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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 2: York Football Giants. I am John Schmelk. Happy to bring

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Speaker 2: back a front of the program. Been joining us for

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Speaker 2: a long time. Ben Solak, now of the mothership ESPN. Ben,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: John?

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Speaker 4: How we Ben? You're doing well?

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Speaker 1: We are doing well, just as same with you.

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Speaker 2: Kind of grinding out as many of these prospects as

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Speaker 2: I can during the season. We're focused on the regular

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Speaker 2: season and then we kind of have to catch up

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Speaker 2: a little bit here in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: So how many guys have you gotten through?

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Speaker 2: And kind of what has your process been for trying

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Speaker 2: to digest as many of these draft prospects a possible.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you a period of time exactly how many

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Speaker 3: guys I've gotten through. I have watched one hundred and

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Speaker 3: seven prospects.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, we're actually about it the same thing.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, and I'll be on the day two draft

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Speaker 3: show this year for the ESPN, the digital show, the

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Speaker 3: one that saw that's on the YouTube day one and

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Speaker 3: day two, and so you got to you feel like

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Speaker 3: you gotta know everybody's going to go in those first

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Speaker 4: And so that's about where I'm at right now.

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Speaker 3: We're definitely getting to this stage where you watch fewer

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Speaker 4: That you don't.

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Speaker 3: That's just kind of the nature of this part of

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Speaker 3: the draft. But yeah, I'm process wise. I came up

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Speaker 3: the draft space in general. And so to me, like,

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Speaker 3: before I read anything about Land and Jackson, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to watch them Land and Jackson. You try to get

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Speaker 3: mostly Gamston twenty four. You get a couple of games

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Speaker 3: in twenty three, try to watch them different opponents, different offenses,

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Speaker 3: different defenses, different schemes. You get some film notes down

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Speaker 3: on the guy. Inherently you have some questions right about Okay,

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Speaker 3: you know how experience is he? Okay, he was always

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Speaker 3: playing at the power five level.

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Speaker 4: You transfer from somewhere. Then you go, you get your bio,

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Speaker 3: You got obviously some of the athletics testing from the combine,

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Speaker 3: get a round grade from there. It's hard doing all

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Speaker 3: thirty two teams, right, you take a guy like Land

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Speaker 3: work for others. How do you how do you grade that? Okay,

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Speaker 3: You try to focus more on understanding how the player

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Speaker 2: How difficult is it for you to block out some

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Speaker 1: Over years, we're in the hackens Zager Mariny Hell podcast.

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Speaker 2: You'll keep getting better, all right, Ben, So, I think

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Speaker 2: that's a good transition here. Let's talk about this class

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Speaker 2: in general and specifically at the Giants at three. Should

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Speaker 2: I be over complicating things more than just whichever guy

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Speaker 2: is there, cam Ward Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter, just

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Speaker 3: I think that's that is the correct approach. I think

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Speaker 3: that that's the way I would hope the Giants would

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Speaker 3: to have those three players. I don't think that you.

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Speaker 3: I think that Tibbdeau has had his moments. I don't

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Speaker 4: We go when we get that Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 3: He's a firebrand, he's a franchise saver, and now all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, our team prognostication is totally different. So

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Speaker 2: So then how should they approach the quarterback Where do

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Speaker 2: you see Chador in relation to the other guys in

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Speaker 2: viewer and Joe Shane's shoes, yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think if the name play on the back of

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Speaker 3: Shador's jersey said something different, I would not talk about

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Speaker 3: him as a Round one player. I think he'd be

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Speaker 1: I agree with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which you know, Darton Shuck to me are pretty traditional.

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Speaker 3: And I don't have a good lean right now on Shock,

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Speaker 3: I like Shuck the best in terms of year one impact.

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Speaker 3: I think that he can be a Jared Golf like

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Speaker 4: This is not a perfect prospect.

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Speaker 3: And so if they let's say the Giants take Shock

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Speaker 3: I absolutely do. By twenty six twenty seven, are you like, oh,

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Speaker 4: Rookie contract quarterback. I'm not sure he's that level.

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Speaker 3: And so to me, like I don't mind the Giants

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Speaker 4: I just think the ceiling is pretty low in those.

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Speaker 2: Guys, all right, Well, the one guy I think where

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Speaker 2: the ceiling is not low, but the floor can drop

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Speaker 2: You mentioned him in that conversation where if you just

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Speaker 2: evaluate him as a passer, you know he's a he's

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Speaker 2: a Day three pick.

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Speaker 1: But the athleticism, the arm strength, all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Ben, what are you willing to pull the trigger on

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Speaker 2: a guy like Milroe knowing at least with Russell Wilson

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Speaker 2: which kind of gets me excited because he's a four

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Speaker 2: you know you can use him in fun ways.

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Speaker 1: When would you be willing to pull the trigger on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I would actually push back on the low

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Speaker 3: floor construction because whenever we talk about mobile quarterbacks we

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Speaker 3: often do that where you.

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Speaker 1: Say, you're right, I should say low floor is a passer.

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Speaker 1: I should right correct that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I know, I know where your head's at.

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Speaker 3: I think it's an important construct. I remember talking about

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Speaker 3: those guys didn't work out.

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Speaker 4: You're right, they didn't work out.

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Speaker 2: People say he's accurate.

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Speaker 1: I agree. People say he's tough. I agree. The one

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Speaker 2: They say he's a great processor, and he makes quick decisions.

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Speaker 3: I do not think Schador is a remarkable processor. I

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: He does not take dumb shots, but he will take

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Speaker 3: have a guy Will Howard of Ohios orsume me Riley

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Speaker 3: Will take the shots in there and I'll pass on.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't need to take them. So the risk management

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Speaker 4: I think it's just a fine processoruddle up, get in here.

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Speaker 1: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 3: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Bud Citizen does makes sense of your money with citizens

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I agree.

