WEBVTT - Mister Rider Strong

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<v Speaker 1>Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. So we were

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<v Speaker 1>at nineties con together. Yeah, yeah, was that like two

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<v Speaker 1>months ago? Now? Yeah, okay, and we probably talked about this,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm just gonna lay it down at those two

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<v Speaker 1>nights in the bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the first night we had a really great

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<v Speaker 1>conversation and I came up, we were talking to Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Austin Green. Yeah, and I honestly couldn't remember if we

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<v Speaker 1>had ever met. I don't think we had, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd met Brian, but we never really talked. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I ended up in a conversation with him

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<v Speaker 2>because I was talking to solet who I did know, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and and then he came over and we were and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know, we've never actually met. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we started getting to it. I was like, you're

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<v Speaker 2>a really cool guy, Like how come we've never made

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<v Speaker 2>this connection? And then you joined the conversation. I was like, again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is funny that we're like probably associated together with

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<v Speaker 2>the era and everything, and yeah, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you guys knew each other obviously, but but the fact that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I had never met either of you officially.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't see, Like I can't even see you

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<v Speaker 1>right now, Like I'm so like blind, real blind. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I choose to wear one contact because if I wear two,

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<v Speaker 1>then I have to have readers on all the time

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm old now, uh huh, and I lose them,

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<v Speaker 1>so I just can't do it. So with my one contact,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of I see if there you are. So

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<v Speaker 1>that night at the bar, I saw Brian talking to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have to I have to be honest, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know who he was talking to. And then someone

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<v Speaker 1>said writer Strong was like what And I only knew because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I told you that weekend, I'm huge Kevin Fever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Like huge, So I need from that movie. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god, that was like one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite movies on the theater, like I've seen a

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<v Speaker 1>gazillion and ten times anyway, So okay, So I walked

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<v Speaker 1>up to you and then we started talking and we

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<v Speaker 1>I think had a really good conversation. I remember like

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<v Speaker 1>two percent of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the next night I found you again and

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<v Speaker 1>we continued that conversation. And obviously we both have iHeart

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts and pod meets World is in its six seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, we're doing We're on Yeah, we're we only

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<v Speaker 2>have seven, so we only have like a season and

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<v Speaker 2>a half.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about that a lot. Yeah, like what happens

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<v Speaker 1>next is yeah for nine to two one, omg, we're

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<v Speaker 1>in our seventh season. We only have ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we still don't know. I mean, I'm sort

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<v Speaker 2>of of the mind that we should pick another project,

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<v Speaker 2>like another show to watch because I like it being

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<v Speaker 2>a journey, except that I don't know. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>could just start the show over again, but I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like we'll end up repeating ourselves so much because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't even remember what we said, you know, two

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<v Speaker 2>episodes ago, let alone at this point three years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of things. We did this weird series of

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<v Speaker 2>episodes because Danielle is really to wrestling, like professional wrestling,

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<v Speaker 2>which I know nothing about, like watching or doing it watching,

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<v Speaker 2>and so she she yeah, not doing it, although I

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<v Speaker 2>think she probably does. She says she wants to get

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<v Speaker 2>thrown through a table at one point, because I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that's like a big wrestling thing. Anyway, So she took

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<v Speaker 2>us to WrestleMania, and we did like a series of

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<v Speaker 2>episodes where we just interviewed wrestlers and watched WrestleMania and

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<v Speaker 2>it was definitely not my thing, but it was so

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<v Speaker 2>fun to just the three of us sort of and

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of were like, maybe this is where the

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<v Speaker 2>show goes. We just meet the world, Like we just

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<v Speaker 2>go force each other to do stuff that like, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not into the room. So the idea is like, because

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<v Speaker 2>we have very different tastes even though we're best friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, like Will's really into like geek D

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<v Speaker 2>and D anything that involves like costumes and acting and character,

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<v Speaker 2>which Danielle can't stand. Danielle loves like wrestling and like sports,

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<v Speaker 2>which I know nothing about any either of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I could probably hook them into some

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<v Speaker 2>like deep literary shit that you know, they might not

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<v Speaker 2>be into otherwise, And we just sort of force each

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<v Speaker 2>other to do stuff. That's kind of where we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. But then there were three seasons of

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<v Speaker 1>Girl Meets World.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're not going to do it. Oh wow, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Know it's definitively like no, yeah, I mean maybe years

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<v Speaker 3>from now, but like, it was only ten years ago

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<v Speaker 3>that we were doing that show, and none of us

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<v Speaker 3>have really good memories, Danielle especially, and so for her,

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<v Speaker 3>she's just like from the get go.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, we're not going to really talk about Girl

