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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson. It is a something much warmer.

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Speaker 1: You're getting pretty hot out there.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's not crazy out, not crazy out.

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Speaker 3: There's some craziness going on all around, but not here. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: it's a beautiful Thursday here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: I heard there's several inches of snow in Mobile, Alabama

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Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah they get like so New Orleans

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Speaker 3: got like ten inches. Wow, Pencer Cola, I think got five.

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Speaker 1: How much fun do you think they're having it?

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Speaker 3: They don't how to deal with that stuff. I know

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Speaker 3: they're just like street right yeah, among other things. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, so we'll see if that's all melted by

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Speaker 3: the time I get down there next week. You are

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Speaker 3: now not going.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going, but so we'll still do shows. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. We'll have watching practice and try to

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Speaker 1: do the best I can from up here.

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Speaker 3: We'll do uh, every day. I'm just four to six.

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Speaker 3: Why do I keep saying five to seven? Where's that coming?

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Speaker 3: No reason for that, Yeah, there's no reason for that. Anyways, Matt,

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Speaker 3: the NFL announced their finalists for all the awards.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen it today.

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Speaker 3: TJ Watt, you know, the guy everybody said had such

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Speaker 3: a down year. He's in the top five voting for

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Speaker 3: AP Defensive Player of the Year. Okay, he must really

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Speaker 3: stink down here. Only just awful, awful, get rid of them.

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Speaker 3: The other finalists for Defensive Player of the Year Zach

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Speaker 3: Bond from the mccut, Miles Garrett, okay, Trey Hendrickson, Pat

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Speaker 3: Patrick's retained the second and what I.

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Speaker 1: Think Sirtain's going to get it probably I think he's

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Speaker 1: the Vegas leader. Yeah, and he would probably be my vote.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I'm sure. I'm I'm happy

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Speaker 1: that Bond got in that mix. He deserves it, no

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Speaker 1: clear cut. Well, it's not a great year. It's not

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Speaker 3: But anyways, uh So for the m v P, Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen Okay, Barkley, Joe Burrow, Jared Goff, and Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: It's a two horse race, but that's a strong group. Now,

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Speaker 1: if Barkley can't crack the top two or three, that's

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Speaker 1: a pretty strong group. Is clearly five to me.

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Speaker 3: Offensive Player of the Year is Barkley, Burrow, Jamar, Chase,

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. I mean, like, why not Alan?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's a good question, that's extremely good question.

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Speaker 1: Or why double up on in some of the quarter.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean that Alan's not going to win MVP.

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Speaker 1: Or do they just think he is so get him

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Speaker 3: And the way the voting goes for this, folks, it's

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Speaker 3: it's people the Associated Press picks. I think it's fifty

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Speaker 3: people around the pretty sure. Yeah, the cover of the NFL.

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Speaker 3: It used to be a different writer in every city

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Speaker 3: of people from the NFL network have votes. Serious radio hosts.

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Speaker 3: There's not a Pittsburgh There's nobody in Pittsburgh has a vote.

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Speaker 3: So that's the way that goes. So you just don't

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Speaker 1: It's four or five years ago, there was a bunch

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Speaker 1: of how can I mean Ben Roethlisberger and Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: a lot of the people on those lists won't get votes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Offensive Rookie of the Year finalists are Brock Bowers,

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Speaker 3: Miles Kilberg got added as well.

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Speaker 1: From okay, all kinds of stuff going on. The awards

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Speaker 3: Defensive player the Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 1: This part isn't awesome. Cooper Dejenka, Brayden Fisk, Quinyam Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: and not coincidentally, those guys have been playing deep into

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Speaker 3: But the votes are all taken tally before that happens. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Nice to have a good rookie class to get you

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Speaker 1: out Mitchell. I would have voted for Fisk. Fisk led

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Speaker 3: Good as Verse. What Verse had four and a half

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Speaker 3: Uh, Coach of the year.

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Speaker 3: Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell. Who probably gonna win it?

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Speaker 1: Pretty good group. Yeah, I mean Andy Reid lost one game.

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Speaker 3: Have gotten my vote of him. I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 3: they did what they're expected to do. Andy Reid and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's also harsh on the Tomlins and Belichicks

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Speaker 1: and Knolls over the year when you are the best

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Speaker 3: Assistant Coach of the Year that is uh Bill's offensive

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Speaker 1: I think he might get the Jags job. Eagles defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator Vic Fangio, Okay, huge stuff from from the.

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Speaker 3: Area, Vikings defensive coordinator Brian Flores, Lions defensive talented defense,

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Speaker 3: They did not. Their schedule helped with who they played.

