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Speaker 1: Stinking.

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Speaker 2: Break repairs are such a critical part of water repair,

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Speaker 2: and it seems like in the day and age of computerization,

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Speaker 2: breaks are still something that everybody does and whether you're

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Speaker 2: a professional or a do it yourselfer, you need to

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Speaker 2: do it correctly. I mean, let's face it, you know

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Speaker 2: that old adage, what's stopping you and they talk about

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Speaker 2: your breaks? Well, we've gathered up Scott Brownstein. He is

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Speaker 2: the senior technical manager over there at CRC Industries. Scott,

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Speaker 2: I said that name right right, yes, and he's going

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Speaker 2: to help us today talking about some of the important

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Speaker 2: things about break maintenance and repair. Scott, Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Car Doctor.

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Speaker 3: Sir, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to

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Speaker 3: be here.

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Speaker 1: You're very welcome. You know.

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Speaker 2: I always think about there was an ad in the seventies,

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Speaker 2: maybe the eighties, early eighties where they showed the difference

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Speaker 2: of doing breaks, and I think it might have been

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Speaker 2: CRC that actually had the print dead where they showed

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Speaker 2: a picture of two mechanics working on cars and one,

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Speaker 2: you know, was doing a perfectly, you know, very nice

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Speaker 2: clean brake repair. The rotors were clean, and the other

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Speaker 2: guy had grease all over the place and you know,

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Speaker 2: there her fingerprints on the brake pads, and you know,

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Speaker 2: and they stressed the importance of cleanliness. That's that's fifty

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Speaker 2: years ago. Cleanliness on breaks. It's just so important, you know,

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Speaker 2: state the obvious, Scott tell us, why let's start here.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you do not want any grease, grime, oil on

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Speaker 3: any of the friction material surfaces, the front of the

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Speaker 3: brake pads where it contacts the rotor, the drums, the shoes,

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Speaker 3: any of those contaminants. When you do your first initial

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Speaker 3: bed in, you can actually just ruin a set of

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Speaker 3: pads and ruggers just by burning those oils into it.

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Speaker 3: And it's so important to use a good break parts

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Speaker 3: cleaner to make sure all those areas are spotless during

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Speaker 3: your assembly.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about that for a quick second.

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Speaker 1: You used a term bed in.

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Speaker 2: Boy, I haven't heard that in a million years, but

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Speaker 2: it's absolutely spot on. What is bed in? Explain that

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Speaker 2: real quick.

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Speaker 3: So when you have a brand new set of pads

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Speaker 3: and rotors, just it's a relationship. So you want those

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Speaker 3: two materials to wear in together into each other and

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Speaker 3: you go out and most people don't read the instructions

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Speaker 3: anymore nowadays, but most the brake pads have a bet

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Speaker 3: in procedure where you go out and you do so

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Speaker 3: many stops stop to zero, but from fifty down to twenty,

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Speaker 3: and you repeat that a handful of time. So you

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Speaker 3: put some heat into the brakes, you lay them the

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Speaker 3: cooled off, and you actually get those two friction services

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Speaker 3: to marry to one another.

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Speaker 2: Now, CRC and I've been using CRC products full disclosure

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Speaker 2: here since the late seventies. I remember red, white, and

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Speaker 2: black cans in all of my repair base. CRC offers

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Speaker 2: a non chlorinated break clean That was a big deal

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Speaker 2: when that came out. So why would someone want to

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Speaker 2: use that? What's the importance of a non chlorinated break cleaner?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? So it comes down to government regulations and all

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Speaker 3: the different states have different rules for what chemicals you

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Speaker 3: can put into products. So some states you're allowed to

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Speaker 3: use stronger chemicals, other states you have to use weaker chemicals.

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Speaker 3: And that's really due to VOC's and small contributing compounds,

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Speaker 3: so on and so forth, and.

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Speaker 2: It's so it's a little better for you to use

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Speaker 2: a non chlorinated break cleaner.

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Speaker 1: Is that a misstatement?

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Speaker 2: Is that a childhood myth?

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Speaker 3: No, it's a step in the right direction because chlorinated

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Speaker 3: products too, they can contaminate waste oil and things like that,

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Speaker 3: and certain states even ban the use of chlorinated products.

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Speaker 3: Son or you can get in every state depending on

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Speaker 3: what are the government restrictions for it.

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Speaker 2: What leads to break noise? And let me preface that question,

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Speaker 2: because this is a common complaint, right, I just did

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Speaker 2: breaks and they're noisy? Did I use too much break clean?

