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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Alex Murdog. Yes he's been tried.

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Speaker 1: He snodded a lot on the stand. He was convicted.

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Speaker 1: He was given a chance to throw himself at the

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Speaker 1: he's caused. He didn't have to say I did it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I killed him. He could have just said

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Speaker 1: He lied right in the judge's face again and went,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I said, that's pretty much all I have

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Speaker 1: Alex Murdog right now. I took a stroll the night

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Speaker 1: of the sentencing and wait, no, it's a knight of

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Speaker 1: was I don't know, maybe half a mile as the

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Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to get out of that parking lot.

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Speaker 1: There were huge shame ling fantas, as there should be,

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Speaker 1: but just imagining him and there where he is supposed

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Speaker 1: I have these visions dancing through my head of a

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Speaker 1: your and Vander salute in his Peruthian jail, who has

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Speaker 1: gotten married and gotten a woman. His wife now pregnant

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Speaker 1: with at least one child. They get drugs, alcohol, whatever

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Speaker 1: they want there What is his life going to be like?

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Speaker 1: But don't worry. Hartpootlan aka poo his defense attorney, and

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Speaker 1: the entire team is working right now to guess what

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Speaker 1: get Murdoch out from behind bars? I mean, you see, Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thanks for being with us, with

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Speaker 1: me a high profile lawyer, very familiar with the case

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Speaker 1: practice this mostly out of Charleston, South Carolina. Mark Pepper

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Speaker 1: is joining us from the Pepper Law Firm and you

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Speaker 1: can find him at Pepper Law Firm dot com also

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Pepper Law Firm. Mark, thanks for being

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Speaker 1: with us. Always a pleasure. Appreciate you having me. You

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Speaker 1: know what you said that so easily just tripped off

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Speaker 1: your tongue when you know I'm going to disagree with

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Speaker 1: every single thing you say, but that's said. I can't

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Speaker 1: claim you're not a good lawyer, because you are. You

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Speaker 1: just see, we prosecutors don't want to see coming up

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Speaker 1: the hallway of the courthouse. I like to see the hacks,

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Speaker 1: you know that just want to get a cheap plea

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Speaker 1: Mark pepper Um. And you know what, that's what we do.

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Speaker 1: That's what we do. We make each other work hard,

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Speaker 1: and that makes the system. Isn't that the truth? Isn't

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Speaker 1: lot about about this case, and before I get into

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Speaker 1: where is Alex Martin like at this precise moment, and

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Speaker 1: what is happening to him and where is he headed

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Speaker 1: and what's going to happen with his appeal? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's very rare that a leopard changes its spots. But

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Speaker 1: there was a chance for him at sentencing. The judge really,

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Speaker 1: you know, he led the horse to water. He really

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Speaker 1: as practices all over. Everybody has a favorite judge, and

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Speaker 1: was Luther Alverson. Judge Alverson, I practiced in his courtroom

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Speaker 1: Reception and evaluation. Reception. That sounds to me like you're

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Speaker 1: in this case, all the financial crimes, all the lies

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Speaker 1: that he told to Chris Wilson, to his law partners. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you can't. That doesn't come into evidence unless unless the

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Speaker 1: defendant brings it in himself, which that didn't he did, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: it happened during the defensive chief in case you're you're right.

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Speaker 1: But but prior to that they were using it as motives. Okay,

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Speaker 1: technically that doesn't come in, which could be reversible error.

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Speaker 1: But once the defendant takes the stand, it would have

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Speaker 1: come in through the defendant. Right. So that's where everybody

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Speaker 1: that thinks, oh, it's coming back on appeal, the judge

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Speaker 1: made an error and it would have made a difference.

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Speaker 1: That that's where I disagree, and that once he takes

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Speaker 1: the stand. Of those cases that get overturned, only one

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Speaker 1: percent get overturned when the defendant takes a stand, So

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Speaker 1: you've got one percent. Jam Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: You say he took the stand and the four oh,

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Speaker 1: let me just say that four. I want to refer

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Speaker 1: to it as prior bad act evidence for people that haven't.

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Speaker 1: Why do you say necessarily would have come in once

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Speaker 1: he takes a stand. Well, if you remember his direct examination,

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Speaker 1: his direct examination opened the door to all of the

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Speaker 1: financial crimes. In other words, mister Griffin started it with

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Speaker 1: you're a liar, aren't you? Yes, I did lie. Did

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Speaker 1: you lie to Sled? Yes? Why did you lie to Sled?

