1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm a Yes Williams. Welcome to the Player's Podcast today. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm excited to spend time with coach Bill Coward and 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Did you know that he was actually 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: a wolf Pack played for Lou Holts in Some of 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: the the stories that he will share has to do 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: not only with the Trumps, but what the adversities. The 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: Hardest Steel is a book that he's written, and I 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: can't wait for each of you all to hear this. 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Let's listen in. It's fascinating, coach, because you you coach 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: Rod Woodson as well as Frank Manfield, Frankie and Cleveland 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: obviously all Rod and with the Steelers, both of those 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: guys had significant impact on my vision as to what 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: type of player I wanted to be. What was it 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: like coaching those guys? You know it was it was 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: really you know, I was blessed to be able to 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: have the talent of that nature. You know. When I 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: was in Cleveland, I went to go coach defensive backs 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: and the inst and Barty shotten Eber said, you're a 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: coach of defensive backs, like I never even played defensive 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: back before. So we sat down and talked about the techniques. 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: I had probably the most fun coaching them, coaching the 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: deep Felix Right and Al Gross and Chris Rokins, and 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: I had HAMPERD Dixon in the menifield my first tiers, 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: and I had played with these guys earlier. So I 25 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: walked into that meeting, you know, with men of fielding. 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Dixon like you're you're coaching us, and I'm like, yeah, 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: I am. And so I learned a lot about preparation 28 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: because I said, if they asked me a question, I said, 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: I might have the answer. Now we'll get back to 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: you and have the answer. And I go to Kansas City, 31 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: who was my two corners, Albert Lewis and Kevin Ross. 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: One of the best secondaries with Lloyd Burris and Doron Cherry. 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: So now I get a chance to go to Pittsburgh. 34 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: Who's the corner It's Rod Woodson, David Johnson RNL wake. Okay, 35 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: so secondary players, I've been blessed to have some very 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: very talented ones in the course of my coaching career. 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: But what comes first the chicken at the aid? Did 38 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: you have these great players? Because they were talent in 39 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: and of themselves, are great. Coaching helps bring out the 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: best in great players. You know it is I think 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: that you have to have a degree of talent to 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: play in the secondary. But if you can apply to 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: talent with being a student of the game, which to 44 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: me is that's the great ones separated themselves. When I 45 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: came in there to to the billing. Rod Woodson was 46 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: already in there. When I came into the building, Troy 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: paulam who was already in there. They're studying take They're 48 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: looking for the competitive then you're looking for a split 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: maybe a stance that would give them a feeling for 50 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: what the players want to be. Look at the backfield set. 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: So you take talent and you have to have something 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: to work with. But then if they can apply the 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: little things you can enhance that with you know, let's 54 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: try this and then give him the leeway to be 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: confident enough to feel free enough to trust their instincts. 56 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: Right like you, I mean, you're not making those air 57 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: insteptions because I coached you that way. But hopefully towards 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: of your preparation, I helped you feel confident enough, instinctive 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: enough to make that decision you mentioned about being a player. 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: What players you end up coaching, what's that nuanced. Like 61 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: my dad is was trained as a master manager, and 62 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: he said, when you're an employee, you're an employee. When 63 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: you become a manager, you have to think differently than 64 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: an employee. What was that like? You know, it's interesting 65 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: that I go back to the book you know, I 66 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: got coming out Heart and Steal, and it's kind of 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: a memoir that talks about my upbringing and like you 68 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: talked about my father wasn't a constance and I was 69 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: good with numbers, but I was always having work and 70 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: so and I was very appreciative of the coaches and 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: the teachers that I had along the way. The mentor 72 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: is that you have And I just feel like, you know, 73 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: when you look at teaching coaching, if you are being 74 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: a teacher, you're being a father. I used to always 75 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: say at three boys, three girls at home, and fifty 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 1: two boys at work. And and because they were my kids, 77 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: it's so funny. I always remember, I said always three 78 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: things I used to start off every training camp with. 79 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: I said the same things I talked to my daughters about. 