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Speaker 1: for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go. It's

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Speaker 1: hour two. It's a Monday. The first hour flew by.

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Speaker 1: If you missed it, I said nice stuff about Brock Purty,

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Speaker 1: so you know we were taking swings here in the

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Speaker 1: Herd on a Monday. Matt Hasselbeck is around the corner.

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Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins Today, tonight's Bears Vikings. We're going to get

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Speaker 1: into that last hour. I like Minnesota tonight without further ado.

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Speaker 1: We do it every week at this time. Colin right,

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Speaker 1: Colin wrong?

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right?

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Speaker 1: Well, the Kansas City Chiefs regression is clear. I had

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Speaker 1: said last week I'd take the Chargers. The O line issues,

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Speaker 1: the run game, where is it? The wide receiver corps

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Speaker 1: was thin going into the game. They couldn't get out

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Speaker 1: of their own way. Literally, they're the only winless team

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Speaker 1: in their division. I thought Mahomes was amazing. But when

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Speaker 1: it's thin. And I said, you can't keep winning every

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Speaker 1: one score game, even if you have Andy Reid and

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert against Steve Spagnola did whatever

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Speaker 2: Receiving corps where Colin was raw.

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Speaker 1: Listen, he's a statue at this point and got sacked

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Speaker 1: four times. But I thought Aaron Rodgers was really strong

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Speaker 1: am here for leadership and distribution and elevating others, so

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Speaker 1: he knows what he is. Seven of nine in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter with a couple of touchdowns, and he took shots.

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Speaker 1: He took a shot Joe Burrow and him took shots

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Speaker 1: this weekend of nine, two touchdowns. And again I don't

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Speaker 1: love Pittsburgh's offensive line. They don't they don't run the

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Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn's defense, I thought it was impressive where Colin

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Speaker 1: Fame game, Detroit does not look right. You can't replace

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Speaker 1: just be the same. It's not the same two point

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Speaker 1: Their passing game coordinator left to the Jets, and Justin

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Speaker 1: some things even in the preseason. The Lions will not

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Speaker 1: be as well coached a football team where Colin was robbed.

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Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys lost, but I thought Brian Schottenheimer had

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Speaker 2: I was wrong where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Well, college football's bumpy for Bill Belichick. He won't let

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Speaker 1: keeps alienating himself from the NFL. Bill Bill's old school.

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Speaker 1: When you watch those two teams play, Colts had way

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield has himself today as a rookie Game one,

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Speaker 1: a star. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, Well,

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Speaker 1: he engineered six playoff appearances with the Seahawks. Matt Hasselbeck

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could add my favorite part of this show

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Speaker 3: I love I love when you double down when you

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and I was wrong plenty. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get Let's just get to last night. And I

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Speaker 2: I think there's some guys that are just built different.

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Speaker 2: And that's why it was such a great game to watch.

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Speaker 1: that was easily the best I've seen justin fields play.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to impress your old flame kind of a game.

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Speaker 3: Like the both quarterbacks were like, man, I got to

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Speaker 2: I thought justin Fields was I think he was good,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers once was great with his seat and moving

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Speaker 1: Finally, if I suggested to you that the Raiders are

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Speaker 1: It's hard, Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll. I don't overreact, Matt.

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Speaker 3: I'm impressed with Pete Carroll, the oldest head coach ever.

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Speaker 3: Talked about culture and identity and how we talk in

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Speaker 3: This is a game that meant a lot to them,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a long season, but this was a

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck, What a fun weekend we had Bears Vikings tonight.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going to get in that

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Speaker 3: You know exactly what you're gonna get tonight, you know exactly.

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Speaker 1: To keep your eye on Brian Flores and Caleb Williams

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Speaker 2: They were fine. The Patriots looked inferior.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna ask you about one guy we

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Speaker 1: I'll ask yourself this next week at half Giants trail

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Speaker 2: What about Thursday at practice?

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Speaker 4: But Colin, it's starting to look like it just keeps up.

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Speaker 4: He ain't last in the season. Oh no way, I

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Speaker 1: Here we go, Hour two. It is a Tuesday, we

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Speaker 1: are live. It's the herd wherever you may be and

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Speaker 1: however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part

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Speaker 1: of your day. A lot of choices out there, Nick Wright.

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Speaker 1: In five minutes, it was a wild Sunday night, Bill's Ravens,

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Speaker 1: A wild and unexpected Monday night where JJ McCarthy pivoted

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Speaker 1: from terrified to terrific over the course of a quarter.

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Speaker 1: Very surprising, J Mack. But I thought this weekend told

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Speaker 1: us one thing. Coaching matters when you look at the

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Speaker 1: regression of the Lions, when you look at the improvement

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Speaker 1: in a quarter by JJ McCarthy. So, I mean we've

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Speaker 1: always known coaching matters. Coordinating matters almost as much, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes with a quarterback even more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Heard hierarchy, our first in season. Heard hierarchy. Heard hierarchy.

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Speaker 1: Now go the top ten NFL teams according to college

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Speaker 1: number ten.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put the Vikings in.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to look more like the fourth

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Speaker 1: quarter than the first three. With JJ McCarthy's growth and

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Speaker 1: confidence Listen Kevin O'Connell was head coach of the Year

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. GM and Kevin got extensions flores,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best defensive coordinator Listen. That start

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Speaker 1: on Monday was the first competitive football JJ McCarthy had

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Speaker 1: played in six hundred days. It took a couple of

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Speaker 1: quarters to shake the rust off. Christian Darisaw, the great

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Speaker 1: left tackle, is coming back soon. I like their roster,

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Speaker 1: I like them organizationally. I think after Kansas City, there's

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Speaker 1: an argument it's the best coaching staff in the league.

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Speaker 1: I have the Vikings at ten. Number nine Tampa Bay, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. They've won seven of their last eight regular

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Speaker 1: season games, and remember going to a division rival Atlanta

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Speaker 1: is a tough ask. And they didn't have Tristan Wurf's

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Speaker 1: their best offensive lineman. They didn't have wide receiver Chris Godwin,

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Speaker 1: and e Booka is going to be a star as

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Speaker 1: a rookie. So Baker's now only got Mike Evans. Now

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Speaker 1: he's got a sensational rookie again. I think as long

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Speaker 1: as you have Baker and Todd Bowles, the compliment of

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Speaker 1: a confident, high end quarterback and an excellent defensive mind

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Speaker 1: in a pretty weak division, I have the Bucks in

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Speaker 1: my top ten. Here at nine, number eight, the Commanders

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Speaker 1: didn't score a lot, but four hundred and thirty two

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Speaker 1: yards of offense. Debo Samuel we said he's a great

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Speaker 1: chess piece, was used efficiently led the team in receiving

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Speaker 1: yards in his debut. We know Terry mclaurin's going to

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Speaker 1: get better week after week. And no defense allowed fewer

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Speaker 1: points in week one. They spend some money on it.

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Speaker 1: The Giants, there were no crevices to run between the tackles.

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Speaker 1: They were five and one in games decided by three

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Speaker 1: or less, so we know they can be good in

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Speaker 1: close games.

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Speaker 2: I have the Commanders at eight, number seven. The Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Then it gets real tight. Listen.

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Speaker 1: They were zero for seven on third down in the

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Speaker 1: first half against the Chargers. They had a bad first quarter.

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Speaker 1: The receiving room right now, Worthies hurt, Rashi Rit's out

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Speaker 1: for six games. They're still reworking the offensive line. I

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Speaker 1: think they'll be fine. I think they're a playoff team,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna we said going into it. Okay, they'd

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Speaker 1: won seventeen straight one score games. If they could go

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Speaker 1: eight and three this year in one score games, it

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Speaker 1: would be phenomenal. But they're a home dog against the

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Speaker 1: Eagles and should be so they're gonna be fine. They

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Speaker 1: got to get the receiving room right. They looked a

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Speaker 1: little out of sorts early, but after the first quarter

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Speaker 1: they were fine. Chiefs at seven number six and Chargers

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Speaker 1: at six. I do think Justin Herbert Joe Allt played

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Speaker 1: left tackle, was really good, didn't allow any pressures.

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Speaker 2: That was great news.