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Speaker 3: You know, they didn't play as they didn't play a

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Speaker 3: I think fangioh. I mean they they had the best

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Speaker 1: A lot of linebackers safety from Zack Vaughan into a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, comeback player of the Year. And they changed the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know how they change the rules? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You had to to come back from some kind of injury,

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Speaker 3: not coming back from stinking.

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Speaker 1: Right, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If that's the case, then why is why isn't Zach

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? I mean who took there's a difference between most

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Speaker 3: I'm all for it. Yeah, but he didn't come back

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Speaker 1: No, he was Perty's backup all year. Yeah, he chose

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Speaker 3: Right, right, right, that's not what the rule says.

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Speaker 1: How many games that Borrow miss last year? It seems

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Speaker 1: like a million years ago. I mean, it was awesome

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Speaker 1: this year, so probably. I think he only played like

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Speaker 3: That's all the awards?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think it's like, boy he got

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Speaker 3: It really hard to do it as a defensive tackle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, we'll talk about this in the

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Speaker 3: But you know, the most the thing that stands out

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Speaker 1: It's insane.

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Speaker 1: And even I don't know if you broke it down

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Speaker 3: Running, Yeah, wouldn't nowhere to run, nowhere to hide?

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Speaker 3: right after this. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lellye.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: As the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson except no imitations, and except no imitations for

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Speaker 3: Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 1: Yes, really aren't any no. And we talked about this

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you brought that up because I looked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me let me call that up here.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned that the you know, that's that's kind of

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Speaker 3: He's closing in on Fletcher Cox, who's at seventy eight

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Speaker 1: This they went back and looked at all the sacks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So the average right now is a score of one

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00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 3: oh two. One championship, four First Team All Pro, seven

441
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl.

442
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 1: How many Pro Bowls did you say Cam has?

443
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 3: Cam has no championships, but he has four first Team

444
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 3: All Pros and seven Pro Bowl and.

445
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: A Defensive Man of the Year, NFL Man of the Year, Yeah,

446
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,199
Speaker 1: which carries a lot of we he's going to the

447
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I think he's going. Yeah, how many

448
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 1: career sacks.

449
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 3: He is now at eighty eight and a half.

450
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,239
Speaker 1: Let's say if he gets to a hundred, I think

451
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: it's done if.

452
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 3: You look at it from that perspective. Alan Page leads

453
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 3: away with one hundred and forty eight and a half. Wow,

454
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 3: then you had John Randall at won thirty seven and

455
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,959
Speaker 3: a half, Aaron Donald with one eleven, Randy White with

456
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 3: one eleven, Alex Karras with one hundred. Only those are

457
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 3: the only defensive tackles, five of them with one hundred

458
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 3: sacks in their career.

459
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if he has two years, he's going to

460
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: get it. He might get it in one right now.

461
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 3: Warren SAPs at ninety he finished with ninety six and

462
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 3: a half. Jethro Peugh, who's not in the Hall of Fame,

463
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 3: had ninety six and a half, Bob Lilly ninety five

464
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 3: and a half, Steve McMichael ninety five.

465
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: He just, yeah, I didn't think he should have been.

466
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 3: But Henry Thomas ninety three and a half, Merlin Olson

467
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 3: ninety one, Trevor Price ninety one, Bryant Young eighty nine

468
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 3: and a half. He just got in Cam's at eighty

469
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 3: eight and a half.

470
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna pass a lot of those guys he puts.

471
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: On another eight. Let's say he puts on another eight

472
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 3: next year. Well, now he's up there with Sap and

473
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 3: Jethro Pew at ninety six and a half.

474
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: As the guys that are just below one hundred. Yeah,

475
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: because all the ones over one hundred were pretty easy decisions.

476
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

477
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if he would decide to retire today,

478
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'd go, but I don't think

479
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: he's going to do that. And if he comes back

480
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: and has a year similar to this last one.

481
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 3: He's gonna play at least two more years. I would assume, Yeah,

482
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: I would assume. Yeah, So you know, one hundred sacks

483
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 3: is certainly in the range.

484
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: Post Season success would help, Yeah, no question, there's no doubt.

485
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: But I mean if he had, if he had a

486
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 3: Super Bowl right now, he would already be over, yeah,

487
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: because his score would be higher. Yeah, if he got

488
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 3: to one hundred sacks would be over anyway. So getting

489
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: back to the Steelers defensive line talk led by Cam Hayward.

490
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: Led by Cam Hayward, the defensive lineman here where you

491
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 3: know you're looking at Kean Ubenton, Larry Ogan, Jobi, Dean Lowry,

492
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 3: Montrevius Adams, Isaiah louder Milk, the Marvin Leal and Logan Lee.

493
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 1: Mm hmm did how how many? How much did Lee

494
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: Al play when it was all said and done.