80 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: It's you know, when you talk about leadership, you talk 81 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: about pulling people accountable. When you're in that position, you know, 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: a lot of times accountabilities about decision making right, and 83 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: so that's the same thing you're talking to your kids about. 84 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: And I said, the first thing is choices and consequences. 85 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: And Marty Schotenheimer said this to me at one point. 86 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: I had this in the book. I already said, you 87 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: have control over your choice, but once you make your choice, 88 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: it controls you. So think, think about choices and consequences. 89 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: I think it's very true for your kids. I think 90 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: it's very true for players. Now we're two. It's the 91 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: people you surround yourself with were all known, you know 92 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: as well as I do. You know, sometimes family becomes 93 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: one of the toughest things to deal with me to 94 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: have started to have success, you know, the entourage that 95 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: comes around when they all of a sudden you're popular again. 96 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: So the people you surround yourself what with, will also 97 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: influence the decisions that you make. So I always wanted 98 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: to be a purpose driven people. Now people are just 99 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: happy to be living in and now people are purpose driven. 100 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: And the last one is probably the most important one, 101 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: which I think I had just as much with my 102 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: players that that do with my daughters. Nothing good happens 103 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: after midnight, so you know where you think about that 104 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: As a coach, that's the kind of I guess leadership 105 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: and insight you're trying to give to your players. It's 106 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: a segue into the book. In the book, you talk 107 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: a lot about passion, and I guess the first question 108 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: I asked you when you put the film on watching 109 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: a prospective player coming out of college, I would assume 110 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: passion oozes out when you're looking at a player. Is 111 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: that correct? Yeah? You know, it's so funny because there's 112 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: so many different ways you're looking at the passion, you're 113 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: looking at the effort, you're trying to talk with the 114 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: people around them. Then you have to make the decision, 115 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: can I get a little bit more out of him? 116 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: Can I get him to do this all the time? 117 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: I see it, I see it flashes of it, But 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: can if I If I can get this guy to 119 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 1: do it all the time, I can get a pretty 120 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: special player. So then you have to go back into again, 121 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: as we talk about anything else, it's it's someone's upbringing. 122 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: Who's the most influential person in that person's life. Who 123 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: are they listening to? You know when they are having 124 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: some hardships? Because I say, you know, to me, life 125 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: is about hardships, opportunities and lessons, right, and that's to 126 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: me what this book is about. A lot of those 127 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: things mold who you are as people. So if you 128 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: can find a way of understanding those players, who are they, 129 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: where have they come from? And let's look at their 130 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: talent and the system they're in and can we get 131 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: more out of them? You can we get it more 132 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: on a consistent basis. So all these little intangible as 133 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: you're looking for when you look for a player, but 134 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: it does start with is ball important to them? And 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: that has to be number one? And you said football 136 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: is employant? You say, can I get how do you know? 137 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: I know? You said, I talked to who influenced them? 138 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: How do you know that's something left in the tank 139 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: that they're not, for whatever reason, is not being pulled 140 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: out at the collegiate level. I I think a lot 141 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: of times you don't. You don't totally know. I mean, 142 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: it's hard to really know the background of someone as 143 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: you get ready to watch someone for a draft, As 144 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: you start to get this information in about a three 145 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: month period of time. You know, obviously the one on 146 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: one to face to face, the eye to eye when 147 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: you talk to players where you know it's it's unscripted. 