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Speaker 2: Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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Speaker 2: was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 1: Yo Yo Yo, what up? This is Fante Fantigolo.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take it back to December fourteen, twenty sixteen with.

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Speaker 3: My big brother Pete Chocolate Boy Wonder. The number one

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Speaker 3: soul brother, producer, rapper, hip hop legend. Pete Rock told

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Speaker 3: us about his deep knowledge of music recording and the

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Speaker 3: art of sampling. My man Smoke Gizza joins him on

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Speaker 3: this one. I think he says like one word can.

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Speaker 3: He was just like overwhelmed with all the lyricshuit we

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Speaker 3: were talking. But anyway, this is a great episode.

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Speaker 2: Pete Rock one of my biggest influences, the reason why

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Speaker 2: I quit my fucking job.

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Speaker 1: QLs classic Pete Rock. Let's go.

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Speaker 4: Suprema Suck Suck Suprema roll call, Suprema Suck Suck Suprema

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Speaker 4: roll call, Suprema Sun sub Suprema. Role called Suprema Sun

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Speaker 4: Sun Suprema roll call.

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Speaker 1: My name is Questlove.

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Speaker 2: Yeah here there's still no thunder, Yeah, but I'm really honored.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, chill much, Chocolate Boy Wonder Supreme.

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Speaker 4: Su su Suprema role called Suprema Sun Sun Suprema role call.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it ain't no other Yeah, I haven't been to Mecca. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go on with the soul brother Supreme.

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Speaker 4: Sun, Suprema role called Suprema Suck Sun Supreme.

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Speaker 1: Role called Sugar. Yeah, loan yeah, yeah, ro.

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Speaker 4: Call Suprema Suprema role call Suprema Suprema.

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Speaker 1: Role ca.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you know yeah rock here, Yeah, gonna.

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Speaker 4: Suprema Suprema roll called Suprema something Suprema.

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Speaker 6: Roll bill is here. Yeah, so have no fear. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: very down to earth. Yeah, and I didn't have to curse.

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Speaker 4: Suprema roll call Supremack Suprema roll call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The flex is crazy. Yeah, I'm super Yeah, so.

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Speaker 4: Supprima Suprema roll call Suprema Suprema roll call.

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Speaker 1: My name is Pete Rock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes I rap yeah, no times I sing yeah, Ding Ding.

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Speaker 4: Supreme Suprema Premo Supremore.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another edition of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: This Quest Love. Welcome to Team Supreme. How you guys doing.

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Speaker 1: We're good? Baby, we should here, uh right now we

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Speaker 1: are with Oh we got two special guests.

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Speaker 2: Actually this is our first combo Yeah combo show that

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Speaker 2: we've done a revolution.

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Speaker 1: Well revolution was like that was like a special news

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, Yeah, breaking news.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like a very special episode of an

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Speaker 3: eighty six.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but they talked about child abuse. Everyone of these

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Speaker 1: things are doubly a special difference.

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Speaker 6: When he was in there in the shot with that

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Speaker 6: ship could never get aired at least doing ads for Uber. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I saw it was on I saw on Facebook. He's

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Speaker 6: in an ad for Uber.

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Speaker 1: How do you know this? It was on Facebook?

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Speaker 2: Like did you spot Oh that's Dudley just someone somebody

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Speaker 2: else saw. Anyway, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Smoke does it and they one and only Pete Rock

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, so we're going to get into everything

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Speaker 2: nerd out. I mean, Pete, this is as as as

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Speaker 2: a person obsessed with music. I love picking the brain

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Speaker 2: of of just someone who is majorly, majorly, majorly majorly

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Speaker 2: obsessed with music. So this is this is an honor

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Speaker 2: for us. Oh God, bless man, you know. Privilege.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, uh, Pete, welcome to uh the show.

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Speaker 2: It's my first time on your show.

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Speaker 1: I think this is our first time.

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Speaker 2: Like's I don't feel like a veteran until we get

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Speaker 2: to episode one, yeah to you know till that time,

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Speaker 2: it'll be around. Man, I don't even know where to start.

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Speaker 3: So man, I would start with I've told the story before,

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Speaker 3: but I've never told him.

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Speaker 1: You're the reason I quit my job. You told me

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Speaker 3: He's the reason I quit my job. So, d what

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Speaker 3: song was it that made you like? Well, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: two when we hit the listening had just it hadn't

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Speaker 3: Above Records, called my house and left. He had Pete

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Speaker 3: and Pete like, Yo, what up his little brother? You

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Chuck Boy wanted to Pete Rock

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Speaker 3: got to get you all on the piece of my album.

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Speaker 3: I got your album listen that's crazy, And I quit

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Speaker 9: Because he said your album was crazy.

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Speaker 2: Pete was crazy and it was even more of content

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Speaker 2: from Circle because I told you before too.

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Speaker 3: My and I was in tenth grade. This is when

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Speaker 3: main ingredient came out. A girl that went to my

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Speaker 1: What does she win? She want?

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Speaker 3: Well, she want a poetry contest and it was like

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Speaker 3: a poem. It was like a black poem about a

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Speaker 3: I just remember Pete and cl came out fucking school.

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Speaker 1: That was all the matter was. And then they got

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Speaker 1: How many how many people? How many fans black? Yo?

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Speaker 1: How many people could fit in the auditorium? Oh? Man?

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Speaker 2: The high school visit is my worst nightmare because this

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Speaker 3: But so p Rock and Sales Moove came to your

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Speaker 3: This is ninety five. This is main Ingredient hit like

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Speaker 1: Man. You guys were receptive oh my god. It was

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Speaker 2: So I have nightmares, like my first time in a

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Speaker 1: You know, the first question.

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Speaker 2: Was asked, do you know real famous people like Andre?

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, kids, Yeah, yeah, you're that all day? Uh

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Speaker 2: this was like two thousands.

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Speaker 8: That's my stuff, Yeah, stuff, real famous. My daughter asked

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Speaker 8: me finding new Kendrick Lamar? Oh yeah, she loves Kendrick.

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Speaker 2: Well that's excusable, but I mean she knows who daddy is, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: But what was your answer?

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Speaker 9: Do you know Kendrin Lamar?

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Speaker 1: No? I don't know Kenrick.

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Speaker 5: Kendren Lamar knows me? That's the bigger point.

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Speaker 8: That they know each other. Yeah, but he probably knew

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Speaker 1: My kids eleven and seventeen?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But yeah, but he came out to school that

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Speaker 8: But you know what, all our demos were whacking begin

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Speaker 2: I still like, all right, so there's like no feeling

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Speaker 2: But like when we came back, I remember we met

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm going with this. It was in Philly,

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Speaker 2: nah we it was Holy Jesus, this was in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, it was a people. It was It was

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Speaker 2: It was like a it was like a homecoming thing.

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Speaker 2: But because the promotion was a little messed up. We

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Speaker 1: Only like many people, sixty people. Was like, U and

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Speaker 1: C was it? Duke? Was it? All I can say

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Speaker 1: was I definitely know was nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have to look that up, because you know,

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Speaker 2: by this point, I was like, damn, like we like

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Speaker 2: So to go from like ninety two to ninety seven

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Speaker 2: and the Whip, that you had always playing beats in

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Speaker 3: Do you still test records like that, Peet, It's still

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Speaker 8: I'm from the old school, so you know, hey, you

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Speaker 8: how old were you do that with Big L in

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Speaker 8: was cracking. I had the Benzi you know you take

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, take care you know the music.

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Speaker 8: You could turn the bass notes like you know, the

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Speaker 2: I love my car. That was a crazy system in there.

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Speaker 2: So how how old were you when you I know

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Speaker 1: My pops?

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Speaker 8: So I was, you know at that time, that's all

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Speaker 8: all his forty fives, and one time he came home

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Speaker 2: And you know, so he was never there's no whooping.

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Speaker 8: I'm like, I mean, no whipping. But you know, he

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Speaker 8: you know that wasn't the right thing to do to

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Speaker 2: My worst punishment came after the Adventures a grand Master

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Speaker 2: Flash on the wheels is steal. Oh wow, like hearing

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Speaker 2: father DJ? Or he just collected record? Yeah, DJ DJ

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Speaker 2: and record collect Where would he? Where did he cricket player?

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Speaker 1: You know? You know, Matt cricket trophies?

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Speaker 9: Really because both of your parents Jamaica, right, Yeah, so

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Speaker 9: you had all kinds of music.

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Speaker 8: Did reggae, classical, soul, funk, jazz especially, and you know

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Speaker 1: So but he had everything. So as a youngster, like

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Speaker 2: In James Brown all day?

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Speaker 8: JB's James Brown, Bobby Bird, you know, Barry White and

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Speaker 8: all the usual usual stuff, Barry White, Isaac. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: All right, So besides the the ABC's of breakfeasts, like

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Speaker 2: that I would have to pay two hundred dollars for that?

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Speaker 2: You like, Oh, I grew up on disco tech soul,

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Speaker 2: I've had that.

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Speaker 1: Oh like what rare break? Did your dad just happen

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Speaker 1: to have that?

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Speaker 2: Well, he had all of that stuff.

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Speaker 8: I mean he had all the Coon and Gang, he

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Speaker 8: had all the James Brown, he had all the Isaac,

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Speaker 8: he had all of like reggae joints that have break

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Speaker 6: You also have to remember that a lot of those

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Speaker 6: We're going to get to it's we're going to get

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Speaker 6: to that that dig today and I just look at

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Speaker 6: I've seen that joint for like a thousand dollars.

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Speaker 8: Serious, Wow, you know I'm not I'm lying to you not. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: even dealers stuff that I find. Oh yeah, yeah, a

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Speaker 2: I was going to say that, Yeah, that record shopping

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Speaker 2: and the adventures of you record shopping is crazy.

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Speaker 1: So what point does this.

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Speaker 2: Become a thing where you want to actually did he

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Speaker 8: He had DJ equipment, But when I was like three

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Speaker 8: four years old, he had the one turntable with the

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Speaker 8: McIntosh amps and these these speakers that and you know.

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Speaker 1: Just a whole McIntosh household. Yeah, that was rare, especially

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Speaker 8: He had the black with the green lights, you know,

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Speaker 8: electric lad Yeah yeah, those amps are incredible right now.

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Speaker 1: To get a Macintosh system now is rare. It's rare.

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Speaker 1: It's a house payment. Yeah, it's very rare. And you're

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Speaker 2: You're gonna pay an pay a thirty forty like so

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Speaker 2: good yep, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: You grew up in the So he was a serious record.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, serious with sound, very serious.

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Speaker 1: Very serious.

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Speaker 9: Is he still is that still with us?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: No, he left us in two thousands.

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Speaker 9: So he was here long enough to see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's seen reminiscs.

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Speaker 1: He's seen obviously his collection became your collection.

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Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, so it's in my mother's basement, and you

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Speaker 8: know he left the records with me and my brother.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I see it's a lot. That's how I started my

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Speaker 2: collection from his.

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Speaker 1: All right, So at what point do you does this

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Speaker 8: You know when I got this job and Steady gigs out?

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Speaker 8: Does it start in the park like it started start

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Speaker 8: a young age. Now, this is Mount Vernon, right, you

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Speaker 8: were born up there. Yeah, I was buying like you know,

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Speaker 8: twelve inches sucking. See, he's all the you know, King

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Speaker 8: Tim the Third, all that stuff, Fat Boys, all that

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Speaker 8: stuff on Suture records.

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Speaker 2: And so was there hip hop folklore as far as

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Speaker 2: like the folklore we hear about parties in the Bronx

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Speaker 2: and stuff like what is what is Mount Vernon's version

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Speaker 2: of that legends that you grew up.

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Speaker 8: Watching like my cousin Floyd Chiba M and DJ Speed

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Speaker 8: and Bomb two and have you know, everybody had different

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Speaker 8: names at the time. My name wasn't Pete Rock. He's

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Speaker 8: name wasn't Heavy d c L's name wasn't CL's move.

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Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. Everybody took on different names.

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Speaker 8: But you know, you know when he started everything, you know,

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Speaker 8: he was the first artist to start rapping and you know,

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Speaker 8: actually trying to make a record and get.

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Speaker 2: Signed from Mount Vernon. Yeah, and then we just followed him. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And you know it started

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Speaker 2: for me early man, early age.

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Speaker 1: So who's the one that like.

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Speaker 8: My cousin well Eddie f had had showed me how

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Speaker 8: to work it, you know what I'm saying. And then

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Speaker 8: I picked up tips from like everybody I was around,

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Speaker 1: You know, so Tedy could get busy on the S

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Speaker 8: I've seen it in the studio. Really, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 8: he used it for something that I.

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Speaker 2: Was about to sake, because like now you don't think

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but that was something that I married, you know

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Speaker 8: what I'm saying. I just you know, oh, aeskub twelve hundred,

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Speaker 8: because I remember the twelve before the twelve hundred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you ever use the twelve? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I used the twelve and the separate hard drive, and

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Speaker 8: I was just doing kicking snare beats with little rim

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Speaker 1: And you know how many seconds could a twelve hole? Not?

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Speaker 1: Man like? It was like ten right? Ten? No?

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Speaker 8: No, that's the twelve hundred was ten point two. It

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Speaker 8: was like five seconds. Yeah, so the twelve was less.

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Speaker 1: Put everything in forty five? Yeah, speed up.

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Speaker 8: Well on the twelve you did that, but well, how okay,

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Speaker 8: here's the secret.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to let you out. You know the secret.

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Speaker 8: Okay, with the twelve hundred, right, I would sample what

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Speaker 8: I needed to sample, whether it was the baseline, whatever

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Speaker 8: time I used up drums baseline, If it was just

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Speaker 8: right tight?

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Speaker 1: K that? Then save it right, then.

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Speaker 8: Erase it whoa, then erase the baseline out of the drums,

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Speaker 8: and then add more music in the drums.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 8: I wasn't doing the forty five trick yet, oh you

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Speaker 8: just yeah, I wasn't doing that. I wasn't putting records

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Speaker 8: on forty five to get all what I need. No,

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Speaker 8: I was just getting it regular. Why I don't know.

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Speaker 8: It was just the way I learned, and it was

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Speaker 8: the hard to me. Now that I look at what

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Speaker 8: I did, I'm like, damn, that's a lot of work

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Speaker 8: I did. Yeah, like super extra crazy you use like

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Speaker 8: a nine hundred or.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't care.

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Speaker 2: I was I had. I was having fun. So when

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Speaker 2: you're having fun, you know, you're not thinking about you know,

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Speaker 2: none of that.

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Speaker 3: And just to give the listeners some perspective, I mean,

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Speaker 3: sampling time for a machine, I mean the twelve point

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Speaker 3: so we had ten seconds to sample whatever you want.

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Speaker 8: So sometimes I got the whole like the world is

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Speaker 8: yours got the whole loop and one you know what

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Speaker 8: I'm saying, didn't have to you know, erase, but reminisce.

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Speaker 8: I had to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because you were like one of the

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Speaker 3: I remember that would layer samples and all of it

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Speaker 3: would be in key, and I was like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Doing this ship.

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Speaker 8: But if you notice, if you listen, not that wasn't

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Speaker 8: like that at first. I used to just sample whatever

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Speaker 8: out of key.

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Speaker 1: I ain't care.

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Speaker 8: I'll just I learned that from sitting in bomb Squad sessions,

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Speaker 8: and I was, you know, just watching the Ice Cube

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Speaker 8: album Go Down Dog.

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, you can't just say that like America.

