1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560
Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

2
00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,440
Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

3
00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,639
Speaker 2: Dan eckerdback with us psychic medium, occultist, expert, seance host.

4
00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,800
Speaker 2: He loves interesting books on spirit communication, magic and ritual

5
00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,919
Speaker 2: workings and the ways in which the occult has influenced

6
00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,240
Speaker 2: everyday life. He hosts seances with his wife Kat, performs

7
00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:28,200
Speaker 2: psychic readings, enjoys lecturing on all things related to the occult, Crossroads,

8
00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,000
Speaker 2: entities and spirit communication websites linked up at Coast TOCOASTAM

9
00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,440
Speaker 2: dot com. Dan, welcome back.

10
00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,560
Speaker 3: How have you been George. It's great to hear from you.

11
00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:38,839
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having.

12
00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,440
Speaker 2: Me looking forward to this. How did you get started

13
00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,440
Speaker 2: in dabbling with the occult?

14
00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I grew up in a haunted house and

15
00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,360
Speaker 3: it seemed like maybe the easiest way, or the best

16
00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,240
Speaker 3: way to get some results in dealing with the things

17
00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,040
Speaker 3: that were terrifying me was to learn more about them.

18
00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,680
Speaker 3: And that started in a reader's digest book The Great

19
00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,840
Speaker 3: Mysteries of the twentieth Century, which of course you know,

20
00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,640
Speaker 3: featured Alistair Crowley and the Pyramids and spontaneous combustion and

21
00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,039
Speaker 3: and all of those things. And that's what started my

22
00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,200
Speaker 3: journey of thinking like, well, wait a second, what is

23
00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,800
Speaker 3: this magic that people are talking about, and will this

24
00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,680
Speaker 3: help me with my ghost issue?

25
00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,440
Speaker 2: I think I read that same Reader's Digest issue and

26
00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,080
Speaker 2: it was fantastic, wasn't.

27
00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I mean it totally captured my imagination.

28
00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,800
Speaker 2: And you do exorcisms as well. I thought that was

29
00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,080
Speaker 2: just relegated to a Catholic priest.

30
00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, that's a really great question, and that's

31
00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,800
Speaker 3: really the thing that people think of. I think of

32
00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,280
Speaker 3: that nineteen seventies horror movie The Exorcist, and I think

33
00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,640
Speaker 3: there's a lot of drama in that certainly, And the

34
00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,200
Speaker 3: Catholic Church has always been one of the louder Christian

35
00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,960
Speaker 3: proponents of exorcism, but there are a great many different

36
00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,480
Speaker 3: traditions that deal with exercising or removing spirits, and occultism

37
00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,800
Speaker 3: or the practice of Derek or a cult philosophy is

38
00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,680
Speaker 3: one of the main bedrocks of where we get our

39
00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,400
Speaker 3: kind of technology that we use for exorcism.

40
00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,760
Speaker 2: Dan tell us a little bit about your understanding of

41
00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,000
Speaker 2: possessions and what that is and who is the possessor or.

42
00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, when we talk about stuff like you know,

43
00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,239
Speaker 3: you mentioned the Catholic Church. There's a tendency for people

44
00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,600
Speaker 3: to think that possession is purely some kind of Satanic

45
00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,720
Speaker 3: entity or maybe even Satan himself in the in the

46
00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,480
Speaker 3: Exorcist horror film. But when we talk about possession, we

47
00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,680
Speaker 3: really look at this from the lens of well, what

48
00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,280
Speaker 3: are spirits and what do the spirits that are involved

49
00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,880
Speaker 3: in a possession or involved in taking up space where

50
00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,480
Speaker 3: they should not be? Why are they there and what

51
00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,399
Speaker 3: specifically are they Now there are a great deal of

52
00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,959
Speaker 3: spirit lists that have been accumulated by people studying the

53
00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,880
Speaker 3: occulta or studying demons and angels and trying to figure

54
00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,280
Speaker 3: out a cosmology of where these things sit, like who's

55
00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,680
Speaker 3: in charge of these beings or entities. But that logic

56
00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,320
Speaker 3: begins to break down even further when we begin to

57
00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,240
Speaker 3: kind of reckon with this idea of an animist framework

58
00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,040
Speaker 3: for magic. An animist framework being that anything kind of

