1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: So we alsold the images out of Philadelphia when young 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: people looted and ran stacked Ohahua store in the city's 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: northeast side, including outside of the parking lot, with large 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: groups engaging and fighting with each other, just complete lawlessness. 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: In the city of Philadelphia. At least twenty people were 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: shot four deaths over the weekend. Chicago, almost forty people 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: were shot this weekend. This last weekend, seven were killed. 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: So what's happening in America cities? How has it gotten 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: this bad? And how did we arrive at this place 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: where somehow criminals are the victims. People put up statues 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: of George Floyd, a guy who put a gun to 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: a woman's stomach as him and his friends robbed her 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: in her house. Kamala Harris, our own vice president, told 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Jacob Blake, who had showed up at a woman's house 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: to re victimize her in Wisconsin then pulled the knife 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: on police officers. Kamala Harris told him that she's proud 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: of him. So how did we get to this place 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: where criminals are somehow the victims and in the instance 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: of George Floyd, we're actually lionizing them. And how responsible 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: is someone like George Soros and getting these d A 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: s elected. We're gonna ask all these questions to Heather 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: McDonald that you know her. She wrote that book with 23 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: the War on Cops. It's an incredible book. She's an 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: author of seven, several books in fact, always smart, always sistaining. 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: She's also a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: contributing editor of the Institute's City Journal. So we're gonna 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: ask her about all these things. And this is obviously 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: becoming a big issue heading into the midterm elections as well. 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: So how is that going to play out? So all 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: these questions to Heather McDonald, you're gonna want to listen 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: to this. She's always great, always smart, always insightful. Here 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: she has Heather McDonald's Heather, I talked to you. I 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: think it might have been maybe a year ago about 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: some of these issues. But it doesn't seem to be 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: letting up. This crime sweeping America. You know. Senator Ted 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: Cruz just tweeted talking about violent crime levels and Democrat 37 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: runs cities like Baltimore, l A, Philly, d C. New 38 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: York all on track to beat their two thousand one 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: violent crime levels. You know, violent crime up in cities 40 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: like New York. I think forty from last year is 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: what he tweeted. How bad is it right now in 42 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: American cities? Well, it's very bad. It's particularly bad depending 43 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: on where you live. The fact remains, Lee says. It 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: always has been the case that the vast majority of 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: violent street crime is committed in minority neighborhoods against minority victims, 46 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: committed by minority perpetrators. But since the George Floyd riots, 47 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: not only has UH the homicide and drive by shooting 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: rates in those inner city neighborhoods just gone up massively, 49 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: but it is also spreading into safer neighborhood We saw 50 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: last year places like Chicago that established police presence at 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: designated hours at gas stations in the suburbs because people 52 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: were getting car jacks. You could go and fill your 53 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: tank when despite the high prices, you get ripped off 54 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: that way, but at least your car wouldn't be stolen. Uh. 55 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: And people are getting robbed on in restaurants, you know, 56 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: their their their watches are being stolen. And there's also 57 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: just an appalling level of gratuitous violence that the knockout 58 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: game has been resurrected where where inner city youth are 59 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: coming up and just bashing people on the back of 60 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: their heads. Uh. The anti Asian violence is particularly egregious. 61 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: The mainstream media and the Biden administration have a phony 62 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: narrative that this is all white supremacy. Uh. If you've 63 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: seen any of the videos of these anti Asian hate 64 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: hate attacks, they're almost exclusively committed by blacks. Uh. So, 65 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: so you have a rapid disintegration of social norms and 66 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: the rightful expectation of safety that all Americans deserve to 67 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: bring when they go outside. You know, you look at 68 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these cities, like, for instance, I used 69 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: to live in the West Village in New York. It 70 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: was a pretty safe city, right, So crime seemed even 71 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: more specific to certain neighborhoods. If you avoid those neighborhoods, 72 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: you're largely okay. As you just mentioned, a lot of 73 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: these cities like New York, Chicago, it's seeping out into 74 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: the suburbs, is expanding. Why why do you think that's 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: happening just because we've given such a green light to criminals. 