495
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 3: He played like the first three or four games.

496
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking about a month.

497
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but almost almost exclusively because of injuries. He

498
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 3: was playing outside line.

499
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: But he was out of position a lot to Yeah,

500
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: they did, okay, So he's sort of an unwritten one,

501
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: as is Lee. I do think they have high hopes

502
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: for Lee, and I would think both those guys are

503
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: in the mixer on the roster next year. Yeah, I

504
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: think they need to add a guy, though they might

505
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: need to add more than one guy because well, louder

506
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: Milk's the only guy from that year that is a UFA.

507
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: You know, I don't I don't see real rush to

508
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: bring Isaiah Loudermilk back.

509
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: I say, if it's and he's still out there and

510
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: you didn't draft one and it's a league, take bring

511
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: him the camp and don't guarantee you know, that's as

512
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: good as just going to get it right.

513
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 3: And I understand, like the thing is that that the

514
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: coaching staff loves about louder Milk is he just does

515
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 3: his job. I just question whether he does it good.

516
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: Enough it has an impact the game enough. He doesn't.

517
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: He doesn't sack the quarterback. No I mentioned that double

518
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 3: teams or anything. Yeah, I mentioned the numbers with with

519
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: Hayward on the field and off the field. Well, a

520
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 3: lot of times that was louder Milk in that spot.

521
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: So I bet the splits with him on the field,

522
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: aren't we right?

523
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 3: Wonderful? Yeah?

524
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I mean does some stuff.

525
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he blocked the kick this year,

526
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: as did Dean Lowry. Yeah, you know that stuff matters too.

527
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: But but his stuff, what he's doing, isn't that hard

528
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: to find?

529
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you want to try to out draft that.

530
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if I chance, you're Carl Dunbar and

531
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: you're like, boy, he really turned the corner because of

532
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: this technique that he's art and to learn. Okay, you know,

533
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean there's ability there, but I haven't seen that,

534
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: you know.

535
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Benton, I thought was was good this year.

536
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 3: I think the arrow still pointed up on him, Yes,

537
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: very very much. So.

538
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't have gaudy sack numbers, but I

539
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: think he is become a very very good pass rusher. Yeah,

540
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: and impacting.

541
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 3: The numbers are that the sacks are going to come.

542
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 3: And I remember having that conversation with step On to

543
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 3: it early in his season about that same age and

544
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: a lot of He's like, I just need to stop

545
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: when I get close to the quarterback, I start to

546
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: chop my feet a little bit. He said, I got

547
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 3: to learn to run through the quarterback and lo and behold.

548
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 3: Then he has a double digit sacks g Yeah. After that,

549
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 3: Benton saw his snap count go from forty three percent

550
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: as a rookie last year to fifty nine percent this year.

551
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: As a rookie, he like barely played on third down. Yeah,

552
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: he was playing there. He basically was just a nose,

553
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: just a nose, right, And I don't think he is

554
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: a nose. I think he can be a nose. But

555
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: I think ideally it's him and Cam in a four

556
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: man front and nickel or dime and in their okie

557
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: they're three to four. I'd like to see him and

558
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: Cam flank a different note, a heavier guy, a big guy.

559
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: That's yeah.

560
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: I mean he's a good run defender, but he's not

561
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: a nose run defender. And He's still can get his

562
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: pads a little high too, which was a wisconstant thing.

563
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Larry ogun Jobi. Well, because Keanu Benton played more

564
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: in the Nickel one dime this year, saw his snap

565
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: count decrease.

566
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

567
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost flip flopped if you look at that.

568
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 3: He went from playing over he was around sixty percent

569
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: last year, where Benton was this year fifty nine to

570
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: forty five percent this year. They've basically flip flopped roles.

571
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what you want to hear. Yeah, in

572
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: a way. I mean because Oguen Joby's pretty stable, where

573
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: if Benton's moving past him, that's what you want to see.

574
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. The top backups were louder Milk, who played twenty

575
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: percent of the snaps, Montrevius Adam who played seventeen percent

576
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: of snaps, but he missed six games.

577
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: And missed a big stretch.

578
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: Some of these guys play with the knee injury. I

579
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: think he, to me is the most productive backup.

580
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll be honest, I've been I still am a

581
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: huge Adams fan. I don't know if he came back

582
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: from injury too soon or what, but I didn't think

583
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: he was nearly as good post injury that he was

584
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: with pre injury or the year before. I think he's

585
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: one of the most underrated Steelers in twenty twenty three.

586
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: And I just didn't see the impact after the injury.

587
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: And maybe he just came back early. I don't know.

588
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's possible. Lowry Dean Lowry played fourteen and a

589
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: half percent of the defensive snaps.

