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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Chase that Lee.

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Speaker 2: This is the Phillies Show. Rubin tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury,

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Speaker 2: Todds A Lucky It's the Philly Show. Hi, everybody, It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: June second, twenty twenty five. Guys, how are we Ruben,

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Speaker 2: You're in Toronto.

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Speaker 3: I'm in Toronto. But I had to call three games

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Speaker 3: that I did not care for just now this weekend.

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Speaker 3: We will no chat about those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to get into all of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was just looking at the we obviously.

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Speaker 2: The Phillies gets swept by the Brewers this weekend at

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Speaker 2: Citizens Bank Park. It's the first time the Brewers swept

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Speaker 2: the Phillies in a three game series in Philly since

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Speaker 2: April tenth. April eighth to April tenth, twenty fourteen. Kyle Kendrick, Antonio,

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Speaker 2: bistardro and Cliff Lee took the losses in that series.

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Speaker 2: Look that up. Just out of curiosity this.

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Speaker 1: Week and reminding me I was the GM then, yes,

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Speaker 1: you were the GM.

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Speaker 2: Then this weekend, this weekend, yeah, and this team is

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Speaker 2: not supposed to be this weekend it was Taiwan Walkerjesus's

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Speaker 2: Art and Ryan Kirkering, who took the losses rehys Hoskins

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Speaker 2: they held. He only went two for fifteen guys against

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Speaker 2: the Phillies this weekend. It's just that those two hits

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Speaker 2: were three bombs, three run home runs. On Saturday in

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Speaker 2: that seventeen to seven victory over the Phillies. It's the

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Speaker 2: first time the Phillies the second time the Phillies have

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Speaker 2: lost four in a row at home since August of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. That's pretty amazing. They don't lose at home.

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Speaker 2: We know this. Four hours of hell. And then the

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Speaker 2: last time the Phillies won guys was Thursday, game one

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Speaker 2: of the doubleheader against the Braves. The winning pitcher was

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Speaker 2: Jose Ruiz, who's now been DFAD. So that's the last

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Speaker 2: time the Phillies won a game. The guy's not even

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Speaker 2: on the team anymore. That's That's the kind of weekend

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Speaker 2: they've had. Bad no offense, bad defense story, bad start

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Speaker 2: for Jesus Lizardo. Jim, we had a we had a

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Speaker 2: long wind up before we recorded. We were we were,

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Speaker 2: We've all had.

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Speaker 1: We had all types of stuff going through our heads. Jim,

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Speaker 1: what do you got?

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Speaker 2: Jim's right right now, at this moment.

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Speaker 4: It was just a very ugly weekend. You mentioned in

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Speaker 4: your Johnny Cass Johnny Carson monologue that without the humor

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Speaker 4: that o'rian Kirkering took the loss yesterday. He did not

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Speaker 4: deserve that loss. No, he continued to get outs at

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Speaker 4: the end of games. It's just that nobody wanted to

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Speaker 4: put those outs in their glove and actually, you know,

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Speaker 4: firm them up. I mean, defense just imploded in that game.

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Speaker 4: You come into Sunday's game losing three in a row,

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Speaker 4: and you kind of you need to win, right, You

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Speaker 4: need to win. It's been a tough home stand. You

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Speaker 4: need to need to grind out a wind to make

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Speaker 4: it a five hundred homes and big crowd on a

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Speaker 4: Sunday afternoon. And Ranger on a day when he doesn't

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Speaker 4: have his top notch stuff, but he you know, he

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Speaker 4: gots you out sixth plus and pitches into the seventh

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Speaker 4: and you can't catch the ball on left field, you

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Speaker 4: can't catch the ball shortstop. He lose the ball game.

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Speaker 4: I know they didn't have a lot of offense, but

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Speaker 4: game that's a game you got a lockdown because you

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Speaker 4: got really good pitching. So that was ugly and a

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Speaker 4: couple other losses. It was a two and four home stand.

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Speaker 4: That's not a good home stand. A couple other ones.

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Speaker 4: They didn't get good starting pitching a surprise. Wheeler had

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Speaker 4: a tough inning and they couldn't recover from it, and

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Speaker 4: Lozardo had a historically difficult inning and they couldn't recover

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Speaker 4: from that. They played poor defense in that game as well.