76 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: Why not? You know, you can you can expand your 77 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: range of victims. Uh. And there's just a sense of 78 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: entitlements these, you know, I would say, I go back 79 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: and forth in my mind over this, Lisa, which is 80 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: worse the mass looting, the mass retail theft, or the 81 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: or the physical violence and in it are Arguably it's 82 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: the mass looting that is even more disturbing as to 83 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: what's happening in our society because the one of the 84 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: primary missions of government is to protect property. Not because 85 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, we're greedy or or you know, fiendishly averages 86 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: are capitalistic. It's because property is what human beings create 87 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: when they go about the miracle of trade and commerce. 88 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: And if you can't secure property, if the government cannot 89 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: secure property, it has no legitimacy left. And and that 90 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: is now absolutely pervasive. Here in New York. You can't 91 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: buy a tube of toothpaste. The toothpaste is locked up. 92 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: The criminals aren't. The most trivial items of daily youth truth. Toothpaste, 93 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: shaving cream, lotion are all locked up behind plexiglass barriers 94 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: because the shoplifting problem is so great and stores would 95 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: rather this, you know, make make it very difficult for customers. 96 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: If not closed down entirely, then a cost shoplifters and 97 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: be inevitably accused of racism. Do we have any idea 98 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: what the net economic impact of all this is? You know, 99 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: we look at places, you know, companies like Starbucks announcing 100 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: its closing sixteen locations, and some of these major cities 101 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: like DC, Seattle, Los Angeles, Philly. The list goes on. 102 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: McDonald's chief executive officer recently, you know, warned about crime 103 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: gripping Chicago at being an issue for his company. We've 104 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: seen companies or financial groups like Citadel heading out, heading 105 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: to Miami leaving Chicago. Do we have any idea what 106 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: the economic impact has been on some of these cities 107 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: because of crime and not being able to get it 108 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: under control. Well, it certainly is in the hundreds of 109 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: millions of dollars, I would think. And it's of course 110 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: the business owners that suffered the most that lose customers 111 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: when people go online. You know, why why go to 112 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: Dwayne Read or Walgreens and have to wait for somebody 113 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: to come and unlocked your toothpaste if you can just 114 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: buy online. You've got a white flight going on like 115 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: crazy from cities where all these progressive liberals won't talk 116 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: about crime because they think it's racist to do so, 117 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: but they're voting with their feet. Uh. So you have 118 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: a redistribution, but it's it's really hurting uh inner city corps. 119 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: And we saw the reverse happen in New York City 120 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: in the in the under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, where he 121 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: threw proactive constitutional color blind policing brought crime down, and 122 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: it continued to go down until we had married to 123 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: Blasio and the George Floyd rights to be ultimately crimed up. 124 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: The economic power of that was massive. The tourism industry 125 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: came back, restaurants you know, started up all over the city. Uh. 126 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: And so you can just put that in in reverse 127 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: gear and understand how it affects things where people are 128 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: worried about staying out light late and taking the subway home. 129 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: You know, you're not going to go to that late 130 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: night show. If you're worried about that, You're not gonna 131 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: stay around at a restaurant or go out to a restaurant. Uh. 132 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 1: If you if you don't want to pay cab fare 133 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: and and fear that the subway you're gonna get bashed 134 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: or pushed into the into the tracks. I wouldn't take 135 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: the subway in New York. I lived there for three years. 136 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: I used to take the subway every single day to 137 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: work to Fox or not every day, but most days 138 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: to the Fox headquarters in Midtown. I took it every 139 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: single day. I never really worried about it. Mean, I 140 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't take it super late at night. I wouldn't take 141 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: it if I had been, you know, drinking at all 142 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: with friends. But I always felt safe. I wouldn't take 143 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: it now. And that seems to be the sentiment of 144 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: most of the people I talked about I talked to 145 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: in the city. Absolutely. I just got back to New 146 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: York from California, and I'm really, I'm really making that calculation. 147 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: It's so much easier to use than surface streets. But 148 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: there's just been such a regular string of a violent 149 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: crime in the subway ways, and you just think, is 150 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: it Is it worth it? And and this was another 151 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: sign of the rebirth of New York. And I could 152 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: get out at my local subway stop on the Lexington 153 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: Line at at eleven PM and there'd be people pouring 154 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: out because they felt safe about staying late at work 155 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: or work going out for drinks. That's not happening now. 156 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: I can guarantee you well, and you got to this earlier. 