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Speaker 8: I was watching Hanking and Keith and that and that.

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Speaker 8: I picked that up, you know, listening to Public Enemy.

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Speaker 8: Of course, you just sit in on sessions.

444
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

445
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Green Street we worked in the same studio Green Street.

446
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: Was Jamie was he engineering that? James? He was Jamie.

447
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 8: I met Jamie and Chun King and then that's how

448
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 8: I mean Jamie hooked up. Then I met Rod Way,

449
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 8: who's an agent cat engineer in Green Street. I was

450
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 8: working with Rod first.

451
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: So during those Bomb Squad sessions. How old were you.

452
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: At that time, seventeen eighteen and your first record you

453
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: produced was.

454
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: Goofy Chill Starting from Zero.

455
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And I didn't know what I

456
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 2: was doing in the studio, and some but me and

457
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 2: Jamie wasn't was arguing a lot, and you know, I

458
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: didn't know what I was doing.

459
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: Make this sound like that.

460
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I was just trying to get it

461
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 8: the way, you know, the way I made it at home,

462
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 8: and it wasn't working out. And then all of a sudden,

463
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 8: you know, it started working out.

464
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And then next thing you know,

465
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: I'm at another session using Amy and then next thing

466
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: you know, we developed you started yelling.

467
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

468
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: So in the beginning, were you one of the cats

469
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: like back when I'm like, like I ever had a

470
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: beat making period, it was a period like cats on

471
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: no but like yeah right, but you know, cats would

472
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: just come over with a bunch of records to me

473
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 2: and be like, all right, now, loot this part here,

474
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: that part there.

475
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: So was that like your beginnings, you would.

476
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: I had very few people that did that.

477
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 8: But I remember a story that Biz told me that

478
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 8: he used to, you know, give Molly records and Molly

479
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 8: would hook up.

480
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 5: You know.

481
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 8: That's how nobody buss Nobody used to Biz happened a

482
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 8: couple of the joints. But yeah, I barely did that.

483
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 8: I was just I was just cranking them out, man,

484
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 8: just you know, having fun, you know what I'm saying. Like, So,

485
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 8: how many hours a day would you all day wouldn't

486
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 8: come all right.

487
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: From your from your first time that you like were

488
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: trying to get a master?

489
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: How many hours would you invest in date.

490
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 8: Locked in my room from morning until I could start,

491
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 8: until I until I got tired and then get up

492
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 8: and do it again.

493
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

494
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: So how long was it until you were like until

495
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: I started, as I might I might have something here?

496
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 8: Like how long did I think I was like nineteen

497
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 8: when I was like like starting to lock in, because

498
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 8: that's when I got to shut him down.

499
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: Job. Now that's not before that.

500
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 8: I was doing like, you know, remixes with Eddie F

501
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 8: and stuff, Johnny Gill, Basic.

502
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: Black you did, Alexander, I did that.

503
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: I got Yeah, I got ye in the middle and

504
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: then uh, we'll see il wrapped on it. I wrapped

505
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: on it and then you know the remixes. That's where

506
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 2: it started.

507
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 8: And then when that's I guess, you know, being as

508
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 8: that my name was attached to a lot of this stuff,

509
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 8: untouchables or whatever, and I got I got it.

510
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: I got a public enemy job. So the Untouchables was

511
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: kind of your version of the bomb squad kind of

512
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: who was something else?

513
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 8: It was me Eddie F, Dave Hall Neville novelle, Yeah, ye,

514
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 8: my man, my man Kenny, my man Kenny was in

515
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 8: Kenny Green Yeah, spunk, bigger cat from Mount Vernon. And

516
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 8: and that's it, I think. And my man Willie Willie

517
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 8: from from from like eight of y'all Willie Gunns, my

518
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 8: man Willy Guns.

519
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: So when working on a heavy D record, like do

520
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: y'all just sit in the room.

521
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 8: And buy that it wasn't all of us all the time.

522
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 8: Like Dave Hall would do his own beats and then

523
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 8: like for instance, you know the group intro, come on,

524
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 8: you know I did you know ghosts?

525
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: So you did that? Let me be the one you

526
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: gave him. I did that.

527
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 8: I did that first on on with them always have wait, no, no, no,

528
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 8: it was yeah, I think I can't remember it.

529
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: Was it was it was had first because Blue Funk

530
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: was ninety two, yeah, and then Intro.

531
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: Was ninety three. It was the next Yeah.

532
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 8: So when when when Yeah, when they heard heavy, when

533
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 8: they heard heavy record, you know how they do the

534
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 8: arm beach hip hop beach.

535
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: It's like reggae ships. Like everyone wanted to sing the verse.

536
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 8: But then I gave Dave Paul these drawing program these drums,

537
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 8: and I said, yah, you know, on the disc and

538
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 8: just gave him, as you know, a floppy disk and

539
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 8: I said, there's drums on that, just you know, and

540
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 8: then he made that joint.

541
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: Wow, I had no clue because I played that record

542
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: top I love that record. Yeah, man, God bless bro So.

543
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 5: Wait, I just I got I got a non music

544
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 5: professional question. When was the blow Niggas Away moment? Was

545
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 5: your blow Niggas away moment? And when you were seventeen,

546
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 5: like when you first started shut them down with your

547
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 5: blow Niggas away?

548
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 9: But what Haavy? Everybody who wanted to impress.

549
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 8: Was like what even my own family? Yeah but wait

550
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 8: a minute, cousins.

551
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: Everybody got it for me though, Yeah, all right your

552
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: remix now I knew, yes, yes, shut him down like

553
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: change the game. Yeah, but the remix to E. P.

554
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: M D's uh Ram Rampage, which came out before then.

555
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: I did two different versions that, Yeah, but the disco

556
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: techt so version.

557
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: All right, wait now now I'm getting I have to

558
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: play Williams.

559
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: Yes, that that is joint. That to me, that that

560
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: made me aware of who you were.

561
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: And I'm shocked that that didn't get more more more run.

562
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 8: I mean, I think I was running it a lot

563
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 8: when I was on the radio DJ. I was playing

564
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 8: my own remixes like whatever, you know what I mean?

565
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, so the remixes this was before all sold

566
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: out was this before.

567
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: That's right.

568
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 8: At the same time, I was doing a lot of

569
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 8: like okay, here's the story. I did Down with the

570
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 8: King and Jump Around remix in the same night and

571
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 8: hit Factory on forty seconds.

572
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: Did the tracks the same night.

573
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: No mixing it in the studio. Yeah, like finishing it

574
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: because they were stressing for me to get stuff done,

575
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: so I would, you know, do well. Actually, it was

576
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: Down with the King session and they booked another room

577
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: for me to finish the remix to the house.

578
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: Wow.

579
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 8: That's and then they wanted me to rap on it,

580
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 8: and I was like, I don't know if I want

581
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 8: to rap on it. You know, I wasn't big on

582
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 8: my wrap back then, but it was like please please,

583
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 8: And I was like all right, fuck.

584
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: You know.

585
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: I did one with and one without, you know what

586
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean. I did it some Jackson case ain't.

587
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, that was one of my favorite ones because

588
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: you really took that record like it gave it another feel.

589
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: It's still had energy. Yeah, the original was really was.

590
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: It was still really great till till this day.

591
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 8: But the remix was something that just kind of put

592
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 8: the cherry on top of that record period.

593
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: Okay, let me explain to our listeners to put in

594
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: perspective if you were around for our.

595
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: Dante the scrub Ross episode when I tried to explain

596
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: the idea of the Renaissance period of hip hop. So

597
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: for a lot of our listeners, I mentioned this volume

598
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: of break beats, this compilation called Ultimate Beats and Breaks,

599
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: which essentially would be the Wikipedia of hip hop break beats,

600
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: where they would just give you all the answers. You

601
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: didn't have to do much digging. You would just take

602
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: these records and then start loop and beats. And sometimes

603
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: they would take make beats out of the entire record,

604
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 2: like take sil Johnson's different strokes and mix it with

605
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: Bobby Birds.

606
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: I knew that soul and all that stuff.

607
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: So where you come to play is that you're part

608
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: of a renaissance period that starts emerging in nineteen ninety you,

609
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: along with.

610
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: Tippinally premieres getting his game up.

611
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Prince Paul Larsh Professor, and you know from Philly.

612
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: I gotta include Jeff and this.

613
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: Is I mean even cash Money and Marvelists.

614
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

615
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: So what what is happening is cats are now finding

616
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: other sources to sample their music from that's not from.

617
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: YouTube. That's the new ultimate vizza breaks.

618
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, for people that don't want to

619
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 8: go out there and you know, do what I do.

620
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like, can you really tell those like no,

621
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: not really, you can't tell that. Yeah, there was a

622
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: period where you knew who was serious about the craft

623
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: and who wasn't. And I'm not taking away because again, uh,

624
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: the Bomb Squad is one of my favorite oh yeah

625
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: production companies of all time. And yeah, but I heard

626
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: of ice Cube Sister Soldier Remix I did came out

627
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: on Epic Records.

628
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: No, back in the day. No, what was the name

629
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: of this. I gotta get that. Sister Sister Soldier.

630
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: Sister Soldier made records.

631
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I have the.

632
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 8: Google ice Cube Sister Soldier Remix came out on Wax

633
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 8: and everything. Really, you just brought it to my attention

634
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 8: when you mentioned you know something I got.

635
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: I got to research that. Yeah.

636
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: No, I had the album, but I didn't get the

637
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: twelve minutes. But yeah, where you come to play is that?

638
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: I mean when I joke about you taken the portion

639
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: of the record collection my my that I didn't go

640
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: to my father's record like a lot of the jazz

641
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: stuff and a lot of stuff.

642
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is old stuff. I don't

643
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: want that, and just you.

644
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: Know, just go for the obviously, like if it's worth

645
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: one to fire Stevie Wonder stuff I knew, but I

646
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: mean you're going to Tom Scott and so like what

647
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: is I watch and and study other producers methods and

648
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: see how they do it. Some of them will collecting

649
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: them secure record and just sit and listen to it,

650
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: sort of skim through it, like what is your what

651
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: is your your record listening process?

652
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: That that tells you, wait, I can make something now

653
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: of that. It starts at eight a m.

654
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: In the morning. You get up at him because applause

655
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: for working at a job. There's three people I know

656
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: that get up in the morning. Pharrell Dyli used to

657
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: do it as well. Premiere also like and they a

658
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: morning and then it starts also with a messy house.

659
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: So it's it's even better because you know, that's how

660
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: you get to play the whole record only do and

661
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: you know you're listening and something grabs you. So you

662
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: thoroughly listen to a record, yeah, and absorb it and

663
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: you know, you know, cleaning up the crib. That's how

664
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: I kill the time and until I hear something I like,

665
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: so what I mean, what if you don't get that

666
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: payoff moment, because I mean there's nothing like that moment

667
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, I've been there, you know, get

668
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: stuck kid, you know you know.

669
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 8: Or I get a record that has totally nothing on it.

670
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 8: But now I learned that you can just grab a

671
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 8: record that has nothing, totally nothing. With all the equipment

672
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 8: they have, now you can make nothing into you can

673
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 8: mold it crazy. So yeah, it was. It starts from that.

674
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 8: That's my process of listening to records. And it's time consuming,

675
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 8: but at least I take five to six hours just listening,

676
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 8: not even making beats, just listening. Then I know what

677
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 8: to attack when it's time to rock.

678
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: That's what separates you from the pack. Dude.

679
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: I remember at his crib. We came up to his crib.

680
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 3: This is Christmas two thousand and two. We all drove

681
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: up this crib and we just all slept on the

682
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: floor in the basement and he The thing that was

683
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 3: amazing to me was how you're able to take very

684
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: familiar songs and flip him in a new way. He

685
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: did a flip of oh my god, it was a

686
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: little child run a while Curtis Mayfield.

687
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: Strengths the strings. Man ninth loves that beat. He took it. No,

688
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: he took the beginning of it, and then I put

689
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: that organ in there, and then he put the organ

690
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: in from the beginning to or.

691
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: God.

692
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: That was like, I I think two of my like

693
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: most favorite peat Bab's that just made me really want

694
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: to just like quit music.

695
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: Forever was like that one. And Take the D Train?

696
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: Oh man, did take.

697
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: The D Train?

698
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: You flipped the D God Man, that's my favorite disco

699
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: record in eighties.

700
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 8: But when I heard the B side, you know, if

701
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 8: you're familiar with disco, twelve inches on the other side

702
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 8: of that record is an amazing intro pianos.

703
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah it's the slow yeah.

704
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

705
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: D Train is wow. Yeah.

706
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 8: But you know it was you know those were you

707
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 8: know the records right there. I mean, I want to

708
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 8: ask you a question. How do people how do these

709
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 8: musicians or drummers tune their snares to sound like they're

710
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 8: hitting on a horse shoe or.

711
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: Like a No. See, here's the thing.

712
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: It don't sound like a drum set, you know what

713
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It sounds like the lesson that I learned

714
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: for really good breakbea drumming Uh.

715
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: Really is the debtor like what.

716
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: You imagine what you imagine in your head how powerful

717
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: the break is? Like take all right, I'll give you

718
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: an example.

719
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: With with let's take eye.

720
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: Now in your mind, you're thinking that Bonzo is just

721
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: rocking out like using every you know, like air drummer,

722
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: what you imagine air drummers to do? Yeah, But what

723
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: I found out was because of the particular Micael Steve.

724
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: Steve is our engineer.

725
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: All right, So what like what vintage microphones am I using,

726
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: like like doing the Voodoo era and all that stuff,

727
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: Like what am I using?

728
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: Uh?

729
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 11: Well, a lot of that stuff we had here, the

730
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 11: Noymans that forty seven's like, that's what I believe. That's

731
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 11: what sort of John Bonham had the mono overhead, right,

732
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 11: you know, oh the mono. Yeah, it's like one mic right,

733
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 11: you know over the kick.

734
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: That's weird because substitution.

735
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: How does that snare sound? Like? I mean you're you're

736
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: you've been.

737
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 11: I think our best results for actually recording breakbeats has

738
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 11: been less mics further away.

739
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the thing, Like now cats will mic.

740
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: Every drum an engineering drum, which is why it sounds

741
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: so sterile.

742
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand. Yeah, uh, I mean you just gotta

743
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: think of the environment.

744
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, there were professional recording units, but it's like

745
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: in Motown and all that stuff.

746
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: They was like cats were sharing one mic, damn.

747
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: So when I found my zone as far as like

748
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: really finding that gritty, dirty sound that you're looking for,

749
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: like you said, like the U forty seven.

750
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: And then the ribbon mics, you know, yeah, ribbon mics.

751
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: But even at that, it's also how you play it.

752
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: Like a lot a lot of the teach well.

753
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: The drum, the drums that I use, Like my drum

754
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: company will try to be like, yo, these are special

755
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: trees from Japan.

756
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna cut down you know, all this stuff.

757
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: But no, but I'll tell them like, yo, I want

758
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: the cheap high school set. Wow, And they look at me,

759
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: they're like, why do you want? I want the cheap

760
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: high school set? That sounds horrible. That's what all the

761
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: classic it was made.

762
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, drums weren't getting drum sets. They were using

763
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars sets from like Sears and just tune

764
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: fine tuning it and micing it.

765
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 11: And but then also the way and the less you yeah,

766
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 11: the less velocity.

767
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, here's the trick with those old microphones.