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Speaker 4: So they played poor defense on Saturday and Sunday, both

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Speaker 4: contributing to losses, one directly leading to a loss. And

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Speaker 4: you know, Lozardo gets hung with a you know, twelve

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Speaker 4: earned runs. I think he had given up like only

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Speaker 4: tener and runs in his previous seven starts. I really

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Speaker 4: felt bad for the guy. I thought he should have

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Speaker 4: been out of the game. I thought they him down

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Speaker 4: by leaving him out there to kind of twist in

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Speaker 4: the wind and see his go through the roof, because

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Speaker 4: he's come through for this team in a big way

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Speaker 4: over the first two months, and he needed a life

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Speaker 4: And and you know, they wanted to save the bullpen,

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Speaker 4: but he had to wear it, and I disagree with it.

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Speaker 4: He should have been on that ball game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of different reasons why. I was

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Speaker 3: really disappointed for Lozardo for a number of reasons. One

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Speaker 3: I mean, he got screwed on the on the ball call.

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Speaker 3: He gets a third base umpire call a ball a

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Speaker 1: What he said was a hesitation. It wasn't even where

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Speaker 1: he stepped, it was that they said that he hesitated,

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Speaker 1: which every left hander should do anyway, right.

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Speaker 5: They all hanged that leg, They all hang that leg,

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Speaker 5: and he hangs a lay his leg in particular because

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Speaker 5: he's done that before, I mean, and he did it

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Speaker 5: earlier in the game and he didn't call it, so

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Speaker 5: they called him that that that balk, and it really

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Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously Topper gets thrown out of

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Speaker 3: To get thrown out of the game, chasing guys down

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Speaker 3: to get him tossed.

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Speaker 1: But but then after that, it.

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Speaker 3: Just felt like, for whatever reason, things unraveled super super fast.

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Speaker 3: I mean, those runs got tacked onto him.

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Speaker 1: Really quickly. Every pitch he threw was a rocket after that.

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Speaker 1: And actually you could sort of see Lozardo get emotional,

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Speaker 3: The mound, and he has a lot of expectations of himself,

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Speaker 3: and I think he was upset with the early umpiring

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Speaker 3: balls just off the plate or balls on the corner.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't getting calls. You could see him getting upset

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Speaker 3: I think once that happened, I think he started to

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Speaker 3: you know, just like every great pitcher, and he's still

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Speaker 3: have to like regroup and make sure that he can, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Okay, settle myself down and let me go make

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Speaker 1: my next pitch, just like Doc used to do.

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Speaker 3: Just like a lot of guys like Cliff we used

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Speaker 3: to do because he go boy, but other guys just

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Speaker 3: have to be uh you know, Wheels is like that,

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Speaker 3: I mean we've got to He's going to have to,

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Speaker 2: So we're going to get into Harper. He's supposed to

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Speaker 2: come back on Tuesday. The Phillies are making some rotation

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Speaker 2: and bullpen changes. We're going to talk about some of

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Speaker 4: Hey, how about how about Cratsy dropping a John?

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Speaker 1: I heard the John John. I love that.

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Speaker 4: When did he get so cool?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: When it was when he turned his hat around like this.

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Speaker 2: I can't pull off that look. I cannot pull off.

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Speaker 2: So I mentioned we're going to talk about all the

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Speaker 2: stuff that happened this weekend, but I'm gonna really test

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Speaker 2: you guys, because every Monday we do have to do

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Speaker 2: because Manco Manco is the best of the best. It's

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Speaker 2: where we picked the best Phillies player performance and play

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Speaker 2: from the past week. So, guys, they just lost four

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of options. I was thinking about it earlier,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to throw out College Schwarber, who still

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Speaker 2: had a pretty good week at the plate it. I

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Speaker 2: So I'm taking Kyle Schwarber. But if you guys, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jim's going last. Jim, You're going last. Always.

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Speaker 4: We can always ripple up.

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Speaker 1: I got Ranger Suarez. Man, Ranger Swars had two great starts.

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Speaker 1: You know, he deserves some love after bouncing back. His

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Speaker 1: first start was terrible. He came back and he's throwing

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Speaker 4: I think so four hours, last five have been really good.

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Speaker 1: I mean really really great, not good great.

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Speaker 4: The man knows. The man knows how to get out.

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Speaker 3: He does and when he's healthy, and he's and and uh,

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Speaker 3: I mean listen, he's his percentages. The cool thing about

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Speaker 3: his usage as have have like shifted almost every single start.