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Speaker 1: And Jim Harbaugh is also six to zero week one,

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Speaker 1: so this was not an easy game for the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: to go to Brazil. I think the Chargers in seven

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Speaker 1: or eight weeks and the Chiefs in seven or eight

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Speaker 1: weeks if they met again, it's a very close coin

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Speaker 1: flip game. I think these are very even teams. Kansas

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Speaker 1: City's obviously dominated this division, but in the second half,

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert one thing that's worrisome for the Chiefs. He

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Speaker 1: was thirteen to sixteen, and the Chiefs I mean Keenan

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Speaker 1: Allen thirty three, Why is he getting seven catches? I

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Speaker 1: thought there were too many Charger receivers. The weakness of

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Speaker 1: their team open. I have them at six, number five,

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Speaker 1: Rams at five. They got to keep Pokin Nakua healthy

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Speaker 1: and the O line worries me. But they've won six

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Speaker 1: straight regular season games when starters are actually playing, and

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Speaker 1: they've held opponents under ten points in four straight games

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Speaker 1: when the starters are playing. I believe their defensive line

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Speaker 1: and their defense as a whole could be the best

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Speaker 1: in the league right now because a lot of these

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Speaker 1: good teams, like the Bills and the Ravens, they gave

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Speaker 1: up a lot of yards on the back end. They're young,

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Speaker 1: they were the least penalized team. Stafford was the highest

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Speaker 1: redded quarterback in Week one, and I think after Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: there's a strong argument the best coach in the NFL

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Speaker 1: is Sean McVay.

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Speaker 2: I have the Rams at five, number four. Ravens should

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Speaker 2: have won the game.

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Speaker 1: If Derek Henry doesn't fumble their last three drives, they

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Speaker 1: have seventeen total yards. It's a little bit of a problem.

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Speaker 1: Zave Flowers, I thought was outstanding, had his best game

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Speaker 1: as a pro. I love everything about Baltimore outside of

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Speaker 1: the fact that they get these big leads and lose them.

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Speaker 1: And I do think some of this is when you

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Speaker 1: dominate a team for two and a half three quarters,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to convince pro athletes all gas, no breaks

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Speaker 1: here they come. It's not college football. Everybody can play

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Speaker 1: with everybody. Ravens still at four, number three Buffalo and

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Speaker 1: Notcha had at three. What concerns me about Buffalo the

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Speaker 1: back end of their defense. Their offense got five hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen sacked only once. I mean that Buffalo O line.

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Speaker 1: We don't talk a lot about it. Few of sacks

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Speaker 1: allowed last year. They don't allow a lot of pressure,

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Speaker 1: and if they did, Josh Allen can evade it. Now

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Speaker 1: they're gonna face six straight teams with losing records, so

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Speaker 1: they're gonna go on a bit of a role here.

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Speaker 1: But that defense on the back end, it is a problem,

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Speaker 1: and that Sean McDermott got. I mean, Derek Henry broke

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Speaker 1: into the secondary and was running away from secondary members

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Speaker 1: who were smaller and should be faster. So they're gonna

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Speaker 1: lose some games they should win because the back end

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Speaker 1: of that defense. I have him at three, number two

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia seventeen and one since Week five last season. And

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Speaker 1: I know you're saying, how can they how can they

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Speaker 1: be at two? Listen Dallas showed they're a little vulnerable now.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Carter will come back. I don't think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: get suspended. I could be wrong if that just came out.

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown worries me only one target. I sense a

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Speaker 1: little drama, hyper aggressive GM. Howie Roseman made another move today.

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Speaker 1: Trade since the start of August. But I have them too,

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Speaker 1: and number one is number one. I thought the most

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Speaker 1: complete team I saw was Green Bay. Jeff Haffley is

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Speaker 1: a stud as defensive coordinator. Micah only played forty forty

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Speaker 1: five percent of the snaps, already has an impact. I

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Speaker 1: don't see the weakness. Does this team ever miss on

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Speaker 1: tight end and wide receiver and quarterback? Draft picks ever?

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Speaker 1: Everybody can play. And for the record, Jordan Love, you

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Speaker 1: may want to look this up. Jordan Love's last eight

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Speaker 1: regular season games eleven touchdowns, no picks, and a one

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Speaker 1: h nine passer rating. Coaching elite protection, elite run game,

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Speaker 1: elite quarterback, playing elite wide receiver, tight end talent good

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Speaker 1: in getting better and Micah Parsons opens up lanes and

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Speaker 1: space for everybody else. I said, I have a right

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Speaker 1: to overreact. In Week one, Packers blew me away. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen them play that kind of aggressive defense. That

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Speaker 1: was Kansas City, that was Philadelphia defense. They were playing

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Speaker 1: with their chest out there you go, j.

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Speaker 4: Mac am I allowed to take ask where the Jets

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Speaker 4: are because they were so good.

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Speaker 2: I have Seattle at eleven, the same Seattle that lost

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Speaker 2: to the Niners.

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Speaker 1: Jarnold doesn't bump into alignment. They beat San Francisco San

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Speaker 1: Francisco twelve. But remember Seattle is healthier going forward. I

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Speaker 1: have to consider everything. Rock Purty may not play in one.

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Speaker 2: Where the Chiefs there on reputation. Let's be real. No,

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Speaker 2: they did not look good. Mahomes looked unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: That's it one guy. They also have the best staff

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Speaker 1: in the league.

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Speaker 4: Miss Maagnola did not look good. I mean he got

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Speaker 4: carved up by Herbert on that final drive. You should

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Speaker 4: run it when Nickson next.

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Speaker 1: To boys, he is joining us right now, live nick Ry.

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Speaker 1: First things first, I thought I was very complimentary of

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. I think if they played the Chargers again.

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Speaker 1: It's a coin flip. Although I worry about Worthy's health.

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Speaker 1: But your takeaway in the top ten.

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Speaker 7: Uh, yes, a few things. How close for the Jags?

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Speaker 7: Travis Hunter, the truber looked good. They looked like a

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Speaker 7: better operation. How close for the Jags? Can I see

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Speaker 7: a second week? I think Carolina and the US in

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Speaker 7: the league.

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Speaker 2: That's fair, Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 7: I'm the I thought you might put the Steelers in.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't I actually, And I also think the Raiders

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Speaker 7: are going to be good this year. But it also

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Speaker 7: might be that the Patriots are just terrible. So I

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Speaker 7: don't have major major issue with your list. I don't

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Speaker 7: even have, for the moment, major issue with where you

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Speaker 7: have the chiefs Now. I understand j Mack finds himself

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Speaker 7: in a tough spot because now, right now everyone thinks

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Speaker 7: the dynasty has fallen. So the niche she has carved

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Speaker 7: out of number one chief skeptic that gets to be

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Speaker 7: wrong every year. Jeezu's st it's a crowded corner. So

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Speaker 7: like now, he wants them outside of the top ten.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 7: Behind the Jets, who allowed thirty four points to a

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Speaker 7: forty four year old man.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm I'm really too concerned with that. I am.

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Speaker 2: I think Kansas City.

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Speaker 7: Here's what I think is fair about Kansas City, Colin,

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Speaker 7: and tell me if you agree with me. I think

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Speaker 7: that it is fair to say the running game looked

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Speaker 7: more than shaky and they are going to have to

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Speaker 7: generate a pass rush outside of Chris Jones because the

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Speaker 7: secondary is a work in progress, and it led to

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Speaker 7: Justin Herbert having the best game of his life, and

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Speaker 7: it led to Chris Jones pressing at the end of

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Speaker 7: that game and cutting inside on the third and fourteen

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Speaker 7: because he knew he was the only one you could

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Speaker 7: get the pass rush broke contain Herbert runs the ball.

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Speaker 7: So those are fair criticisms. What to me is not fair,

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Speaker 7: like the flip side of those criticisms are because of

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Speaker 7: who the quarterback is.

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Speaker 2: If they had gotten.

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Speaker 7: To stop in third and fourteen and Mahomes got the

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Speaker 7: ball back with ninety seconds left down six, I think

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Speaker 7: all of us would have been like, oh, yeah, he's

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Speaker 7: probably gonna go win. They are the opposite of the

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Speaker 7: Ravens in that regard as vulnerable as the three time

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Speaker 7: defending AFC champion Kansas City Chiefs are as they still

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Speaker 7: feel like they can win in any situation if they

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Speaker 7: get the.

653
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Speaker 2: Ball, and the Ravens feel.