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<v Speaker 2>Meets World, and we're respecting that. So we'll see if

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<v Speaker 2>it changes with time. I think, you know, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the benefits yeah, no, it's fine. One of the benefits

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<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, recapping a show from the nineties

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to like even the office ladies who do

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<v Speaker 2>their show. You know, it's only ten fifteen years old,

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<v Speaker 2>But as we're talking about thirty years ago, there's like

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<v Speaker 2>a level of remove that we can be I think

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<v Speaker 2>more honest. So maybe when we I had enough distance

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<v Speaker 2>from Girl Meets World and we can look back and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, remember that time when we were in our

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<v Speaker 2>thirties and we did that reboot show, and we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>able to talk about it. But right now, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's still a little there's still some fresh wounds and weirdness.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. Yeah, Okay, can we not talk about Boy

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<v Speaker 1>Meets World anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>No, we can talk about Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't talk about it. No, I don't want to Okay, okay, fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, you want to talk about Cavin Fever again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I don't want to talk to you about

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that everyone talks to you about. Okay, okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to nineties con on that

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<v Speaker 1>second night, yes, okay. So I came away from that

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<v Speaker 1>weekend being like, wow, I really connected with a writer

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<v Speaker 1>strong and no, I did go down the rabbit hole

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<v Speaker 1>of your Instagram. Sorry, yeah, which still I'm perplexed at,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not very I'm getting better. I've decided to like actually

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<v Speaker 2>commit to social media. I know, I know, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's great, you know. I mean, it's a great way

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<v Speaker 2>to actually be able to put your thoughts out there

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<v Speaker 2>and publish your whatever and have a direct connection to

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<v Speaker 2>the fans, which you know, I used to always be

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<v Speaker 2>so scared of. But after doing conventions and then now

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, it's like, actually, these these fans are really

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<v Speaker 2>cool people. I mean, they're I think. I Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>I hated being famous when I was a teenager. I

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<v Speaker 2>hated being famous when I was on Boy Mets World,

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<v Speaker 2>and like I wanted to avoid the spotlight as much

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<v Speaker 2>as possible, and then I think whatever I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>do afterwards, it always felt like, uh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to contend with Boy Meets World as and

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<v Speaker 2>the fandom from that, no matter what else I did.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, I like writing poetry and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>our essays and and it's like if I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to like avoid Boy Meets World, I needed

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<v Speaker 2>to like just stay away from it and prove myself

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<v Speaker 2>in some other way. And then I, you know, Hit

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<v Speaker 2>forty started doing the podcast, and I just started to realize, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is a huge part of my life. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the only reason a lot of these people are

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<v Speaker 2>following me or paying attention to anything I do, and

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<v Speaker 2>I should just kind of embrace it. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>think doing the podcast has really just given me a

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<v Speaker 2>new sense of agency over that part of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like we're kind of controlling the narrative

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that we never felt as kids because

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<v Speaker 2>we were kid actors. You know, you don't ever feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're in control of the project as an actor,

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<v Speaker 2>but especially as a kid. I was thirteen, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was thirteen to twenty and yeah, so well in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>hit I was just like I am anything butt boy me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm so not that guy. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>just come to realize, like, yeah, but the chance even

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<v Speaker 2>if I had continued acting and kept going and kept working,

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<v Speaker 2>the chances of having something that would be that big

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<v Speaker 2>of a hit and that would resonate with audiences are

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<v Speaker 2>so slim, and so you kind of have to embrace

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<v Speaker 2>that at a certain point and say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big part of me in my career

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<v Speaker 2>and who I am as an artist, and hopefully there's

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<v Speaker 2>enough people that that will want to follow me into

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<v Speaker 2>whatever else I do next, my writing, directing, whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like and if not, okay, but you know, to completely

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<v Speaker 2>shut everybody out right, So yeah, it's yeh, it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a shift.

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<v Speaker 1>So we talked about being ninety stars. I always feel

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<v Speaker 1>so weird talking like stars. I immediately want to be like, no, no, no, sorry, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not considering myself a star. I'm not And this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is why I'm having this conversation with you

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently the world. But it's a very small understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of what actually went into it, because you don't feel,

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<v Speaker 1>at least I didn't at Liberty to be like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, we went through something that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it was like really hard and people were like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>boo hoo, as we're famous, right, right, So I struggle

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<v Speaker 1>with that all the time. Okay, so we did talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this. What do you remember from us talking that weekend?