768
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: The harder you hit, the more compression, and the more

769
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: you squeeze it out, the the I mean, I try

770
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: to almost use nothing but risks like very very very

771
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: light touching that way when you EQ, it comes off

772
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: super vintage and super you know, so it's it's almost

773
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: like it's it's an anti climatic answer. What I'm saying

774
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: is that basically, the less I play and the quieter

775
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: I play, the better it sounds. But but in this

776
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: in this age of and I've got in trouble with

777
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 2: making snarky remarks about gospel drumming and stuff. But like, look,

778
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: gospel drumming is something that I can't overcome. And I'm

779
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: not trying to turn the world to my religion.

780
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: They have funk, it's what about God? What about the funk?

781
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 9: No?

782
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: No, no, not like modern like the catch you see playing

783
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: for like.

784
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Unnamed actor.

785
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 8: There's a lot of soul and gospel.

786
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: No, we're talking about like modern.

787
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: When you see modern music today and you wonder why

788
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: this guy doesn't make you feel when you hear Clyde

789
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: Stubblefield playing that sort of thing, it's no one trusts

790
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: that lessons more. And when I drum, I'm always thinking

791
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: of would Pete Rock want to take this part of

792
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: the song, So anytime I'm drumming, But that's you.

793
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: You need, you need something basic and something regular. I mean,

794
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: it's like bread distortion static.

795
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: I was sampling from that. I may really I made

796
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: a beat out of that.

797
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: Wait, I gotta I gotta find it. I gotta tell

798
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: you I made a beat from that from just playing

799
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah.

800
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: I took a loop up, a little quick loop and

801
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: flipped it, you know what I'm saying, and then put some.

802
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: Ship in there and then deleted it, and then.

803
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: Then I put more on top, you know. But yeah,

804
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: side note, it's really weird when you you hear your

805
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: own break beats uh in a porn.

806
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: One time you heard anything, I've heard the scene in

807
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: an amateur film.

808
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: You literally heard the scene they just wants some music. No,

809
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: I heard, uh, someone loot the distortion the static break

810
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: at the beginning, and I thought, you really must be

811
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 2: a fan of the roots that too.

812
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeahs are everywhere.

813
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, the adult world has especially the remix. Oh

814
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: my god. All right, So when the shut him Down

815
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: remix came, I don't even know how to explain to

816
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: someone how important.

817
00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Like shutting shut him Down to me changed really changed.

818
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: I mean he gave it movement like because the original

819
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: but he it was original was cool.

820
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 8: It was baseline drums, and you know it was a

821
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 8: good record, good record, But.

822
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: I mean we really consider that comedy the first, the first,

823
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: I mean it was that wasn't the first remix per

824
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: Se that totally reimagined a song, did it. I don't

825
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: know if it was the first, it was one of them,

826
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: because I mean, it wasn't the first, because I just

827
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: you know, the first one was probably he did.

828
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 8: Molly did remixes. If you remember, like dropping Science, the

829
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 8: original version was different the drum right right right, and

830
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 8: then he flipped it right, you're right now.

831
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: But he did with the what you call it to

832
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: the Yeah, Molly uh, I would say in terms of

833
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 3: the first you're talking about remix that kind of changed

834
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: the game or changed the song Jingling Baby.

835
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: I was yeah, yeah, you remember the original.

836
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: Original, yeah yeah, but that remix and killed it. That

837
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: was it that When that remix hit so I feel

838
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: like the the the summer or no, the fall of

839
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: ninety one, between the Scenario remix and the Shut Them

840
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: Down remix.

841
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: Really, I mean that to me was the changing of the.

842
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: Guards for for hip hop, because.

843
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: You know, and the thing is, I know that we

844
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: all have like our own.

845
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: Romantic feelings of what like classic hip hop should be

846
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: or whatever. But it's like in my head, and especially

847
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: as a DJ now, like some of the stuff that

848
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: I like doesn't really transfer well to the dance floor.

849
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: Like I love speaking of America's most wanted, I love

850
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: the shit out of like that that that cut and

851
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: Nigga you love to hate. Yeah, but it's like sonically

852
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: that doesn't work well in a nightclub at Sphere, and

853
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: it really wasn't working when you spin off Wax like

854
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 2: Serado is loud of Ship.

855
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 8: But for me, what's classic about Shut Them Down? It

856
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 8: was like it was made under ten minutes. Yes, I

857
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 8: lied to y'all not, It's no exaggeration.

858
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: It was.

859
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: It was a rush job. I had to be at

860
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: the studio at four.

861
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I was late.

862
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: I left, you knows no time to overthink. No, I

863
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: didn't even leave my crips. I was like, you know what.

864
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: Let me just and then I seen some albums laying man,

865
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: I hate you right now, you know, grab the Isley

866
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: Brothers grabbed, Tom Scott grabbed.

867
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: What is that? Tom Scott? No, I know that, But

868
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: what song? Is it? Not? The same Honeysuckle Rose record?

869
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: Is it? Never? My love? I hate you right now? Man?

870
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: Never?

871
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 9: So that's you said, that's three songs.

872
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a pool. I used the version of it too,

873
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 8: but Tom Scott yea couch.

874
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh for the I like it. Yeah, okay, but

875
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: I don't know what it when when I heard it.

876
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: But to me, it's so complex and so lay drums

877
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: first of all, like, yeah, the drums, the fact that

878
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: you separated. Yeah, I mean besides Marley, like, would nobody

879
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: beats a business taking drums and reimagine it? Like why

880
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: didn't you just think like an amateur like me would

881
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: have just took long Red. An amateur like me would

882
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: have took long red and.

883
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Just looped it. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was doing. No,

884
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: but you chopped it. I chopped it to thus giving

885
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: you the ability to eq it better. Yeah. I'm assuming

886
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: that you didn't mix that in stereo.

887
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 8: When I found a dope snare that hit hard and

888
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 8: made a drum track with it and rubbed long Red

889
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 8: against it.

890
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: It was just like, Wow, I'm gonna explain to you what.

891
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 2: Long when it hit with the long Red and your.

892
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: So what what Peter's explaining that.

893
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: So this group named Mountain Mountaine one of the few

894
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: groups that wasn't documented on the Woodstocke on the Woodstock documentary.

895
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: Long Red was from Woodstock. Yeah, it was from Woodstock,

896
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: and it's actually him.

897
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: There's a version without the breakbeat also.

898
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the studio version.

899
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: But this particular version from Woodstock that hipp the live

900
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: one that's hip hop staple, is actually him mocking the

901
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: audience for not knowing where the one was because if

902
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: you hear them, they're all clapping. They're clapp on what

903
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: he's doing. So he's like on Temple Jack, like Tempo Gang. Yeah,

904
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: on Tempo Jack, like don't mess up my group.

905
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: Yes, it took that louder, that everyone takes that louder.

906
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that you know, an average

907
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: person would have just looped the four bars from it,

908
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: whereas now the Renaissance Crew it is taking these breaks

909
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 2: and doing the early phases of what we call just flipping,

910
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: where you take the snare and the kick and you

911
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: re invented.

912
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, and I mean around the time, because

913
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 3: I remember you chopped up. This was a couple of

914
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: years later you talk about I mean we talked about

915
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: flipping records. A Z give me yours. Well, you took

916
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 3: the Many rivers. I had that original Sam Houses.

917
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, my mother sped all the time

918
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, yo, uh no, no, no, it

919
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: was no, it's it's not.

920
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: It's many the okay, yeah, it's here we go, here

921
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: we go with many.

922
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: And that was the song I heard, you know, a

923
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: million times, but I never heard it done in that way.

924
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: I used to love that song, but that's how I

925
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: looked it because I used to be like I used

926
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: to listen to this on tape.

927
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, cassette, slow damn. It has totally made it something new,

928
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: million people bracing shut them down as the burger. But

929
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, you you you have the perfect chopped onion.

930
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 2: And tomatoes on that joint. But the thing is that

931
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: a song like h and I've Been Good to You

932
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: by the Isley Bus.

933
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: Now, when you take this.

934
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: It's not quantized, all right, you know what you gotta be.

935
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: You gotta be my Negro translator.

936
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: With quantized meaning that it's not imperfect. No, it's not. No,

937
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: I didn't loop it.

938
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: I actually chopped a half a bar each of it.

939
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: If you telling me that you made this in ten minutes,

940
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: this means you are working at the.

941
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: Yes speed lightning. Because I had to go, so, you know,

942
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: I had to be out, so I had to get

943
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: you know, I was at that time it being late

944
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 2: in the music business was like a big deal, so

945
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: you know, I was just trying to and then I'm

946
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: still late, but you know, I mean I had a

947
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: hot joint with me, so that's why I was like,

948
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: So what.

949
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: Was the look on their face? Who? Who did you

950
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: play it for?

951
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: When you When I got it, Jamie stopped, you know

952
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: in the studio with him and him bugging out and saying, Yo,

953
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: we got something here. We're gonna play around with these sounds.

954
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: And did it take long to line up? Like?

955
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 8: Nah, it probably took a little while, but you know,

956
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 8: once I got once I had the beat in the baseline,

957
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 8: everything else was like.

958
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: So what was Chuck's reaction when he heard it?

959
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: I wish I could have seen his face, but I

960
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: wasn't around either. There the two best public end me

961
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: stories I ever heard both came from Buster Rhymes.

962
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: Yeah Buster nose.

963
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: Buster has a story of being like Buster and Charlie

964
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: Brown and Dinko used to always be at their studio.

965
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: Chuck named them named rhyme football player right so after.

966
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: High school, like leaders of the New School used to

967
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: always just hang at the studio and it was there

968
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: for reminisce.

969
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 8: Really yeah, Charlie Brown was in the mix when when

970
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 8: out first listened down to the first listen.

971
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: Down really was done. Charlie was there well crying and

972
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: I was. I was saying that Buster told me that

973
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: he's like a hip hop song. Never made him cry

974
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 2: real tears until the moment where after school they heard

975
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: Rebel without a pause, and he says, but man, when

976
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: I heard shut him down like you like, I went

977
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: out my mind because.

978
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 8: It was just it was just unheard of Genesis album.

979
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 8: He's like, I want to do that again. Beat Come on, man,

980
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 8: you know I busted talk. I can't do one.

981
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: Thing I wanted to ask you in terms of like

982
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: with the remixes, because it's very different now, you know,

983
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: with you got computers.

984
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: You just lining things up. How were you able to

985
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: get the vocals to sync with the track?

986
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 8: That was Jamie's job. But I was good because I'd

987
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 8: be like, look, man, make him ride that beat. This

988
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 8: is a new remixed joint. I want, you know, I

989
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 8: wanted to sound totally different from the original, and Jamie

990
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 8: know it was it was sympty and all that stuff,

991
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 8: So you have to vocal from the real Yeah. And

992
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 8: Jamie was nice because he's the splice so anything that

993
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 8: he would time wise, he would splice tape. And then

994
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 8: it was crazy with him. Man, Wow, I think about

995
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 8: the way we used to work and it was just like, wow,

996
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 8: all that's cut off. It's the work today is much easier,

997
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 8: it is faster. We were doing it like the hard way,

998
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 8: the long way.

999
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: So when when this comes out, then suddenly, what's what's

1000
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: Pete Rock's life like after this?

1001
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: Was? Nah?

1002
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, it's just my life just went from

1003
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: being you know, paperboy delivering papers in my hood, from

1004
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: flipping steaks in the mall to hanging with my cousin,

1005
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: going to.

1006
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 8: The studio, hanging out with have you know, taking you know,

1007
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 8: acting like a little sponge around. Howie t and Teddy

1008
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 8: Riley and Molly and made my mind up and say, yeah,

1009
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 8: this is what I want to do.

1010
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: From that, just from that experience, I was, you know.

1011
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: Crib Yeah was it like watch to him because he's

1012
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: another clean beat maker, I know, clean his ships.

1013
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 8: Still he'll take a record like I never heard impeach

1014
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 8: sounds so clean.

1015
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he took it.

1016
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 3: We did it on how We t was a producer,

1017
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: uh special special or he chopped up on specially second

1018
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 3: album You Wish you could Impeach over the Superman.

1019
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: My favorite, my favorite joint. Do you remember that special?

1020
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: I wish you could? I wish you would. I play

1021
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: that all the time.

1022
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 9: Man.

1023
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, how he t was amazing, like it was him

1024
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 8: and Molly for me, you know, coming up of course

1025
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 8: Rick Ruban and you know I listened to like Curtis

1026
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 8: blowing the live musician.

1027
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: Give me give me your give me If you can't, fine,

1028
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: I'll say three for now. What sessions were you there

1029
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: to witness that were historic?

1030
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: Teddy, give me give me your.

1031
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: Five most historical? Like, yeah, I'm working on this song

1032
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: and then it's it's a game Teddy, Riley, Molly mal

1033
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: but wait what I mean?

1034
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 12: What song.

1035
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 8: H new jack swing you know, uh yeah, I was.

1036
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 8: He was always with Teddy Rally. They used to hang

1037
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 8: out a lot, like you know what I'm saying. So

1038
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 8: I used to be with Have and you know, be

1039
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 8: Witness and things he's doing, you know his you know,

1040
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 8: exclusive stuff.

1041
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: What did he work on? He wants you remember that group. Wait,

1042
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: that's my favorite. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about

1043
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: it all his stuff, Let's talk about amazing.

1044
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: So what what equipment was he using? Because everything, but

1045
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 2: he told me so basic, you know s the cell board,

1046
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: you know, pro tools wasn't nothing and it was straight board,

1047
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1048
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: He told me that he I don't know which Michael

1049
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: Jackson need from Dangerous that he did all the pre

1050
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: It was either remember the time or no, no, no she did.

1051
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: She's driving me wild. He says, I did it in a.

1052
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: Project kitchen, like he had a setup and he's like

1053
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: he kept his old apartment set up that he used

1054
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: for the Guy album and did Yeah and the Kid

1055
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: Sweat stuff and he did all most of Michael Jackson's

1056
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: Dangerous inside of his project kitchen.

1057
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: With a producer.

1058
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 8: It's about that that comfortability spot, like if you're comfortable.

1059
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: It can happen anyway, Bro, you know what I'm saying.

1060
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: A hit record can happen anyway.

1061
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: So you do majority of production, Like do you do

1062
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: it in this actual studio? You drop it off?

1063
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 5: No?

1064
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 8: I always do beats at home first, and then I

1065
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 8: go in and you know, and then when when I'm

1066
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 8: in this the studio like this and I'm laying the

1067
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 8: beat down, then we're playing around with it and I'm

1068
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 8: playing with records, and then maybe I'll add some some

1069
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 8: more stuff that matches with it, you know what I'm saying.

1070
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: So all right, well you said Teddy Rowley? What else? What?

1071
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: What other historical songs were there to see?

1072
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: I mean I was around Molly a lot, so you

1073
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: know all I have stuff, all of some some cane stuff,

1074
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: some biz stuff.

1075
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: I saw was alb Was he hanging right out? I'll

1076
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: be sure you know what I'm saying.

1077
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: Wow, I was gonna say, what is your obsession with

1078
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: just rhyming with biz man? You've made helf of that

1079
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: ship so many times.

1080
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: I think that record just like, how did the publisher?

1081
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 8: I know it's a James Brown sample, but it just

1082
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 8: reminded me of James Brown, even with Kane and Biz

1083
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 8: on this ship, right, No, I knew you didn't use

1084
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 8: it for the James Brown the voice, but the voices

1085
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 8: their voices.