59
00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,440
Speaker 3: has a spirit or an essence about it that has

60
00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,280
Speaker 3: a will. So to break that down and make it,

61
00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,520
Speaker 3: you know, kind of easy to understand. That means that

62
00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,760
Speaker 3: not only could you know an angel or a demon

63
00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,320
Speaker 3: or a spirit that we traditionally think of as spirits

64
00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,840
Speaker 3: that might move objects in houses or you know, frighten

65
00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,320
Speaker 3: people or even possess them. Ideas can become those sorts

66
00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,320
Speaker 3: of things. A belief that we have can become oppressive

67
00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,720
Speaker 3: or possessive. I've spoken with many indigenous individuals who practice shamanism,

68
00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,680
Speaker 3: who believe that there's a kind of spirit of possession

69
00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,960
Speaker 3: within you know, modern society of greed, if you will,

70
00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,360
Speaker 3: or something along a more kind of moralistic framework. So

71
00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,760
Speaker 3: that's why when we talk about like an occult perspective

72
00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,720
Speaker 3: on exorcism, what that really is talking about is well

73
00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,560
Speaker 3: accurately determining who and what it is we're dealing with,

74
00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,400
Speaker 3: rather than just kind of trying to like rubber stamp

75
00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,320
Speaker 3: it with a one size fits all kind of banishment

76
00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:23,680
Speaker 3: or exorcism process.

77
00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,880
Speaker 2: Have you ever been hurt or attacked in your work?

78
00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, people go to this pretty quickly, and

79
00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,160
Speaker 3: I think there is a lot of drama there. But yes,

80
00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,240
Speaker 3: things have been thrown at me. I've seen things apperate

81
00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,320
Speaker 3: in front of me in the middle distance coins Most commonly,

82
00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,200
Speaker 3: of course, I've been threatened by individuals both individuals who

83
00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,200
Speaker 3: are involved in the exorcism as the people afflicted by

84
00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,719
Speaker 3: that spirit or entity. But I have also been physically pushed,

85
00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:02,919
Speaker 3: never scratched, fortunately, but my wife has been exorcism in

86
00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,480
Speaker 3: a building that's pretty close to us. We were actually

87
00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,680
Speaker 3: covered and made the front page of the paper for it.

88
00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,200
Speaker 3: She actually was tossed like someone picked her up and

89
00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,760
Speaker 3: like gently, well not gently, picked her up, and threw

90
00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,960
Speaker 3: her back from a room she was trying to enter.

91
00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,800
Speaker 3: She didn't, not land on her feet, but still it

92
00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,599
Speaker 3: was one of those moments of oh, there's something real

93
00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,160
Speaker 3: here and physical here that's pushing back against us.

94
00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:26,520
Speaker 1: Now.

95
00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,560
Speaker 2: I know Kat works with you on sciances, but is

96
00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,200
Speaker 2: she either the psychic realm too.

97
00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,360
Speaker 3: Yes, And honestly, this kind of exploration into the world

98
00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,240
Speaker 3: of seance is the world of spirits ultimately led her

99
00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,840
Speaker 3: to take a step back from doing exorcism, in particular

100
00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,120
Speaker 3: because the we'll call it the emotional drain of the

101
00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,240
Speaker 3: work was a little bit too heavy. So while she

102
00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,360
Speaker 3: still does mediumship, and while she still practices magic and

103
00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,040
Speaker 3: you know, leads retreats and teaches with me, the exorcism

104
00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,360
Speaker 3: thing is something she tends to stay away from and

105
00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,000
Speaker 3: I don't blame her, it is right.

106
00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,200
Speaker 2: Well, Russell Crawl, the actor who we know is got

107
00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,880
Speaker 2: a movie coming out called The Pope's Exorcist where he

108
00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,200
Speaker 2: plays the part of a real exorcist, the late doctor

109
00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,880
Speaker 2: Gabriel Lamoreth, father of Morth, who claimed he claimed Dan

110
00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:31,760
Speaker 2: to have performed Get this fifty thousand exorcism? Is that conceivable?