148 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: I need to have unscripted conversations with you because I 149 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: think at some point to of course that conversation, I'll 150 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: see whether or not you are a manufactured response, is 151 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: what you've been taught to say, or are you speaking 152 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: from the heart. So I think that sometimes you have 153 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: to talk to people face to face and sometimes working 154 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: with people face two things. As I said, even in 155 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: this book, you know my first coaching stuff. I never 156 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: worked with any of these guys before. Until you work 157 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: with a player, until you work with a coach, until 158 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: you work with people, we don't really know who they are, 159 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: right because until you face adversity. Two, you have to 160 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: handle success, and then you see how people respond to 161 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: certain things, and that's when you really find out who 162 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: they really are. Where does passion come from. It comes 163 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: from the heart, That comes from a belief. It comes 164 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: from a love of something, a pride in something, a 165 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: desire to do something you know, to be special, you know, 166 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: to prove somebody else wrong, you know something. It's something 167 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: that burns inside you that that just pushes you to 168 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: another level. And if you see it, and I think 169 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: sometimes it's you know, those are the things that we 170 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: have to look for. I'm sorry, coach. It sounds like 171 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: passion can be derived from players from different areas. So 172 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: it's not all that. No, it isn't. It isn't the same. 173 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: And some guys are passionate about it but don't show it. 174 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: Other guys show it, but they're really not passionate about it, right, 175 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm just trying to figure out, like 176 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: a great teacher does with always students. Some people can 177 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: learn verbally. Some people need to be on the board 178 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: as some people they become a little bit, you know, isolated. 179 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: Some people are just being outward. So it's trying to 180 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: get to know the player the person and finding the 181 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: right buttons to get them to be pushed where you 182 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: can try to make them better than they really are, 183 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: and to consistently push that button, but also making sure 184 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: that you don't lose them in the process. I had 185 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: no idea knowing my fellow teammate Tory Hope you will 186 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: a fellow wolf Pack. Yeah, I have NC stated, Yeah, 187 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: and I never knew coach Lou Holtz coach that NC State. 188 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: What was it like being recruited by coach Lou Hopes, Well, 189 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: Loui Holtz. He uh even to my to my house 190 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: when I was a senior in high school in western 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and just totally enthralled my father. And so I 192 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: only had two scholarship offers coming out of high school. 193 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: When was the William and Mary and when to NC 194 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: State and NC State. I think it's just because of 195 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: an extra scholarship. I was a very skinny kid and 196 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't run fast just as a football player, you know. 197 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: So I went down there and played for coach holes 198 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: for one year before he left to go to the Jets. 199 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: But coach Holts had a presence about him in a 200 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: meeting room and he was one of those guys that 201 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: just you know, when he spoke, um, you didn't question anything, 202 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: You just didn't. And he was he was quite impactful. 203 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: And knowing having played for coach Lou Holtz at the 204 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: collegiate level, were you surprised now that you've coached in 205 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: the NFL as an NFL head coach? Is it surprising 206 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: to you that Coach Holtz didn't last very long coaching 207 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: and a head coach in the NFL. Well, you know, 208 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: I think he could have, but sometimes and it's something. 209 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: It's where you go for coach holes. His first uh, 210 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: his first stint in the NFL with the New York Jets, 211 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: with the New York media, with the New York players 212 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: in the NFL at a time where he's gonna try 213 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: to institute curfews. Are you kidding me? So? Um, it 214 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: was like that was not gonna go over real well, 215 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: or like it was not gonna be totally accepted. Like 216 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: you would be walking into college, you know, meeting room. 217 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: Whatever you say, the players are saying, yeah, I'll do it. 218 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: You go into a pro beeting room the first day, 219 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: you're gonna say something to say, why why don't I 220 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: have to do it? So that's what you have to 221 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: get used to in the pro level was that you've 222 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: got players who are really good at every school around 223 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: the country. If they come in and you're trying to 224 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: bring everybody together and ask them to leave their egos 225 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: at the door, just know they can leave their egos 226 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: at the door, but don't challenge because they have egos. Now, 227 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: what you're trying to do is bring everybody together. So 228 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: you have better be a much better listener at the 229 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: pro level than you were at the college let So 230 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: that's interest you said, a much better listener. Yes, tell 231 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: me what what are you listening for at the pro level, 232 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: You're you're you're listening to these players who fixcel them 233 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: at a very high level. At the college level, and 234 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: you're in student instituting systems and maybe changing asking them 235 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: to change a certain technique. Well, be a little flexible 236 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: with that. If they're good at what they do, you 237 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: be more adjustable and work with them in as just halfway. 