157 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: But we're in this weird time where the left almost 158 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: sees criminals as if they're the victims. Yeah, we've put 159 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: up statues of George Floyd. You know, Kamala Harris told 160 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: Jacob Blake, who showed up at a woman's house to 161 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: re victimize her pulled a knife on police, that she 162 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: was proud of him. How do how do we arrive 163 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: at this place where not only are criminals somehow the victims, 164 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: but in the instance of George Floyd, were lionizing them. Well, 165 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to broach a very difficult topical, Lisa, which 166 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: is race. And it's something that well meaning Americans just 167 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about. You know, we're the opposite 168 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: of white supremacists. Uh we we don't want to say 169 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: the obvious. It's because the vast majority of violent street 170 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: criminals are black into a lesser stent Hispanics and well 171 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: meaning Americans turn their eyes away from that reality, and 172 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: we are unwinding law enforcement in the name of avoiding 173 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: so called disparate impact, which is the fact that if 174 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: you police in a color blind neutral fashion, you will 175 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: have a negative disparate impact on black criminals because their 176 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: rates of crime among blacks is so much higher. For example, 177 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: in New York City, blacks are the population, but they 178 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: commit about three quarters of all drive by shootings. If 179 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: you add Hispanic drive by shootings to that, you account 180 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: for virtually all drive by shootings in the city. All 181 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: whites are not committing drive by shootings. That is the 182 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: reality in every single American city. And so we've decided 183 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: that rather enforced the law. If if if arresting those 184 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: retail all theft vandals, the people that are walking into 185 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: stores with with trash bags and just filling them out 186 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: and filling them up and strolling out, uh, that will 187 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: result in disparate arrest of minority shoplifters. We've decided we'd 188 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: rather not enforced the law. We'd rather not increase so 189 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: called mass incarceration of blacks, which is not mass. It 190 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: is incarceration, It is not mass, It is not disproportionate 191 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: to the crime rate in our country. Nobody wants to 192 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: acknowledge that. Uh. And so if there were not racial 193 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: disparities and incarceration in police saying, we would not be 194 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: unwinding the law system. We would say, block them up 195 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: and throw away the key. But it's because of our 196 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: understandable guilt about racism in the past in this country 197 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: that we are turning our eyes away from what's happening 198 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: now in the streets and and the irony, Lisa, you know, 199 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: the AFT the mainstream media, the New York Times just 200 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: routinely put scare quotes around the crime. You know, they say, 201 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: all these conservatives they're talking about crime, you know, little 202 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: little air quotes being being ironizing the topic, as if 203 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: this is all just a figment of the racist conservative imagination. 204 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: When they dismiss this current crime increase, which is what 205 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: they're doing. What they're saying is to us, black lives 206 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: don't matter. We were not gonna we're not going to 207 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: acknowledge that there's this massive homicide increase because we're we 208 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: to do so, we'd have to acknowledge black on black crime. 209 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: So they're basically saying, don't pay attention to it, it 210 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Well, it does matter because there are thousands 211 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: upon thousands of hard working, law abiding residents of inner 212 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: city neighborhoods who deserve police protection, who are terrified to 213 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: go out, especial stually the elderly, and we're turning our 214 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: backs on them too. Well, that's also I mean, if 215 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: you look at who the victims are, aren't they predominantly 216 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: minorities and a lot of these cities, yes, absolutely, So 217 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: it's like you think they would care about them, you know. 218 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying for for 219 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: for the media, for the New York Times to to 220 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: scoff at the idea that crime has gone up and 221 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: to say, oh, this is just some sort of conservative 222 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: talking point. They are essentially saying black victims don't matter, 223 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: that we don't think there's a crime increase. To to 224 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: to deny the crime increase means denying that thousands more 225 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: blacks died in homicide were killed by homicide in two 226 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: thousand and even more. You can't have it both ways. 227 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: You can't say black lives matter and then say we're 228 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: not going to be concerned about this crime increase. Click 229 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: commercial break more with Heather McDonald. On the other side, 230 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: how responsible is George