111
00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,039
Speaker 3: I mean I always raise my eyebrows when I see

112
00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,599
Speaker 3: anything kind of associated with a Hollywood film production, because

113
00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,599
Speaker 3: they do have to prioritize drama. That seems a little

114
00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,000
Speaker 3: high to me. But I also know that if that

115
00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,840
Speaker 3: is your main job, that is the main thing that

116
00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,040
Speaker 3: you are doing, of course it's going to take up

117
00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,880
Speaker 3: all of your attention, and of course you're going to

118
00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,039
Speaker 3: get all those cases. I mean, let's just face back here.

119
00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,719
Speaker 3: The Catholic Church has not been as aggressive in their

120
00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:09,120
Speaker 3: pursuit of exorcism as the United States and Europe have modernized.

121
00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,200
Speaker 3: As modernity has kind of taken hold this idea of

122
00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:17,920
Speaker 3: spirits possessing a space or God forbid, a person becomes,

123
00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,920
Speaker 3: you know, something that feels too much like superstition, and

124
00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,920
Speaker 3: so we try and push it out of our minds

125
00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:23,960
Speaker 3: and say that can't.

126
00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,920
Speaker 2: Happen even if he did it. Over thirty years, we're

127
00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,560
Speaker 2: talking about sixteen hundred plus exorcisms a month. That's got

128
00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:33,480
Speaker 2: to be exhausting.

129
00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,960
Speaker 3: And I wonder too, how they're counting those spirits. So,

130
00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,320
Speaker 3: you know, an exorcism process can take place. You can

131
00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,760
Speaker 3: do an exorcism in a building or for a person

132
00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,920
Speaker 3: and there might be more than one entity attached to

133
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,040
Speaker 3: that space or attached to that person. I mean to

134
00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,880
Speaker 3: use that kind of animist perspective we talked about a

135
00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,520
Speaker 3: little bit earlier. Consider, you know, if someone if the

136
00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,520
Speaker 3: indigenous peoples are correct, and you know we are possessed

137
00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,720
Speaker 3: by a spirit of greed, well what other things come

138
00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,040
Speaker 3: with greed? Well, avarice, you know, sometimes lying these things,

139
00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,480
Speaker 3: and there are certain entities that rule over those particular

140
00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,920
Speaker 3: you know, actions that people take, so divining whether or

141
00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,160
Speaker 3: not this is truly a spirit versus you know, just

142
00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,320
Speaker 3: the actions of a person versus the actions of many

143
00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,920
Speaker 3: spirits or entities. That's really where you know. Having in

144
00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,800
Speaker 3: occult framework I think allows you to be a little

145
00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,880
Speaker 3: bit more precise in the operations you're trying to perform.

146
00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,120
Speaker 2: If we were to give you one title with what

147
00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,720
Speaker 2: you do. What title would you prefer to be called

148
00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:39,080
Speaker 2: on there?

149
00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,000
Speaker 3: I prefer occultist because it covers a vast variety of

150
00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,240
Speaker 3: my research and the work that I do. You know,

151
00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,480
Speaker 3: as a spirit medium, certainly I connect with people's you know,

152
00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,400
Speaker 3: departed loved ones. But then also I do ritual workings

153
00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,960
Speaker 3: for clients, or I do ritual workings for my own

154
00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:03,559
Speaker 3: purpose that might aid in manifestation or higher self knowledge. Exorcism, alchemy,

155
00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,720
Speaker 3: these things all kind of traffic and trade amongst each other.

156
00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,600
Speaker 3: So the term occultist, I feel, is general enough to

157
00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,319
Speaker 3: kind of give me latitude, while specific enough in letting

158
00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,800
Speaker 3: people know, no, I am coming at this from a

159
00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,400
Speaker 3: perspective that is other than, you know, one of the mainstream,

160
00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,559
Speaker 3: top tier, big religions.

161
00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,440
Speaker 2: Well, with Dan Eckert, we're talking about occultism. Why is

162
00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,080
Speaker 2: it that the word ac cult seems dark and dangerous

163
00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,680
Speaker 2: and scary and evil to so many people?

