WEBVTT - Futility

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an

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<v Speaker 4>SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger.

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<v Speaker 2>We're coming to you live from Atlanta, Georgia, and here

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<v Speaker 2>we do SVU. We talk true crime and because of

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<v Speaker 2>the strike, we do not have any guests, but no fear.

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<v Speaker 2>We're Virgos and we will continue talking. And it is

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<v Speaker 2>Virgo season. Oh actually, as this as this releases, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not Virgo season anymore. It's Libra season. Damn.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, but we are the forgotten Sign. If I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being honest, Libra's like I remember playing a game where

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<v Speaker 2>you have to name a name whatever, like you have

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<v Speaker 2>to name all fifty states, and I always forget Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that you're in my life, I wouldn't, but I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like Libra is the Connecticut of sign. Just like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you even about just hanging out there middle Fall?

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<v Speaker 3>You mean nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>They have that Libras are the scale, right, so are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Like supposed to be balanced people.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Oh, I guess we love justice on

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<v Speaker 3>this pod. That's true. Oh my god. Svu is a Libra.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, no, because it's beard on your birthday, my birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>So s few is a virgo. Yep, fuck that s

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<v Speaker 1>Few was born on my birthday. And we are coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you live right now from not live, very unlive

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<v Speaker 1>in the time machine.

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<v Speaker 3>We are coming to you from Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa and I are in a suite that has two bedrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are just in different rooms recording the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I thought you guys might like to know

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<v Speaker 1>that I can literally hear her echo outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>room as she speaks. But last night we got into

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta early and we went swimming.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, at a at a.

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<v Speaker 2>Pal's pool, and I think I had a special connection

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<v Speaker 2>with the Black Lab, if we're being honest, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Like this Black Lab was like, oh, this girl

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<v Speaker 1>came to play and just did ninety thousand belly flops

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<v Speaker 1>into the pool. Every time Lisa dove into the water,

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Lab was like, yes, bitch, and like followed

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<v Speaker 1>and jumped on top of her. It was wild. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never saw Yeah, that. The people were like, oh, he

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<v Speaker 1>will continue flopping until his paws bleed. Yeah, that's saying

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<v Speaker 1>that the fur on his belly is gone because he

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<v Speaker 1>cannot stop belly flopping. That he goes into the pool

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<v Speaker 1>every single day. Yeah, basically we were in a dog pool.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just we were using his pool.

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<v Speaker 3>We were in his worlds. He's like, what are these

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<v Speaker 3>bitches doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he had this little chew toy that was

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of brie. Right, it was like a little

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<v Speaker 1>wheel of brie. So we kept throwing the bree to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Time's funny to do something so much that, like your

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<v Speaker 1>humans have to take you in because your paws are

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<v Speaker 1>just bleeding, but you just can't stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't know if there's anything I would continue

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<v Speaker 1>doing until I was full of leaving, just bleeding and

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding my body. No, couldn't be me. I guest smoking weed.

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<v Speaker 1>But even then, my pawbeds are doing good.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Your little paws are intact. Yeah, oh I want Oh sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>what about the flight. Oh, it was a fun flight.

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<v Speaker 2>And I loved being the gen Allians of the group

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<v Speaker 2>in business class and watching you walk right past me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that there's now a reference, like it

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<v Speaker 2>would just be like, oh, I'm in first class and

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<v Speaker 2>now I can go, oh, I'm just gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>little gen alliance today.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, she's come at us strong.

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<v Speaker 2>I always love when the women of Real House has

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<v Speaker 2>are a new franch or anything, they think they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>spin it and not be the villains. Like they thought

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<v Speaker 2>we would all hate Jenna because she's rich and in

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<v Speaker 2>first class, and instead we're like, leave her alone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is real House says of New York, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>confused by it. And they all got mad at this

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<v Speaker 2>woman who's twenty years older than them. She's six feet tall,

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<v Speaker 2>she has just had mouth surgery, and she has a

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<v Speaker 2>skin condition, and so she went down early on a

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<v Speaker 2>business class flight to get a little tam because she's

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<v Speaker 2>feeling insecure, and these girls pounced on her, pounced on her.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like one of the most manufactured, boring storyline

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<v Speaker 1>things I've ever seen. Like I think maybe a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago people would have cared about that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like the Ramota bethany days, people may have cared,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like, I just don't think anybody cares about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They were not separate flights. They care though, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's manufactured. I think these bit are truly

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<v Speaker 1>like jealous of her. They want to they think they're

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<v Speaker 1>equal to Jena Lions. They're they're not self aware. They're delusional.

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<v Speaker 1>They're delulu. That's a new word I learned. They're delulu.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a little bit delulu.

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<v Speaker 3>They so.

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<v Speaker 1>I just as I opened my phone this morning, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an article in the cut about Gena Lions and she

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<v Speaker 1>has about like whether she could still form a beauty

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<v Speaker 1>brand without ruining her reputation since going on The Real Housewives.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she can because I think she's coming off

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<v Speaker 1>very well on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>And she said an interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now of course I can't find it, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>something along the lines of like, I'm twenty years older

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<v Speaker 1>than these women, like I have spent a really long

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<v Speaker 1>time like thinking before I speak, like trying to be professional,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be a boss, and then these like thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six year old women come on the show and are

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<v Speaker 1>just like why, Like, so, she's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like you guys. She's not going to come out

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<v Speaker 1>with like all of her personal information on the pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like that's just not how she has come up,

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<v Speaker 1>which I respect, you know come up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like they're just like, honey, we're not posting her

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<v Speaker 2>stuff for free. And it's like she was the head

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<v Speaker 2>of j crew and work there for twenty seven Who

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<v Speaker 2>do you think you are? She's remodeling Rockefeller Center, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't get Sometimes someone is better than you,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's better to admit it than to fight

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<v Speaker 2>it and go.

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<v Speaker 1>How is the Four Seasons Jenna? It was honestly worse

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<v Speaker 1>than her house?

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<v Speaker 3>How about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like she's Jenna Fucking Lions and she's coming off stylish.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know everything she's doing at every moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe she says shy and goody goody, because

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard stories of her in the boardroom. Right, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this whole like I've never been on a girl's trip.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you've never been to Dinah Shore. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>buy it. I don't buy it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so true.

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<v Speaker 1>JFL used to stand for Just for Laughs Comedy Festival,

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<v Speaker 1>but now Jenna Fucking Lions. Everyone's use it, throwing JFL

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<v Speaker 1>around everywhere. I was wondering how you're gonna connect to

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<v Speaker 1>the festival. Is what happened right now. But we took

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<v Speaker 1>a turn. Wait, speaking of taking a turn, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to shout out a friend of the pod.

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<v Speaker 1>If you came to our very first LA show, he

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<v Speaker 1>sold you merch. My dear friend from high school, Jed.

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<v Speaker 1>He listens to the pod. He just had a surprise

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<v Speaker 1>medical procedure. I'll say, And I just want to say

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<v Speaker 1>hi Jed, and I hope you're doing great, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope everybody can send collective love and good good vibes

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<v Speaker 1>to my friend Jed. Jed word my friend since third grade.

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<v Speaker 1>They were both you probably know this biggest gossips in

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<v Speaker 1>yeah school superlatives. That was our superlative baby, and nothing's changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us your secrets say nothing. Should we start to

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<v Speaker 1>text us your secrets?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>I sort of love the idea of like a phone line,

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<v Speaker 1>like a Google voice line for the pod, and people

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<v Speaker 1>just call of us and text us. They tell us

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<v Speaker 1>our secrets in their DA and the dms. We get

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<v Speaker 1>some secrets loose on the insta. I guess a more

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<v Speaker 1>not fun thing, but also good. Danny Masterson getting thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years is I've heard of, because no one gets thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's usually like, did you rape a family, here's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple months, Like it never works out. So it is

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<v Speaker 1>so disappointing that all these letters of support came out

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<v Speaker 1>when it's like, you don't get thirty years when you're

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<v Speaker 1>a white, rich person in scientology.

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<v Speaker 3>If you didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there must have been like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>proof because this is that is a sentence. That is

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<v Speaker 1>quite a sentence, And I guess we learned a lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>Do not write character letters for rapists who cares if

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<v Speaker 1>they're your friend or sibling or cause what are you

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<v Speaker 1>talking about? You fucking yeah, somebody like this guy I

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<v Speaker 1>follow on Instagram that I love, Matt XIV. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they have this great Instagram and I always love what

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<v Speaker 1>they post. And one of the things was every single

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<v Speaker 1>person that's ever raped or murdered someone has been nice

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<v Speaker 1>to another person in their life, Like you can still

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<v Speaker 1>be an abuser and be nice to other people, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just crazy to be like I know one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>percent that this person didn't do this because they were

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<v Speaker 1>on a TV show with me and I liked them. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's just so you also know, they're part of

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<v Speaker 1>a extremely shady religion that hides the truth all the

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<v Speaker 1>time and investigates people and does intimidation campaigns. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe I'm even talking this much about scientology

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<v Speaker 1>because they truly freak me out. But please don't come

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<v Speaker 1>for me scientology. I can't handle it. I'm just happy

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<v Speaker 1>that Leah Remni keeps surviving because that's good. Yeah, she's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like too high profile now if they do something

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<v Speaker 1>to her, it's like too shady. Yeah, I just and

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<v Speaker 1>what we learned from as you so much in the

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<v Speaker 1>real world and all the cases, it's like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of abusers purposely are trusting members of the community. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how you build trust and get people to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not tell or no one trusts you, Like of course

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's gonna believe if like Rusty the pervert from the shack, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, behind in the woods. Yeah, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a reason it's pastors. There's a reason it's people

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<v Speaker 1>that are really nice on set, you know. But their

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<v Speaker 1>apology was so wild because in it they're like, we

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<v Speaker 1>just thought this was for the judge.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh so secret.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, No, they seem like more like especially her, she

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<v Speaker 2>seems annoyed to even have to be talking about it, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we support victims, and we thought it was for the judge. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so stop it, like we support, We're not trying to

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<v Speaker 2>invalidate what they said. And it's like you are and

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<v Speaker 2>your attitude is weird. You stood up for a rapist, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you're not more ashamed? Annoyed is

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<v Speaker 2>not the right.

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<v Speaker 1>A adjective culture has an organization that literally fights shady.

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<v Speaker 3>It's shade is well, it's not shady.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he's done amazing work, but it's a tech company.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a FA facial recognition software that works in helping

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<v Speaker 2>victims of human trafficking, but I think it does fuck

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<v Speaker 2>over sex workers as well. He has saved young girls,

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<v Speaker 2>that is great, But remember the SVU with that the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who is helping the and he wanted he pretended

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<v Speaker 2>to want to have sex with Olivia Benson and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, my sister's dead. I must fight all the pedophiles.

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<v Speaker 2>But with Steve Tabolowski, Oh right, right, what episode is that?

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever, We've covered it. Stephen has been a guest,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the guy who's like, oh, I'm here to

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<v Speaker 2>help people, and he's the one.

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<v Speaker 3>So no, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're I think in the organization and is great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he is trying to save children and people

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<v Speaker 1>from human trafficking. But it is a software company. You

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<v Speaker 1>never trust the rich like you never trust the rich.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's also like the George Clooney of it all,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like, I don't trust a pranker.