590
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: How many games did he actually appear in?

591
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: Though? That many?

592
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: Right?

593
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: He played? He was inactive a couple of times. I

594
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: remember last part. He was active. Is he up? No?

595
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: They signed him to a two year duo. Yeah, which

596
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: is fine.

597
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean if he's your fifth the lineman or yeah, right,

598
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: he's more than serviceable.

599
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a guy that you know, actually can get

600
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: to the quarterback again, as I mentioned, he blocked a kick.

601
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: He just understands how to play the game.

602
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: Lee Allen Lee interest me though. I mean they're still

603
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: pretty young. They're both pretty good athletes. We haven't seen

604
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: a ton of them in the role that the D

605
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: line role. I mean, Lee, it's not his fault he

606
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, didn't play it all this year. If one

607
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: of those two could take a nice step forward, that

608
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: would go a long way. I don't know what they'll

609
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: do with Ogunjobi's contract, but he's not guaranteed to be back,

610
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: so there could be spots, you know, for new dudes.

611
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to add to that group at the

612
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 3: very least in the first three rounds of the draft.

613
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean.

614
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: Preferably in those type. No, he's got to be in

615
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: those type of a certain kind. He's got to be

616
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: a guy who can play the nose but also can

617
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: rush the passer.

618
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't avoid free agency, you know, but yeah,

619
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: I would love to add from a really good defensive

620
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: tackle draft. There's two reasons for it. And I know

621
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: you know this, but I mean it's a deep, deep,

622
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: deep defensive tackle draft, so fish in those waters, you

623
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: know that. That's great. Plus, if you bring a rookie

624
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: in now, it's more Cam Hayward time for him, you

625
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's positive big brother role model,

626
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, uncle, absolutely not big brother. Maybe it's grandfather.

627
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: But you know, I wouldn't even I wouldn't even be

628
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: opposed to adding two guys there and just letting it.

629
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: Let's take them all to camp and see how it

630
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: sorts itself out.

631
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe a deal one or whatever. Two or

632
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: someone's gonna get hurt or whatever. Yeah, I wouldn't mind

633
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: two new bodies, especially if Oagan Jobe isn't there, you know,

634
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: who knows.

635
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: Even if he is. If he is, I'm gonna I'm

636
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: gonna let him fight this out and see what my

637
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: best my best three are or my best five in

638
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: that rotation. Then those tackle and you could keep seven.

639
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 3: They have done that. I've done that.

640
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's usually six or seven, but you could keep seven.

641
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: But I want depth there. You know, Lee could be

642
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: on the practice squad or whatever too. If someone's so good,

643
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: do you have to cut Lowry? Well, you know, I

644
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: mean you can live with.

645
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I think that. You know. The key to

646
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: me was that Heyward played. He been pretty much a

647
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: pretty constant eighty percent guy over the course of his

648
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 3: career a lot. Yeah, went down to seventy one percent

649
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: last year. About it's about a ten percent drop off

650
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: from where he was at in his late twenties and

651
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: early thirties. And less was more.

652
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was probably his best year.

653
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: But what they need to do is figure out how

654
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: less can be more for Hayward while also.

655
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: Not being weak when he's off the Yeah, not being you.

656
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: Know, him not being on the field being a distinct liability.

657
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: Which was because what if he gets hurt too, you know,

658
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: and there's a need to be a succession plan and

659
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff too.

660
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: Ideally you'd have another you know, in an ideal world,

661
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: you'd have stuff onto It would be about what thirty

662
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: two to thirty three right now, and they those guys

663
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: Ogajovi he probably wouldn't be on the team right.

664
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Right right, and you would you know, that was the

665
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: original plan.

666
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they didn't keep Javon Hargrave. They couldn't

667
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: pay three of them ten plus million dollars a year.

668
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: It just wasn't in the cards.

669
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Speaker 1: Would you still be at least on the phone with

670
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: hard Graves agent? Yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah, last we

671
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: saw him as good. What the injury. He's not as

672
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: young as you.

673
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: Think, but he's thirty one. Yeah, that's the thing about that,

674
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: that situation, when they were going through that, he was

675
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: essentially a year younger than to it, even though he

676
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: had been drafted three years later. Yeah, yeah, you know,

677
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: to it was a really young player at that position.

678
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, he'ple forget how good he was doing.

679
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: That's the thing that you know, when you talk about

680
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: some of the things that have happened to the Steelers

681
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: over the last few years. Everybody talks about the Shazier injury.

682
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: Right, which is really hard to overcome.

683
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: Nobody talks about Stefan's Twitt's retirely retirement right again.

684
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: In his in his prime, when he hung it up,

685
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: I thought he and Cam were equal players.

