these 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.760 things are doubly a special difference. 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.040 When he was in there in the shot with that 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:03.440 ship could never get aired at least doing ads for Uber. Now, yeah, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.280 I saw it was on I saw on Facebook. He's 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.120 in an ad for Uber. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.560 How do you know this? It was on Facebook? 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.440 Like did you spot Oh that's Dudley just someone somebody 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:17.600 else saw. Anyway, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.960 Smoke does it and they one and only Pete Rock 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:26.680 Yeah all right, so we're going to get into everything 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.000 nerd out. I mean, Pete, this is as as as 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:36.640 a person obsessed with music. I love picking the brain 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:41.960 of of just someone who is majorly, majorly, majorly majorly 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.120 obsessed with music. So this is this is an honor 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.960 for us. Oh God, bless man, you know. Privilege. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.080 All right, So, uh, Pete, welcome to uh the show. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:52.520 It's my first time on your show. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:54.560 I think this is our first time. 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.320 Like's I don't feel like a veteran until we get 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:03.560 to episode one, yeah to you know till that time, 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.599 it'll be around. Man, I don't even know where to start. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.599 So man, I would start with I've told the story before, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.080 but I've never told him. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.880 You're the reason I quit my job. You told me 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.320 that everyone. That's a job story. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.120 He's the reason I quit my job. So, d what 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.960 song was it that made you like? Well, it wasn't 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.040 a song. It was a phone call. It was a 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.800 phone call. And this is back in two thousand and 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.799 two when we hit the listening had just it hadn't 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.359 come out, come out, but it was kind of just 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.280 selling on hip hop site and it was just kind 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:43.240 of circulating. And our homeboy, Darryl Powell worked the Up 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:47.640 Above Records, called my house and left. He had Pete 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.560 on three way and called my house and left the message, 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.400 and Pete like, Yo, what up his little brother? You 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.080 know what I'm saying, Chuck Boy wanted to Pete Rock 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.640 got to get you all on the piece of my album. 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.640 I got your album listen that's crazy, And I quit 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:06.680 my job at Belt that very next day. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.080 Because he said your album was crazy. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.200 Pete was crazy and it was even more of content 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.599 from Circle because I told you before too. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.599 My and I was in tenth grade. This is when 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.400 main ingredient came out. A girl that went to my 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.200 high school named Deborah Jones. She was in a poetry 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.320 contest and the winner of the poetry contest got a 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.800 performance from Pete and cl. Wait what this is? I 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.200 sweart Page High School, Greensboro Final. She she wanted a 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.200 poetry contest and she read the poem. I don't even 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.280 remember what the poem was about. 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:36.880 What does she win? She want? 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.160 Well, she want a poetry contest and it was like 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:44.400 a poem. It was like a black poem about a 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.680 black issue. I don't remember what the issue was, but 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.480 I just remember Pete and cl came out fucking school. 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:53.520 That was all the matter was. And then they got 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:54.200 to performance. 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.240 The winner of the poetry contest got a performance by 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:58.200 pet and CL at their. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.640 School like a radio promotion. 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:01.400 I wasn't ready. It was something. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.280 I don't know who was doing it, but obviously he 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:08.280 was in February, but Mayy greed it came out. 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.280 It was winter time. I don't think it was. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.160 Cold because it was during track season, because I remember 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.560 I was late to track practice because I was in 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.360 the front and I had my Meccan No, I'm sorry, 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.720 I had the main Ingredient CD, and I remember holding 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.320 it up, and I remember you came to the side 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:25.000 of you're one. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.040 Of those guys that hold up the record. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.560 I held up the record because I knew I was 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.760 at like a predominantly white high school. But like it 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.240 was like said maybe like seventy thirty, sixty forty, but 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.280 like it was a lot of white people, but like 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.440 the black people we had were like black? 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:46.040 How many how many people? How many fans black? Yo? 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.320 How many people could fit in the auditorium? Oh? Man? 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:50.920 All the term it was a couple of hundred. It 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.880 was like this, four or five hundred. See, this is 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.000 my worst nightmare doing in my career. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.400 The high school visit is my worst nightmare because this 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.960 is never ever worked out. It only worked out once, 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.880 and that's because me and gave a gangload of money. 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.680 To our high school. The only time ever worked out. 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.720 But so p Rock and Sales Moove came to your 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.360 high school. Came high school and what year was this? 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.400 This is ninety five. This is main Ingredient hit like 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:21.280 just came out. 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:26.600 Man. You guys were receptive oh my god. It was 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:27.400 losing it, dude. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.560 So I have nightmares, like my first time in a 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.040 in a school scenario. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:34.800 You know, the first question. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.079 Was asked, do you know real famous people like Andre? 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:41.440 I'm sorry? 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:47.120 Oh yeah, kids, Yeah, yeah, you're that all day? Uh 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:53.160 this was like two thousands. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.800 Yeah, oh yeah I was. I was. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.880 That's my stuff, Yeah, stuff, real famous. My daughter asked 0:08:59.920 --> 0:09:04.640 me finding new Kendrick Lamar? Oh yeah, she loves Kendrick. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.959 Well that's excusable, but I mean she knows who daddy is, right, Yeah, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:09.480 of course she does. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:10.840 Yeah, yeah, that's that's the point. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:11.679 But what was your answer? 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.760 You my son too, what was your answer? 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.079 Do you know Kendrin Lamar? 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:16.440 No? I don't know Kenrick. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.240 I just want to know, do you go? You know 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.760 Kendren Lamar knows me? That's the bigger point. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.280 That they know each other. Yeah, but he probably knew 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.520 me first. How old are that now? How old are 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:28.040 kids now? 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.320 My kids eleven and seventeen? 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.400 Oh okay, yeah, I remember I was around the same 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.360 age mine or fifteen and eleven six. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.480 We're around were around the same way. 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.480 Absolutely, But yeah, but he came out to school that 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.920 day tenth grade and I remember I was late to 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.600 drag practice because I gave him, which I hope in 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.360 prayer to God he had never heard. I had a 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.599 homie work in all TC that was like outside the 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.400 dressing room, and I was like, yo, mane to tape 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.680 the peak and I made like the whackest fucking demo ever. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.959 But you know what, all our demos were whacking begin 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.600 either mine really terrible. Really my beat making was horrible. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.559 But I mean, you know, at least to me, that's 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:06.760 what I. 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.440 Want to know, and that's to you. That's because I 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:10.320 were at your crib. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.240 You played me some stuff from like early and I'm like, dude, 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:13.520 this sh. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.840 Is oh got a lot of that stuff for real 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.439 old from the twelve every day. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.600 I still like, all right, so there's like no feeling 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:29.320 in the world. There's a period I'll say, like like 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.760 ninety six, ninety seven, maybe ninety or not ninety five 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:37.760 ninety six, because actually Pete was the first hip hop 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.440 like celebrity or royalty that made music. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:43.080 No no, no, no, no no no no. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:47.240 I just mean like that kicked it with us now 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:52.000 the roots, I mean, because we instantly moved to London 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.000 for like two to three years. We really didn't bust 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.040 it out with none of our like contemporaries or whatever. 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.360 But like when we came back, I remember we met 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.000 you at a college and that was the first time 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.599 like I felt like, oh, like legitimate, not like I 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.520 don't even want to use me for me anymore, but 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:10.840 you know, I'm going with this. It was in Philly, 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.360 nah we it was Holy Jesus, this was in North Carolina. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.000 Oh wow, it was a people. It was It was 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.760 a peak rock roots show. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.439 It was like a it was like a homecoming thing. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.280 But because the promotion was a little messed up. We 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.400 were in a big giant stadium, but there was. 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.199 Only like many people, sixty people. Was like, U and 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.600 C was it? Duke? Was it? All I can say 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.440 was I definitely know was nineteen ninety seven. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.160 Okay, I have to look that up, because you know, 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.200 by this point, I was like, damn, like we like 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.720 we really didn't start meeting our heroes in hip hop 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.560 and contemporaries and hip hop till like ninety seven, ninety eight. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.200 So to go from like ninety two to ninety seven 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.200 with a complete drought of not knowing any Wu Tang 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.080 members any like nobody in hip hop crazy and so 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.800 that's what I remember. But the other part of that 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.040 story is the fact that I'll say that between you 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.760 and the Whip, that you had always playing beats in 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.040 the car like him and Premiere. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.480 Are always always known. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.360 Premiere was known for his van like Cats would call 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.760 it Premiere to bring his van, to bring his van 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.000 to the studio to test it. I'm one of those 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.120 people for him too, like always just sitting in the 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.079 passenger seat, listen to listen to it. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.040 Do you still test records like that, Peet, It's still 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.800 the car test. I have to because I am too. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.000 I'm the same way I have to. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.280 I'm from the old school, so you know, hey, you 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:46.120 know or the true school people say, but yeah, that 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.480 was one of the things we did. We make about 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.440 ten twenty thirty beats in the crib. Then you know, 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:53.840 when you come out, you just get in the whip 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.839 and drive around New York City and buy about So 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.640 how old were you do that with Big L in 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.599 the call one time? Really just behind the court, me 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.839 and Harlem chilling Bronx. He's riding around free styling to 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:12.680 my beach wow cassettes. Yeah, I had you know, cassettes 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.240 was cracking. I had the Benzi you know you take 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:16.120 the Benzi box. 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:21.400 Oh yeah, take care you know the music. 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.520 You could turn the bass notes like you know, the 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.280 Mega hurts up or down in my car, And when 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.880 you turned it down it sounded so loud coming down 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:32.599 the block. And then when you turned it up it 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.400 was it was kind of like off, but you still 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:35.160 heard the effect. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.440 I love my car. That was a crazy system in there. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:43.680 That must have been pre Juliani, like Everson post Giuliani. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.720 New York has been a very quiet, like the idea 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.200 of a loud car. I'm one of those guys like 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.600 look at people like shaking my head, turn that music down. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:57.680 So how how old were you when you I know 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.679 that you started record collected at a young age. What 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.600 what got you into just records? 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:07.160 My pops? 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.360 You know, just you know, I was young, like say 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.880 three four years old, just intrigued by a little round 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.880 piece of wax with with good sound coming off it. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.760 So I was, you know at that time, that's all 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.920 I knew what it was. And then I would go 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.520 in the living room and my pops had all his records, 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.920 all his forty fives, and one time he came home 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.680 from work and he seen me stacking his forty fives 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.080 up in a pile like like this, and then he 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.800 just sat there and told me what it was and 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:37.800 taught me about it. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.040 And you know, so he was never there's no whooping. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.160 I'm like, I mean, no whipping. But you know, he 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.680 scolded me and then he taught me, oh yeah, because 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.680 I wasn't allowed to touch nah, I mean I did 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.640 you know that wasn't the right thing to do to 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.920 me messing with his records. But I was a young kid, 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:57.440 you know what I mean. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.600 My worst punishment came after the Adventures a grand Master 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.400 Flash on the wheels is steal. Oh wow, like hearing 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.640 that even trying to scratch getting caught in the summer 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.200 of eighty one, the worst thing ever. Yeah, Flash drove 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.720 me crazy as a kid. So he like, was your 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.800 father DJ? Or he just collected record? Yeah, DJ DJ 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.400 and record collect Where would he? Where did he cricket player? 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.040 You know? You know, Matt cricket trophies? 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.040 Really because both of your parents Jamaica, right, Yeah, so 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.200 you had all kinds of music. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:34.120 Did reggae, classical, soul, funk, jazz especially, and you know 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.000 but reggae being that with Jamaican. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:40.240 So but he had everything. So as a youngster, like 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.760 what what was playing. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.400 In James Brown all day? 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:48.920 JB's James Brown, Bobby Bird, you know, Barry White and 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:53.880 all the usual usual stuff, Barry White, Isaac. You know, yeah, 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:54.760 you know what I'm saying. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:59.320 All right, So besides the the ABC's of breakfeasts, like 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.560 what's the what's an unusual break beat? Like a joint 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.480 that I would have to pay two hundred dollars for that? 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.400 You like, Oh, I grew up on disco tech soul, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:07.280 I've had that. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.680 Oh like what rare break? Did your dad just happen 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:11.160 to have that? 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:12.480 Well, he had all of that stuff. 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.120 I mean he had all the Coon and Gang, he 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.320 had all the James Brown, he had all the Isaac, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.600 he had all of like reggae joints that have break 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:22.240 beats on him. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:23.760 You also have to remember that a lot of those 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.160 records got inflated in price because of that man right there. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.680 We're going to get to it's we're going to get 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.560 to that that dig today and I just look at 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:38.600 the prices like wow, for reminists, Tom Scott, Tom's got 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.000 I've seen that joint for like a thousand dollars. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.080 Serious, Wow, you know I'm not I'm lying to you not. Yeah, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.800 even dealers stuff that I find. Oh yeah, yeah, a 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:48.840 lot of money for it. 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.160 I was going to say that, Yeah, that record shopping 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:57.920 and the adventures of you record shopping is crazy. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:16:59.720 So what point does this. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:04.119 Become a thing where you want to actually did he 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.280 have DJ equipment or just like a record collection? 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.760 He had DJ equipment, But when I was like three 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.000 four years old, he had the one turntable with the 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.320 McIntosh amps and these these speakers that and you know. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:23.400 Just a whole McIntosh household. Yeah, that was rare, especially 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.040 for a black family. Yeah. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.320 He had the black with the green lights, you know, 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.800 the black amp with the green lights and now yeah 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:35.280 electric lad Yeah yeah, those amps are incredible right now. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.600 To get a Macintosh system now is rare. It's rare. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.879 It's a house payment. Yeah, it's very rare. And you're 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:42.360 gonna pay. 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.600 You're gonna pay an pay a thirty forty like so 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.480 good yep, Oh my god. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.360 You grew up in the So he was a serious record. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.920 Yeah, serious with sound, very serious. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:54.320 Very serious. 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:55.720 Is he still is that still with us? 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:56.000 Oh? 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.639 No, he left us in two thousands. 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.080 So he was here long enough to see. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.880 Yeah, yeah, he's seen reminiscs. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.600 He's seen obviously his collection became your collection. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.320 Yeah yeah, so it's in my mother's basement, and you 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.560 know he left the records with me and my brother. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:13.760 You know what I'm saying. 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.560 I see it's a lot. That's how I started my 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:16.320 collection from his. 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.239 All right, So at what point do you does this 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:26.800 become a profession? Probably mm hmm. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:33.040 You know when I got this job and Steady gigs out? 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.520 Does it start in the park like it started start 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.000 a young age. Now, this is Mount Vernon, right, you 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.199 were born up there. Yeah, I was buying like you know, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.560 twelve inches sucking. See, he's all the you know, King 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.760 Tim the Third, all that stuff, Fat Boys, all that 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.199 stuff on Suture records. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.800 And so was there hip hop folklore as far as 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.520 like the folklore we hear about parties in the Bronx 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.080 and stuff like what is what is Mount Vernon's version 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.640 of that legends that you grew up. 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:05.600 Watching like my cousin Floyd Chiba M and DJ Speed 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:10.520 and Bomb two and have you know, everybody had different 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.080 names at the time. My name wasn't Pete Rock. He's 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.359 name wasn't Heavy d c L's name wasn't CL's move. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.080 You know what I'm saying. Everybody took on different names. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:25.359 But you know, you know when he started everything, you know, 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.520 he was the first artist to start rapping and you know, 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.359 actually trying to make a record and get. 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:36.240 Signed from Mount Vernon. Yeah, and then we just followed him. Okay, okay, 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.000 you know what I'm saying. And you know it started 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:40.840 for me early man, early age. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:46.159 So who's the one that like. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:49.720 My cousin well Eddie f had had showed me how 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.520 to work it, you know what I'm saying. And then 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.040 I picked up tips from like everybody I was around, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:59.960 from Teddy Riley to to Molly mal Large professor. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:01.600 You know, so Tedy could get busy on the S 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:02.320 twelve hundred. 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:08.760 I've seen it in the studio. Really, I'm pretty sure 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.480 he used it for something that I. 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.640 Was about to sake, because like now you don't think 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.399 of him using ASP like he's not. 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.040 Yeah, but that was something that I married, you know 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.480 what I'm saying. I just you know, oh, aeskub twelve hundred, 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.879 because I remember the twelve before the twelve hundred. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:24.360 Yeah, did you ever use the twelve? Yeah? 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.600 I used the twelve and the separate hard drive, and 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.120 I was just doing kicking snare beats with little rim 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:30.879 shot sounds. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.359 And you know how many seconds could a twelve hole? Not? 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.080 Man like? It was like ten right? Ten? No? 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.320 No, that's the twelve hundred was ten point two. It 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.880 was like five seconds. Yeah, so the twelve was less. 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:43.000 Put everything in forty five? Yeah, speed up. 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.800 Well on the twelve you did that, but well, how okay, 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:47.520 here's the secret. 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:49.520 I'm about to let you out. You know the secret. 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:54.480 Okay, with the twelve hundred, right, I would sample what 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.040 I needed to sample, whether it was the baseline, whatever 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:01.320 time I used up drums baseline, If it was just 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.359 those two, then I would, you know, get that right 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:05.160 right tight? 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.680 K that? Then save it right, then. 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:13.840 Erase it whoa, then erase the baseline out of the drums, 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.240 and then add more music in the drums. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:17.760 I didn't. 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.000 I wasn't doing the forty five trick yet, oh you 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.480 just yeah, I wasn't doing that. I wasn't putting records 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.359 on forty five to get all what I need. No, 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.320 I was just getting it regular. Why I don't know. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.800 It was just the way I learned, and it was 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.600 the hard to me. Now that I look at what 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:37.880 I did, I'm like, damn, that's a lot of work 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.480 I did. Yeah, like super extra crazy you use like 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:42.560 a nine hundred or. 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:43.440 But I didn't care. 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.520 I was I had. I was having fun. So when 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.119 you're having fun, you know, you're not thinking about you know, 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:49.080 none of that. 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.200 And just to give the listeners some perspective, I mean, 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.600 this is like when you talk about sampling records and 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:59.240 sampling time for a machine, I mean the twelve point 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.280 so we had ten seconds to sample whatever you want. 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.320 So sometimes I got the whole like the world is 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.639 yours got the whole loop and one you know what 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.680 I'm saying, didn't have to you know, erase, but reminisce. 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:13.400 I had to do that. 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.119 Yeah, I mean because you were like one of the 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.960 first producers. 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:22.159 I remember that would layer samples and all of it 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.360 would be in key, and I was like, yeah. 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:25.240 Doing this ship. 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.680 But if you notice, if you listen, not that wasn't 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:30.639 like that at first. I used to just sample whatever 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:32.119 out of key. 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:32.920 I ain't care. 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:37.280 I'll just I learned that from sitting in bomb Squad sessions, 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.600 and I was, you know, just watching the Ice Cube 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:40.680 album Go Down Dog. 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:47.920 Wait, wait, you can't just say that like America. 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:52.960 I was watching Hanking and Keith and that and that. 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.200 I picked that up, you know, listening to Public Enemy. 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.879 Of course, you just sit in on sessions. 0:22:58.000 --> 0:22:58.240 Yeah. 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:03.560 Yeah, Green Street we worked in the same studio Green Street. 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.600 Was Jamie was he engineering that? James? He was Jamie. 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:10.919 I met Jamie and Chun King and then that's how 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.680 I mean Jamie hooked up. Then I met Rod Way, 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:18.520 who's an agent cat engineer in Green Street. I was 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:20.080 working with Rod first. 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.720 So during those Bomb Squad sessions. How old were you. 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.639 At that time, seventeen eighteen and your first record you 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:27.840 produced was. 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:33.280 Goofy Chill Starting from Zero. 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:39.919 Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And I didn't know what I 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.480 was doing in the studio, and some but me and 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.359 Jamie wasn't was arguing a lot, and you know, I 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:46.359 didn't know what I was doing. 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:47.439 Make this sound like that. 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:49.159 Yeah, you know, I was just trying to get it 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.200 the way, you know, the way I made it at home, 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:53.639 and it wasn't working out. And then all of a sudden, 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:55.720 you know, it started working out. 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:57.719 You know what I mean. And then next thing you know, 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:01.440 I'm at another session using Amy and then next thing 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.520 you know, we developed you started yelling. 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:08.840 Yeah. 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:11.600 So in the beginning, were you one of the cats 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:16.480 like back when I'm like, like I ever had a 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.439 beat making period, it was a period like cats on 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:26.680 no but like yeah right, but you know, cats would 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:28.399 just come over with a bunch of records to me 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.160 and be like, all right, now, loot this part here, 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:31.280 that part there. 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.640 So was that like your beginnings, you would. 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.400 I had very few people that did that. 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.000 But I remember a story that Biz told me that 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:42.480 he used to, you know, give Molly records and Molly 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:43.119 would hook up. 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:43.520 You know. 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:47.840 That's how nobody buss Nobody used to Biz happened a 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.560 couple of the joints. But yeah, I barely did that. 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.280 I was just I was just cranking them out, man, 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:57.520 just you know, having fun, you know what I'm saying. Like, So, 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.359 how many hours a day would you all day wouldn't 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:00.800 come all right. 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.080 From your from your first time that you like were 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:04.920 trying to get a master? 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:07.560 How many hours would you invest in date. 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.520 Locked in my room from morning until I could start, 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.639 until I until I got tired and then get up 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:14.280 and do it again. 0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:15.240 You know what I'm saying. 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.160 So how long was it until you were like until 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.840 I started, as I might I might have something here? 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:23.840 Like how long did I think I was like nineteen 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.359 when I was like like starting to lock in, because 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.080 that's when I got to shut him down. 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:32.320 Job. Now that's not before that. 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.879 I was doing like, you know, remixes with Eddie F 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:36.720 and stuff, Johnny Gill, Basic. 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.080 Black you did, Alexander, I did that. 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.919 I got Yeah, I got ye in the middle and 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.040 then uh, we'll see il wrapped on it. I wrapped 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.600 on it and then you know the remixes. That's where 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:48.120 it started. 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.879 And then when that's I guess, you know, being as 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.120 that my name was attached to a lot of this stuff, 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.840 untouchables or whatever, and I got I got it. 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:01.119 I got a public enemy job. So the Untouchables was 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.320 kind of your version of the bomb squad kind of 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.040 who was something else? 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:13.080 It was me Eddie F, Dave Hall Neville novelle, Yeah, ye, 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.200 my man, my man Kenny, my man Kenny was in 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:23.200 Kenny Green Yeah, spunk, bigger cat from Mount Vernon. And 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.919 and that's it, I think. And my man Willie Willie 0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:30.560 from from from like eight of y'all Willie Gunns, my 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:31.840 man Willy Guns. 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.720 So when working on a heavy D record, like do 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:35.960 y'all just sit in the room. 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.080 And buy that it wasn't all of us all the time. 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:41.640 Like Dave Hall would do his own beats and then 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.520 like for instance, you know the group intro, come on, 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.520 you know I did you know ghosts? 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:51.879 So you did that? Let me be the one you 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.600 gave him. I did that. 0:26:55.760 --> 0:27:01.320 I did that first on on with them always have wait, no, no, no, 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.160 it was yeah, I think I can't remember it. 0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.280 Was it was it was had first because Blue Funk 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.800 was ninety two, yeah, and then Intro. 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.320 Was ninety three. It was the next Yeah. 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:15.080 So when when when Yeah, when they heard heavy, when 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:16.639 they heard heavy record, you know how they do the 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.320 arm beach hip hop beach. 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.080 It's like reggae ships. Like everyone wanted to sing the verse. 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:24.080 But then I gave Dave Paul these drawing program these drums, 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:25.920 and I said, yah, you know, on the disc and 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.280 just gave him, as you know, a floppy disk and 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:31.199 I said, there's drums on that, just you know, and 0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:32.399 then he made that joint. 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.679 Wow, I had no clue because I played that record 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.560 top I love that record. Yeah, man, God bless bro So. 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.200 Wait, I just I got I got a non music 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.359 professional question. When was the blow Niggas Away moment? Was 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.600 your blow Niggas away moment? And when you were seventeen, 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.520 like when you first started shut them down with your 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:50.320 blow Niggas away? 0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.160 But what Haavy? Everybody who wanted to impress. 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.000 Was like what even my own family? Yeah but wait 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:56.840 a minute, cousins. 0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:03.000 Everybody got it for me though, Yeah, all right your 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.080 remix now I knew, yes, yes, shut him down like 0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:10.800 change the game. Yeah, but the remix to E. P. 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:15.680 M D's uh Ram Rampage, which came out before then. 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.840 I did two different versions that, Yeah, but the disco 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:20.639 techt so version. 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:28.760 All right, wait now now I'm getting I have to 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:30.400 play Williams. 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:36.320 Yes, that that is joint. That to me, that that 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.120 made me aware of who you were. 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:43.880 And I'm shocked that that didn't get more more more run. 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.200 I mean, I think I was running it a lot 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.360 when I was on the radio DJ. I was playing 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:51.080 my own remixes like whatever, you know what I mean? 0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:55.720 But yeah, so the remixes this was before all sold 0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:56.800 out was this before. 0:28:58.840 --> 0:28:59.280 That's right. 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:01.440 At the same time, I was doing a lot of 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.160 like okay, here's the story. I did Down with the 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.120 King and Jump Around remix in the same night and 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:08.600 hit Factory on forty seconds. 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:10.120 Did the tracks the same night. 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.000 No mixing it in the studio. Yeah, like finishing it 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.720 because they were stressing for me to get stuff done, 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:21.080 so I would, you know, do well. Actually, it was 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:24.000 Down with the King session and they booked another room 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.320 for me to finish the remix to the house. 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:28.640 Wow. 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.240 That's and then they wanted me to rap on it, 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:32.960 and I was like, I don't know if I want 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:34.880 to rap on it. You know, I wasn't big on 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.080 my wrap back then, but it was like please please, 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:39.160 And I was like all right, fuck. 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:39.640 You know. 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.120 I did one with and one without, you know what 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.120 I mean. I did it some Jackson case ain't. 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:45.800 Like, Yeah, that was one of my favorite ones because 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:49.040 you really took that record like it gave it another feel. 