164
00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,800
Speaker 3: Well, George, here we are talking about exorcism. And even

165
00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,720
Speaker 3: though I'd like to think I'm one of the good

166
00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:46,240
Speaker 3: guys quote unquote helping people, it still is scary. And

167
00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,800
Speaker 3: you know, the vast amount of people we've helped in

168
00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:55,520
Speaker 3: performing exorcisms. Their constant refrain has been I'm afraid people

169
00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,240
Speaker 3: will think I'm crazy and no one will ever believe this,

170
00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,160
Speaker 3: and that's kind of an alienating factor. I don't think

171
00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,800
Speaker 3: people are prepared to engage with this type of work,

172
00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,440
Speaker 3: and so when they hear the term a cultist, they

173
00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,160
Speaker 3: think of all the dark things associated with it, and

174
00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,080
Speaker 3: I think sometimes they confuse that term with the term cult,

175
00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,600
Speaker 3: you know, a cult of you know UFO, like you know, murder,

176
00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,400
Speaker 3: suicide or something like you've read about in too many

177
00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:30,000
Speaker 3: countless papers, or you know, small religious sects gone awry.

178
00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,480
Speaker 3: Those those kinds of cults, I think reflect on the

179
00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,000
Speaker 3: term a cult, which simply means hidden. But not everyone

180
00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:39,600
Speaker 3: knows that.

181
00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,319
Speaker 2: With exorcisms, do you invoke the name Jesus to get

182
00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,120
Speaker 2: rid of the demon?

183
00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,520
Speaker 3: It depends on the spirit some entities, some demons have

184
00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,360
Speaker 3: a direct relationship with a kind of Christian pantheon, others

185
00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,080
Speaker 3: seem to come from outside of that, you know. To

186
00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,280
Speaker 3: use the Bible as an example, we're told in the

187
00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,800
Speaker 3: Book of Kings how Solomon allegedly erected the temple, and

188
00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,240
Speaker 3: he does so by binding and commanding demons. Now they're

189
00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,479
Speaker 3: not listed in the Bible, but the Bible specifically references

190
00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,840
Speaker 3: a book called the Acts of Solomon, which is all

191
00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,520
Speaker 3: about where Solomon found his demons, and those demons the

192
00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:24,640
Speaker 3: Acts of Solomon reveal actually come from an entirely separate kingdom,

193
00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,800
Speaker 3: the Kingdom of Babylon. So the idea of certain spirits

194
00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:34,040
Speaker 3: having certain home ecosystems, where some entities are more effective

195
00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,280
Speaker 3: than others is a primary tenet of the kind of

196
00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,000
Speaker 3: occult view of exorcism. So, yes, Jesus is a powerful

197
00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:46,640
Speaker 3: name to use, but so it is a bebeloi, which

198
00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,160
Speaker 3: means a way away. All ye profane in Greek.

199
00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,960
Speaker 2: Now, how do you prepare for an exorcism? And the

200
00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,920
Speaker 2: person who's possessed, how do they come to you for help?

201
00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so often we get referrals after people have been

202
00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,439
Speaker 3: kind of exhausting every other outlook. So by the time,

203
00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,760
Speaker 3: and this comes up a lot when we talk about, like,

204
00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,200
Speaker 3: you know, what is an exorcism? And I think, as

205
00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,080
Speaker 3: we've discussed on this call, sometimes people feel like either

206
00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,880
Speaker 3: it's superstition or it's something that's exclusively Catholic. But no

207
00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,400
Speaker 3: matter what's happening there, most people feel very alone. They

208
00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,680
Speaker 3: feel very isolated and they feel as though no one's

209
00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,040
Speaker 3: really taking them seriously, and so they pursue the standard

210
00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,080
Speaker 3: channel of friends. Sometimes historians, if they live in a

211
00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,280
Speaker 3: historic area and are experiencing haunted phenomena or hauntings, they

212
00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,800
Speaker 3: will explore often psychologists, you know, because people do worry

213
00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,080
Speaker 3: that they're losing connection with what we would consider to

214
00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,280
Speaker 3: be sane, and so by the time they end up

215
00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,840
Speaker 3: with us, it's often been a referral through either I

216
00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,520
Speaker 3: would call them spiritually aware therapists who maybe have a

217
00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,560
Speaker 3: view outside of just like traditional we can recommend this

218
00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:10,800
Speaker 3: therapeutic technique, and then also parapsychological organization. So you know,

219
00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,640
Speaker 3: ghost hunters who maybe go into a space expecting a

220
00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,559
Speaker 3: really exciting investigation come out with more than they've bargained for,

221
00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,280
Speaker 3: and that's when we show up.