686
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: I can remember us going through voting that summer or

687
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: the summer before he hung it up, after his best season,

688
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 3: and people were gms around the league were voting on

689
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: who the best players were at each position as well,

690
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: like Sando, Aaron Donald got all the votes but one

691
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: at defensive tackle. Stephan two got that one vote that

692
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: didn't go to Aaron Donald.

693
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: I bet camoud even tell you this to it was

694
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: more athletic. I mean, I think he was more gifted.

695
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean he was a rare, rare physical specimen. Yeah,

696
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: and took him a minute to.

697
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: Again he was, but he was coming like twenty twenty

698
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: one years old. He just turned twenty one when he

699
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: came in when he came to the Steelers and had

700
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: only started playing football. I think his freshman year in

701
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: high school.

702
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: Now that's say he's new to the game and was

703
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: he injured his final year at Notre Dame? Is that

704
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: why he went to the second round? Was there some

705
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: I don't I know he was raw?

706
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't believe it was an I.

707
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: Can't remember what because he's the first round talent all

708
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: day long. Yeah, they got in the second, but yeah,

709
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: it's tough on to overcome.

710
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: He may have been hurt a little bit, but he was, Yeah,

711
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: a tremendous player, and you lose that when you expected

712
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: to have it. I mean, he was signed to a

713
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: long term deal. This he still counts. Again, it's their

714
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: salary cap this year. This year, he really because they

715
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: voided some of those years at the end of it

716
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: because they couldn't take the whole They want to take

717
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: the whole hit at that point, so they still have

718
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: dead money on their salary cap this year.

719
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: From Steph on two or in twenty twenty five, I

720
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: should say they started wasn't anywhere. I mean, he was

721
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: a foundational type.

722
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: Foundational piece.

723
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: It's apples oranges because it's a quarterback. But people don't

724
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: talk about what Andrew lux retirement did. I mean, it'd

725
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: be really close to like Joe Burrow hanging it up now.

726
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the type of player he was.

727
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: And he did it like a month before training camp. Yeah,

728
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, like no GM can and the cults have

729
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: been scrambling since you know, Steelers are looking for linebackers

730
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: since you.

731
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 3: Know others had that happened basically twice with you know,

732
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: a couple of year period where they lost two guys

733
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: who were foundational pieces. One was a first round draft

734
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: pick who just you know, was voted to the paint

735
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: club two years.

736
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: Right, I think the same rookie class. I don't believe

737
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: they that I can't remember. Pretty sure, pretty sure that

738
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: could be fifteen.

739
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: It might be right, Yeah, I'm looking up that I

740
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: know is that twenty fifteen draft? I think you might

741
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: be right about that.

742
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, both, No, twenty fifteen was it's twenty fourteen.

743
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: Fifteen was Bud Dupree, gotcha.

744
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the same class. Yeah, you lose two dudes.

745
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: Are really counting on familiar defense.

746
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: Too, top but would still be on the team, right,

747
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: still be a big part of this defense.

748
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: Our conversations might be like where do they get the

749
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: next Shazier?

750
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: Now?

751
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: You know, where do they get the next Yeah, Heyward, slash.

752
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: To it, Yeah, step on to it. Right now is

753
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: thirty one years old, he would still be in the

754
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: prime of his career.

755
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: Maybe they should call him.

756
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: I think he's done at disappoint Yeah, but yeah, and

757
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: Shazier at this point is now say he was pretty

758
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 3: young too, and he just turned thirty two during the

759
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: season last year. So they would still be viable players.

760
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: Sure, And there's always massive butterfly effects of these things,

761
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: but no way do you trade up for Bush, you know,

762
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: and like there's so many things that would have gone differently,

763
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: Like you may have made a worse choice in trading

764
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: up for Bush, who knows, And these guys would have

765
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: big cap hits and you wouldn't be able to sign

766
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: some others. And there's, like I said, there's butterfly effects,

767
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't have been well.

768
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: Again, if Tewett's situation had come up a year later

769
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: or a year earlier, I should say, they may have

770
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: kept you on Hargrave.

771
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: Right, They probably would have. Yeah, I mean they probably

772
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: would have. Yeah, And you probably still could have drafted Benton,

773
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't have an Ogunjobi or you know something

774
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: like all those.

775
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: There's just that trickle down effect that nobody ever wants. Well,

776
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: they don't have any of their draft picks from these

777
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 3: this draft and that draft. Well yeah yeah, but two

778
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 3: of those guys went through some pretty serious stuff that.