1086
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: But like all of main Ingreedy, it was man like,

1087
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: did you have to cut a special deal?

1088
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: Check it out? I think so.

1089
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think Molly won a case with Warner

1090
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 8: or something like that. And you know he owns all

1091
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 8: this stuff now, so he does yeah, hell yeah.

1092
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow. That from what I understand.

1093
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you about in terms of, you know,

1094
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: we talked about the first ep al sold out. How

1095
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: exactly did you and cl get signed to a lecture

1096
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: and how did y'all first?

1097
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: How y'all? Yeah, in high school.

1098
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: In high school, you know, a couple of neighborhood guys

1099
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, introduced me to him.

1100
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: He had a distinctive voice.

1101
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 8: He didn't sound like nobody I've ever heard, so I

1102
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 8: thought it would be good to do some stuff on him.

1103
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 8: When I heard him rap, I was like, okay, he

1104
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 8: can he can ride a beat. Let's list.

1105
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: We were doing basement that.

1106
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: It was like we got like forty or fifty of them,

1107
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And we made a song

1108
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: off of dancing the drummers beat.

1109
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: You know. Oh wow, really that was your first demo? Yep, yep.

1110
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: Something of our first demos.

1111
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 8: We was taking common stuff and then that's when I

1112
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 8: started getting raw with the beats and using like stuff

1113
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 8: that people in the work using. We were making demos

1114
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 8: and we got signed off of my basement demos off

1115
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 8: off of four track. Yeah, do you still have the

1116
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 8: stuff or yeah, I have?

1117
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: I have?

1118
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 8: Well, they had they put out a somebody I don't know,

1119
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 8: I must have lost the tape or something like that,

1120
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 8: like put it out. They put it out, and there's

1121
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 8: some stuff on there. I got it though, I got

1122
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 8: I got a lot of this stuff.

1123
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

1124
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 9: Did y'all have like a full commitment?

1125
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 5: Like when y'all got together, were y'all like, Okay, we're

1126
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 5: gonna make a few records and then we're going like.

1127
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: We did demos first.

1128
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 8: And then at the time, I was DJing on the

1129
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 8: radio with Marley, so I would test it out and

1130
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 8: play it on the radio.

1131
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and people will respond And

1132
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: you know when were you DJing with Marley on eighty seven,

1133
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: eighty eight, eighty nine, also on there for like three

1134
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: years straight. BLS with Clark and then we rotated, like

1135
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: me and Clark Camp. First it was just me the

1136
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: whole weekend. Then it was me Clark Camp and then

1137
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: you know, once in a while he'll pull in a

1138
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: DJ from somewhere. But back then it was great because

1139
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, kidding played had they hot new stuff out

1140
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: back then. You know, Mike Tyson was in his prime.

1141
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: They was all coming up there to visit the station

1142
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: to do interviews. Oh wow, I was just a little

1143
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: young kid there. Like it took me watching straight out

1144
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: of Compton to realize that some of the most successful

1145
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 2: hip hop producers had to cut their teeth DJ in first.

1146
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: My thing was like reverse. My situation was reverse. But

1147
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: I never considered myself like jumping in the pool of Yo,

1148
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: when I play this beat the night club, like the

1149
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: nightclub that comes from, You're gonna clean your house real

1150
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: good to this root. But like would for you being

1151
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: in DJing, would audience reaction or would you ever have

1152
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: a fear of like this might not work on them?

1153
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: Or like it's who do you imagine when you make

1154
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: a beat?

1155
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: Who are you imagining? Yo? They're going to go crazy

1156
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: when to hear this, What's what's the vision in your

1157
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: mind where you're.

1158
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: Like, I'm it's the feeling that I just get overjoyed,

1159
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's a goosebump feeling. Yeah,

1160
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: like and I want to, you know, call an artist.

1161
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: Yo yo yo, listen to what you know? Like the

1162
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: world is yours. It happened when he came over and

1163
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: I just went through a couple of discs. I had

1164
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: that beat made already, you know what I'm saying. I

1165
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: went through a couple of discs and I popped that

1166
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: one in first and I didn't play no more beats

1167
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: after that.

1168
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: That was the one that was it? Did you I

1169
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: mean working on imatic? Did you.

1170
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: Since already that okay, this might be something special? Or

1171
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: was it just like after he heard it and liked it,

1172
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: and then after I heard what he wanted me to

1173
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: sing on it, so.

1174
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: They came afterwards.

1175
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: You didn't have the rhymes? Man, I was like, yeah,

1176
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: that's when.

1177
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Like Tip and large F and

1178
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: everybody else was working on it too.

1179
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, you all know you Primo Tip, you know, but

1180
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 8: it's like a battle at the time. I think in

1181
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 8: everybody else's mind. I think that's what was going on.

1182
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 8: It was all competing, and I think when Primo heard

1183
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 8: the world is yours, he went back, you know what

1184
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 8: I mean? But you know Tip only had one love,

1185
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 8: you know, the one love joint, and l e S

1186
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 8: had one joint.

1187
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: I have one joint and Premon had three.

1188
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So that that environment, I mean, were you guys

1189
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: record shopping on the.

1190
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, we used to walk in on each other digging.

1191
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 8: One time, there's this Jazz Records, you know jazz. You

1192
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 8: would never know where this record store is. His record store,

1193
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 8: next to Jive Records. The label Oh wow, it looks

1194
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 8: like a mechanic building. There's nothing on it that says

1195
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 8: it's a record store. So it's upstairs, upstairs like Japan.

1196
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: They have all the great jazz records in there, like Verdictas.

1197
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: And Tip is in there on the ground and you know,

1198
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: going through records, put his glasses on and he's you know,

1199
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: on the floor. I'm like, okay, this is about to

1200
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: get serious with your boy, because I see how heart

1201
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: he's going, so I gotta go even harder.

1202
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: So is it a breathless race to the finish?

1203
01:03:59,640 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 9: Like?

1204
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: Okay?

1205
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: Now when I record shop, let's say late later in

1206
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: Man ninety nine, two thousand, two thousand and one. I

1207
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: would meet a few dealers that would be like Pete

1208
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: bought this, you would buy the entire stock reality only

1209
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 2: only you, You and Bizmarck you only cats. I know,

1210
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: or at least heard, like the urban legend is that

1211
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: you will buy out an entire section of record so that.

1212
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: No one else did well.

1213
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: I also spent the night in the hotel where the

1214
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 2: convention would be, and I would have a room upstairs

1215
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: and just come downstairs at seven o'clock am.

1216
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: They would.

1217
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 8: One time I was brought I was finished with digging,

1218
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 8: and I was, you know, carrying boxes to the car

1219
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 8: to come back in bring them, and Tipples is looking

1220
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 8: at me like it looked like he just wanted to

1221
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 8: turn around and go home. Okay, So here's a question.

1222
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 6: I've heard a lot of people say that they don't

1223
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 6: want to see you in a record shown now they

1224
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 6: know there's nothing left.

1225
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: Is there anybody that you don't want to come behind?

1226
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: Of course he.

1227
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: Wants no one to come by, of course, man, I'm saying,

1228
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 2: is there anybody that you don't want to come to

1229
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 2: the store for you? Premier?

1230
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: I remember one time I walked up.

1231
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 8: Okay, same thing on twenty it's just another record store,

1232
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 8: jazz on twenty seventh Street.

1233
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 2: Would know it's in the building, Primos in there. I

1234
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: walk up in there thinking I'm I got something all

1235
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: to myself and Primos in there getting all the great

1236
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: you know all that gang star ship. You know, that's

1237
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: what that jazz store was. Dope, But did you know

1238
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 2: what you were looking for? Was it just based on like.

1239
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: But cover?

1240
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: We used to just take chances, take chances. The stars

1241
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 2: still there, see somefros and some.

1242
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: Wait, it's still there. The one he's talking about is

1243
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: still there? Is that the way you told me about words? Yeah,

1244
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: was talking about it on the show, Oh, sexualize and videotape.

1245
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: What's his name? The actor the Blacklist? What's his name? Vader?

1246
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: Zz Market? I think it's called like jazz market. Yeah,

1247
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: jazz Market. That's it. All of us is actually going.

1248
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: So wait in your job records, that's near Battery Studios.

1249
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: Yep, it was right next door, dude, I recorded my

1250
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: first I've never heard execute floor.

1251
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 11: It's like an office building. It sounds like the eighth floor,

1252
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 11: like you don't even know what to restaurant to the door.

1253
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: To get to the door.

1254
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 10: But don't you think somebody's secretly keeping it from you

1255
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 10: at this point?

1256
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 9: You know what I mean?

1257
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 5: Right?

1258
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: Two things I learned about recording at Battery Studios. One,

1259
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,959
Speaker 2: all the tales of my mine coming to forty second

1260
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: Street was like, oh, it's all Disney Like. I didn't

1261
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 2: know about the New York City version of that batteries

1262
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 2: where I did, But the rest of the roofs were

1263
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: like all the time. But I'm the one at the

1264
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: studio like working and they.

1265
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: On the forty dues. Wow, But now I'm not. I

1266
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: can't believe that the spot was here and I didn't

1267
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: know about it.

1268
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, Battery, I did the Will Smith and Jeff stuff

1269
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 8: there too, really, but the home base cod.

1270
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: Damn?

1271
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 9: Who haven't?

1272
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: No? Who you?

1273
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 9: Who do you want?

1274
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 10: Is there anybody who left?

1275
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: Who's left? We can't play who else I worked with?

1276
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean?

1277
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 10: But who is left that you haven't that you would

1278
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 10: want to?

1279
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: Is there actually fifty? Really?

1280
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: You know a couple of g unit dudes? Man, Yeah,

1281
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: I've never.

1282
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: Worked with it.

1283
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 9: What does he know that you?

1284
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: I just got a bump into him. We gotta I

1285
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 2: gotta catch him in the studio.

1286
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 8: Or something gotta have my beats on me or something.

1287
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: How does the environment of I mean the chemistry between

1288
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: you and cel.

1289
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: Right now? I mean no, no, no, no.

1290
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 2: I just meant back then when when the album comes out, because.

1291
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 8: We were young kids having fun. Man, you know what

1292
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 8: I'm saying, like we found something. You know what I'm saying,

1293
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 8: we found something.

1294
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: So so touring. But I'm saying that because Meccan the.

1295
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: Soul Brother was such a New York record, how is

1296
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: this translating across the United States? I mean, you still

1297
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 2: had the aid of MTV and you still had Rahap City,

1298
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 2: so you know, it wasn't that regional way.

1299
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 8: The soul train was still around because we did You

1300
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 8: definitely did sold train, you know what I mean.

1301
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: So I mean like if you guys are doing a show.

1302
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 2: In Mississippi or something, like, what's the reception?

1303
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: But it was pretty good? You know? Okay? You know

1304
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: what's funny that you mentioned.

1305
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a moment where it's like rocks

1306
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 2: moving then on a promotional tour? You know, promotional tours.

1307
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 2: Used to go on promotional tours for a.

1308
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 8: Month or a month and a half and you don't

1309
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 8: get paid, you know, what I'm saying, You're out there

1310
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 8: busting your ass just to get known, you know what

1311
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 8: I'm saying. And when we would perform in a place

1312
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 8: like that, people would be there, you know, show up,

1313
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.

1314
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: Like, so it wasn't a thing where it's like y'all

1315
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: at a strip club and they like this ain't.

1316
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: Luke, no y'all New York is y'all talk.

1317
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 8: But you know, what do you have for your people

1318
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 8: who are very adamant about what they like and you

1319
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 8: know they you know, they rock with what they rock with?

1320
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 8: So do you feel left out in the cold sometimes?

1321
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: Do you feel like the regional divide started? Say posts

1322
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 2: chronic posts like.

1323
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: Where did you? Where did you? What was your role?

1324
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: Or where did you lie in the I guess the

1325
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 2: East West?

1326
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, like when did that start rearing its head?

1327
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: Ninety five ninety six? Really yeah, ninety five ninety six,

1328
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: And so what did you know?

1329
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 8: Like I had my own stress going to you know

1330
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 8: me and see how breaking up and all that. Right,

1331
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 8: So then the East West thing then you know me

1332
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 8: thinking everyone in hip hop was invincible, and then motherfucker

1333
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 8: started dropping, you know what I mean? So it's like,

1334
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 8: you know, we were shocked. We were in shock, like wow,

1335
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 8: he got shot, like and he's dead, like you know

1336
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 8: what I mean?

1337
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you gotta tell me the story. Dude,

1338
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: you originally did juicy, Yeah, tell me? Can you tell

1339
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: me the juicy story?

1340
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1341
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 1: You know?

1342
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 8: All right, Puff Big, everybody came over. Puff brought Big

1343
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 8: to my house, to the basement.

1344
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 2: Wait, let me just introduce like the idea of rhyming

1345
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 2: over like it started with Pete Rock and then you

1346
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: got be puffetized.

1347
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

1348
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 2: He's rhyming over just a very know on Luke, Like,

1349
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 2: it's not when Biggie was rhyming over juicy. Pete Rock's

1350
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: the one that like yo is like it was a

1351
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 2: Pete Rock beat initially and then what pop's done this before?

1352
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 2: Because like even Mariah carries Honey was a cute tip beating.

1353
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 10: But did he should have been like y'all young boy though,

1354
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 10: right because he from Mount Vernon.

1355
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 9: But he was young.

1356
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 8: It's from bel Avenue, Mount Vernon. We we all grew

1357
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 8: up together, all right. Yeah, but but with.

1358
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 2: Him with the juice, Okay, when the juicy thing happened,

1359
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 2: he brought Big over, you know, and big came in there,

1360
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: and you know he was he stood against the wall,

1361
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: humble quiet. He was just like, yo, yo, yo, I

1362
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: just want to see I just want to see how

1363
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 2: you make a beat.

1364
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 8: Yo, Just show me how you make a beat. And

1365
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 8: then I made in the flesh, in the flesh in

1366
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 8: front of Biggie that's on the main.

1367
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 1: Can I wait, can we talk about we got to

1368
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: talk about the records? Man? Can we take wait? I

1369
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: gotta he's standing right there. You know that's the story

1370
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: I want, like what historical? Yeah, he made that in

1371
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: the flesh and what was big reactions in the flesh.

1372
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: He was loving it, you know what I'm saying.

1373
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 8: Then started picking like these beats, you know, like he

1374
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 8: was picked over ten beats.

1375
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: But we never did none, you know.

1376
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 2: All right, Wait Steve, Okay, I'm gonna explain something that

1377
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: this is what this is what's gonna blue Steve's mind?

1378
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 1: Steve, do you know my obsession with a certain symp.

1379
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 2: You I'm a defensive story now, my obsession with using

1380
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 2: Steve Miller.

1381
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: Bands space space Like Steve.

1382
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 2: Hates nothing more than that than hearing that our peggio happened. No,

1383
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 2: because I over like.

1384
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: We don't use that ship. But I it's just it constantly.

1385
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: It's at the top of a little toolbox.

1386
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's it's there, but it's only I'm

1387
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 2: gonna tell you this. The thing was is that when

1388
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: the Roots we exiled to to to.

1389
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: London and we were broke cold or it was the

1390
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: worst feeling.

1391
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 2: We only had two cassettes to hold us down for

1392
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: like most of nineteen ninety four, and that was to

1393
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 2: cal and that.

1394
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: Was the main ingredient.

1395
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: And even I mean it was some of the most

1396
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: it was the worst. I mean, every group grows through

1397
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: basic training to to soldier up and and and you know,

1398
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,520
Speaker 2: really established themselves.