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<v Speaker 2>We came up with a pitch from movies. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>our show it could go either way. Yeah, that was that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was most of the second night was like riffing

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<v Speaker 2>on that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot we talked about ihearder connection there

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast and like what happens when those show's over

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<v Speaker 1>and the rewatch? And then like, right, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>keep doing podcasts. We enjoy it talking to people and connecting.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, and Nineties Con. I mean that was my

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<v Speaker 2>third nineties con and I can't believe people are coming

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<v Speaker 2>back and they're coming to my table for a second

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<v Speaker 2>or third time. It's like it's becoming kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>the ren Fair, you know, it's like, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is just a regular thing that everyone checks in

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<v Speaker 2>off because they want to relive the nineties. I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I never thought that, but you know what, I and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess if I if I think about it, when

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<v Speaker 2>we were in the nineties, like people really worship the

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<v Speaker 2>sixties and the seven So if there had been like

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<v Speaker 2>a convention for the seventies, I bet you a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people would have gone to.

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<v Speaker 1>It, right, Like, yeah, I feel like those still exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, it's just bizarre to be a participant

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<v Speaker 2>and also sort of an object, you know, within that convention.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean the people are coming there too,

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<v Speaker 2>like so I'm sort of you know, we're we're there

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<v Speaker 2>as part of the like window dress set of nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also we're real human beings. So it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting dynamic. And again, like when I started

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<v Speaker 2>doing conventions, I thought I would hate them because I

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<v Speaker 2>was so scared of same fans and like what, But

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<v Speaker 2>the interactions are incredibly positive and and I think part

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<v Speaker 2>of the fear for me, which I'm sure you experienced too,

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<v Speaker 2>is that back in the day, our fans were teenagers,

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<v Speaker 2>and teenagers don't know how to be like and when

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<v Speaker 2>they see somebody famous or they recognize from the television,

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<v Speaker 2>they they freak out, like you know, but adults are

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool. They can just be like, hey, I like

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<v Speaker 2>your show. You're like, oh, thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's positive if our fans are not teenagers, anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>They're Yeah, they're in their forties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the fifties, Yeah, and they still kind of

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<v Speaker 1>freak out.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess maybe, like if it's a completely random context,

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<v Speaker 2>like recognize on the street, but when you're at a convention, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's completely controlled. It's like, Hi, this is I am

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<v Speaker 2>here for this reason. You are here to say hi

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<v Speaker 2>to me. You take a photo, whatever, sign an autograph,

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<v Speaker 2>and we talk for a little bit, and it feels

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, for me, it's like been the best

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<v Speaker 2>way to navigate that relationship, and it's been really positive.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think if I don't think I know how

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<v Speaker 1>to navigate it, I think that's where I'm stuck, really stuck. Reterstaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm stuck.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do when people recognize you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I immediately turn on and it's totally genuine, and

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<v Speaker 1>I give myself.

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<v Speaker 2>But I give.

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<v Speaker 1>Myself in such a way that it's like you could

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<v Speaker 1>probably do with like pulling that back away thirty Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I overgive to the point where I'm standing

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<v Speaker 1>there with these people for like an hour and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know when to say goodbye. This is why I

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<v Speaker 1>don't talk on the phone. I hate the phone, my wife,

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<v Speaker 1>really because I don't know how to say goodbye or

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<v Speaker 1>get off the phone, and I don't know what that

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<v Speaker 1>comes from. Okay, So I saw Taylor Strong, Taylor Strong.

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<v Speaker 1>I just literally got you married to Taylor Swift, which

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor's strong. I mean, it's just like when I met

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<v Speaker 1>Channing Tatum, when I fucking stumbled over my words. Yeah, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I met you. So I'm meaning you for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Swift. You saw Taylor Swift my future wife?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, your future second wife? How would your wife feel

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<v Speaker 1>about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Not good? Yeah, losing out to Taylor Swift. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that celebrities people are famous are stuck at

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<v Speaker 1>the point they became famous in some way emotionally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I think it could.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the entire kind of four out of years of

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<v Speaker 1>your So like if you were thirteen, Like, do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're stuck at thirteen or do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like fifteen?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably stuck at fifteen. I mean, oh boy, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. But I mean, luckily I was pretty mature

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<v Speaker 2>for my age, like a lot of us kid actors, like, so,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like my fifteen is probably pretty mature. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I still feel like a teenager pretending to be an

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<v Speaker 2>adult sometimes not all the time, but sometimes, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>and I definitely felt that way in my twenties. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like because everyone, I mean, the jobs I

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<v Speaker 2>kept getting were still like playing in high school or

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<v Speaker 2>it was still being treated and I still had a

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<v Speaker 2>baby face. I looked like a kid, and it just sucked.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the worst. But yeah, I mean, I definitely yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>going back and doing the podcast with Will and Danielle,