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Speaker 1: Like if he has a certain pitch that works for

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Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of what Ranger can do because

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Speaker 1: And that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: You see that.

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Speaker 3: he needs that day, I think Ranger is probably the

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Speaker 3: and especially when he's healthy, and that's what makes him

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Speaker 4: You're welcome. Such a such a good athlete. Do you

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Speaker 4: kicked the soccer ball with him over the years?

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Speaker 1: I have not, but I know he's got some soccer talent.

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Speaker 2: I know that's right. I think soccer the world's game,

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Speaker 3: By the way, Christian Christian Policy Policia. It got that

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Speaker 3: thing on Polisic. Check it out on Netflix. It's a

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Speaker 3: great one. It's a terrific, terrific one. I'm not supposed

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Speaker 1: Into going down as the best American ever to play soccer.

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Speaker 4: Right now, I'm totally in Stanley Cup final mode. But

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Speaker 2: Nice he does. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hey, By the way, I got a lot of love

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Speaker 4: Oh, speaking of smelling, So we've been doing this Manco

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Speaker 1: You're disgusting.

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Speaker 4: like me in bananas. He's two a day, two hits

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Speaker 4: So for the season he's hitting three point thirty eight

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure he's ready. Major jump to the major

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Speaker 1: But I will say this, he's pushing them.

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Speaker 1: That's that's how I would handle that. And I'm sure

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Speaker 4: No no, no, no, the nine hole. Yeah, you put

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Speaker 1: And have here and have on and and go play

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt how good at bats they don't have

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Speaker 4: And I'm not sure that he's ready. It's a tough,

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Speaker 1: It is a tough really really tough because it affects

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Speaker 4: And the Crawford and Crawford kid. You gotta you gotta,

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Speaker 1: Yep. You'll handle it a little bit like the way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim, that's a good one, man.

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Speaker 4: So that's my that's my Uh. Now I'm gonna wash

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Speaker 1: Watch it please.

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Speaker 2: You can smell it from here, my man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can smell you later.

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Speaker 3: that's important to understand. I actually think it's also important

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Speaker 1: This at this particular time.

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Speaker 3: And they just got punched in the mouth. Yeah, four

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Speaker 3: Last year they did sort of coast home, right, they

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Speaker 1: They ran the base as well, they caught the baseball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, their game behind the Mets, Mets right now in

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Speaker 1: But I really like Carlos Mendoza for that team. He's

439
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Speaker 1: put them in the right space.

440
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Speaker 3: Whatever he did and learned when he was with the

441
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Speaker 3: Yankees organization as the bench coach and stuff with Boonie,

442
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 3: really really good at what he's doing. And he's changed

443
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Speaker 3: the culture there because the culture was shitty when I

444
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: was there. These kids didn't know how to win. But

445
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 3: these guys, they they're getting it and their colored.

446
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there will be no coasting this year. The Phillies

447
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: are gonna have to fight to win the division and

448
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 2: maybe even fight to win a wildcard because a lot

449
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: of good teams, A lot of good teams. Yeah, I mean,

450
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: you just the Brewers just swept the Phillies, of course,

451
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: and you know they're a game and a half out

452
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Speaker 2: of the wildcard race.

453
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Speaker 1: Now.

454
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Speaker 2: They won seven in a row, so you have the red.

455
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: You know, the Cardinals, Giants, Padres, Cardinal, Cardinals and Giants

456
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 2: are tied for that last wildcard, so you have you

457
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Speaker 2: have some competition. They're not gonna where they are right now.

458
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: They're not going to be able to do what you say, guys,

459
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: and that's coast into the postseason. They might be. They

460
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: might not clinch anything until that last week of the season,

461
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Speaker 2: so they're gonna have to be on their game, it.

462
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Speaker 1: Might be, which might be a good thing because when

463
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Speaker 1: you start looking back at where they were in twenty

464
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Speaker 1: twenty two, yep, and where they got to. They got

465
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Speaker 1: hot at the right time and there a roll.

466
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Speaker 2: Do you think there was anything to that, Ruben? In

467
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Speaker 2: twenty eleven, remember they lost well at the end of

468
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Speaker 2: the season. They clinched so early and then they lost

469
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Speaker 2: like eight or nine in a row. Jim, you remember

470
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Speaker 2: we were in we were in New York and City Field,

471
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Speaker 2: Charlie Woods.

472
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Speaker 4: They lost eight row.