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:53.560 It's still had energy. Yeah, the original was really was. 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.240 It was still really great till till this day. 0:29:57.040 --> 0:30:00.880 But the remix was something that just kind of put 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:02.719 the cherry on top of that record period. 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.680 Okay, let me explain to our listeners to put in 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:12.320 perspective if you were around for our. 0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:20.320 Dante the scrub Ross episode when I tried to explain 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.840 the idea of the Renaissance period of hip hop. So 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:30.160 for a lot of our listeners, I mentioned this volume 0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.840 of break beats, this compilation called Ultimate Beats and Breaks, 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:40.520 which essentially would be the Wikipedia of hip hop break beats, 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.920 where they would just give you all the answers. You 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.680 didn't have to do much digging. You would just take 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.840 these records and then start loop and beats. And sometimes 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.000 they would take make beats out of the entire record, 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.959 like take sil Johnson's different strokes and mix it with 0:30:59.080 --> 0:30:59.600 Bobby Birds. 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:01.120 I knew that soul and all that stuff. 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:06.040 So where you come to play is that you're part 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:11.120 of a renaissance period that starts emerging in nineteen ninety you, 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:11.960 along with. 0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:17.160 Tippinally premieres getting his game up. 0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:24.800 Yeah, Prince Paul Larsh Professor, and you know from Philly. 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:26.400 I gotta include Jeff and this. 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.360 Is I mean even cash Money and Marvelists. 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:29.680 Yeah. 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:34.160 So what what is happening is cats are now finding 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:39.520 other sources to sample their music from that's not from. 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:45.640 YouTube. That's the new ultimate vizza breaks. 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:47.920 I mean, you know, for people that don't want to 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:49.640 go out there and you know, do what I do. 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.320 Yeah, but it's like, can you really tell those like no, 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.560 not really, you can't tell that. Yeah, there was a 0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.960 period where you knew who was serious about the craft 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:06.880 and who wasn't. And I'm not taking away because again, uh, 0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.680 the Bomb Squad is one of my favorite oh yeah 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.680 production companies of all time. And yeah, but I heard 0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:16.680 of ice Cube Sister Soldier Remix I did came out 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:17.840 on Epic Records. 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.040 No, back in the day. No, what was the name 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.959 of this. I gotta get that. Sister Sister Soldier. 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.000 Sister Soldier made records. 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:32.000 I have the. 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:37.240 Google ice Cube Sister Soldier Remix came out on Wax 0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:41.160 and everything. Really, you just brought it to my attention 0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:44.680 when you mentioned you know something I got. 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.400 I got to research that. Yeah. 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.400 No, I had the album, but I didn't get the 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.800 twelve minutes. But yeah, where you come to play is that? 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:58.920 I mean when I joke about you taken the portion 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:04.400 of the record collection my my that I didn't go 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.480 to my father's record like a lot of the jazz 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:08.480 stuff and a lot of stuff. 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.160 I was just like, this is old stuff. I don't 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:11.920 want that, and just you. 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:13.360 Know, just go for the obviously, like if it's worth 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.800 one to fire Stevie Wonder stuff I knew, but I 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:20.880 mean you're going to Tom Scott and so like what 0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:26.240 is I watch and and study other producers methods and 0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.840 see how they do it. Some of them will collecting 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.200 them secure record and just sit and listen to it, 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.280 sort of skim through it, like what is your what 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.520 is your your record listening process? 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:40.760 That that tells you, wait, I can make something now 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.160 of that. It starts at eight a m. 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:47.040 In the morning. You get up at him because applause 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:51.600 for working at a job. There's three people I know 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.720 that get up in the morning. Pharrell Dyli used to 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:59.560 do it as well. Premiere also like and they a 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.800 morning and then it starts also with a messy house. 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.720 So it's it's even better because you know, that's how 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.080 you get to play the whole record only do and 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:14.600 you know you're listening and something grabs you. So you 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:19.800 thoroughly listen to a record, yeah, and absorb it and 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.120 you know, you know, cleaning up the crib. That's how 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.799 I kill the time and until I hear something I like, 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.080 so what I mean, what if you don't get that 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.520 payoff moment, because I mean there's nothing like that moment 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:35.960 where it's like, yeah, I've been there, you know, get 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.360 stuck kid, you know you know. 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.759 Or I get a record that has totally nothing on it. 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:45.400 But now I learned that you can just grab a 0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.960 record that has nothing, totally nothing. With all the equipment 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.920 they have, now you can make nothing into you can 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:57.840 mold it crazy. So yeah, it was. It starts from that. 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.759 That's my process of listening to records. And it's time consuming, 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.000 but at least I take five to six hours just listening, 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.920 not even making beats, just listening. Then I know what 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.239 to attack when it's time to rock. 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.120 That's what separates you from the pack. Dude. 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:16.960 I remember at his crib. We came up to his crib. 0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.879 This is Christmas two thousand and two. We all drove 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.440 up this crib and we just all slept on the 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.000 floor in the basement and he The thing that was 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.959 amazing to me was how you're able to take very 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.040 familiar songs and flip him in a new way. He 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.440 did a flip of oh my god, it was a 0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.880 little child run a while Curtis Mayfield. 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:44.160 Strengths the strings. Man ninth loves that beat. He took it. No, 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:49.120 he took the beginning of it, and then I put 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:50.799 that organ in there, and then he put the organ 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:51.880 in from the beginning to or. 0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:53.680 God. 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:56.640 That was like, I I think two of my like 0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:58.920 most favorite peat Bab's that just made me really want 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:00.160 to just like quit music. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:04.600 Forever was like that one. And Take the D Train? 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.600 Oh man, did take. 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:07.920 The D Train? 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:13.560 You flipped the D God Man, that's my favorite disco 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:14.520 record in eighties. 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:20.400 But when I heard the B side, you know, if 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.560 you're familiar with disco, twelve inches on the other side 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:27.040 of that record is an amazing intro pianos. 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:28.920 Yeah it's the slow yeah. 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:32.919 Yeah. 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:36.200 D Train is wow. Yeah. 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.840 But you know it was you know those were you 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.640 know the records right there. I mean, I want to 0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:45.919 ask you a question. How do people how do these 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:50.000 musicians or drummers tune their snares to sound like they're 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.400 hitting on a horse shoe or. 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.239 Like a No. See, here's the thing. 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.560 It don't sound like a drum set, you know what 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.640 I'm saying. It sounds like the lesson that I learned 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:04.680 for really good breakbea drumming Uh. 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:12.759 Really is the debtor like what. 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:17.560 You imagine what you imagine in your head how powerful 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:21.120 the break is? Like take all right, I'll give you 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:22.120 an example. 0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:25.120 With with let's take eye. 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.680 Now in your mind, you're thinking that Bonzo is just 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.440 rocking out like using every you know, like air drummer, 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:34.759 what you imagine air drummers to do? Yeah, But what 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.560 I found out was because of the particular Micael Steve. 0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:40.120 Steve is our engineer. 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:46.120 All right, So what like what vintage microphones am I using, 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.280 like like doing the Voodoo era and all that stuff, 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:49.160 Like what am I using? 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:50.120 Uh? 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.279 Well, a lot of that stuff we had here, the 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:56.319 Noymans that forty seven's like, that's what I believe. That's 0:37:56.320 --> 0:38:00.640 what sort of John Bonham had the mono overhead, right, 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.160 you know, oh the mono. Yeah, it's like one mic right, 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:04.000 you know over the kick. 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:06.399 That's weird because substitution. 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.880 How does that snare sound? Like? I mean you're you're 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:09.279 you've been. 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:13.839 I think our best results for actually recording breakbeats has 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.000 been less mics further away. 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:20.879 Okay, so that's the thing, Like now cats will mic. 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:24.600 Every drum an engineering drum, which is why it sounds 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:25.960 so sterile. 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:30.239 Yeah, two thousand. Yeah, uh, I mean you just gotta 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:31.120 think of the environment. 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.279 Like, yeah, there were professional recording units, but it's like 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:36.280 in Motown and all that stuff. 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.600 They was like cats were sharing one mic, damn. 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.640 So when I found my zone as far as like 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.440 really finding that gritty, dirty sound that you're looking for, 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.080 like you said, like the U forty seven. 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:54.120 And then the ribbon mics, you know, yeah, ribbon mics. 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.920 But even at that, it's also how you play it. 0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:00.000 Like a lot a lot of the teach well. 0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:03.080 The drum, the drums that I use, Like my drum 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:06.800 company will try to be like, yo, these are special 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:08.040 trees from Japan. 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:10.480 We're gonna cut down you know, all this stuff. 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.200 But no, but I'll tell them like, yo, I want 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.600 the cheap high school set. Wow, And they look at me, 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:19.600 they're like, why do you want? I want the cheap 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.080 high school set? That sounds horrible. That's what all the 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:24.000 classic it was made. 0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:29.160 Yeah. Yeah, drums weren't getting drum sets. They were using 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:34.200 five hundred dollars sets from like Sears and just tune 0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:35.759 fine tuning it and micing it. 0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:40.120 And but then also the way and the less you yeah, 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:41.520 the less velocity. 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:45.160 Here's the thing, here's the trick with those old microphones. 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.319 The harder you hit, the more compression, and the more 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:52.640 you squeeze it out, the the I mean, I try 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.759 to almost use nothing but risks like very very very 0:39:56.080 --> 0:40:00.440 light touching that way when you EQ, it comes off 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:04.080 super vintage and super you know, so it's it's almost 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:07.120 like it's it's an anti climatic answer. What I'm saying 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:12.120 is that basically, the less I play and the quieter 0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:18.400 I play, the better it sounds. But but in this 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:22.160 in this age of and I've got in trouble with 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:29.399 making snarky remarks about gospel drumming and stuff. But like, look, 0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.759 gospel drumming is something that I can't overcome. And I'm 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.560 not trying to turn the world to my religion. 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:42.120 They have funk, it's what about God? What about the funk? 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:42.440 No? 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:46.480 No, no, not like modern like the catch you see playing 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:46.920 for like. 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:49.600 Unnamed actor. 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.920 There's a lot of soul and gospel. 0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:55.800 No, we're talking about like modern. 0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:58.640 When you see modern music today and you wonder why 0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:02.840 this guy doesn't make you feel when you hear Clyde 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:07.720 Stubblefield playing that sort of thing, it's no one trusts 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:13.160 that lessons more. And when I drum, I'm always thinking 0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:17.799 of would Pete Rock want to take this part of 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:22.800 the song, So anytime I'm drumming, But that's you. 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:27.560 You need, you need something basic and something regular. I mean, 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.480 it's like bread distortion static. 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.719 I was sampling from that. I may really I made 0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:32.600 a beat out of that. 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:34.839 Wait, I gotta I gotta find it. I gotta tell 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:40.560 you I made a beat from that from just playing 0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:41.080 with it. Yeah. 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:44.799 I took a loop up, a little quick loop and 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.680 flipped it, you know what I'm saying, and then put some. 0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:50.440 Ship in there and then deleted it, and then. 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.839 Then I put more on top, you know. But yeah, 0:41:56.000 --> 0:42:00.839 side note, it's really weird when you you hear your 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:04.640 own break beats uh in a porn. 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:15.640 One time you heard anything, I've heard the scene in 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:16.560 an amateur film. 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:21.319 You literally heard the scene they just wants some music. No, 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:25.680 I heard, uh, someone loot the distortion the static break 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.200 at the beginning, and I thought, you really must be 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.919 a fan of the roots that too. 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.480 Yeahs are everywhere. 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:39.680 Yeah, Yes, the adult world has especially the remix. Oh 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:48.919 my god. All right, So when the shut him Down 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:51.239 remix came, I don't even know how to explain to 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.680 someone how important. 0:42:54.640 --> 0:43:00.000 Like shutting shut him Down to me changed really changed. 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:04.400 I mean he gave it movement like because the original 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.839 but he it was original was cool. 0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.440 It was baseline drums, and you know it was a 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.480 good record, good record, But. 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:16.840 I mean we really consider that comedy the first, the first, 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:20.480 I mean it was that wasn't the first remix per 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:25.160 Se that totally reimagined a song, did it. I don't 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:27.040 know if it was the first, it was one of them, 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.000 because I mean, it wasn't the first, because I just 0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.839 you know, the first one was probably he did. 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.600 Molly did remixes. If you remember, like dropping Science, the 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:39.839 original version was different the drum right right right, and 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.200 then he flipped it right, you're right now. 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:44.680 But he did with the what you call it to 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.719 the Yeah, Molly uh, I would say in terms of 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:49.879 the first you're talking about remix that kind of changed 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.600 the game or changed the song Jingling Baby. 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.320 I was yeah, yeah, you remember the original. 0:43:55.120 --> 0:44:00.759 Original, yeah yeah, but that remix and killed it. That 0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:04.760 was it that When that remix hit so I feel 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:10.440 like the the the summer or no, the fall of 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:16.640 ninety one, between the Scenario remix and the Shut Them 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:17.320 Down remix. 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:21.839 Really, I mean that to me was the changing of the. 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:27.120 Guards for for hip hop, because. 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:29.840 You know, and the thing is, I know that we 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:31.280 all have like our own. 0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:34.279 Romantic feelings of what like classic hip hop should be 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:38.040 or whatever. But it's like in my head, and especially 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:41.319 as a DJ now, like some of the stuff that 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:46.360 I like doesn't really transfer well to the dance floor. 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:49.759 Like I love speaking of America's most wanted, I love 0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:53.920 the shit out of like that that that cut and 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:57.000 Nigga you love to hate. Yeah, but it's like sonically 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.600 that doesn't work well in a nightclub at Sphere, and 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:02.839 it really wasn't working when you spin off Wax like 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:04.879 Serado is loud of Ship. 