654
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Speaker 7: Like they can lose in any situation. I have one

655
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Speaker 7: other Chiefs related question before we move on, because you

656
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 7: said something last week, and by the way, congrats on

657
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 7: ten years. It's a legendary accomplishment. It's why you're you.

658
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 7: It's amazing.

659
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Speaker 2: I should have said that before this.

660
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Speaker 7: But you said last week, in an attempt to minimize

661
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Speaker 7: the singular greatness of Patrick Mahomes, that he was dropped

662
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Speaker 7: into the greatest situation any quarterbacks ever been dropped into.

663
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Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So my question is.

664
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Speaker 7: Did that take expire as of last night? Because JJ

665
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 7: McCarthy just got dropped into a fourteen win team with

666
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Speaker 7: a great defense, with Justin Jefferson, with Kevin O'Connell. So

667
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 7: it was that take was that takes shelf life three days?

668
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 7: And now it's JJ McCarthy, who in year two is

669
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 7: the starner like Patrick, except the Vikings are a better

670
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Speaker 7: team than Chiefs were when they got Patrick.

671
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: No, but it's not Andy Reid, And I love Kevin O'Connell,

672
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: but I think.

673
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 7: Andy Reid wasn't Andy Reid before Patrick Well, Andy Reid

674
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 7: was not Andy Reid. He was a guy who couldn't

675
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 7: win in the playoff wore Patrick Well.

676
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Speaker 1: You know that, But I also know Andy Reid in

677
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: coaching circle. I mean, the guy was unemployed for forty minutes.

678
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: Everybody in the league knew Andy Reid was great. So

679
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: here's my takeaway. You're absolutely right on JJ McCarthy. It

680
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: is a like brock Perty when he came in twenty

681
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: twenty two. There are situations that are ideal. You get Kyle,

682
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Speaker 1: you get Kevin, you get Andy. Now you've got to

683
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: go prove you can do it. And Mahomes did what.

684
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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy's not going to now rattle off multiple Super Bowls.

685
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't believe, but let's talk about that game. Is

686
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Speaker 1: My takeaway is if you're a Viking fan, despite three

687
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: awful quarters, you believe this morning.

688
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: Well he hadn't played in six hundred days. We found

689
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: our guy.

690
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: And despite the fact that Caleb was perfect on the

691
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: opening drive, the better quarterback for three quarters in Chicago

692
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: this morning, you're thinking, oh, this is justin fields. So

693
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you I have bear spans that

694
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: are like, I've seen this the last three years, and

695
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: you bailed on that guy.

696
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Speaker 7: All right, So I think Justin Fields is a bridge

697
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 7: too far. Okay, However, and however, I am my marrow

698
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 7: deep faith that Caleb Williams will be a superstar in

699
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 7: this league has taken a hit in the last ninety

700
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 7: six hours. I will admit that you had Tyler Dunn

701
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Speaker 7: on your show. I read his piece on his website,

702
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 7: Golong TV Pay for Good Journalism America. It's like four

703
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 7: bucks a month. It's worth the read that was concerned

704
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 7: to me, Like those anecdotes individually are not a big deal.

705
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 7: In the totality are potentially a very big deal. And

706
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 7: then last night when you saw he really struggles with.

707
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: The operation still.

708
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 7: And the getting out of the huddle motioning guys a

709
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 7: little too late, like the pre snap stuff. He still

710
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 7: looks like a rookie. And this is your two. You

711
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 7: can paper over that, and I have because that play

712
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 7: he made on the sideline where he's running and then

713
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 7: fires an absolute laser. It's like, man, there aren't five

714
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 7: quarterbacks in the league who can make that totally prop.

715
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 7: But here is for me, the tiebreaker last night was

716
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 7: if it was like, Okay, he's making magic happen like that,

717
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 7: that's just.

718
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: An unbelievable play.

719
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 7: But he's also struggling with the pre snap stuff. You know,

720
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 7: I would tie would go to the.

721
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: Making magic happen.

722
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 7: But he also missed three game changing layups on the

723
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 7: fourth down a potential touchdown, So I can't have you

724
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 7: be inaccurate on the easy stuff and shakey pre snap.

725
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: The magic doesn't make up for all of that.

726
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 7: So I still believe in Caleb Williams's long term but

727
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 7: I think it is going to be a much slower

728
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 7: process than I had hoped. And I also have to

729
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 7: have Can I say something about Ben Johnson please?

730
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: Sure?

731
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 7: It is not acceptable for I'm okay with older coaches

732
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 7: like that that I'm a better game manager than them.

733
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Speaker 7: I'm like, Okay, they know a stuff I don't know.

734
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 7: They're a different generation. Fine, whatever. The end of that game, Colin,

735
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 7: there's two two left and you have to save the

736
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 7: two minute warning, yep, and his plan was kick it

737
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 7: out in the back of the end zone, which of

738
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 7: course he wanted to do. Cairo Santos doesn't have the leg.

739
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Speaker 7: Here's what I would expect from Ben Johnson, young, smart,

740
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 7: innovative head coach to realize, wait a minute, my kicker

741
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 7: doesn't have the strongest leg. The new touchback rules say

742
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 7: if I do kick it out in the back of

743
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 7: the end zone, they get it on the thirty five. Anyway,

744
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 7: I need to tell my kicker forget the back of.

745
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: The end zone.

746
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 7: Fire that thing out of bounds. Everyone can do that.

747
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 7: It guarantees me the two minute warning and I only.

748
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: Lose five yards.

749
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Speaker 7: I'm fine giving I wanted to give it to him

750
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Speaker 7: on the thirty five, but I ran the risk that

751
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 7: I lose the two minute warning and lose the game.

752
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: I need you to, in.

753
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 7: Real time realize what I realized for my couch drink

754
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 7: and wine. Have him kick it forty five degree angle

755
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 7: out of bounds. You keep the two minute warning, they

756
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 7: get the ball with two two left, and maybe Caleb

757
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 7: gets another shot. So he like that was disappoint because

758
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 7: I expected him to be cutting edge. I thought he

759
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 7: did a fine job, but the challenge was bad and

760
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 7: not telling Santos just kicked the ball out of bounds

761
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 7: was less than ideal.

762
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Speaker 1: So the Ravens have gotten into a habit of losing

763
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Speaker 1: leads and here's I'm gonna throw a theory at you.

764
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Speaker 2: I love it.

765
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Speaker 1: Okay, there is no comp for Lamar Jackson. Nobody else

766
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: plays like him, not only historically, but in the league now,

767
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: nobody plays like him. I mean, Mahomes is great, so

768
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: was Allen. They mostly sit in the pocket. And so

769
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: the first seven or eight possessions against Lamar Jackson, it's

770
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: Tyson in his prime. Nobody hit that hard. There was

771
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: no way to prepare for it. None of your sparring

772
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: partners could do that. But if you get to the

773
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: sixth round with Tyson, you had a shot to win.

774
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: And the thing with Baltimore is if you can stay

775
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: within reach as he gets into a seventh or eighth possession,

776
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: the offense, he's not as great from the pocket. Made

777
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: is like a Mahomes or well whoever name the quarterbacks,

778
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: and that they lose leads because people over eight or

779
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: nine possessions kind of figure out a little bit to

780
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: slow down the train and then they come roaring back

781
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: on a defense that's frankly the last two years not

782
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: the same as it was five years ago.

783
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: And that's why they lose leads.

784
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 7: Listen, I think that's a part of it. I think

785
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 7: hardball gets a little conservative at times.

786
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: I think that's a part of it.

787
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 7: I thought, Lamar, listen, you know I have been, you know,

788
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 7: not shy about Lamar Jackson criticism when I think he's

789
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 7: deserved it for big games of the playoffs. I thought

790
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 7: he played awesome Sunday night. My only Lamar criticism, and

791
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 7: it's a very small one, would be this. I when

792
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 7: he threw it short of the sticks on their last possession.

793
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 7: I assumed it was because he knew they were in

794
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 7: four down territory. But throw on third and nine? Throwing

795
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 7: it sick yards if you're not going forward on fourth.

796
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: That's a mistake.

797
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 7: Like you've got to either know you're going forward on

798
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 7: fourth or do everything you can pick up the first down.

799
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 7: But that's that's really just nitpicking. He was awesome. Josh

800
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 7: was a touch better. They you know, they got the

801
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 7: Bill's got a lucky break with a tipped pass that

802
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 7: turned into a touchdown.

803
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: Henry fumbles those.