473
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Speaker 2: He was pissed going into the postseason and then on

474
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Speaker 2: Friday night.

475
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Speaker 1: He wasn't as pissed off as I was.

476
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Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody was very upset with the way they play.

477
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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that's why they they lost the

478
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Speaker 2: Cardinals at five. I'm just saying, you know, maybe there's maybe,

479
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: well people.

480
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: Back we got they got a little exposed, and and

481
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals did a good job of executing against him offensively.

482
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Speaker 4: And you talk about having to grind to the end.

483
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 4: The Cardinals had to grind to the end.

484
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. They got hot as hell. They were

485
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Speaker 1: the hottest team of the planet.

486
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Speaker 4: Right from August. Like I remember writing this a million times,

487
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 4: but like from August twenty five on, they had this.

488
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 4: You know, they were kind of on the fence, and

489
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 4: they went crazy after August twenty fifth and.

490
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Speaker 1: Lost that game against Atlanta. They would have been in

491
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: exactly right.

492
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Speaker 2: So, Jim, you said that, you know, Bryce talked to

493
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Speaker 2: you a little bit about Abel and Painter and Seth Johnson.

494
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Speaker 2: So let's let's go through this. So Mick Abel is

495
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: going to join the rotation on Thursday. Taiwan Walker is

496
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Speaker 2: going to go into the bullpen on a permanent basis,

497
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Speaker 2: permanent for now, and he's going to get a look

498
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Speaker 2: at it as a high leverage late ending reliever. They

499
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Speaker 2: want to see him out Jose Ruiz dfade Seth Johnson,

500
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: who they got exactly said Jose Ruiz had an array

501
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: of over eight, so they're not really losing much there

502
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Speaker 2: in terms of performance. Seth Johnson, who they got last

503
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: season in the Gregor Risoto trade. He started the season

504
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: the rotation. They moved him in the bullpen in part

505
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: because they didn't have many optionable options in the bullpen.

506
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Speaker 2: So set Johnson's going to come up. I don't know

507
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: how long he's going to be here because they have

508
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: to make room for able on the twenty six men

509
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: roster on Thursday. So they're getting to look. They're getting

510
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: a different look at the rotation. They're given some guys

511
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: some looks in the bullpen, meaning Taiwan Walker and set Johnson.

512
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: I mean, really, I think they just got to to me.

513
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: This is like an information gathering stretch before they get

514
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Speaker 2: into the trade deadline. You got to see if Taiwan

515
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: can do it. Number one. They've talked a lot about it.

516
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 2: We think his stuff is going to play up. I

517
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Speaker 2: want to see what he can do in one inning. Well,

518
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: now you gotta do it now. I mean they're going

519
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: to do it now, but you really want to see

520
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: can he actually do it? Can he actually be like this?

521
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 2: You know mid season surprise that helps stabilize the bullpen.

522
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: I mean, guys, the bullpen has a four to six

523
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: five e RA, the ranks twenty fifth in baseball in

524
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: you take out, and that's with Jose Alvarado. You take

525
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: out Jose Alvarado, the bullpenny array is four eight eight,

526
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 2: So they're you know, they're worse. No bueno, no bueno,

527
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 2: So they got to figure it out. What what are

528
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: our expectations for Taiwan Walker, Seth Johnson? You know Mick

529
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Speaker 2: Abel you know when Mickey Mick, Mick is going to

530
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Speaker 2: be in there until Aaron Nola comes back, presumably.

531
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Speaker 4: I I don't know what you're gonna get, but you

532
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 4: mentioned those names, you mentioned the need in the bullpen.

533
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Speaker 4: This is the land of opportunity. If you want to

534
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 4: step up and get out, you will stay. You will

535
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: be here, you will get work, you will be an

536
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 4: important part of something. So you know, Seth Johnson on

537
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 4: paper doesn't look like he's going to be here long.

538
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 4: And but if he has a couple of good games

539
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 4: in Toronto, and if he has to go back to

540
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: Triple A briefly, if he keeps getting out, he'll be

541
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: back here to help at some point. Ditto for Mick Abel.

542
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 4: And if Taiwan Walker wants to go on there and

543
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 4: and spot his fastball and have that good split, maybe

544
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 4: against lefties, he'll get work. So it's just if you

545
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 4: get out, you're gonna get opportunity. So you know, I

546
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 4: I I just I've kind of have my my questions

547
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 4: about how Taiwan's stuff is going to play back there, right,

548
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 4: But he's answered a lot of doubters so far this year,

549
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: keep answering them.