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<v Speaker 3>A branker, Yeah you did punked.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trusting you a prank Once in a while,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the right moment. Oh she's coming back, let's all hide.

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<v Speaker 2>But someone that's like Ellen Ellen is another notorious pranker,

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<v Speaker 2>like not to be trusted.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't trust the franker. They're sociopaths.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't feel anything, so they need to like scare

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<v Speaker 2>people to feel anything, and they like being in control

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<v Speaker 2>of your emotions. Don't trust someone that's like a dick

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<v Speaker 2>to There's actually someone at the comedy club at before

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<v Speaker 2>Matt and this motherfucker, I don't trust him anymore because

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<v Speaker 2>this is he'll pull these things where he'll go, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>They just called your name on stage and so then

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<v Speaker 1>you just start running like a crazy person. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kidding. And no matter how much you know he

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<v Speaker 1>does this shit it like he is so good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>He will just say stuff that isn't true you believe

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<v Speaker 2>it or reactor start running and then he'll laugh And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, okay, so you've committed crimes, right, you

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<v Speaker 2>keep the secrets, you punk and you punk bitch. I

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<v Speaker 2>did watch Punk. I liked watching justin Timberlake, cry should

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<v Speaker 2>should we start this?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Start, But before we get going, let's just remind you

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<v Speaker 1>of sas. We gotta tell the people we are coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you very soon. Buffalo on the eighth of October,

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<v Speaker 1>new Haven, Connecticut on the tenth of October, Burlington on

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<v Speaker 1>the twelfth of October, then a few days later we

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<v Speaker 1>got Cleveland on the eighteenth, Boston on the nineteenth. Boston,

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<v Speaker 1>gets your asses out there. We are playing a very

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<v Speaker 1>large venue and we need but in the seats. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Ronto for the first time on the twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit on the twenty fifth, and Pittsburgh on the twenty sixth. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>tons more dates coming up in November and December, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's our October schedule. And we really hope that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys will come out and see us because we're so excited. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>we just did our first few shows of the tour

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<v Speaker 1>and they've been so freaking fun already. You guys are

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<v Speaker 1>the best listeners and audience members, and we love giving

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<v Speaker 1>you a live show, so come see us. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting good. We're really getting good. We have a good

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<v Speaker 1>time at these shows. We shin yeah, and all the

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<v Speaker 1>information is that that's messed up live dot com, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can head over there to see where we're going.

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<v Speaker 1>When we're going, where to get ticks. This episode is

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<v Speaker 1>a classic. We're excited, let's get going.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing Futility season four, episode twenty two, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>starting at a poker night. Love that they're playing Texas

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<v Speaker 2>hold them. Love that even more. And it's the Wonder

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<v Speaker 2>Years actor. And he is being nuzzled on by a

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<v Speaker 2>woman during the game, so that's cute. He's wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>wedding band, so you know they're probably married. And I

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<v Speaker 2>love wardrobe and storytelling. Very cool and his and his

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<v Speaker 2>name is Fred Savage. I will be calling him multiple

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<v Speaker 2>other things. Besides, I have an old and his brother

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Savage is from boy Meet's World.

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<v Speaker 3>Right yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think only one of them is a rapist,

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<v Speaker 1>right yeah, but you guys can guess which one.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess. We're not allowed to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, well, because it's alleged or what. I think it's alleged.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's rapist. It's like me too,

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<v Speaker 1>he got like me to I think he was inappropriate

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<v Speaker 1>at work. I don't know if he actually went.

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<v Speaker 3>Well did I tell you?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>But did I tell you?

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<v Speaker 2>At the comedy store, I was doing a joke and

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<v Speaker 2>someone yelled I don't know if I've talked about on

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<v Speaker 2>this show. This was like last month, but someone from

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<v Speaker 2>the audience yelled out, you've never been dick raped?

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<v Speaker 3>Did I not tell you to you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I was on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing like my false rape accusation joke or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>just knute the backs or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I was working.

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<v Speaker 1>I was working on a bit, and some dude just

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<v Speaker 1>yelled out, whatever, you've never been dick raped? And so

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<v Speaker 1>I just said, oh, you have to go, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I kicked him out, like I that's not even I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what he meant by it, and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna find even the whole audience was like, ugh, no

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<v Speaker 1>one liked it. And then one of the door guys

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<v Speaker 1>who's a comment, came up to me after and he

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<v Speaker 1>said that it took five security guards to make this

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<v Speaker 1>guy leave.

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<v Speaker 3>He would not leave.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also, usually I like dealing with Heckler, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was just like, I can't even deal with you.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess when they were kicking him out, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>what what's wrong with yelling to a female comedian about

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<v Speaker 2>dick rape? Like he didn't understand, And then they found

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<v Speaker 2>his scariest part, and then they found him tweeting about

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<v Speaker 2>the comedy store and he wrote, I just got kicked

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<v Speaker 2>out of the comedy store for yelling dick rape, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he used the emoji of like the shrugging of

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<v Speaker 2>the shoulders.

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<v Speaker 3>Like huh. I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you can't say anything in this world anymore, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these libs.

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<v Speaker 3>You just can't say anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't yell at a woman you've never been dick raped.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what it means. It was very wild.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, oh, yeah, misconduct on the former, Yeah, allegations

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<v Speaker 2>of misconducts whatever. So there's tons of articles I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the Times they have a look a closer look.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>give them time because it's just like, I don't care,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're if you're fucking up and not

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<v Speaker 2>treating women right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I do think that this one, I'm glad we're

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<v Speaker 1>addressing it because I do think this one flew under

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<v Speaker 1>the radar, and I wouldn't want people to be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we thought you'd get Fred Savage as your guests, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're not. We're usually not really having people with uh

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<v Speaker 1>misconduct allegations on the pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I guess I mean the La Times says

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<v Speaker 2>that they've been dealing with accusations of inappropriate behavior on

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<v Speaker 2>set since he was sick.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he went from an actor to a director.

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<v Speaker 1>He's directed a lot of episodes of Modern Family, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's I think more so has been focusing on directing

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<v Speaker 1>in the later part of his career than on acting.

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<v Speaker 1>Though he was in a great show called The Grinder

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<v Speaker 1>that I was obsessed with with Rob Low that did

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<v Speaker 1>not get its true flowers.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel in the television business. It was such a

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<v Speaker 3>funny sitcom.

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<v Speaker 1>With where he plays a lawyer Rob Low plays his

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<v Speaker 1>brother who's an actor who's played a lawyer, and he

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<v Speaker 1>like moves back to the town and starts to be

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really funny. I always wild.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize some of the suits go back to

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<v Speaker 2>like nineteen ninety three, ninety four. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>like some of these are And then twenty eighteen, speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of the Grinder, someone worked in the wardrobe department on

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<v Speaker 2>The Grinder sued him too ooh, and that it was

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<v Speaker 2>alleged to salt and battery by the actor and he

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<v Speaker 2>was aggressive, intimidation, constant use of profanity aimed towards female employees.

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<v Speaker 3>Yuck. Helloa.

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<v Speaker 2>One was that he violently struck her arm three times

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<v Speaker 2>and asked her to brush dandruff off the shoulders of

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<v Speaker 2>his suit. He says, untrue, these are no merit. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the case was dismissed.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to know more information on him, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you know the la times.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why we're doing the episode. And we can't

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<v Speaker 1>have guests if you're wondering, because we're not gonna have him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, So that was a nice aside and

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully none of you are mad at us, but I

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<v Speaker 2>can I see it coming, all right, So buzz buzz.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone's at the door of this apartment with the poker

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<v Speaker 2>game and the Wonder Years. Guy goes to open it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's really choppy sounding on the intercom, so he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just go downstairs to get the food. He opens

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<v Speaker 2>the door, nobody's outside, and then we hear the sounds

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<v Speaker 2>of the city and then we see the food ten

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<v Speaker 2>feet away on the sidewalk, just like on the bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>like on the bottom on the ground. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>bag of Chinese. I also assume it's Chinese food, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is Chinese too.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know why because this is also old and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like back in the day, the only things

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<v Speaker 2>you really got delivered was pizza or Chinese.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And if it was pizza, you'd see the box, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I mean you can get a fucking bubble tea delivered,

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<v Speaker 2>but back in the day it was way more limited.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, maybe a diner, you know, maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Sending you your birthday cupcakes was actually the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I ever sent anything with Postmates that wasn't like food,

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<v Speaker 1>like just regular food. You know, I like never sent

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<v Speaker 1>a gift or anything by that, so you can really

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<v Speaker 1>do anything these days. Yeah, I well, because the funny thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't include the card, so I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I was not happy with them. They did not include

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<v Speaker 3>the card.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I loved about getting those cupcakes is I

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<v Speaker 2>always send those cupcakes to everyone, but I never taste them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got to finally taste all the flavors I've

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<v Speaker 2>been sending people all these years, So now for you, baby.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was exciting. But he so he decides that

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna still pick up the food, even though this

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<v Speaker 2>is obviously creepy, like the food is away from your door,

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<v Speaker 2>no one is there.

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<v Speaker 3>Boo.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Stabler and Benson and he's under arrest and Finn.

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<v Speaker 2>He's confused why he's being arrested and assures to them like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you got the wrong guy. Benson goes, it's rape. You're

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<v Speaker 2>being arrested for rape, and then he punches her in

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<v Speaker 2>the face.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Your toast, dude, is the whole reason they're doing this

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<v Speaker 1>little like ruse because of that whole thing that we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about before where you can't be arrested in your

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<v Speaker 1>own house or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, correct. I just don't get that.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've seen them show up at other

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<v Speaker 1>people's houses and say you're under arrest before.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe it's more of a warrant situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, or no, it's usually at a banquet,

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually at an event.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not enough way.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not arresting people in the home unless they're actively

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. But yeah, I don't know, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's why ruse for sure. Yeah, and he decides to

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<v Speaker 2>punch Benson in the face. The wife runs out and says,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? That's my husband. And it's like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll stop arresting him since that's your husband.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't care, we don't know you know him. He

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<v Speaker 1>just cold cocked a cop, you dumb bitch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells her to contact their lawyer, and as he's

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<v Speaker 2>carried away, she asks, why are you arresting him? And

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<v Speaker 2>Stabler turns around and says, your husband raped four women.

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<v Speaker 2>Finn says, your dinner is here, it's on the NYPD

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<v Speaker 2>love that her mouth is open. She is stunned and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wanting some sweet and sour chicken. Okay, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is what I wrote here. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>sushi is the best poker food because it's chopsticks, no hands,

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<v Speaker 2>no mess, easy compact, Like you're not gonna get grease

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<v Speaker 2>on the cards.

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<v Speaker 3>It's and nothing's gonna drip. And that's why we're having

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<v Speaker 3>sushi the first night we're going to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I don't want to get any grease on

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<v Speaker 1>my poker chips.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait when does this episode air right before? Oh? This one?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we back? We're back, we'll be back. We'll be

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<v Speaker 3>back from Vegas. Yeah, we'll well, you'll hear. That's what's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be wild.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll hear about Vegas in the intro maybe or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not next week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild. Someone I did see a comment from someone.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, we hate the time machine, and it's like, well,

0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 2>that's how things work.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, we can't

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<v Speaker 3>do it live, but I don't know we'll do it live.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't, we can't, we can't. Who's that's not enough

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<v Speaker 2>time to edit out all of our ums likes?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Uh yeah, Casey needs weeks to do it to

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<v Speaker 1>make us sound listenable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So she uh whatever, So rapist Chinese foods Soushi's

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<v Speaker 2>the best. Now we have the older savage brother sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in a cement room with bars and he it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he's in a dramatic one man play. He says

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<v Speaker 2>he regrets hitting the women and that he lost his temper.

