WEBVTT - #288 Packers Unscripted: Hot topics 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:20.560 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.280 I am Mike Spofford and he is my trusted colleague 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:26.360 Wes Hodkowits. We're coming to you here from our studios 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.120 at lambeau Field and West as we continue our post 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:34.120 draft week recapping the Packers two thousand eighteen draft. Remember 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.560 one of the shows we did before the draft where 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:38.960 I sort of fired a bunch of questions at you 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:40.839 and we both gave our answers and we kind of 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.040 rattled through the show. Well, our producer, Marvin, he thought 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.480 that was one of our best shows I've ever done. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.520 So I thought, why not do a show like that 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.520 in the post draft world. So I've got my list 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.400 of questions here, I'm gonna throw them at you. You 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.640 give your answer, I'll give my answer. We'll see how 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.120 many we get through here. And then twenty two or 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.040 so minutes, right off the bat, which of these eleven 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.240 draft picks for the Green Bay Packers do you believe 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.360 will have the biggest impact in back on the hot 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.640 seat over here. Yeah, uh, you know, Jarry Alexander. I 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.280 think is the easy answer to this one, Mike, just 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.080 because I think with his skill set, being able to 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.959 play outside, being able to play inside, there's just a 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.680 more direct path for him getting onto the field if 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.720 you're a boundary type corner We even saw it to 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.959 some extent with Kevin King last year. It's more difficult 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.160 to be able to get that spot right off the 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.920 bat because of just you know, the mona competition and 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:38.760 a lot of times it takes a more veteran player 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.560 to excel out there. You saw Casey Hayward excel in 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.720 the slot as a young player before Damarius Randall handled 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.639 that position. Mike A. Hyde in two thousand thirteen, when 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.960 Casey Hayward got hurt, ended up manning that position quite 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.880 a bit. So I think there's probably more of a 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.480 direct outlet for Alexander to make a Day one contribution. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.960 But but even still, as we've talked about a million times, cornerback, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.160 it's a position that takes time to learn and develop. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.400 You can play off your instincts, you can play off 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.320 your natural athleticism, but you need to pair that with 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.160 technique and knowledge of the defense. So that'll be his 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.680 number one hurdle when he comes to Green Bay, when he, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.040 you know, gets involved in this. Mike Petton defense, But 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.239 I just think given where he was taken, the amount 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.880 of ability that he has, I think he's probably the 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.200 surest bet to be able to make a contribution right 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:23.800 off the battle. Yeah, that's a good call. And I 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.240 like what you said to about the difference between slot 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.840 corner and boundary corner for young guys, especially in the 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.040 sense that a lot of times defensive coordinators can be 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.080 a little hesitant to put a rookie matched up against 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.840 a number one receiver type out there on the boundary. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.440 That's sort of a job, an assignment that you that 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.600 you work your way up to, So we'll see how 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.120 that evolves. My answer to this question comes with a 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.320 bit of a caveat, and the caveat is if he 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.160 wins the job, which is a little bit of a 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.920 cop out. But my answer is j K. Scott, I 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.959 think he could have a really big impact on this 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.320 on this team if he indeed beats out Justin Vogel 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.119 for the punting job. And I'm not saying he's going 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.200 to and with the rook he sees in Justin Vogel 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.760 had and all the promise that he has shown, I 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.600 think this is going to be quite a competition, and 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.680 Justin Vogel is certainly not going to give up his 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.239 job without a heck of a fight. But you look 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.360 at the pedigree of J. K. Scott in college at Alabama, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.560 all the big games, the bright spotlight type of games 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.079 that he punted in, and how he performed and how 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.480 he evolved from his freshman year as a punter through 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.880 his senior year with improving the hang time and bringing 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.160 the gross average and the net average closer together by 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:34.000 you know, limiting if not eliminating most returns. I think 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.040 he's uh. I think he's a rookie to watch on 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.640 this team again if he wins the job. Yeah. And 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.480 the thing that really stands out to me about him 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.760 more than any other character is just the fact that 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.320 he is so darn big and for the you know, 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.240 we've heard it a million times, those long lever type hunters. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.320 How much more leverage you're able to put onto a football, 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.560 the things that you're able to do, the way you 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.760 can harness that. Uh. He he checks all those boxes 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.720 across the board. And he also seems to line up 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:01.680 per quickly with what the Packers have been looking for 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.560 with their punters. Guys that can put the ball on 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.320 the sideline, they get the proper hand time, they get 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:10.480 the proper distance. Uh, Punting in Green Day, Wisconsin is 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.880 a lot different than it was in Alabama. Yeah, the 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.200 cold the cold weather is going to be is going 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.000 to potentially be an issue. Vogel hand little King from Miami. Yeah, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.240 so Vogel had experience last year two and did just 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.200 fine in the month of December. But for both of 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.560 those guys, I will say this, I challenge you, Mike, 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.280 to go back and find me a better punting competition 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.239 that the Packers have had in the last twenty five years. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.440 I mean, Craig Hendrick man that spot for a few years. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.880 Obviously Josh Bidwell was there. Um, you know, I guess 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.360 you could kind of talk it's it doesn't doesn't match 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:44.960 up though, even if you look at the years where 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:49.360 you had Derek Frost and you know, and Sean John Ryan, 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.080 Jeremy Kapanos was in that mix. And this is as 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.040 far as like one verse one, I think this is 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.240 gonna probably one of the best summers to watch for 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.600 that position. Alright, Question number two, which of these draft 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.839 picks is the biggest unknown in terms of perhaps what 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.960 his upside might be. Oh, that's a great question, Michael. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.160 I think I'm gonna probably have to say or in 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:14.039 Burke's just because he really hasn't been in just one 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.880 spot for more than one season. Uh. He came to 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.520 Vanderbilt and he was a defensive back, and he played 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.680 that for two years, and he became a hybrid safety 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.080 and then he became a full fledged inside backer. He 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.200 seems and sounds like he's going to be able to 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.760 carry two hundred and thirty five pounds naturally, Like it's 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.280 not going to be a stretch to put that much 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.160 weight on his body. To give you an example in 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.680 terms of a comparison, Jack Cichy from Wisconsin weighs two 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.800 thirty eight and was considered, other than the injuries, one 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.920 of the best pure inside linebackers in this draft class. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.280 So he is going to be able to check the 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.080 box from the size the size component of it. It's 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.520 just gonna be a question of you know where his 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.200 speed is at, because you're no longer in that too 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.960 twenty range. But I just think when you put his 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.479 numbers on the board, how he tested in the role 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.880 that he filled at Vanderbilt, it just seems like he's 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.480 tailor made for that hybrid position now in the NFL, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:07.960 with the way that things have sort of steered themselves. Yeah, 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.640 and my answer to this one is the South Florida 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:14.359 wide receiver Marquez Valdi Scantling. And I say that because 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:18.120 of a couple of numbers six four and four three seven, 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.440 and I've said it in our insider inbox. I'm really 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.320 curious what this is going to look like. I know, 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.720 a couple of years ago, Packers drafted Trevor Davis, speedy 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.440 wide receiver from cal The thought was he would maybe 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.400 developed into one of these guys that could take the 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.359 top off the defense. That hasn't happened yet, not to 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.440 say that it couldn't happen in year three as Trevor 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.360 continues to develop. But this is a this is a 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.520 size and speed prospect that's that's really intriguing. And uh 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.120 and again, I just I think there's a lot of 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.880 unknown with the upside here. Packers fans get all excited 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.279 about Jeff Janice, and you know, Valdez Scantling has a 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.720 faster forty and he's taller, so a lot to work 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.719 with their All, Right, with that, we're gonna go to 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.080 a break back with moreen Packers Unscripted. Right after this, 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.640 Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:20.320 Wes Hodkowitz in that one the hot seat again, some 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.840 more questions come in your way. Okay, best value pick 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.200 out of this team draft for the package, Josh Jackson 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:28.680 has to be. I mean, this is a guy that 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.640 had a lot of first round grades by you know, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.000 a number of teams. He ends up falling to the 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.920 middle of the second round. I don't know exactly what's 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.800 going through Brian Goodquin's mind at that point. Um. I 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.200 have to imagine they were pretty geeked about it though. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.680 The fact that you know, as as I talked about 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.440 Mike when you and I were in Indianapolis, I think 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.120 a lot of people at that point in time thought 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.400 he was the number two cornerback on the board as 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.080 far as a pure corner here corner pushing Denzel Award 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.320 for that spot. Alexander ends up testing through the roof. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.600 Some other things fall into line, but he has great size. Uh. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.280 You love his competitiveness and you love the production. Again, 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.440 I just I really wonder if he could have if 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.040 that forty would have been under sub five or in 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.640 the more around that five poor four point five. You 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.600 know whether or not he probably is a first round pick. 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.520 But uh, he had the one big year in Iowa. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.160 But I think that gives you a lot to work 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.200 with and as we've talked about earlier this week, he's 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.200 a he's an unfinished product, and now he gets to 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.520 work with Joe Wynne. I think that's an exciting combo. Yeah. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.200 I think Josh Jackson is definitely a value pick being 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.720 there at forty five in the second round. There's also 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.240 an argument to be made that the first round pick 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.200 Jirie Ji Year excuse me, Alexander is a great value 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.480 pick because essentially you traded a third round pick and 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:45.160 got a first rounder next year and got Alexander. So Um. 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.839 But I'll also say, as far as a value pick 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.480 in this draft, Equanimius st. Brown from Notre Dame at 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.320 the end of the sixth round a compensatory sixth round 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.320 pick if I'm not mistaken, Um, and I say value 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.480 pick because most analysts across the board said this, This 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.520 guy was projected as a third or fourth rounder. Um 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.640 had a lot of success at Notre Dame when he 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.520 had a legitimate NFL caliber quarterback there and in Deshaun Kaiser. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.440 And as I said on the show the other day, 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.560 I think this is I think I think the way 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.720 he fell in the draft of the late sixth round 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.640 makes him a very, very motivated player. And it's a 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.000 question whether he channels that motivation in the right way, 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.200 um to uh to start his NFL career. Probably gonna 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.079 have to weigh probably ten or fifteen years to get 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.520 an honest answer from Brian goodkinst on this. But I 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.600 do wonder, you know, he said e q st. Brown 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.320 said he was told by the Draft Advisory Committee had 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.360 a fourth round grade. I'm curious to see what great 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.000 the Packers had on him. I gotta imagine they had 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:43.880 him higher than the sixth round based on you know, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.200 one of the things I was working on this week 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.240 for Packers dot Com. You know, good Can said, really 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.160 he went into that last day. It wasn't like he 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.079 just wanted draft through receivers, but every time they came 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:54.880 on the board in the fourth, fifth and sixth round, 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.600 the receivers were the best value options for them, and 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.520 he thought that was a way to really improve the team. 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.680 And I've st Brown gonna be really motivated to show 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.320 that he should have been higher in this draft. Yeah, 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.840 all right. Most surprising pick of this draft for the 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.280 Packers in your opinion, Oh, Mike, that's a tough one. 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.800 Most surprising pick. I guess if you're gonna tell me 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.319 what the biggest surprise was overall, I have to say, Scott, 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.240 just from the standpoint of I did not envision the 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.240 Packers drafting a punter. To be honest with you, I 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.520 knew nothing about the punters in this class. And I 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.120 remember talking to a couple of the beat writers in 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.800 the auditorium on on Saturday night. Really not very many 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:35.679 did because I don't think we thought of it as 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.320 a position of need. I thought a lot of people 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.679 were comfortable, myself included with Vogel. So I didn't do 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.480 much research into these punters. But once you start to 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.880 look up his bio and you go on NFL dot 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:48.600 com and look up his draft page and see that 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.040 I think they had a third or fourth round grade 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.079 on the kid. Um they did get good value for him. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.960 And and I want to stop one thing right here, 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.080 because I saw some things on Twitter about well b J. 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.800 Sander two thousand and four. Brian Goodkins didn't trade up 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.240 into the third round to take J. K. Scott. He 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.080 got him in the fifth round at his pick, you know, 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.959 and in around the Packers had three picks. Yeah. So 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.600 I'll be honest with you, I don't I don't get 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.720 that argument at all. I think this kid's a lot 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.840 of talent there. And in the fact that a third 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.800 round pick, that's a different ballgame. Fifth round pick, I 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.320 think you know that the board starts to open itself 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.120 up a little bit more. Yeah, And for me, the 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.280 most surprising pick was the other specialist, Hunter Bradley from 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.640 Mississippi State. And even though I know you predicted it did, 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.120 I still did not. I just did not think the 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.080 Packers would draft along snapper. I just I figured, you know, 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.319 you you grab one of those guys in the undrafted route, 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.440 you know, right after the draft concludes. But lo and behold, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.280 they used a seventh round pick on a long snapper 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.880 and made a little history. Marvin the production booth is 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.440 gonna get mad at me here because he's probably gonna 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.080 be telling me to throw the break. But I just 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.560 want to make this point about Bradley. The reason I 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.040 was not surprised is because you look at the past 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.880 history when Packers have had injury problems at positions around positions, 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:05.400 running back, offensive line, receiver, they address it in the draft. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.920 They make sure that that doesn't happen again. Safety being 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.800 another one of them. After what they went through last year, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.080 three or four different long snappers throughout the course of 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.199 the year. It was a carousel, you know what. I 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.000 think there's something to be said in the seventh round 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.000 for taking the best available long snapper at that spot. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.400 And also keep in mind, I think the draft value charts, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.520 seventh round picks at that point are worth one point 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.840 one point overtaking the guys trying to sign him as 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.400 a prior having to compete for him, compete for him 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.120 potentially with other teams. All right, with that, we are 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.480 going to go to a breakback with moreen Packers unscripted 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:55.600 right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.280 Wes Hodkuhit's over there, okay, West. We just answered the 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.040 question last segment about most rising picks. So the next 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.000 question is most surprising non pick. What was the biggest 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.360 surprise to you in terms of what the Packers did 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.520 not do in this draft. You know what I'm gonna say, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.200 tight end. I think pass rusher obviously can make that argument, 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.280 but they did eventually address it in the seventh round. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.880 Tight end, and for the reason you and I discussed 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.680 earlier this week, that's a position that takes time to develop. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.040 I don't care if your first round pick or your 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.680 seventh round pick, it is going to be very difficult 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.760 for you at that position to go into the NFL 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.520 and just become a Pro Bowl type player. You need time, 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.440 and there's only so many Ron Gronkowski's out there. So 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.200 I thought it made a lot of sense with having 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.640 eight picks on the third day, that they would go 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.640 and find one. They didn't do that. I think that 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.280 is somewhat a reflection of the changing time in the NFL. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.040 We're seeing more three and four wide receiver approaches. Jimmy 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.760 Graham in some ways could be considered a receiver. I 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.000 know that's been a debate that's been had over the years. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.040 So in one way it makes sense and then the 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.600 other way though, I just think that this was a 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.640 draft that it was relatively deep at that tight end position. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.960 There were lot of intriguing guys you talked about several 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.200 of them in the pre draft process. I thought this 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.000 would have potentially been a year to go find one 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.000 of those guys. Yeah, I agree with you, tight end 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.760 was was a surprising non pick to me, and I 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.280 will I will also say pass rusher is the one 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.640 that sticks out to me. And nothing against Kendall Donnerson 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.880 being taken from Southeast Missouri State in the seventh round, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.240 but I thought the Packers would use a much earlier 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.040 pick on a pass rusher. And I guess where where 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.640 I got surprised the most is that when Brian goudacun 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.000 has decided to trade that top pick in the fourth 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.680 round on Friday night to get back into the third 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.960 round to take a player, I thought, Okay, here's where 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:37.840 he's targeted a pass rusher and this is where he's 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.320 going to take him any any taking took Burke's the 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.680 inside linebacker instead. So to me, that was the surprising 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.560 non pick, that that a pass rusher was not taken earlier, 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:51.760 as we talked about. But a larger overarching question West, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.680 what is the most important thing that the Green Bay 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.560 Packers accomplished with this draft when you look at it 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.960 from a big picture perspective, We asked a lot of 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.120 questions this week, Mike, We've talked about a lot of 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.000 different topics. You know, the one thing that has not 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.800 come up, what are the Packers going to do at cornerback? Uh, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.200 that that question has been answered. It's up to the 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.840 players in that room now to play this thing out. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.320 But the one thing, Mike, I don't think you're gonna 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.400 be able to say going into two thousand eighteen. Going 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.480 into it. The season plays out how it plays out. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.520 But I don't think you can say. I don't think 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.280 Mike Petton could say he doesn't have enough options at cornerback. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.120 You have Alexander and Jackson, two guys that very easily 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.480 could have both been first round picks. You brought back 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.520 Trumon Williams, a guy that gives you versatility throughout the secondary. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.560 Devon House is back, and you have a litany of 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.480 other defensive backs that you return from last season. I 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.600 think to me the fact that they did address that, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.080 even though there are some lingering questions about the pass rush, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.840 but they have prospects now in that pipeline at cornerback, 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.880 and considering how deep they had to go into those 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.240 reserves last year, I have to imagine that Joe Wait 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.360 and company are very happy about that. Ye. And if 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.760 I were to say the next most important thing that 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.880 the Packers accomplished in this draft, I think it's what 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.200 they did at wide receiver, and it's for a lot 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.960 of reasons. We saw the benefit of taking the three 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.680 running backs on the third day of the draft last 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.120 year and what that meant when injuries hit and you're 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.560 finding out what you've got in these young guys. The 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.840 Packers are going to have an opportunity to figure out 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.520 what they have with these young receivers that they took. 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.440 Do you have potentially another Davante Adams, you know, moving 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.560 up the pipeline here with one of these guys. Will 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.240 it help you make a decision on Randall cob who's 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.200 in the last year of his contract. There are a 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.360 lot of things here and maybe if things don't work 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.400 out with the approach that you took this year, then 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.440 it tells you we need to address wide receiver earlier 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:36.880 in the draft. We need to get more of a 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.680 top prospect to find the next Davanta Adams to to 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.960 pair with him long term, potentially as a as a 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.160 big body boundary receiver. So I think what they did 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.600 at wide receiver was very, very important, and I did 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.360 a little bit of a dive this week, Mike, looking 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.600 into the history of that. When the Packers overdraft at 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.080 receiver and actually their turns have been pretty good. You're 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.720 not going to hit on all three guys that, yeah, basically, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.200 but they did in two thousand fourteen. They got Davante Adams, 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.880 they did, They got Robert Brooks they did, and Bill 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.439 Schrader came out of that. So when you go and 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.320 address a position like that, sometimes you can really hit 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.359 it big and maybe find a lot of playmakers. But 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.280 I think the one thing it does it guarantees that 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.080 at least somebody's going to rise out of that and 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.200 become a contributor for you. All Right with that, we're 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.840 going to go to another break back with more on 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:41.240 Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.920 Mike Spofford joined by Wes Hodko. It's Okay West final 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.400 segment here. Before we go the final question, I'm going 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.919 to throw at you the best non Packers moment of 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.399 the two NFL Draft. I mean it has to be 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.920 Sakine Griffin from Seattle. Not only does he get drafted, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.400 and we remember talking at the combine about what emotional, 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.280 how emotion that was going to be for him, but 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.480 he gets picked by the Seattle Seahawks, so he gets 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.280 to go play with his twin brother story. A really 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.320 cool side note to that, Marquez Veldez Scantling, who the 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.760 Packers draft of fifth round, was high school teammates with 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.720 the two brothers as well, back at Lakewood High School 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:16.520 in St. Petersburg, So a little bit of a Packer 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.600 tie into that. But the fact that that Griffin is 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.440 able to get drafted after testing the way he did, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.320 I think it was a foregone conclusion that was going 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.080 to happen. But then John Schneider ends up calling in 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.000 his number and now he'll be able to be teammates 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.680 with his brother. That's pretty special. Yeah, it is pretty special. 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.080 And and there be a lot of people. There are 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.200 a lot of people in the country rooting for Griffin 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.680 no matter which team would have drafted him, a lot 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.639 of people rooting for him. A lot of people are 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.879 gonna be watching to see just just what sort of 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.960 career develops here with with really an amazing athletic story. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.320 And I want to see what kind of player he 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.560 can become too, because he's gonna have to make a transition. 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.720 He was an edge rusher kind of at at UCF. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.159 He's not gonna be able to do that in the NFL. 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.080 Is just not big enough, so he's gonna have to 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.720 be a hybrid type inside linebacker player. A lot to 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:01.440 work with, but he's gonna have to adjust his game 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.800 a little bit too. Yeah. Well, I will say as 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.760 much as I loved Jerry Kramer's jab at the at 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.560 the Dallas fans there, with regards to the Ice Bowl, 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.560