779
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, like, who on this they dine

780
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: an issue would be similar, you know, it would be

781
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: someone like Heismith if they if you decided I'm I'm

782
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: not nis in playing this game anymore, firemouth, or they

783
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: don't really have that guy that's twenty nine coming into

784
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: his own as a star. But like that's a really

785
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: hard thing to overcome. Yeah, you know, you already have

786
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: your team needs and then here's another massive one on

787
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: top of it. It was I never saw coming. Yeah.

788
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: So but the defensive line, I can definitely see them adding.

789
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: To I'd be shocked they don't.

790
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 3: This is just such a deep draft at the defensive lineman.

791
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: I I don't know that I would go the veteran

792
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: route in this one.

793
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: Because of the class. Yeah, it's sort of like the

794
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: running back conversation. I mean, you got hard rates is

795
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: alluring though.

796
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: Heyward's over thirty, Ogan Jobi's over thirty, Lowry's over thirty,

797
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: Adams is over thirty.

798
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I want to add some Venton's

799
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: your only young piece, you know, Leo right, yeah, I

800
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: mean Lee al and Lee will see and Leo was

801
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: having a good camp last I think he's got better too.

802
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just had an unfortunate injury this year.

803
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how many snap a game that guy

804
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: will ever be though. I mean, I don't think he'll

805
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: be Aaron Smith or Keysol, you know, yeah, eating things up,

806
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: you know.

807
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's where they're at with that group. And

808
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: uh again, I think it's one that they'll definitely add

809
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: to this offseason. And that's why we've when we've done

810
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: our mocks thus far, we've certainly taken our shared defensive lineman.

811
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and went in doubt, always take a dexter defensive lineman.

812
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean, you're not guaranteeing Logan Lee anything. It

813
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: was a six round draft pick.

814
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: No, I'm again if you're so.

815
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: Low like him, but you can always outdraft him.

816
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll probably up on the practice squad if that

817
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: was the case. R Yeah. Oh you want a lot

818
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: of competition, absolutely, that's what That's what gets you better,

819
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: for sure. I'm not even sure Lowry's guaranteed a spot.

820
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

821
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice piece, but if you got wow, we're loaded.

822
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: You can out draft him, right right, Yeah, So that's

823
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: where you're at right now. Let's get to a break.

824
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're

825
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: listening to The Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network,

826
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,200
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827
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,920
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828
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,680
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829
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: Alabama next week taking in all the players down there

830
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: and see you know what, uh, what's what down there?

831
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: Getting some eyeballs on you. You are too, But it's

832
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,719
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833
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 3: a little bit more about that when we come back.

834
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,120
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835
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,560
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836
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,000
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837
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,239
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838
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,040
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839
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 3: right after this.

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 1: Least.

841
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

842
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,799
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843
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

844
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He

845
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson and the as we mentioned the

846
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: All Star Games, I guess you can still call him that. Yeah, yeah,

847
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: that's that's what I've always been called.

848
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be invited.

849
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. They're going to take place here in Dallas and Mobile,

850
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Alabama here in the coming weeks, and just wanted to

851
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: take a look here, cruise through some of the top players.

852
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 3: The other day we did some of the sleeper type yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

853
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: So at the East West Shrine game, the top guy

854
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: overall is shoud Or Sanders is there.

855
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: And these East West guys, I don't know how much

856
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: they'll do, but they're going to be there, and there's

857
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: more stars than usual there.

858
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, Chavon Ravel, the cornerback out of East Carolina,

859
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: is going to be there, but he's not going to

860
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: work on the field because he's coming back from a

861
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: torn acl September twentieth, So he's just going to be

862
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: there to interview.

863
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: Makes sense.

864
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: Same thing with Trey Harris, the wide receiver rat of

865
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: Ole Miss.

866
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: Does he have an injury? Yeah, he's rehabbing an injury. Okay, Okay,

867
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. Yeah, I don't either.

868
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant is going to be there, big nose that

869
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: we've talked about a lot from Michigan. He'd go back

870
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: to the last segment. He'd fit in real well in

871
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: that D line conversation. That's one of the ones though.

872
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 3: I wonder why he went there because the pedifessive linemen

873
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: are immobile.

874
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: It makes me wonder like he's.

875
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: Going to stand out against the fourth, fifth, sixth round

876
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: offensive lineman. He's working against it, and you know.

877
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: He was invited to Mobile. Yeah, I mean it's not

878
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: like it wasn't a good enough prospect to go. Like

879
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: I could understand if you're Revel or someone like that,

880
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: that's not going to work out because then you're to

881
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: get more attention for your everyone's gonna interview as opposed

882
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's less big dogs there to fight

883
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: for airtime, so to speak. I don't know why. Maybe

884
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bulls is doing a better job recruiting.