804
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 7: Like individually, you can just say epic game Bills.

805
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: You know, comeback is great.

806
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 7: Holistically, Colin, here is what I know about the Baltimore

807
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 7: Ravens with the hardball Lamar combo they are the only

808
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 7: team across all of sports that I am beat over

809
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 7: the head by the media telling me how not only

810
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 7: good they.

811
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: Are, but great they are.

812
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 7: And their historical profile is of an all time team

813
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 7: who always loses these games, like they're never on the

814
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 7: other side of one of these games. They're the only

815
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 7: great team that consistently loses games like this. Every other

816
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 7: great team in sports history.

817
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: Has something in common. They win.

818
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 7: And I know the Ravens have a gaudy regular season record,

819
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 7: but they don't win in the playoffs. They blow big leads,

820
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 7: they don't play their best in the biggest spots. And

821
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 7: you can't put this one on Lamar. And so it's

822
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 7: just something about the team as a whole, where they

823
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 7: create ways to lose games, when the best teams create

824
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 7: find ways to win games.

825
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: Yea.

826
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 7: The flip side of that game is this, Colin. If

827
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 7: I'm a Bills fan, I'm thrilled I won, and I'm

828
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 7: thrilled I have a good path to the one seed

829
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 7: and the tiebreaker. And obviously Josh Allen's a superhero.

830
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: I get all that.

831
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 7: I do not feel better about my Super Bowl chances

832
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 7: if I'm either of those teams because of those defensive performances.

833
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 7: I'm looking at it like man oh Man. So we

834
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 7: have real secondary issues on both teams here that I

835
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 7: think and I understand. Listen, the Chiefs would be lucky

836
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 7: to just get the seventh seed this year, but I

837
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 7: don't think you want to walk into a playoff game

838
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 7: against Patrick Mahomes if the weakness of your team is

839
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 7: the secondary, I don't think you want that.

840
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: Listen, if you pay the quarterback a lot Kansas City,

841
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: Baltimore and Buffalo, the secondaries are bad for those two.

842
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: In the running game of the O line, you're kind

843
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: of a work in progress for Kansas. That's the reality

844
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: of paying the quarterback big money. Okay, So I said

845
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be afraid to have a strong opinion. In

846
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: Week one, I thought green Bay looked unbelievable. I also

847
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: think if you are replacing the two best coordinators, the

848
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: best coordinator tandem in the league in Detroit, you don't

849
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: do it with in house candidates. I said this after

850
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game, they are not going to

851
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: be a great team. Over under in Vegas went down

852
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: to eight and a half. I think I can say

853
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: Detroit is in big trouble.

854
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: What say you?

855
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 7: I agree, And it was just one moment on the paths.

856
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 7: I know the media there was a there was about

857
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 7: a ten day quick Fever dream where people had this

858
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 7: conversation Michael Parsons, How good is he?

859
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: How did that answer? How they like Michael Parsons.

860
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 7: You know, when you consider the fact that Jerry Jones

861
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 7: tells us he's bad against the run, does he even

862
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 7: help your team? Kenny Dan Campbell said before the game, Yeah,

863
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 7: you know, we're just happy Kenny Clark's gone, and because

864
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 7: and that's because Kenny Clark is an excellent player. Really

865
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 7: in bat Colin, Kenny Clark is such a good player

866
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 7: that if you take Kenny Clark and attach two first

867
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 7: round picks to him, you can get yourself Michael Parsons,

868
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 7: that's how good Kenny Clark is him. Let's do first

869
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 7: round picks get you that type of game wrecker. So

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Speaker 7: the Packers look unbelievable. The Lions are shaky, and it's

871
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Speaker 7: the coaching changes and Colin the interior of that offensive

872
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Speaker 7: line because you get Jared Golf office and all of

873
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Speaker 7: a sudden, he doesn't look like the Jared Golf we've

874
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Speaker 7: seen the last few years, and that would really concern

875
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Speaker 7: me if I'm Detroit significantly.

876
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think. Listen, every year there.

877
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Speaker 7: Is a team that everyone expects to be great that

878
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Speaker 7: falls off. Last year was the Niners, the year before that,

879
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Speaker 7: it was the Bengals. This year there were five teams

880
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Speaker 7: that everyone thought it would be great. Philly, Detroit, Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore.

881
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Speaker 7: Now I know folks are praying for the downfall of

882
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Speaker 7: the Chiefs. Talk to me when yet it actually happens.

883
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Speaker 7: I think Detroit is the prime candidate for that one.

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Speaker 1: Nick Wright, as always, my friend, it's football season week

885
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Speaker 1: ones in the books and we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I meant it.

887
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Speaker 7: I just real ten years doing this show, after doing

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Speaker 7: it for.

889
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Speaker 2: A decade or more.

890
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Speaker 7: At the other end, the other place, it's legendary, bro,

891
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Speaker 7: it is legendary. Congratulations sincerely, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Nick, Right, first thing safe, Thank you very much

893
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894
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895
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896
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Speaker 1: Twenty three years, seven times super Bowl champ Tom Brady

907
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Speaker 1: is now joining us live.

908
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Speaker 2: Tom as always it great to see. How are things.

909
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Speaker 8: Let's have call him NFL Season Week two, Let's go.

910
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 1: You know, I was saying about JJ McCarthy, let's start.

911
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: You're a Michigan guy. Is that he's got a little

912
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield.

913
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Speaker 2: I thought you were a guy like when I.

914
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Speaker 1: Think emotion players, Baker's a guy that when Baker gets

915
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Speaker 1: into a run, his chest puffs out, his velocity increases,

916
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Speaker 1: his accuracy increases, He wears his emotions on his sleeve.

917
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Speaker 1: I don't feel that with you. I didn't feel that.

918
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Speaker 1: I don't think Michael Pennix is that. But when I

919
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Speaker 1: watched JJ fourth quarter hits justin Jefferson on the.

920
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Speaker 2: Sideline, Tom, it was like I gave him a B

921
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Speaker 2: twelve shot, he puffed out three.

922
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Speaker 1: And it's take me through that about how emotion affected

923
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Speaker 1: you positively or negative, Because I think JJ is an

924
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Speaker 1: emotional player.

925
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Speaker 8: I absolutely love it when I see that type of emotion.

926
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Speaker 8: I think it brings you to kind of higher level

927
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Speaker 8: of focus. Stands in there, takes a hit, makes a

928
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Speaker 8: great throw, and that game is all about emotional being

929
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Speaker 8: at kind of a feverish and feverish pitch but also controlled.

930
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Speaker 8: And I could get there emotionally in a way that

931
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Speaker 8: probably didn't look like it.

932
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Speaker 2: On my face.

933
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Speaker 8: I think JJ just expresses that a little bit more.

934
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Speaker 8: Always think, like watch golf a lot, and I see

935
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Speaker 8: these golfers hit these holding ones and they like fit

936
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Speaker 8: their cap and they're like, and I'm like, man, i'd.

937
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Speaker 2: Be going crazy. And I love Ryder Cup style golfer

938
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Speaker 2: guys are fist bumping, and I just think.

939
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Speaker 8: That emotion when you're electrified as a player, you play

940
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Speaker 8: with the most focused, the most anticipation, everything ends up

941
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Speaker 8: being at the highest sense of kind of the alertness.

942
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Speaker 8: So I love that aspect of his game. You know,

943
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Speaker 8: he's just got to keep that going for a long time.

944
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Speaker 8: That I believe is part of your conditioning and that

945
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Speaker 8: ability to elevate your teammates as well in those big moments.

946
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Speaker 8: And I love seeing that from a Michigan man.

947
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Speaker 1: So we all know during your dynasty there were some

948
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Speaker 1: things we could bank on. Belichick's defensive coaching, your efficiency.

949
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Speaker 1: You guys always had a better than that average run game.

950
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Speaker 1: Lost in a lot of your success. The two winning

951
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Speaker 1: his teams the last twenty five years have been Green

952
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Speaker 1: Bay and your teams.

953
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Speaker 2: Why Wow?

954
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Speaker 1: Why is that? And I would argue this offensive line play.

955
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Speaker 1: The Packers almost never have a bad old line, and

956
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Speaker 1: because of Dante Scarneckia.

957
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Speaker 2: You didn't.

