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Speaker 1: And we're we're back with a normal format this week

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Speaker 1: by popular demand. I'm Josh Pat. This is the Late

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Speaker 1: Kick Extra podcast. It is Tuesday morning at least when

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Speaker 1: I'm recording February second Hear of Our Lord twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: We are jam packed again with a mail.

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Speaker 1: Bag exclusive addition, you guys have submitted a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of questions. We're backlogged, so we've got material for days

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Speaker 1: and maybe even weeks. However, that doesn't mean you should

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Speaker 1: stop sending them. Joshpat seven zero six at gmail dot com,

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at late Kickjosh, I was perusing, you know

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Speaker 1: how rarely I like to use that word, but I was.

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Speaker 1: I was perusing this morning through the five star reviews,

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Speaker 1: and it turns out we're over thirteen hundred. So I figure,

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Speaker 1: and I know this is lofty, and I know this

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Speaker 2: So that's our benchmark. We always love goals here, let's

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Speaker 2: dowters and detractors out there said we couldn't do it.

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Speaker 2: But you guys had a chip on your shoulder. It

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Speaker 1: It's a big week around here. We've got our National

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Speaker 1: I knew immediately that there was someone who was very foolish,

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Speaker 1: It was basically like a Sean Mullen song the entire

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Speaker 1: Extreme Justin to put a finer point on it, and

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Speaker 2: And why? I thought about this way too long this morning.

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban could easily sell me on Alabama. If I

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Speaker 1: I can't really do that at Oklahoma if I go

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Speaker 1: But if I were to go and I were to

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Speaker 1: who saved Texas football, or you know some iteration of that.

434
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Speaker 1: I'm fine, you guys can get creative with it. But

435
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,040
Speaker 1: the bottom line is I want to go and I'm

436
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Speaker 1: going to create a legacy. I'm all about branding here.

437
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,399
Speaker 1: I want to maximize my value, and so I'm going

438
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Speaker 1: to go win football games. I can control that. As

439
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 1: long as I stay healthy, I'm going to win you games.

440
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Speaker 1: But what I'm also going to do is I'm going

441
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Speaker 1: to win the hearts and minds of an entire people

442
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 1: for an entire generation. And I know I sound very

443
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Speaker 1: political right now, but in a lot of ways it

444
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,880
Speaker 1: is because I cannot play football forever. And so when

445
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm done playing football, I still want to demand good

446
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,119
Speaker 1: seven figure numbers on the speaking circuit and the endorsement circuit.

447
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 1: And I think I can get into broadcasting. But even

448
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Speaker 1: if that falls through and I'm not the next Tony Romo.

449
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Speaker 1: At the very least, I can make my way from

450
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Speaker 1: Denton to m Rillo, to Odessa to Tyler, down to

451
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Speaker 1: Brownsville over to Corpus Christian.

452
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Speaker 2: I can speak at every quarterback club function until the

453
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Speaker 2: end of time.

454
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Speaker 1: And they're going to introduce me as Texas National Championship

455
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Speaker 1: quarterback Josh Pate. I'm going to have a big, fat

456
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Speaker 1: ring on my finger. They're going to have probably life

457
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Speaker 1: size cardboard cutouts of me that I can sign for

458
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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty dollars a pop. And that is

459
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Speaker 1: going to be the lifestyle that I chose to live.

460
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Speaker 1: So as you can tell, I told you I thought

461
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Speaker 1: this through. I'm committing to the University of Texas. Let's

462
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Speaker 1: change the world, all right. Cal has a really good.

463
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Speaker 2: Question coming up.

464
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Speaker 1: I want to take some time on it because I

465
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Speaker 1: think I have a couple of answers for it.

466
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Speaker 2: And it's talking about.

467
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Speaker 1: Kind of a derivative of a segment we did the

468
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Speaker 1: other night where we were talking about stock options and

469
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Speaker 1: we were basically doing a play on what the big

470
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Speaker 1: news in the Wall Street world has been lately, and

471
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Speaker 1: I was talking about the mid to long term futures

472
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Speaker 1: of programs, and I think, to be honest with you,

473
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Speaker 1: I left a couple of programs out. Cal has given

474
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Speaker 1: me a perfect opportunity to include those programs. We'll do

475
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Speaker 1: that right after this. So Cal asks about the future

476
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Speaker 1: of the ACC. Here he says, how long do you

477
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Speaker 1: think it's going to be before there's a legitimate challenger

478
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Speaker 1: to Clemson and NBACC.