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Speaker 2: Good processor, not all he's not Joe Burrow, right, let's

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Speaker 2: put him in the Joe level level processing, but really

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think that's a great way to

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to running back and you bring

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Speaker 2: Why are you such a big fan?

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Speaker 3: I like backs who do what they're told, like facts

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Speaker 3: You know, a cross between Larry Johnson and Saquon Barklan.

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Speaker 3: She's like, man, you know, Devin Neil gets exactly what's blocked.

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Speaker 3: He will get more than what's blocked because he's good

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Speaker 4: We needs to be patient. Fast, We needs to be fast.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is a really impressive draft for tackle

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Speaker 3: You have some guys who are like ninetieth percentile contact

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Speaker 3: take volume. Come around, Take take Devin Neil round four

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Speaker 2: Do you love this running back class as much as

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Speaker 1: Doesn't I need to watch that? I think?

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Speaker 3: players selected in twenty seventeen day at running back. This

439
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Speaker 3: was the Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mix

440
00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:46,440
Speaker 3: and Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, James Connor, Aaron Jones year right,

441
00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,200
Speaker 3: like just like filthy good, Right, this is probably the

442
00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,240
Speaker 3: best class since then. I brought up Damian Martinez out

443
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Speaker 3: of Miami, big fan of his Big Bruiser two sixteen

444
00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,360
Speaker 3: two twenty sweet feet. Romandre Stevenson is a guy. He

445
00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,360
Speaker 3: reminds me of a little bit Baseial Twoton, the speed

446
00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,160
Speaker 3: str out of Virginia Tech. Every year there's kind of

447
00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,520
Speaker 3: one of these, you know, plug and play wide zone

448
00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,440
Speaker 3: home run hitting backs. He's the one this year. He's

449
00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,320
Speaker 3: got fumble problems, Man, you can clean those up. And

450
00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,800
Speaker 3: I bet you he's a little bit better as a

451
00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,800
Speaker 3: pass catcher than you saw from Virginia tax because they

452
00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:13,560
Speaker 3: never used him like that.

453
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Speaker 2: I think he's also top ten to fifteen percent in

454
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,760
Speaker 2: the in the breaking breaking tackles category two. He's one

455
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Speaker 2: of those other guys in high in those metrics.

456
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he he The thing is, he's very, very

457
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Speaker 3: smooth and son.

458
00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,240
Speaker 4: He can kind of like glide through a lot.

459
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Speaker 3: Of arm tackles and everything like that. He's not small either.

460
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,800
Speaker 3: He's over He's over two hundred pounds. So I find

461
00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,520
Speaker 3: him very likable. I'm a big quinch on Judkins guy

462
00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,680
Speaker 3: on on day two. Same thing with Devin Neil, right,

463
00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,000
Speaker 3: Like Trayvon Henderson was the home run hitter for Ohio State,

464
00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,920
Speaker 3: but Johnkins just kept the offense on schedule because the

465
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,840
Speaker 3: short yardage guy. Their third down guys very reliable. So

466
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,040
Speaker 3: big fan of his as well. There's a lot of

467
00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:42,440
Speaker 3: guys to.

468
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Speaker 2: Like I'm with you, all right, let's go to wide

469
00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,680
Speaker 2: receiver not a great class at the top right.

470
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Speaker 1: And I think this is kind of a common theme.

471
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Speaker 2: And you said this when you were on with on

472
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Speaker 2: the Athletic Football Show with Robert Razy the other day.

473
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Speaker 2: This is not a draft where you want a premium pick.

474
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Speaker 2: Though I think picking the top three is okay because

475
00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:57,880
Speaker 2: you have a chance to get either a Hunter or

476
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Speaker 2: Carter right, but you get picking four to eleven, you're

477
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Speaker 2: kind of not getting the top ten player in any

478
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Speaker 2: other draft class. And I think wide receivers similar. I'm

479
00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,280
Speaker 2: a big tech McMillan guy. I like to get your

480
00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,639
Speaker 2: take on him. But I think day two, if you

481
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Speaker 2: look at for like a number two or number three

482
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Speaker 2: wide receiver, there are a lot of guys on Day

483
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Speaker 2: two and early Day three that are going to be

484
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Speaker 2: able to fill those roles for you.

485
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Speaker 3: No, I very much agree. I think that there's no

486
00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,080
Speaker 3: such thing as a bad receiver class. I don't think

487
00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,800
Speaker 3: it exists because they're just like fifteen twenty years ago,

488
00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,800
Speaker 3: colleges couldn't throw the ball. We have to remember this,

489
00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,040
Speaker 3: like they weren't good enough quarterbacks, the schemes weren't good,

490
00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,520
Speaker 3: like there were many many offenses like the Alabama national champions.

491
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Speaker 4: They just never threw it right. They had like Alvin

492
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,280
Speaker 4: Ridley and and Maari Cooper.

493
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Speaker 3: You're not throwing the ball now with RPOs, with quarterback

494
00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,359
Speaker 3: development seven on seven in high school, so many more

495
00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:41,080
Speaker 3: teams throw the ball.

496
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Speaker 4: You have three receivers on the field. I ever given play.

497
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Speaker 3: There's so many different body types of athletes styles that

498
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Speaker 3: work at that position that you're just never going to

499
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Speaker 3: have a class that's devoid of talent.

500
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Speaker 4: Sure it's not.

501
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Speaker 3: Romandunzi Laku Neighbors and Marvin Harrison Junior, but it's still

502
00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,840
Speaker 3: I think a very dense class, a lot of starting

503
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Speaker 3: caliber options.

504
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Speaker 4: I agree.

505
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Speaker 2: And the guy that you bring up in your All

506
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Speaker 2: Film Team on ESPN dot Com story is Jack bash

507
00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,440
Speaker 2: At a TCU boy. Just watching the quarterback play at

508
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,080
Speaker 2: TCU can can give you a little bit of a

509
00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,960
Speaker 2: headache trying to watch good targets like Stevian Williams and him.