Soros and getting some of these 231 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: das elected for the increase in crime in America cities? Well, 232 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: I think he's very responsible for getting these these progressive 233 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: das elected who are saying they're not going to enforce 234 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: a whole host of laws because those laws have a 235 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: disparate impact on black Again, Lisa, I can't stress enough 236 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: the the ruling principle in our world today is avoiding 237 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: disparate impact. That's everything that you see that's going on 238 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: in the criminal justice system today, it is driven by 239 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: disparate impact. Soros has put these guys in, uh you know, 240 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: they're saying, we're not gonna we're not gonna prosecute churnstyle 241 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: jumping in the subway systems because that has a disperate 242 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: impact on blacks. We're not gonna uh prosecute theft larceny 243 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: because that has a disperate impact on blacks. They're even 244 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: not prosecuting resisting arrest, which is the natire of civilization. 245 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: If you're not going to punish people who disobey cops, 246 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: then there is no more civilization. So that's a very 247 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: big factor of the lack of prosecution so that there's 248 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: no criminal consequences. But I would say responsibility also rests 249 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: with Joe Biden and the rest of the democratic establishments. 250 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: Biden is still harping on his racism and white supremacy 251 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: defines this country. Theme Uh. He is. For maybe the 252 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: less couple of months, he has not been as explicit 253 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: about saying, uh criminal justice system is racist. But that's 254 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: been a constant refrain, both as a candidate for president 255 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: uh and and since the day he took office and 256 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: ever since. He keeps bashing the cops as racist. And 257 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: and when they hear that, if they're being told that 258 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: they're racist for going into minority neighborhoods and making stops 259 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: of of known gang bangers, not surprisingly cops are gonna 260 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: do less of it because policing is political, and they're 261 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: getting the political message that this is not what's wanted 262 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: in society. So the cops have backed off, and that's 263 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: allowed again the criminals become emboldened well. And also just 264 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: not having enough police officers and a lot of these cities, right, 265 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I was reading in you know, Chicago, something 266 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: like nine hundred officers had left the Chicago Police Department 267 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: between January and October of one while only fifty one 268 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: joy And and you know, I know we talked about 269 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: this the last time You're on about this issue arising 270 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: and so many of the city, So how big of 271 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: an impact is that happening of police officers just being 272 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: like to your point of after, you know, just getting 273 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: beaten up so badly being like, you know what, I'm out, 274 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: Like I don't need this. I'm gonna go into a 275 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: different career field or move to a safer city, like 276 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm out. Oh, it's huge. Minneapolis is down a third 277 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: since George Floyd Race riots. Um, and you know the 278 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: burning down of the of the third precinct in Minneapolis. Uh, 279 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: there is a total recruiting crisis in this country. You know, 280 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: everybody's trying to poach everybody else. But I don't know 281 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: a single police department that isn't facing the difficulty of 282 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: trying to replace the officers who have took off and 283 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: and they just can't do it. Uh. You know that 284 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 1: you can offer larger salaries all you want, but if 285 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: people are getting excrement thrown at them, Uh, you know, 286 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: when they try and make an arrest or rocks and 287 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: bottles and people cursing at them, that's not really a 288 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: profession of choice that anybody would go into. Who has 289 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: a choice. Well, and it looks like the left isn't 290 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: slowing down with some of this stuff. I mean, the 291 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: state of Illinois's has a law going into effect I 292 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: believe in two thousand, twenty three January one two three, 293 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: ending cash bail in the state. And it's ironically named 294 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: the Safety Act, which is clearly not uh, and what 295 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: it's being called is the Purge Act. You know, what 296 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: kind of impact do you think that is going to 297 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: have when Illinois specifically looking at you know, the Chicago 298 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: area is already just with crime and murder. Yeah, well, Uh, 299 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: the Illinois legislature is a real problem. Uh. It used 300 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: to be Rama Manuel in his his police chief used 301 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: to say, we need stronger gun laws here to prosecute 302 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: illegal gun possession and use of guns in in crimes, 303 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: and we need longer sentences. And the Illinois legislature in 304 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: Springfield would inevitably block that in the name of disparate impact. 