222
00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,480
Speaker 2: Dan, what do you use in an exorcism? Do you

223
00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,120
Speaker 2: have a Bible with you? Any special tools or instruments,

224
00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,040
Speaker 2: cruci effects?

225
00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,120
Speaker 3: I like to I take it all. I'll tell you.

226
00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,440
Speaker 3: The biggest tool that we tend to use is a pendulum,

227
00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,760
Speaker 3: because pendulums allow for some degree of communication with what

228
00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,200
Speaker 3: is around us and the spirits of the space. But

229
00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,840
Speaker 3: it's also very safe. Unlike something like a Oija board

230
00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:53,000
Speaker 3: or channeling, where you open a pathway of communication that

231
00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,360
Speaker 3: feels more two sided, the pendulum is more one sided.

232
00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,400
Speaker 3: All that happens is the pendulum moves. So we'll use

233
00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:05,679
Speaker 3: that sometimes to diagnose who is most afflicted by this phenomena,

234
00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,160
Speaker 3: where the phenomena resides trying to get yes or no names,

235
00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,760
Speaker 3: so we can apply the spirit to a list. So

236
00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,360
Speaker 3: of course I'll be bringing my grim wires with me often,

237
00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,679
Speaker 3: the Lesser Key of Solomon, the six and seven Books

238
00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,800
Speaker 3: of Moses, and these are again books that have large

239
00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,160
Speaker 3: indexes of entities and spirits. So once we start deducing

240
00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,560
Speaker 3: who we have on the line, we can figure out

241
00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,440
Speaker 3: what effectively removes them, what ecosystem they're a part of.

242
00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,880
Speaker 3: It becomes it's more than just carrying a crucifix in

243
00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,120
Speaker 3: a bag. Although I keep my crucifix with me.

244
00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,640
Speaker 2: You don't splash holy water on the subject.

245
00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,600
Speaker 3: No, I don't use holy water. Holy water, any purified

246
00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,280
Speaker 3: with water can be very useful. I tend to like

247
00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,880
Speaker 3: using Florida water, which is a wash that evolves out

248
00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,200
Speaker 3: of like a hoodoo tradition, and actually after the fountain

249
00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,040
Speaker 3: of Youth that supposedly exists within Florida, but it's always

250
00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,520
Speaker 3: been used as a good banishing agent, so I'll use

251
00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:13,720
Speaker 3: that also, Candles and statuary reliquaries from any kind of

252
00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,880
Speaker 3: saint or shrine, and I have quite a few relics

253
00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,920
Speaker 3: that I'll use, especially if we come up against a

254
00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,080
Speaker 3: spirit that's identifying as exclusively Christian or within that frame.

255
00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,880
Speaker 3: And then things like pieces of iron, iron, coffin, nails,

256
00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,880
Speaker 3: glass bottles which we can use to buy into spirit

257
00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,760
Speaker 3: or create a spirit trap.

258
00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,600
Speaker 2: Was the Fountain of Youth water found by Ponce de Leon.

259
00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,680
Speaker 3: Allegedly, You know how it is. I have not seen

260
00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,840
Speaker 3: signs of the Fountain of Youth in Florida, but I

261
00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,000
Speaker 3: will say Florida is a strange place, so it wouldn't

262
00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:49,560
Speaker 3: surprise me.

263
00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,560
Speaker 2: He did go looking for it, that's for sure he did.

264
00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,840
Speaker 2: How long does an exorcism normally last?

265
00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it depends on the number of spirits involved,

266
00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,520
Speaker 3: and it depends if we need to get anything else. So,

267
00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,840
Speaker 3: for example, if there's a spirit that fits very well

268
00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,920
Speaker 3: within certain astrological timings and conditions, we might want to

269
00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,800
Speaker 3: wait until the moon is in a certain phase, or

270
00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,200
Speaker 3: we might want to create a certain seal or sigil

271
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,560
Speaker 3: or spirit trap that will require astrological timing, like a

272
00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,120
Speaker 3: hakate spirit trap will generally need to be fired or

273
00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,840
Speaker 3: created on a new moon. So we do have that

274
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,800
Speaker 3: timing constriction sometimes to think about. But in terms of

275
00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,200
Speaker 3: showing up to the space and working through it, it

276
00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,280
Speaker 3: can generally take quite a long time. Three to four

277
00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,000
Speaker 3: hours seems to be the normal amount of time for

278
00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,600
Speaker 3: an exorcism. Not only do you have to tend to

279
00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,440
Speaker 3: the people who are involved, also the space and the spirits,

280
00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,560
Speaker 3: and then there's this great deal of after counseling or

281
00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,680
Speaker 3: just checking in with these people after they go through

282
00:16:58,720 --> 00:16:59,520
Speaker 3: something like that.