510
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Speaker 2: But what struck me about him and you talk about

511
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Speaker 2: his transitioning from a receiver to a runner, I just

512
00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,360
Speaker 2: think what he does at the top of the rout

513
00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,439
Speaker 2: tree is really really good. Like his ability at his

514
00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,240
Speaker 2: size and weight to change direction at the top of

515
00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,159
Speaker 2: the routree to go break wherever he's breaking, and I

516
00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,840
Speaker 2: think we saw that in his in his three cone

517
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,880
Speaker 2: and a short shuttle with the combine. I just think

518
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,040
Speaker 2: he's very sharp as a rout runner, knows how to

519
00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,040
Speaker 2: get open, and that dude does not drop anything.

520
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack Bash is gonna be a good pro for

521
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Speaker 3: a very very long time because he is He is

522
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,240
Speaker 3: exactly what a quarterback wants that player to be. He

523
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,040
Speaker 3: will block, and he'll block his butt off when he

524
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Speaker 3: needs to. You said, he will catch everything. He will

525
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,520
Speaker 3: erase inaccuracy. He will make difficult catches over the middle

526
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:50,680
Speaker 3: of the field through contact.

527
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Speaker 4: So when I have to throw a.

528
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Speaker 3: Glance to a slant to and you have to go

529
00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 3: get it for me on third down, he will go

530
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Speaker 3: get it for you. And then the moment he becomes

531
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Speaker 3: a runner, he is out to kill the I mean

532
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 3: he is so physical, he is so tough. He carries

533
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 3: big guys for extra three yards. He was really good

534
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,800
Speaker 3: Like short yard it's a goal line for them. Just

535
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,320
Speaker 3: because of how tough he is. Your quarterback is going

536
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 3: to love throwing the football to Jack Bash. That is

537
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,119
Speaker 3: just going to keep you around forever. And then if

538
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,679
Speaker 3: he is enough of an athlete because he didn't run

539
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Speaker 3: a forty and like the long speed is a question.

540
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,680
Speaker 3: He's quicker than he is explosive, which is like Cooper

541
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Speaker 3: Cupp is that way too compat the great agility tests,

542
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Speaker 3: bad jumps, and Besh's built that exact same way. If

543
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 3: he can be enough of an NFL athlete to break

544
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Speaker 3: the first angle and get and get a little bit

545
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Speaker 3: loose in the open field, he's.

546
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Speaker 4: Got a ten year career.

547
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Speaker 3: Not as the wide receiver one best, the wide receiver

548
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 3: two who just eats eats, eats volume and just just

549
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,360
Speaker 3: always reliable for the team.

550
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Speaker 4: I think that's just gonna be a long, long time. Bro.

551
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Speaker 2: Can the league just get together and not let Sean

552
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Speaker 2: McVay draft this guy, because I think he would just

553
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 2: love having this guy in his roster.

554
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

555
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Speaker 3: I mean, like I keep looking at the Texans, and

556
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Speaker 3: then I look at the Dolphins, and I look at

557
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,120
Speaker 3: the Packers Dolphins if they move on from Tyree Kill.

558
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 3: But those three teams in the second round where I

559
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,639
Speaker 3: say there's a lot of room for a Jack Best

560
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 3: to be very valuable for this team.

561
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree with all Right, let's go to

562
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 2: tight ends. You've been on Mitchell Evans. So I think

563
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,719
Speaker 2: it's interesting because I think you see as his upside

564
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 2: as a true y right, as a guy that can

565
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Speaker 2: block a little bit. And my understanding that he dealt

566
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Speaker 2: with a lot of injuries this year and he's probably

567
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 2: a better athlete than what he showed on tape in

568
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 2: another really good tight end class.

569
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Speaker 1: Why did the tape of Evans jump out to you?

570
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Evan's had a late ACL tear in the

571
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three season where he was really really dominant.

572
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Speaker 3: He's having some some big games for Notre Dame with

573
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 3: not great quarterback play, and so that late tair means

574
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 3: that you either have to miss some time at the

575
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,199
Speaker 3: start of the twenty four season or you have to

576
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Speaker 3: rehab really fast and come back really fast. And Notre

577
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 3: Dame had playoff aspirations, the championship aspirations. So he came

578
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 3: back and he played Week one and just like you

579
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Speaker 3: put you put on the early you know, week one

580
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 3: week two film, you're like, oh my god, Like this

581
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: guy's running at like seventy percent. He just is not

582
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,360
Speaker 3: finished with rehab at all, and and but he's trying

583
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 3: to stay it at playing weight, and he's you know,

584
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 3: he's competing in games, and so like the rehabit slows

585
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 3: down and just the over the course of the year,

586
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 3: he's getting a little bit faster and getting a little

587
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,719
Speaker 3: bit looser. He's missing fewer snaps. But in general, like

588
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 3: it just was, it was clearly not the athlete he

589
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 3: wasn't twenty three. So if you can get me twenty

590
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 3: twenty three, Mitch Levens, because after another season, another offseason,

591
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 3: he's fully healthy, then right, I have a guy who's

592
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 3: who can play two fifty two hundred and fifty five pounds,

593
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: who catches reliably over the middle of the field, can

594
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 3: make some tough catches up the scene and down the field,

595
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 3: blocks very very well in line, blocks well in space.