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.840 But for me, what's classic about Shut Them Down? It 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:13.920 was like it was made under ten minutes. Yes, I 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:15.919 lied to y'all not, It's no exaggeration. 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:17.040 It was. 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.759 It was a rush job. I had to be at 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:20.759 the studio at four. 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:21.680 I was late. 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:26.080 I left, you knows no time to overthink. No, I 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:27.880 didn't even leave my crips. I was like, you know what. 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:31.359 Let me just and then I seen some albums laying man, 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.640 I hate you right now, you know, grab the Isley 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:36.400 Brothers grabbed, Tom Scott grabbed. 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:41.319 What is that? Tom Scott? No, I know that, But 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:45.120 what song? Is it? Not? The same Honeysuckle Rose record? 0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:49.040 Is it? Never? My love? I hate you right now? Man? 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:51.920 Never? 0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:57.240 So that's you said, that's three songs. 0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.759 Yeah, that's a pool. I used the version of it too, 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:03.640 but Tom Scott yea couch. 0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:07.880 Yeah, oh for the I like it. Yeah, okay, but 0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:13.399 I don't know what it when when I heard it. 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:17.560 But to me, it's so complex and so lay drums 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.640 first of all, like, yeah, the drums, the fact that 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:25.720 you separated. Yeah, I mean besides Marley, like, would nobody 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.560 beats a business taking drums and reimagine it? Like why 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:33.040 didn't you just think like an amateur like me would 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:36.520 have just took long Red. An amateur like me would 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:37.680 have took long red and. 0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:41.160 Just looped it. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was doing. No, 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.520 but you chopped it. I chopped it to thus giving 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:47.800 you the ability to eq it better. Yeah. I'm assuming 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:49.200 that you didn't mix that in stereo. 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:53.399 When I found a dope snare that hit hard and 0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:57.400 made a drum track with it and rubbed long Red 0:46:57.600 --> 0:46:58.200 against it. 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:01.719 It was just like, Wow, I'm gonna explain to you what. 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.720 Long when it hit with the long Red and your. 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:09.880 So what what Peter's explaining that. 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:13.879 So this group named Mountain Mountaine one of the few 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:20.440 groups that wasn't documented on the Woodstocke on the Woodstock documentary. 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.240 Long Red was from Woodstock. Yeah, it was from Woodstock, 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:25.160 and it's actually him. 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:28.239 There's a version without the breakbeat also. 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:30.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the studio version. 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:34.319 But this particular version from Woodstock that hipp the live 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:40.680 one that's hip hop staple, is actually him mocking the 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.400 audience for not knowing where the one was because if 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:47.000 you hear them, they're all clapping. They're clapp on what 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:52.040 he's doing. So he's like on Temple Jack, like Tempo Gang. Yeah, 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:56.120 on Tempo Jack, like don't mess up my group. 0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:00.400 Yes, it took that louder, that everyone takes that louder. 0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:07.200 But the thing is is that you know, an average 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:11.920 person would have just looped the four bars from it, 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:18.160 whereas now the Renaissance Crew it is taking these breaks 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:21.280 and doing the early phases of what we call just flipping, 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.440 where you take the snare and the kick and you 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:24.280 re invented. 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.919 Yeah, he was, and I mean around the time, because 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.440 I remember you chopped up. This was a couple of 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.040 years later you talk about I mean we talked about 0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:37.120 flipping records. A Z give me yours. Well, you took 0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:40.320 the Many rivers. I had that original Sam Houses. 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.080 I mean, you know, my mother sped all the time 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:47.040 and I was like, yo, uh no, no, no, it 0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:48.640 was no, it's it's not. 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:58.600 It's many the okay, yeah, it's here we go, here 0:48:58.640 --> 0:48:59.160 we go with many. 0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:02.400 And that was the song I heard, you know, a 0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:05.279 million times, but I never heard it done in that way. 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:07.640 I used to love that song, but that's how I 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:09.839 looked it because I used to be like I used 0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:11.160 to listen to this on tape. 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:15.279 Yeah, cassette, slow damn. It has totally made it something new, 0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:18.160 million people bracing shut them down as the burger. But 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.600 you know, you you you have the perfect chopped onion. 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:27.919 And tomatoes on that joint. But the thing is that 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.239 a song like h and I've Been Good to You 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:33.440 by the Isley Bus. 0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:36.080 Now, when you take this. 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:43.000 It's not quantized, all right, you know what you gotta be. 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:45.480 You gotta be my Negro translator. 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:48.839 With quantized meaning that it's not imperfect. No, it's not. No, 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:50.080 I didn't loop it. 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:55.160 I actually chopped a half a bar each of it. 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.480 If you telling me that you made this in ten minutes, 0:49:58.560 --> 0:49:59.880 this means you are working at the. 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:04.080 Yes speed lightning. Because I had to go, so, you know, 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:07.719 I had to be out, so I had to get 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:10.560 you know, I was at that time it being late 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:12.879 in the music business was like a big deal, so 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.640 you know, I was just trying to and then I'm 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:19.680 still late, but you know, I mean I had a 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:21.880 hot joint with me, so that's why I was like, 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:23.040 So what. 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.520 Was the look on their face? Who? Who did you 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:25.920 play it for? 0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:29.200 When you When I got it, Jamie stopped, you know 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:33.640 in the studio with him and him bugging out and saying, Yo, 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.680 we got something here. We're gonna play around with these sounds. 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:39.200 And did it take long to line up? Like? 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:43.000 Nah, it probably took a little while, but you know, 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:48.000 once I got once I had the beat in the baseline, 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:49.879 everything else was like. 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:51.600 So what was Chuck's reaction when he heard it? 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:54.640 I wish I could have seen his face, but I 0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:59.360 wasn't around either. There the two best public end me 0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:03.600 stories I ever heard both came from Buster Rhymes. 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:04.919 Yeah Buster nose. 0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:10.040 Buster has a story of being like Buster and Charlie 0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:14.320 Brown and Dinko used to always be at their studio. 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:20.400 Chuck named them named rhyme football player right so after. 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:23.480 High school, like leaders of the New School used to 0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:26.960 always just hang at the studio and it was there 0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:27.719 for reminisce. 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:32.200 Really yeah, Charlie Brown was in the mix when when 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:35.120 out first listened down to the first listen. 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:40.319 Down really was done. Charlie was there well crying and 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:44.600 I was. I was saying that Buster told me that 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:49.520 he's like a hip hop song. Never made him cry 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:53.359 real tears until the moment where after school they heard 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:57.799 Rebel without a pause, and he says, but man, when 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:00.640 I heard shut him down like you like, I went 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:02.080 out my mind because. 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:06.360 It was just it was just unheard of Genesis album. 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:10.439 He's like, I want to do that again. Beat Come on, man, 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:15.240 you know I busted talk. I can't do one. 0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.120 Thing I wanted to ask you in terms of like 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:20.520 with the remixes, because it's very different now, you know, 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:21.640 with you got computers. 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:23.680 You just lining things up. How were you able to 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:26.080 get the vocals to sync with the track? 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:31.560 That was Jamie's job. But I was good because I'd 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:34.359 be like, look, man, make him ride that beat. This 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:38.480 is a new remixed joint. I want, you know, I 0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:41.960 wanted to sound totally different from the original, and Jamie 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:45.960 know it was it was sympty and all that stuff, 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.600 So you have to vocal from the real Yeah. And 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:53.160 Jamie was nice because he's the splice so anything that 0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:55.920 he would time wise, he would splice tape. And then 0:52:56.440 --> 0:53:00.719 it was crazy with him. Man, Wow, I think about 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:02.560 the way we used to work and it was just like, wow, 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:06.600 all that's cut off. It's the work today is much easier, 0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:10.040 it is faster. We were doing it like the hard way, 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:10.680 the long way. 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:16.359 So when when this comes out, then suddenly, what's what's 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.680 Pete Rock's life like after this? 0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:27.360 Was? Nah? 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:31.359 But yeah, man, it's just my life just went from 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:36.160 being you know, paperboy delivering papers in my hood, from 0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:40.040 flipping steaks in the mall to hanging with my cousin, 0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:40.600 going to. 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:44.640 The studio, hanging out with have you know, taking you know, 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:47.280 acting like a little sponge around. Howie t and Teddy 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:50.640 Riley and Molly and made my mind up and say, yeah, 0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:51.719 this is what I want to do. 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:56.000 From that, just from that experience, I was, you know. 0:53:57.480 --> 0:54:00.919 Crib Yeah was it like watch to him because he's 0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:05.240 another clean beat maker, I know, clean his ships. 0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:09.880 Still he'll take a record like I never heard impeach 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:10.840 sounds so clean. 0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:12.600 Yeah, he took it. 0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.320 We did it on how We t was a producer, 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:22.840 uh special special or he chopped up on specially second 0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:26.920 album You Wish you could Impeach over the Superman. 0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:34.120 My favorite, my favorite joint. Do you remember that special? 0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:40.319 I wish you could? I wish you would. I play 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:41.200 that all the time. 0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:41.480 Man. 0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:46.000 Yeah, how he t was amazing, like it was him 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.560 and Molly for me, you know, coming up of course 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:51.240 Rick Ruban and you know I listened to like Curtis 0:54:51.280 --> 0:54:52.640 blowing the live musician. 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:57.640 Give me give me your give me If you can't, fine, 0:54:57.760 --> 0:55:01.319 I'll say three for now. What sessions were you there 0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:02.480 to witness that were historic? 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:03.880 Teddy, give me give me your. 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:06.759 Five most historical? Like, yeah, I'm working on this song 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:10.839 and then it's it's a game Teddy, Riley, Molly mal 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:12.520 but wait what I mean? 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:14.920 What song. 0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:21.200 H new jack swing you know, uh yeah, I was. 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:23.680 He was always with Teddy Rally. They used to hang 0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:25.239 out a lot, like you know what I'm saying. So 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.040 I used to be with Have and you know, be 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.880 Witness and things he's doing, you know his you know, 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:32.120 exclusive stuff. 0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:38.120 What did he work on? He wants you remember that group. Wait, 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:42.319 that's my favorite. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about 0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:44.760 it all his stuff, Let's talk about amazing. 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:50.080 So what what equipment was he using? Because everything, but 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:53.720 he told me so basic, you know s the cell board, 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:57.840 you know, pro tools wasn't nothing and it was straight board, 0:55:58.360 --> 0:55:58.839 you know what I mean. 0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:02.360 He told me that he I don't know which Michael 0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:06.839 Jackson need from Dangerous that he did all the pre 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.399 It was either remember the time or no, no, no she did. 0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:13.200 She's driving me wild. He says, I did it in a. 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:20.239 Project kitchen, like he had a setup and he's like 0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:22.200 he kept his old apartment set up that he used 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:25.640 for the Guy album and did Yeah and the Kid 0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:28.840 Sweat stuff and he did all most of Michael Jackson's 0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:32.359 Dangerous inside of his project kitchen. 0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:33.040 With a producer. 0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:37.960 It's about that that comfortability spot, like if you're comfortable. 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:40.960 It can happen anyway, Bro, you know what I'm saying. 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:44.600 A hit record can happen anyway. 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.719 So you do majority of production, Like do you do 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:49.880 it in this actual studio? You drop it off? 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:50.000 No? 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.480 I always do beats at home first, and then I 0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:55.759 go in and you know, and then when when I'm 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:59.319 in this the studio like this and I'm laying the 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:02.080 beat down, then we're playing around with it and I'm 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:05.359 playing with records, and then maybe I'll add some some 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:08.600 more stuff that matches with it, you know what I'm saying. 0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:14.520 So all right, well you said Teddy Rowley? What else? What? 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:17.200 What other historical songs were there to see? 0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:21.440 I mean I was around Molly a lot, so you 0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:24.920 know all I have stuff, all of some some cane stuff, 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:25.760 some biz stuff. 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:29.120 I saw was alb Was he hanging right out? I'll 0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:30.560 be sure you know what I'm saying. 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:34.800 Wow, I was gonna say, what is your obsession with 0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:38.560 just rhyming with biz man? You've made helf of that 0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:39.760 ship so many times. 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:45.560 I think that record just like, how did the publisher? 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:49.240 I know it's a James Brown sample, but it just 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:51.960 reminded me of James Brown, even with Kane and Biz 0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:54.520 on this ship, right, No, I knew you didn't use 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:57.880 it for the James Brown the voice, but the voices 0:57:58.000 --> 0:57:58.600 their voices. 0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:02.480 But like all of main Ingreedy, it was man like, 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:04.160 did you have to cut a special deal? 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:06.480 Check it out? I think so. 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:12.840 Yeah, And I think Molly won a case with Warner 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.160 or something like that. And you know he owns all 0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:20.240 this stuff now, so he does yeah, hell yeah. 0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:23.240 Yeah, wow. That from what I understand. 0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:26.360 I wanted to ask you about in terms of, you know, 0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:30.400 we talked about the first ep al sold out. How 0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:32.760 exactly did you and cl get signed to a lecture 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:33.480 and how did y'all first? 0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:35.640 How y'all? Yeah, in high school. 0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.320 In high school, you know, a couple of neighborhood guys 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:39.840 you know, introduced me to him. 0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:41.360 He had a distinctive voice. 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:44.840 He didn't sound like nobody I've ever heard, so I 0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:46.760 thought it would be good to do some stuff on him. 0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:48.280 When I heard him rap, I was like, okay, he 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.160 can he can ride a beat. Let's list. 0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:52.400 We were doing basement that. 0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:54.800 It was like we got like forty or fifty of them, 0:58:55.000 --> 0:58:57.320 you know what I'm saying, And we made a song 0:58:57.400 --> 0:58:58.880 off of dancing the drummers beat. 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:03.880 You know. Oh wow, really that was your first demo? Yep, yep. 0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:05.160 Something of our first demos. 0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:08.960 We was taking common stuff and then that's when I 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:11.600 started getting raw with the beats and using like stuff 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:14.840 that people in the work using. We were making demos 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:17.480 and we got signed off of my basement demos off 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:21.360 off of four track. Yeah, do you still have the 0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:22.680 stuff or yeah, I have? 