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<v Speaker 3>All the women are no no hitting.

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<v Speaker 2>I think just stip in I don't know why I

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:06.400
<v Speaker 2>wrote women, and it's like, okay, so then I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you can leave like these people.

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<v Speaker 3>This couple just thinks that they could just say facts

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<v Speaker 3>have nothing to do with it and be able to leave.

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 2>He says he takes full responsibility, and it's like, okay, great, Well,

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 2>if you're taking full responsibility, then go to jail. The

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 2>quickest episode ever, what do you think of responsibility and

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<v Speaker 2>accountability is if it's not going to jail. So then

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<v Speaker 2>a young severe woman with a cartoonish hair flip and

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<v Speaker 2>a swoop bang is yelling about how you know my

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 2>client is so banged up, and they're like, lady, he

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.040
<v Speaker 2>punched a lady cop in the face, so he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get roughed up. Cabet's in the room and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened, and Finn says he fell.

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<v Speaker 2>The lawyer yells bull and she is no nonsense. She

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 2>is on all cylinders. It's so wild, like every morning,

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.879
<v Speaker 2>I know that coffee on an empty stomach hurts me

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 2>and every morningvertheless, she persisted, Yeah, she brings up his

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 2>knuckles and the evidence of him punching Benson. So unless

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 2>you want to add assault of a police officer on

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>the charges, why don't you stop over, you know, trying

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 2>to overplay this hand. He denies raping. He says, you

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<v Speaker 2>know wrong, you got the wrong people. You got the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong person. We say, well, we have a print, so stop.

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 2>The lawyer goes, okay, Well one print isn't enough. And

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 2>the one print is actually a couple blocks away from

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>his home on a metal railing. Does not equal four rapes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hate to agree with you know, hair flip

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<v Speaker 2>and savage, but I'm here. So she does have a point.

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<v Speaker 2>He calls the detectives lazy, and Cabot says nope and

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<v Speaker 2>throws some crime scene photos at him. And we connected

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<v Speaker 2>it all because you have a signature. And if you

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.880
<v Speaker 2>leave a signature on all of these attacks, then one

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>print does count to connect you to all of them,

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 2>and the signature is a choking and then it's cutting

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<v Speaker 2>off tits, which I don't like to read that out loud.

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<v Speaker 3>Does he? I don't think he cuts them off.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he just slashes them on their tip, slashes

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<v Speaker 1>the tit. Yeah, I have had a tit removal episode

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not this, No, we have that's Bengali and

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 1>you can listen to that episode too.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, we're so sick. We knew that immediately. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's a it's a tit slash.

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<v Speaker 2>And she says not enough evidence and not unique enough

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:24.680
<v Speaker 2>of a pattern, and they say, well, we have a

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 2>victim who gave a description, so boom.

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<v Speaker 3>He still denies it. The lawyer is still trying to

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<v Speaker 3>shut it down.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, listen, if they actually had a victim, you

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<v Speaker 2>would be in a lineup, but you're not, so let's go,

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and Kabba goes, you're right, that's your next stop.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's time for the lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>And Carrie is the victim, played by the actress Mindy

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<v Speaker 2>Christ And honestly, anyone would be proud to have an

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 2>IMDb like hers, Like she's on every show ever. She's

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<v Speaker 2>showing emotions, she's shaking, she's denying even actually seeing him.

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, that's not good. And she but she's scared.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, if I don't pick the right person, that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be bad. And her advocate is there, and

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the advocate's really helping her and like, do your best,

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<v Speaker 2>just say what is true.

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<v Speaker 1>She's crying, like what if the wrong person? And then

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 1>he gets away and she's just really having a hard time.

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<v Speaker 1>She would have been fun to talk to, Mindy christ

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<v Speaker 1>We could have talked to her. That would have been fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but what are we gonna do?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a strike, Benson interjects, and she quizzes the victim

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 2>on her memory to give her confidence. And she's clearly

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 2>scared about this too, but Benson is gentle, sits her

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 2>down and they start to talk. So she was choked

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 2>from behind and then passed out, but she wakes up

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and so she remembers being on the ground on her back.

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 2>He was on top of her, and he didn't say anything,

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>and his hair was brown, wavy.

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<v Speaker 3>He had dark eyes. She pushes, like what else, what

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:43.479
<v Speaker 3>else do you remember?

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>What about the face and she says, dark eyebrows, clean shaven,

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 2>he had a scar over his right eye and she

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.440
<v Speaker 2>thinks he saw the car and it was a white truck.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson says, see you remember, and Benson allows Bethany, the

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 2>rape crisis worker, to go with her. Bethany and Benson

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<v Speaker 2>talk outside the room and leave Carrie crying alone, and

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 2>she's like, this whole case relies on her, and Bethany's like, listen,

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I already know all the rules. I'm not gonna help her.

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm just here for emotional support, and she says I know,

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, I just really want to get this guy.

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>He clocks them and looks on them on his way

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 2>to the lineup, and now it's time for action. His lawyer,

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Aaron is so over the top annoying, like this girl

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 2>is married to a men's rights activist for sure. So

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.959
<v Speaker 2>she sees him, she clocks his ass, more tears well up.

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 2>She says three, that's him. She swallows and says, that's

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 2>the man that raped me. She looks down. Everyone scurries

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>out except Cabot and aggressive hair Flip and she's like,

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 2>I thought there were four victims, and Cabitt goes, we

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 2>only need one, and the hair Flip girls like, no,

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 2>not if it's wrong. They just live in the same neighborhood.

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.479
<v Speaker 2>She might have seen him just around the neighborhood. They

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 2>fight back and forth and she's like, well, the three

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 2>others can't id him, and everyone's gonna hear about it.

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, okay, yeah, he knocked the others out fully,

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 2>so I can't imagine that, but like helping the case,

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>but okay, sorry, they didn't get a glimpse they were

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 2>knocked out.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, like, the Upper West Side is not like Daniel

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Tiger's neighborhood. It's not like you know all your neighbors,

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>like I've lived up there forever, and I would say,

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>like I saw a few people I guess here and there,

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't like you recognize all the people, Like

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you don't see people coming and going even the same

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>four blocks. You're like, oh, there's mister Wilson leaving every

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>day like he does. It's just like, I don't know.

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I think I would know my rapist

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>versus a guy I like saw it Duane read.

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so Benson announces the news of this guy

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>being booked right now.

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 3>The women are really excited.

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 2>All four victims are there and Benson explains the grand

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>jury and the trial and everything with bail and just

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>breaking down all the options that they have. It's a

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 2>powerful group of women, and Benson's answering all of their

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>questions and there are a bunch of annoying problems. So

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>he knows where they live, so like they want his

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>address so they know to how to avoid him, and

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>they say they can't do that. But also if they

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 2>do issue an order of protection for these women and

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>he gets all their locations work Infoux information, because he

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 2>needs all that info to be able to avoid those places.

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's like they can't do an order of protection

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 2>or get help, they'll know where he is and they

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 2>don't feel safe without one because he's going to be

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 2>out on bail. And one of the women did want

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 2>an order of protection, and so the other women do

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 2>agree to it and he is free.

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Munches at the corkboard speaking to the team and the

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 2>photos of the women with their identical markings, so now

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 2>they want to figure out the connection between the women

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 2>and gain more evidence on the white truck maybe what's

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 2>going on. They're chatting with Benson, and then Benson gets

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 2>a call from Carrie Gardner followed her into a coffee shop.

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 2>So now we know Savage aka Wonderers is Gardner, so

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the first time I said his name.

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 2>So they go to Nice Perks Coffee. He left, Carrie

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>is sitting there. She is shaken up. She says he

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>smiled and said hello, but she walked in and he

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 2>was already there, and she's like, how did he know?

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't work, baby girl, Like if you walked into

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 2>a coffee shop at he's not following you, even though

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 2>the coincidence is for a rapist, Like, I don't believe it.

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>So Cabot says this isn't gonna work, and Benson goes, no,

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 2>I know, but this is a bad guy. I know

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>this was in an accident. He stalks them, but now

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>what he was in the coffee shop first. So we

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>go to Huang and he agrees with Benson. This dude

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:24.719
<v Speaker 2>is meticulous and plans everything carefully. He's a power reassurance rapist.

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 2>He has a perfect job and wife and looks good

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 2>and he does all that to feel like a man

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 2>because he wants to feel like a man. But inside

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>he's an insecure baby and that's why he cuts their

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>boobs because then they're scarred forever and they'll always think

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 2>of him, and he's in control. He wants to instill

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 2>fear in these victims because he gets off on it,

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 2>and it's a way to take his control back because

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't think he's a real man. So what are

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>we gonna do?

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 4>Fuck?

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Benson and Stabler run off and take charge. They go

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>to talk to the women.

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>One has a son, and Benson's like, just go stay

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>with someone else, and she's like pull him out.

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Of school, like I gotta work with the fuck what

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 3>do you want from me? And so she slams the

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 3>door in the face and is really mad, and then

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 3>we see what.

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>What Well though, this woman, just FYI is the mom

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>from Webb if you recognize her. She was just the

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 1>mom of Teddy and Jake in Webb, which we just

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>covered like a couple of weeks ago.

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Wow yeah, wow wow.

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I was like, she's so familiar. Have I seen her

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:21.959
<v Speaker 1>in something? And then I looked her up. I was like, oh,

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>the mom from Webb.

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>So once Benson turns around, she sees who else but

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Wonder years across the street and he's walking.

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>A really cute puppy like a beanie bait, like a

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 1>stuffed animal, gunned puppy, Like.

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 3>It's so crazy, how cute the puppy is just the chunky,

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 3>little golden I mean it.

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, more puppy shots please, He's just perfect.

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 2>And then Stabler picks up the puppy and it's just

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>cute and sexy and amazing, and I can't, I can't.

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like my favorite scene.

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>But it's like if it was like some snaggletooth like

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Mutt were they just gonna leave it there. But then

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, I can't leave this beautiful walk here as

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>we pick him up.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the policy is when you arrest

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 3>somebody that has a dog with them.

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I you know, you get around. Wait have you seen

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the video of Pinky? It's a viral video online.

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Who's Pinky?

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>So it's like this cop is holding a cat named

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Pinky outside and he goes, hey, this is our cat

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>of the week, Pinky, and he's up for adoption and

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 1>he's a great gentle cat. The cat goes insane and

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like a minute and a half video of this

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>cat trying to escape. They keep trying to put it

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 1>in a box it won't and then we just hear

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>then the cat grabs his leg.

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 3>And you just hear the cop go, ah, you just

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 3>have a bitch, And.

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like, Pinky is not a gentle and I don't

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>think anyone adopted him. But it is a video that

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I cannot stop watching.