1399
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: And so this was the hunger years. Everyone has those

1400
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: hunger years where you're just starving, you know, if you're

1401
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: coming going. But for me, like in the Flesh.

1402
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 2: Wasn't even a song, but it was more meditation and

1403
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 2: it was just like the way you layer Steve Miller

1404
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 2: bands space, which like that to me, I mean me

1405
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: and Twoek's only fist fighting history happened in ninety four

1406
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 2: and post fist fighters.

1407
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's funny because we used to come to

1408
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 8: the crib a lot too.

1409
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 2: We used to have fun. You know what I mean,

1410
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 2: you still have the same crib, same mouse. I've never

1411
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 2: been to the people to come what do you call it?

1412
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: What do you call it? The basement? Oh my god,

1413
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: you've been in front.

1414
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that on the floor, left on the floor when

1415
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: we first, like after shortly after I quit my job.

1416
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I went out like listen, I'm homeless niggas.

1417
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: But now we all drove to me, nine pool, all

1418
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: of us. Everybody we drove up there slip on the

1419
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 2: floor and like nine of them. Yeah, we was all

1420
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: in the crib. I think we ordered like we might

1421
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: have ate once like days, ordered pizza. But but yeah,

1422
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 2: we was in the basement. And that was what the

1423
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 2: first time I really understood just how much work he

1424
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: put in.

1425
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:28,839
Speaker 1: I mean, he has a closet.

1426
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if I was still there, and he

1427
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 3: was just like showing us bags and this. He was like, yeah,

1428
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 3: so these the main ingredient beats.

1429
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 2: This is stuff from making the Soul brother and this

1430
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 2: is stuff I'm like kidding me, and you still have

1431
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: that stuff.

1432
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: I got the world's yours on this still, that's amazing.

1433
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: How did Biggie lose this? I don't know man like

1434
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: or what's puff making his decisions for him more?

1435
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, but not when he was picking beats, you know, like.

1436
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: He's so big, he was like this is all right.

1437
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was like he wanted the Interlode beats. He

1438
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 8: wanted my Interlodes.

1439
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: So Juicy, we gotta finish off my Juicy him.

1440
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, I was playing the beat. I

1441
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 8: had the drums playing when they came downstairs, because I

1442
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 8: was gonna put something else in there.

1443
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: And he knew, you know, yeah, he knew what. He

1444
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: knew what it was.

1445
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 2: It was a hit record, you know, so the ideas

1446
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,799
Speaker 2: is churning in his head, you know what I'm saying, Like.

1447
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: So, did they at least come to you and say, yo, like,

1448
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: make the drums less? They came to me and said

1449
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: due to remix.

1450
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: The I mean, did they at least give you the

1451
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 2: option to change the drums a little bit so that you.

1452
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,480
Speaker 1: Can Yeah, yeah, that's what I did in the remix.

1453
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 2: Though, No, no, no, no, But I'm just saying that original

1454
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: I thought that what we noticed the p rock remix

1455
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,839
Speaker 2: of Juicy, that was the original idea.

1456
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 8: That's it, only the idea. But they did it. You

1457
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, Like, whoever did it? Track masters?

1458
01:16:58,360 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: Whoever?

1459
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 2: But they the idea is what you hear right on

1460
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 2: the right now, and you know they just looked it.

1461
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: So I mean, did you feel some sort of way

1462
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: like well, back then I was.

1463
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 8: I was a little crazy feeling little ways a boy people.

1464
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 8: You know, how did now that I realized that music

1465
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:18,480
Speaker 8: is universal?

1466
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It doesn't belong to nobody,

1467
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 2: but the people were sailing it.

1468
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 6: You know, I have a question about a similar situation.

1469
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: What's the story behind trip called class and jazz? Oh?

1470
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: Same thing? Stop the same thing tip?

1471
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 8: They al used to We all used to hang out

1472
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,759
Speaker 8: tip coming over heard the beat playing, you know, and went.

1473
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: So you contributed the drums to it?

1474
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 8: Or was it the same way you hear it on

1475
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 8: the Tribes album? It's how I did it. But I

1476
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 8: just had a little little stuff in it on top

1477
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 8: of it. But the same drums, same loop. You know

1478
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. I want to say you played that

1479
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 8: for us when we read your crib. I want to

1480
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 8: say you played his version of jazz? Yeah I think

1481
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 8: the disc Yeah, yes, I still have it.

1482
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 9: So Pete, have you.

1483
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 5: Like developed any relationships with any of these living legends

1484
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 5: that you like, you know changing Yeah, Like.

1485
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 2: Roy was on tour with Roy shared some some weird

1486
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 2: Polydors stories, James Brown stuff, and it was fun touring

1487
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: with him, you know what I mean?

1488
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: Wait, I know that he did he ever hook you

1489
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: up with Like.

1490
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 8: There's another Ramp album out there that he has recorded.

1491
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 8: He told me this out of his mouth that he

1492
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 8: has that never came out, Not the Ramp that tip

1493
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 8: us another album.

1494
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, who came out in seventy eight?

1495
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 8: Because that Ramp album that everybody's finding, it's not the

1496
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 8: original albums. That's a bootleg, that's not original pressing.

1497
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: But it was boot like seventies boot leg. You know

1498
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1499
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 8: Really it never he said, it never really came out.

1500
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: It never officially came.

1501
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: Out, never officially came We have it on white, We

1502
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 2: have a promo what We're.

1503
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: Finding in nineteen eighty nine, eight ninety was Oh you

1504
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: two man?

1505
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, I thought he was masterful for that fine

1506
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 2: right there.

1507
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: Wow. I never knew of that one, never knew.

1508
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 5: So did you ever get like what did Roy say

1509
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 5: about your version of searching?

1510
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 2: Oh?

1511
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 8: We used to do it in the shows. You know,

1512
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 8: he'll do the song and then I come in with

1513
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 8: the hip hop version. But I made a live version.

1514
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 8: I made it over and yeah it's pretty.

1515
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: That was my favorite joint. I remember you telling me

1516
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 2: at the crib that was Novelle playing. Yeah, yeah, that one.

1517
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1518
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 3: So the main ingredient, Well, I wanted to talk about

1519
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 3: when you were talking to about like the you know,

1520
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 3: the South and how you know we received y'all used

1521
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 3: to get love out my way.

1522
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 8: I was surprised that even y'all, that y'all you know,

1523
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 8: came from North Carolina sounding.

1524
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: Like that lot of us.

1525
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 2: I was like, what, man, we grew like some village

1526
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 2: is like the same reaction, like, oh my god, Yeah,

1527
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: we grew up.

1528
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: On y'all ship.

1529
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 3: And so like when Mecca and the Soul brother came out,

1530
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 3: I remember that was the record we would play like

1531
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 3: after practice, you know, during the summer, like after practice,

1532
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 3: we'd be you know, after football practice, and we'd.

1533
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: Just be running it.

1534
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 3: And so then a couple of years later, because I

1535
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 3: remember y'all had the this was the source I used

1536
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 3: to have the ads and it was like, guess who's

1537
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: back in the house.

1538
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, guess back in the house.

1539
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 3: Like the next episode, the next issue be Guess Who's

1540
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: back in the house. It would get bigger and then

1541
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 3: like the next issue, it would be the album cover.

1542
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: It was y'all when Maine Ingredients set me up for

1543
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg. Wait, Wait wait, wait are you going with this?

1544
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 2: No?

1545
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 3: That was that was like sourced with that record. Man,

1546
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 3: I just remember buying it and I Gotta love. When

1547
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 3: I first heard Got Love, and I even told you

1548
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 3: before when I first heard I Got Love, I was like, okay, cool.

1549
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: That was like I was like, I'm shut that the

1550
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 2: sing No, that's funny because that's favorite they wanted.

1551
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: I wasn't with that as the single. No, I wasn't

1552
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, I was just like, okay. It was

1553
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: just one of them joints that I was like.

1554
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 8: But they went crazy over it, and the manager Tuesday,

1555
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 8: the management, the management, they wanted that out, you know,

1556
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 8: was it? I was aiming for something else? I forgot

1557
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 8: what song? What did I want?

1558
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: First? Was it there?

1559
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: I know that some one of them radio friendly ones, and.

1560
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 3: But the thing I noticed with that record was that

1561
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 3: the production just got oh, I mean the remixes, but

1562
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 3: the production you were one of the first producers.

1563
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: I remember that.

1564
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 2: I thought arranged hip hop songs like a songwriter.

1565
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: Would, like you have intro, bridges, break down, you know

1566
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was taught that.

1567
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 8: By my cousin Have and Eddie f Eddie f used

1568
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 8: the program, you know, bridges and ship, you know, and

1569
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 8: then also Marley.

1570
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: I picked that up from Marley to the Bridge thing. Yeah,

1571
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 1: that record.

1572
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, the main Ingredient was the one for me where

1573
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 3: I was just like, yo, like hip hop gets no

1574
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 3: better than this.

1575
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the one. And with the innerludes, I mean,

1576
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: talk to us about.

1577
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 2: It, like how creating a record, like how do you

1578
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 2: what was on your mind when you were both Mecca

1579
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: and soul Brother and the main ingredient and the interludes,

1580
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:53,719
Speaker 2: and what were you imagining like with making this record,

1581
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 2: like showing us your world or your record collection, being

1582
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: a part of like a superhero.

1583
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 8: Team like the Avengers collect comic books, so you know, yeah,

1584
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 8: I was on some comic book ship, you know what

1585
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 8: I'm saying with them beats, you know, so I took

1586
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 8: it on. I took on that that theme, you know, all.

1587
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: Right, Now, how were you able to pull that off?

1588
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: On the business to.

1589
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 8: Uh, you know, after they was digging the album and

1590
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 8: they felt the music sounded really good. I think everybody

1591
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 8: was on some this has to just come out, you

1592
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying.

1593
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: People got ahead.

1594
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,839
Speaker 8: It wasn't like, you know, we had to clear some samples,

1595
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 8: you know, we had to meant just interludes was just ship.

1596
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 8: I was just like on some whatever.

1597
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to somebody coming knocking like a.

1598
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 8: People wanted them in The Lose Man.

1599
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 2: They wanted them in what was your nightmare story? With

1600
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: losing clearances? Not many because they were pretty short, you

1601
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1602
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 8: So I don't know if musicians don't yeah, nobody catch nobody.

1603
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 8: I don't think nobody that I'm sampling from is really

1604
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 8: listening like that.

1605
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 2: But it's weird because everyone has like all right with

1606
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 2: the daylight situation. I mean, the Turtles weren't listening, but

1607
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: the Turtles was even with me and Doctor Dre like

1608
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,959
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, that's my parents. I never sampled

1609
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 2: that never.

1610
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 8: They have some rare phone ky albums on Strawberry Records.

1611
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 8: Oh my god, yeah amazing. I had no clue.

1612
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have some joint joint and that's

1613
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,799
Speaker 2: when I hit you on Twitter and was like yo, man, oh.

1614
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 9: So they don't get a check for that?

1615
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 1: No, you have? You have you know what's weird? Yeah,

1616
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: I got it.

1617
01:24:55,720 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 2: Okay, it's kind of a weird situation, uh with uh

1618
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 2: Philly his own Larry Maggott, prior of the ticket Master

1619
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 2: uh Empire, and who used to my dad built this empire.

1620
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: He used to manage my father.

1621
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: Uh, and well he was my father's agent for college gigs.

1622
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,799
Speaker 2: So it was long after Andrews and the Heart's finished

1623
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: and he was doing uh like college gigs around the

1624
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: sixties and whatnot.

1625
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: Like Larry Maggott was his agent.

1626
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,879
Speaker 2: And through that college money, that's how Larry Maggott started

1627
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 2: ticket Master.

1628
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: Of which, in some strange sort of events with.

1629
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 2: Julius Caesar, uh, the Ticketmaster Empire sort of conspired against

1630
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 2: him and they started Live Nation and kind of kicked him.

1631
01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 9: So he got his pay back.

1632
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 2: If you, if you saw anenturage, would be like if

1633
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: Ari Gold had like twelve proteges and and and in

1634
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 2: turns working for him.

1635
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: He talked them to the tricks of the trade and

1636
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: they all started their own company.

1637
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they yeah, like you guys start a

1638
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 2: radio empire and then I'm out the cold.

1639
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: Like welcome to Spring. True. Yeah, that's yeah, that's wow.

1640
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: That's crazy man. So yeah, all right, So when when

1641
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: the group breaks up.

1642
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 2: In ninety four ninety four after so, I mean, were

1643
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: you having also electric thing now that I think about it, well, major,

1644
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 2: major labeled thing, you know, pitting us against each other

1645
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 2: when something new comes, it comes into play.

1646
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: What were they? What would they control?

1647
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 2: When Sylvia tells you, you know you got to make

1648
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: remixes like cough. Daddy's talking to me like this, and

1649
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm like you, I'm like, I got nothing against that's

1650
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 2: my guy, you know what I mean? But you know,

1651
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 2: people say things and you just be looking at him like, yeah,

1652
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 2: but tell the truth, Pete. You got you got some

1653
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 2: beats where you put the little triangle in there.

1654
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 8: You know what I used to I used to make

1655
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 8: wag beats for fun because I never know who's gonna

1656
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 8: like it, you know what I'm saying.

1657
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: So, so was the Fluke beat? Was there a Fluke

1658
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: beat right here? And whatever? People like, yo, I want

1659
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: this ship. I to be like you sure? You know what? Man?

1660
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 2: I always wanted to ask you this. I was always curious,

1661
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 2: and this was my theory.

1662
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 3: I always thought that your work on He Is Nothing

1663
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 3: but Love was your answer to like puff and like that.

1664
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 3: Like that was to me, that just sounded like, but

1665
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 3: I'm showing them that you could do that commercial stuff

1666
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 3: if you wanted to.

1667
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: That's weird.

1668
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 8: Got me waiting switch you. Those were like the radio

1669
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 8: I have wanted that. He knew I could do that,

1670
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 8: so he was like, you know what, he you know,

1671
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 8: I want you to go Hey. He's always the one

1672
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 8: to tell me, don't be afraid.

1673
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: To go left. Mm hmm when this case goes right.

1674
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 8: That's how I made most of them beats, because he

1675
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,759
Speaker 8: would say that you know what I'm saying.

1676
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 2: Well, I only mentioned blue Funk because like, I don't

1677
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 2: know who was on the payroll, but for Soul training

1678
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 2: to use blue funk uh and black coffee mm hmm.

1679
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 2: For the Soul Train line, like when you saw the train, Yeah,

1680
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: I was like five, six, seven, eight nine times to

1681
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 2: the Soul Train line, which I.

1682
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 8: Was like yeah, and then being up in there, it's

1683
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,759
Speaker 8: like wow, I thought the Soul train was bigger, bigger

1684
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 8: than small. We see the same dances, that same Asian.

1685
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: Girl that she was there shout out to She's not

1686
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: for nothing.

1687
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 5: But you know, I know Heavy left like a big

1688
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 5: void in most of our lives. And we can say

1689
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 5: how that boil was for you in your everyday process

1690
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 5: of you being you, Like, what kind of void was

1691
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 5: that for you?

1692
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 8: Come on, man, that even you know, I get choked

1693
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 8: up talking about it. But we shared everything together, you know,

1694
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 8: off of music, Like you know, the music came later.

1695
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 8: You know, that was my family, you know what I'm saying.