238 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: So you need to have conversation. A lot of times, 239 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: I feel like in college you're just telling them what 240 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: to do. You're giving them the technique, You're telling this 241 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: is what it is because they're just learning the game. 242 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: Now you've got players who are played the game at 243 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: a very high level, coming from all over the world, 244 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: difference different socio economic upbringings, and you're trying to bring 245 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: this everybody together and ask them to be he selfs 246 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: to be part of the team. Well, there's there's gonna 247 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: be a little given tape as that relates. So dealing 248 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: with people. Relationship building is a big part of being 249 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: successful as being a leader. Like I said, great leaders 250 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: are great listenings. They are not just telling people what 251 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: to do. They're listening to where that person is at 252 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: and helping them and directing them and inspiring them along 253 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: the way. What's one of the most important things that 254 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: you learned from coach Marty Scheinenheimer. Preparation. He left no 255 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: stone unturned. You know, there was two guys in this 256 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: and I talked about it. You know, I was so 257 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: blessed to have a great parents, institute of great moral 258 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: values in me Marty Schaudendeimer. I played for him, I 259 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: coached for him. You know, he was such a student 260 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: of the game and to him and for me, it 261 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: was just making sure that everybody knew what their responsibilities were. 262 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: You know, he would not left. We couldn't just do 263 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: things if we wanted to do it. We had to 264 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: make sure. He told him, if Okay, whatever happened, they 265 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: go empty set, they motion here, they motion there, But 266 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: they can't do that, coach, because we're gonna have one 267 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: more than they can rush with what if they can. 268 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: So we kind of covered every scenario and so when 269 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: Sundays came, we had everything covered. So preparation was everything 270 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: in his consistency with which he messaged the team. He 271 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: can message the team in different ways. It was the 272 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: same message, very consistent. Players listen, players responded, and his 273 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: record speaks for himself. And I think I went to 274 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: the next level. If I'm Dan Rooney, I learned the 275 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: element of the you know, of not be afraid to 276 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: make tough decisions, but also developing a family environment. Between 277 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: those two people, Dan Rooney and Marty Schottenheimer, they helped 278 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: mold not just a coach I am today, the husband 279 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: I am today and the father I am today. You 280 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: get your first head coaching job at age thirty four? Yeah? 281 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: What was that? Like? Well it is, so how about 282 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: this one? So I grew up in western Pennsylvania. I 283 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: go back intore the interview rest Jeremy offers me the job. 284 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: I go back to Kansas City. I'm staying in bed 285 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, wow, wow, wow, if I 286 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: mean if I, if I don't screw this up. I 287 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: go back to my twentieth high school class for Union 288 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: as a head coach of my hometown team. So my 289 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: whole my whole goal was for three years not to 290 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: get fired. So I can go back to my twente 291 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: high school class for Unions as the hometown team and 292 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: how about this. We had our twentieth class reunion, right, 293 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: you're right, before we go to the super Bowl, but 294 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: we haven't on a river cruise. So I go on 295 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: this river cruise. I can't get off the boat for 296 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: three albums. We had just lost an ANC championship to 297 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: the San Diego Charges that the year before. I got 298 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: all the guys I would I went to high school 299 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: and tell me all the things we did wrong in 300 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: that game and all the things we be doing better 301 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: for the following year. So what I learned from that 302 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: lesson learned from this, don't get on a river cruise 303 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: with your with your college guys, a high school guys 304 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: when you can't get off. I was on there and 305 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: I said, yes, you're right, you're right, and you're right. 