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:23.040 I have? 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:26.760 Well, they had they put out a somebody I don't know, 0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:28.720 I must have lost the tape or something like that, 0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:32.080 like put it out. They put it out, and there's 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.320 some stuff on there. I got it though, I got 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:35.440 I got a lot of this stuff. 0:59:36.600 --> 0:59:36.840 Wow. 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:39.000 Did y'all have like a full commitment? 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:40.800 Like when y'all got together, were y'all like, Okay, we're 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:42.640 gonna make a few records and then we're going like. 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:44.120 We did demos first. 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:46.360 And then at the time, I was DJing on the 0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:48.720 radio with Marley, so I would test it out and 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:49.720 play it on the radio. 0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:52.640 You know what I'm saying, and people will respond And 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:57.200 you know when were you DJing with Marley on eighty seven, 0:59:57.560 --> 1:00:01.920 eighty eight, eighty nine, also on there for like three 1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:06.960 years straight. BLS with Clark and then we rotated, like 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:08.920 me and Clark Camp. First it was just me the 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:12.400 whole weekend. Then it was me Clark Camp and then 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:15.880 you know, once in a while he'll pull in a 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:18.640 DJ from somewhere. But back then it was great because 1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:22.320 you know, kidding played had they hot new stuff out 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:25.680 back then. You know, Mike Tyson was in his prime. 1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:28.800 They was all coming up there to visit the station 1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:31.600 to do interviews. Oh wow, I was just a little 1:00:31.880 --> 1:00:37.840 young kid there. Like it took me watching straight out 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:43.360 of Compton to realize that some of the most successful 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:47.160 hip hop producers had to cut their teeth DJ in first. 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:52.040 My thing was like reverse. My situation was reverse. But 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:56.760 I never considered myself like jumping in the pool of Yo, 1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:58.840 when I play this beat the night club, like the 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:01.640 nightclub that comes from, You're gonna clean your house real 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:09.160 good to this root. But like would for you being 1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:12.320 in DJing, would audience reaction or would you ever have 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:15.560 a fear of like this might not work on them? 1:01:15.760 --> 1:01:18.880 Or like it's who do you imagine when you make 1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:20.480 a beat? 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:24.840 Who are you imagining? Yo? They're going to go crazy 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:27.560 when to hear this, What's what's the vision in your 1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:28.400 mind where you're. 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:33.560 Like, I'm it's the feeling that I just get overjoyed, 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:36.120 you know what I mean. So it's a goosebump feeling. Yeah, 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:39.640 like and I want to, you know, call an artist. 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:43.080 Yo yo yo, listen to what you know? Like the 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:49.720 world is yours. It happened when he came over and 1:01:49.880 --> 1:01:51.680 I just went through a couple of discs. I had 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:53.800 that beat made already, you know what I'm saying. I 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:55.840 went through a couple of discs and I popped that 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:58.840 one in first and I didn't play no more beats 1:01:58.840 --> 1:02:02.120 after that. 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:04.520 That was the one that was it? Did you I 1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:07.560 mean working on imatic? Did you. 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.960 Since already that okay, this might be something special? Or 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:14.680 was it just like after he heard it and liked it, 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:18.240 and then after I heard what he wanted me to 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:20.040 sing on it, so. 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:20.760 They came afterwards. 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:26.520 You didn't have the rhymes? Man, I was like, yeah, 1:02:26.920 --> 1:02:28.200 that's when. 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:31.320 Did you know that? Like Tip and large F and 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:32.640 everybody else was working on it too. 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:36.080 Yeah, you all know you Primo Tip, you know, but 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:40.240 it's like a battle at the time. I think in 1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:43.000 everybody else's mind. I think that's what was going on. 1:02:43.080 --> 1:02:47.680 It was all competing, and I think when Primo heard 1:02:48.160 --> 1:02:51.800 the world is yours, he went back, you know what 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:54.840 I mean? But you know Tip only had one love, 1:02:55.200 --> 1:02:58.120 you know, the one love joint, and l e S 1:02:58.200 --> 1:02:59.640 had one joint. 1:02:59.680 --> 1:03:01.360 I have one joint and Premon had three. 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:08.960 Okay, So that that environment, I mean, were you guys 1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:10.360 record shopping on the. 1:03:12.400 --> 1:03:14.640 Yeah, we used to walk in on each other digging. 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:19.640 One time, there's this Jazz Records, you know jazz. You 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:22.840 would never know where this record store is. His record store, 1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:28.400 next to Jive Records. The label Oh wow, it looks 1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:32.360 like a mechanic building. There's nothing on it that says 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:36.480 it's a record store. So it's upstairs, upstairs like Japan. 1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:40.880 They have all the great jazz records in there, like Verdictas. 1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:44.280 And Tip is in there on the ground and you know, 1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:47.080 going through records, put his glasses on and he's you know, 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:50.840 on the floor. I'm like, okay, this is about to 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:54.280 get serious with your boy, because I see how heart 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:56.120 he's going, so I gotta go even harder. 1:03:56.680 --> 1:03:59.360 So is it a breathless race to the finish? 1:03:59.640 --> 1:03:59.720 Like? 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:01.000 Okay? 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:04.240 Now when I record shop, let's say late later in 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:09.600 Man ninety nine, two thousand, two thousand and one. I 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:13.680 would meet a few dealers that would be like Pete 1:04:13.720 --> 1:04:19.240 bought this, you would buy the entire stock reality only 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:23.600 only you, You and Bizmarck you only cats. I know, 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:25.840 or at least heard, like the urban legend is that 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:31.320 you will buy out an entire section of record so that. 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:33.400 No one else did well. 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:37.440 I also spent the night in the hotel where the 1:04:37.480 --> 1:04:40.440 convention would be, and I would have a room upstairs 1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:42.880 and just come downstairs at seven o'clock am. 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:43.880 They would. 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:48.400 One time I was brought I was finished with digging, 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:51.080 and I was, you know, carrying boxes to the car 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:53.720 to come back in bring them, and Tipples is looking 1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:58.200 at me like it looked like he just wanted to 1:04:58.200 --> 1:05:01.840 turn around and go home. Okay, So here's a question. 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:03.600 I've heard a lot of people say that they don't 1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:05.040 want to see you in a record shown now they 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:05.720 know there's nothing left. 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:07.480 Is there anybody that you don't want to come behind? 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:08.040 Of course he. 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:11.000 Wants no one to come by, of course, man, I'm saying, 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:12.280 is there anybody that you don't want to come to 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:15.720 the store for you? Premier? 1:05:18.560 --> 1:05:20.000 I remember one time I walked up. 1:05:20.480 --> 1:05:24.160 Okay, same thing on twenty it's just another record store, 1:05:24.360 --> 1:05:26.320 jazz on twenty seventh Street. 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:30.280 Would know it's in the building, Primos in there. I 1:05:30.360 --> 1:05:32.960 walk up in there thinking I'm I got something all 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:37.200 to myself and Primos in there getting all the great 1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:40.880 you know all that gang star ship. You know, that's 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:44.280 what that jazz store was. Dope, But did you know 1:05:44.520 --> 1:05:47.560 what you were looking for? Was it just based on like. 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:50.000 But cover? 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:53.840 We used to just take chances, take chances. The stars 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:55.960 still there, see somefros and some. 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:57.560 Wait, it's still there. The one he's talking about is 1:05:57.560 --> 1:06:01.240 still there? Is that the way you told me about words? Yeah, 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:07.160 was talking about it on the show, Oh, sexualize and videotape. 1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:15.040 What's his name? The actor the Blacklist? What's his name? Vader? 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:19.520 Zz Market? I think it's called like jazz market. Yeah, 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:22.200 jazz Market. That's it. All of us is actually going. 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:25.040 So wait in your job records, that's near Battery Studios. 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:27.880 Yep, it was right next door, dude, I recorded my 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:33.840 first I've never heard execute floor. 1:06:33.920 --> 1:06:36.000 It's like an office building. It sounds like the eighth floor, 1:06:36.080 --> 1:06:38.840 like you don't even know what to restaurant to the door. 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:40.080 To get to the door. 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:42.160 But don't you think somebody's secretly keeping it from you 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:42.640 at this point? 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:43.080 You know what I mean? 1:06:44.440 --> 1:06:44.560 Right? 1:06:45.680 --> 1:06:48.960 Two things I learned about recording at Battery Studios. One, 1:06:49.480 --> 1:06:52.959 all the tales of my mine coming to forty second 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:56.320 Street was like, oh, it's all Disney Like. I didn't 1:06:56.320 --> 1:07:01.720 know about the New York City version of that batteries 1:07:01.760 --> 1:07:03.200 where I did, But the rest of the roofs were 1:07:03.240 --> 1:07:06.440 like all the time. But I'm the one at the 1:07:06.440 --> 1:07:11.960 studio like working and they. 1:07:10.320 --> 1:07:15.800 On the forty dues. Wow, But now I'm not. I 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:18.120 can't believe that the spot was here and I didn't 1:07:18.120 --> 1:07:18.680 know about it. 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:22.440 Yeah, Battery, I did the Will Smith and Jeff stuff 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:25.760 there too, really, but the home base cod. 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:28.200 Damn? 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:29.680 Who haven't? 1:07:30.040 --> 1:07:31.440 No? Who you? 1:07:31.480 --> 1:07:32.160 Who do you want? 1:07:32.760 --> 1:07:33.920 Is there anybody who left? 1:07:34.200 --> 1:07:38.200 Who's left? We can't play who else I worked with? 1:07:38.320 --> 1:07:38.600 I mean? 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:41.160 But who is left that you haven't that you would 1:07:41.200 --> 1:07:41.600 want to? 1:07:41.840 --> 1:07:44.640 Is there actually fifty? Really? 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:48.080 You know a couple of g unit dudes? Man, Yeah, 1:07:48.200 --> 1:07:49.080 I've never. 1:07:48.920 --> 1:07:49.400 Worked with it. 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:52.400 What does he know that you? 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:54.960 I just got a bump into him. We gotta I 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:56.640 gotta catch him in the studio. 1:07:56.360 --> 1:07:59.880 Or something gotta have my beats on me or something. 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:09.360 How does the environment of I mean the chemistry between 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:10.240 you and cel. 1:08:11.920 --> 1:08:13.240 Right now? I mean no, no, no, no. 1:08:13.400 --> 1:08:17.600 I just meant back then when when the album comes out, because. 1:08:17.640 --> 1:08:20.040 We were young kids having fun. Man, you know what 1:08:20.080 --> 1:08:22.360 I'm saying, like we found something. You know what I'm saying, 1:08:23.040 --> 1:08:24.240 we found something. 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:28.040 So so touring. But I'm saying that because Meccan the. 1:08:28.000 --> 1:08:32.920 Soul Brother was such a New York record, how is 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:39.080 this translating across the United States? I mean, you still 1:08:39.120 --> 1:08:42.639 had the aid of MTV and you still had Rahap City, 1:08:42.760 --> 1:08:44.840 so you know, it wasn't that regional way. 1:08:44.960 --> 1:08:47.600 The soul train was still around because we did You 1:08:47.680 --> 1:08:49.439 definitely did sold train, you know what I mean. 1:08:49.640 --> 1:08:52.000 So I mean like if you guys are doing a show. 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:56.599 In Mississippi or something, like, what's the reception? 1:08:56.880 --> 1:09:00.240 But it was pretty good? You know? Okay? You know 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:01.280 what's funny that you mentioned. 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:04.120 Have you ever had a moment where it's like rocks 1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:07.320 moving then on a promotional tour? You know, promotional tours. 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:09.479 Used to go on promotional tours for a. 1:09:09.560 --> 1:09:11.479 Month or a month and a half and you don't 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:13.400 get paid, you know, what I'm saying, You're out there 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:15.720 busting your ass just to get known, you know what 1:09:15.720 --> 1:09:19.519 I'm saying. And when we would perform in a place 1:09:19.600 --> 1:09:22.120 like that, people would be there, you know, show up, 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:22.840 you know what I'm saying. 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:27.000 Like, so it wasn't a thing where it's like y'all 1:09:27.040 --> 1:09:29.920 at a strip club and they like this ain't. 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:33.120 Luke, no y'all New York is y'all talk. 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:35.160 But you know, what do you have for your people 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:37.680 who are very adamant about what they like and you 1:09:37.720 --> 1:09:40.120 know they you know, they rock with what they rock with? 1:09:40.680 --> 1:09:43.240 So do you feel left out in the cold sometimes? 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:46.960 Do you feel like the regional divide started? Say posts 1:09:47.320 --> 1:09:49.680 chronic posts like. 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:53.400 Where did you? Where did you? What was your role? 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:57.960 Or where did you lie in the I guess the 1:09:58.000 --> 1:09:58.719 East West? 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:01.120 But yeah, like when did that start rearing its head? 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:07.000 Ninety five ninety six? Really yeah, ninety five ninety six, 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:10.080 And so what did you know? 1:10:10.200 --> 1:10:12.720 Like I had my own stress going to you know 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:14.479 me and see how breaking up and all that. Right, 1:10:15.160 --> 1:10:18.000 So then the East West thing then you know me 1:10:18.120 --> 1:10:21.040 thinking everyone in hip hop was invincible, and then motherfucker 1:10:21.080 --> 1:10:23.800 started dropping, you know what I mean? So it's like, 1:10:24.640 --> 1:10:27.439 you know, we were shocked. We were in shock, like wow, 1:10:27.600 --> 1:10:31.120 he got shot, like and he's dead, like you know 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:31.559 what I mean? 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:34.479 Wait a minute, you gotta tell me the story. Dude, 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:37.519 you originally did juicy, Yeah, tell me? Can you tell 1:10:37.560 --> 1:10:38.320 me the juicy story? 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:38.679 Yeah? 1:10:39.400 --> 1:10:39.600 You know? 1:10:39.800 --> 1:10:43.240 All right, Puff Big, everybody came over. Puff brought Big 1:10:43.280 --> 1:10:44.400 to my house, to the basement. 1:10:44.479 --> 1:10:49.280 Wait, let me just introduce like the idea of rhyming 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:52.479 over like it started with Pete Rock and then you 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:54.000 got be puffetized. 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:56.000 Yeah, but. 1:10:57.720 --> 1:11:00.840 He's rhyming over just a very know on Luke, Like, 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:06.639 it's not when Biggie was rhyming over juicy. Pete Rock's 1:11:06.680 --> 1:11:09.400 the one that like yo is like it was a 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:15.080 Pete Rock beat initially and then what pop's done this before? 1:11:15.560 --> 1:11:19.439 Because like even Mariah carries Honey was a cute tip beating. 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:21.280 But did he should have been like y'all young boy though, 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:22.479 right because he from Mount Vernon. 1:11:22.320 --> 1:11:22.840 But he was young. 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:25.960 It's from bel Avenue, Mount Vernon. We we all grew 1:11:26.040 --> 1:11:30.320 up together, all right. Yeah, but but with. 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:34.719 Him with the juice, Okay, when the juicy thing happened, 1:11:34.760 --> 1:11:37.639 he brought Big over, you know, and big came in there, 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:40.120 and you know he was he stood against the wall, 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:43.840 humble quiet. He was just like, yo, yo, yo, I 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:45.400 just want to see I just want to see how 1:11:45.400 --> 1:11:46.000 you make a beat. 1:11:46.120 --> 1:11:48.840 Yo, Just show me how you make a beat. And 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:55.640 then I made in the flesh, in the flesh in 1:11:55.720 --> 1:11:57.639 front of Biggie that's on the main. 1:11:59.640 --> 1:12:01.640 Can I wait, can we talk about we got to 1:12:02.200 --> 1:12:06.280 talk about the records? Man? Can we take wait? I 1:12:06.280 --> 1:12:11.559 gotta he's standing right there. You know that's the story 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:16.840 I want, like what historical? Yeah, he made that in 1:12:17.200 --> 1:12:19.679 the flesh and what was big reactions in the flesh. 1:12:19.760 --> 1:12:21.120 He was loving it, you know what I'm saying. 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:24.120 Then started picking like these beats, you know, like he 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:25.639 was picked over ten beats. 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:27.120 But we never did none, you know. 1:12:27.479 --> 1:12:31.519 All right, Wait Steve, Okay, I'm gonna explain something that 1:12:31.560 --> 1:12:33.439 this is what this is what's gonna blue Steve's mind? 1:12:33.840 --> 1:12:38.600 Steve, do you know my obsession with a certain symp. 1:12:39.760 --> 1:12:52.799 You I'm a defensive story now, my obsession with using 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:53.760 Steve Miller. 1:12:53.520 --> 1:12:56.720 Bands space space Like Steve. 1:12:56.720 --> 1:13:02.519 Hates nothing more than that than hearing that our peggio happened. No, 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:04.120 because I over like. 1:13:06.200 --> 1:13:10.680 We don't use that ship. But I it's just it constantly. 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:13.320 It's at the top of a little toolbox. 1:13:13.800 --> 1:13:17.360 Yeah, it's it's it's it's there, but it's only I'm 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:20.280 gonna tell you this. The thing was is that when 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:27.200 the Roots we exiled to to to. 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:32.000 London and we were broke cold or it was the 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:32.639 worst feeling. 1:13:33.120 --> 1:13:36.600 We only had two cassettes to hold us down for 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:42.080 like most of nineteen ninety four, and that was to 1:13:42.280 --> 1:13:44.960 cal and that. 1:13:45.240 --> 1:13:46.320 Was the main ingredient. 1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:52.200 And even I mean it was some of the most 1:13:52.240 --> 1:13:55.200 it was the worst. I mean, every group grows through 1:13:56.479 --> 1:14:01.599 basic training to to soldier up and and and you know, 1:14:02.160 --> 1:14:03.520 really established themselves. 1:14:03.560 --> 1:14:06.080 And so this was the hunger years. Everyone has those 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:08.680 hunger years where you're just starving, you know, if you're 1:14:08.680 --> 1:14:14.240 coming going. But for me, like in the Flesh. 1:14:14.000 --> 1:14:16.479 Wasn't even a song, but it was more meditation and 1:14:16.520 --> 1:14:20.719 it was just like the way you layer Steve Miller 1:14:20.760 --> 1:14:27.120 bands space, which like that to me, I mean me 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:30.000 and Twoek's only fist fighting history happened in ninety four 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:33.759 and post fist fighters. 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:39.840 Yeah, yeah, it's funny because we used to come to 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:40.800 the crib a lot too. 1:14:41.080 --> 1:14:42.840 We used to have fun. You know what I mean, 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:46.479 you still have the same crib, same mouse. I've never 1:14:46.520 --> 1:14:49.559 been to the people to come what do you call it? 1:14:49.600 --> 1:14:51.720 What do you call it? The basement? Oh my god, 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:52.360 you've been in front. 1:14:52.760 --> 1:14:55.479 Yeah, that on the floor, left on the floor when 1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:58.120 we first, like after shortly after I quit my job. 