596
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 3: He's just a well rounded tight end. He's very col Cometish, right,

597
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 3: remember Cole Comet coming out of Notre Dame. You know,

598
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 3: big surprise, but he's very col Commetish and that there's

599
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 3: there's no big weakness to his game, there's no big

600
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 3: zip to his game. Oh incredible, whatever. But Comett was

601
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Speaker 3: a top fifty pick and then went on to become

602
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 3: like a top ten, top twelve court contract at tight

603
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 3: end when he signed his deal. If I get Evans

604
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 3: and that two rounds later with injury risk reminds me

605
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 3: of like the Eagles taking Josh Sweat, Right, It's just like, hey,

606
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna roll the dice on Lesson. If

607
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 3: he pounds out for us, he pans out for US,

608
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 3: loan and behold. Sometimes those injury guys do.

609
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Speaker 2: So that's why, like Evans, you mentioned the Warren Loveland

610
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Speaker 2: thing at the top. Very briefly, I think the thing

611
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 2: about ty Warren that gets people. You see the way

612
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: he runs, and you're like, well, that guy has to

613
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 2: be a good blocker. And I think you see how

614
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: he approaches blocking, and he approaches it like a guy

615
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 2: who's going to be a really good blocker. But then

616
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: you see him actually try to block guys, and a

617
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: lot of times the results aren't what you think they

618
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 2: should be based on his body type and how he plays.

619
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Speaker 3: Thirty one and a half in charms for Tyler Warren

620
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: measured at the NFL Combine, and so all those measurements

621
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 3: are bad this year, like they're all too short. He

622
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: didn't go, he didn't measure at all of his pro day,

623
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Speaker 3: and so we didn't get an update of pro Day.

624
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Speaker 3: So imagine his arms are somewhere around thirty two inches.

625
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: But if you look at the guy, he just looks

626
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 3: a little bit shorter in the arms.

627
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Speaker 4: And then when you watch him block, he falls off

628
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 4: of blocks because he doesn't have great length, and that's

629
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Speaker 4: going to be a limiting factor for you in your ability. Right,

630
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Speaker 4: he comes into contact good, I agree with you, he

631
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Speaker 4: has the want to, I agree with you, and then

632
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 4: he goes to get his hooks in.

633
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 3: Lock out and engage Ryan get to that point of

634
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: control and he just reaches his maximum point. And so

635
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 3: when he plays against bigger bodies that there's a big

636
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: limiting factor there. And so I think he's much better

637
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: for like blocking in space, which is how you saw

638
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 3: Penn State try to use him right, kind of stock

639
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 3: blocking and on these screens, and I think you know

640
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 3: he's even though he's got that tough guy moniker and

641
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: he's two hundred and fifty five pounds in the NFL,

642
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 3: is going to be a move tight ends. He's so

643
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 3: good after the catch with the ball in his hands,

644
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 3: So you're gonna see him used that way kind of

645
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 3: a more so a guy who's detached from the line

646
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, which is a totally fine, acceptable usage.

647
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 4: You can draft the guy in the first.

648
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: Round, but it's worth noting like for some teams what

649
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 3: they want from their tight end. Warren has pretty dramatic

650
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: limiting factors at leveland dozens. That's that's where I landed

651
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: on the guys.

652
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Any other second day tight end that you really think

653
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: stands out a month, what's a pretty deep group.

654
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: Great tight end class. I like Mason Taylor out of

655
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 3: elis you a lot. I like Terrence Ferguson, the young

656
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Speaker 3: man out of Oregon quite a bit as well. Gunner

657
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Speaker 3: Helm out of Texas is the guy that I think

658
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 3: has the best like kind of blocking upside. He has

659
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Speaker 3: a lot of want to, He has a lot of

660
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: no how he the text would leave him isolated against

661
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 3: edges and he would fight man. He would He would

662
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Speaker 3: get a sustained to two and a half seconds before

663
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: he lost, which is very impressive for a college tight end.

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Speaker 4: He has some technique problems, right, He wastepends.

665
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: He leans on guys and you can get snatched if

666
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: you clean that up like this is like a I

667
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: remember how good Dallas Goddard got blocking it tight end

668
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: over the coming out of South Dakota State, became a

669
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Speaker 3: real impactful player for the Eagles again over his time. Though,

670
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Speaker 3: to me, Gunner Helms is that guy who if if

671
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: you're talking to me, like if like a three down

672
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: tight end who really leaves out. Gunner helm is my guy.

673
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: But Ferguson and Taylor as well, all three of them.

674
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Speaker 3: It's a very likable tight end class.

675
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Speaker 2: I'm with you one hundred percent. All right, let's go

676
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Speaker 2: to the offensive one here, Willie Lampkin. I'm gonna call

677
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: it little Willie Lampkin, even though he's not really little

678
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: compared to us, but for other offensive lineman, he's little,

679
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: and he was really good at the Senior Bowl. He's

680
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: the guy that maybe the measurables don't fit, but man,

681
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: you're right, his tape is great.

682
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's five five foot eleven, which is just he's

683
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: like five to eleven, probably played like two seventy five.

684
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 3: It is a completely unacceptable NFL size. But what if

685
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: it wasn't What.

686
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Speaker 4: If it isn't right? What if he's the exception that

687
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Speaker 4: proves the rule.

688
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Speaker 3: In his time at Coast to Carolina, he played he

689
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: played at tackle he played a guard. He played at center.

690
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: He goes to you and see he plays at guard.

691
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to be a center at the NFL level.

692
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: But we have a guy with positional versatility. We have

693
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Speaker 3: a guy who's who's already at the college level a

694
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Speaker 3: disproportionately good pass blocker for his size. Right, he has

695
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: that natural leverage. He fights to a lot of neutrals.

696
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: He can he can drop the anchor relatively well. And

697
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Speaker 3: so I if you're talking to me about a late

698
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: day through pick of UDFA, that's what he's gonna be. Yeah,

699
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Speaker 3: I'll give him a shot to come in and be

700
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Speaker 3: my second from his own team. See if it works,

701
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: and if it doesn't, I'll patrick ricard him. I'll find

702
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: six offensive line packages which are increasingly becoming common in

703
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: the NFL. Right, I can you know attachment line of scrimmage,

704
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: tend him in motion, put him in the backfield, kind

705
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: of use him as a super sized fullback. So he

706
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 3: is a interesting player. I think the size does preclude

707
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: him from like having legitimate NFL success, but it should

708
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 3: have precluded him for having legitimate ACC success. And he

709
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 3: won the award for the best Offensive Alignment in the

710
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 3: conference and so who knows.