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Speaker 2: You know how many times a week I get that question?

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Speaker 2: And that's not really it. Break clean is actually the

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Speaker 2: safest thing you can use on a break repair. The

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Speaker 2: guys using carburetor cleaner or fuel injection cleaner on the

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Speaker 2: doing it wrong.

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Speaker 1: Aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Some of those products could have oils and other

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Speaker 3: contaminants and them break parts cleaner is the right tool

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Speaker 3: for the job because it's going to leave no ris

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Speaker 3: to do behind. Instruments dry really quickly. Now. Break noise, though,

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Speaker 3: can be contributed to other things I've in the past,

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Speaker 3: in my past life when I was a dealership technician,

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Speaker 3: I've had a couple comebacks as well. You know, no

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Speaker 3: one's protected from having a comeback once in a blue moon.

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Speaker 3: We try to avoid it, and break squeal is very possible,

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Speaker 3: and what can happen sometimes is you actually get chatter

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Speaker 3: and movement of the brake pad against the caliber, and

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Speaker 3: it causes a frequency vibration. So there's a product out

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Speaker 3: there we may call this break quiet, and it's actually

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Speaker 3: like a tacky gel once it sets up. So you

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Speaker 3: put it on the back of the brake pads, the

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Speaker 3: non friction side, and you're only going to draw all

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Speaker 3: the day out in a little squeeze. But all we

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Speaker 3: sell it in just where the caliber is going to

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Speaker 3: contact that, let it sit for five minutes, tack up,

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Speaker 3: put the car back together, and that is actually going

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Speaker 3: to dampen and absorb and prevent that frequency vibration from

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Speaker 3: a reoccurring, and you have nice quiet breaks again.

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Speaker 2: You know, I always, I always equate that frequency vibration,

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Speaker 2: and that's that's a great way to put it. I

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Speaker 2: always explain it to people at the counter that the

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Speaker 2: reason we use this break quiet, the little orange bottle

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Speaker 2: is it It's like remember at your high school prom

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Speaker 2: when you were bored and you don't know what to say

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Speaker 2: to your date and the water glass was half full

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Speaker 2: and you're in your finger around the top and if

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Speaker 2: you did it enough times and fast enough, it would

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Speaker 2: start to distort and make sound. And you thought it

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Speaker 2: was the cool thing to do at seventeen. And that's

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Speaker 2: sort of what that's sort of what the brakes are doing.

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Speaker 2: They're they're finding that frequency point and it just becomes

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Speaker 2: a distortion and you're hearing it in the brake squeal.

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Speaker 2: And that's what the disc break quiet is doing, right,

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Speaker 2: It's absorbing that and keeping the pad from shifting around

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Speaker 2: so it doesn't chatter. So to speak exactly, carbon, I

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Speaker 2: want to I want to jump around a little bit

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Speaker 2: and I want to you know, since I have you,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about, you know,

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Speaker 2: fuel system cleaning if I can real quick, I want

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Speaker 2: to jump into that. You know, carbon is a big

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Speaker 2: issue on today's engines. And I didn't realize you were

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Speaker 2: dealer tech, so I'm sure you've got some dealer tech stories.

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Speaker 1: About the cars you saw.

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Speaker 2: Carbon becomes a problem, and you know today's vehicles everything

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Speaker 2: is GDI right, gasoline direct injection, So everybody wants to

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Speaker 2: know fuel system cleaning and how to go about it,

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Speaker 2: and why is carbon such a problem.

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Speaker 1: Today, can you tell us absolutely?

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Speaker 3: So with gasleen direct injection, we're able to get better

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Speaker 3: fuel economy, better performance in a smaller displacement engine. But

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Speaker 3: we're bringing back an old school problem in these prank

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Speaker 3: case vapors come back around through the PCV system. We're

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Speaker 3: having these oil vapor deposits land on the intake valves

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Speaker 3: that are hot, and they're immediately carbonizing up because the

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Speaker 3: intake manifolds plastics of the oil is not sticking there.

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Speaker 3: It's going to stick onto the metal down the path

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Speaker 3: and we're not having fuel injectors up in the port

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Speaker 3: anymore washing over and clean that carbon off the valve,

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Speaker 3: so they're they're packing up, it gets gummy and then

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Speaker 3: it starts causing all these other drivability issues. So cleaning

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Speaker 3: down and emulsify that carbon and allow it to come

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Speaker 3: off these intake valves. Another thing is is that now

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Speaker 3: back in the day, you used to use a fuel

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Speaker 3: tank additive which would clean the carbon off these valves.