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:02.559 I mean yeah, I went out like listen, I'm homeless niggas. 1:15:04.479 --> 1:15:09.439 But now we all drove to me, nine pool, all 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:11.479 of us. Everybody we drove up there slip on the 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:14.479 floor and like nine of them. Yeah, we was all 1:15:14.520 --> 1:15:16.360 in the crib. I think we ordered like we might 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:19.920 have ate once like days, ordered pizza. But but yeah, 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:22.680 we was in the basement. And that was what the 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:27.080 first time I really understood just how much work he 1:15:27.120 --> 1:15:27.439 put in. 1:15:27.560 --> 1:15:28.839 I mean, he has a closet. 1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:30.720 I don't know if I was still there, and he 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:33.040 was just like showing us bags and this. He was like, yeah, 1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:35.200 so these the main ingredient beats. 1:15:35.680 --> 1:15:37.599 This is stuff from making the Soul brother and this 1:15:37.680 --> 1:15:40.000 is stuff I'm like kidding me, and you still have 1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:40.559 that stuff. 1:15:41.439 --> 1:15:44.120 I got the world's yours on this still, that's amazing. 1:15:44.920 --> 1:15:50.160 How did Biggie lose this? I don't know man like 1:15:50.520 --> 1:15:52.599 or what's puff making his decisions for him more? 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:57.639 Yeah, yeah, but not when he was picking beats, you know, like. 1:15:57.640 --> 1:15:59.400 He's so big, he was like this is all right. 1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:02.040 Yeah, he was like he wanted the Interlode beats. He 1:16:02.120 --> 1:16:04.200 wanted my Interlodes. 1:16:04.439 --> 1:16:06.800 So Juicy, we gotta finish off my Juicy him. 1:16:06.880 --> 1:16:09.320 Yeah, so you know, I was playing the beat. I 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:14.240 had the drums playing when they came downstairs, because I 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:16.200 was gonna put something else in there. 1:16:17.160 --> 1:16:19.880 And he knew, you know, yeah, he knew what. He 1:16:19.960 --> 1:16:20.800 knew what it was. 1:16:20.840 --> 1:16:24.200 It was a hit record, you know, so the ideas 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:26.799 is churning in his head, you know what I'm saying, Like. 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:29.680 So, did they at least come to you and say, yo, like, 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:33.559 make the drums less? They came to me and said 1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:34.680 due to remix. 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:37.920 The I mean, did they at least give you the 1:16:37.960 --> 1:16:40.360 option to change the drums a little bit so that you. 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:43.480 Can Yeah, yeah, that's what I did in the remix. 1:16:43.200 --> 1:16:45.559 Though, No, no, no, no, But I'm just saying that original 1:16:46.400 --> 1:16:49.360 I thought that what we noticed the p rock remix 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:52.839 of Juicy, that was the original idea. 1:16:53.160 --> 1:16:56.400 That's it, only the idea. But they did it. You 1:16:56.400 --> 1:16:58.320 know what I'm saying, Like, whoever did it? Track masters? 1:16:58.360 --> 1:16:58.679 Whoever? 1:16:58.800 --> 1:17:03.320 But they the idea is what you hear right on 1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:05.920 the right now, and you know they just looked it. 1:17:06.200 --> 1:17:07.880 So I mean, did you feel some sort of way 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:09.800 like well, back then I was. 1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:13.599 I was a little crazy feeling little ways a boy people. 1:17:13.840 --> 1:17:17.679 You know, how did now that I realized that music 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:18.480 is universal? 1:17:19.040 --> 1:17:21.439 You know what I'm saying. It doesn't belong to nobody, 1:17:21.520 --> 1:17:22.800 but the people were sailing it. 1:17:23.720 --> 1:17:26.960 You know, I have a question about a similar situation. 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:30.519 What's the story behind trip called class and jazz? Oh? 1:17:31.040 --> 1:17:35.000 Same thing? Stop the same thing tip? 1:17:35.320 --> 1:17:37.080 They al used to We all used to hang out 1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:41.759 tip coming over heard the beat playing, you know, and went. 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:44.080 So you contributed the drums to it? 1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:46.200 Or was it the same way you hear it on 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:48.519 the Tribes album? It's how I did it. But I 1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:51.439 just had a little little stuff in it on top 1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:54.840 of it. But the same drums, same loop. You know 1:17:54.880 --> 1:17:56.680 what I'm saying. I want to say you played that 1:17:57.000 --> 1:17:58.479 for us when we read your crib. I want to 1:17:58.479 --> 1:18:01.040 say you played his version of jazz? Yeah I think 1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:05.080 the disc Yeah, yes, I still have it. 1:18:05.640 --> 1:18:06.519 So Pete, have you. 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:09.519 Like developed any relationships with any of these living legends 1:18:09.520 --> 1:18:13.760 that you like, you know changing Yeah, Like. 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:18.719 Roy was on tour with Roy shared some some weird 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:25.240 Polydors stories, James Brown stuff, and it was fun touring 1:18:25.320 --> 1:18:26.400 with him, you know what I mean? 1:18:28.000 --> 1:18:31.840 Wait, I know that he did he ever hook you 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:32.400 up with Like. 1:18:34.120 --> 1:18:38.639 There's another Ramp album out there that he has recorded. 1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:40.800 He told me this out of his mouth that he 1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:45.519 has that never came out, Not the Ramp that tip 1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:47.240 us another album. 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:49.040 Yeah, who came out in seventy eight? 1:18:50.080 --> 1:18:53.000 Because that Ramp album that everybody's finding, it's not the 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:59.439 original albums. That's a bootleg, that's not original pressing. 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:02.120 But it was boot like seventies boot leg. You know 1:19:02.240 --> 1:19:02.719 what I'm saying. 1:19:03.040 --> 1:19:09.160 Really it never he said, it never really came out. 1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:10.679 It never officially came. 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:13.240 Out, never officially came We have it on white, We 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:14.759 have a promo what We're. 1:19:14.600 --> 1:19:19.840 Finding in nineteen eighty nine, eight ninety was Oh you 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:21.080 two man? 1:19:22.439 --> 1:19:25.280 Wow? Yeah, I thought he was masterful for that fine 1:19:25.360 --> 1:19:25.720 right there. 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:31.200 Wow. I never knew of that one, never knew. 1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:33.400 So did you ever get like what did Roy say 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:34.799 about your version of searching? 1:19:34.920 --> 1:19:35.000 Oh? 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:38.800 We used to do it in the shows. You know, 1:19:38.920 --> 1:19:41.960 he'll do the song and then I come in with 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:45.519 the hip hop version. But I made a live version. 1:19:45.520 --> 1:19:48.040 I made it over and yeah it's pretty. 1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:49.840 That was my favorite joint. I remember you telling me 1:19:49.960 --> 1:19:53.960 at the crib that was Novelle playing. Yeah, yeah, that one. 1:19:53.880 --> 1:19:54.960 Yeah. 1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:58.680 So the main ingredient, Well, I wanted to talk about 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:01.680 when you were talking to about like the you know, 1:20:02.360 --> 1:20:05.760 the South and how you know we received y'all used 1:20:05.760 --> 1:20:06.840 to get love out my way. 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:11.960 I was surprised that even y'all, that y'all you know, 1:20:12.120 --> 1:20:14.600 came from North Carolina sounding. 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:16.439 Like that lot of us. 1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:20.240 I was like, what, man, we grew like some village 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:23.639 is like the same reaction, like, oh my god, Yeah, 1:20:23.680 --> 1:20:24.400 we grew up. 1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:24.960 On y'all ship. 1:20:25.200 --> 1:20:27.679 And so like when Mecca and the Soul brother came out, 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:30.160 I remember that was the record we would play like 1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:32.960 after practice, you know, during the summer, like after practice, 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:35.120 we'd be you know, after football practice, and we'd. 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:35.760 Just be running it. 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:38.640 And so then a couple of years later, because I 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:41.519 remember y'all had the this was the source I used 1:20:41.560 --> 1:20:43.920 to have the ads and it was like, guess who's 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:44.559 back in the house. 1:20:45.880 --> 1:20:48.120 Oh yeah, guess back in the house. 1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:52.120 Like the next episode, the next issue be Guess Who's 1:20:52.160 --> 1:20:54.040 back in the house. It would get bigger and then 1:20:54.200 --> 1:20:56.760 like the next issue, it would be the album cover. 1:20:57.200 --> 1:21:00.640 It was y'all when Maine Ingredients set me up for 1:21:00.960 --> 1:21:06.080 Snoop Dogg. Wait, Wait wait, wait are you going with this? 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:06.240 No? 1:21:06.360 --> 1:21:11.080 That was that was like sourced with that record. Man, 1:21:11.160 --> 1:21:14.360 I just remember buying it and I Gotta love. When 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:16.280 I first heard Got Love, and I even told you 1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:19.280 before when I first heard I Got Love, I was like, okay, cool. 1:21:19.640 --> 1:21:22.479 That was like I was like, I'm shut that the 1:21:22.560 --> 1:21:26.439 sing No, that's funny because that's favorite they wanted. 1:21:26.680 --> 1:21:29.519 I wasn't with that as the single. No, I wasn't 1:21:29.560 --> 1:21:31.240 with it. Yeah, I was just like, okay. It was 1:21:31.280 --> 1:21:32.760 just one of them joints that I was like. 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:36.280 But they went crazy over it, and the manager Tuesday, 1:21:37.560 --> 1:21:41.240 the management, the management, they wanted that out, you know, 1:21:41.600 --> 1:21:44.200 was it? I was aiming for something else? I forgot 1:21:44.200 --> 1:21:46.080 what song? What did I want? 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:47.639 First? Was it there? 1:21:47.680 --> 1:21:51.519 I know that some one of them radio friendly ones, and. 1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:54.479 But the thing I noticed with that record was that 1:21:54.560 --> 1:21:57.280 the production just got oh, I mean the remixes, but 1:21:57.680 --> 1:22:00.639 the production you were one of the first producers. 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:02.200 I remember that. 1:22:02.320 --> 1:22:07.080 I thought arranged hip hop songs like a songwriter. 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:10.400 Would, like you have intro, bridges, break down, you know 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:12.280 what I mean. I was taught that. 1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:18.439 By my cousin Have and Eddie f Eddie f used 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:21.680 the program, you know, bridges and ship, you know, and 1:22:21.720 --> 1:22:22.800 then also Marley. 1:22:22.880 --> 1:22:26.880 I picked that up from Marley to the Bridge thing. Yeah, 1:22:27.000 --> 1:22:27.559 that record. 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:30.720 Yeah, the main Ingredient was the one for me where 1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:33.800 I was just like, yo, like hip hop gets no 1:22:33.920 --> 1:22:34.519 better than this. 1:22:34.800 --> 1:22:37.240 Yeah, that was the one. And with the innerludes, I mean, 1:22:37.560 --> 1:22:38.439 talk to us about. 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:42.600 It, like how creating a record, like how do you 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:46.160 what was on your mind when you were both Mecca 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:49.240 and soul Brother and the main ingredient and the interludes, 1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:53.719 and what were you imagining like with making this record, 1:22:53.840 --> 1:22:57.519 like showing us your world or your record collection, being 1:22:57.560 --> 1:23:00.280 a part of like a superhero. 1:22:59.800 --> 1:23:07.200 Team like the Avengers collect comic books, so you know, yeah, 1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:09.360 I was on some comic book ship, you know what 1:23:09.400 --> 1:23:12.679 I'm saying with them beats, you know, so I took 1:23:12.680 --> 1:23:16.280 it on. I took on that that theme, you know, all. 1:23:16.240 --> 1:23:19.400 Right, Now, how were you able to pull that off? 1:23:19.640 --> 1:23:20.360 On the business to. 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:27.000 Uh, you know, after they was digging the album and 1:23:27.040 --> 1:23:30.360 they felt the music sounded really good. I think everybody 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:33.080 was on some this has to just come out, you 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:33.800 know what I'm saying. 1:23:34.080 --> 1:23:34.880 People got ahead. 1:23:35.960 --> 1:23:39.839 It wasn't like, you know, we had to clear some samples, 1:23:39.840 --> 1:23:45.559 you know, we had to meant just interludes was just ship. 1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:47.960 I was just like on some whatever. 1:23:49.000 --> 1:23:51.240 Yeah, listen to somebody coming knocking like a. 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:56.720 People wanted them in The Lose Man. 1:23:56.960 --> 1:23:59.680 They wanted them in what was your nightmare story? With 1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:06.360 losing clearances? Not many because they were pretty short, you 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:06.840 know what I mean. 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:13.040 So I don't know if musicians don't yeah, nobody catch nobody. 1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:16.719 I don't think nobody that I'm sampling from is really 1:24:16.800 --> 1:24:17.679 listening like that. 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:21.240 But it's weird because everyone has like all right with 1:24:21.320 --> 1:24:25.000 the daylight situation. I mean, the Turtles weren't listening, but 1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:30.040 the Turtles was even with me and Doctor Dre like 1:24:30.800 --> 1:24:32.959 I was like, yo, that's my parents. I never sampled 1:24:32.960 --> 1:24:33.719 that never. 1:24:34.439 --> 1:24:38.759 They have some rare phone ky albums on Strawberry Records. 1:24:38.800 --> 1:24:42.320 Oh my god, yeah amazing. I had no clue. 1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:45.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have some joint joint and that's 1:24:45.880 --> 1:24:49.799 when I hit you on Twitter and was like yo, man, oh. 1:24:49.680 --> 1:24:50.800 So they don't get a check for that? 1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:55.400 No, you have? You have you know what's weird? Yeah, 1:24:55.400 --> 1:24:55.720 I got it. 1:24:55.720 --> 1:25:03.000 Okay, it's kind of a weird situation, uh with uh 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:09.759 Philly his own Larry Maggott, prior of the ticket Master 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:16.479 uh Empire, and who used to my dad built this empire. 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:18.880 He used to manage my father. 1:25:19.960 --> 1:25:24.519 Uh, and well he was my father's agent for college gigs. 1:25:24.680 --> 1:25:26.799 So it was long after Andrews and the Heart's finished 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:31.160 and he was doing uh like college gigs around the 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:32.080 sixties and whatnot. 1:25:32.840 --> 1:25:35.439 Like Larry Maggott was his agent. 1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:38.879 And through that college money, that's how Larry Maggott started 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:40.479 ticket Master. 1:25:41.479 --> 1:25:45.120 Of which, in some strange sort of events with. 1:25:46.800 --> 1:25:52.599 Julius Caesar, uh, the Ticketmaster Empire sort of conspired against 1:25:52.640 --> 1:25:57.519 him and they started Live Nation and kind of kicked him. 1:25:58.040 --> 1:25:59.200 So he got his pay back. 1:25:59.720 --> 1:26:02.479 If you, if you saw anenturage, would be like if 1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:07.360 Ari Gold had like twelve proteges and and and in 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:08.400 turns working for him. 1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:09.840 He talked them to the tricks of the trade and 1:26:09.840 --> 1:26:11.040 they all started their own company. 1:26:11.120 --> 1:26:14.600 Yeah, and then they yeah, like you guys start a 1:26:14.720 --> 1:26:17.600 radio empire and then I'm out the cold. 1:26:17.400 --> 1:26:26.880 Like welcome to Spring. True. Yeah, that's yeah, that's wow. 1:26:26.960 --> 1:26:31.880 That's crazy man. So yeah, all right, So when when 1:26:31.880 --> 1:26:32.920 the group breaks up. 1:26:33.640 --> 1:26:38.800 In ninety four ninety four after so, I mean, were 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:44.000 you having also electric thing now that I think about it, well, major, 1:26:44.240 --> 1:26:46.800 major labeled thing, you know, pitting us against each other 1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:49.080 when something new comes, it comes into play. 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:51.960 What were they? What would they control? 1:26:52.760 --> 1:26:54.760 When Sylvia tells you, you know you got to make 1:26:55.120 --> 1:26:59.240 remixes like cough. Daddy's talking to me like this, and 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:02.960 I'm like you, I'm like, I got nothing against that's 1:27:03.000 --> 1:27:04.960 my guy, you know what I mean? But you know, 1:27:05.040 --> 1:27:09.000 people say things and you just be looking at him like, yeah, 1:27:09.160 --> 1:27:12.120 but tell the truth, Pete. You got you got some 1:27:12.160 --> 1:27:13.960 beats where you put the little triangle in there. 1:27:16.560 --> 1:27:19.559 You know what I used to I used to make 1:27:19.600 --> 1:27:22.559 wag beats for fun because I never know who's gonna 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:23.679 like it, you know what I'm saying. 1:27:23.720 --> 1:27:27.800 So, so was the Fluke beat? Was there a Fluke 1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:31.360 beat right here? And whatever? People like, yo, I want 1:27:31.360 --> 1:27:36.200 this ship. I to be like you sure? You know what? Man? 1:27:36.280 --> 1:27:38.639 I always wanted to ask you this. I was always curious, 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:40.160 and this was my theory. 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:43.040 I always thought that your work on He Is Nothing 1:27:43.080 --> 1:27:47.800 but Love was your answer to like puff and like that. 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:50.360 Like that was to me, that just sounded like, but 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:53.000 I'm showing them that you could do that commercial stuff 1:27:53.320 --> 1:27:54.080 if you wanted to. 1:27:55.920 --> 1:27:56.400 That's weird. 1:27:58.320 --> 1:28:02.400 Got me waiting switch you. Those were like the radio 1:28:02.800 --> 1:28:04.760 I have wanted that. He knew I could do that, 1:28:04.920 --> 1:28:06.840 so he was like, you know what, he you know, 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:09.639 I want you to go Hey. He's always the one 1:28:09.680 --> 1:28:11.160 to tell me, don't be afraid. 1:28:10.880 --> 1:28:14.080 To go left. Mm hmm when this case goes right. 1:28:14.120 --> 1:28:16.640 That's how I made most of them beats, because he 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:18.759 would say that you know what I'm saying. 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:22.479 Well, I only mentioned blue Funk because like, I don't 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:27.840 know who was on the payroll, but for Soul training 1:28:28.040 --> 1:28:33.639 to use blue funk uh and black coffee mm hmm. 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:41.080 For the Soul Train line, like when you saw the train, Yeah, 1:28:41.120 --> 1:28:44.160 I was like five, six, seven, eight nine times to 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:45.639 the Soul Train line, which I. 1:28:45.560 --> 1:28:48.639 Was like yeah, and then being up in there, it's 1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:50.759 like wow, I thought the Soul train was bigger, bigger 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:56.040 than small. We see the same dances, that same Asian. 1:28:55.760 --> 1:29:02.320 Girl that she was there shout out to She's not 1:29:02.360 --> 1:29:02.840 for nothing. 1:29:03.200 --> 1:29:05.000 But you know, I know Heavy left like a big 1:29:05.080 --> 1:29:07.960 void in most of our lives. And we can say 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:11.280 how that boil was for you in your everyday process 1:29:11.600 --> 1:29:13.559 of you being you, Like, what kind of void was 1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:14.120 that for you? 1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:19.000 Come on, man, that even you know, I get choked 1:29:19.040 --> 1:29:24.160 up talking about it. But we shared everything together, you know, 1:29:24.880 --> 1:29:28.439 off of music, Like you know, the music came later. 1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:31.160 You know, that was my family, you know what I'm saying. 1:29:31.680 --> 1:29:36.000 And we grew up from three years old, so that 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:39.120 just took half of me away when he passed. Yeah, 1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:41.439 you ain't have man, y'all gave me my career, I 1:29:41.479 --> 1:29:44.320 could say, basically, you know help you know it was 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:47.840 because of him. Yeah, y'all were definitely you know when 1:29:47.840 --> 1:29:50.000 we were coming up starting Little Brother, I remember one 1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:52.799 of the things that you know, you kind of encouraged 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:55.360 us and was like doing the singing hooks and stuff 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:58.080 because at the time, in quote unquote underground hip hop, 1:29:58.520 --> 1:30:00.960 you weren't really hearing a lot of that was rappity rappity, 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:01.639 rapity rap. 1:30:02.000 --> 1:30:05.840 Heavy D was a rapper, but we always played around 1:30:06.240 --> 1:30:09.400 off the records singing and then next thing you know 1:30:09.520 --> 1:30:12.479 he wants he's wanting to do this on records. 1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:18.760 Girls and girls they love me, you know that, and 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:22.479 then we would just do you know, stuff for him record. 1:30:23.200 --> 1:30:26.000 You know what I'm saying. That's dope. Yeah. 1:30:26.040 --> 1:30:28.400 He was my mother like loved every day, Like she 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:33.679 was one of the only rappers everybody's mama loved seriously. 1:30:33.720 --> 1:30:34.960 And then he was one of. 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:38.320 The only that translated into the commercial world, like when 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:39.400 he started acting. 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:41.000 And doing No Life and Living Single. 1:30:41.360 --> 1:30:46.920 Get me started, yo, Martin, you know, Living Single? 1:30:47.520 --> 1:30:51.000 He was all the black on the rock. 1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:53.760 He appeared on a lot of stuff, you know what 1:30:53.800 --> 1:30:57.880 I'm saying, even in New Jersey Drive moviey. 1:30:57.320 --> 1:31:00.360 New Jersey and Who's the Man with Everybody? Who Man? 1:31:02.560 --> 1:31:07.000 Me and cl were the robbers were everything. Yeah, were 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:10.840 sticking up the joint. Yeah, that's what I said. The 1:31:10.880 --> 1:31:12.960 mask we got the mask you can't see our faces 1:31:12.960 --> 1:31:15.840 were mad about that. It was like, wow, we can't 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:16.240 be seen. 1:31:16.840 --> 1:31:17.920 You still get a check with that though? 