885
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: I don't know, I know they are, yeah, yeah, like

886
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 3: they're trying to compete with the Senior Bowl and become

887
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: what the Senior Bowl is and because of that a

888
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: little bit, yeah, up its game as well. Yeah, it's

889
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: kind of a little bit of a jockeying back and

890
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: forth it's going on between the two.

891
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: Both are getting better.

892
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh. Chris Paul, the linebacker out of Ole Miss

893
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: is going to be there.

894
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: Don't know a ton about him. Haven't done much work

895
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: on the true linebackers either.

896
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: Ricky White, the receiver out of UNLV is going to

897
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: be there. Now he's a true West Western guy, so

898
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: that makes more sense.

899
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. So this game's on Thursday, the thirtieth. Yeah,

900
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: so if you guys want to watch.

901
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Antoine Powell Ryland, the defensive end out of Virginia Tech,

902
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: is going to be there. So he had sixteen sacks

903
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: this year, three forced fumble, So no.

904
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good group.

905
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. He's more of an edge rusher though.

906
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

907
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant, the cornerback out of Kansas, is going to

908
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: be there. He's a little skinny, but he's one hundred

909
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: and seventy pounds. He's got eleven interceptions. Let's say he's

910
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: super productive, though very productive. His running mate Mellow Dotson,

911
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: the other cornerback from Kansas is also going to be there.

912
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 3: He's an interesting guy as.

913
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: Well, helpful to go with the teammate too to these things. Yeah,

914
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: it could be a little overwhelming for the kids.

915
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had five picks this year. He had three

916
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: career pick sixes. That's intriguing to do.

917
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

918
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. Jacory Brooks, the wide receiver out of Louisville is

919
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: going to be there. Don't know much about him, six

920
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: three and ninety five pounds, A bigger guy that runs well.

921
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: You think somebody like that should stand out there.

922
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then Jay Higgins, the linebacker out of Iowa.

923
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: Okay, again, I don't know the linebacker group all.

924
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: That well, Yeah, some of the guys. Other guys keeping

925
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: eye on Zaia Alexander, the cornerback out of LSU. Luke

926
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: Leachi the tight end out of Iowa. You can never

927
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 3: go wrong drafting Iowa.

928
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: He's coming off an injury from two years ago. Yeah,

929
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a fan of his. I've been doing a

930
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: little bit of tight end homework in the last twenty

931
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: four hours or too.

932
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: Theo Wiese wide receiver out of Missouri. They used him

933
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 3: more this year than they used uh, Burton Burton. Burton

934
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: was more of a decoy kind of thing.

935
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Burton was a huge name coming into the draft

936
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: process a year ago and really cooled off. It's gonna

937
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: be his time to really shine here and combine and

938
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: that type of thing.

939
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. The top twenty players at the Senior Bowl. Josh Connerley,

940
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 3: offensive tackle out of Oregon in a.

941
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: Few pure tackles too. Yeah, we were talking about that

942
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: yesterday and they could move up. He was a he

943
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: was a converted former high school running back. That's insane, right, Yeah,

944
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: there's some of these guys who just like ket growing.

945
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's people like that just kept theirs insanely

946
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: to you.

947
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Armand Membu the offensive lineman out of Missouri getting

948
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: first on buzz YEP. Carson Swessinger, the linebacker out of UCLA.

949
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: Okay, I know the name, and he's probably a Day

950
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: two guy that I haven't watched him.

951
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: Walter Nolan, the defensive tackle out of Ole, miss He.

952
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: Would be a good Steeler. He's not a nose, but

953
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: he'd be a good Steeler. Yeah.

954
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: Nick Scourton, the defensive end out of Texas. A and

955
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: m kind of jealous. You get to see him in person.

956
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: I bet he's very physically impressive. Yeah, and he's a guy.

957
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: He just he's he's twenty years old and he's already

958
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: he's six four to two eighty.

959
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just.

960
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: Wonder can he put on like they use them as

961
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: they use them, kind of like they use the Marvin Leal. Yes,

962
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 3: that's very much so good com where he's They moved

963
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: him outside and did some stuff with him out there,

964
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: because he's athletic enough to do that. I think he's

965
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: a better athlete than le Al was.

966
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: Probably he's bigger, more physical, I would say, at the same.

967
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: He's got more bend to him as well.

968
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, where was he the year before

969
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: transferred from Missouri or Purdue? I believe due. Yeah, he

970
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: had a better year there, yeah than at A and M.

971
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 1: But he's only twenty. He's only twenty, yeah. I And

972
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: again they moved they bumped him outside. Garan they'll list

973
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: him is an edge, Yeah, but I don't think the

974
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Steelers look at him six four to two eighty and

975
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: he's twenty years old.