711
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Speaker 4: Man, give him a shot.

712
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: Now, I'm with you, and in this offensive line class

713
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: in general, I would love for the Giants for drafts

714
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: and offensive tackle here and starting in round two, can't

715
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: find one.

716
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Speaker 1: I gonna be honest with you. You know, maybe ariante

717
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: Ursery from Minnesota. Maybe is my only day too offensive tackle.

718
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: All these other offensive tackles to me are moving into guard.

719
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Speaker 2: So if you want to find a guard that I

720
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: think you could find one on day two. But I

721
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: don't think you'll find the many tackles here.

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Speaker 4: Man, did you watch did you watch though William and

723
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Speaker 4: Mary Kay? Charles Grant?

724
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Speaker 1: I have not watched Charles Grant yet. No, watch you

725
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: some Charles Grant.

726
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 3: Then get back to me on all these tackles have

727
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: to become guards because I think he can stay and

728
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 3: he can hang.

729
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's the one guy. I'm not watched it.

730
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Speaker 2: I've heard good things he's on.

731
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Speaker 3: It's not a lot of film out there on it,

732
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: but you can find a couple of games and yeah,

733
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Speaker 3: it's it's I expect him to go round too, and

734
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: I expect him to be the developmental tackle of choice

735
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: because I agree it's him, and then Boston College Ozzie

736
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: Trapeo pill yeh, yeah, who gets talked about a staying

737
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 3: at tackle. I think Trapeo is fine more Round three

738
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: for me, Grant is the.

739
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Speaker 4: One I have to be interested in. Round two.

740
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

741
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Speaker 2: I watched your pillow the Senior Bowl and he was

742
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: He started rough first day, but he ended up doing

743
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 2: much better the next couple of days. Really nice size

744
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: with him over there. I think he's more of a

745
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: right tackle than the left tackle too. Agreed with with

746
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: the way he plays.

747
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

748
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Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your man.

749
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Speaker 2: We're joined by Ben Solak from ESPN all right, Ben,

761
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Speaker 2: let's go to the defensive side of the ball. I've

762
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: bet fans yell at me for trying to give them

763
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: tyleegue Williams to pick thirty four of role because he

764
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: dosn't rush the passer. And I said, guys, this might

765
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: be the safest player in the draft because he is

766
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: just a dominant run stuffer. And if I wind up

767
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: with like a Dalvin Tomlinson plus with my thirty fourth

768
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: overall pick, what's wrong with that?

769
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

770
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 3: And that's that's I think that's about what you're getting

771
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: as a Dalvin Thomlinson plus. I think he also can

772
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: be a better pass rusher in the NFL than he

773
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: was in college.

774
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Speaker 4: If you watch those Ohio.

775
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: State that entire defensive line, Jack Sawyer, j T. Twomloile,

776
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: it's very clear that the coaching point was play the run,

777
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: play the run, play the run, and play the run,

778
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: and then if we get pass, yeah, you can go

779
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 3: kind of collapse and like you know, suffocate the pocket.

780
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: But they were not attempting to be a high sack,

781
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: high pressure, upfield penetrate team. Everybody along that line was

782
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: controller gaps, controller space will solve problems on the back end,

783
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: and so Williams is every physical trait of a guy

784
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: who can be like a four or five sack player

785
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: from defensive tackle.

786
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 4: That's typically pretty good.

787
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: Giants fans are spoiled with extra Lawrence, the best pass

788
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: rushing nos tackle the world has ever seen.

789
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 4: But like that, he has that ceiling. That's a fine ceiling.

790
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: So I agree. I like him as an early round

791
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: two pick. I think he's worth that for the Giants.

792
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: When you have Lawrence in place, I would want to

793
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: prioritize pass rush over run stuffing at the defensive line.

794
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 3: But if they were to make the pick, I'd be

795
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: very quickly like, oh heck, yeah, but let's just never

796
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 3: get run on again. It's a fun duo for sure.

797
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, which they've had trouble stopping for the last like

798
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: three or four years. It's been bad.

799
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Speaker 2: So I guess what I like about the defensive tackle

800
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: class band. It is also deep, and I think you

801
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 2: do have a number of guys that can play both roles. Right,

802
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: you're upfield three technique, whether it's the Sanders kid out

803
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: of South Carolina, you could talk about Omore Norman, lot

804
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: guys like that, and then you have your run stuffers

805
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: we talked about Tylie Williams. You could talk about Caldwell

806
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: guys like that, so you would prioritize pass rush first.

807
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: Who are maybe some of the guys you like a

808
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: little bit later, maybe one one stuffer and one guy

809
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: that can get a field a little bit.

810
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: I like Darius Alexander out of Toledo for your for

811
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: your pass rush, and I think that there's he's a

812
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: late bloomer and he's an older prospect to Okay, you

813
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: walk in a little bit concerned, and then you see

814
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: what the background was and kind of how he came

815
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: to Toledo and they talked.

816
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 4: They've talked a lot about Hey, like.

817
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: When he was first here and like the first couple

818
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: of years he shouldn't have his head screwed on straight,

819
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: like he did not take this as seriously.

820
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: As maybe he'd wanted to. And then the light bulbs

821
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: are to go on to what he was capable of it.

822
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: You say, Okay, I now understand why this guy has

823
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: had the arc that he does. It's a little bit

824
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: more explicable to me. And so I like Alexander as

825
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: as your upfield guy. And then you said another more

826
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: of a stuffing. Yeah, uh, broughtman out of Texas.