1696
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 8: And we grew up from three years old, so that

1697
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 8: just took half of me away when he passed. Yeah,

1698
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 8: you ain't have man, y'all gave me my career, I

1699
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 8: could say, basically, you know help you know it was

1700
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 8: because of him. Yeah, y'all were definitely you know when

1701
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 8: we were coming up starting Little Brother, I remember one

1702
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,799
Speaker 8: of the things that you know, you kind of encouraged

1703
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 8: us and was like doing the singing hooks and stuff

1704
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 8: because at the time, in quote unquote underground hip hop,

1705
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 8: you weren't really hearing a lot of that was rappity rappity,

1706
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 8: rapity rap.

1707
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 2: Heavy D was a rapper, but we always played around

1708
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 2: off the records singing and then next thing you know

1709
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: he wants he's wanting to do this on records.

1710
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 8: Girls and girls they love me, you know that, and

1711
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 8: then we would just do you know, stuff for him record.

1712
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's dope. Yeah.

1713
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 2: He was my mother like loved every day, Like she

1714
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 2: was one of the only rappers everybody's mama loved seriously.

1715
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 9: And then he was one of.

1716
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 5: The only that translated into the commercial world, like when

1717
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 5: he started acting.

1718
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 10: And doing No Life and Living Single.

1719
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 2: Get me started, yo, Martin, you know, Living Single?

1720
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: He was all the black on the rock.

1721
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 2: He appeared on a lot of stuff, you know what

1722
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying, even in New Jersey Drive moviey.

1723
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: New Jersey and Who's the Man with Everybody? Who Man?

1724
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 8: Me and cl were the robbers were everything. Yeah, were

1725
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 8: sticking up the joint. Yeah, that's what I said. The

1726
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 8: mask we got the mask you can't see our faces

1727
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 8: were mad about that. It was like, wow, we can't

1728
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 8: be seen.

1729
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 9: You still get a check with that though?

1730
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: Right? How many times did they show it? The checks

1731
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: are finished? Yeah?

1732
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 3: What was peat was about the period so after after

1733
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 3: U n c L broke up, and so the period

1734
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 3: where you were working on that's my joint.

1735
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh my god, extra professional man. Uh Soul

1736
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 2: Brother records.

1737
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 3: That's so you were doing this iron I what happened

1738
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 3: with those records? Every Man is still it was Matt Bootleg.

1739
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 2: It was never Why didn't officially Electra had Electra had

1740
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 2: all that?

1741
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: They had iron and another album now maybe he put

1742
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 1: it out.

1743
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, And but when Sylvia came in to take over

1744
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,759
Speaker 8: from Bob kraz now who was the president of Electra,

1745
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 8: who set me up to all that stuff to come out.

1746
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 8: It was all gonna come out under Electra. Then she

1747
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 8: came in and just you know, debedit it.

1748
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: Man. So what was your relationship like with Sylvia run Um?

1749
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 2: Shaky like that?

1750
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 8: I just felt I just felt like she didn't understand

1751
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 8: who we were, you know what I'm saying.

1752
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 2: Even with the success of Troy and it.

1753
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,719
Speaker 8: Was like nineteen ninety five ninety six, they were trying

1754
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,799
Speaker 8: to do some changing, some game change and stuff.

1755
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 2: All right, So what what is going through your mind

1756
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 2: with now this? This is the perfect plot to things

1757
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 2: fall apart where no, you you have a warrior, someone

1758
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 2: very skilled in a particular craft, who goes off the

1759
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 2: war and then come back to his homeland to see

1760
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 2: that the environment has changed, and you know it's colonization

1761
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 2: and all those things that took it. So what is

1762
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: your response, because actually, if I've recalled correctly the night,

1763
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 2: I believe the night. So there was a night that

1764
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 2: when we were working the.

1765
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 1: Routes were working on.

1766
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 2: On oh things fall apart of Detroit. Pete was also

1767
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 2: I think was that the first night you met Dyla

1768
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 2: when you came to the basement. Yes, and I stayed there. Yo,

1769
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 2: the most magical night ever because Pete is literally remaking

1770
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 2: like beats over and we're just standing there like kids

1771
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:47,640
Speaker 2: in this candy store.

1772
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, I was there.

1773
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: And so the thing is, the thing is that I

1774
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 2: was shocked that by that point you said like I

1775
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 2: don't use the three thousand, and I was shocked.

1776
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, you're still using the

1777
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: twelve hundred.

1778
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:07,440
Speaker 2: And I know, like your tools are your tools, but

1779
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:11,720
Speaker 2: how do you with technology moving at the speed of

1780
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 2: sound the way it is now.

1781
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 8: I used the twelve all the way up until two

1782
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 8: thousand and I know, and that's when I started doing

1783
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 8: the forty five thing.

1784
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, when we came to see you in two

1785
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,719
Speaker 2: I think that was when you had just started using

1786
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 2: three thousand.

1787
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, three thousand, and you finally graduated. Yeah, I'm gonna

1788
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: tell you.

1789
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 8: I'm on the two thousand Excel and it feels like

1790
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 8: an upgradeed SB twelve hundred. So I feel like I

1791
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 8: don't need nothing else.

1792
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 1: Justified. Yo, James Poyser, I won't even me and talk

1793
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: on Twitter.

1794
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 2: I won't even disrespect him. But I'm on a middle finger. Gee,

1795
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 2: James poison. James Poyser teaches me. He calls me like

1796
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 2: a played out ninety years because I can't let my

1797
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 2: two thousand Xcel go.

1798
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: It feels so good. I can't. Yeah, I can't let

1799
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 1: it go, like I still use it to this day.

1800
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 1: That's right and using it. He yeah, he makes me

1801
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:17,919
Speaker 1: feel horrible for this, but I'm saying for you.

1802
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 8: I use a RAN two sometimes mess with the renaissance?

1803
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 8: Really so does it?

1804
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 1: It energy? It's cool. I like it.

1805
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 8: It does things, it gives you unlimited but it's a

1806
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 8: little bit more to it than my thing is simple

1807
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 8: to the point. If I know what to do, it's done.

1808
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 8: I know that machine really so so.

1809
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: But with now, like, are you able to use able

1810
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: to use modern?

1811
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 8: I have able to and I've used it on New

1812
01:35:53,439 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 8: York's Finest. Okay, do I have just regular, you know,

1813
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 8: nothing crazy pro tools? I had the Pro Tools seven,

1814
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 8: then graduated from that to the ten, right, you know,

1815
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 8: to do extra more.

1816
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 2: Well, I know it's hard leaving your comfort zone because

1817
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 2: I know that when Stroe Elliott was telling me, it

1818
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 2: was so hard for him to like, there's there's this

1819
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 2: there's a slew cats right now, like tall black guy

1820
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: Stroe Elliott, Joe Roun Bombay, when Joe Ron Bombay is

1821
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 2: from Canada, and these cats are I mean, they're making

1822
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 2: incredible beats, and but they're using some of the most

1823
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 2: primitive Like I remember laughing at ninth when he showed me.

1824
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's what I didn't know either. Yeah,

1825
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: but what what these new cats are using as like

1826
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 2: even a step crazier than fruity loops, was like so basic,

1827
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 2: And they were telling me like, well, this is how

1828
01:36:58,479 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 2: we first Like they were using like.

1829
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 1: So acid ad like.

1830
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 2: Real, it's still very basic, but making miracles out this ship.

1831
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 2: And Sereue Elliott told me like he finally had to

1832
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 2: physically force himself out of using like a lot of

1833
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 2: that the primitive stuff so that he could, you know,

1834
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 2: really jump in the game of beat making? Man, So

1835
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 2: is that I mean, is that a personal fear? Because

1836
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 2: to hear anyone else say it, it's like, oh man,

1837
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,640
Speaker 2: it's easy, like once you once you do it, you

1838
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 2: won't But how hard is it to leave your your

1839
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 2: tools of the trade? And oh man, it's hard.

1840
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 8: It's hard to because you mean, I mean, I made

1841
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 8: on my hips off that twelve hundred and it wasn't hard.

1842
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 8: It wasn't easy for me to give that up. But

1843
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 8: then when I started playing with the two thousand, I

1844
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,679
Speaker 8: started forgetting about this. Do you still use the twelve hundred?

1845
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 8: It was the last time used beats on it. I

1846
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 8: still have a lot of beat with that machine, so

1847
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 8: I don't. I haven't used it lately. Oh yeah, I

1848
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 8: did on Mac Wild's album, first album, Oh Wow, What

1849
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 8: did you do?

1850
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: On it?

1851
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 8: I did song called I Think so what? He named

1852
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 8: it love and then another one called him duck Sauce.

1853
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 2: And those beats were done on the on the spow.

1854
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 8: Duck Sauce, wasn't the other one one? Impress it all straight?

1855
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 8: Sp Salim Salam laid that down for me. Okay, Yeah,

1856
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 8: I remember.

1857
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 2: When you you were working on the two thousand and

1858
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,839
Speaker 2: the thing I thought was so dope your bass lines?

1859
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:36,719
Speaker 1: How is that?

1860
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 2: Because I mean, you're like one of my favorite bass.

1861
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: Players that don't play a bass.

1862
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 2: Humming, humming, humming in my head listening, you know, just

1863
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, that's just I think that became a natural

1864
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 2: thing because that was my thing. I used to want

1865
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,640
Speaker 2: to practice, you know, making bass lines. You know what

1866
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1867
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 8: And famala James Brown Records, I heard the Barrier Records,

1868
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 8: to Isaac Records, all the jazz records. I used to

1869
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 8: hum Baseline.

1870
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: I always said that.

1871
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 2: If one particular musician, if you were personified, or if

1872
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 2: you were representing a musician, you were probably I'd say

1873
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 2: you would be Marshall Jones.

1874
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you read.

1875
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 2: I had an hour conversation with Marshall Jones and the

1876
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 2: look of shot on his face when I'm trying to

1877
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 2: explain to him how vital him specifically, how vital he

1878
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 2: was to renaissance hip hop culture, and he's thinking like, oh,

1879
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 2: skin tight, none of I'm like, no, Marshall Jones, you

1880
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 2: don't get it, like and I'm breaking down, like you know,

1881
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,719
Speaker 2: like like what's going on, like you cover what's going

1882
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 2: on and paint all that stuff and players balling. It

1883
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 2: took like it took ten minutes for it really to

1884
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 2: sink in that that Westbound version of Ohio Players was.

1885
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 1: Valuable to us. Now, oh my goodness. He couldn't he

1886
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 1: couldn't understand that. But the longest man.

1887
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 2: But eventually, like they have unreleased, yeah, from seventy three.

1888
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, I would love nothing better.

1889
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 2: Sent me, I sent he sent me some files and

1890
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 2: I was listening to that shit, losing my mind, like god,

1891
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 2: some record and it sounds.

1892
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 1: Just like boo.

1893
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 2: What like it's on that vibe. It's on that vibe.

1894
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 2: It's not that same you know base yeah yeah.

1895
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, But just like next next to James Damison in Motown,

1896
01:40:55,840 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 1: like Marshall Jones is. I mean, it's baselines are just believable. Man.

1897
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:08,680
Speaker 1: It's it's not Flashy's and that's it. You know what.

1898
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm trying to explain to the cats. It's like the

1899
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:17,639
Speaker 2: less you do, the more timeless it is. So Pete, Yeah,

1900
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 2: all right, we've done a lot about yesterday. Now talk

1901
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 2: about your what are you up to you late?

1902
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 1: Well?

1903
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 8: I mixed the new Locks record for the album Yesterday

1904
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 8: for the new album The Styles Pete Jadakiss and Chiclut

1905
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 8: shout out to them. And then I got this project

1906
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 8: with my man smoked this over there smokes.

1907
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 1: Just how you doing? Brother?

1908
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 2: He's like, Man, I'm so fucking hungry, man.

1909
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 9: Chicken sandwiches.

1910
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 10: Don't be hungry.

1911
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 13: No, no, no, I'm chilling. I'm cool.

1912
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 1: Nah.

1913
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 2: Now that's my dude right there?

1914
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 1: My god?

1915
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 2: You like, who are you?

1916
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 8: But we got this album that's really really dope, and

1917
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 8: it's long time come and this long time that we

1918
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 8: haven't heard something like this, you know, you know, representing

1919
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 8: hip hop and live you know, playing you know, mixed

1920
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 8: with you know, funk.

1921
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 1: So what do you what do you feel.

1922
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 2: The standard of excellence is now for twenty sixteen as

1923
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:22,679
Speaker 2: far as like, is it still for you like a break.

1924
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:24,640
Speaker 1: Be that moves you, the loop that moves you? Or

1925
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: like are you now thinking of a generational gap thing?

1926
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 8: And yeah, I'm thinking about the generational gap thing because

1927
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 8: I feel like what.

1928
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 2: Part of you is like I'm gonna take you all

1929
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 2: to me, and what part of you is like because

1930
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:39,560
Speaker 2: have you heard a premiere's remix of Timmy Timmy Turner.

1931
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:45,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, Timmy, Timmy turn and I uh, you know, man,

1932
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:51,559
Speaker 8: let me see what could I say from from you know,

1933
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 8: from I know you've.

1934
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 2: Had any words with millennials before online or whatever. Ye, no,

1935
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 2: I mean you know, I'm those are real words and

1936
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 2: real thoughts like I too would like to see us

1937
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 2: do better. But I mean part of me is wondering, like,

1938
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 2: are we now our parents?

1939
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 8: And yeah, yeah, absolutely, now we're the grown ups. You

1940
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,719
Speaker 8: know that we have to teach you know what I'm saying.

1941
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,840
Speaker 2: So it's it's wrong for me to want to hear

1942
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 2: English or at least words that I no, no, no.

1943
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: Disrespect. No.

1944
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're having your Chef Gordon hearing hip hop for

1945
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 6: the first time.

1946
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. I'm

1947
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 1: just saying.

1948
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's just coming from a little bit of

1949
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 8: a different place than these kids.

1950
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:45,799
Speaker 1: As far as I know, we started mumble. I'm sorry,

1951
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: don't say nothing. That's my shield. No no.

1952
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 5: But so let me ask you this then, So, since

1953
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 5: you are so aware of the differences and whatnot, then

1954
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 5: how do you decide to do why smoke?

1955
01:43:59,120 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 2: Then?

1956
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 8: Well, because he's a good young guy with the old soul,

1957
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. And he's been around for

1958
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 8: a while. He has his own little cult following, you know,

1959
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 8: which attracted me also with his skill set and you know,

1960
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 8: all like he's he's not he's different from certain younger

1961
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 8: generational artists, you know, like all right, some of my

1962
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 8: favorites are like Kendrick and Jake Cole and Action Bonds

1963
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 8: and Joey Badass. You know, the list goes on, you know,

1964
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 8: and then you have some that do their own thing.

1965
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,760
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, that people try to comprehend.

1966
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:38,679
Speaker 8: And the part that's where I come in, where I'm saying, Look,

1967
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 8: you got to say something, man, you know, you got

1968
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 8: to talk to the people.

1969
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 1: Man.

1970
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 2: We not We're not aliens, you know what I'm saying.

1971
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:47,600
Speaker 8: I don't know where your mind is at, but we

1972
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 8: people that want to comprehend with you.

1973
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 1: You know your.

1974
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 9: Message And it's funny.

1975
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 5: I made a joke, but and serious y'all. The title

1976
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 5: don't Smoke Rock. That's some serious thought. That's not a joke.