479
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Speaker 2: Now Cal didn't really ask about the same.

480
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Speaker 1: Theme that we were doing the other night, but I'm

481
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Speaker 1: going to tie it into the theme that we were doing,

482
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Speaker 1: And so I talked about Texas A and m and

483
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Speaker 1: Penn State and some other programs that I think I

484
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Speaker 1: would buy into.

485
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Speaker 2: Oregon was another one. Programs that are already near.

486
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Speaker 1: The top of the sport, but I still think have

487
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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit higher ceiling than maybe the general

488
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Speaker 1: college football public realizes. Well, in the ACC, there are

489
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Speaker 1: two more that I could have easily included, and I

490
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Speaker 1: just didn't because of time. Miami is one of them.

491
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Speaker 1: Miami is a prisoner of their own initial hype, well,

492
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Speaker 1: at least publicly. Okay, it's not in reality, it's not

493
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Speaker 1: impacting the football program. But if you'll remember when Manny

494
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Speaker 1: Diaz came in there. I remember because I got sucked

495
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Speaker 1: into this just a little bit.

496
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Speaker 2: I think his first game was that game in Orlando.

497
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Speaker 2: I was there.

498
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Speaker 1: It was a turnover fest and it was against Florida.

499
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Speaker 1: It was a standalone game, so they had it like

500
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Speaker 1: a week before everyone else was playing, I think is

501
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: the way they did that. Anyway, he had a pretty

502
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Speaker 1: good roster, so there were a lot of returning guys,

503
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Speaker 1: and it looked like for all the world, Manny Diaz.

504
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Speaker 1: There were people saying he actually could have been better

505
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Speaker 1: in year one than year two, and that was kind

506
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Speaker 1: of what the predictions were. I said that in the

507
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Speaker 1: past tense, but that's kind of what the predictions were.

508
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if I believe that, but I

509
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Speaker 1: did believe that they could pop really really quickly, and

510
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Speaker 1: they just didn't.

511
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Speaker 2: It kind of fizzled. It was like a wet fuse

512
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Speaker 2: sort of deal.

513
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Speaker 1: And so here's what happens when people don't initially live

514
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Speaker 1: up to your expectation. A lot of folks in their

515
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Speaker 1: subconscious mind will just toss them to the side and

516
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Speaker 1: they'll say, all right, well they didn't do it now,

517
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Speaker 1: so they'll never do it. Well, here's the reality, friends, Normally,

518
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Speaker 1: if you get hired as a football coach, it's because

519
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Speaker 1: your predecessor got fired. And normally your predecessor got fired

520
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: because there was something intrinsically wrong with the program. They

521
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Speaker 1: were running to varying degrees, but there was something wrong obviously,

522
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Speaker 1: and if there's something wrong, by default, that means there's

523
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Speaker 1: something that needs to be fixed.

524
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Speaker 2: And it's very hard.

525
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Speaker 1: To walk in and fix something and simultaneously win right

526
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Speaker 1: off the bat. So, just in general, Manny Diaz had

527
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Speaker 1: an uphill battle there. And I'm not talking about him

528
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Speaker 1: comparing to Clemson, but just making Miami competitive in general

529
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Speaker 1: in the short term.

530
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Speaker 2: It was going to be hard.

531
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Speaker 1: But have we made the mistake to possibly throw them

532
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Speaker 1: to the side because Miami doesn't really enter people's minds

533
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Speaker 1: when we talk about the next five years in college football,

534
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Speaker 1: and maybe they should because if you'll look at what

535
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Speaker 1: they've done with their coaching staff, it hasn't been Grand

536
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: Slam after Grand Slam. It's just been single single, double,

537
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Speaker 1: single double. But they're adding really good pieces. They're stacking

538
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Speaker 1: good recruiting classes on top of each other. Their current

539
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: class is ranked twelfth. They've still got some room to

540
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Speaker 1: add guys that they want to this Wednesday tomorrow. In

541
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Speaker 1: other words, make sure you tune into the National Signing

542
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Speaker 1: Day show. And there may not be but a few

543
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: programs in America a better position to capitalize off name,

544
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: image and likeness when it finally comes around than Miami.