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:20.960 Right? How many times did they show it? The checks 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:25.200 are finished? Yeah? 1:31:28.120 --> 1:31:32.320 What was peat was about the period so after after 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:35.599 U n c L broke up, and so the period 1:31:35.600 --> 1:31:37.559 where you were working on that's my joint. 1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:42.360 Oh wow, oh my god, extra professional man. Uh Soul 1:31:42.400 --> 1:31:43.120 Brother records. 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:47.639 That's so you were doing this iron I what happened 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:52.559 with those records? Every Man is still it was Matt Bootleg. 1:31:52.680 --> 1:31:56.320 It was never Why didn't officially Electra had Electra had 1:31:56.360 --> 1:31:56.800 all that? 1:31:57.000 --> 1:32:01.160 They had iron and another album now maybe he put 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:01.439 it out. 1:32:01.520 --> 1:32:05.479 Yeah, And but when Sylvia came in to take over 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:08.759 from Bob kraz now who was the president of Electra, 1:32:09.160 --> 1:32:11.760 who set me up to all that stuff to come out. 1:32:11.800 --> 1:32:14.400 It was all gonna come out under Electra. Then she 1:32:14.520 --> 1:32:16.960 came in and just you know, debedit it. 1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:21.880 Man. So what was your relationship like with Sylvia run Um? 1:32:22.240 --> 1:32:24.760 Shaky like that? 1:32:24.840 --> 1:32:27.080 I just felt I just felt like she didn't understand 1:32:27.640 --> 1:32:29.559 who we were, you know what I'm saying. 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:33.519 Even with the success of Troy and it. 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:36.719 Was like nineteen ninety five ninety six, they were trying 1:32:36.720 --> 1:32:40.799 to do some changing, some game change and stuff. 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:45.599 All right, So what what is going through your mind 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:49.479 with now this? This is the perfect plot to things 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:54.519 fall apart where no, you you have a warrior, someone 1:32:55.160 --> 1:32:59.240 very skilled in a particular craft, who goes off the 1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:01.599 war and then come back to his homeland to see 1:33:01.600 --> 1:33:05.960 that the environment has changed, and you know it's colonization 1:33:06.120 --> 1:33:10.479 and all those things that took it. So what is 1:33:10.520 --> 1:33:15.320 your response, because actually, if I've recalled correctly the night, 1:33:16.520 --> 1:33:18.680 I believe the night. So there was a night that 1:33:19.360 --> 1:33:20.559 when we were working the. 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:21.400 Routes were working on. 1:33:24.439 --> 1:33:29.000 On oh things fall apart of Detroit. Pete was also 1:33:29.240 --> 1:33:31.120 I think was that the first night you met Dyla 1:33:31.120 --> 1:33:34.760 when you came to the basement. Yes, and I stayed there. Yo, 1:33:34.920 --> 1:33:41.200 the most magical night ever because Pete is literally remaking 1:33:42.920 --> 1:33:45.880 like beats over and we're just standing there like kids 1:33:45.880 --> 1:33:47.640 in this candy store. 1:33:48.120 --> 1:33:49.599 Yes, dude, I was there. 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:52.920 And so the thing is, the thing is that I 1:33:53.000 --> 1:33:57.760 was shocked that by that point you said like I 1:33:57.800 --> 1:34:00.840 don't use the three thousand, and I was shocked. 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:02.439 I was like, wait a minute, you're still using the 1:34:02.479 --> 1:34:03.320 twelve hundred. 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:07.440 And I know, like your tools are your tools, but 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:11.720 how do you with technology moving at the speed of 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:12.920 sound the way it is now. 1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:15.320 I used the twelve all the way up until two 1:34:15.360 --> 1:34:19.800 thousand and I know, and that's when I started doing 1:34:19.800 --> 1:34:20.760 the forty five thing. 1:34:21.600 --> 1:34:25.240 Really, Yeah, when we came to see you in two 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:27.719 I think that was when you had just started using 1:34:27.840 --> 1:34:28.400 three thousand. 1:34:28.439 --> 1:34:31.960 Yeah, three thousand, and you finally graduated. Yeah, I'm gonna 1:34:31.960 --> 1:34:32.200 tell you. 1:34:32.280 --> 1:34:35.280 I'm on the two thousand Excel and it feels like 1:34:35.280 --> 1:34:38.120 an upgradeed SB twelve hundred. So I feel like I 1:34:38.120 --> 1:34:39.200 don't need nothing else. 1:34:40.200 --> 1:34:48.920 Justified. Yo, James Poyser, I won't even me and talk 1:34:49.040 --> 1:34:49.519 on Twitter. 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:53.840 I won't even disrespect him. But I'm on a middle finger. Gee, 1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:58.519 James poison. James Poyser teaches me. He calls me like 1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:03.599 a played out ninety years because I can't let my 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:04.800 two thousand Xcel go. 1:35:06.320 --> 1:35:08.880 It feels so good. I can't. Yeah, I can't let 1:35:08.920 --> 1:35:11.160 it go, like I still use it to this day. 1:35:11.200 --> 1:35:14.400 That's right and using it. He yeah, he makes me 1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:17.919 feel horrible for this, but I'm saying for you. 1:35:17.920 --> 1:35:21.000 I use a RAN two sometimes mess with the renaissance? 1:35:21.280 --> 1:35:23.920 Really so does it? 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:26.320 It energy? It's cool. I like it. 1:35:26.320 --> 1:35:32.080 It does things, it gives you unlimited but it's a 1:35:32.080 --> 1:35:35.000 little bit more to it than my thing is simple 1:35:35.280 --> 1:35:38.240 to the point. If I know what to do, it's done. 1:35:38.680 --> 1:35:41.519 I know that machine really so so. 1:35:41.920 --> 1:35:46.400 But with now, like, are you able to use able 1:35:46.479 --> 1:35:47.880 to use modern? 1:35:50.160 --> 1:35:53.360 I have able to and I've used it on New 1:35:53.439 --> 1:36:00.240 York's Finest. Okay, do I have just regular, you know, 1:36:01.840 --> 1:36:06.880 nothing crazy pro tools? I had the Pro Tools seven, 1:36:07.000 --> 1:36:10.800 then graduated from that to the ten, right, you know, 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:12.360 to do extra more. 1:36:13.160 --> 1:36:15.040 Well, I know it's hard leaving your comfort zone because 1:36:15.040 --> 1:36:18.800 I know that when Stroe Elliott was telling me, it 1:36:18.880 --> 1:36:22.040 was so hard for him to like, there's there's this 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:24.760 there's a slew cats right now, like tall black guy 1:36:24.920 --> 1:36:31.960 Stroe Elliott, Joe Roun Bombay, when Joe Ron Bombay is 1:36:32.280 --> 1:36:37.000 from Canada, and these cats are I mean, they're making 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:40.240 incredible beats, and but they're using some of the most 1:36:40.240 --> 1:36:43.720 primitive Like I remember laughing at ninth when he showed me. 1:36:45.000 --> 1:36:48.360 I was like, yeah, that's what I didn't know either. Yeah, 1:36:48.400 --> 1:36:51.120 but what what these new cats are using as like 1:36:51.200 --> 1:36:55.280 even a step crazier than fruity loops, was like so basic, 1:36:55.560 --> 1:36:58.479 And they were telling me like, well, this is how 1:36:58.479 --> 1:36:59.760 we first Like they were using like. 1:36:59.720 --> 1:37:01.639 So acid ad like. 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:07.920 Real, it's still very basic, but making miracles out this ship. 1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:11.519 And Sereue Elliott told me like he finally had to 1:37:12.960 --> 1:37:17.840 physically force himself out of using like a lot of 1:37:17.840 --> 1:37:20.960 that the primitive stuff so that he could, you know, 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:23.800 really jump in the game of beat making? Man, So 1:37:24.040 --> 1:37:27.160 is that I mean, is that a personal fear? Because 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:29.559 to hear anyone else say it, it's like, oh man, 1:37:29.600 --> 1:37:31.640 it's easy, like once you once you do it, you 1:37:31.640 --> 1:37:34.800 won't But how hard is it to leave your your 1:37:34.840 --> 1:37:39.479 tools of the trade? And oh man, it's hard. 1:37:39.520 --> 1:37:43.120 It's hard to because you mean, I mean, I made 1:37:43.200 --> 1:37:46.360 on my hips off that twelve hundred and it wasn't hard. 1:37:46.439 --> 1:37:48.240 It wasn't easy for me to give that up. But 1:37:48.280 --> 1:37:51.080 then when I started playing with the two thousand, I 1:37:51.120 --> 1:37:54.679 started forgetting about this. Do you still use the twelve hundred? 1:37:56.000 --> 1:37:58.439 It was the last time used beats on it. I 1:37:58.720 --> 1:38:01.280 still have a lot of beat with that machine, so 1:38:01.360 --> 1:38:03.439 I don't. I haven't used it lately. Oh yeah, I 1:38:03.479 --> 1:38:06.760 did on Mac Wild's album, first album, Oh Wow, What 1:38:06.840 --> 1:38:07.200 did you do? 1:38:07.240 --> 1:38:07.519 On it? 1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:11.320 I did song called I Think so what? He named 1:38:11.360 --> 1:38:14.840 it love and then another one called him duck Sauce. 1:38:14.600 --> 1:38:19.080 And those beats were done on the on the spow. 1:38:17.840 --> 1:38:22.559 Duck Sauce, wasn't the other one one? Impress it all straight? 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:27.120 Sp Salim Salam laid that down for me. Okay, Yeah, 1:38:27.200 --> 1:38:27.960 I remember. 1:38:27.760 --> 1:38:30.720 When you you were working on the two thousand and 1:38:31.280 --> 1:38:34.839 the thing I thought was so dope your bass lines? 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:36.719 How is that? 1:38:37.120 --> 1:38:39.599 Because I mean, you're like one of my favorite bass. 1:38:39.400 --> 1:38:41.160 Players that don't play a bass. 1:38:42.560 --> 1:38:45.680 Humming, humming, humming in my head listening, you know, just 1:38:45.840 --> 1:38:51.200 you know, that's just I think that became a natural 1:38:51.240 --> 1:38:53.400 thing because that was my thing. I used to want 1:38:53.439 --> 1:38:56.640 to practice, you know, making bass lines. You know what 1:38:56.680 --> 1:38:57.080 I'm saying. 1:38:57.160 --> 1:39:00.599 And famala James Brown Records, I heard the Barrier Records, 1:39:00.600 --> 1:39:03.479 to Isaac Records, all the jazz records. I used to 1:39:03.560 --> 1:39:04.360 hum Baseline. 1:39:05.760 --> 1:39:06.920 I always said that. 1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:15.559 If one particular musician, if you were personified, or if 1:39:15.640 --> 1:39:22.000 you were representing a musician, you were probably I'd say 1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:23.439 you would be Marshall Jones. 1:39:24.120 --> 1:39:26.679 Yeah, I think you read. 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:33.880 I had an hour conversation with Marshall Jones and the 1:39:34.160 --> 1:39:38.720 look of shot on his face when I'm trying to 1:39:38.760 --> 1:39:45.360 explain to him how vital him specifically, how vital he 1:39:45.520 --> 1:39:50.760 was to renaissance hip hop culture, and he's thinking like, oh, 1:39:50.840 --> 1:39:53.439 skin tight, none of I'm like, no, Marshall Jones, you 1:39:53.439 --> 1:39:57.040 don't get it, like and I'm breaking down, like you know, 1:39:57.120 --> 1:39:59.719 like like what's going on, like you cover what's going 1:39:59.760 --> 1:40:04.519 on and paint all that stuff and players balling. It 1:40:04.640 --> 1:40:07.760 took like it took ten minutes for it really to 1:40:07.840 --> 1:40:13.240 sink in that that Westbound version of Ohio Players was. 1:40:14.680 --> 1:40:18.920 Valuable to us. Now, oh my goodness. He couldn't he 1:40:19.360 --> 1:40:21.639 couldn't understand that. But the longest man. 1:40:22.360 --> 1:40:28.360 But eventually, like they have unreleased, yeah, from seventy three. 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:32.320 I was gonna say, like, I would love nothing better. 1:40:32.439 --> 1:40:35.160 Sent me, I sent he sent me some files and 1:40:35.200 --> 1:40:38.360 I was listening to that shit, losing my mind, like god, 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:40.800 some record and it sounds. 1:40:40.479 --> 1:40:41.559 Just like boo. 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:48.080 What like it's on that vibe. It's on that vibe. 1:40:48.160 --> 1:40:50.880 It's not that same you know base yeah yeah. 1:40:50.760 --> 1:40:55.719 Yeah, But just like next next to James Damison in Motown, 1:40:55.840 --> 1:41:02.639 like Marshall Jones is. I mean, it's baselines are just believable. Man. 1:41:03.320 --> 1:41:08.680 It's it's not Flashy's and that's it. You know what. 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:12.640 I'm trying to explain to the cats. It's like the 1:41:12.720 --> 1:41:17.639 less you do, the more timeless it is. So Pete, Yeah, 1:41:18.120 --> 1:41:20.479 all right, we've done a lot about yesterday. Now talk 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:22.120 about your what are you up to you late? 1:41:22.280 --> 1:41:22.400 Well? 1:41:22.439 --> 1:41:24.960 I mixed the new Locks record for the album Yesterday 1:41:24.960 --> 1:41:29.200 for the new album The Styles Pete Jadakiss and Chiclut 1:41:29.280 --> 1:41:31.920 shout out to them. And then I got this project 1:41:31.960 --> 1:41:34.120 with my man smoked this over there smokes. 1:41:34.120 --> 1:41:35.120 Just how you doing? Brother? 1:41:40.120 --> 1:41:42.360 He's like, Man, I'm so fucking hungry, man. 1:41:43.880 --> 1:41:44.559 Chicken sandwiches. 1:41:44.560 --> 1:41:45.200 Don't be hungry. 1:41:45.680 --> 1:41:47.400 No, no, no, I'm chilling. I'm cool. 1:41:47.560 --> 1:41:47.840 Nah. 1:41:48.120 --> 1:41:49.360 Now that's my dude right there? 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:50.760 My god? 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:54.200 You like, who are you? 1:41:54.680 --> 1:41:58.599 But we got this album that's really really dope, and 1:41:58.640 --> 1:42:02.000 it's long time come and this long time that we 1:42:02.080 --> 1:42:05.360 haven't heard something like this, you know, you know, representing 1:42:05.479 --> 1:42:09.519 hip hop and live you know, playing you know, mixed 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:10.639 with you know, funk. 1:42:11.000 --> 1:42:12.800 So what do you what do you feel. 1:42:14.040 --> 1:42:18.360 The standard of excellence is now for twenty sixteen as 1:42:18.360 --> 1:42:22.679 far as like, is it still for you like a break. 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:24.640 Be that moves you, the loop that moves you? Or 1:42:24.840 --> 1:42:27.200 like are you now thinking of a generational gap thing? 1:42:27.320 --> 1:42:30.040 And yeah, I'm thinking about the generational gap thing because 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:31.200 I feel like what. 1:42:31.320 --> 1:42:32.960 Part of you is like I'm gonna take you all 1:42:33.000 --> 1:42:34.920 to me, and what part of you is like because 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:39.560 have you heard a premiere's remix of Timmy Timmy Turner. 1:42:39.320 --> 1:42:45.639 Yeah, Timmy, Timmy turn and I uh, you know, man, 1:42:45.720 --> 1:42:51.559 let me see what could I say from from you know, 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:53.280 from I know you've. 1:42:53.120 --> 1:42:58.800 Had any words with millennials before online or whatever. Ye, no, 1:42:58.920 --> 1:43:01.160 I mean you know, I'm those are real words and 1:43:01.160 --> 1:43:05.720 real thoughts like I too would like to see us 1:43:05.760 --> 1:43:07.920 do better. But I mean part of me is wondering, like, 1:43:09.720 --> 1:43:11.400 are we now our parents? 1:43:11.680 --> 1:43:15.360 And yeah, yeah, absolutely, now we're the grown ups. You 1:43:15.400 --> 1:43:17.719 know that we have to teach you know what I'm saying. 1:43:18.280 --> 1:43:20.840 So it's it's wrong for me to want to hear 1:43:21.040 --> 1:43:26.800 English or at least words that I no, no, no. 1:43:29.120 --> 1:43:29.800 Disrespect. No. 1:43:30.800 --> 1:43:34.080 Yeah, you're having your Chef Gordon hearing hip hop for 1:43:34.120 --> 1:43:34.559 the first time. 1:43:34.680 --> 1:43:37.080 Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. I'm 1:43:37.120 --> 1:43:37.800 just saying. 1:43:38.120 --> 1:43:40.000 Yeah, but it's just coming from a little bit of 1:43:40.040 --> 1:43:42.400 a different place than these kids. 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:45.799 As far as I know, we started mumble. I'm sorry, 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:51.000 don't say nothing. That's my shield. No no. 1:43:51.080 --> 1:43:52.920 But so let me ask you this then, So, since 1:43:52.920 --> 1:43:57.320 you are so aware of the differences and whatnot, then 1:43:57.680 --> 1:43:59.080 how do you decide to do why smoke? 1:43:59.120 --> 1:43:59.280 Then? 1:43:59.600 --> 1:44:02.880 Well, because he's a good young guy with the old soul, 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:04.840 you know what I'm saying. And he's been around for 1:44:04.840 --> 1:44:07.439 a while. He has his own little cult following, you know, 1:44:07.520 --> 1:44:12.519 which attracted me also with his skill set and you know, 1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:17.920 all like he's he's not he's different from certain younger 1:44:18.160 --> 1:44:22.280 generational artists, you know, like all right, some of my 1:44:22.360 --> 1:44:25.920 favorites are like Kendrick and Jake Cole and Action Bonds 1:44:25.960 --> 1:44:29.320 and Joey Badass. You know, the list goes on, you know, 1:44:29.360 --> 1:44:31.840 and then you have some that do their own thing. 1:44:32.080 --> 1:44:34.760 You know what I'm saying, that people try to comprehend. 1:44:35.240 --> 1:44:38.679 And the part that's where I come in, where I'm saying, Look, 1:44:39.000 --> 1:44:40.960 you got to say something, man, you know, you got 1:44:40.960 --> 1:44:42.000 to talk to the people. 1:44:42.080 --> 1:44:42.240 Man. 1:44:42.280 --> 1:44:45.479 We not We're not aliens, you know what I'm saying. 1:44:45.920 --> 1:44:47.600 I don't know where your mind is at, but we 1:44:47.840 --> 1:44:50.320 people that want to comprehend with you. 1:44:49.479 --> 1:44:50.920 You know your. 1:44:50.760 --> 1:44:51.880 Message And it's funny. 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:54.599 I made a joke, but and serious y'all. The title 1:44:55.200 --> 1:44:58.080 don't Smoke Rock. That's some serious thought. That's not a joke. 1:44:58.200 --> 1:45:01.360 Like tell people, it's not just a common you'll names smoke. 1:45:02.320 --> 1:45:05.680 You came up with that, Wow, it was just to 1:45:05.720 --> 1:45:07.880 play on words with our names, and I just felt, 1:45:07.960 --> 1:45:09.720 you know, with the times that we're in, it was 1:45:09.760 --> 1:45:12.680 just something positive. But I didn't really want to. I mean, 1:45:12.720 --> 1:45:16.880 it's it's kind of cliche eighty eight Ronald Reagan, you 1:45:16.960 --> 1:45:19.960 know what I mean. But but but really in the 1:45:20.040 --> 1:45:22.320 times that we're in right now, I mean, it's not 1:45:22.439 --> 1:45:25.000 too far from Malia any of the weird ship that 1:45:25.040 --> 1:45:27.760 they fucking with now. So I mean, you know, don't 1:45:27.800 --> 1:45:31.080 smoke rockets kind of like our powerful way of being, like. 1:45:32.840 --> 1:45:36.280 You smoking on chill Nick, chill off. 1:45:37.600 --> 1:45:40.600 But you know, this is just a great album. You know, 1:45:40.600 --> 1:45:44.639 we got Brick Bross on there, we got wile A 1:45:45.120 --> 1:45:49.200 mac Miller, the Locks camraon hm. 1:45:53.200 --> 1:45:53.400 Hmm. 1:45:54.120 --> 1:45:58.840 I wanted to ask you smoking what was it like? Well, 1:45:58.880 --> 1:46:02.479 first off, were you aware you know of I mean 1:46:02.720 --> 1:46:03.360 Pete rock. 1:46:04.000 --> 1:46:12.120 Right Gott And uh yeah no seriously, so like working 1:46:12.160 --> 1:46:14.280 with him like Win died it, Win died it. 1:46:14.760 --> 1:46:15.439 I just Win died it. 1:46:15.600 --> 1:46:18.920 Shift to say like okay, like I want to be 1:46:18.960 --> 1:46:21.200 a fan, but now I gotta really, you know, do 1:46:21.280 --> 1:46:22.600 the work, you know what I'm saying, Like, was it 1:46:22.640 --> 1:46:24.240 ever a shift during the recording? 1:46:25.320 --> 1:46:26.799 I don't think it was ever a shift. 1:46:26.840 --> 1:46:29.400 I mean once pr made that initial call like YO, 1:46:29.560 --> 1:46:30.800 was up, you're trying to do this? 1:46:31.439 --> 1:46:36.160 It was like yeah, it was. 1:46:36.040 --> 1:46:39.600 Like of course, you know, and I kind of like 1:46:40.400 --> 1:46:43.240 I'm like a lucky fool, like you know, Flex sent 1:46:43.320 --> 1:46:45.240 me a Pete Rock beat, like, Yo, I need you 1:46:45.280 --> 1:46:47.400 to give me thirty two bars for my mixtape on 1:46:47.439 --> 1:46:48.000 this Pete Rock. 1:46:48.120 --> 1:46:50.559 That's how it started. And I'm like, well, that's how 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:51.240 the work. 1:46:51.160 --> 1:46:53.639 That's that's how the working relationships started. 1:46:54.200 --> 1:46:56.760 And you know, from there, I was like overwhelmed, like, oh, 1:46:56.920 --> 1:46:58.559 it's a Pete Rock beat, Like he could have sent 1:46:58.680 --> 1:47:01.280 me whatever because he was saying and anybody else of 1:47:01.320 --> 1:47:01.679 a ship. 1:47:01.680 --> 1:47:03.439 And I got the Pete Rock beat. So I'm like, 1:47:04.000 --> 1:47:05.679 all right, let me let. 1:47:05.520 --> 1:47:09.000 Me show off so I can impress Pete so I 1:47:09.000 --> 1:47:11.680 can get another one. And then you know, that just 1:47:12.360 --> 1:47:14.840 trickle down to my project. And then he's like, yo, 1:47:14.880 --> 1:47:16.559 I want to keep this from mine and then it 1:47:16.680 --> 1:47:18.959 was like yo, let's just do a full length joint. 1:47:19.400 --> 1:47:22.599 Yeah, so it came about and it's easy to work 1:47:22.640 --> 1:47:23.120 with this guy. 1:47:24.160 --> 1:47:25.200 Get quick. 1:47:26.160 --> 1:47:29.160 Are y'all still tracking area? Where are you tracking? You're 1:47:29.160 --> 1:47:31.760 tracking in your crib or no? 1:47:32.160 --> 1:47:36.799 Right on thirtieth little spot okay, yeah, do ship fast 1:47:36.800 --> 1:47:37.599 and then quick. 1:47:38.200 --> 1:47:40.200 I was going to say, you don't track vocals inside 1:47:40.240 --> 1:47:40.800 your house, you. 1:47:40.960 --> 1:47:47.000 Know I actually did. I did a few. But but 1:47:47.200 --> 1:47:50.639 what's known is a I did a mixtape for camp 1:47:51.080 --> 1:47:57.760 just thirty blocks. Well, I just did anything. You know 1:47:57.800 --> 1:48:00.280 what I'm saying. It's just a mixtape. They can't loads 1:48:00.320 --> 1:48:02.400 of the type of group. They're spontaneous and they rap 1:48:02.479 --> 1:48:06.000 to any like anything like you know what I'm saying. 1:48:06.040 --> 1:48:09.320 So we just wanted to. We thought it would be 1:48:09.320 --> 1:48:11.840 a good idea to do it. And you know it's 1:48:11.880 --> 1:48:14.960 on my website proock dot com. You can download free 1:48:15.200 --> 1:48:17.680 because there's a lot of sample on that week clearing that. 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:25.200 Well, yeah, how I mean that's even though we're laughing 1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:28.320 about it, I mean for me, that's like taking the 1:48:28.360 --> 1:48:31.639 oxygen out of your tank, Like, how are you able 1:48:32.720 --> 1:48:35.160 to now navigate. 1:48:36.080 --> 1:48:38.000 Skillfully at least to the. 1:48:37.960 --> 1:48:42.839 Standard you're excellent, especially with the product project of this caliber, 1:48:43.280 --> 1:48:48.000 without your number one tool, well, which is the sample. 1:48:48.439 --> 1:48:52.559 Probably just listening to what's going on, listening to radio, 1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:57.000 listening to what people like, you know, listening to other producers, 1:48:57.120 --> 1:49:00.599 new ones, you know what they're doing, and just you know, 1:49:00.880 --> 1:49:03.360 take it all in and say, okay, you know, let 1:49:03.360 --> 1:49:05.200 me do it my way, you know what I mean. 1:49:05.760 --> 1:49:07.519 And then you'll find that out when you listen to 1:49:07.600 --> 1:49:12.599 Don't Smoke Rock. Yeah, good ship Yeah man, good ship Man. 1:49:13.320 --> 1:49:15.559 I wanted to ask you because I was always curious 1:49:15.560 --> 1:49:22.320 about it. Bb em BB was the label out of 1:49:23.160 --> 1:49:24.479 disrespectful that. 1:49:24.600 --> 1:49:29.200 Put out petrumentals and the surviving elements. 1:49:29.720 --> 1:49:31.080 That was that one was stolen. 1:49:31.439 --> 1:49:33.160 No, yo, I'm gonna be I'm gonna keep it all 1:49:33.200 --> 1:49:37.160 the way back with you. Somebody very close to me 1:49:37.240 --> 1:49:41.320 in my camp got a call to mix that record and. 1:49:41.200 --> 1:49:43.000 We were both he hit it. I was like, yo, 1:49:43.040 --> 1:49:46.520 don't do it. I said, don't touch that. I know, Pete. 1:49:47.000 --> 1:49:48.680 That guy is starting trouble, you know what I mean? 1:49:48.960 --> 1:49:52.599 Yeah? So what was the what? What you want to know? What? 1:49:52.640 --> 1:49:53.599 You want to know? What happened? 1:49:54.479 --> 1:49:57.200 I saw him on the plane, man, and let loose 1:49:57.240 --> 1:49:59.000 on this guy. I couldn't put hands on him. 1:49:59.120 --> 1:50:00.439 I heard the story I heard. 