827
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Speaker 1: I like.

828
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: I think Alfred Collins gets a little bit more of

829
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: the the hype and the push. But Brown's everything you

830
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: want for a rotational defensive lineman. He's a B minus

831
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: C plus player. Everywhere is a high effort. He's got

832
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: a lot of pop in his hands. So he's more

833
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: of like a round three, round four guy that I

834
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: would take.

835
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Ashton Jewatt. He's your tape

836
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: guy at defensive end. He's somebody that On our draft

837
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: season podcast with Tony Pauline, we talked a lot about

838
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: hitting into the last year's draft. We thought he was

839
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: gonna come out being a very productive player in twenty

840
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: twenty three. And I'm having trouble finding a position for

841
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: him because he's kind of really oddly shaped. He doesn't

842
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: look like a defensive end, but he's too small to

843
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: be a defensive tackle. I know, you complain, and you're

844
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: right up, and you're right. He played that kind of

845
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: inside rush position where it's impossible to get to the quarterback.

846
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: See Michael Williams, your thoughts on JOEA. Where he will

847
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: fit in the National Football League wherever he gets drafted.

848
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think Galot is a you know, uh,

849
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: break glass in case emergency players. It's like he's like

850
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: a detonation player demo. You just want to strap a

851
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: stick of dynamite to his back and throw him into

852
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: a backfield. He is really really good when he's allowed

853
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: to come off the land of scrimmage with a fast

854
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: first step of just arriving with speed to power and

855
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: then chaining that into a bowl rush and taking attack.

856
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: When putting him in the lap of the quarterback, he

857
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: is stubby, does not have long arms, so he's not

858
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: gonna easily throw rush moves and separate and then finish

859
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: the sack. But if you're talking about a guy rushing

860
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: opposite an elite rusher, he's gonna have the ability to

861
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: prevent the quarterback from escaping, from moving the quarterback off

862
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: of a spot, and cleaning up lanes for that elite rusher.

863
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: You think about what the Lions wanted Josh Pascal to

864
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: be opposite Aiden Hutchinson, and Pascal has been hurt and

865
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: then when Basketball got healthy, Hudson God hurts.

866
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Speaker 4: Who haven't seen it.

867
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Speaker 3: But if there's that construction of okay, one guy's my

868
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: strong side rusher who's who's going to handle that side

869
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: of the field, so my weakside rusher can dominate. That's

870
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: Gelot fits into that construction. Didn't get to do it

871
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: at Louisville, and he was the best rushing in Louso,

872
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: so they wanted him to be their sack artist. So

873
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: the NFL role is gonna be a lot different than

874
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: the college role. But the NFL role can be valuable

875
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: even if the sack number aren't going to be that high.

876
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: So Marcus Golden, who like Marcus gold Out a couple

877
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: seasons of eight ten sacks, But Marcus Golden is the

878
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: comp here where it's just like, Okay, he's a little

879
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: bit undersize, not long, but boy, if he gets off

880
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, we can go reek.

881
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: Some havoc back there and somebody else can clean up

882
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: the mess for us.

883
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think he's I think he's gonna

884
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: be a really good player, all right. I think linebacker

885
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: is a sneaky need for the Giants. Bobby Ocarike is

886
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: into the third year of his contract. He's not a

887
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: couple of years back. Mike McFadden's going into the last

888
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: year of his rookie deal and I have not watched

889
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: linebackers that they It was my last group.

890
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: But I know you're a big fan, of course in

891
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: swets and you're white.

892
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: Oh Man, Yeah, Sweass is really, really, really good.

893
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: I was just watching his teammate ol Wafami Ladjo, who's

894
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: a linebacker convert to edge, and I hanging got eyes

895
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: on him, and I was watching him last night. I

896
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: just kept on watching Sweats and just been like, man,

897
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: oh man, we have we have a six three two

898
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: and forty pound linebacker can play the pass.

899
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: And he measured too fory the combine. He probably played

900
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: closer to thirty.

901
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: But it's the Fred Warner thing where it's like, all right,

902
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: like if you're gonna be long upright with length, like

903
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: you're always gonna lose to power in the trenches. You

904
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: have to be fast to see the holes developed, you

905
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: have to feel the undercut and slide und her blocks.

906
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: He can do all of this.

907
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: He's great at hiding behind stuff, playing the running back patiently,

908
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: playing multiple gaps. So he's got those tackles out of

909
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: near the line of scrimmage. High tackle player, good solo tackler,

910
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: great form. So okay, he solves the problem between the

911
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: tackles among the trees that his body type is gonna

912
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: give him such that when he drops back in, I

913
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: guess the past.

914
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: Man like.

915
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: There's just stuff you can't teach in terms of reading

916
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: the quarterback, in terms of spacing routes. He used to

917
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: play safety in high school. He converted the linebacker UCLA

918
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: as a walk on, and you can just tell he

919
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: feels it the way that a guy is supposed.

920
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 4: To feel it.

921
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: I remember doing j Oka came out as all his

922
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: safety converts the linebacker on a Notre Dame.

923
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: Jok didn't feel it, man like. He didn't have good

924
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 4: zone spacing.

925
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: He didn't know where how the Dolphins was trying to

926
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: stretch him and relocate him. Schwastinger just he could explain

927
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: it if you asked it to him, but he just

928
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: knows where it's coming. This is a highly impactful passive

929
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: feder for the middle of the field. If you play

930
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: split field defense, this is the exactly the sort of

931
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: the player that you want to be able to put

932
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: there and solve problems for you. I think he should

933
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: go late round one. He's taking some meetings like Ravens.

934
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: Some of these late round one teams but top forty,

935
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: top forty five, I'd expect for sure.

936
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: You can see him going. You see him be an

937
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: impactful starter in year one.

938
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: I love the fact he was a walk on, had

939
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: to fight his way onto the roster, all that stuff.