306 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: I was absolutely wrong. I'll take your advice. What what 307 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: time is it? We almost off this cruise? So Coach Ben, 308 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: you said you can you you got offered the job, 309 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: you go back to Kanda ce or you be it 310 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: and you lay it down. So the question is did 311 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: you have any equaling that they would offer you the job? 312 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: But was this okay? Well let me do interviews. Well 313 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: I did the interviews. This was like the last interview 314 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: that I did with them, and I, you know, I 315 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: had going through a series of about two weeks where 316 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: Mr Roy would call me when I was in Kansas 317 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: City and this kind of asked about the family, really 318 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: never talked football. I came here for a second interview 319 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: and that's when he offered me the job. And I 320 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: never put myself in a position. I'll just you know, 321 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: my name was up. I was coordinating here. We're pretty 322 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: good defense in Kansas City, and it's up the year 323 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: before for the Cleveland Brown's job. Bill Belichick got that. 324 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Ironically enough, Bill and I have been good friends and 325 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: and we had shared a lot when he was coordinated 326 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: with the Giants and I was in Kansas City. He 327 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: gets we go both to come finals for Brown's job 328 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: in ninety one. He gets it. I go back to 329 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: Kansas City. We're still pretty friendly, and all of a sudden, 330 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: next year, I go to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Went from 331 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: friends day adversaries right overnight. Didn't talk about after that. 332 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: So it was so yeah, you know, I got it. 333 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: And um, like I said, I was, you know, thirty 334 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: four years old. Following Chuck no the history of the 335 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers, the expectations that go with being there four 336 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: super Bowls, and it was pretty daunting. Tell us, what 337 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: is the culture with the Steelers to have such low 338 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: majevity would hit coaches? You you're a young coach, coach Tomlins, 339 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: and it is. It's funny because we're all we were 340 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: all hired, were on that age of thirty four to 341 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: thirty six, right, and we all came into this this 342 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: football team that was run by you know, the first 343 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: was the chief, then it was Dan. Now it's art, 344 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: this family atmosphere that you walk into and you can 345 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: just feel it. And they they were about the people 346 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh. You know, it was you. You weren't just 347 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: playing for the Pittsburgh Stewers. You were You're playing for 348 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: a blue collar, you know, football team that represents the people. 349 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: And I said, I get it. I grew up here, 350 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: I get it. You know, we're gonna be lunch pail. 351 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna come to work, We're gonna do their job, 352 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: no matter who gets the credit. Well, you know, whatever 353 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: happens is gonna happen. We're gonna go back tomorrow. We're 354 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: gonna bring our lunch pail again. And we're gonna do 355 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: the same thing. That's just who we are. We work hard, 356 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: we like to win, we love to compete. We're at 357 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: that great pride and everything we do, we know what 358 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: we represent, represent the city that has made a probleful people, 359 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: hard working people. So that was kind of what we established. 360 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: And I think when you think about each coach that 361 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: they went there from chok Ause I picked it up 362 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: to now turning over to Mike, and you know, I 363 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: think that again, the one stability thing, one stable thing 364 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: is that the Rooney family has been in charge of 365 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: that whole thing. They let you coach your football team, 366 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: just like with your family. A lot, a lot of times, 367 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: there's gonna be bumps along the way. You work through it, 368 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: you talk through it, but you don't have to be 369 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: so quick to make changes. You work through the tough times. 370 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: Because you work through the tough times, it makes for 371 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: the better times. Thank you, coach. One of the hit 372 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: coaches that we're calling it modern football history wanted a 373 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: bess coach, Bill Belichick. What are some of the things 374 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: you learned from Bill? Truthfully, humility. I think Bill, Bill 375 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: Parcels and Bill Belichick and I talked about them both 376 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: from this book, I learned so much. I know Bill 377 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: Parcel else did a great job of using the media 378 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: to send messages to his team, and I took me 379 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: a while to realize why you can do That's I 380 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: see what he's doing now. Bill Belichick would win games. 