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<v Speaker 2>Will was sixteen when the show started, and that makes

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<v Speaker 2>a big difference. He's definitely like he was more of

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<v Speaker 2>an adult, even though he's still wasn't in some ways,

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<v Speaker 2>but like who he was was kind of the same.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still the same person that he was when the

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<v Speaker 2>show started, whereas like Danielle was a completely different new

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<v Speaker 2>She was twelve and she had no idea. She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even know she wanted to be an actor. Really, she's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of you know, she's become the most famous and

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<v Speaker 2>the most recognizable, and so I think for her it's

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<v Speaker 2>been the biggest transition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, would your wife concur with that that you're somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally stunted at fifteen?

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<v Speaker 2>No, she wouldn't say emotionally stunted.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only saying emotionally stunted because Taylor Strong said those

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<v Speaker 1>exact words. So now it's all I can think about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I'm emotionally stunted at sixteen night.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait what, Yeah, I don't know. I mean I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's more it's more like a matter of POV

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<v Speaker 2>than emotional stunting. Like I definitely feel like something something

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<v Speaker 2>so drastically changed in my life right Like I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing plays and being an actor and wanting to do

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<v Speaker 2>movies and TV shows and stuff basically for fun, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not really thinking about the end result, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes a hit show, becomes my life, becomes what is

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<v Speaker 2>going to define me for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like there's like the the fifteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old point of view is still kind of like wide eyed, going,

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<v Speaker 2>can you believe this happened to you? And but I emotionally,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that I've matured enough. But I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think my wife, especially when we first met, like she

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<v Speaker 2>had never watched the show, never really knew about boy

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<v Speaker 2>Meet's world, and I loved that, Like that was like

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<v Speaker 2>a great thing for us, and so I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>been it's been a times difficult for her to have

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<v Speaker 2>to suddenly deal with it again, like that this part

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<v Speaker 2>of my life that when we came together was like

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<v Speaker 2>this is over, this is never gonna you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Girl Meets the World comes along and I'm suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>directing a bunch of that and that becomes a huge

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<v Speaker 2>part of my life. And then now the podcast and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, right, well, we kind of can't avoid it.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's been great about it, but I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>there have been times when it's like, really, we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>this again, We're still talking about this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I know, like what happens when you go

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<v Speaker 1>to the supermarket.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get recognized that much. When I when I

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<v Speaker 2>shaved earlier this year for the first time in like

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen years, I definitely got recognized more. And then

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<v Speaker 2>it was like it was then and I had like

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<v Speaker 2>hair similar to when I was on the show, So

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<v Speaker 2>that was you know, But no, in La, people if

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<v Speaker 2>they recognize me, I don't think they say anything. But

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<v Speaker 2>you leave La and it's a whole other world, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like so if I'm yeah, if we're traveling at all,

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, then people are cool. People are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're just shocked and then they want to take

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<v Speaker 2>a picture and they're nice.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, I'm trying to make some connection here between us, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like a deeper one that Yeah. Do you remember what

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed being like trapped in the nineties, trapped kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like that persona of not being able to move

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<v Speaker 1>forward because that's what people remember you as and you

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<v Speaker 1>have to go back to it. Do you remember what

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Green said?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>He said yeah, because I was like, oh, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is Yeah. Second night, I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>writer and I were talking about this in generally Green

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<v Speaker 1>and so let and like it's like we're all stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in this thing that we don't even know what happens,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're in it, and it's hard to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else about it because they can't quite understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like I always say to people, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>when you're into high school with each other, and it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something way different than that. And Brian said he

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<v Speaker 1>likened it to being in a plane crash, right, which

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<v Speaker 1>is how I think you and I maybe start talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this TV show that we're going to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to bring up because we're manifesting it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then if we bring it up here, no one can

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<v Speaker 1>steal it from Okay, Okay, that's my story. I'm sticking

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<v Speaker 1>to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is, right, I mean, because it's there is.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you told that to fans, which I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we're telling this to fans right now, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if they'd be pissed, like you guys think of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it was the best ten years of our lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys considered it a plane crash survivors.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the key and I read this somewhere else

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<v Speaker 2>to this. I'm not going to take credit for this,

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<v Speaker 2>but someone I saw someone had written the phrase fame

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<v Speaker 2>is trauma, and that really resonated with me. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that for everybody, even if it's good, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's what you want, the moment you really

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<v Speaker 2>get fame, it's it's it's just a traumatic experience. You

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<v Speaker 2>can come out of it, but it's always going to