545
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Speaker 1: So if you're looking at where they are right now

546
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Speaker 1: and then you look at what the bypoint could be

547
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: relative to the future, Miami could be very well positioned.

548
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: And I'll give you another one for similar reasons in

549
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: their conference that could be positioned this way. And I've

550
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: talked about them a lot more. It's Georgia Tech, Georgia

551
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: texa program unlike Miami that doesn't really even have national

552
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: expectation tied to the program. You think Georgia Tech football.

553
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: If you're a casual college football fan, you think academic institution.

554
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Speaker 1: They got a football program, but because of the academics,

555
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Speaker 1: they can never really compete with the big boys.

556
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Speaker 2: That's what you think about them.

557
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Speaker 1: I mean, most of you are probably nodding your head

558
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: right now, and it's understandable why you would think that way.

559
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the ceiling for Georgia Tech football.

560
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Speaker 1: I think Georgia Tech football is probably one of the

561
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: most undervalued programs relative to their potential in America.

562
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Speaker 2: Now, I've talked about this.

563
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Speaker 1: Many times, so I won't go down that entire road again,

564
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Speaker 1: but I'm a believer that Jeff Collins when he first

565
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Speaker 1: came in, looked around and realized it's obviously a multi

566
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Speaker 1: year rebuild.

567
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Speaker 2: Now, if Jeff Collins were to.

568
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Speaker 1: Have walked in Ole Miss and he was coming in

569
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Speaker 1: off the heels of Paul Johnson, it would be the

570
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Speaker 1: same way. When you add in the fact that you

571
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Speaker 1: do have those added academic filters in place, and you

572
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Speaker 1: have to overturn a personnel rostering entirely from the triple

573
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Speaker 1: option to what you want to do. Then yes, you

574
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Speaker 1: can understand, you can come in and you can sell

575
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: hope and vision, But then there's gonna be this wasteland.

576
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: There's going to be this drought period and you're finally

577
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: trying to get over the hump and look at an

578
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: oasis down the road. But it's going to take a

579
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: little while. And I knew that was going to happen

580
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: when he came in, and I immediately gravitated towards him

581
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: because I started getting feedback from high school coaches in

582
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Speaker 1: Georgia that said, that's the guy man.

583
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: He understands the dynamic at Georgia Tech. He gets it.

584
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: Just trust us. He gets it. Previous staff did not.

585
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Speaker 1: Staffs prior really did not. He understands that you got

586
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Speaker 1: to harness Atlanta. It's why they throw four h four

587
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: area code there over everything they can. It's like a

588
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: bumper sticker that won't go away, but in a good way.

589
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Jeff Collins came in and he made a lot of noise.

590
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Speaker 1: He got a lot of people's attention. But here's what

591
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: he knew. He knew I got to make enough noise

592
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Speaker 1: as much as I can, really initially, because this is

593
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Speaker 1: going to be a couple of years. We're going to

594
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Speaker 1: start having to play football and we're going to lose.

595
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Speaker 1: I mean that's there's no way to there's no way

596
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: around that we're gonna lose. But we have to maintain

597
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: the energy off the field, and we have to maintain

598
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: the energy in our marketing approach to branding Georgia Tech

599
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: and Atlanta. Make it synonymous and capitalize. That's when I

600
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: talk to him in the spring. He was big on

601
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: this capitalize. Make the things that people think are our weaknesses,

602
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: like the academic hurdles, don't make them hurdles at all,

603
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: make them opportunities. For instance, in a normal year where

604
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Speaker 1: you can have kids visit, there is a certain sort

605
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Speaker 1: of imaginary fence that you can put around your campus.