381 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: He's onto the next game, whether he wins or losers. 382 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: He's he's not sitting there, he's just he his humility 383 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: with how they played, which is why they were so 384 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,239 Speaker 1: consistent here and you're out. He never got caught up 385 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: in it. You know. I used to say, you know, 386 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: everything's about life is about perspective, right. The perspective is 387 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: is so much a part of dealing it. And I'd 388 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: say this to the team every year. You know, it's 389 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: a royal coaster ride. You can't get too how the 390 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: highs are too low with the loads. And I said, 391 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: think about this. You're never as good as you think 392 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: you are, and you're never as bad as they say 393 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: you are. It's never as good as it seems. It's 394 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: never as bad as it appears. Because part of going 395 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: through a season is trying to keep balanced, try and 396 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: keep everything in perspective. And I think if you're able 397 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: to do that, and as those two coaches were always 398 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: able to do that, you're gonna get the same result 399 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: weekend and week out. Try and make every game personal. 400 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: Don't get caught up in the wind streaks, don't get 401 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: caught up in and they're losing. So I learned a 402 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: lot of that through those two coaches. Now, no one 403 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: probably that follows football would have connected the word humility 404 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: with those two coaches. Yeah. Yeah, but when you think 405 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: about them, when you think about their respect for the game, 406 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: they both respect the game. And if they ever felt 407 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: like someone on their side was disrespecting the game, they 408 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: weren't there. They didn't put up with it, you know. 409 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: So I don't don't. I wouldn't want to say that's 410 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: old schools. I think today players respect the game. It's 411 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: just a different game. But I think that the one 412 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: thing that you learn about that is it's it's not 413 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: about them. It's about the team. It's not about being selfless, 414 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: it's about preparation, it's about hard work, and you know 415 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: not it's not about any one player. It's about a team. 416 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: And so I think both those guys, I think that 417 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: they exemplified that. I keep hearing the word preparation over 418 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: and over again. Yeah you prepared, right, I mean, you 419 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: knew your opponent and you're not gonna get buy in 420 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: the National Football League and this just with your talent. 421 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of great players who come into 422 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: this league. They figured it. It's been so easy at 423 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: every level right here, this is this is a new level. Now. 424 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: If I can do anything as a coach to get 425 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: you to understand how important the preparation is. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 426 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: the little things in practice, the little things you're looking 427 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: for when you watch tape. It is to sit there 428 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: and say, so, did you watch this game? Yeah? I 429 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: watched it. What'd you take out of him? What do 430 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: you mean, Well, you don't just watch it like a fan, 431 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: watch it as a professional. Look for a little you know, syncracies, 432 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: the little competitive edge that you can get from. You 433 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 1: see anything in the stance, What about this formation? How 434 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: about that motion? Do you see his eyes? Look at 435 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: his knuckles? You go look at the end zone. Watch 436 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: more enzone tape because that's how you're gonna see the game. 437 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's trying to teach players how to 438 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: prepare because a lot of people don't know how to prepare. 439 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: But isn't that what teachers do, teach you how to 440 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: do your homework. Do your homework. You know, you gotta 441 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: getta tell you. If you don't do your homework, I 442 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: guarantee you're not going to pass the test. Well, homework 443 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: is preparation of football. Your test is on Sunday. But 444 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: if you're not doing your work during the week, you're 445 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: going to fail your test. As we transition to your 446 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: your first wife, Kay, that's adversity. How did you manage 447 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: to make it through losing a spouse? You know it 448 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: was it was not easy. No, it was not easy 449 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: to talk about in this book. You know, I got 450 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: with Michael Holly, and thank god, Michael Holly was the 451 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: perfect person to collaborate with. I said, Michael Holly, I 452 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: used to get done. I spent over forty hours talking 453 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: with him. He was I talked to him. He was 454 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: almost like a licensed therapist for me. We talked about 455 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: a period of time with two thousand and ten. You know, 456 