550
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: So I this fascinating to me.

551
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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what I would do if I was

552
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 3: in that seat as far as making those decisions.

553
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: I love the number one. It tells you a lot

554
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: of things.

555
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: One a pretty good depth in their rotation because they

556
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: can bring a guy like able to the big leagues.

557
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: With Nola on the I L and they can bring

558
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 3: him to the big leagues. I feel comfortable that at

559
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: the very least they got a chance to win a

560
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: baseball game.

561
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: That's one.

562
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: It's not a throwaway game, and number two. It also

563
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: gives you a chance to do exactly what you need

564
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: to do, which is to find out whether Taiwan Walker

565
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: can help them in the bullpen because they need somebody

566
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: to hand to hand the ball to in the seventh, eighth,

567
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: and ninth inning. That is not every single day, Strom, Kirkering, Romano.

568
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: Those guys are good like their arms are going to

569
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: fall off at some point if they don't have more

570
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: depth there, and I think that's really important to find

571
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: to find out. I also got to give a lot

572
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: of love to Taiwan Walker because the man earned a

573
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: spot to be in the rotation in spring training. He

574
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: pitched well in this in the rotation, well enough to

575
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: win baseball games for them with like a two to

576
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: six e RA or two eight e RA whatever.

577
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: It was clearly good enough to be able to do

578
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: that job.

579
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: And now he's been bounced around, and uh, he's taking

580
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: it like a real man and a real professional. And

581
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: I think that that he deserves a lot of love

582
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: for that, and I'm hopeful that he that this gives

583
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: him an opportunity, you know, to do what Hawkman did

584
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: to make prolong his you know, and Topper talked about

585
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: this to prolong his life span in the big legs.

586
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: Maybe he becomes a closer, maybe becomes, you know, a

587
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: strong eighth inning guy you can pitch forever.

588
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: He can do that and stay healthy. So he's sort

589
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: of reinvented himself a little bit in the offseason and

590
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: put himself in a position to be here. But for

591
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: him to uh to accept this assignment. Great team player,

592
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: maybe not like some others there, but pretty pretty impressive.

593
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: And I'm really really glad that they're they're they're finding

594
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: out right now because they need to find out. Otherwise

595
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to like go help bent On, go

596
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: and get somebody in the back end. Even I mean,

597
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: they may even try to do that regardless.

598
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: They have to do that, and they have to, they.

599
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: Have to do that, but it will put even more

600
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: pressure on him if if it doesn't really work out,

601
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: they have hard to do that. Yeah, and far as

602
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 3: sept Johnson is concerned, Hey man, blow and go. Let

603
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: this guy just air it out, just like everybody else,

604
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: you know, the Tampa Bay Rays and the Guardians and

605
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: uh the San Francisco Giants. Just get somebody in and

606
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: just blow and go and see if the guy can

607
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: get some people out, throw a hard ass breaking ball

608
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: and a hard ass fastball, and see what you can

609
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: get out of the guy, and see if he can't

610
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: get three outs in an inning.

611
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

612
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Speaker 4: Can I ask you a quick question, do we this

613
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 4: is quite a lengthy sprained ankle for Aaron Nola? It

614
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: would seem to me this seems very much as much

615
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: a break for him physical mental. I actually it in

616
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 4: a reset as much as anything. This is a very

617
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: long twisted ankle.

618
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: It may be, but I talked to I talked to

619
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Speaker 3: him about it. He said it was not progressing all

620
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: that well, like for like a week or so, it

621
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Speaker 3: didn't really get any better, didn't really get worse, but

622
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: it didn't get better. So I had that conversation, is

623
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: it possible that they're trying to reset him and what

624
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: have you?

625
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's possible, and that's fine. That's okay. Yeah,

626
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: that's okay because you got the depth. I mean, if

627
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: they didn't have the depth, maybe they rush him a

628
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: little faster. I don't know, but I mean, listen, he's

629
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: got to be healthy. If his lower half isn't working

630
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: and he can't he can't push off and he can't

631
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: do what he needs to do physically, then he screwed.

632
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: Any player screwed.

633
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: So I think it's, uh, it's important for him to

634
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: be to be one hundred percent when he gets back

635
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: on the mountain competing.

636
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim, I thought the same thing with the ankle.