940
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: Only a one year starter and it wasn't even supposed

941
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: to be the starter coming into the year.

942
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: And then they put him out there and he had

943
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: like eleven tackles and they're like, all right, shoot, leave him.

944
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: And I think, wasn't he one of the reasons they

945
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: moved Ola Dayjo over to edge too so they could

946
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: play him inside.

947
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: Yes, they had.

948
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: They had a big defensive scheme change, and they had

949
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: a big long jam logjam at linebacker position. They had

950
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: a couple guys come out in most recent drafts. They

951
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: have another linebacker I can't remember his name now, starts

952
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: with a K, but he's come out in this class

953
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: like a round seven guys, a high caliber athlete, you know,

954
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: not necessarily a great football player right now, but they

955
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 3: just had an unbelievab run of success with prospects at

956
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: that outside linebacker, inside and labbacker position. So they've had

957
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: like six or seven dudes down the last two or

958
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: three years. Come out as undersized line edges or as

959
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: off ball linebackers, and he was just caught in the shuffle.

960
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: And he's the best of the to come out last year, four.

961
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: Years and I like all the day hoo.

962
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: By the way, as a developmental edge, I watched him

963
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: up close to the senior ball, the violence he plays

964
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: with coming off the edge, and he's really good size.

965
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: Hey, young man has built to play it. Some professional

966
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: football say that right now. He is a well constructed

967
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 4: young man.

968
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is, absolutely Just imagine watching him like right

969
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: up close running those X plays.

970
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. All right, let's go

971
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: to your two defensive backs. Now.

972
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: I don't think the Giants will be huge into defensive

973
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: backs because of all the draft capital and then free

974
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: agent money they used on those two positions over the

975
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: last two years. But as of Thomas, I'm with you.

976
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: I think he has to be in a press system.

977
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: Though you don't want him play inn off in space.

978
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: I think that's a recipe for trouble. And then you're

979
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: a big Andrew mccooba fan. Yeah, bet, this is a great,

980
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: great draft for corners at the top round two. Thomas

981
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: being one of those players I tend to like guys

982
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: who I think can eliminate routes early in the down

983
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: first one second, one point five two seconds, because that's

984
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: so that's my pass rush get home.

985
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: And you have a guy in Thomas.

986
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: Who absolutely like you put him up against Justin Jefferson

987
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: for four quarters. He's gonna lose a couple, no question

988
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: about it. But he also has the ability to win

989
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: on third and five by just suffocating the route, and

990
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: that is not a common trait even among some of

991
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: the cornersho go in the first round. So if I

992
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: can go get that at forty because people are worried

993
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: about the forty yard dash time, I'm fine with that

994
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: because I'm not going to try to play a sort

995
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: of defense where he's running on on forty yard you know,

996
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: straight lines all the time anyway. And so Thomas is

997
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: scheme specific and he has a little bit of risk,

998
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: but he has cardinal traits that you don't always find.

999
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: And if you and if you take a swing on

1000
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: those guys in around two and give him starting opportunities,

1001
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 3: if they can figure it out, then that's very desirable

1002
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: to me. So like Thomas mccuba, man, if you could

1003
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: just if mccuba was just like six foot and a

1004
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: half at like two hundred and five pounds, it'd be

1005
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: like a Round one safety. But he is small and

1006
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: he is very thin, and so you worry about a

1007
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: high physicality play style leading to an injured an injury

1008
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: riddled career. But holy smokes like he will come off

1009
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: the roof free safety eighteen yards back. He will come

1010
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: off the roof and make a tackle with the line

1011
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: of scrimmage on the back like the instincts division and

1012
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: the infield space tackling. I know people have issues with

1013
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: him because he's an anngle by it and he'll die,

1014
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: but he has to do it because he's not big enough.

1015
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: He's gotten very good at it.

1016
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: It's not the best way to tackle, but his efficacy

1017
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: doing so is legitimately impressive because this is just how

1018
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: he's had to live his ability player for the slot

1019
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: because of the size of the transitional quickness, he sees

1020
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: it very fast and then he goes for the football.

1021
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: He has multiple force fumbles this year in pursuit in

1022
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: recovery behind the guy put his hand on the ball,

1023
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: shoulder on the ball. He knows, oh, if I'm not

1024
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: the primary tackler. He's got to knows for getting the

1025
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: ball on the ground, which is impactful play from the

1026
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 3: safety position. So to me, I expect him round two

1027
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: just because of the size constraints. But if he succeeds,

1028
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: he had a fell with his bill and he's going

1029
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: to be a plus starter pushing for Pro Bowls because

1030
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: he's got everything you need.

1031
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: Who's the tiny guy that came out a couple of

1032
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: years ago ended up going in I think into the

1033
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: Ravens starting one.

1034
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: R Darius Washington, yep, who he had to play and

1035
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: start this year. And Washington's even smaller than Thomas Washington.

1036
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: My size is smaller than Akuba.

1037
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 4: And so.

1038
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: He had to play this year for them when they

1039
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 3: had the transitions in safety, and he was actually a

1040
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: pretty useful player for them. Yeah, the guy, he plays

1041
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: very much like Chouty Gardener Johnson. He can do things

1042
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: that Johnson conducers, the instincts, the tackles that line scrimmers

1043
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: covering the slot.

1044
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 4: Johncey plays probably a little bit south of two hundred.

1045
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: Mccooba plays like one to eighty one eighty five, and

1046
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: so it's just the thing the weight to lack of

1047
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: of density that you're worried about.

1048
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: All Right, final question, and I'd like to ask this

1049
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: to you every time we chat, because you watch it

1050
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: as much of more tape than anyone. What are some

1051
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: of the trends in the NFL that you've noticed as

1052
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season went along that you think

1053
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: are predictive to next year and that teams and decision

1054
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: makers and team builders should be keeping in mind as

1055
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: they try to build out their rosters.