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>It's old, it's old, but I just it was recently

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 2>shown to me though, But so whatever, he's outside the house.

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 3>So that's an you know, the broken order of protection.

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>And so they're back in court for charges of menacing,

0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>stalking and intimidating. He also fired him lawyer and is

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 2>representing himself, and the judge is like, oh great, more

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 2>work for all of us, and then brings Cabot and

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 2>him to the bench. Cabbot believes he's doing this to

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 2>fuck with the victims some more and not in good faith.

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 3>But he is right. He has the right to defend himself.

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>The rape and these charges are different judges though, so

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>even though this guy allows it doesn't mean that the

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 2>judge in the next trial will stand for this. He

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 2>claims it was a coincidence, and Cabot goes, no way,

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.800
<v Speaker 2>not twice in a day, like you're lying. The judge

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 2>does dismiss it though, because there's not enough evidence. Gabble, gabble.

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>The wife is in the stands and gives him a hug.

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Cabot is livid and is bitching to the squad, and

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Benson is so mad, like he didn't even attack the

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 2>victim at her home and we just gave the address,

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.879
<v Speaker 2>and like, at fuck this, like we can't even keep

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>these women safe and this is bullshit. Munch It also

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>goes to talk to all the Wonder Years people, so

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 2>coworker's friend's wife, everyone, and everyone just says he's a

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:58.360
<v Speaker 2>great guy, great guy, perfect guy. Benson goes to the

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 2>phone and starts making calls to let the victims know

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>that he's going to be defending himself in court, which

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 2>makes it harder to testify and do all of that.

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>So someone hands something to Cabot and she opens it

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's emotion to sever the charges, and so now

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 2>we have to go to emotion hearing. He says there's

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 2>no evidence in three of the four attacks. Cabot brings

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>up loss stuffs to say how it's valid, and we

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>have the judge Lewis Preston, that's not how what is

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 2>it Louise Lois Lois Lois Preston, our redheaded princess of

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>the court, and she's taking it all in and asks

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 2>if there's an outside pattern of attacks and is there

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 2>any more evidence? Cabot says, we don't need that the

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>people versus West. When an mo is unique, then multiple

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.479
<v Speaker 2>crimes can be charged under one indictment. And then wonder

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Years is fumbling with his books, and the hair flip

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 2>lawyer is still like sitting by side his side, helping him,

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>and she's a bron Win type from the William Lewis episodes.

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>If that rings a bell to you guys, And I mean,

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 2>we always get these lawyers who's the other lawyer? They

0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:59.399
<v Speaker 2>just like want to fuck these rapists and defend them.

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 2>So and he's pretending to be like, oh golly, shock.

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 2>So I don't I don't know how do I read?

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 2>But it's all fucking an act. And he brings up

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>people versus sable. When more proof on one crime has

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 2>more evidence than the others, then the jury won't be

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 2>able to consider the proof separate and it's an unfair connection.

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 2>But him flipping through the book was an as and

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 2>R noise for me, and I enjoyed every little flip page.

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>The judge agrees with him, though, and calls it bootstrapping,

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 2>and she's severing all counts. Cabot is mad and fuck

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 2>now he wants to dismiss all the charges in full,

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 2>and Cabot's like, okay, but we do have proof on one,

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 2>and the judge goes yes for the fourth victim, there is,

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 2>so for the others, we're going to close the indictments.

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 2>On one through three they are dismissed and four is good.

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 2>So this is going to be an uphill battle. Benson

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>and Cabot are like, uh oh, unless this dude passed

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>the bar overnight, this hairflip bitch is helping him. Cabot's

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 2>still feeling confident that she's going to nail his ass

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 2>with Carrie's testimony, and then Benson is like, well, only

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:00.760
<v Speaker 2>if she gives it. And Bethany says that Carrie cannot

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 2>face her rapists again and does not want to do it.

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>So now we're at Carrie's apartment and she's apologizing to

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Bethany and Benson just wants to know why

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 2>she changed her mind. She's like, I don't want to

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 2>talk to him. Or hear him, and I got to

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:15.279
<v Speaker 2>get on with my life. Benson says, I know, but

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 2>he's free, Like, how are you going to get on

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 2>with your life if he's free? She goes, that's not

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 2>my problem and it's not my responsibility.

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 1>He also lives in your neighborhood, and is that the

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 1>coffee shops you go to, just having like a nightmare,

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.360
<v Speaker 1>possibly lurking around every corner.

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't seem like a good option either.

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Bethany is supporting Carrie's choice and Benson is convincing her

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>to testify, and she says she knows nobody that has

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 2>regretted testifying. Only women regret not doing it. So we

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>got her on the stand. She's doing it. She still

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 2>has a mark around her neck from the choking. She's

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 2>speaking clearly effectively points him out. It's Michael Gardner, but

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 2>we know he's going to pull some tricks, so he

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>gets up. It's really creepy. She talks to him like

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 2>you put a cord around my neck, and he's trying

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>to push it, like, well, if I was behind you,

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 2>how do you know it was me? And she says,

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw you later when I woke up, and he

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 2>walks closer to her and says, well, you claim sexual assault.

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 2>She says, you forced your penis into my vagina and

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>he's like, did your attacker notice your eyes were open?

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.879
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, no, you weren't even paying attention. He goes,

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 2>so you were six inches from my face, and you

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 2>know I wouldn't notice you're you're awake.

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of strange.

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Cabot objects and is like, fuck, how many more ways

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 2>can she answer the same question, like she was awake,

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>you didn't notice. Move it the fuck along, and the

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 2>judge agrees. He then pivots, someone was with you when

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 2>you went to the cops. Yeah, she goes, yes, Bethany,

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:40.760
<v Speaker 2>and Bethany talked to her that night, and he wants.

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 3>To know what they talked about.

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 2>But that's shut that shut down because you know, both

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Cabot and the judge know that that's privileged information.

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.280
<v Speaker 3>He sits down with no other questions.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm a little taken aback that that was chill,

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I just thought he was gonna play

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 2>some shenanigans on her. Benson is now on the stand

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 2>giving all the info about the arrest, the prince, the lineup,

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:05.280
<v Speaker 2>and the bing bang bong vibes. Sorry to quote Stucky,

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 2>but it was appropriate in this moment. He asks why

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't questioned, and she says that she was preparing

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the victim for the lineup, and he brings the punch

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.840
<v Speaker 2>that I was expecting earlier, but cab It objects and

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 2>he's like, well, maybe Benson hates me because I punched

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 2>her and she's extremad at me. And the judge is

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 2>now a judas and allows this questioning and she and

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 2>so Benson goes, I have no personal stake in you,

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>and this is peak Benson.

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm obsessed with this.

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 2>So he says, well, I embarrassed you in front of colleagues,

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 2>and she explains it's not uncommon for a purp to

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 2>lose control and I certainly have been hit much harder.

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Ah get her, Jade get her, and he you know,

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>he smiles and I think you know that that got him.

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 1>And he continues trying to trap her in something.

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 2>So he says that he saw her with Bethany at

0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:58.799
<v Speaker 2>the precinct and he wants to know what they were

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>talking about. And again we already covered privilege, but hairpipe,

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 2>hair pipe, hairflip pipes, in, so she says that, like, no,

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 2>that privilege is only with a victim, not with you know,

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 2>loose detectives. And so what were they talking about? And

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I was advising miss Taylor not to interfere

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 2>so everything would be fair. And he's like, but you

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 2>were looking at me and Bethany did too, and Benson

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 2>is like, you can ask her if she looked at you, Like,

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't fucking know. And after they were done talking,

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:29.280
<v Speaker 2>she went to the interview room with Carrie, and Benson

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 2>realizes what he's up to. He frames it that Bethany

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.959
<v Speaker 2>talked to Benson, saw him in handcuffs, and then talked

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to the victim alone, and that's how that she was picked.

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 2>And Benson is so mad and she's yelling at Cabot

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.360
<v Speaker 2>and Cabot is yelling back at her, and Benson assures

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 2>that the lineup wasn't tainted, but they're screwed. Bethany walks

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 2>in and uh oh, she just got subpoena to testify

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>on Michael Gardner's behalf. Benson scoffs, we are in judges quarters,

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:57.360
<v Speaker 2>we have Gardner versus Cabot.

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 3>What will happen?

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 2>So the word fishing ex addition is used. He feels

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 2>like things are unfair. So the judge decides that she

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 2>will question Bethany in chambers and she'll figure out what

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 2>the jury will hear or not hear. And Benson and

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Cabbitt are waiting outside the judge's doors and outwalks Bethany

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 2>and they ask how it went, and she goes, I

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 2>said nothing, and they're confused, and the judge walks out

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 2>and goes Benson arrests her for contempt and Benson doesn't

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 2>want to, but the judge is like, Okay, I can

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 2>get someone else to do it, So fucking arrest her.

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get someone else. So Benson walks her

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 2>out into custody and it's a subpoena, so you have

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 2>to talk.

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 3>She will not. She is in a cell. Cabot walks

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 3>in too, like to you know, talk to her and

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 3>talk her out of it. She will not end up stories.

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 3>She is not talking.

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:43.239
<v Speaker 2>So Benson is like, Bethany, you know, did Carrie tell you, like,

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 2>did you tell her what you look like or anything?

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 2>And you know Bethany didn't do that. She's a professional.

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:50.360
<v Speaker 2>So Benson's trying to, you know, push her and be like, so,

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 2>why does it matter. You'll just tell the judge what

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.759
<v Speaker 2>you guys talked about. She'll find it immaterial to the

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 2>trial and no one else has to hear about it.

0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>But Bethany doesn't like that and the precedent that it

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 2>will and then victims in the future will never trust

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 2>her again, and everything's going to be on court TV

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.720
<v Speaker 2>and nobody will trust us and nobody will report their crimes.

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Cabot asks her the plan to spend the rest of

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 2>her life in jail, and she says she brought her

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 2>toothbrush and is ready to serve the time if it

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 2>needs to happen. Kabot's like, well, the trial's going to

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 2>be thrown out, and Benson says what if the victim

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 2>waives the privilege? And Bethany doesn't like putting that much

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 2>on Carrie. Benson yells, well, what else do you want

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 2>me to do? And Bethany says, I don't fucking know,

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:33.359
<v Speaker 2>but you know this is just too damaging. She does

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 2>not want this to happen, and she goes, you're supposed

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:40.399
<v Speaker 2>to help the victims, do your job, so she sits down.

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:41.919
<v Speaker 3>Benson's at the end of her rope.

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 2>So she goes talk to talk to Carrie and tries

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 2>to convince her to waive her right to privacy so

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Bethany can testify to the convo. Benson notices, though, that

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Carrie is no longer wearing her engagement ring, and she

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.759
<v Speaker 2>said that was her decision. She didn't want Aaron to

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>have to wait around for her to get back to normal.

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>She couldn't have sex without crying. Loves him, but she'll

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>never be normal again. And Benson goes, this is not

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the right time to make these types of decisions, and

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 2>she's like, well, what is the right time. You're all

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:09.880
<v Speaker 2>sitting around waiting for me to shake this off and

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 2>get back to normal, And she chuckles softly, and the

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 2>close captioning wrote the chuckles, and so she exhales and

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:19.360
<v Speaker 2>tears start.

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 3>You have no idea.