637
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is this is you know when when

638
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: the first one, I was like, ankle injury, and then

639
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I was like, yeah, he'll be

640
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: back for sure in fifteen days. And now it's obviously

641
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: it's progressed. And uh, he's throwing a ton of innings.

642
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: We know this over the past six, seven, eight years,

643
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 2: and you know, I know Dave Dombrowski and Rob Thompson

644
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: and Ernola have all said, now this his struggles early

645
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: this season have nothing to do with the workload. And

646
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: he's not he's not you know, flaming out or he's

647
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: not tired or whatever. But I think this can only

648
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: potentially help him the final, the final a little.

649
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: Bit of pressure.

650
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: I'm not being critical of it. I'm just wondering, you

651
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: know what the reason, and you know, and I'm fine

652
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: with it. Take a reset, take a deep breath, watch

653
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: some film, get some work in the bullpen, get your

654
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: lower half right, get whatever's in there out of there

655
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: that's bothering you. But it feels like, you know, let's

656
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: not worry about the first month and a half. It

657
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: means's let's let's start over, you know.

658
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: Right right. So Rob Thompson after Sunday's game, he you know,

659
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the weekend, and he talked about

660
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: himself and he said the quote was, I have to

661
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: manage better. And that was specifically in response to the

662
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: sixth and seventh inning on Sunday's game. Left fielder Weston

663
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: Wilson hits in the sixth against Brewers. Righty, Nick mears,

664
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: you wonder well, why didn't Kepler hitting with a one

665
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: run lead. He's a better defender than west and Wilson

666
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: go out there, hit maybe pop one, then go out

667
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: there and run down everything in left field does not happen.

668
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: Because he is the best left fielder in the game

669
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: other than Stephen Kwan.

670
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I mean, yeah, you said that, Reuben.

671
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he's been outstanding in left field, so really

672
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: really good.

673
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: So that said this even jumps out at me more

674
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: because Wes Wilson strikes out in five pitches looking whatever

675
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he strikes out, but then he goes out

676
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: there and plays left field to start the seventh and

677
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: completely misjudges the fly ball that that that starts the

678
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: three run rally. That helps the Brewers sweep the Phillies

679
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: at Citizens Bank Park. Now they're go into that Blue

680
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: Jays series on a four game losing streak.

681
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: That happened, Just say something about that play.

682
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: If he catches that ball, stays out there, he stays

683
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: out there and finishes the seventh.

684
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Or they try to have him finished the seventh.

685
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 4: And there's no traffic on the bases, and get tight

686
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: and that place never even comes about. So you get

687
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 4: the leading lady on, and it changes the entire complexion.

688
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 4: Everybody's changes strategy, it changes the way the pitcher executes

689
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 4: changes in a one run game, everybody's a little tighter.

690
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 4: You got to get that leading lady.

691
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, certain. So Rob Is asked about it yesterday and

692
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: he says, there's a couple of things I'm going to

693
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: have to look back on over today's game and question

694
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: myself over So, uh, you know, you don't hear a

695
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: manager say that too often, because I'm always a believer

696
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: that there's always a there's usually always a good reason

697
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: why a manager does something or a team does something

698
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: during the game. Sometimes those decisions work, Sometimes they don't

699
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: work out. You could bring in a pitcher or a

700
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: pinch hitter and it could be the right decision, and

701
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: the guy could have the crappiest at bad ever or

702
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: could throw the mediest of meatballs down the middle of

703
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: the plate. It doesn't mean it was a bad move.

704
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: It just means that move did not work right. But

705
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: Rob Thompson yesterday and I think everybody said, now, this

706
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: is a move that didn't seem to make much sense

707
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: in the moment. And then you know, he acknowledged it,

708
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: acknowledged it after the game, and then and then the

709
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: other one, of course, I think Jim you alluded to

710
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: it at the top of the show. Was jazus Zzardo

711
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: staying in there on Saturday and getting just absolutely pummeled

712
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: over and over and over, gives up twelve earned runs,

713
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: a career high. You know, watching that game, I'm sitting

714
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: there going, they got to get this guy out there.

715
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: I was talking to a picture in camp last spring

716
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: who had a similar experience in a start, and I'm

717
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: not saying this is going to happen with Hazus a Ard.