976
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: He can easily put on fifteen pounds and be a

977
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: defensive tackle three technique. Shamar Stewart the other defensive end

978
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: out of Texas A and M. And he's six six,

979
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: two ninety like. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why

980
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: they could take Scourton and flip him outside.

981
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: They just won't get the best guys on the field.

982
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: Ariantae Urser, the offensive tackle from Minnesota.

983
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, big fellow, he's a tackle.

984
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

985
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll bump in. Trey Amos, the cornerback

986
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: out of Ole Miss. He could certainly be very steel irrelevant. Yeah,

987
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: outside corner with length.

988
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: Started out at Alabama and started at Alaba, transferring Prince

989
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 3: Lee h Here we go again, now uman a Melon.

990
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: Prince you Prince Hugh Yeah, ole Miss right.

991
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 3: Ole Miss defensive end. He's a two hundred and sixty pounder,

992
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: so he's more of an edge guy. Same thing with

993
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: Mike Mike Green, the defensive end at A Marshall.

994
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: I think he's in a huge week.

995
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Marcus bow the guard out of Purdue. Okay, he

996
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: could play some tackle maybe maybe maybe tackle. I'm sure

997
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: they'll try him there. He's six five, three hundred pounds.

998
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart going to be there, as will Jaylen Milroe. Yeah,

999
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: quarterbacks on the battle backs, Maxwell Hairston, the cornerback out

1000
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: of Kentucky, and remember he was in Mel's first round yesterday.

1001
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, I think he's going to top fifty.

1002
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's six, so he could be.

1003
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: Very much in the seatos mix as well. I'm not

1004
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: saying you take my twenty one, but you.

1005
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 3: Know, Asirier Thomas, the cornerback out of Florida State, I

1006
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: think I've taken him a couple of time. Yeah, in

1007
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: some mock drafts, usually somewhere in that second to third round,

1008
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: typically third round here.

1009
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's six to two though, Yeah, and he's it

1010
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: seems like the college is producing more and more six

1011
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: foot plus corners than they ever. Oh.

1012
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: I mean that's where the receivers are going, so you

1013
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 3: have to Yeah, you have to play against those guys.

1014
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: You better have guys who can are big enough to

1015
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: ride the ride.

1016
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: I just think the receiver position is so competitive too

1017
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: that if I'm a six to one hundred and ninety

1018
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: pound guy, maybe I go to corner when I'm fifty,

1019
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: you know.

1020
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. Alfred Collins, the defensive tackle out of Texas sixty

1021
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: six three twenty, I would think he's a nose here. Uh.

1022
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: Jonah seven Lea, the guard out of Arizona, the.

1023
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: Mix of the Steelers.

1024
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he I mean he played left

1025
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: tackle with Arizona.

1026
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: But I think he can take everyone to project him

1027
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: to guard.

1028
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Diane Walker, the defensive tackle out of Kentucky six five,

1029
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: three fifty.

1030
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of first round buzz before.

1031
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 3: He's a better pass rusher than he is a run stuffer,

1032
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: which is.

1033
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: Kind of cool. Don't even line him up with the

1034
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: nose all that. Yeah, he would play a guy that size.

1035
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: He's six y five, though. I think he just the

1036
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: pads get too high. Yeah, and I think stamon is

1037
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: an issue too.

1038
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. Elk a human Ore, the wide receiver out of Stanford.

1039
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 3: He's intrigued.

1040
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

1041
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's six two to two ten. He blocks, he

1042
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: goes over the middle, he runs well, has great hands.

1043
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: No, I think they'll like him.

1044
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jaylen Milroe. I mentioned Wyatt Millam, the offensive lineman

1045
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: out of West Virginia. Uh, some sleepers keep an eye

1046
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: on Jayden Higgins out of Iowa State six four two

1047
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: fifteen twenty career touchdowns. You get Vernon Broughton. That the

1048
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: other defensive tackle out of Texas, Devin Neil, the running

1049
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: back out of Kansas, Josh Farmer, defensive tackle out of

1050
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: Florida State. They have his height and weight six three

1051
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: three eighteen.

1052
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: I say he's nos ish for sure. Then yeah, and

1053
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: then Will Howard from Yeah, I don't know if he'll

1054
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: do they're not. He just played yeahs Ago.

1055
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: But that's what you're looking at group for that group,

1056
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: really good group.

1057
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: Line stands out is one on ones are gonna be

1058
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: a blast.

1059
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: And maybe that's why Grant didn't go maybe to the East,

1060
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: maybe went to the East West Rne and you're like, look,

1061
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be the big dog here.

1062
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: Throw people around and be the biggest guy in a

1063
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: smaller pond.

1064
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. But anyways, let's get to a break. He's Matt Williamson.

1065
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here

1066
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and I'll be back

1067
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: with hour number two right after this.