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 2>I can't sleep for more than twenty minutes a night.

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I hate to be alone, but god, I hate to

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 2>be around people more. And I'm so afraid to go

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 2>outside or go to a crowded place because I might

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 2>see him. And all I can think to myself is

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>that it would be so much better if he just

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.280
<v Speaker 2>killed me. That's what I talked to Bethany about because

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>she said I could say anything to her and no

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 2>one would ever know. Benson says, nothing I do will

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:44.759
<v Speaker 2>ever change what happened to you. But I can only

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 2>try to make sure this doesn't happen again to anybody else,

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and everything I've done has failed. I'm not going to

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 2>pretend this is a good or fair thing. But she

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.320
<v Speaker 2>has to ask for her help because she this is

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 2>the last chance. So Bethany is pacing in her cell.

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Carrie visits her says I hate seeing you in here,

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 2>and Bethany assures her it was her decision and not

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Carrie's problem. Carrie proudly states that she waved her rights,

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and she says I wish you didn't do that, though,

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.399
<v Speaker 2>And Carrie's like, it is my choice, but Bethany says

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter. I still won't say anything. Carrie says,

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm taking back my control. I don't want him getting

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 2>away with it, and I can't like this is only

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 2>going to get worse, So tell the judge everything and

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:26.720
<v Speaker 2>let's lock his ass up. Lois says, yep, not relevant

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.919
<v Speaker 2>at all, bozo, So he looks worried it didn't work

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 2>at all. And your due process is fine. He of Jackson.

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Lois goes, yeah, you can't do that. He yells that's

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 2>not fair, and she's like, well that's my ruling, so

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 2>shut up. Benson and Cabin are walking down the stairs

0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 2>trying to guess what else he's gonna pull in there.

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Bethany runs down the court steps and you can tell

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.840
<v Speaker 2>she is super mad. And she now has another subpoena

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 2>of someone who raped like another client of hers, and

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 2>he wants her records disclosed, and she feels like Benson

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:00.799
<v Speaker 2>will be the perfect person to bully her into giving

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 2>up her rights. Betson explains, like, I did what I

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 2>had to do just stop him from raping other women,

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.280
<v Speaker 2>and she says, well, six of my clients just stopped counseling.

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 2>They don't trust me anymore, but you got your wins,

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 2>so who cares if it's at everyone else's expense? And

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Benson is really sad and she's waiting for Stabler to

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.800
<v Speaker 2>come home, like waiting on the soup. And she pulls

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.359
<v Speaker 2>up and she's like, where is everyone? And Kathy took

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:27.239
<v Speaker 2>the kids to see La Boem, Like what aren't those

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:31.959
<v Speaker 2>twins like seven? Like they're going to see Lobom the opera.

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:36.360
<v Speaker 3>And he goes pass and it's like, you can't just

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.759
<v Speaker 3>go to the theater with your family for a day.

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 2>She's like, wow, you're night off with the kids and

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:46.239
<v Speaker 2>you go store shopping cool and he says, yeah, it's

0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 2>a grocery store with strippers. And he basically goes, live,

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 2>you gotta let it go, and he you know, you

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 2>put a rapist on trial, you know, And she says

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I made it worse. He says, you know that's not true.

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 2>But she's making it about her. How she to she

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 2>doesn't think the cost was worth it. He looks deep

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 2>at her and says, you always identified with the victims

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's one of the things that makes you a

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 2>great cop. But that's what makes this job torture. Sometimes

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.680
<v Speaker 2>you can never go back and change things that have happened.

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:18.399
<v Speaker 2>You can't a real philosopher. Yeah, he's like explaining time

0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 2>to us. So she's having a really hard night, full

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 2>existential crisis. Maybe there isn't a point to all of this,

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:27.799
<v Speaker 2>maybe the cost is too high, and he goes, well,

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 2>nobody's making you do this, Olivia. You can walk away,

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, no, I can't so we're back at trial.

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>We're back at trial and he's not in court and

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 2>it's been an hour and Cabo it's like whatever, we

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:41.239
<v Speaker 2>could do the trial without him, it doesn't matter. And

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.840
<v Speaker 2>hair Flip is fighting for her man, claiming she doesn't

0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 2>know where he is, and Benson and Stable are run

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.880
<v Speaker 2>into the court or maybe like a walk with a.

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Brisk up beat vibe, you know, not a full jog.

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>They run back out and are going to try to

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 1>find him.

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 2>All alerts are on, all hands on deck and a

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 2>busy scurrying energy in the squad room. Many targets out there.

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 2>We need warnings out to everyone that could be his enemy.

0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 2>And Craigan tells him that he has had a heart

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 2>on for you. Benson Wow NBC. So she says, I

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.360
<v Speaker 2>hope he tries something, and Stabler hangs up the phone.

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 2>He already did another attack. They go to the alley

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 2>and there's a crime scene there. The victim is dead,

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 2>so he cut up her face to nobody to id him. Now,

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the victim is now in the morgue and Melinda's breaking

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 2>it down for the detectives. Her name is Evelyn Sharp

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 2>from Staten Island. Strangulation is here, latex gloves, bruises on knuckles,

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 2>no evidence on body left behind, but there's a part

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 2>of skin cut off where he bit her. So but like,

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 2>so he's getting better at this, but he didn't cut

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the skin deep of enough, and there's still an impression

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:44.799
<v Speaker 2>of his teeth in.

0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:47.919
<v Speaker 3>The muscle, which got he bitter so hard.

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>This is so fucked up, and Melinda matched it to

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 1>his dental record, so now there's no question we got

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the son of a bitch. So now Benson and Stabler

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 1>are hounding hair Flip and they're like, it's a super

0:47:57.960 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 1>windy day.

0:47:58.640 --> 0:47:59.720
<v Speaker 3>Everyone's hair is flying.

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Benson is in her Bieber era short you know, short

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 2>but long hair, and they're pleading like it's no longer

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 2>a case of mistaken identity.

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 3>We got him.

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Aaron guilty of rape and murder. She says, if I

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:11.759
<v Speaker 1>knew where he was, i'd tell you.

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 3>I just don't know.

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 2>So we're all back in the office and Munch goes, well,

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 2>he has no family and he you know, we talked

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.719
<v Speaker 2>to the business partner's staff, nobody has heard from him.

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 2>The wife is devastated, so they dump his phone to

0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 2>see who he like, calls all the time, Benson runs

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 2>in with a file.

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:30.279
<v Speaker 3>All the money is his wife's, but he.

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Does have access to it, and recent activity shows five

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:36.480
<v Speaker 2>grand he took out yesterday morning in the Bronx. So

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:38.239
<v Speaker 2>then they heads to the Bronx to go to the

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 2>cash and check place and the guy behind the bulletproof

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 2>glass called him.

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.760
<v Speaker 3>Richie Rich, and the camera of course is rolling.

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.919
<v Speaker 2>There's money, there's bulletproof glass, there's a camera, and there's

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 2>proof on the camera that he was there. And in

0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:53.640
<v Speaker 2>the same frame we have the white truck in the background.

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 2>So you know, Carrie mentioned a white car, but they

0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.160
<v Speaker 2>couldn't find one registered to him or his wife. Who

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 2>is driving that white car and it's a ninety nine

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Lexus r X three hundred, And they play the video

0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.240
<v Speaker 2>longer and Joel Delafuente is blowing it up and getting

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 2>so freaking close. Oh my god, he's kissing this person

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:13.799
<v Speaker 2>that is not his wife. There's a girlfriend in the mix.

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:16.359
<v Speaker 2>So Craigan is now like, okay, we got to get

0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>to the bottom of it. Let's like look through the

0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 2>phone records. So the issue those Stabler is like he's

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:23.880
<v Speaker 2>too smart to be pulling dumb mistakes like calling his

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.719
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend on his regular phone, and the majority of his

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 2>calls went to his lawyer this month. And then Stabler

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 2>those screnches his face and goes and last month, and

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.160
<v Speaker 2>then Benson grabs more papers and it's like, oh my god,

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:38.320
<v Speaker 2>he has been communicating with Hairflip for four months and

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.800
<v Speaker 2>why would he need a criminal defense attorney before he

0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 2>was even arrested. They look her up and they're having

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.200
<v Speaker 2>an affair. Benson's like, oh my god, and guess with

0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 2>the DMV record show. She has a white Lexus done done.

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, exactly what I think of when I

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:55.879
<v Speaker 1>think of a white truck, a white Lexus, a SUV.

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Stabler says, the white I mean, it was just her

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.480
<v Speaker 1>memory after an Oh I'm not. I'm not, but I like,

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they were like what the cops were

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:10.239
<v Speaker 1>looking for. Sailor sees the white Lexus trunk open. Not

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a great sign.

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 3>They run in.

0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:13.840
<v Speaker 2>They go into the Aaron's apartment, knock knocked, so we

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:15.840
<v Speaker 2>hear a voice go doors open and it's her and

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:17.880
<v Speaker 2>they walk in, guns up and they ask where he is,

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:21.280
<v Speaker 2>and she says he's here. She's uh, puts her hands

0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 2>up and they're covered in blood. They ask her if

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 2>she's hurt. She says no, So she found the murder

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 2>weapon in the car. He denied it even after she

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:32.799
<v Speaker 2>found everything. Benson says, if he attacks you, there's nothing

0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 2>you could have done, and she says, that's right, justifiable homicide.

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 2>And so then Sam, you know, wonder your savage is

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:42.319
<v Speaker 2>just bleeding out on the ground. And Carrie and Beth

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 2>and he go down to the morgue. They want to

0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:47.239
<v Speaker 2>see his body, so she wants to know it's over,

0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:49.360
<v Speaker 2>and Benson pulled some strings to get them in to

0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:49.960
<v Speaker 2>see the body.

0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 3>She's a real one. She pulls back the curtain. He's dead.

0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Carrie stares at him, then walks away. Benson covers his

0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 2>blue body back up. It's the end of the episode.

0:50:58.680 --> 0:50:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Dick wolf Baby.

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't really I like wish she had just like

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.920
<v Speaker 1>made him, like she gets to kill him and now

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:08.640
<v Speaker 1>he's dead, like he doesn't get to like he doesn't

0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 1>really face the consequences for being a fucking serial rapist.

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't like that she vigilanted in

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:16.719
<v Speaker 3>that situation.

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I disagree they're all happier that he's dead, you know, probably, Yeah,

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>he can't make print calls or letters or not, you know,

0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:27.920
<v Speaker 1>like he is dead dead dead dead yeah, yeah, true true.

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh and Lisa, thank you so much for that beautiful recap.

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Before we get into our true crime segment, I would

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<v Speaker 1>just like to remind everybody gently in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast that we are on tour in October. We're

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<v Speaker 1>And also, Lisa will be at the Bellhouse in New

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<v Speaker 1>true crime to talk about.

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 3>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>So this episode is based off of the case of

0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the bike path rapist, who was a guy who would

0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:47.920
<v Speaker 1>choke victims until they passed out and sexually assault them

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 1>and then he eventually ended up murdering a few of

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.279
<v Speaker 1>his victims. Like he was at first just known as

0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a serial rapist and then I don't know if he

0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>progressed to murder. It sounds like some of the murders

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.920
<v Speaker 1>were results of victims fighting back, but we'll get into it.