1056
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: That's a good question.

1057
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 3: I think they I talked about six offensive line becoming

1058
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 3: a little bit more a valuable thing. You're just increasingly

1059
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: seeing teams and this is a big renaissance year for

1060
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 3: running the football. Okay, Eagles, Ravens, Lions and Bills, and

1061
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: a lot of the talk was, oh, you know Saquon

1062
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: Barkley and Josh Jacobs and Derek Henry and the veteran

1063
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: running back. The other thing is just having the sixth

1064
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: person you can get involved in the running game. This

1065
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: was the thing about Kyle Yuschik and the Niners. It

1066
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: was so valuable in the late twenty tens, just that

1067
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 3: having that sixth body be actually a pactful, not something

1068
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: you choose not like an average tight end, like a

1069
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: legitimate guy. Here for the Bills, they bring in Alec Anderson,

1070
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 3: six off its alignement tight. I played tight end the Ravens, obviously.

1071
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: Patrick recard for the Eagles is Dallas Godds, one of

1072
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: the best run blocking tight ends that you can find

1073
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: in football. Obviously they have Galen Hurts as well to

1074
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: make the math better and so it. The unsexy blocking

1075
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: tight end is never going to start being picked in

1076
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: round two again, like that ain't gonna happen. But I'm

1077
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: telling you it is an important role to have on

1078
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: your offense if you want to be able to run

1079
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: the ball, control the clock, and control gamescript the way

1080
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: that these teams do. So that stands out to me.

1081
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 3: The other thing that stands out to me is we've

1082
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 3: gotten so good at moving receivers around the hiding receivers

1083
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: right like it. Just at this point you know you

1084
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: can get just by anybody open that you want by

1085
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: sending them in motion and snapping the ball with him

1086
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: running around right like two to at well got ten

1087
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: million dollars from the Rams this year. Hasn't had a

1088
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Speaker 3: career like a season more than six hundred receiving yards.

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Speaker 3: But they send him flying around, They send him you know,

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Speaker 3: long speed and whatever. He stresses out the defense for you.

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Speaker 3: So I remember back when we started, I started doing

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Speaker 3: draft coverage man twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. Absolute first thing

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Speaker 3: I would write down usher receivers. How does he get

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Speaker 3: off press coverage?

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Speaker 1: Right? Okay?

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Speaker 3: But he is pressed up a line of scrimmage. How well,

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Speaker 3: how does this guy behave if he if he can't

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00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: solve that problem, there's only so many places I can

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Speaker 3: play him. Now, I'll like forget to write it on

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Speaker 3: a guy like Luthor, Like you know, Luthor Burden, the

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Speaker 3: third Missouri Nancy one rapid press coverage in his life.

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Speaker 3: And when whenever he goes to the NFL, he's not

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Speaker 3: going to a smart team is not gonna put him

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Speaker 3: in a spot where he can get pressed. So we're

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Speaker 3: that's a that's a a because of how how good

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Speaker 3: offense has gotten to moving guys around. That is a

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Speaker 3: skill that has diminished in value. If you can do it,

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Speaker 3: chick right, because now I don't have to worry about

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Speaker 3: scheming you up and go scheme somebody else up. But man,

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Speaker 3: like a guy like a Burden the guy like Matthew

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Speaker 3: Golden out of Texas. You just use JOZ press coverage

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Speaker 3: strips on their film and and that used to be

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Speaker 3: a problem. And now the NFL is like, no, we

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Speaker 3: don't care. We can solve that problem for them, No,

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Speaker 3: no issue.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ben, I talked about your all film story

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Speaker 2: that's up there on ESPN. Anything else you have coming

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Speaker 2: out that you and fans that kind of keep their

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Speaker 2: eye on.

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Speaker 3: I had on my all quarterback mock this this week,

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Speaker 3: which is not actually a box draft, is just trying

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Speaker 3: to predict the exact team, the exact pick for every

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Speaker 3: single quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know, how do the Seahawks want to invest?

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Speaker 3: Okay, do the Vikings need a quarter to kind of

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Speaker 3: going beyond just like, hey, you know, the Titians might

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Speaker 3: take cam Ward.

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Speaker 4: We're kind of trying to go to some of the

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Speaker 4: late round guys.

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Speaker 3: And so if you're a team that needs a QB

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Speaker 3: two or you're just interested in where where Cayle mccorr is.

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Speaker 4: Gonna go, it's a goodiece for you. Go check it out.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a do you have a guy with

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Speaker 1: the Giants yet? Are you still working on it?

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Speaker 4: I put Shador at three to the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Giants with the Russ and with

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Speaker 3: the Winston contracts, I think it's either they take a

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Speaker 3: guy very early or they don't take a guy at all.

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Speaker 3: And so if they're going to take a quarterback, I

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Speaker 3: expected to be one of the top names of one

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Speaker 3: of the top picks. We will say. I mean I

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Speaker 3: I Giants are tough, tough, rutting up cracks. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah they are.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I think that there are some

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Speaker 2: things with Russ and Shadoor that are not completely dissimilar.

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Speaker 1: By the way, in terms of how they do certain things.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, Chador is better middle of the field,

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Speaker 2: Russ is more athletic. They both throw really high arching

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Speaker 2: deep balls. I think they both hold the ball maybe

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Speaker 2: a little bit more than they should. So I do

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Speaker 2: think there are some things with those two guys that

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Speaker 2: are little similar. Ben Solak ESPN appreciate the time, my friend.

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Speaker 2: This is always fun catching up with you. Enjoy the

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Speaker 2: next two weeks as we grind out the rest of.

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Speaker 1: These draft prospects.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, John, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Ben Solac joining us from the Hackensack Marine Health Podcast studio,

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Speaker 2: keep getting better. That's the Johns Total Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Everybody,