958
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Speaker 1: So Mahomes now is in a different situation. He has

959
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Speaker 1: now been blown out twice in Super Bowls, once by

960
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Speaker 1: you because of deterioration of O line play. So their

961
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: tackles Tom in Week one grated incredibly poorly. So you

962
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Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of that deterioration. But go to

963
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Speaker 1: games in which I remember that Giant Super Bowl. The

964
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Speaker 1: first play of the game, I was with a friend

965
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Speaker 1: and the Giants rushed through and I said, was it?

966
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Speaker 1: Tom's in trouble? They lost all four battles up front

967
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Speaker 1: when the offensive line is deteriorating. Go to your career.

968
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Speaker 1: What does it do for a great quarterback?

969
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Speaker 8: Well, I always say you control the line of scrimmage,

970
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Speaker 8: you control the game. So when you control both sides

971
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Speaker 8: of the line of scrimmage, you have a huge opportunity

972
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Speaker 8: for success. And it takes someone like Patrick Mahomes to

973
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Speaker 8: kind of have that Mahomes magic and pull the rabbit

974
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Speaker 8: out of his hat in order to keep his team

975
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Speaker 8: in the game. And he's had a lot of unique

976
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Speaker 8: offensive line combinations Patrick has. They've been trying to find

977
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Speaker 8: a left hackle at that position for a long time

978
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Speaker 8: in that offense, and.

979
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Speaker 2: It's a challenge because it affects the.

980
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Speaker 8: Way the quarterback feels like, can I really sit back

981
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Speaker 8: there and do I trust my teammates up front to

982
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Speaker 8: be able to protect me long enough so that I

983
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Speaker 8: could see down the field to read the coverage and

984
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Speaker 8: then make a very decisive, accurate throw. So he's got

985
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Speaker 8: to find a way to overcome that, and he has

986
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Speaker 8: in so many ways. Among Patrick had even though despite

987
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Speaker 8: his stats being down a little bit last year, I

988
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Speaker 8: still think he had an credible season. They won fifteen games,

989
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 8: and you see that throw on the run right there.

990
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Speaker 8: There's only a few guys that could make that throw.

991
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Speaker 8: Patrick's one of them, and he is so poised back there,

992
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 8: and I think they're actually with you know, thinking about

993
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 8: that offensive line with the rookie Simmons, with Sue Mattie

994
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Speaker 8: who's in there, is a second round pick from last year,

995
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 8: Create Humphrey there and Tray Smith at right guard there.

996
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 8: They're set up to have a pretty good offensive line

997
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 8: as they gel and grow together. So that would be

998
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 8: great for Patrick to feel like he has some confidence

999
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 8: to stand back there because the Super Bowl look so

1000
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Speaker 8: much of that game ended up being can we block

1001
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Speaker 8: the Eagles defensive front? And that Eagles defensive front played

1002
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 8: their tail off that game, and really the Chiefs had

1003
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Speaker 8: no chance when they were rushing that well. I remember

1004
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Speaker 8: years ago, I've referenced this several times. You were talking

1005
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Speaker 8: to Jay Glazer and it was I think it was

1006
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Speaker 8: after a practice because everybody else was clear, and you

1007
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Speaker 8: said you were still in New England.

1008
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Speaker 1: You said, you know, Jay, I've seen every coverage. You

1009
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: can beat me, but you're not going to fool me.

1010
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: I've seen everyone and you've been very vocal about the

1011
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: pre snap operational side has deteriorated. Is there a quarterback

1012
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: though right now in the league that you look at

1013
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: pre snap and you're like, yeah, you can see it.

1014
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: I can see he's operating at a different level. Is

1015
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: there one or two guys and I would imagine they're

1016
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Speaker 1: older that you look and you can tell from head movement,

1017
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: you can tell from the directions that you can tell

1018
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: pre snap or elite.

1019
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 8: Well, Matt Stafford just jumps to the top of my mind.

1020
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 8: I'll tell you why. When you see someone do these

1021
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 8: no look passes like he did last week. He knows

1022
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 8: where the defense is going to be aligned, so he

1023
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 8: knows okay, he sees a certain coverage, he knows the

1024
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 8: high low combination that's going to work against that coverage,

1025
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 8: So he stares at the load defender, draws the coverage

1026
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 8: to the load defender, stares at the load defender, and

1027
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 8: then throws it to the higher receiver in the combination.

1028
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 8: So that is an elite level of play in his

1029
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 8: ability to recognize defenses and then make those type of throws.

1030
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 8: So he's the one. And again, he's a veteran quarterback.

1031
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 8: He's played a lot of football. I think Patrick really

1032
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 8: understands the games and combinations like that as well.

1033
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: But you're right, there's just not a lot.

1034
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 8: There's a lot more I would say physical development happening

1035
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 8: at a younger age, but less I would say mental

1036
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 8: emotional development from quarterbacks. And you know, I had a

1037
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 8: chance to talk to Andy Reid about that, had a

1038
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 8: chance to talk to Patrick Mahomes about that this week.

1039
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Speaker 8: One of the they said, Look, Patrick flat out said,

1040
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 8: I can't thank Alex Smith enough for everything that he

1041
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 8: did for me. All I did was ask him questions

1042
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 8: in the meeting room.

1043
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: My first year.

1044
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 8: And I look at my first year, that's all I did.

1045
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 8: With Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Rodgers had three years to sit

1046
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 8: behind Brett farre Eli Manning sat behind Kurt Warner. There's

1047
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 8: a lot of guys, and I would say a lot

1048
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 8: of successful players that weren't kind of thrown into the

1049
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 8: fire because what happens is you can lose your confidence

1050
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 8: so fast, because when when the real games are happening,

1051
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 8: the blitzes are coming and you don't understand protection and

1052
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 8: you don't understand coverage, and you start taking hits and

1053
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 8: you start throwing interceptions, you begin to lose confidence that hey,

1054
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 8: I don't even know how to play football. I don't

1055
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 8: know how to go down and lead our team to

1056
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 8: score points.

1057
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: I can't even make and complete a pass.

1058
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 8: So if you're sitting in the meeting room and learning,

1059
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 8: I actually think that's the best way to learn, because

1060
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 8: you can understand it on the board, you can understand

1061
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 8: it on the video screen, you can go out to

1062
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 8: a walkthrough, and then you can learn and practice by

1063
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 8: making a lot of you know, good decisions, bad decisions

1064
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 8: without necessarily being critique from the outside world.

1065
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: And lose it.

1066
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 8: You know, Look, you got PFF grade in you every week,

1067
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Speaker 8: like you were just referencing there before I came on.

1068
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 8: They're grading you, and now you go as a first

1069
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 8: year quarterback you barely know, and now everyone's telling you suck,

1070
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 8: and it takes a while.

1071
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: To regain your confidence.

1072
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 8: You lose your whole fan base, and it's it's really unfortunate,

1073
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 8: but that's that's very much the state of the league.

1074
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 8: And I think we've dumbed down the game in so

1075
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 8: many ways to allow for a lesser caliber, developed player

1076
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 8: to get in there and lead an organization.

1077
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Speaker 1: So, you know, I always had this theory that quarterbacking

1078
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: should be easier now you have personal coaching seven on

1079
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: seven camps. I mean, guys like you and Drew Bledsoe

1080
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: and Troy Aikman have told me like I literally had like,

1081
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, eight high school games a year.

1082
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: You know, you're like I had forty starts, including high school.

1083
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: Well, guys now have ten thousand snaps by the time

1084
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: they're fourteen years old. So I've always said as a

1085
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: sports commentator, I used to give guys three years. My

1086
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Speaker 1: argument now is Thanksgiving year two, the GM, the coach,

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Speaker 1: the coordinator need to go upstairs in a room privately,

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Speaker 1: raise their hands yes or no. And I don't care

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Speaker 1: where you drafted him. I would give Caleb eleven more weeks.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, let's go upstairs. Is that fair? I know

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Speaker 1: it sounds kind of harsh, but Thanksgiving year two. I

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Speaker 1: believe quarterbacks if they're if they the operations aren't there,

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Speaker 1: he's not the guy.