0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 1>What is wild is that this episode aired in two

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:06.920
<v Speaker 1>thousand and three and the crime had not yet been solved,

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:08.880
<v Speaker 1>but it has since been solved.

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow. So yeah, So here's what happened.

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 1>This kind of came to prominence more in late September

0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:19.920
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety a woman named Linda Yellam had just

0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.880
<v Speaker 1>begun her sophomore year at the University of Buffalo. She

0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:25.279
<v Speaker 1>went out for a run on a bike path that

0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 1>goes through the campus into the town of Amherst, New York,

0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 1>and it was like a regular route for her. She

0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 1>was training for the New York City Marathon that was

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 1>coming up in like just over a month, and it

0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 1>was twelve fifteen in the afternoon. She had promised her

0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 1>sister that she would never run at night because just

0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:42.240
<v Speaker 1>the year before was the infamous Central Park jogger case,

0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 1>and you know, everybody was, I feel like, very on

0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:49.320
<v Speaker 1>edge about jogging, especially at night at that in the

0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:52.880
<v Speaker 1>aftermath of that horrific crime. So she had planned to

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:55.359
<v Speaker 1>run fifteen miles and then meet her friends to watch

0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the movie Beaches Hello, one of my all time favorites

0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:03.839
<v Speaker 1>that I made watch. So when no one had heard

0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:06.720
<v Speaker 1>from Linda by nine thirty pm, her roommates called campus

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 1>police to report her missing. Police and student search groups

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 1>led by Linda's boyfriend, went out looking for her on

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the bike path. But then in the morning they really

0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>got down to business and like campus and local police

0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:22.400
<v Speaker 1>were like using dogs and a helicopter. And the cops

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.239
<v Speaker 1>were struck by a sense of familiarity in this case

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 1>because four months earlier, a thirty two year old woman

0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.840
<v Speaker 1>had been found moaning and hanging on to life fifty

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:35.040
<v Speaker 1>feet from the bike path, having been beaten and sexually assaulted.

0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:37.640
<v Speaker 1>She was unconscious for over six hours. They didn't know

0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:40.759
<v Speaker 1>she would ever regain consciousness. She finally did told the

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.200
<v Speaker 1>police that she couldn't remember anything except for suddenly having

0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a rope around her neck and she never saw her attacker.

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:46.960
<v Speaker 3>And this.

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:50.239
<v Speaker 1>As this is a verb and a noun, but it's

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.680
<v Speaker 1>called a garote and it's a rope or a wire

0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.640
<v Speaker 1>or anything that's used to like strangle someone. And so

0:54:56.760 --> 0:55:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I think garrot. When you garrot someone, it's actually pronounce garat.

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I think because I listened to a little Google thing

0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:04.120
<v Speaker 1>that's like garat and tells you how to say it.

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 1>But the rope left this woman unconscious and made deep

0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:11.799
<v Speaker 1>impressions in her neck. And so then the story goes

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:15.160
<v Speaker 1>even further back to August of eighty nine, when a

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 1>fourteen year old girl from Amherst, on her way to

0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>cheerleading practice at Sweet Home High School, was dragged off

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the same bike path and raped. Three months earlier than that,

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:27.320
<v Speaker 1>a fifteen year old high school student was attacked with

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 1>a similar mo in Buffalo, and then in eighty eight,

0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:33.680
<v Speaker 1>a sixteen year old high school student was also raped

0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:36.359
<v Speaker 1>in that same area of Buffalo, And the first two

0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.879
<v Speaker 1>victims go all the way back to eighty six, when

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:40.840
<v Speaker 1>a forty four year old jogger in Buffalo and a

0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 1>seventeen year old high school student in Hamburg were attacked

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:48.160
<v Speaker 1>only weeks apart, so in total that six victims over

0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 1>four years before Linda goes missing in nineteen ninety. So

0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 1>when they're looking for Linda, they're hoping to find her

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.640
<v Speaker 1>alive because to their knowledge, this purp has not killed before,

0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:59.920
<v Speaker 1>so they're hoping she's somewhere where she can't call for help.

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:00.960
<v Speaker 3>But she's so alive.

0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Sadly, on the day after she disappeared, her body is

0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 1>found and she's wearing a Nike T shirt with the

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:12.320
<v Speaker 1>wront words run like Hell on it, which is so horrible,

0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:14.919
<v Speaker 1>and she has duct tape covering her nose and mouth,

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:20.280
<v Speaker 1>and it really looked like she fought back hard. Police

0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 1>knew when they saw the double ligature marks on her

0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:26.160
<v Speaker 1>neck that this was the same guy, and that forensics

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:28.920
<v Speaker 1>from several of the previous scenes confirmed that this was

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:32.360
<v Speaker 1>the work of the bike path rapist. Police worked diligently

0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:34.799
<v Speaker 1>to find this guy. They did steakouts on the bike path,

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:37.919
<v Speaker 1>they investigated hundreds and hundreds of tips, but nothing came

0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.200
<v Speaker 1>of it. The case went unsolved for over a decade.

0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.400
<v Speaker 1>But here's what they did know. Killer had typo blood

0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:49.839
<v Speaker 1>in every case beside Linda. He attacked between seven thirty

0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 1>am and nine thirty am, and always between meg and October,

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 1>like this man did not like to kill in the

0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>cold months. Victims were seemingly picked at random, but the

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:02.600
<v Speaker 1>locations were pre because during some of his attacks, he

0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:05.279
<v Speaker 1>would force the victims to a different location on the

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.360
<v Speaker 1>bike path where he had like pre cut strips of

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:10.719
<v Speaker 1>duct tape and medical tape and stuff waiting for him.

0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So he had like areas set up for his crime.

0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>But I think he picked the victim based on opportunity.

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:18.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of times we hear about

0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:22.560
<v Speaker 1>rapists and killers like stalking victims getting to know their patterns,

0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:24.200
<v Speaker 1>but I think this guy knows, Oh, it's a bike path,

0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:25.840
<v Speaker 1>like people are running on it all the time. I'll

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:29.200
<v Speaker 1>just get someone when the time strikes me. Apparently, one

0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:31.800
<v Speaker 1>time this guy identified himself as Dave and said he'd

0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:35.120
<v Speaker 1>been in prison for rape or murder. I don't really

0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:38.600
<v Speaker 1>know where that came from, because I haven't read specifically

0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:40.640
<v Speaker 1>any of the victims saying they conversed with this man.

0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:42.800
<v Speaker 1>But most of the time they were all just like

0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:46.480
<v Speaker 1>attacked from behind, unconscious and then left. The garaat he

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 1>used was a wire or a cord that did not

0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>leave fibers, and it was originally used to keep victims quiet,

0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:55.640
<v Speaker 1>but later they said he would use it to purposely,

0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:59.280
<v Speaker 1>purposefully bring them in and out of consciousness, like during

0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the races. We've seen that before. I feel like where

0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:05.240
<v Speaker 1>they think that's it's like a torture. That's kind of

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:08.240
<v Speaker 1>fun for these rapists to like have you come back

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:10.959
<v Speaker 1>awake and then go back out when he chokes you again.

0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:14.040
<v Speaker 1>So he would usually sneak up behind them, double wrap

0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the chord hence the double ligature marks on the victims

0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:19.439
<v Speaker 1>before pulling them back, and he always took the chord

0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:22.000
<v Speaker 1>with him. But he did leave DNA and other evidence

0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:24.440
<v Speaker 1>at several of the crime scenes, not all of them,

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 1>but several of them that could tie them together, whereas

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:30.200
<v Speaker 1>in this episode he only had left evidence at one case,

0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:31.960
<v Speaker 1>so they were allowed to sever them. This was like

0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:34.200
<v Speaker 1>a clear pattern and he'd left DNA that tied them all.

0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:38.320
<v Speaker 1>The bike Path rapist case was also on Unsolved Mysteries

0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and they would get new tips every time the episode aired,

0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and the Emmers Police did like arrest a couple of people,

0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like one guy that was loitering on the bike path.

0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:48.560
<v Speaker 3>Was kind of creepy, and his name was Dave.

0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.400
<v Speaker 1>They got him, but everybody got exonerated by DNA because

0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it didn't match. So by two thousand and two, the

0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:57.360
<v Speaker 1>statute limitations is up on all these rapes, but not

0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the murder, which obviously could still be proxiicant did so

0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 1>after nine After nineteen ninety, which is when Linda was killed.

0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:08.720
<v Speaker 1>In ninety two, they found the body of Majean Mazur,

0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 1>who was a sex worker who was sexually assaulted and

0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:13.480
<v Speaker 1>murdered by strangulation the same way as Linda was. She

0:59:13.600 --> 0:59:15.760
<v Speaker 1>was found in a field in Buffalo, over three weeks

0:59:15.760 --> 0:59:19.440
<v Speaker 1>after she disappeared. She was a heroin addict and she

0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:22.720
<v Speaker 1>was allegedly they knew each other, her in the attacker,

0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and so he killed her because she could id him

0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and like he had solicited her before, they think, and

0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:30.680
<v Speaker 1>probably because she was a sex worker.

0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:33.880
<v Speaker 3>There's actually not very much information about her murder.

0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like, I know she had a daughter

0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:38.000
<v Speaker 1>who was five at the time of her murder, but

0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of all I could find out about her.

0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And then then what's creepy is On September twenty ninth,

0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:48.040
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, which is six years sixteen years

0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:48.440
<v Speaker 1>to the.

0:59:48.520 --> 0:59:50.479
<v Speaker 3>Day that Linda Yellam was killed.

0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Joan Diver, a nurse from Clarence, New York, disappeared after

0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:57.440
<v Speaker 1>going on a run on a rural bike path. Her

0:59:57.480 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 1>body was found two days later, also strangled, and interestingly,

1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:03.800
<v Speaker 1>she was the only victim who was not sexually assaulted.

1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.280
<v Speaker 1>It's thought that she may have died from strangulation before

1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the attacker could get to the sexual assault. So a

1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:13.720
<v Speaker 1>few months later, investigators linked the DNA to all three

1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:17.160
<v Speaker 1>murders and to five of the rapes, and the DNA

1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:20.240
<v Speaker 1>also show that the attacker would be of Hispanic origin,

1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:23.520
<v Speaker 1>so a task force was formed that included New York

1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:27.680
<v Speaker 1>State Police, Erie County Sheriff's Department, Buffalo, and Amer's police departments.