606
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many miles it is, but when

607
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Speaker 1: you bring kids on campus, there's this certain distance that

608
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: you can take them off campus where you know it's

609
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: still like your official visit. Well, Georgia Tech happens to

610
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Speaker 1: be in downtown Atlanta, and so very very easily you

611
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: can get to that area where all those high rises

612
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: are in downtown Atlanta, and they're full of millionaires and

613
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: a lot of them graduated from Georgia Tech. And so

614
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Speaker 1: if I'm, for instance, planning a recruiting visit, whereas if

615
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Speaker 1: I were to bring you to Auburn, or if I

616
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: were to bring you to Kentucky, we would do just

617
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: normal college football things. If I bring you to Atlanta,

618
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: g yay, I can take you down to a high

619
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: rise and take you up to the thirty second floor

620
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: and walk you in an office maybe bigger than your house,

621
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Speaker 1: and I could say, hey, don't listen to me, listen

622
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: to this guy, talk about what a Georgia Tech degree

623
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Speaker 1: can do, and then I'll take you over here to

624
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: this high rise or there are may be twelve more

625
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: people on this floor alone who can.

626
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: Attest to this.

627
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: Make the degree an added weapon in your arsenal that

628
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna have when you walk out of here. You've

629
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: got your own physical potential. But when you walk out

630
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: of here with one of these degrees, let me keep

631
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: reminding you, our average graduate is a millionaire. Our average

632
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: graduate is earning seven figures over the course of the

633
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: next few years when you get out of here. So

634
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: even if it doesn't work out in the NFL, just

635
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: go print money for the rest of your life. I

636
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: think that is a great sell. And you don't have

637
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: to sign three hundred kids per cycle. Let me remind

638
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: you again, you got to go find twenty five of them.

639
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: You're in one of the most talent rich states in America.

640
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: You're in one of the most talent rich cities area

641
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: codes Erica. You don't really even have to leave home

642
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: if you don't want to.

643
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: You can find enough.

644
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: Kids who have it in the classroom and also have

645
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: it on the field where you can create a very

646
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: competitive product at Georgia Tech.

647
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: So you give me Miami, you give me.

648
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, and I would feel pretty good about my

649
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: future in the ACC. I'm not taking Clemson to the

650
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: wire next year necessarily, but I think over time, if

651
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily focused on Clemson and I just focus

652
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Speaker 1: on me, who knows, maybe we build a product in

653
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: Miami or Atlanta that can be competitive with the Clemson Tigers.

654
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: Doesn't happen overnight, though. Didn't happen at Clemson overnight, so

655
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen here overnight. All right, We'll

656
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Speaker 1: get two final questions here. One of them I'm going

657
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: to push down the road. So Joe, he asked me,

658
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: and the Joe, I don't know if you're serious about

659
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: this or if you're just kind of a sadistic Georgia

660
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: fan that wants to be entertained. Either way, I think

661
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: it's bright. But Joe asked, can you do a quick

662
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: history of the Tennessee coaches from Fulmer to today? I

663
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: have a hard time keeping up with all the drama

664
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: there have seemed to have been so many. Well, Joe,

665
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: you are right, your mind's not playing tricks on you. However,

666
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: I already have this planned as sort of a post spring.

667
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: Remember we don't use the O word off season. We

668
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: can whisper it, we don't say it out loud. I

669
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Speaker 1: am going to do this in not necessarily an episodic format,

670
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: but I want to take my time on this. Let

671
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: me just put it that way. So we're going to

672
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Speaker 1: do something along these lines post spring, so stay tuned

673
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Speaker 1: for that. Kevin wraps us up this morning. Kevin said,

674
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Speaker 1: you always say you prefer the G five having their

675
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: own playoff as opposed to kind of hodgepodging their way

676
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: into the conversation with Power five programs, and there's no

677
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: real equity in the sport.

678
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: Therefore there's no way to do that. I was adding

679
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Speaker 2: that in that's not Kevin. Kevin continues.

680
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Speaker 1: Now he says, don't get me wrong, I'd love to

681
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: watch a G five playoff, but as a diehard fan

682
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: of a G five team, it makes me nervous.

683
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: The divide between Power five and G five would only grow.

684
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Speaker 1: Kevin, I've talked about this before many times, and you're right, Okay,

685
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: your premise is right. There is a distinct possibility that

686
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: it would extend the gap between G five and P five.

687
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think, and this is where I differ

688
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: from many people. I don't think involving them in the

689
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: current landscape, involving them in the current college football playoff conversation,

690
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it really shrinks the gap all that much.