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Speaker 2: Is that too soon? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: But I would argue this, you're assuming that everybody knows

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Speaker 8: how to develop a quarterback. You're assuming that you're going

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Speaker 8: into a program. I mean, I'm telling you this is

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Speaker 8: not There's a lot of people who have no idea

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Speaker 8: what they're doing when they're tasked with coaching a quarterback

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Speaker 8: or calling an offense. So are you saying, I mean,

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Speaker 8: just like we'd rank quarterbacks one to thirty two, do

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Speaker 8: you rank offensive coordinators one to thirty two? Do you

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Speaker 8: rank quarterback coaches one to thirty two? Well, what if

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Speaker 8: you had the thirty second ranked coordinator in someone's mind,

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Speaker 8: the thirty second ranked quarterback coach, how is he getting

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Speaker 8: a level of development that the guy who's first is getting.

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Speaker 8: When I got to the Patriots, I sat behind Drew

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Speaker 8: who was a franchise quarterback. Right in my second year.

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Speaker 8: It's training camp, and we had a very good quarterback

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Speaker 8: coach named Dick ray Vine.

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Speaker 2: And God rest his soul.

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Speaker 8: Unfortunately he passed away in training camp and of a

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Speaker 8: heart attack, and it was a very difficult loss for

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Speaker 8: our team. And the way that we found a way

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Speaker 8: to continue on that season is Bill Belichick became more

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Speaker 8: of a quarterback coach than we ever imagine him being.

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Speaker 2: A quarterback coach.

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Speaker 8: He was a defensive he was obviously a head coach,

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Speaker 8: very involved in defensive game playing, but he decided to

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Speaker 8: come in every week and talk to the quarterbacks about

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Speaker 8: coverage all right, guys, and he would do these big

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Speaker 8: write ups and they still have all because I kept

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Speaker 8: everything com This is cover one.

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Speaker 2: This is how they play it. This is who we're

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Speaker 2: responsible for who.

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Speaker 8: Okay, if we line up in a bunch formation, this

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Speaker 8: is how they're going to handle the bunch formation. This

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Speaker 8: is why they do that. This is the weakness of that,

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Speaker 8: why they do that. You shouldn't do this if this

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Speaker 8: is how they cover this. Okay, this is cover two.

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Speaker 8: This is how they cover this is they play two

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Speaker 8: variations that Cover two when they're in this variation. This

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Speaker 8: is what they're treund's up when they're in this various

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Speaker 8: This is what they're trund stop.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is cover four.

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Speaker 8: This is how this team uniquely plays couple four. We

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Speaker 8: shouldn't line up in this formation to try to run

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Speaker 8: this concept for one year. I had for actually more

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Speaker 8: years beyond that. That's how I developed and learned. Oh

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Speaker 8: defense calls a certain play. This is how we can

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Speaker 8: We can put them in this formation and they can

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Speaker 8: back the coverage off and I'll have a short thrown reason.

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Speaker 2: Oh great, I love that. Let's do that. Nobody is

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Speaker 2: getting that type of development.

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Speaker 8: So I learned from an offensive standpoint, watching Drew and

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Speaker 8: having very good offensive coaches. Then I had a defensive coach,

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Speaker 8: the best one all time, teach me how to read defenses.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 8: Then that would go out and meet with player personnel,

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Speaker 8: people you know who are very talented. Okay, we go

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Speaker 8: through the entire defensive lineup. Okay, these are all the

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Speaker 8: things that this defense does. This is what this player

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Speaker 8: does well. This player does well, this player does well.

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Speaker 8: That's development. You're giving people knowledge and information that you

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Speaker 8: could take to the field so that you could play

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Speaker 8: with confidence and anticipation, and that would free you up

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Speaker 8: to play a very aggressive style of football. So I'm saying,

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Speaker 8: what if you're a quarterback, then you go to a

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Speaker 8: system and they don't teach you coverage. They don't teach

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Speaker 8: you cover one, they don't teach you cover too, they

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Speaker 8: don't teach you cover four.

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Speaker 2: They don't have personnel meetings.

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Speaker 8: They give you an offensive game plan, and they go

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Speaker 8: all right, but here you go figure it out, and

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Speaker 8: after Thanksgiving your second year, they're going, man, this guy

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Speaker 8: just can't play anymore.

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Speaker 2: He stinks.

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Speaker 8: He you know, he can't recover. Like, dude, what would

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Speaker 8: did you teach him anything. Did you groom him? Did

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Speaker 8: you spend time after practice? Did you work on the

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Speaker 8: physical parts of his game? Did you work on his

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Speaker 8: throwing mechanics, did you work on his drops? Did you

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Speaker 8: work on the mental parts of the game. Did you

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Speaker 8: understand how to help him study film better? So all

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Speaker 8: these aspects physical part about football. The physical part is

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Speaker 8: one aspect I got was one hundred and ninety nine

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Speaker 8: pick in the draft because so many people were focused

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Speaker 8: on a physical skill. Tom Brady two a week couldn't

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Speaker 8: stand in the pockets, you know, is if he gets hit,

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Speaker 8: he's going to go down.

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Speaker 2: You know, laughs are really strong arm.

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Speaker 8: That was kind of But what I really understood the

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Speaker 8: mental emotional part. I could bring a consistent competitive, winning

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Speaker 8: attitude to the game every day, or to practice and

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Speaker 8: the games every single week. Mentally, I could absorb information

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Speaker 8: you could give me, just like Belichick did, pages of notes,

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Speaker 8: and I could process those things and then take them

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Speaker 8: to the field and play with the anticipation. So what

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Speaker 8: I lacked for maybe in a bit of physical development,

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Speaker 8: I far exceeded a lot of the people in mental

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Speaker 8: emotional development. And that's a hard thing to evaluate. But

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Speaker 8: I'd also say there's not many people who even know

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Speaker 8: what to do.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not like they're CEOs of businesses. A

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Speaker 2: lot of times they're football coaches.

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Speaker 8: With all due respect, they're not running large corporations, right,

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Speaker 8: you know, as as Bill Parcell said, you know, they're

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Speaker 8: pe coaches. A lot of times they get elevated to

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Speaker 8: you know, coaching positions.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I said, I thought Jaden Daniels last year, not because

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Speaker 1: he can move or he has a nice arm, it

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Speaker 1: was the best rookie quarterback I'd ever seen in terms

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Speaker 1: of poise.

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Speaker 2: Two minute drill that had to play now.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes was great, but he got to sit behind you know,

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith, who's the great, the great teacher, but I

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Speaker 1: mean drafted play now go. And I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: this and the thing that blew me away with him

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Speaker 1: and Kingsbury was saying this in camp, and I remember

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Speaker 1: being on their saying, Cliff slowed down. You're raising the

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Speaker 1: clips like I can't believe this kid, And I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 1: he's a rookie. Bring it down his poise and you

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Speaker 1: know what I think about this is crazy. You had

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Speaker 1: this at a very early age your first year starting

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Speaker 1: right replacing Drew?

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Speaker 2: Is it parenting? Like?

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Speaker 1: I think it's innate that some kids have right Like,

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Speaker 1: And I watched Jayden Downels. I'm gonna look his parents up.

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Speaker 1: What did his parents do? He was so cool and calm.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can teach that. I'm watching him

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Speaker 1: in week three there's a buck twenty on the clock,

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Speaker 1: no facial expression. I'm like, Okay, that's not that's from home.

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Speaker 1: That's from something.

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Speaker 2: I believe.

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Speaker 1: The one thing you can't teach nobody can teach it

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Speaker 1: is you are either calm in crisis or you're not that.

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Speaker 1: If you're anxious in a teeth clencher, it never goes away.

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Speaker 1: No matter how good you can, you can get explain

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Speaker 1: that you had it? Jaden had it? Did you learn it?

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Speaker 1: You have it when you were twelve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: There's poise and composure in big moments that I do

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Speaker 8: think separates kind of elite performers. And I would say

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Speaker 8: it's it's probably a high sense of self confidence in

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Speaker 8: big situations.

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Speaker 2: You see that with Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 8: I think he's probably one of my favorite ones in

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Speaker 8: the NFL right for a lot of reasons, but you

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Speaker 8: see his face in big moments and it just doesn't

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Speaker 8: seem it's a big moment for everybody else except him.

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Speaker 8: And the difference is he actually looks more focused and

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Speaker 8: more urgent and more.

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Speaker 2: Ready to go.

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Speaker 8: And you know, you you, you know, you just he's

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Speaker 8: just so laser focused. And there's some guys that play

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Speaker 8: like that, and there's others that look a little bit phrenetic.

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Speaker 8: I mean tiger woods, like tiger woods look like that

1249
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Speaker 8: in golf. The bigger the moment, you know, the more

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Speaker 8: determined he looked.