1:00:28.200 --> 1:00:30.840
<v Speaker 1>They cross referenced all these lists of suspects they'd have

1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:33.520
<v Speaker 1>over the years, and they landed on a man named

1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Altemio Sanchez, who had been a suspect in a nineteen

1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:40.280
<v Speaker 1>eighty one rape and was the only Hispanic man to

1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:42.720
<v Speaker 1>show up on multiple lists when they cross reference, and

1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:46.080
<v Speaker 1>this man, al Tamio Sanchez, was from Puerto Rico, so

1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:49.280
<v Speaker 1>they started surveilling him, like they were following him around

1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:51.720
<v Speaker 1>town to and from his factory job. And then they

1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:54.600
<v Speaker 1>are literally undercover in a restaurant one night while he

1:00:54.880 --> 1:00:58.520
<v Speaker 1>is at dinner with his wife, and they had instructed

1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:00.720
<v Speaker 1>the people at the restaurant do not any of his

1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:03.480
<v Speaker 1>stuff when he's done, and they did this shit that

1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:05.400
<v Speaker 1>they do on SVU all the time that I always

1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:08.080
<v Speaker 1>think is like sort of for TV. But they get

1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:11.160
<v Speaker 1>his plate, his glass, and utensils after his meal, they

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<v Speaker 1>test it for DNA and it matches the DNA from

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<v Speaker 1>three murders. So Altimio Sanchez is the guy, and profilers

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<v Speaker 1>had thought he was single and a loner. And you know, interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>I was on Twitter, the app formerly known as Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on X the other day and I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine tweet in another conversation this Vox

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<v Speaker 1>article about profiling that it talks about how profiling like

1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:41.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work, like it's not real and maybe we should

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<v Speaker 1>like have TV shows stop celebrating it. I will link

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<v Speaker 1>to it in the show notes. But it's interesting about

1:01:48.960 --> 1:01:53.720
<v Speaker 1>criminal profiling. When they do studies, most profiling doesn't really

1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:56.960
<v Speaker 1>come up with more information than what like non trained

1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:00.080
<v Speaker 1>profilers could come up with and in this case, they

1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:04.800
<v Speaker 1>assumed this guy was single, a loner, hates women, I

1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:07.400
<v Speaker 1>mean probably does hate women. But it turned out a

1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:10.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of the stuff they thought about this guy was incorrect.

1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Sanchez was a short, stocky, bald man with a mustache.

1:02:13.400 --> 1:02:16.280
<v Speaker 1>He did not fit the profile of a quote unquote

1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:19.480
<v Speaker 1>maladjusted loaner. He was employed, he was married, and he

1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:22.840
<v Speaker 1>had two sons, which we've seen BTK, the Green River

1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:24.720
<v Speaker 1>killer was married. You know a lot of people I

1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:27.720
<v Speaker 1>can't appear well adjusted and look quote unquote like the

1:02:27.760 --> 1:02:32.000
<v Speaker 1>guy next door, quote husband, father, solid work record, little

1:02:32.040 --> 1:02:35.400
<v Speaker 1>league baseball coach, church goer. He just didn't fit anybody's profile,

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<v Speaker 1>said Frank Clark, the county district attorney. And Sanchez's neighbors

1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:44.080
<v Speaker 1>in suburban chic Towaga, where he lived, were stunned. Like

1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:47.400
<v Speaker 1>The New York Times wrote, he just blended in. All

1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:49.760
<v Speaker 1>his neighbors thought he was thoughtful, helpful. He would have

1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:52.240
<v Speaker 1>like garden parties in the summer, like pot lucks, people

1:02:52.240 --> 1:02:55.800
<v Speaker 1>would bring food to And this is so fucking creepy.

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<v Speaker 3>Get this, This motherfucker actually registered.

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<v Speaker 1>And ran in Linda Yellham Memorial run in nineteen ninety six,

1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:05.840
<v Speaker 1>which is a run that her family set up to

1:03:06.240 --> 1:03:09.120
<v Speaker 1>like to honor her memory, and he murdered her and

1:03:09.200 --> 1:03:12.600
<v Speaker 1>then for six years later ran in her memorial race

1:03:12.640 --> 1:03:14.640
<v Speaker 1>that fifteen hundred plus people ran and it was like

1:03:14.680 --> 1:03:18.200
<v Speaker 1>a three point one mile race, and come sick, come

1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:24.480
<v Speaker 1>so sick. But also this is that's such an sbu plotline.

1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:27.240
<v Speaker 1>I know, like to go to the memorial race.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually they just go to the press or the memorial

1:03:29.760 --> 1:03:32.800
<v Speaker 2>or the cemetery, but to fucking race, that is.

1:03:33.400 --> 1:03:34.400
<v Speaker 3>To run in the race.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, who would think, No one would think that

1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you would be like that the killer would be on

1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:40.320
<v Speaker 1>that list of fifteen hundred people.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I wonder, Oh my god. Sick. And he

1:03:44.640 --> 1:03:47.080
<v Speaker 3>actually had like pretty much no record.

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<v Speaker 1>He had two arrests for soliciting prostitution in ninety one

1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and ninety nine, but they didn't go anywhere. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety the police questioned mister Sanchez and took his fingerprints

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<v Speaker 1>after a coworker reported him lurking on a bike on

1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the bike path. So but I guess fingerprints weren't part

1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of the evidence they had gathered. In nineteen eighty one,

1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:11.840
<v Speaker 1>five years before the first rape of his that we

1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:17.640
<v Speaker 1>have connected. Officers interviewed this Sanchez's uncle after a rape

1:04:17.720 --> 1:04:21.320
<v Speaker 1>victim thought she spotted her attacker in the uncle's car

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<v Speaker 1>at a shopping mall. But at twenty years later, twenty

1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:27.760
<v Speaker 1>five years later, the uncle is like, oh, yeah, I

1:04:27.840 --> 1:04:30.040
<v Speaker 1>forgot to tell the cops that my nephew had borrowed

1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:32.720
<v Speaker 1>the car that when that woman made that report. So

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<v Speaker 1>when the cops came to him and said, this woman

1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:37.280
<v Speaker 1>says her rapist was in your car, the guy had

1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:39.080
<v Speaker 1>an airtight alibi because it wasn't him, it was his

1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:40.320
<v Speaker 1>nephew he'd lent the car to.

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<v Speaker 3>And this guy just never told the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>And then twenty five years later, you've been basically harboring

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<v Speaker 1>a serial rapist and murderer as your nephew. Worse still,

1:04:50.760 --> 1:04:54.600
<v Speaker 1>is that a man named Anthony Capozzi, who was, you know,

1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:59.400
<v Speaker 1>suffering from schizophrenia, served twenty two years for two rapes

1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that are now through DNA tied to Sanchez, and his

1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:06.720
<v Speaker 1>convictions have since been erased. But it was crazy because

1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:09.760
<v Speaker 1>this guy was, like everybody said, he was severely debilitated.

1:05:09.800 --> 1:05:11.760
<v Speaker 1>He was on medication that made him slow and lethargic.

1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:15.240
<v Speaker 1>He was much heavier than what women reported. There's no

1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:17.160
<v Speaker 1>way he would have been able to like physically detain

1:05:17.200 --> 1:05:19.320
<v Speaker 1>these women because he was so sluggish from his medication.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's the eighties, so let's just like

1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:23.920
<v Speaker 1>get this guy with a mental health issue and lock

1:05:24.000 --> 1:05:24.840
<v Speaker 1>him up for these rapes.

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<v Speaker 3>But it wasn't him.

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<v Speaker 1>Just essentially how making a murderer starts, but then we

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<v Speaker 1>know how it ends anyway, May two thousand, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I said this, but just to be clear, he is

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<v Speaker 1>arrested in January of two thousand and seven, and then

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<v Speaker 1>in May two thousand and seven, he pleads guilty to

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<v Speaker 1>the murders of Lynda Ellam, Majen Mazour, and Joan Diver.

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<v Speaker 1>In August of that same year, he sentenced to seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five years to life. He was imprisoned at the Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>Correctional Facility in the Adirondacks, but I looked him up

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<v Speaker 1>in like the inmate system for New York, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>since been moved to the Wendy Correctional Facility, which we

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<v Speaker 1>just talked about on another episode. And I think from

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<v Speaker 1>what I gathered, it's possible that him pleading guilty got

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<v Speaker 1>him moved to a facility closer to his family, so

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<v Speaker 1>because the Wendy facility is like just east of Buffalo,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's closer to home and closer to where he

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<v Speaker 1>committed his crimes. But yeah, this is like another case

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<v Speaker 1>of just like a guy who totally blended in no

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<v Speaker 1>one thought it could have been him, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>just doing these horrific crimes and probably was also a

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<v Speaker 1>power reassurance rapist, like made him feel like a man.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, wow, but it seemed also like the

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<v Speaker 1>people that he killed he killed to either cover up

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<v Speaker 1>form id or because they fought back, or he Like

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<v Speaker 1>with the third victim, I think he was just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to strangle her and he killed her by accident. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, horrible. Well he'll be in he'll rot in

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<v Speaker 1>jail forever. So that's that story, and you know he'll

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<v Speaker 1>be in jail forever. And Fred Savage's character is dead

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor of his hair flip lawyer girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the profiling. It's like clearly a criminal their

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<v Speaker 2>anti criminal minds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, specifically this specifically this says it basically talks about

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<v Speaker 1>mindhunter criminal minds and says that like you see criminal

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<v Speaker 1>profiles even in shows like The Alienist, which is about

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<v Speaker 1>happens in eighteen ninety six, Like, like the article goes,

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<v Speaker 1>we hardly do anything about human psychology in eighteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 3>But I guess Malcolm.

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<v Speaker 1>Gladwell did like a thing about this a while ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh, the research that they are talking about

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<v Speaker 1>just says like it's just not conclusive.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, I guess I know, But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like Malcolm Gladwell. He's really like been a proponent about

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<v Speaker 2>going back to the office, and I'm like, fuck off,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you don't go to an office. I just

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<v Speaker 2>find people that don't actually go to office as being

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<v Speaker 2>like it's good for you. It's like this is all

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<v Speaker 2>about real estate and money for rich people. Like everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>lives are better not having to go to the office.

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<v Speaker 2>And anyone that is pro office to me, you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I'm against you. I agree, I agree with

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<v Speaker 3>you on all that.

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<v Speaker 1>But Malcolm Godwell does call out a lot of bullshit

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<v Speaker 1>rich people shit, Like he has a great article. He

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<v Speaker 1>has a great episode of his podcasts Revisionist History about

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<v Speaker 1>golf courses and how golf courses are like total bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>They take up so much fucking land in cities that

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<v Speaker 1>could be used for people to enjoy. They're privately owned.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't pay taxes, like basically tax paper. Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>they pay taxes because there's these loopholes where like specifically

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<v Speaker 1>in LA the members are the owners, so they can't

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<v Speaker 1>be tax like because the membership owns the club, even

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<v Speaker 1>though there are owners of country.

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<v Speaker 3>Clubs like people. So it's all set up like tax shields.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, like there's places like in Toronto where

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be private golf clubs, like the city will own

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<v Speaker 1>golf clubs that members can only go to them on

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<v Speaker 1>the weekends. It's members only on the weekends, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the week anybody can go. And I'm like okay with that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like let's let the membership money pay for

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<v Speaker 1>something that helps other people in the city. But they

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<v Speaker 1>just take up tons of public fucking land and they're

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<v Speaker 1>just for rich people. So he definitely goes after other shit.