1977
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 10: Like tell people, it's not just a common you'll names smoke.

1978
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,680
Speaker 7: You came up with that, Wow, it was just to

1979
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 7: play on words with our names, and I just felt,

1980
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 7: you know, with the times that we're in, it was

1981
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,680
Speaker 7: just something positive. But I didn't really want to. I mean,

1982
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 7: it's it's kind of cliche eighty eight Ronald Reagan, you

1983
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 7: know what I mean. But but but really in the

1984
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 7: times that we're in right now, I mean, it's not

1985
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 7: too far from Malia any of the weird ship that

1986
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,760
Speaker 7: they fucking with now. So I mean, you know, don't

1987
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 7: smoke rockets kind of like our powerful way of being, like.

1988
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 2: You smoking on chill Nick, chill off.

1989
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,600
Speaker 8: But you know, this is just a great album. You know,

1990
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 8: we got Brick Bross on there, we got wile A

1991
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 8: mac Miller, the Locks camraon hm.

1992
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 1: Hmm.

1993
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you smoking what was it like? Well,

1994
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 3: first off, were you aware you know of I mean

1995
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 3: Pete rock.

1996
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 2: Right Gott And uh yeah no seriously, so like working

1997
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 2: with him like Win died it, Win died it.

1998
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: I just Win died it.

1999
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 3: Shift to say like okay, like I want to be

2000
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 3: a fan, but now I gotta really, you know, do

2001
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:22,600
Speaker 3: the work, you know what I'm saying, Like, was it

2002
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 3: ever a shift during the recording?

2003
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:26,799
Speaker 13: I don't think it was ever a shift.

2004
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 7: I mean once pr made that initial call like YO,

2005
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:30,800
Speaker 7: was up, you're trying to do this?

2006
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 1: It was like yeah, it was.

2007
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:39,600
Speaker 7: Like of course, you know, and I kind of like

2008
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 7: I'm like a lucky fool, like you know, Flex sent

2009
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 7: me a Pete Rock beat, like, Yo, I need you

2010
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 7: to give me thirty two bars for my mixtape on

2011
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 7: this Pete Rock.

2012
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 1: That's how it started. And I'm like, well, that's how

2013
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:51,240
Speaker 1: the work.

2014
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 13: That's that's how the working relationships started.

2015
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 7: And you know, from there, I was like overwhelmed, like, oh,

2016
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 7: it's a Pete Rock beat, Like he could have sent

2017
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 7: me whatever because he was saying and anybody else of

2018
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:01,679
Speaker 7: a ship.

2019
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 13: And I got the Pete Rock beat. So I'm like,

2020
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,679
Speaker 13: all right, let me let.

2021
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 7: Me show off so I can impress Pete so I

2022
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 7: can get another one. And then you know, that just

2023
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:14,840
Speaker 7: trickle down to my project. And then he's like, yo,

2024
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:16,559
Speaker 7: I want to keep this from mine and then it

2025
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:18,959
Speaker 7: was like yo, let's just do a full length joint.

2026
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it came about and it's easy to work

2027
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 2: with this guy.

2028
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Get quick.

2029
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 2: Are y'all still tracking area? Where are you tracking? You're

2030
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 2: tracking in your crib or no?

2031
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:36,799
Speaker 8: Right on thirtieth little spot okay, yeah, do ship fast

2032
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 8: and then quick.

2033
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you don't track vocals inside

2034
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 1: your house, you.

2035
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 8: Know I actually did. I did a few. But but

2036
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:50,639
Speaker 8: what's known is a I did a mixtape for camp

2037
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 8: just thirty blocks. Well, I just did anything. You know

2038
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. It's just a mixtape. They can't loads

2039
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 8: of the type of group. They're spontaneous and they rap

2040
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 8: to any like anything like you know what I'm saying.

2041
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 8: So we just wanted to. We thought it would be

2042
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 8: a good idea to do it. And you know it's

2043
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 8: on my website proock dot com. You can download free

2044
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:17,680
Speaker 8: because there's a lot of sample on that week clearing that.

2045
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, how I mean that's even though we're laughing

2046
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 2: about it, I mean for me, that's like taking the

2047
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 2: oxygen out of your tank, Like, how are you able

2048
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 2: to now navigate.

2049
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 1: Skillfully at least to the.

2050
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:42,839
Speaker 2: Standard you're excellent, especially with the product project of this caliber,

2051
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 2: without your number one tool, well, which is the sample.

2052
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 8: Probably just listening to what's going on, listening to radio,

2053
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 8: listening to what people like, you know, listening to other producers,

2054
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 8: new ones, you know what they're doing, and just you know,

2055
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 8: take it all in and say, okay, you know, let

2056
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 8: me do it my way, you know what I mean.

2057
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 8: And then you'll find that out when you listen to

2058
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 8: Don't Smoke Rock. Yeah, good ship Yeah man, good ship Man.

2059
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you because I was always curious

2060
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 1: about it. Bb em BB was the label out of

2061
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 1: disrespectful that.

2062
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 3: Put out petrumentals and the surviving elements.

2063
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:31,080
Speaker 2: That was that one was stolen.

2064
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 3: No, yo, I'm gonna be I'm gonna keep it all

2065
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 3: the way back with you. Somebody very close to me

2066
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 3: in my camp got a call to mix that record and.

2067
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 2: We were both he hit it. I was like, yo,

2068
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:46,520
Speaker 2: don't do it. I said, don't touch that. I know, Pete.

2069
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:48,680
Speaker 2: That guy is starting trouble, you know what I mean?

2070
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 1: Yeah? So what was the what? What you want to know? What?

2071
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 1: You want to know? What happened?

2072
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 2: I saw him on the plane, man, and let loose

2073
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 2: on this guy. I couldn't put hands on him.

2074
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 1: I heard the story I heard.

2075
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,120
Speaker 8: So I started spitting on him. I figured I was

2076
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:06,760
Speaker 8: there because he disrespected me in the utmost worst way

2077
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 8: ever that no man could withstand, and I couldn't hold

2078
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 8: it back.

2079
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 1: I was on the plane with it. What way was that?

2080
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: What would somebody said or something he.

2081
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:19,479
Speaker 8: Did something he did rather not, you know, go into

2082
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 8: the personal business. I'd rather say I remember the great period,

2083
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:27,600
Speaker 8: but but what he did angered me.

2084
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,800
Speaker 1: So that was and that was Spanner turning into the whole.

2085
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 2: And that was for the pet That was for the peatstrumentals,

2086
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 2: because then we did.

2087
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:42,639
Speaker 8: That was for surviving of the elements. I was working

2088
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:44,400
Speaker 8: on New York's finests and.

2089
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 2: Had some leftover beats on a drive that I left

2090
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 2: in the studio, which I shouldn't have did, and you

2091
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 2: know there somebody stole it.

2092
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so interesting because from a consumer standpoint, BB

2093
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 5: had a whole error where it was just like dope ship,

2094
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:00,040
Speaker 5: like from.

2095
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, dope ship for the people from people from here,

2096
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,919
Speaker 2: from the producer friendly label. It wasn't he wasn't snatching

2097
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,679
Speaker 2: nobody in Europe or nothing like that.

2098
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't they did. I mean, we put our first.

2099
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 1: I remember that BB, and they did right.

2100
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 8: But I mean, you know when when I when we

2101
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:23,799
Speaker 8: first discovered them, it was all love in the beginning,

2102
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, and then you know, we

2103
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 8: ended up having you know, I took out lawsuit and

2104
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 8: got paid one took him to court.

2105
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 2: Oh okay, because both of those wreck because it was

2106
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:36,440
Speaker 2: you did instrumentals.

2107
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:38,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I took him the court too.

2108
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:40,639
Speaker 2: Was on b B two, right, yeah, it was because

2109
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:42,800
Speaker 2: we did that was after all of that though, because

2110
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 2: then they then the surviving of the elements came after

2111
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:50,640
Speaker 2: those two A gotcha and then that's when you know

2112
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 2: that happened.

2113
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 1: Man, talk about un c L and where y'all at

2114
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:55,719
Speaker 1: right now? I know, touring.

2115
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 8: We just did a month and a half on tour,

2116
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 8: no off days, just going hard, and I was like

2117
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 8: looking at Cel steaming once. You know, the lights the

2118
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 8: stage lights were so hot in one spot that he

2119
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 8: was sweating so much that when he came in the

2120
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:16,200
Speaker 8: dressing room to sit down, he was literally steaming, like

2121
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:21,120
Speaker 8: the steam was coming Marvel steam. And I'm like, I've

2122
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:24,320
Speaker 8: never seen that ship before, Like, wow, this cat is

2123
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 8: hungry again. Yes, that's when we decided, you know, yeah,

2124
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 8: let's let's do this do this music shit again.

2125
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,719
Speaker 1: So y'all talking to the album. Yeah, yeah, he got beats.

2126
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 1: He's on Cloud nine right now. Oh ship, So there's

2127
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:41,439
Speaker 1: a chance that we might have a new Pete Rock

2128
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:43,879
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen.

2129
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 9: Wow, something to look forward to.

2130
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 3: Damn it, because I will say the records that y'all did,

2131
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 3: like front Post Breakup, I mean from the Love Thing.

2132
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they appreciate. Oh wow you like that?

2133
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:02,680
Speaker 2: What wait wait wait climax she said? Client said climax,

2134
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 2: you said Client? Okay, I just felt that was a

2135
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 2: bad man. I didn't mix that. I didn't mix that

2136
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:12,160
Speaker 2: was cool. The mixed money could have been climate. Which

2137
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:16,240
Speaker 2: one was that one that was? It was Curtis. Curtis

2138
01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 2: may give you.

2139
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 1: I remember you playing me that beat and I loved that.

2140
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 1: It was a bad mix of it. Yeah, and the

2141
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:26,200
Speaker 1: dude they had singing over I remember, I call.

2142
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 8: I would have made that, you know, if I was

2143
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 8: behind mixing it, it would have been much better sounding.

2144
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 1: And back on the block back mfs B member. Ye wait,

2145
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 1: what was that?

2146
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 8: Mfs B member One guy who made a solo album

2147
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 8: that was in Montana. There you go, Yeah, yeah, that's

2148
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 8: what you gotta say. Just he said his first name.

2149
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:57,679
Speaker 8: People don't know Montana. They don't know who you're talking

2150
01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:58,920
Speaker 8: about unless they have a musician.

2151
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,679
Speaker 1: Now, I'm trying to remember remember the record. You probably

2152
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:11,480
Speaker 1: have the album. I know I do now I'm trying. Yeah, yeah,

2153
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 1: I started singing. See the vibing.

2154
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 2: Then that was a joint, like, yeah, that was one

2155
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 2: of them joints.

2156
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 3: But now y'all de forming. I mean, y'all, you guys

2157
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,759
Speaker 3: still sound. Every time y'all.

2158
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:27,840
Speaker 8: Put out the current, that's still right now, people are

2159
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 8: gonna drop their jaws on their head.

2160
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 2: And what made y'all get to this point? Because I

2161
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 2: remember for it was really nasty. I just think even

2162
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 2: when it was like that, it wasn't totally. You know,

2163
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 2: it was a timing period where it did get you know, ugly.

2164
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 2: But then you know, even over the years, I put

2165
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 2: them on piece mental I snatched them so survivor so

2166
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 2: so survivor too.

2167
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 1: You know.

2168
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 8: I was always reaching a handout. And then you know

2169
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 8: when when you're old and grown, yeah, you know you're like,

2170
01:54:56,920 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 8: all right, man, we were kids then you know what

2171
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 8: I'm saying, fucking funk all that ship, you know that's

2172
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 8: up So that's why.

2173
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 1: So you still live in Mount Running right now? No,

2174
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm in upstate New York. Okay. Yeah, it's quiet. People.

2175
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 1: People always like try to lure me up there, like

2176
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 1: just try, there's people up there.

2177
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 2: It's people something you say the artists. I don't want

2178
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:29,840
Speaker 2: to put nobody on blast. No, but I mean, like,

2179
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 2: is it like, are you in the farm area.

2180
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,880
Speaker 8: It's in the woodsy area, lots of deers and animals

2181
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 8: and ship.

2182
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 1: Really, and that's where I want.

2183
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 2: To I actually like it because it's you know, yeah,

2184
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 2: it's quiet, but I get work done.

2185
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 1: You know that's scared When I'm in the.

2186
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 2: Hood and everybody, are you scared going to get chased

2187
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:50,680
Speaker 2: by gunk again?

2188
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 9: Yo?

2189
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm running from them ships to man that ship

2190
01:55:56,120 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 2: get on you. You finished finished stinks And my dog

2191
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 2: got sprayed one time and the dog came in the house.

2192
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 2: My sisters just started immediately throwing up. It's bad up close,

2193
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 2: it's bad. Like is that tomato soup thing real?

2194
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 8: I think it works. I never had to do it,

2195
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 8: but I did it for my dog. It works to

2196
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 8: make tomato soup. Will get the skunk smell tomato soup,

2197
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:28,160
Speaker 8: all kind of eating tomato sauce, anything, tomato ship. I

2198
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 8: just want to take a tomato bad tomato bat That's

2199
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 8: what we was doing for the dog. Tomato bad. That's crazy.

2200
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:40,600
Speaker 2: Do you and do you and grab grap lover ya

2201
01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 2: still y'all still work.

2202
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:43,880
Speaker 1: We haven't worked in well.

2203
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 8: I mean I think he put out an instrumental album

2204
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 8: of beats that we used to experiment with, and then

2205
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 8: you know he would learn from me and catch on

2206
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 8: and do ship himself and then put it.

2207
01:56:57,200 --> 01:57:01,320
Speaker 2: He put out an instrumental and actually half man, half amazing.

2208
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 8: He produced that. He produced it first. But he had

2209
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 8: these drums and he was like, I don't like the drums.

2210
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 8: And I didn't like them either, so he was like, yo,

2211
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:12,320
Speaker 8: just change the drums.

2212
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:19,160
Speaker 1: Speaking of drums. Okay, So when my beautiful, Twisted, Dark

2213
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 1: Fantasy album was getting announced and he was like, I'm

2214
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 1: gonna use Pete Rock. Now, in my head, I thought

2215
01:57:28,360 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 1: you were going to make a fresh beat. I'm not mad.

2216
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not mad because he took one of

2217
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:39,160
Speaker 2: one of your one of your best interlude beats of

2218
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 2: all time. But okay, when you're working in that environment,

2219
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 2: and plus you you also did the makings of you.

2220
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Now that's when I first met Rose too. Okay, So

2221
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:00,320
Speaker 1: when you're in that environment.

2222
01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 2: Is it is it limiting when when you're working well,

2223
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 2: I don't mean limiting, because I also had this question

2224
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:17,120
Speaker 2: for a Q tip when he made on wasch the throne,

2225
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 2: that's my bitch.

2226
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:22,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, beats that.

2227
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:25,920
Speaker 2: Don't necessarily sound like it came from their cannon, you

2228
01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So in that particular envirralm because

2229
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 2: I felt like what they did was they stripped you

2230
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 2: down to your your your basic minimum, like were you

2231
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,400
Speaker 2: presenting full fledged ideas to them?

2232
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:40,720
Speaker 1: And they were just like yep, nope, we just want no.

2233
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:43,360
Speaker 2: I was actually Kanye was picking beats.