305 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: Because if you prosecute gun criminals at a higher rate, 306 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: you're going to have a disparate impact on blacks. Blacks 307 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: in Chicago, or a little under third of the population, 308 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: they commit about eighty percent of all murders and drive 309 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: by shootings. If judges and prosecutors have no mechanism for 310 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: holding people who have a very high, high likelihood of 311 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: um committing another crime while awaiting trial that that does 312 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: add to the criminal burden. Quick break more on the 313 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: crime problem. At what point do people wake up politically? 314 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: You know, you do look at this race between the 315 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: Attorney to General Tis James against Republican challenger Michael Henry. 316 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like he's potentially in the margin 317 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: of error. I think it looks like or you know, 318 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: you've got Lee Zelden running against Governor HOCl Yeah. At 319 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: what point do people wake up politically and realize that 320 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: they're just gonna keep getting this if they elect some 321 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: of these liberals in these cities and givenatorial races. Lisa, 322 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: I defer to you on that one. I am just astounded. 323 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: I am utterly astounded that there continue to be races 324 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: where the left winds. Whether it's in in Venice Beach, 325 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: in in Los Angeles, or the failure of the recall 326 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: of George Gascon, I do not know. And it seems 327 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: to be that the left will just define deviance down 328 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: and define its own tolerance down in order not to 329 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: have to face the fact that their philosophy has been 330 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: a total failure. And so they'll just say, well, okay, 331 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: so there's another you know, twenty vagrants on my street 332 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: shooting up drugs in front of my children. That's just 333 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: what it is means to live in a city today. 334 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: Heaven forbid. I say that the police actually should move 335 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: people on, that they should not allow this, that the 336 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: law abiding residents deserve to be the primary focus of 337 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: public policy, not the deviant, not the anti social. And 338 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: yet I see again and again, Uh, people still willing 339 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: to put up with this. So we'll see. I mean, 340 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: I frankly, I hate to jinx the racer or be negative, 341 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: but in in Los Angeles, Rick Caruso should be a 342 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: shoe in as mayor. He's a got an extraordinary record 343 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: as a uh developer of of shopping malls. He's got 344 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: an exquisite sense of taste and design. And yet uh, 345 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: the career politician Karen Bass is out polling him there 346 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: and and Los Angeles looks like hell at this point. 347 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: If they don't, if if people continue to tolerate this, 348 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: I I just I shake my head because you would 349 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: think that at some point self interest takes over the 350 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: preening sense that oh, I'm being so virtuous by allowing 351 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: people to decompensate on the streets, and uh, rob everybody 352 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: else blind one of you know, you've got John Fetterman 353 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: running for SENNA in Pennsylvania who's previously called for mass 354 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: release a prisoner, specifically one third of the statewide criminal population. 355 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's it's sort of boggles the mind. 356 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: But I think what's really sad to me is just 357 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: I just don't understand how we got to a place 358 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: where we're so desensitized to the loss of life. Like 359 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: one of my really really good friends, Gianno Caldwell lost 360 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: his little brother eighteen in Chicago. Look at over the 361 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: week as his little brother was only eighteen years old. 362 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at even just over the weekend, 363 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: there's forty people shot, seven killed in one week. It's like, 364 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: how did we arrive as at a place in society 365 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: where we're just so desensitized to the loss of human life. Well, Lisa, 366 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: it's it's because the left actually is racist. The people 367 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: that are being shot every weekend in Chicago, in Minneapolis 368 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: and Baton Rouge in New Orleans are overwhelmingly black. You know, 369 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: you it is spreading, It is spreading, and at some 370 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: point black kids are gonna, i mean white kids rather 371 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: going to start getting gunned down. But basically, uh, the 372 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: politicians and democratic politicians turn their eyes away from this 373 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: black on black slaughter. It is amazing. The only people 374 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: talking about it are white conservatives. It's it's remarkable that's 375 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: the only people talking about it. We're the ones that 376 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: are supposed to be the white supremacists. No excuse me, 377 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: you people who are who are pretending this is not happening. 378 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: You are turning your backs on black victims. What steps 379 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: should these cities take to reclaim their city? You know, 380 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: what what steps should these leaders take to you know, 381 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: rid their cities of this crime and this violent crime 382 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: that we're saying, what do you think the most important 383 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: steps would be the most important step is to say 384 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: to the police, we expect you to go where the 385 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: crime is. We expect you to use your your legitimate 386 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: power in a constitutional matter, in a color blind manner. 