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<v Speaker 1>But I agree with you on the office space thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. He's probably trying to make some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of statement about what it does for us culturally

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<v Speaker 1>as human beings, that we need to be around each

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<v Speaker 1>other and blah, blah blah. But I haven't actually heard

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<v Speaker 1>him talk about that. Oh God, I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't taken a breath in ten minutes. Anyway, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the bike path rapist fucked up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad they solved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy that SVU kind of did a episode based on

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<v Speaker 1>it and then it it all shook out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well and get ready for our post mortem because there

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<v Speaker 2>are no guests. Well, this is wild because we were

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<v Speaker 2>just talking in the intro about Danny Masterson and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the This is like completely in line with reality.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, she's like, but he's my husband, but he

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<v Speaker 3>has a puppy and well, now.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been a woman and cut off her skin, but

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<v Speaker 2>not do I mean this biting whatever? Like this is

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<v Speaker 2>actually the perfect episode too with what is going on

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<v Speaker 2>where people just because they have friends they can't be

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<v Speaker 2>rapists or because your friend didn't rape you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, this guy almost reminds me of the guy

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<v Speaker 1>from those episodes we haven't actually covered them, but like

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<v Speaker 1>the ones with Michael Jay Fox's wife Tracy Pollen where

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<v Speaker 1>the guy ends up he's just like a rich guy

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<v Speaker 1>that just does this and he collects little tokens like

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<v Speaker 1>he takes necklaces and bracelets and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I remember the Tracy episode and it's like that

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<v Speaker 2>episode's all about like the post trauma and they do

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<v Speaker 2>a good job, but I don't Actually there.

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<v Speaker 3>Are two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>The bad guy, Yeah, there's two of them, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>like one is like when it first happens to her,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they catch up with her like a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years later, and she's like a vigilante now or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the bad guy kind of looks like Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>Modine and he's just this really smug, rich guy who's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do any thing, and his wife is covering

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<v Speaker 1>for him until she realizes that all the gifts that

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<v Speaker 1>he gave her were trophies from his victims and that

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<v Speaker 1>he probably loves seeing her wear them, so she does

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<v Speaker 1>that little sick total. But like, yeah, this guy, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy in the real case too, just like had garden

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<v Speaker 1>parties potlucks. People said he was a good guy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like really, honestly, don't know. Potlucks are trash. Make

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<v Speaker 1>wanted you host a little bit, be a host. Potlucks

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<v Speaker 1>are trash. I hate bringing stuff to a pot luck

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm just not unless I could just bring like

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<v Speaker 1>something from the grocery store, I'm just not good at

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know because.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't trust people, like and it's transporting. Here's a

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<v Speaker 2>potato salad I drove in my hot car, like ha ha,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand telling people like, oh, bring some drinks and

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<v Speaker 2>desserts some but like if you're hosting, fucking host And

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<v Speaker 2>this actually showed up on my phone where it was

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<v Speaker 2>you know, am I the ass list and that, and

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<v Speaker 2>there were these white women were talking about if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a child's birthday party, it said food will be there,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's for the kids. And I guess one adult

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<v Speaker 2>was like annoyed, and so they were like, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a kid party. We're not here to feed everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the one person who was not white, not

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<v Speaker 1>sure where she's friend, was like, oh, yeah, no ethnic

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<v Speaker 1>people's that's what you're saying is wild. Yeah, you feed

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<v Speaker 1>every single person. There's an abundance of food, and you

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<v Speaker 1>send people home.

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<v Speaker 3>With food, is what she was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're like, well, what if the families have siblings?

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<v Speaker 1>She goes, yeah, no, everyone gets.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like what about the spouses, like they couldn't under

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<v Speaker 2>they could not believe feeding everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>No, like this is my problem.

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<v Speaker 1>When Jared's like, you invited so many people to Rosie's birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, the issue is if she has fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>friends and they all have a little brother and they

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<v Speaker 1>bring two parents, that's like fourteen times four. Like immediately

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<v Speaker 1>it's a party of eighty people, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's and you have to feed every That's just

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I'm ordering massive pizzas that are the size

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<v Speaker 1>of like a desk, because I need to feed everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that is a crazy Like that's a I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anyone who I've never been to a kid's party

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been to dozens where they're like the foods

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<v Speaker 1>drifts for the kids. Yeah, these women or the rules

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<v Speaker 1>were like short said lunch, they mean unicorn, bread and popcorn,

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<v Speaker 1>not you feed yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, yeah, that's who, that's who has a potluck.

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<v Speaker 2>That's who goes come to my party. But by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's buyob and potluck that's Byob and Paul. The only

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<v Speaker 2>time a potluck is appropriate is when it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>party where everyone at the school brings a dish from

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<v Speaker 2>their heritage.

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<v Speaker 3>I can get behind that. You bring an Israeli.

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<v Speaker 1>Salad, you bring some strogan off, you bring paiea if

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to taste the world, yeah, children, then yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've done it potluck stile at my house, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess where I've said, like it's last minute and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just good friends and I'm like can you bring this?

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<v Speaker 1>And you bring this and I'll do this, and we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like divided off quick pay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's different. That's you going, hey, I'll order the dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you bring this?

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<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's friendship. But the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that friend the times with friends, we will bring.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff to each other's house, of course, but we are

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<v Speaker 3>not what's the word made to feel like you have

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<v Speaker 3>to yeah obligated?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obligated because you know, I had a friend you

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly who it is where if you stayed at

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<v Speaker 2>their home and you did not leave them gifts, they

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<v Speaker 2>would talk shit about.

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<v Speaker 3>You to your They would tell you, oh, will you

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<v Speaker 3>were supposed to leave me a gift? Oh yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>They would scream at you, going, why didn't you pay

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<v Speaker 2>for our pedicare? Like because I remember one time I

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<v Speaker 2>was like trying to get until a flight and Kara

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<v Speaker 2>was driving me. I wasn't living in La yet, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I have to go buy a gift.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to leave them gifts. And she's like, do

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<v Speaker 2>you really have to leave them a gift?

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<v Speaker 3>You got it. I'm like, I have to leave a

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<v Speaker 3>gift or they get this.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I had real friends sit me down, going

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<v Speaker 1>you could just hang out, you could truly come to

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<v Speaker 1>our home.

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<v Speaker 3>We do not need gifts from you.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a big learning experience because I felt

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<v Speaker 1>so made to feel like a horrible person. If it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And I'll always pay for a dinner. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well yeah with friendship, it's like I'll bring something.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I go to your house and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>bring something, I don't think once I leave, you'd be like, God,

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<v Speaker 2>that ungrateful little bitch.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't bring a cheese. You know, I just don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, I feel like we should at this point call

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<v Speaker 1>out an article that our friend wrote that we both

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed it. Let's do we have There's a comedian

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<v Speaker 1>that are that we both like, named Matty Connors, and

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of August.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess the article came out about a month

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<v Speaker 1>ago called Generosity and Paranoia, and it's the and then

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<v Speaker 1>the subtitle is the American Love Language, and it's on

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<v Speaker 1>Dirt and the website for Dirt is dirt dot FYI,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll post a link to it in the show notes,

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<v Speaker 1>but just want and I can also probably do a

1:15:59.479 --> 1:16:01.160
<v Speaker 1>story of it day it comes out. But we really

1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:02.880
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed this article and it was like a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>giving gifts and generosity. That was interesting, So we'll call

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<v Speaker 1>that out.

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<v Speaker 3>People are trash, but that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I always want to bring stuff, but then

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<v Speaker 2>someone that's like, listen, the flower shop was closed.

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<v Speaker 3>We're good friends who cares? Yeah, yeah, But I also

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<v Speaker 3>don't like coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm full of contradictions, honestly in this post mortem,

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<v Speaker 2>because I also I don't like going to places empty handed.

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<v Speaker 3>No me neither.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I really am, yeah, I usually bring a

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of wine. If I can't, I go, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get it together to get the wine before

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<v Speaker 1>I came, like, you know, and they're like, you're my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter, you know, And I think if you're

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<v Speaker 1>habitually coming and being a bit like I have a

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<v Speaker 1>friend that comes to parties and just like brings garbage

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<v Speaker 1>and then just eats like he's never eaten before, like

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<v Speaker 1>an animal, and you're just like, you have to like

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<v Speaker 1>calm down at parties.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you think you're not going to type

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<v Speaker 2>into the chat who this is, you are mistaken. This

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<v Speaker 2>is yes, eating all your food and bringing trash.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh yeah people. Yeah, I don't even know that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a few of Yeah, I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>I get confused between all the varieties of this person's name.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, delete that break. Yeah, but one time I went,

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<v Speaker 1>at least Mitch mcconald for a second.

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<v Speaker 4>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>We can leave the break, and if we were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to prove it, people will probably think it broke it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did Mitch the one time.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be offended if you said I'm Mitch mcconald,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because everything else is like I kicked school

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<v Speaker 2>children and you're like, look at this McConnell.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>One time I went to the house of like a rich,

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<v Speaker 2>famous person and I did bring like chips and white claws,

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<v Speaker 2>and I immediately felt humiliated because he had a chef

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<v Speaker 2>and two bartenders, and so I like hid my bag

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<v Speaker 2>in the kitchen. So I guess if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>someone that's super rich, you don't have to bring it anything.

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<v Speaker 2>What I what bothers me is I've read about etiquette

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't you shouldn't bring flowers unless it's in

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<v Speaker 2>a vase, and it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to get a vase. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I do like flowers though, in like nice like paper

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<v Speaker 1>versus like plastic, like you know, like it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>it's classier when it comes from like the florist in

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<v Speaker 1>our neighborhood does like this pretty like wrap around it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes me feel like I've spent more neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>our neighborhood's incredible. The florests, every single piece of our

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I woke up telling you this this morning. We're

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<v Speaker 2>in the time machine. I don't know if you cared.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I was talking to my mom, she goes,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing for Russia, Shanna? And I'm like, nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>like going to a couple of birthday parties. She goes,

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<v Speaker 2>you better eat a circle hala and apples and honey.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, I'll bet, I'll get a bagel and she goes, no,

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<v Speaker 2>a circle Hala, apple and honey.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was on Instagram before bed and Belle's

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<v Speaker 2>bagels goes last data pre order circle.

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<v Speaker 3>Halla is an apple cake. So I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hopefully I'll see you that because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I can finish a whole hala in apple cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to come up from My kids will eat Halla

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<v Speaker 1>and they eat apples and honey for breakfast, like all

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Russiashana in my house constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I will bring I'll bring my Russia Shana

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<v Speaker 2>goodies to your house for breakfast lunch vibes, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we can do a little Jewish hang with the kids. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's sprinkle a little Judaism on my children because they're

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<v Speaker 2>not getting too much of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a fun new year, you know why not?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, let's move on right to Sister Peg. No,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk more about Judaica. Yeah, let's move on.

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<v Speaker 3>For what would Sister Peg do?

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<v Speaker 1>Our weekly segment where we give you guys a resource,

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<v Speaker 1>an organization, a book, a blog, something to give you

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<v Speaker 1>more information about what we talked about in today's episode, We're.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna point you once again.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we've we've pointed to this organization before, but

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<v Speaker 1>not for a while, and they are like a vital

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<v Speaker 1>national resource for rape survivors and survivors of abuse. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's RAIN, which is the Rape Abuse and Incest National Network.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the nation's largest anti sexual violence organization. I truly

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<v Speaker 1>can't find other ones that are as national as RAIN,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I think they what they do is they

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<v Speaker 1>operate the National Sexual Assault Hotline in partnership with more

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<v Speaker 1>than a thousand local sexual assault service providers, So I

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<v Speaker 1>think they work to kind of bring together what all

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<v Speaker 1>fifty states offer in terms of rape crisis across the

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<v Speaker 1>country and operates the DoD Safe Helpline for the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Defense. So for more information about RAIN, you can

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