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Speaker 1: And then he came up with some bs answer about

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Speaker 1: being paranoid or whatever. Right he had the boat issue,

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Speaker 1: he had the boating. He had the boat issue right,

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Speaker 1: and it's nine one one called right. So they would

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Speaker 1: have addressed that through directed examination, which means on cross

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Speaker 1: it all would have come in. Speaking of the boat issue,

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Speaker 1: sounds like Murdos got a trial date set for the

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Speaker 1: death of the teen girl Mallory Beach killed in the

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Speaker 1: boating accident that happened in twenty nineteen, is set to

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Speaker 1: go forward August fourteen, Right, But at this point who cares?

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Speaker 1: Not that I don't care about Malory Beach, but I

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Speaker 1: mean on Alex Murdoch's team, they're like, hey, I'm behind

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Speaker 1: VARs for two life sentences. I don't care about the

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Speaker 1: Malory Beach wrongful death, but it does matter because I

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Speaker 1: believe that the appellate judges, while they're not supposed to

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Speaker 1: look at that, they are going to look at all

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Speaker 1: the evidence that comes out in that case. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Murdoch's team may go who cares, but I would be

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Speaker 1: concerned about the appellate court hearing about it. And not

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Speaker 1: only that, what about any money left for Buster Murdog.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is any. I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: he's got he had some. I guess there was five

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Speaker 1: under grand on his mom's side, Yeah, and the receivership.

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Speaker 1: But I mean that there's so much litigation going on,

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Speaker 1: Nancy with regards to those estates and finances, law and

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Speaker 1: the lawyer. The lawyers are getting paid. But as much

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Speaker 1: as I hate to say this for the Beach family,

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Speaker 1: because Lord knows they deserve all the money in the

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Speaker 1: world they can get, I don't know there's going to

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Speaker 1: be enough to go around or nowhere near enough ever

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Speaker 1: is there to provide justice in the wrongal death case.

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Speaker 1: But you know, all this money is just being tied

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Speaker 1: up with receivers and the state attorneys. Buster may be

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Speaker 1: entitled to a little bit, but at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, he's worthless in more ways than one. But

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Speaker 1: he's certainly worthless financially. You know, even though the Murdog

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Speaker 1: defense team may be going, who cares about the Malory

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Speaker 1: Beach civil trial. I also think it's incredibly important for

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Speaker 1: the people involved in that case to see it go forward.

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Speaker 1: Age So their voices are heard too agree. It's just,

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Speaker 1: you know, all this time, I think Mallory Beach's family

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Speaker 1: have been on pins and needles waiting for Marlock to

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Speaker 1: be convicted. And I can't imagine how that feels because

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Speaker 1: now that's over. Now they really have to confront the

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Speaker 1: fact that she's gone. The court battles are nearing an end,

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Speaker 1: and now they're left without life, without their daughter. I

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Speaker 1: hadn't even say that because I immediately think of my

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Speaker 1: daughter and my son, and I mean, that's you know,

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Speaker 1: my reason for living is them. I could agree more

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Speaker 1: to help them, could not agree more, and they don't

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Speaker 1: have that. No, it's going to be another long year

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Speaker 1: for the Beach family. I think these financial crimes will

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Speaker 1: come for trial soon as well. Now having the world,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's already played guilty to them essentially by

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Speaker 1: taking the stand. You know, if he was a man

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Speaker 1: just to own up to everything at this point, which

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Speaker 1: he's not. Well, that's so that's what was full thinking.

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Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. You know, I'm just anxious

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Speaker 1: to see what's going to happen on appeal. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that his new appellate team whenever they come in, is

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Speaker 1: going to claim ineffective assistance of counsel. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how they're going to do that, but they are. They're

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Speaker 1: going to argue about venue, They're going to argue about

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Speaker 1: the jury. They're going to argue about the prior bat

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Speaker 1: act of its coming in. They've got a whole plathora

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Speaker 1: of things they're going to argue. Are they going to

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Speaker 1: be successful? You know, the likelihood of somebody getting a

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Speaker 1: reversal and appeal once they take the stand is incredibly low,

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Speaker 1: just statistically. Okay, you heard it from the horse's mouth.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing Mark Pepper, high profile attorney rumored to be

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Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney, the Pepper Law Law Firm at

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Speaker 1: Pepper Lawfirm dot com. Mark Pepper, thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us during the trial. And now the Alex and Murdog

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Speaker 1: story goes on. Goodbye friend,