387 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: But if you generate disparate stop and arrest statistics, which 388 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: you will, if you are fighting crime where it is happening, 389 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: we will not come after you and accuse you of racism. 390 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: We know that you cannot police it's constitutionally in this 391 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: country without having a disparate impact on blacks. And that 392 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: is because you're trying to save black lives. Officers have 393 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: to believe that they're not going to be attacked. UH. 394 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: We have to support them when they're forced to use 395 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: uh lethal force because somebody is resisting arrest and and 396 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: putting them in the fear of their lives. Uh And 397 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: and so we know how to do this. This is 398 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: how you fight crime. There's three things you do. You arrest, 399 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: you prosecute, and you incarcerate. We are not doing any 400 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: of them, and it's no surprise that crime is going up. UH. 401 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: Incarceration is not an end in itself. It's not ideal. 402 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: We all wish we didn't have to do it. But 403 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: the alternatives that the left cause it's all the time 404 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: of well, we're just going to do more welfare services 405 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: and do diversion and keep people in the community. Those 406 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: programs don't work. They have not worked since the sixties 407 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: and seventies when we tried them, and they're not working now. 408 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: It is very hard to rewire somebody who has spent 409 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: the first twenty years of his life in a dysfunctional 410 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: home with single mother, series of boyfriends going through the house. 411 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: If we knew how to do it, it would be great. 412 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: It would be great if we could empty the prisons, 413 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: but we we haven't figured out how to do that yet. 414 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: And so now you don't get a second chance, You 415 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: don't get a benefit of the doubt. We are we 416 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: should start giving the benefit of the doubt to the 417 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: law abiding, to those who respect everybody else's property, not 418 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,239 Speaker 1: to those who violated. Well, I think we really need 419 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: to have a revival of the family and the importance 420 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: of you know, encouraging families, encouraging both parents to stick 421 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 1: around and be there for their kids and you know, 422 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: to to raise good kids. Were Republicans wrong to embrace 423 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: criminal justice reform? They were wrong to have embraced the 424 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: rationale in which it was done. They were very wrong 425 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: to for Trump to say, oh, yeah, this is racist. 426 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: The reason that Alice, whatever her name was, is in 427 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: prison was because the criminal justice system was racist. No, 428 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was the Black Cock Congressional Black Caucus 429 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: that said, we need higher penalties for crack cocaine because 430 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: crack cocaine is the worst oppression that this this UH 431 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: community has experienced in slavery. Uh, you know, can we 432 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: can we fiddle with with penalties here? And they're sure, 433 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm willing to do that. But what But when you 434 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: say that you're doing it in the name of fighting racism, 435 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: that's where things get very bad, because that then becomes 436 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: the excuse for unwinding everything else. Is there anything else 437 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: you'd like to leave us with before we go, Heather, vote? Yeah, 438 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: I mean, do not think that that the country can 439 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: be saved under the present political leadership. And uh, you 440 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: have to if you have a close race in your 441 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: in your jurisdiction, you have to vote. If it's not 442 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: a close race either way, you know, if if Republicans 443 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: look likely to win, vote if they don't vote anyway, Like, 444 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: just get the bodies out there. This thing can be 445 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: turned around. Giuliani did it. It's not rocket science. The 446 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: question is do we have the will to do so? 447 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: I think that's the question. And hopefully people heed your 448 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: your warning and your words and and get out and 449 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: vote in November and encourage their friends and family to 450 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: do the same. There's a lot on the line this November. 451 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: Heather McDonald, thanks so much for joining the show. Always insightful, 452 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: uh and always honest. I appreciate you taking the time. 453 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Lisa I appreciate talking to you. 454 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: Thank you. So that was Heather McDonald, the interesting conversation. 455 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: She's great. I've had her on before. She's so smart. 456 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: All her columns are smart. She's written a ton of 457 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: books as well, which are obviously all really well done 458 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: and including The War on Cops. So appreciate her time. 459 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys listening every Monday and Thursday. 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