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Speaker 2: That's probably the right word.

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Speaker 8: And there's certain people who have I would say no

1253
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Speaker 8: fear of failure, and that allows you, that frees you

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Speaker 8: up to go out and be your best because people

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Speaker 8: that fear of failure, well then that means they're trying

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Speaker 8: to control it. And when you feel that lack of

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Speaker 8: control or lack of confidence, well people can see it

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Speaker 8: on your face.

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Speaker 2: A lot of times you could see it in the

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Speaker 2: eyes of the quarterback.

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Speaker 8: So you know, Jaden is very impressive and everything that

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Speaker 8: he's done, certainly his last year was one of the

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Speaker 8: great rookie seasons of any young quarterback. And again, you know,

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Speaker 8: we had him last week. We had commanders Giant. I'm

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Speaker 8: always looking for Okay, that's great, what's the next step

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Speaker 8: in development?

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Speaker 2: And then the next step and the next step and

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Speaker 2: the next step, and you.

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Speaker 8: Know, from the time that you start to the time

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Speaker 8: you finished, they're just continues. There needs to be an

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Speaker 8: upward trajectory every single year based on all the things

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Speaker 8: that you experience, and so a lot of things that

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Speaker 8: happened physically, mentally, emotionally over the course of a career

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Speaker 8: life on the field off the field that you need

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Speaker 8: to be able to grow with as you get a

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Speaker 8: little bit older and you continue to develop.

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Speaker 1: All right, big game this weekend ratings are up, Tom,

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Speaker 1: you sounded great. You sounded comfortable, and congratulations and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good start for everybody. You know what it is.

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Speaker 2: I got the best team in the world.

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Speaker 8: I got the best partner, Kevin Burkhart next to me,

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Speaker 8: Aaron and Tom on the field, Zee and Russ down

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Speaker 8: down in the truck along with everybody else. And I

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Speaker 8: love my team at Fox. I know we're just going

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Speaker 8: to keep getting better. We're gonna stay humble, we're gonna

1287
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Speaker 8: stay hungry, We're just going to keep working as hard

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Speaker 8: as we can to show up for one another and

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Speaker 8: try to provide the viewer with the best possible experience.

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Speaker 2: And this week America's Game of the Week.

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Speaker 8: Four five Sunday Eagles at chief couldn't get a better game?

1292
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Speaker 8: Super Bowl rematch. I am fired up, and it's Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, Tom Brady LFG, let's go. I'll leave the

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Speaker 1: FLT the office, right, let's go. All right, thanks buddy,

1295
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Speaker 1: that's right, all right, tom Brady, he's all fired up.

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Speaker 2: That was Tom Brady. You got a little Tom Brady

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Speaker 2: as if he was in the huddle. I love that.

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are a home dog for the second time ever

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Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes as a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 2: What would be the first? Was it when Brady went

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Speaker 2: there and beat him in the possibly Buffalo? Maybe the Buffalo?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: When Buffalo they beat Buffalo the thirteen second game? Was

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Speaker 1: Buffalo favored in that one?

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Speaker 4: So Colin, I think I've been here. Is this year three,

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Speaker 4: I don't know whatever it is, three or four on

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Speaker 4: this show? I think that may be the single greatest interview.

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Speaker 4: I'm like taking notes, like he said some unbelievable stuff,

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Speaker 4: specifically about quarterbacks that you and I should be talking

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Speaker 4: about our air.

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Speaker 2: I love that, Tom. I was amazing. I mean that,

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Speaker 2: this incredible stuff.

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Speaker 1: The only other instance it was, oh okay, it was

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Speaker 1: week six and twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: It was not the playoff game.

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Speaker 1: It was weeks bills a bad success against Kansas City,

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01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: just not in January. So it was week six they

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Speaker 1: beat him, and over the last four seasons, the Eagles

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Speaker 1: and the Chiefs are tied for the best record in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I like Philadelphia by a touchdown or more.

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Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia. If you lined up twelve best player

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Speaker 1: in the game, I think Niner Eagles. Now I get

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01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, I get Arrowhead, and I also get a

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Speaker 1: Chiefs team off a loss, so they're gonna be salty,

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: so that it's gonna be somewhat close. But a boy,

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Speaker 1: in terms of roster composition, if Xavier Worthy can play,

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Speaker 1: that helps.

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Speaker 4: There's a report now that Worthy may be at practice

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01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 4: today with his teammates. That's good, that's heally just emerging

1330
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Speaker 4: right now. But I can't expect him to play. Come on,

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01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 4: it's a long game. You don't want him to play

1332
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Speaker 4: in Week two? Come on, Tom Brady, nobody else like him,

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Speaker 4: even on our show.

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Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 5: and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 5: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 6: Hey, what's up everybody? It's me three time Pro Bowl

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Speaker 6: of LeVar Harrington and I couldn't be more excited to

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Speaker 6: announce a podcast called Up on Game?

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Speaker 2: What is Up on Game?

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Speaker 6: You add along with my fellow Pro Bowl TJ. Hutschman,

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Speaker 6: Zada and Super Bowl champion Yup, that's right, Plexico Birds.

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Speaker 6: You can only name a show with that type of

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Speaker 6: talent on it. Up on Game We're going to be

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Speaker 6: sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen

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Speaker 6: to Up on Game with me Lebar Arrington, TJ. Hutschman, Zada,

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Speaker 6: and Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: Here we go our number two, Our one flies by.

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Speaker 1: This is the Herd. Urban Meyer last Hour. Dave Wonstat's

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01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: gonna sit next to me that we got some great stories.

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01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: You know Green Bay's defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley. Dave Wonstat

1353
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: gave him his first job. Dave Wonstadt gave you first job.

1354
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: So I sort of got about a third of the league.

1355
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Speaker 1: And he's gonna join us on the Bears. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: join us on the Packers and the Miami Dolphins and

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and a lot offerent topics. Today, I

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Speaker 1: will say this about Green Bay. You know, it was

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01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: really strange when a defensive when a head coach in

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01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: college quit and became a coordinator in the NFL. That

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01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: doesn't happen a lot, but that's what the green Bay

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Speaker 1: Packers did.

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Speaker 2: The Lions.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, they they got very insular, very provincial.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna just we're just gonna hire guys in the

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Speaker 1: building to replace these two coordinators. Green Bay is like,

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Speaker 1: now we're gonna try something that nobody really does. We're

1368
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Speaker 1: gonna go hire a college head coach who's a very

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Speaker 1: good coach, making a great living. We're gonna make him

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Speaker 1: a devensive coordinator. And you can't run on Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: And Micah Parsons is still between the first two games,

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Speaker 1: playing about fifty sixty percent.

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Speaker 2: Of the snaps.

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Speaker 1: So you can tell when a fighter as confidence because

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Speaker 1: they're aggressive. You know Mike Tyson's early days. Look at

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:53,839
Speaker 1: the aggressiveness green Bay's defense plays with it is an

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Speaker 1: attack style defense. Why they have so much confidence in

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01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: their ability and their speed to make up if they

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Speaker 1: get beat. So when you watch, when you watch a

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: defense that is hyper aggressive, that is a confident boxer.

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01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: That's somebody that leaves their chin open because they have

1382
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: so much confidence in their ability to knock you out.

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01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: They're not worried about protecting themselves. When I'm watching Green

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Speaker 1: Bay on both sides, they are taking big swings down

1385
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: the field. And here's the thing about Jordan Love. You know,

1386
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: for years I said this about justin fields. He's tall,

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Speaker 1: he's a good kid, his teammates like him. He's got

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Speaker 1: a great arm, he's athletic. Why doesn't it work? Jordan

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: Love is all those things, but it's just better from

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01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: the pocket and getting better coaching. So Jordan Love in

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: terms of traits, that's what NFL people call it. Traits, size, arm, mobility, athleticism, toughness.

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Speaker 1: His traits are unbelievable. And you know, we just don't

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01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: naturally put him into the top ten. But I mean,

1394
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 1: Craft is going to be a multiple time pro bowler.

1395
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: You just wait, wait until Matthew Golden gets a few

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: games under his belt from TECHXS and Reid's healthy, and

1397
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs can be hit and miss on you know, dependability.