283
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,320
Speaker 2: Now, you're not a doctor, Dan, but how do you

284
00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,280
Speaker 2: know whether you should refer somebody to a psychiatrist as

285
00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,120
Speaker 2: opposed to just do the exorcism?

286
00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that's I'm so glad you brought that up, George,

287
00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,960
Speaker 3: because yeah, Kat and I we are not doctors. We

288
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,200
Speaker 3: are not professional medical figures in any way. However, most

289
00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,680
Speaker 3: of the individuals that we work with have already come

290
00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,520
Speaker 3: through a vetted network of traumas, formed therapists or psychologists,

291
00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,639
Speaker 3: so by the time they've arrived with us, they have

292
00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,080
Speaker 3: a kind of case history that they're willing to share.

293
00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,080
Speaker 3: If someone comes to us, though, and is saying that

294
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,320
Speaker 3: they have a you know, a troublesome spirit or they

295
00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,640
Speaker 3: feel like someone around them might be possessed, we do

296
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,800
Speaker 3: refer them immediately to someone who's in our network with

297
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,960
Speaker 3: therapy and psychology, just to ensure that there is nothing

298
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,199
Speaker 3: mundane happening that could be explained away or treated more

299
00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,440
Speaker 3: effectively than exorcism. However, I will make it clear that

300
00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:06,159
Speaker 3: we tend to in modern society view exorcism and mental

301
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,280
Speaker 3: illness as explanatory of each other. So if someone is

302
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,240
Speaker 3: claiming to be possessed or that they're haunted, they're just really,

303
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,199
Speaker 3: you know, they need their medication up or something they

304
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,080
Speaker 3: need to go up a dose. And when we look

305
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,520
Speaker 3: at the literature or the history of this work, there

306
00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:28,119
Speaker 3: does seem to be not a causal relationship. But certainly

307
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:33,439
Speaker 3: these two things exist together, and that's been something that

308
00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,480
Speaker 3: has come up in the work in the past that

309
00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:42,479
Speaker 3: just because someone might exhibit a mental situation that can

310
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,880
Speaker 3: be diagnosed accurately and treated accurately, does not also mean

311
00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,480
Speaker 3: that they could not be having paranormal phenomena or spirit

312
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 3: phenomena as well.

313
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,720
Speaker 2: Do Sometimes these people come in screaming and yelling at you.

314
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,000
Speaker 3: You know, the people who are doing the screaming and

315
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,439
Speaker 3: yelling are often the ones who are most afraid of

316
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 3: what's happening, and their biggest fear is always you're going

317
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,040
Speaker 3: to make this worse. And that's generally because everything that

318
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 3: they've tried up until this point has made it worse.

319
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,840
Speaker 3: I e. They have a friend who's into ghost hunting

320
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,679
Speaker 3: who told them to like, you know, break out the

321
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,719
Speaker 3: weedge aboard and see if it has a name, or

322
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,119
Speaker 3: they have some friends who are just making fun of

323
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 3: them for it, so they try to ignore it and

324
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,159
Speaker 3: they just press it down and you know, try not

325
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 3: to acknowledge it while secretly dreading it all the time.

326
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,440
Speaker 3: So generally, when someone approaches us and is really whipped up,

327
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 3: it's because they are they are anxious, they are feeling afraid.

328
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 3: Kat and I are generally very very good at calming

329
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 3: them down and explaining clearly.

330
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 4: What it is we're doing that's important on your floor

331
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 4: to some and Lucifer, we're actually very very method methodically

332
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 4: going through a list of solutions and trying them.

333
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every week night

334
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 1: at one a m. Eastern and go to coast to

335
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 1: coastam dot com for more