691
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: I think what shrinks the gap and we can kind

692
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: of go long on this, but to condense it, what

693
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: shrinks the gap between G five and P five is

694
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: really having a deeper conversation about what those terms mean.

695
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: Because I got to be honest with you, as I'm

696
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: doing some of my off season research, I think one

697
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: of the areas that maybe I'm going to personally alter

698
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: about the way I approach this is not lazily lumping

699
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Speaker 1: every team into a G five or P five category,

700
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: because here's the fact of the matter. The fact of

701
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: the matter is the top of G five, which is

702
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: not a conference, it's kind of a group of conferences.

703
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: The top of the G five heavily overlaps the bottom

704
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: of the P five, and so there are a lot

705
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Speaker 1: of coattail bandwagon type programs out there that are enjoying

706
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: that P five status that if I dropped them into

707
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: the American Athletic Conference tomorrow couldn't finish higher than fifth

708
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: and finish higher than seventh or eight, and they'd get

709
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: run over in that conference, just like they do in

710
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: their own conferences. And so the problem is a conference

711
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: like the PAC twelve until USC steps up and Oregon's

712
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: doing their part, but until other programs step up on

713
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: a multi year basis, not just one year in the

714
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of a COVID situation where expectations are exceeded for

715
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: who knows what reason. Until that happens, I'm not so

716
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: sure the AAC doesn't compare very favorably with the PAC twelve.

717
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: And I'm not so sure to put a finer point

718
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: on it. If I started twenty twenty one with an

719
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Speaker 1: open season challenge, and I took the entire conference, with

720
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve and the entire American Athletic Conference, and

721
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Speaker 1: I were to match them up seed for seed one

722
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: on one, two on two, three on three, who would

723
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Speaker 1: you bet your money on, Because I'm not so sure

724
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't roll with the AAC, And that, to me,

725
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: by the way, would mean a whole lot more than

726
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: Bowl records would That would that would be a brilliant

727
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: case study. I know you can never arrange that, but

728
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: if you could, it would be fascinating. So I'm not

729
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: so sure. The question that's bagged out of that entire

730
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: scenario is what are we really doing with the P

731
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: five sticker and the G five sticker? What are we

732
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: really doing there? Are we really properly categorizing the sport

733
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: of college football? And the reason that I say that

734
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: in relation to this question about whether there should be

735
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: a separate G five playoff from the Power five, the

736
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: question could be this. The question could be if we

737
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Speaker 1: are and let's just for a second, let's say we

738
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Speaker 1: assume we are. Let's say in a year we think

739
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: collectively the American Athletic Conference is stronger than the PAC twelve. Well,

740
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: if that's the case, maybe I should value the team

741
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: that comes out of the AAC higher than I should

742
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: the team that comes out of the PAC twelve. And

743
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: I'll give you another one, and this is going to

744
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: kind of really blow you sideways for a second, but

745
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: if I were to take you to Clemson South Carolina

746
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: and I showed you the Tigers schedule this coming year,

747
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: they're good because they have the national profile, and they

748
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: have the established resume and track record, and they open

749
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: against Georgia.

750
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: But if Clemson were to lose against.

751
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: Georgia to start the twenty twenty one season, They've got

752
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: one of the weakest remaining schedules out of any Power

753
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: five team. And I'm telling you right now again, I

754
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: don't know how it'll play out. I'll have to see

755
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: the season. But as I sit here in early February,

756
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: as I look at clemson schedule, if they were to

757
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: lose against Georgia in Week one, and I'm sitting here

758
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: in a normal year telling you I don't believe G

759
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: five teams should be in because their strength of schedule

760
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: does not warrant serious consideration. I may very well have

761
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: to look at Clemson knowing they're one of the four

762
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: best teams but have lost a game, and think to

763
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: myself the exact same thing I think about Cincinnati or

764
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: Boise State or Central Florida any given year. Yeah, the

765
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: team's good enough, But if I'm a believer that you

766
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: have to meet a certain baseline requirement of strength of schedule, Clemson.

767
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: May not meet it.

768
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Speaker 1: They better beat Georgia's what I'm telling you now, that's

769
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: in my Mind's I in reality, you and I both know,

770
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: and this is where you guys have a legitimate gripe.