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Speaker 1: But why I'm watching Green Bay the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: That is the best team in the league, and they're young,

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Speaker 1: and they're inexpensive at most positions. Mike and Jordan Lover

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01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: making money. They've got a guard making some money. They're

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01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: not paying a lot of guys big money. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. They let go of Kenny Clark. Green

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01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: Bay let go of Kenny Clark, who's an elite interior lineman,

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01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: and their defense looks better. So that tells you how

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01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: well they've drafted and developed. They let go of an

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Speaker 1: elite But I mean, you sed taw Kenny Clark in

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Speaker 1: Week one against Philadelphia make an imprint. Kenny Clark's a

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01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: really good player. He's thirty thirty one years old, so

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Speaker 1: he's probably at the end of his peak.

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Speaker 2: He's a good player. Green Bay gave him up.

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Speaker 1: They're not even playing Mica seventy percent of the snaps,

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Speaker 1: and they're a dominating defense against the two most efficient

1414
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Speaker 1: offenses in the league. Last year, Detroit and Washington totally

1415
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: shut him down, totally discombobulated. Jayden Daniels and the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 1: So this is not a mirage. All right, here we go.

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01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: It is time off a winning week. I think it's

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Speaker 1: my first winning week on Blazing five and week one

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01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: in like forever, Here we.

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Speaker 2: Go, let's blaze it up, fired up. It's Collins, Blazon,

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Speaker 2: fuck Rams and Titans.

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Speaker 1: I like the Titans and five and a half points.

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: This is the second lowest total on the board, so

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Speaker 1: it's got a you know, twenty three to twenty field

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Speaker 1: to it. I'm gonna take the five and a half points.

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01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: The Titans mistakes in Week one are easy to clean up.

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01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: They had a lot of drop passes in penalties, but

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01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 1: they got a real rush on bo Nicks. They forced

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01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: Inver into four turnovers, and the Rams offensive line two

1430
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: of their top three offensive linemen are banged up. Rams

1431
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: scored on their final drive of the first half and

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01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: their first drive of the second half otherwise didn't score,

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01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: so I think this is low scoring. I think the

1434
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: Titans mistakes against an aggressive, very good defense understandable for

1435
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: cam Ward's first game. I think I'm gonna take the Titans.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a twenty three to twenty game. I'll

1437
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: take the Rams to win, but I'm absolutely taking the

1438
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: five and a half points.

1439
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: With Tennessee Seahawks at Steelers, take the under forty and

1440
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: a half.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's got too much pride and too much talent to

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01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: look like they look in Week one. Defensively, they're gonna

1443
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: play with their hair on fire. Defensively, Mike Tomlin had

1444
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 1: to be humiliated by that. They have too many good players.

1445
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: And Seattle's offense, it's not gonna be a high powered offense.

1446
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: It's a run first offense. They don't have a number

1447
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: one receiver, and under Mike McDonald, you know, eight of

1448
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: the eighteen games, twenty points are fewer. So last week

1449
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: Seattle game. That's what Seattle's gonna look like. They're gonna

1450
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: keep teams in the twenty three to twenty range and

1451
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: they're not gonna score a ton of points. That's not

1452
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: what they are. They don't have the perimeter weapons. So

1453
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: I think Sam donald struggled in this last cup. The

1454
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,879
Speaker 1: games come back down to Earth, take the under forty

1455
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: and a half points. This feels very twenty seventeen, twenty

1456
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: one seventeen. I like Seattle to win, but take the

1457
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: under forty and a half points Broncos did Colts. I

1458
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 1: like Denver minus two and a half. So listen. Eight

1459
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: and two against teams that missed the playoffs last year,

1460
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,759
Speaker 1: and bo Nicks has been strangely good on the road

1461
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: his last four road starts. His passer ratings one oh seven.

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01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: So I think Daniel Jones, let's not kid ourselves. His

1463
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: last seventeen starts, He's four and thirteen. They've played a

1464
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: Miami team that defensively quit. Don't overreact to Week one.

1465
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: It was home Jim Rsey was being celebrated the late

1466
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: great owner. It was a very emotional place. Denver's defense

1467
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: is going to get Daniel Jones off the field very quickly.

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01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 1: I like the Broncos to win and cover twenty seven

1469
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: to twenty.

1470
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: Eagles and Chiefs. I think it's.

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01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: Close and low scoring, but I'm gonna take Philadelphia to

1472
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: win and cover. Listen, they led thirty four to nothing

1473
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: in the third quarter against Kansas City. They got more

1474
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: good players. They've won seventeen of eighteen games, including the playoffs,

1475
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: and if Jalen Hurt starts and finishes a game, they've

1476
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: won fifteen straight. They're excellent on third down and they're

1477
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: excellent in the red zone, and they're excellent on fourth down,

1478
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: and that matters on the road in a close game.

1479
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna pick up those third and fourth downs. They're

1480
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: gonna make plays in the red zone. I think Kansas

1481
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: City comes out with incredible pride, plays over themselves and

1482
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: makes it close. But the Chiefs are two and three

1483
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: in their last five games. Zavy are worthy. If he

1484
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: doesn't play, they don't have a one receiver, they don't

1485
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: have a number two receiver, and Travis Kelsey they'll probably

1486
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 1: box him in. I think it's really low scoring. I

1487
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: think it's close, but I'm gonna take Eagles with a

1488
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: late touchdown to win twenty eight.

1489
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 2: To twenty Giant said Cowboys. I'm taking a prop bet.

1490
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: Take Ceedee Lamb over six and a half reception. Okay,

1491
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: he had a miserable week one, three drops. I believe

1492
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer to build trust with his young receiver. They're

1493
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: gonna have a steady dose of Ceedee Lamb. Shottenheimer and

1494
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: Dak are gonna say listen, we need you, brother. We're

1495
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: gonna throw to you fifteen times. By the way he

1496
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: has eaten against the Giants, he averaged seven point four

1497
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: receptions a game since twenty twenty three. That's highest in

1498
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: the league. And again, this is still not a great

1499
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: running back room. It's still a pretty average tight end room.

1500
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: And George Pickens does not separate like Ceedee Lamb. So

1501
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: I think to prove that they trust Ceedee Lamb, Ceedee

1502
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: Lamb is not gonna have three drops. He's played well

1503
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: against the Giant. I'm going to take the over on

1504
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: catches six and a half. I think Ceedee Lamb is

1505
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: going to be a primary Dallas target. So take the

1506
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: Titans and the points, the Broncos and Eagles to cover

1507
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: the under on the Seahawks, Steelers, and Ceedee.

1508
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: Lamb to have a very very big game.

1509
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: You know, I saw a quote this morning from Detroit's

1510
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator John Morton. He said, they play the

1511
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: Bears Lions is a very very interesting early window game,

1512
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: and he's John Morton says, we are not in panic mode. John,

1513
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: have you seen who you're playing next week?

1514
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:45,440
Speaker 2: You're at Baltimore.

1515
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: Baltimore is not in a good mood, having lost to Buffalo,

1516
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: having controlled the game. You can deny you're going to

1517
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 1: be in panic mode, but you got Baltimore next week,

1518
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: and then you've got at Joe Burrow, at Mahomes and

1519
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,919
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, and then Kevin O'Connell and then Jayden Daniels

1520
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,440
Speaker 1: on the road and at Philadelphia.

1521
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 2: Detroit needs to win. Chicago would like to win.

1522
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: But Chicago's got the Cowboys coming up, the Raiders coming up,

1523
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: and then a bye week. And I also think Detroit's

1524
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: about winning games at this stage in their development. Chicago's

1525
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:26,919
Speaker 1: about getting Caleb Williams right. So you can deny it's

1526
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: not panic mode. But I'm going to stay away from

1527
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 1: this game. But if I had to take a side,

1528
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: I do think urgency matters, and I think Detroit is

1529
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: the side here. I think Detroit you can tell your

1530
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,959
Speaker 1: players we're not in panic mode. Everybody has a schedule

1531
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: in that locker room at Baltimore. Just put a big

1532
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 1: L on your little pocket schedule. Put a big L

1533
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: on that one. I think Detroit's going to come out

1534
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: and it's going to feel like it is a absolute

1535
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,799
Speaker 1: must win game. Teams can say it's must win Chicago,

1536
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: it is for Detroit, or this thing's gonna derail fast.

1537
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: You just watch the Packers. You're gonna be two games back.

1538
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: You want to be two games back by four o'clock.

1539
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: You know, you know Sunday zero and three seasons done.

1540
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: You're not making the playoffs.