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Speaker 3: Even though it doesn't work on the intake valves. Today,

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Speaker 3: it's still really important to do that because with these

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Speaker 3: direct injection engines, we're using the fuel to cool down

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Speaker 3: the cylinder before the next combustion event. And if these

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Speaker 3: little tiny pindles on the injectors they get clogged up

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Speaker 3: with carbon and then you're not getting a complete cone

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Speaker 3: hot spots and predetonation. So using a good fuel injection

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Speaker 3: cleaner is still important today, even on today's vehicles.

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Speaker 2: You make a good point, Scott. And when we come back,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about using tank cleaner and its

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Speaker 2: effects on catalytic converters. All right, let's pull over, take

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Speaker 2: a pause. I'm ronning any in the car. Doctor. I'm

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Speaker 2: here with Scott Brownstein of CRC Industries, and we'll both

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Speaker 2: return right after this.

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Speaker 1: Don't go away.

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Speaker 3: A thousand dollars card ain't worth nothing.

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Speaker 1: We are back.

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Speaker 2: And before we pulled away and took the pause, Scott

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Speaker 2: Brownstein and I we were talking. Scott's from the CRC Industries.

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Speaker 2: He's the senior technical manager over there.

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Speaker 1: Scott.

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Speaker 2: The question that was coming up. We were talking about

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Speaker 2: fuel tank at it is.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: This is a conversation that started about breaks, and I

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Speaker 2: purposely you're blindsided you hearing I'm sorry we're talking fuel

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Speaker 2: systems all of a sudden, because I know CRC's history

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Speaker 2: with fuel systems too. Tank editives is where the conversation

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Speaker 2: was headed. There's a reason beyond the engine why we

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Speaker 2: put a tank editive and a fuel tank system cleaner,

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Speaker 2: because that helps the catalytic converter too.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so, anything that is coming out of the engine

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Speaker 3: has to pass through that catalytic converter, and there are

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Speaker 3: things that we can do to help clean the catalytic converter,

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Speaker 3: promote a healthy catalytic converter, and make sure that it

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Speaker 3: gets the full designed life out of it. So it's

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Speaker 3: not just even just a passing your emissions test. And

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Speaker 3: that's what most people related to is, Oh, it's that

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Speaker 3: do this. You should be doing this a couple times

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Speaker 3: a year so you don't get to that point of oh, BOYD,

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Speaker 3: now that check engine lights on. I have that forts one,

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Speaker 3: that four point thirty code, and I got to go

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Speaker 3: for my emissions testing in two weeks. You know, and

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Speaker 3: then there's that panic that sets it.

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Speaker 2: So that fuel system cleaner, you know, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: there's some proprietary blends of stuff in there that CRC uses.

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Speaker 2: They it basically it attacks the lack of a better

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Speaker 2: way to say it, and correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 2: but it attacks the crud and the catalytic converter and helps.

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Speaker 1: Keep the the the you know.

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Speaker 2: The structure of the cat active so it stays clean

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Speaker 2: and it's efficient and it does its job correct. Yes, exactly,

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Speaker 2: so vehicle emissions testing because you brought it up, so

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Speaker 2: you know, doing tank additive is good preventative maintenance, and

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Speaker 2: that's also part of that Tank editive is also part

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Speaker 2: of the CRC GDI service pack if we're doing a

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Speaker 2: fuel system cleaning, which is where that conversation started, right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: so that tank additive part of that pack, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure it's available separately, does a good job cleaning the cat.

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Speaker 2: But then there's something else you guys have which I've

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Speaker 2: always wanted to ask somebody from CRC about. You've got

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Speaker 3: Guaranteed to pass, so that is specifically formulate for cleaning

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that is something that you want to make

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Speaker 2: QD Contact Cleaner. That CRC makes you know, there's more

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Speaker 2: Now, now suffice it to say that mass airflow sensors,

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Speaker 3: Exactly, mass airflow sensors are so sensitive that the QD

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Speaker 3: it's actually a very specific, unique formulation for cleaning maf sensors.

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Speaker 2: Cool means Scott. It's been a pleasure, sir. Where can

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Speaker 2: great rest of the weekend and we'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: against soon. Thanks for taking the time. I'm Ronning any

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