771
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: There's favoritism shown there because if Clemson were to lose

772
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: close to Georgia, but then they went out and they

773
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: win their conference, they'll be in the playoff. They'll have

774
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: an entire season to build that strength back up and

775
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: build that momentum back up, and by the end of

776
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Speaker 1: the year, you'd be able to.

777
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: Say, well, if we played Georgia again today, we'd beat him.

778
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, YadA. So yeah, I think that would happen. However,

779
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: you didn't ask what the committee should do. You asked

780
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: what I would do, and I wouldn't even focus so much,

781
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: I think anymore. And this is kind of my mentality

782
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: moving forward. I don't know that I'm going to focus

783
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: so much on talking about G five playoff P five

784
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: playoff in college football playoff. What I think we may

785
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: need to do is we may need to start reassessing

786
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: the bottom third of that Power five logo and the

787
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: top third of that G five logo and wonder if

788
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: there may be some more cross pollination going on here

789
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: than we previously understood. Because I'll tell you to wrap

790
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: up here. One more thing that's changed. It was on

791
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: perfect display at the beginning of this year when a

792
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: lot of the Sun Belt teams played some big twelve

793
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: teams and really owned them.

794
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: And what happened was I.

795
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: Think Louisiana versus Iowa State was a perfect example. Fifteen

796
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: years ago, twenty years ago even, and that's pretty recently,

797
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. But twenty years ago, every

798
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: Sun Belt game wasn't on TV, and so you had

799
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: grown up in an era, and thirty forty.

800
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Speaker 2: Years ago especially, this was true.

801
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: If you were a primetime player, one of the best

802
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: in America, you had to go to certain programs to

803
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: maximize your exposure. Good players want to go to big

804
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: programs so they can play on TV, get seen, go

805
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: to the league, make money, and have generational wealth. That's

806
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: the typical track that you want to take. Well, twenty

807
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: five thirty years later, what's happened is everybody, because of

808
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: all these TV contracts, is on TV every week. If

809
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: I play at Troy, I'm on TV multiple times a year.

810
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: If I play at Auburn, I'm on TV every year.

811
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Speaker 1: And those two programs are separated by about an hour,

812
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: hour and a half. But yet I can kind of

813
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: accomplish the same thing at both programs. It's a different

814
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: caliber program, but I can accomplish the same thing. So

815
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: here's what I'm saying. If I'm a low four star

816
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: receiver from Thibodeaux, Louisiana high three star, low four star

817
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: back in the day, if Iowa State were to offer

818
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: me a scholarship and Louisiana offers me a scholarship, I'm

819
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: taking the Iowa State because Iowa State is well, let's

820
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: apply modern principles.

821
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: They are a Big twelve program.

822
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: That means they are in a Power five conference, which

823
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: means they are on TV every week. And Louisiana Lafayette,

824
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: as we would call it back then, not so much. Well,

825
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: now Louisiana Lafayette is every bit as visible as Iowa

826
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: State is. And so what you're asking me now is

827
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: all things are equal. What would I rather do go

828
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: down the road to play college football and warm weather

829
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: or go to a place called Iowa which if I

830
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: grew up in Thibodau, Louisiana might as well be Russia.

831
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: What would I rather do? I'd rather stay home. I'm

832
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: not the only one who's felt that way. A lot

833
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: of other players have. That's why when you looked at

834
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: that Iowa State roster versus that Louisiana roster. Not only

835
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: did they look way more comparable than you expected, that

836
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: Louisiana team may have looked even better than that Iowa

837
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: State team even though one was G five and one

838
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: was P five and at the top of P five.

839
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: Iowa State finished the season top ten. Remember, so this

840
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: was not a situation where you're playing some also ran

841
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna never make a bowl game. That is what's happened,

842
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: and that is what has added a lot of juice

843
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: to the top levels of the G five. And that's

844
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: why there's a lot more cross pollination and a lot

845
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: more meshing to where it's not nearly as clean cut

846
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: as all right, the best G five team falls right

847
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: in line power ranking, right below the worst P five team.

848
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: That's not the way that works. So I think that's

849
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: the conversation as we enter the word off season. That's

850
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: probably conversation. We're going to have a lot more. That

851
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