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: I stepped down from the Pittsburgh Steelers, who was a 457 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: family decision and again was elaborated in there in the book. 458 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: But I went done, and you know, my wife had 459 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: been with me since college, and we had three daughters, 460 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: and she had dedicated her life to be in my 461 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: partner and she was the backbone of our family. Our 462 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: daughters are very grounded. She allowed me to be who 463 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't working at times, told me how I could 464 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: be better. You don't have to be so loud and 465 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: not be yelling at cursons on the sideline. Okay, you're right, okay. 466 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: And I come home and I was not even a 467 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: head coach. I wouldn't even a coordinator at home because 468 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: the girls were recording. I was like an assistant coach. 469 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: I just told what to do. So she just had 470 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: a great perspective and balance that our family had. And 471 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: when she got diagnosed with cancer, going through that her 472 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: I'm the hardest thing I had ever had to do 473 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: in this and ironically, my father in two thousand and 474 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: ten died three months before my wife did. So I 475 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: dealt with the loss of my father, then dealt the 476 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: loss of my wife, and I was hard. You know, 477 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: on grieving is something that's very personal. I talked about 478 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: it in the book. I don't know if I did 479 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: the right thing. I did what I thought was the 480 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: right thing. I was me and we were a very 481 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: close family, the respecting my wife very much and we 482 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: worked through it and to the point of even today 483 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: being married now to my current wife v who was 484 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: a musician Roin not much of the background of sports. 485 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: She was a perfect person to come in. Women have 486 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: been a big part of my life, from my mom, 487 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: the pat Rooney, the past Schottenheimer two K, to my 488 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: three girls, to my wife Veronica Stigma V as I 489 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: call it, they've given me balance. I always said, part 490 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: of life is three things. It's transition, all transition from 491 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: one phase to another. You better have a great perspective. 492 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: If you have a great perspective on life, as I 493 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: said before, it's never as good as a scene appears, 494 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: never as bad as it seems, You're gonna have great 495 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: balance in your life. I have faith, faith in my life, 496 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: family in my life, women in my life. So they 497 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: have been that give me great balance in a man's 498 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: world of football. The Good Lord has given me faith 499 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: that I believe in faith. I also believe that it 500 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: doesn't just tell you where you're going, that you have 501 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: to apply core values a long way decision making you 502 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: control your own faith to a degree. But there was 503 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: a degree of faith that will take place, and the 504 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: Good Lord will give you nothing you can't handle. So 505 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: I continue to grow through the period of this transition 506 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: from coaching to to CBS, from being grown up a 507 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: little Pittsburgh living right now in New York City. But 508 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: isn't everybody else probably having a lot of the same story. 509 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: And if this book can inspire anybody or help somebody's 510 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: going down that path hardship, opportunity and lessons and trying 511 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: to make the right decision, and then that's worth it. 512 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: It's uh. I can't wait to see you in Canton, 513 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: my future and fellow in trying. Congratulations seeing the big 514 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: David Baker, the president of Pro Football Hall of Fame. 515 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: I think he showed up on your set, Is that correct? 516 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: He did in the as he did show up on 517 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: our set. And I gotta tell you being down there 518 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: and lost the loss of brethren and Kevin Green right, 519 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: and you you represent the gold Jacket as well as anybody, 520 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: And you've spoke to us about the responsibility that we have, 521 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: the obligation that we have, the opportunity that we have 522 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: to use our platform to make a difference. You and 523 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: here is are making a difference as well. I thank you, 524 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: I look forward to you, and hey, now I'll get 525 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: to finally play for me and play with me so 526 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: litally well, Coach, I'm excited to to get a copy 527 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: of book Harder Steal and a lot of what we 528 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: talked about in the podcast will be in that book 529 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to getting a copy. Thank this, 530 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: so you a Kenny, and the best is yet to come. 531 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: To provide feedback or request a topic for discussion, email 532 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: us at NFL Legends at NFL dot com.