2234
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:46,040
Speaker 8: He picked like eight or nine and we narrowed it

2235
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 8: down to the one, but he did like two or

2236
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:51,640
Speaker 8: three rhymed on one. He asked me phone to rhyme

2237
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:55,240
Speaker 8: on the enjoy with him, but I wasn't ready, you know,

2238
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 8: to do that.

2239
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, no, no, you know.

2240
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't nothing, But I was just really sorry about

2241
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:04,919
Speaker 2: your your your your vocal uh powers?

2242
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 1: Which nah, I'm with you.

2243
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 2: You made it you like I don't know you. You

2244
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:17,880
Speaker 2: had a cool voice for it, like thanks, just like

2245
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:20,120
Speaker 2: you were shot, Like how come you didn't produce that?

2246
01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:20,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't.

2247
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's a grand pooba, Like who

2248
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:26,560
Speaker 2: made you? Grand pool back here to win the buzz bees?

2249
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:29,400
Speaker 1: Again? Blame for me?

2250
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:31,840
Speaker 5: Rappings that they made you do to don't curse verse

2251
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 5: because I was like, do you.

2252
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 10: Want to do that?

2253
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 2: Those are the first rhymes I wrote by myself.

2254
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:38,839
Speaker 1: Oh man man yeah.

2255
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and then pool Boy wrote the Creator and

2256
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:44,760
Speaker 8: Soul Brother.

2257
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:52,360
Speaker 1: What three beats that were made? Were you? Just like, damn,

2258
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:55,520
Speaker 1: I wish I made it? Like probably not.

2259
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:57,480
Speaker 2: I feel some sort of way like I could make

2260
01:59:57,560 --> 02:00:00,120
Speaker 2: that better, but just like I wish, I mean that

2261
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:02,400
Speaker 2: probably what three joints?

2262
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:04,240
Speaker 1: Did you hear? It was just like or somebody got

2263
02:00:04,240 --> 02:00:05,120
Speaker 1: to the sample first?

2264
02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:09,080
Speaker 2: Well that's my second question, but just a completed song.

2265
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:15,280
Speaker 2: I wish I produced this, probably like the power song

2266
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:24,800
Speaker 2: I gave you power that pretymom did that right? Yeah? Okay,

2267
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:30,080
Speaker 2: what other joint? I was a lot of his joints.

2268
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:31,320
Speaker 1: But you know.

2269
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:35,400
Speaker 2: I have you have to ask me that another time

2270
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:38,920
Speaker 2: at the interview. Then you know I have a better

2271
02:00:39,320 --> 02:00:41,120
Speaker 2: thought process like any joints?

2272
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:46,520
Speaker 1: All? All right? So what sample.

2273
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:52,320
Speaker 2: Did you have in your possession that you didn't realize

2274
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:54,000
Speaker 2: that's where.

2275
02:00:53,800 --> 02:00:56,360
Speaker 1: That was a whole lot of ship or one that

2276
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,400
Speaker 1: you had a plan for into it?

2277
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:00,480
Speaker 9: Hmm.

2278
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:06,600
Speaker 2: Kicking the door, Wow, I was cleaning it. I used

2279
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:08,320
Speaker 2: to play it play playoffs. I'm gonna make something of

2280
02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:10,120
Speaker 2: this one day. Then boom premo.

2281
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

2282
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:16,080
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember being at the crib. You showed

2283
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:18,760
Speaker 3: us the sample for day Lost Pony Ride.

2284
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

2285
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:27,280
Speaker 8: With the record when you're doing this, when the record

2286
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 8: goes and they just you just tapped it.

2287
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:40,600
Speaker 2: So I've learned too much today that it's overwhelming. So

2288
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:46,040
Speaker 2: I'll just stop at Biggie hearing, Biggie hearing in the flesh,

2289
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:50,480
Speaker 2: get me that being an autist, take a look what man.

2290
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 3: I learned that Pete Rock has probably the sharpest ears

2291
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:56,280
Speaker 3: on any human beings that.

2292
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:59,360
Speaker 2: Can pick out scenario. I mean, that's just amazing. I

2293
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:03,440
Speaker 2: think that just them all my life. But that's I mean,

2294
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been listening to it all night, but

2295
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 2: I can't hear him the way you're in. But uh

2296
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:09,600
Speaker 2: but nah, man, it's it's just great just to be

2297
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:13,920
Speaker 2: here with someone who inspired us and just who played

2298
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:16,760
Speaker 2: such an integral part in my career, and to know

2299
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 2: that he still just has the love for the music

2300
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:21,320
Speaker 2: and you know, just.

2301
02:02:21,240 --> 02:02:24,200
Speaker 1: Still has that integrity and it's still here. You know.

2302
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:27,440
Speaker 3: It's it's so many cats from that era that weren't

2303
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:31,760
Speaker 3: able to transition and weren't able to you know, you know,

2304
02:02:33,240 --> 02:02:35,000
Speaker 3: learn a new set of tools, you know what I'm

2305
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:37,480
Speaker 3: saying for the new world, so to speak. So just

2306
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:39,680
Speaker 3: to see him here and still doing it, you know,

2307
02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:43,040
Speaker 3: doing the records with smoke, reaching out to younger generation

2308
02:02:43,320 --> 02:02:45,440
Speaker 3: and uh, just still doing it, man, It's just it's

2309
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:48,480
Speaker 3: really inspiring. And I'm happy he's still here with us,

2310
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:52,360
Speaker 3: giving given given my heroes, the Flowers, while they live, waiting,

2311
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:56,680
Speaker 3: not waiting till they passed, not waiting till you know

2312
02:02:56,680 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 3: what I mean.

2313
02:02:57,640 --> 02:02:59,400
Speaker 1: You gotta have a vigil or nah like.

2314
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:03,800
Speaker 2: Tech and still too. On that note, On that note,

2315
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:04,920
Speaker 2: because we did a song.

2316
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:09,840
Speaker 1: About that, Sugar Steve, you would us. Yeah, what you

2317
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:14,240
Speaker 1: learn man? Again, a lot of a lot of information overload.

2318
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:16,720
Speaker 1: This was an information overload episode.

2319
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:20,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, I learned Questlove wants to take a tomato bath.

2320
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 8: Said that if you gets sprayed by a skunk, he's

2321
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:25,360
Speaker 8: gonna have to do that.

2322
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:28,200
Speaker 1: I've gotten sprayed by a skunk. Oh wow.

2323
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:32,440
Speaker 11: I Like, I'm worried about your dad's records being in

2324
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:33,320
Speaker 11: your mom's basement.

2325
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I thought about Ron Control. It's

2326
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:41,760
Speaker 1: good money down there. It's base that it's not moist.

2327
02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:45,200
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.

2328
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:47,360
Speaker 1: Just because you haven't.

2329
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:48,760
Speaker 11: And then you said, you know you still have all

2330
02:03:48,760 --> 02:03:50,560
Speaker 11: your discs from from all these you know.

2331
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:53,560
Speaker 1: That's that's where I live now. Yeah, yeah, that's what me.

2332
02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm close next to me. So you wouldn't take your recollection,

2333
02:03:57,680 --> 02:03:58,160
Speaker 1: would you.

2334
02:03:58,240 --> 02:04:02,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course records, but you're sentimental like you I have.

2335
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:05,440
Speaker 8: You know, my father's records are still at my mother's house.

2336
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:07,480
Speaker 1: So you want them there for sentimental reason.

2337
02:04:07,480 --> 02:04:09,960
Speaker 2: Because I have to make room.

2338
02:04:10,160 --> 02:04:11,840
Speaker 6: How many records do you? Would you say you have

2339
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 6: like forty somewhere up there's probably more than that too. Like, look,

2340
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:25,920
Speaker 6: my wife is just nuts because I keep bringing records and.

2341
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:30,680
Speaker 1: No more. She's dead ass too, but.

2342
02:04:30,720 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 2: She knows your peate Rock, right, Yeah, it's like the

2343
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:38,320
Speaker 2: reason why we have this house is yeah, one of

2344
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:42,080
Speaker 2: these records will get you all right. So Bill, what

2345
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 2: I learned, I mean, I really just got confirmation of

2346
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:46,800
Speaker 2: what I've always known is that Pete Rock is still

2347
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:49,240
Speaker 2: one of my favorite producers. And the fact that I

2348
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:51,880
Speaker 2: was actually able to sit in the room and talk

2349
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:55,280
Speaker 2: beats and records with Pete Rock, I can pretty much

2350
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:56,160
Speaker 2: die happy.

2351
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:56,440
Speaker 1: Man right now.

2352
02:04:56,760 --> 02:05:01,240
Speaker 2: Scenarios it's like this, This is some dream true ship, right, God, blessed,

2353
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:03,400
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming out, No problem, man, thank you,

2354
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:07,160
Speaker 2: question me and quest go back. You know what I'm saying.

2355
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:10,440
Speaker 9: Oh, I have learned.

2356
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:12,200
Speaker 1: Snares.

2357
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:15,320
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, no, I'm learning snares. Let's get absolutely true

2358
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:18,360
Speaker 5: real I have learned that. And I've also learned that people.

2359
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:20,520
Speaker 5: I got a lot in common with Ray Parker junior

2360
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,800
Speaker 5: scenes though y'all been making great music since y'all were teenagers.

2361
02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:26,120
Speaker 8: I don't know if you realize that Parker was just

2362
02:05:26,160 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 8: on the Today Show.

2363
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:32,440
Speaker 2: Actually he was just the Ray Parker's story is that

2364
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:35,960
Speaker 2: we've heard Man Jack and Jill my favorite joint.

2365
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:41,120
Speaker 1: He's yeah, and plus he's been on so many records

2366
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:44,400
Speaker 1: that a lot of everything, a lot. I'm looking at

2367
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:45,200
Speaker 1: credits on album.

2368
02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:48,560
Speaker 2: Damn he's on this ship though. Yeah, he's on somecure

2369
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:53,400
Speaker 2: obscure records too, Like, yeah, we learn Ray Parker, we

2370
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:58,840
Speaker 2: learned a lot, like all those Victor's records and played

2371
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:03,760
Speaker 2: on all No No, No, No, No, No, Unhooked Generation, all that

2372
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:09,240
Speaker 2: rape Parker. Wow, his Verry White stories are messing up

2373
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 2: his car. Yeah, this Barry White stories are oh my god.

2374
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:15,480
Speaker 5: Wait I want to say one other thing that I learned.

2375
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:17,120
Speaker 5: And you don't know this, but this is like the

2376
02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:20,200
Speaker 5: first time that I feel like a mere Bill and

2377
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:24,240
Speaker 5: Fonte have fanned out over somebody's word at the same level,

2378
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:26,800
Speaker 5: like we we we interviewed the Revolution, but the levels.

2379
02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:27,480
Speaker 9: Were different, you know what I mean.

2380
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:30,040
Speaker 5: But at this moment, it's just a really good feeling

2381
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:33,800
Speaker 5: to see y'all all just kind of saut because and

2382
02:06:33,880 --> 02:06:35,520
Speaker 5: on my third note, I would also like to say

2383
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:38,040
Speaker 5: that in all these years, Peter, I always thought it

2384
02:06:38,080 --> 02:06:40,760
Speaker 5: was dope that you got dudes on your side in

2385
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:42,840
Speaker 5: this way, but you also move women in a different

2386
02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:44,839
Speaker 5: type of way, you know what I mean.

2387
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:46,280
Speaker 9: And we get to talk about that. But I know

2388
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:47,960
Speaker 9: a lot of my girlfriends.

2389
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 2: Like heart felt take your time make heart felt ship.

2390
02:06:54,080 --> 02:07:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, right.

2391
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about Troy. Troy real quick, man,

2392
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 1: I think we should real quick.

2393
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:12,240
Speaker 8: Reminisce, well, you know Reminisce, you know happened in nineteen

2394
02:07:12,240 --> 02:07:16,560
Speaker 8: The beat making process started at the end of ninety one,

2395
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:21,360
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety one, you know then you know made the

2396
02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:23,720
Speaker 8: full beat ninety two blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: You know, y'all want me to go in how I

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Speaker 2: made it? Yes, okay, wait, we didn't ask about your

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Speaker 2: talk about the albums.

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Speaker 1: I sucked, man, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 8: I took took a drum loop that's familiar, you know,

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Speaker 8: and added that Tom Scott and then the elements afterwards and.

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Speaker 1: Rest was history.

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Speaker 2: Who directed that video, Marcus ray Boy, That video like

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Speaker 2: actually went on perfectly captures the mood of that song.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we was.

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Speaker 8: That was the first video that we did and we said, wow,

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Speaker 8: this ship really matches what you're talking about, Like Marcus

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Speaker 8: did such a great job on that video, and it

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Speaker 8: was freezing when we did that, really freezing.

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Speaker 1: There's there's.

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Speaker 2: There's an MC from Philadelphia that was like way younger

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Speaker 2: the generation yeap young and uh wait wait wait here's

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Speaker 2: the here's here's the thing with with black people, like

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Speaker 2: we'll we'll know the song, but we'll just title anything

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Speaker 2: you don't say, well, no, I used to joke that,

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Speaker 2: uh like barbarestis saying Evergreen used to be called love

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Speaker 2: soft of the easy chair or the way we were.

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02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:41,040
Speaker 2: The way we were was memories like the corner of

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Speaker 2: my mind. But this kid, who's here's the dope. MC

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Speaker 2: used to always say his favorite song was Mama getting

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Speaker 2: married in the house.

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Speaker 1: Woo you know.

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Speaker 2: That song, Mama getting married the house? That's all he

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Speaker 2: I love my no. Now he's a young kid, I mean,

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02:09:02,440 --> 02:09:05,160
Speaker 2: but he knows. Yeah, that's that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Not black people. And some time it's so funny talk

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02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:11,720
Speaker 1: about was that like that song about my joye Joy?

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Speaker 2: I still call cross Roads Uncle Charles relatable.

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Speaker 1: The song is relatable, exactly. Smoke. This is final words?

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Speaker 1: Did you this is our nerd out session?

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Speaker 13: Did you you trust me? I learned that y'all mold some.

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Speaker 12: Technically stupid history, you know, But but I enjoyed it though,

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Speaker 12: because you know.

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Speaker 13: Like, I'm a nerd.

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Speaker 1: I like I like wrestling.

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Speaker 13: I'm a wrestling nerd.

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Speaker 1: Have you done have you done cheap heat? Peter Rosenberg?

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Speaker 13: Cheap heat?

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Speaker 7: But Peter, Peter is my man, so I guess we

2441
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,520
Speaker 7: got cheap heat anytime we texted talking about it on

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Speaker 7: the phone. But we did WrestleMania together and all that

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02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:03,320
Speaker 7: type of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm one of those kinds.

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Speaker 8: Well, he's It's funny because one time I was in

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Speaker 8: San Francisco on tour and this cat is out there.

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02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:13,760
Speaker 8: I'm thinking he's on the road and you know doing

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Speaker 8: some shows. I'm like, what you're doing here. He's like, Yo,

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Speaker 8: I'm at the wrestling.

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Speaker 1: Shit.

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Speaker 2: He's out there just for that. He didn't no rap shit,

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Speaker 2: just out there wrestling. It was crazy. It's crazy with it.

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Speaker 2: From Electric Lady Studios, this is Court Love Supreme. We've

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Speaker 2: had a really amazing show with our guests Pete Rocket

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Speaker 2: and on behalf of the team Supreme.

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Speaker 1: This Quest Love. Thank you for listening and supporting the show.

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Speaker 1: We'll see o'all next week.

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Speaker 2: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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