1:50:00.600 --> 1:50:03.120 So I started spitting on him. I figured I was 1:50:03.160 --> 1:50:06.760 there because he disrespected me in the utmost worst way 1:50:06.880 --> 1:50:10.559 ever that no man could withstand, and I couldn't hold 1:50:10.560 --> 1:50:10.880 it back. 1:50:11.800 --> 1:50:14.080 I was on the plane with it. What way was that? 1:50:14.120 --> 1:50:16.720 What would somebody said or something he. 1:50:16.720 --> 1:50:19.479 Did something he did rather not, you know, go into 1:50:19.520 --> 1:50:25.080 the personal business. I'd rather say I remember the great period, 1:50:25.120 --> 1:50:27.600 but but what he did angered me. 1:50:29.000 --> 1:50:31.800 So that was and that was Spanner turning into the whole. 1:50:31.960 --> 1:50:35.120 And that was for the pet That was for the peatstrumentals, 1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:36.360 because then we did. 1:50:37.240 --> 1:50:42.639 That was for surviving of the elements. I was working 1:50:42.680 --> 1:50:44.400 on New York's finests and. 1:50:44.439 --> 1:50:47.479 Had some leftover beats on a drive that I left 1:50:47.520 --> 1:50:51.240 in the studio, which I shouldn't have did, and you 1:50:51.280 --> 1:50:52.800 know there somebody stole it. 1:50:53.120 --> 1:50:56.200 Yeah, that's so interesting because from a consumer standpoint, BB 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:59.400 had a whole error where it was just like dope ship, 1:50:59.560 --> 1:51:00.040 like from. 1:51:00.080 --> 1:51:02.680 Yeah, dope ship for the people from people from here, 1:51:02.800 --> 1:51:05.919 from the producer friendly label. It wasn't he wasn't snatching 1:51:06.000 --> 1:51:07.679 nobody in Europe or nothing like that. 1:51:10.200 --> 1:51:16.280 It wasn't they did. I mean, we put our first. 1:51:16.479 --> 1:51:18.800 I remember that BB, and they did right. 1:51:18.840 --> 1:51:21.040 But I mean, you know when when I when we 1:51:21.120 --> 1:51:23.799 first discovered them, it was all love in the beginning, 1:51:23.920 --> 1:51:26.080 you know what I'm saying, and then you know, we 1:51:26.200 --> 1:51:29.479 ended up having you know, I took out lawsuit and 1:51:29.760 --> 1:51:32.160 got paid one took him to court. 1:51:32.920 --> 1:51:35.360 Oh okay, because both of those wreck because it was 1:51:35.360 --> 1:51:36.440 you did instrumentals. 1:51:36.640 --> 1:51:38.720 Oh yeah, I took him the court too. 1:51:39.120 --> 1:51:40.639 Was on b B two, right, yeah, it was because 1:51:40.640 --> 1:51:42.800 we did that was after all of that though, because 1:51:42.800 --> 1:51:46.200 then they then the surviving of the elements came after 1:51:46.240 --> 1:51:50.640 those two A gotcha and then that's when you know 1:51:50.840 --> 1:51:51.439 that happened. 1:51:51.640 --> 1:51:54.360 Man, talk about un c L and where y'all at 1:51:54.400 --> 1:51:55.719 right now? I know, touring. 1:51:56.200 --> 1:51:59.200 We just did a month and a half on tour, 1:51:59.800 --> 1:52:03.000 no off days, just going hard, and I was like 1:52:03.040 --> 1:52:06.479 looking at Cel steaming once. You know, the lights the 1:52:06.520 --> 1:52:09.800 stage lights were so hot in one spot that he 1:52:09.960 --> 1:52:13.439 was sweating so much that when he came in the 1:52:13.560 --> 1:52:16.200 dressing room to sit down, he was literally steaming, like 1:52:16.960 --> 1:52:21.120 the steam was coming Marvel steam. And I'm like, I've 1:52:21.160 --> 1:52:24.320 never seen that ship before, Like, wow, this cat is 1:52:24.400 --> 1:52:28.120 hungry again. Yes, that's when we decided, you know, yeah, 1:52:28.160 --> 1:52:30.120 let's let's do this do this music shit again. 1:52:30.280 --> 1:52:33.719 So y'all talking to the album. Yeah, yeah, he got beats. 1:52:33.720 --> 1:52:37.160 He's on Cloud nine right now. Oh ship, So there's 1:52:37.200 --> 1:52:41.439 a chance that we might have a new Pete Rock 1:52:42.920 --> 1:52:43.879 in twenty seventeen. 1:52:44.000 --> 1:52:45.519 Wow, something to look forward to. 1:52:45.960 --> 1:52:49.280 Damn it, because I will say the records that y'all did, 1:52:49.400 --> 1:52:55.320 like front Post Breakup, I mean from the Love Thing. 1:52:55.800 --> 1:52:58.080 Yeah, they appreciate. Oh wow you like that? 1:52:58.320 --> 1:53:02.680 What wait wait wait climax she said? Client said climax, 1:53:03.200 --> 1:53:06.559 you said Client? Okay, I just felt that was a 1:53:06.560 --> 1:53:08.680 bad man. I didn't mix that. I didn't mix that 1:53:09.040 --> 1:53:12.160 was cool. The mixed money could have been climate. Which 1:53:12.200 --> 1:53:16.240 one was that one that was? It was Curtis. Curtis 1:53:16.280 --> 1:53:17.120 may give you. 1:53:19.560 --> 1:53:21.760 I remember you playing me that beat and I loved that. 1:53:21.920 --> 1:53:24.200 It was a bad mix of it. Yeah, and the 1:53:24.280 --> 1:53:26.200 dude they had singing over I remember, I call. 1:53:26.600 --> 1:53:29.320 I would have made that, you know, if I was 1:53:29.320 --> 1:53:32.320 behind mixing it, it would have been much better sounding. 1:53:32.880 --> 1:53:41.160 And back on the block back mfs B member. Ye wait, 1:53:41.240 --> 1:53:41.720 what was that? 1:53:42.000 --> 1:53:45.280 Mfs B member One guy who made a solo album 1:53:45.400 --> 1:53:50.880 that was in Montana. There you go, Yeah, yeah, that's 1:53:50.880 --> 1:53:53.439 what you gotta say. Just he said his first name. 1:53:54.400 --> 1:53:57.679 People don't know Montana. They don't know who you're talking 1:53:57.680 --> 1:53:58.920 about unless they have a musician. 1:53:59.240 --> 1:54:02.679 Now, I'm trying to remember remember the record. You probably 1:54:02.720 --> 1:54:11.480 have the album. I know I do now I'm trying. Yeah, yeah, 1:54:11.520 --> 1:54:13.679 I started singing. See the vibing. 1:54:13.760 --> 1:54:18.559 Then that was a joint, like, yeah, that was one 1:54:18.600 --> 1:54:19.200 of them joints. 1:54:19.240 --> 1:54:21.120 But now y'all de forming. I mean, y'all, you guys 1:54:21.120 --> 1:54:23.759 still sound. Every time y'all. 1:54:23.560 --> 1:54:27.840 Put out the current, that's still right now, people are 1:54:27.840 --> 1:54:29.439 gonna drop their jaws on their head. 1:54:29.439 --> 1:54:32.560 And what made y'all get to this point? Because I 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:36.200 remember for it was really nasty. I just think even 1:54:36.360 --> 1:54:39.080 when it was like that, it wasn't totally. You know, 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:42.000 it was a timing period where it did get you know, ugly. 1:54:42.320 --> 1:54:45.200 But then you know, even over the years, I put 1:54:45.200 --> 1:54:48.600 them on piece mental I snatched them so survivor so 1:54:48.600 --> 1:54:49.400 so survivor too. 1:54:50.040 --> 1:54:50.240 You know. 1:54:50.360 --> 1:54:53.240 I was always reaching a handout. And then you know 1:54:53.360 --> 1:54:56.840 when when you're old and grown, yeah, you know you're like, 1:54:56.920 --> 1:54:59.440 all right, man, we were kids then you know what 1:54:59.480 --> 1:55:02.560 I'm saying, fucking funk all that ship, you know that's 1:55:02.640 --> 1:55:03.720 up So that's why. 1:55:09.440 --> 1:55:11.960 So you still live in Mount Running right now? No, 1:55:12.040 --> 1:55:16.600 I'm in upstate New York. Okay. Yeah, it's quiet. People. 1:55:17.720 --> 1:55:20.360 People always like try to lure me up there, like 1:55:21.080 --> 1:55:22.720 just try, there's people up there. 1:55:23.760 --> 1:55:27.560 It's people something you say the artists. I don't want 1:55:27.600 --> 1:55:29.840 to put nobody on blast. No, but I mean, like, 1:55:30.000 --> 1:55:32.800 is it like, are you in the farm area. 1:55:33.000 --> 1:55:35.880 It's in the woodsy area, lots of deers and animals 1:55:35.880 --> 1:55:36.480 and ship. 1:55:36.600 --> 1:55:38.480 Really, and that's where I want. 1:55:38.360 --> 1:55:43.480 To I actually like it because it's you know, yeah, 1:55:43.480 --> 1:55:45.000 it's quiet, but I get work done. 1:55:45.240 --> 1:55:47.040 You know that's scared When I'm in the. 1:55:47.040 --> 1:55:49.920 Hood and everybody, are you scared going to get chased 1:55:49.920 --> 1:55:50.680 by gunk again? 1:55:52.840 --> 1:55:52.960 Yo? 1:55:53.080 --> 1:55:56.120 Listen, I'm running from them ships to man that ship 1:55:56.120 --> 1:56:01.560 get on you. You finished finished stinks And my dog 1:56:01.600 --> 1:56:05.040 got sprayed one time and the dog came in the house. 1:56:05.600 --> 1:56:10.760 My sisters just started immediately throwing up. It's bad up close, 1:56:11.960 --> 1:56:15.160 it's bad. Like is that tomato soup thing real? 1:56:15.680 --> 1:56:17.720 I think it works. I never had to do it, 1:56:17.720 --> 1:56:20.040 but I did it for my dog. It works to 1:56:20.080 --> 1:56:22.680 make tomato soup. Will get the skunk smell tomato soup, 1:56:22.720 --> 1:56:28.160 all kind of eating tomato sauce, anything, tomato ship. I 1:56:28.200 --> 1:56:32.920 just want to take a tomato bad tomato bat That's 1:56:32.960 --> 1:56:36.560 what we was doing for the dog. Tomato bad. That's crazy. 1:56:37.280 --> 1:56:40.600 Do you and do you and grab grap lover ya 1:56:40.720 --> 1:56:42.080 still y'all still work. 1:56:42.880 --> 1:56:43.880 We haven't worked in well. 1:56:43.920 --> 1:56:48.040 I mean I think he put out an instrumental album 1:56:48.160 --> 1:56:52.080 of beats that we used to experiment with, and then 1:56:52.320 --> 1:56:54.280 you know he would learn from me and catch on 1:56:54.400 --> 1:56:57.120 and do ship himself and then put it. 1:56:57.200 --> 1:57:01.320 He put out an instrumental and actually half man, half amazing. 1:57:01.600 --> 1:57:04.480 He produced that. He produced it first. But he had 1:57:04.520 --> 1:57:07.840 these drums and he was like, I don't like the drums. 1:57:07.840 --> 1:57:11.080 And I didn't like them either, so he was like, yo, 1:57:11.280 --> 1:57:12.320 just change the drums. 1:57:12.720 --> 1:57:19.160 Speaking of drums. Okay, So when my beautiful, Twisted, Dark 1:57:19.200 --> 1:57:25.200 Fantasy album was getting announced and he was like, I'm 1:57:25.200 --> 1:57:28.320 gonna use Pete Rock. Now, in my head, I thought 1:57:28.360 --> 1:57:31.960 you were going to make a fresh beat. I'm not mad. 1:57:32.040 --> 1:57:35.240 No, no, no, I'm not mad because he took one of 1:57:35.400 --> 1:57:39.160 one of your one of your best interlude beats of 1:57:39.200 --> 1:57:44.400 all time. But okay, when you're working in that environment, 1:57:44.360 --> 1:57:47.680 and plus you you also did the makings of you. 1:57:51.880 --> 1:57:57.880 Now that's when I first met Rose too. Okay, So 1:57:58.720 --> 1:58:00.320 when you're in that environment. 1:58:01.960 --> 1:58:09.440 Is it is it limiting when when you're working well, 1:58:09.880 --> 1:58:12.880 I don't mean limiting, because I also had this question 1:58:12.920 --> 1:58:17.120 for a Q tip when he made on wasch the throne, 1:58:18.240 --> 1:58:18.960 that's my bitch. 1:58:19.040 --> 1:58:22.320 Oh yeah yeah, beats that. 1:58:22.320 --> 1:58:25.920 Don't necessarily sound like it came from their cannon, you 1:58:25.960 --> 1:58:30.000 know what I mean? So in that particular envirralm because 1:58:30.040 --> 1:58:31.600 I felt like what they did was they stripped you 1:58:31.680 --> 1:58:35.160 down to your your your basic minimum, like were you 1:58:35.280 --> 1:58:37.400 presenting full fledged ideas to them? 1:58:37.400 --> 1:58:40.720 And they were just like yep, nope, we just want no. 1:58:40.800 --> 1:58:43.360 I was actually Kanye was picking beats. 1:58:43.400 --> 1:58:46.040 He picked like eight or nine and we narrowed it 1:58:46.080 --> 1:58:49.120 down to the one, but he did like two or 1:58:49.160 --> 1:58:51.640 three rhymed on one. He asked me phone to rhyme 1:58:51.680 --> 1:58:55.240 on the enjoy with him, but I wasn't ready, you know, 1:58:55.680 --> 1:58:56.160 to do that. 1:58:56.280 --> 1:58:58.600 Yeah, okay, okay, no, no, you know. 1:58:58.640 --> 1:59:00.840 It wasn't nothing, But I was just really sorry about 1:59:00.840 --> 1:59:04.919 your your your your vocal uh powers? 1:59:04.920 --> 1:59:09.320 Which nah, I'm with you. 1:59:09.320 --> 1:59:13.840 You made it you like I don't know you. You 1:59:13.840 --> 1:59:17.880 had a cool voice for it, like thanks, just like 1:59:17.960 --> 1:59:20.120 you were shot, Like how come you didn't produce that? 1:59:20.200 --> 1:59:20.600 I wasn't. 1:59:20.840 --> 1:59:23.040 I don't know, man, it's a grand pooba, Like who 1:59:23.080 --> 1:59:26.560 made you? Grand pool back here to win the buzz bees? 1:59:26.600 --> 1:59:29.400 Again? Blame for me? 1:59:29.520 --> 1:59:31.840 Rappings that they made you do to don't curse verse 1:59:31.880 --> 1:59:32.720 because I was like, do you. 1:59:32.680 --> 1:59:33.200 Want to do that? 1:59:33.360 --> 1:59:35.320 Those are the first rhymes I wrote by myself. 1:59:35.880 --> 1:59:38.839 Oh man man yeah. 1:59:39.400 --> 1:59:44.120 Yeah yeah, and then pool Boy wrote the Creator and 1:59:44.240 --> 1:59:44.760 Soul Brother. 1:59:45.360 --> 1:59:52.360 What three beats that were made? Were you? Just like, damn, 1:59:52.400 --> 1:59:55.520 I wish I made it? Like probably not. 1:59:55.680 --> 1:59:57.480 I feel some sort of way like I could make 1:59:57.560 --> 2:00:00.120 that better, but just like I wish, I mean that 2:00:00.560 --> 2:00:02.400 probably what three joints? 2:00:02.400 --> 2:00:04.240 Did you hear? It was just like or somebody got 2:00:04.240 --> 2:00:05.120 to the sample first? 2:00:06.040 --> 2:00:09.080 Well that's my second question, but just a completed song. 2:00:09.880 --> 2:00:15.280 I wish I produced this, probably like the power song 2:00:16.680 --> 2:00:24.800 I gave you power that pretymom did that right? Yeah? Okay, 2:00:24.960 --> 2:00:30.080 what other joint? I was a lot of his joints. 2:00:30.200 --> 2:00:31.320 But you know. 2:00:33.720 --> 2:00:35.400 I have you have to ask me that another time 2:00:35.680 --> 2:00:38.920 at the interview. Then you know I have a better 2:00:39.320 --> 2:00:41.120 thought process like any joints? 2:00:42.880 --> 2:00:46.520 All? All right? So what sample. 2:00:48.160 --> 2:00:52.320 Did you have in your possession that you didn't realize 2:00:53.400 --> 2:00:54.000 that's where. 2:00:53.800 --> 2:00:56.360 That was a whole lot of ship or one that 2:00:56.400 --> 2:00:58.400 you had a plan for into it? 2:01:00.280 --> 2:01:00.480 Hmm. 2:01:01.560 --> 2:01:06.600 Kicking the door, Wow, I was cleaning it. I used 2:01:06.600 --> 2:01:08.320 to play it play playoffs. I'm gonna make something of 2:01:08.440 --> 2:01:10.120 this one day. Then boom premo. 2:01:10.560 --> 2:01:10.760 Wow. 2:01:13.000 --> 2:01:16.080 I remember, I remember being at the crib. You showed 2:01:16.160 --> 2:01:18.760 us the sample for day Lost Pony Ride. 2:01:19.040 --> 2:01:20.000 Oh wow. 2:01:21.440 --> 2:01:27.280 With the record when you're doing this, when the record 2:01:27.280 --> 2:01:33.480 goes and they just you just tapped it. 2:01:36.720 --> 2:01:40.600 So I've learned too much today that it's overwhelming. So 2:01:40.640 --> 2:01:46.040 I'll just stop at Biggie hearing, Biggie hearing in the flesh, 2:01:46.200 --> 2:01:50.480 get me that being an autist, take a look what man. 2:01:50.600 --> 2:01:53.760 I learned that Pete Rock has probably the sharpest ears 2:01:53.840 --> 2:01:56.280 on any human beings that. 2:01:56.360 --> 2:01:59.360 Can pick out scenario. I mean, that's just amazing. I 2:01:59.360 --> 2:02:03.440 think that just them all my life. But that's I mean, 2:02:03.760 --> 2:02:05.400 I mean, I've been listening to it all night, but 2:02:05.400 --> 2:02:07.440 I can't hear him the way you're in. But uh 2:02:07.440 --> 2:02:09.600 but nah, man, it's it's just great just to be 2:02:09.680 --> 2:02:13.920 here with someone who inspired us and just who played 2:02:13.920 --> 2:02:16.760 such an integral part in my career, and to know 2:02:16.800 --> 2:02:20.120 that he still just has the love for the music 2:02:20.480 --> 2:02:21.320 and you know, just. 2:02:21.240 --> 2:02:24.200 Still has that integrity and it's still here. You know. 2:02:24.280 --> 2:02:27.440 It's it's so many cats from that era that weren't 2:02:27.480 --> 2:02:31.760 able to transition and weren't able to you know, you know, 2:02:33.240 --> 2:02:35.000 learn a new set of tools, you know what I'm 2:02:35.000 --> 2:02:37.480 saying for the new world, so to speak. So just 2:02:37.480 --> 2:02:39.680 to see him here and still doing it, you know, 2:02:40.200 --> 2:02:43.040 doing the records with smoke, reaching out to younger generation 2:02:43.320 --> 2:02:45.440 and uh, just still doing it, man, It's just it's 2:02:45.520 --> 2:02:48.480 really inspiring. And I'm happy he's still here with us, 2:02:49.040 --> 2:02:52.360 giving given given my heroes, the Flowers, while they live, waiting, 2:02:53.680 --> 2:02:56.680 not waiting till they passed, not waiting till you know 2:02:56.680 --> 2:02:57.080 what I mean. 2:02:57.640 --> 2:02:59.400 You gotta have a vigil or nah like. 2:03:00.080 --> 2:03:03.800 Tech and still too. On that note, On that note, 2:03:03.840 --> 2:03:04.920 because we did a song. 2:03:05.080 --> 2:03:09.840 About that, Sugar Steve, you would us. Yeah, what you 2:03:09.920 --> 2:03:14.240 learn man? Again, a lot of a lot of information overload. 2:03:14.600 --> 2:03:16.720 This was an information overload episode. 2:03:17.040 --> 2:03:20.600 Yeah, I learned Questlove wants to take a tomato bath. 2:03:22.280 --> 2:03:24.520 Said that if you gets sprayed by a skunk, he's 2:03:24.520 --> 2:03:25.360 gonna have to do that. 2:03:25.560 --> 2:03:28.200 I've gotten sprayed by a skunk. Oh wow. 2:03:28.800 --> 2:03:32.440 I Like, I'm worried about your dad's records being in 2:03:32.440 --> 2:03:33.320 your mom's basement. 2:03:33.960 --> 2:03:37.800 That's the first thing I thought about Ron Control. It's 2:03:37.840 --> 2:03:41.760 good money down there. It's base that it's not moist. 2:03:41.960 --> 2:03:45.200 No, it doesn't. 2:03:45.560 --> 2:03:47.360 Just because you haven't. 2:03:47.360 --> 2:03:48.760 And then you said, you know you still have all 2:03:48.760 --> 2:03:50.560 your discs from from all these you know. 2:03:50.600 --> 2:03:53.560 That's that's where I live now. Yeah, yeah, that's what me. 2:03:54.240 --> 2:03:57.600 I'm close next to me. So you wouldn't take your recollection, 2:03:57.680 --> 2:03:58.160 would you. 2:03:58.240 --> 2:04:02.280 Yeah, of course records, but you're sentimental like you I have. 2:04:02.560 --> 2:04:05.440 You know, my father's records are still at my mother's house. 2:04:05.200 --> 2:04:07.480 So you want them there for sentimental reason. 2:04:07.480 --> 2:04:09.960 Because I have to make room. 2:04:10.160 --> 2:04:11.840 How many records do you? Would you say you have 2:04:12.920 --> 2:04:22.520 like forty somewhere up there's probably more than that too. Like, look, 2:04:22.560 --> 2:04:25.920 my wife is just nuts because I keep bringing records and. 2:04:28.040 --> 2:04:30.680 No more. She's dead ass too, but. 2:04:30.720 --> 2:04:34.600 She knows your peate Rock, right, Yeah, it's like the 2:04:34.640 --> 2:04:38.320 reason why we have this house is yeah, one of 2:04:38.320 --> 2:04:42.080 these records will get you all right. So Bill, what 2:04:42.200 --> 2:04:44.800 I learned, I mean, I really just got confirmation of 2:04:44.840 --> 2:04:46.800 what I've always known is that Pete Rock is still 2:04:46.800 --> 2:04:49.240 one of my favorite producers. And the fact that I 2:04:49.280 --> 2:04:51.880 was actually able to sit in the room and talk 2:04:52.160 --> 2:04:55.280 beats and records with Pete Rock, I can pretty much 2:04:55.320 --> 2:04:56.160 die happy. 2:04:55.920 --> 2:04:56.440 Man right now. 2:04:56.760 --> 2:05:01.240 Scenarios it's like this, This is some dream true ship, right, God, blessed, 2:05:01.280 --> 2:05:03.400 Thank you for coming out, No problem, man, thank you, 2:05:03.640 --> 2:05:07.160 question me and quest go back. You know what I'm saying. 2:05:07.440 --> 2:05:10.440 Oh, I have learned. 2:05:11.680 --> 2:05:12.200 Snares. 2:05:12.520 --> 2:05:15.320 Yes, yeah, no, I'm learning snares. Let's get absolutely true 2:05:15.440 --> 2:05:18.360 real I have learned that. And I've also learned that people. 2:05:18.400 --> 2:05:20.520 I got a lot in common with Ray Parker junior 2:05:20.600 --> 2:05:23.800 scenes though y'all been making great music since y'all were teenagers. 2:05:23.800 --> 2:05:26.120 I don't know if you realize that Parker was just 2:05:26.160 --> 2:05:26.960 on the Today Show. 2:05:27.000 --> 2:05:32.440 Actually he was just the Ray Parker's story is that 2:05:32.480 --> 2:05:35.960 we've heard Man Jack and Jill my favorite joint. 2:05:37.840 --> 2:05:41.120 He's yeah, and plus he's been on so many records 2:05:41.120 --> 2:05:44.400 that a lot of everything, a lot. I'm looking at 2:05:44.440 --> 2:05:45.200 credits on album. 2:05:45.680 --> 2:05:48.560 Damn he's on this ship though. Yeah, he's on somecure 2:05:48.720 --> 2:05:53.400 obscure records too, Like, yeah, we learn Ray Parker, we 2:05:53.600 --> 2:05:58.840 learned a lot, like all those Victor's records and played 2:05:58.880 --> 2:06:03.760 on all No No, No, No, No, No, Unhooked Generation, all that 2:06:03.880 --> 2:06:09.240 rape Parker. Wow, his Verry White stories are messing up 2:06:09.280 --> 2:06:13.120 his car. Yeah, this Barry White stories are oh my god. 2:06:13.440 --> 2:06:15.480 Wait I want to say one other thing that I learned. 2:06:15.520 --> 2:06:17.120 And you don't know this, but this is like the 2:06:17.120 --> 2:06:20.200 first time that I feel like a mere Bill and 2:06:20.280 --> 2:06:24.240 Fonte have fanned out over somebody's word at the same level, 2:06:24.320 --> 2:06:26.800 like we we we interviewed the Revolution, but the levels. 2:06:26.520 --> 2:06:27.480 Were different, you know what I mean. 2:06:27.520 --> 2:06:30.040 But at this moment, it's just a really good feeling 2:06:30.040 --> 2:06:33.800 to see y'all all just kind of saut because and 2:06:33.880 --> 2:06:35.520 on my third note, I would also like to say 2:06:35.840 --> 2:06:38.040 that in all these years, Peter, I always thought it 2:06:38.080 --> 2:06:40.760 was dope that you got dudes on your side in 2:06:40.800 --> 2:06:42.840 this way, but you also move women in a different 2:06:42.840 --> 2:06:44.839 type of way, you know what I mean. 2:06:44.600 --> 2:06:46.280 And we get to talk about that. But I know 2:06:46.320 --> 2:06:47.960 a lot of my girlfriends. 2:06:47.600 --> 2:06:53.960 Like heart felt take your time make heart felt ship. 2:06:54.080 --> 2:07:00.320 Yeah, wow, right. 2:07:00.280 --> 2:07:03.360 I don't want to talk about Troy. Troy real quick, man, 2:07:03.400 --> 2:07:05.000 I think we should real quick. 2:07:06.600 --> 2:07:12.240 Reminisce, well, you know Reminisce, you know happened in nineteen 2:07:12.240 --> 2:07:16.560 The beat making process started at the end of ninety one, 2:07:16.960 --> 2:07:21.360 nineteen ninety one, you know then you know made the 2:07:21.400 --> 2:07:23.720 full beat ninety two blah blah blah. 2:07:23.880 --> 2:07:25.680 You know, y'all want me to go in how I 2:07:25.720 --> 2:07:29.160 made it? Yes, okay, wait, we didn't ask about your 2:07:30.520 --> 2:07:31.440 talk about the albums. 2:07:31.720 --> 2:07:32.880 I sucked, man, I'm sorry. 2:07:32.920 --> 2:07:36.080 I took took a drum loop that's familiar, you know, 2:07:36.280 --> 2:07:39.880 and added that Tom Scott and then the elements afterwards and. 2:07:41.000 --> 2:07:41.880 Rest was history. 2:07:42.480 --> 2:07:47.040 Who directed that video, Marcus ray Boy, That video like 2:07:47.320 --> 2:07:52.440 actually went on perfectly captures the mood of that song. 2:07:53.400 --> 2:07:54.720 Yeah, we was. 2:07:54.920 --> 2:07:57.560 That was the first video that we did and we said, wow, 2:07:57.640 --> 2:08:01.440 this ship really matches what you're talking about, Like Marcus 2:08:01.520 --> 2:08:03.560 did such a great job on that video, and it 2:08:03.720 --> 2:08:07.120 was freezing when we did that, really freezing. 2:08:08.480 --> 2:08:09.320 There's there's. 2:08:11.120 --> 2:08:15.600 There's an MC from Philadelphia that was like way younger 2:08:15.760 --> 2:08:21.640 the generation yeap young and uh wait wait wait here's 2:08:21.640 --> 2:08:24.200 the here's here's the thing with with black people, like 2:08:24.280 --> 2:08:27.560 we'll we'll know the song, but we'll just title anything 2:08:29.400 --> 2:08:31.760 you don't say, well, no, I used to joke that, 2:08:32.040 --> 2:08:35.400 uh like barbarestis saying Evergreen used to be called love 2:08:35.440 --> 2:08:38.680 soft of the easy chair or the way we were. 2:08:39.280 --> 2:08:41.040 The way we were was memories like the corner of 2:08:41.080 --> 2:08:44.600 my mind. But this kid, who's here's the dope. MC 2:08:45.760 --> 2:08:48.400 used to always say his favorite song was Mama getting 2:08:48.400 --> 2:08:49.200 married in the house. 2:08:49.560 --> 2:08:55.480 Woo you know. 2:08:55.480 --> 2:08:58.400 That song, Mama getting married the house? That's all he 2:08:59.200 --> 2:09:02.320 I love my no. Now he's a young kid, I mean, 2:09:02.440 --> 2:09:05.160 but he knows. Yeah, that's that's funny. 2:09:05.520 --> 2:09:08.720 Not black people. And some time it's so funny talk 2:09:08.760 --> 2:09:11.720 about was that like that song about my joye Joy? 2:09:12.160 --> 2:09:17.320 I still call cross Roads Uncle Charles relatable. 2:09:17.480 --> 2:09:21.040 The song is relatable, exactly. Smoke. This is final words? 2:09:21.040 --> 2:09:24.760 Did you this is our nerd out session? 2:09:24.840 --> 2:09:30.360 Did you you trust me? I learned that y'all mold some. 2:09:31.080 --> 2:09:41.920 Technically stupid history, you know, But but I enjoyed it though, 2:09:41.960 --> 2:09:42.440 because you know. 2:09:42.640 --> 2:09:44.040 Like, I'm a nerd. 2:09:44.080 --> 2:09:48.120 I like I like wrestling. 2:09:48.600 --> 2:09:49.400 I'm a wrestling nerd. 2:09:49.440 --> 2:09:52.240 Have you done have you done cheap heat? Peter Rosenberg? 2:09:53.200 --> 2:09:53.720 Cheap heat? 2:09:54.560 --> 2:09:56.720 But Peter, Peter is my man, so I guess we 2:09:56.800 --> 2:09:59.520 got cheap heat anytime we texted talking about it on 2:09:59.560 --> 2:10:02.680 the phone. But we did WrestleMania together and all that 2:10:02.680 --> 2:10:03.320 type of stuff. 2:10:04.320 --> 2:10:05.160 I'm one of those kinds. 2:10:05.320 --> 2:10:08.000 Well, he's It's funny because one time I was in 2:10:08.040 --> 2:10:11.480 San Francisco on tour and this cat is out there. 2:10:11.520 --> 2:10:13.760 I'm thinking he's on the road and you know doing 2:10:13.800 --> 2:10:15.840 some shows. I'm like, what you're doing here. He's like, Yo, 2:10:15.920 --> 2:10:16.720 I'm at the wrestling. 2:10:16.760 --> 2:10:17.000 Shit. 2:10:18.760 --> 2:10:21.640 He's out there just for that. He didn't no rap shit, 2:10:22.600 --> 2:10:26.120 just out there wrestling. It was crazy. It's crazy with it. 2:10:27.120 --> 2:10:30.160 From Electric Lady Studios, this is Court Love Supreme. We've 2:10:30.160 --> 2:10:32.360 had a really amazing show with our guests Pete Rocket 2:10:32.640 --> 2:10:34.120 and on behalf of the team Supreme. 2:10:34.880 --> 2:10:37.600 This Quest Love. 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