718
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: He's a tremendously successful pitcher. But the picture I was

719
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: talking to, I mean, it still haunts the pitcher this day,

720
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: and it's and it haunts him that his manager in

721
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: that game left him out there to die, and the

722
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: pitching coach left him out there to die. And again

723
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's going to happen with Jesus has Art,

724
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: but but that immediately came to my mind.

725
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: You got to get him out of there.

726
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: You got to get him out of there. I know,

727
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: you got to save the bullpen, and you know you

728
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: have you know all, but yeah, figure it out. And

729
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: this is one of your best guys.

730
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 4: It's like it's like when it when a goalie doesn't

731
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: have it in hockey and he gives up three quick ones.

732
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: You got to get him out of there to protect himself,

733
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 4: you know.

734
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, they they got somebody up a little

735
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: tardy there, and I think so many things happened so

736
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: unraveled so quickly when he got thrown out of the

737
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: Thompson got thrown out of the game that I'm not

738
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: sure if they reacted quickly enough around that to be

739
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 3: able to save the guy.

740
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: It's like when, uh, when Patrick Waugh had a really

741
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: bad night years you know, a couple of decades ago

742
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 4: for the Canadians and Mario Trombla and let him, let

743
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: him stay in there to wear it and Patrick Waugh,

744
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: you know, ended up getting ticked off and they had

745
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: to trade him.

746
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: How about just recently in the playoffs that the two shots,

747
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 3: two goals and they pulled their best goalie in the planet.

748
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they don't mess around.

749
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: Shots two goals.

750
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, what game was that?

751
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: I forget what game it was. It just happened. Was

752
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: that the one about I haven't been paying attention. I

753
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: heard about it.

754
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: The Winnipeg goaler he had a tough posts.

755
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a Winnipeg It was like

756
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: a really good goalie.

757
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

758
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: Hell about he had a tough series. Yeah him a.

759
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: Couple of times.

760
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they don't mess around.

761
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: Well, they let Hazes Lozardo stay out there, give up.

762
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean.

763
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: The crazy thing about that now is a week ago

764
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: at this time, we were saying, you know, man, if

765
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: you had if you had a rank like cy young candidates,

766
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, like early front runners or who's in the picture.

767
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: I mean hazus Zardo was leading the National League in war.

768
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 4: He was he was going to start the All Star Game.

769
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: Yes, you could make an argument that Jesus Zarda was

770
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: going to start the All Game. And now he's a

771
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 2: guy that if you look at his numbers and where

772
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: he ranks in the RAA, he went from like two

773
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: to one to what three five over a little over

774
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: three five and now you go, man, if he probably

775
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: won't even make the he probably wouldn't make the All

776
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: Star Game today. If somebody was just looking at a

777
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: stat sheet and saying, who are the best pitchers in

778
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: the first half of the season, you would look at

779
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: thirty guys above him in terms of the era.

780
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: But that's why, to quote Charlie Manuel, you have to

781
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 4: watch the game because you know, I caught out one inning.

782
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: He's an All.

783
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: Star, right, I believe me, a season mate.

784
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: And he has plenty of time to recover too. I mean,

785
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: if he keeps pitching the way he's been pitching, that

786
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: three to five is going to get down back into

787
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: the twes again. And now you're talking about him and

788
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: joining Zach Wheeler and uh, you know on that All

789
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: Star NL All Star Pitching staff So, guys, the Phillies

790
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: open a three game series against the Blue Jays on

791
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: Tuesday night. Ruben, you'll be there announcing it all right,

792
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

793
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: I will be there, and I hope now it's a

794
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: much more entertaining game.

795
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: You know, the Toronto Blue Jays are brought his ship

796
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: right now.

797
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: Funny they faced Milwaukee's how to sell.

798
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: Now they're facing Toronto's how to sell. It's another great test.

799
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sort of glad they're out of the

800
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: country so they can reset maybe right.

801
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: But it won't be no easy task. I mean, this

802
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: Toronto Blue Jays teams all of.

803
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: A sudden, their bats were in the toilet for a while,

804
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: and now all these guys are raking again, just like Milwaukee.

805
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: Milwaukee was in.

806
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: The bottom of every category in baseball coming in and

807
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: they got hot, and they've gotten hot in these last

808
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 3: like a week or so, and they pummeled the Phillies

809
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: and now they got to deal with that in Toronto,

810
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: heads up Milwaukee.

811
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 4: I blame the Brewers Big Weekend on Todd. Todd, yeah,

812
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 4: because he grew up a Brewers fan and he wanted

813
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 4: to have Reee Hoskins on the pod podcast and Todd

814
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 4: sprinkled him with magic dust and he hits two bombs

815
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 4: six RBIs.

816
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: Those on social media can go ahead and crush the

817
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: Todd Savage talk him.

818
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: Reece Hoskins was good talking to us on Friday, though.

819
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: He had a lot of great stuff to say that

820
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: was that was great. If you if you miss checked

821
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: out this episode with Reese, check it out. I loved Well,

822
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: we can get into this in another episode. But he

823
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: talked a lot about us hitting mechanics and some of

824
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: his great Phillies moments, So go check that out. But

825
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: but Phillies in Toronto, I always feel like, well, let's

826
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: let's take away the ninety three World Series. But I

827
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: feel like always, I feel like there's always something crazy

828
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: that happens in Toronto or something memorable that happened. Remember

829
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: the game last year where they got oh mash now

830
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: it was it Taiwan started, They get absolutely like putting

831
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: a seven to nothing hole in the first inning or

832
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: first second inning, and then Kyle Schwarber hits three home

833
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: runs leads into a big victory. I remember there was

834
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: a game they were up huge and then Cliff League

835
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: got absolutely annihilated, like in the seventh inning, they lost in.

836
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 4: That game for Flyn.

837
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: Yes, the first start, right, yes, Zach, first start. I

838
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: remember the Phillies trading Cole Hammils and Jonathan Papple Bond

839
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: when we were in Toronto.

840
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: I remember Jim Jim.

841
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: We're in the tunnel. Jim's on the phone down the way.

842
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: He's trying to find out who got who got traded,

843
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: who the prospects are getting.

844
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm on the phone.

845
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: I'm on the phone trying to get and we're looking

846
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: at each.

847
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: Other and I'll never forget. The bus backed right into

848
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: the building. So the bus is back into the building.

849
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 4: They're spewing out the carbon monoxide. I'm on the phone

850
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: and here comes Cole Hammels around the corner and he's

851
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 4: got his head down, he's got his bags in his hand.

852
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like, literally in real time watching the

853
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 4: end of an era as he's walking to the bus. Yes,

854
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: it'd just been traded. And then Deakman pops out and

855
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 4: he's gone too. It was and Papa Bon didn't show up.

856
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: Yes, sure, that's that's when stuff gets exciting.

857
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 4: It was exciting.

858
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: That's how exciting was as a GM.

859
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 4: Guys so didn't even make it up there he was.

860
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 4: He went home for the day to Mississippi, I think

861
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 4: wherever he lives, and he was gonna fly up and

862
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: rejoin the team because it was an off day before

863
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: and he never makes it into town because he's banking

864
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 4: on getting traded.

865
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: Well, you're yeah, that's one hundred percent right, I remember that. Yeah,

866
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: Papa Bon never showed and were like, I assume he's

867
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he was pretty confident he was going to

868
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: get traded, or he was trying to send a message

869
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: to your room and saying you better trade me because

870
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: I might not be in Toronto that night.

871
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 4: So there you really really?

872
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: Yes?

873
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: Fun, Yeah, there are there. There's always something interesting. Action

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Speaker 2: in Toronto, Yes, a lot of action in Toronto. So

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens this week.

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Speaker 1: We almost fired manager in Toronto at one point.

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Speaker 4: What was that? Oh, oh, hold on, I got to

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Speaker 4: think this through. Was it during our era?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that might have been. That might have been the time.

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Speaker 4: No, come on, you can't you know, you can't. You

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Speaker 4: can't leave the folks hanging on this one. Just let

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Speaker 4: me a little refresh.

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Speaker 1: For the book, Jim.

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Speaker 2: This is a great This is a great podcast. Cliffhanger. Yes, well,

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Speaker 2: come back to you later. Yeah, let's tease it. So

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Speaker 2: Tuesday night we got Zach Wheeler versus Bowden Francis, Wednesday

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Speaker 2: is Christopher Sanchez versus Jose Burrios, and then Thursday, Mick

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Speaker 2: Abel makes a second Major League start against Chris Bassett. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: I think we uh hashed out the terrible weekend it

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Speaker 2: was for the Phils. We'll see what happens later this

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Speaker 2: week when we return.

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Speaker 4: That was enjoyable. I will smell you boys later.

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Speaker 1: Smell you, Jim.

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