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<v Speaker 2>have that like that echo, you know, if like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>remember when life felt private or when it felt like

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<v Speaker 2>I was still an individual, you know, going around in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, and like hoping to like send a message

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<v Speaker 2>out and then suddenly it's like, oh god, it reached everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know, it's a it's a jarring experience. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think people don't you know, I it's it sucks

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<v Speaker 2>to be complaining about fame.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't even know how to broach it now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sounding like a dick.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. It's but there is also the extra wrinkle

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<v Speaker 2>for us, specifically that we were children, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>were teenagers, and I think coming at it as an adult,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, this is why, like I had

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<v Speaker 2>to stop acting because when I started dating my wife,

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<v Speaker 2>who's an actress, she had such thick skin about the

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<v Speaker 2>life of being an actor, and she had such an

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<v Speaker 2>awareness of what the job acts is what it requires,

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<v Speaker 2>and she wants it like and she'll do she'll act

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<v Speaker 2>in anything, like you know, she just wants to always

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<v Speaker 2>be loves the auditions, loves the process. And I hated

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<v Speaker 2>all of it unless I was on the job, like

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<v Speaker 2>working on set, the auditions, the rejection, like all the

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<v Speaker 2>things that came along with it. And I realized, like, right,

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<v Speaker 2>if I had decided to do this as an adult,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would have a healthier approach to this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But instead it was sort of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I and so for for a lot of ways, acting

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<v Speaker 2>was broken for me. You know. It's like, oh, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit of a bummer because I think like,

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<v Speaker 2>if I, let's say, boyme's world hadn't happened, I probably

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<v Speaker 2>would have just kept doing plays and guest stars and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe decided to be an actor in my twenties and

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<v Speaker 2>really come at at hard and like had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fun, had a great career. I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 2>as it is, it's like everything no no.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean I end it. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>my stories. I don't know. I got through this all

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<v Speaker 1>the time in my head because there's no one else

0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I can really talk to about it. Thanks for being

0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:14.440
<v Speaker 1>here and playing this game. But yeah, I'm just like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of came into this world with eyes on

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<v Speaker 1>me because of my dad. So but nine of two

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.720
<v Speaker 1>when it was a whole different ballgame. So yeah, from

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen to twenty six, I was like released at twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six and that fucked me, like yeah, because I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I went I was like, oh, yeah, every

0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 1>show gets picked up and runs this long right show,

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:41.200
<v Speaker 1>it runs this popular, and then you do a couple

0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:42.800
<v Speaker 1>of pilots that don't get picked up. You do it

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, this is the life. This is the actual life,

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<v Speaker 2>the actual I know. See. That was my problem too,

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.760
<v Speaker 2>is like I so I immediately went to school in

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<v Speaker 2>New York and then took a semester off to go

0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.359
<v Speaker 2>make Cabin Fever. Thinking because it was right after nine

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<v Speaker 2>to eleven, I was like, I want to get out

0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.600
<v Speaker 2>of new work. Anyway, when did this little movie? Had

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<v Speaker 2>so much fun making it, and then it became like

0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the dream indie horror film. You know, we made it

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<v Speaker 2>for less than two million dollars. A bidding war broke

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 2>out over at a Toronto so and again I was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like, yeah, well this is what happens when

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<v Speaker 2>you do indie films. So it was like two right

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<v Speaker 2>back to back. And then I went back to college

0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.840
<v Speaker 2>like told agents and everything, well I'm not I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to finish school, which is the dumbest thing you could do,

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<v Speaker 2>because what you want to do is strike when the

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<v Speaker 2>iron is hot, you know, like keep up your career.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, no, I'm not doing anything. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, and so then I got out of

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:40.520
<v Speaker 2>college at twenty four and started auditioning and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it really just like three years later after well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I started because boy mean's world ended. I was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty and then I went to school for the next

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:53.760
<v Speaker 2>four years and then yeah, and then then I started

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.439
<v Speaker 2>doing the real work, which is like you're in movie

0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that nobody notices, then a worse movie that you don't

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 2>have any fun, and nobody notices that an even worse movie,

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.639
<v Speaker 2>and you're just like, oh my god, like and I

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:09.320
<v Speaker 2>just realized, like I was becoming that bitter actor like

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I was. So there was this awful moment on a

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:21.159
<v Speaker 2>set where I've been doing this stunt filled wakeboarding movie

0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:26.080
<v Speaker 2>and it was everything was falling apart in the production. Yeah,

0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:28.880
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was actually a great group of cast,

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:30.359
<v Speaker 2>like I love the people I was working with, but

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 2>the production itself was a disaster. Everything was going, but

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:35.760
<v Speaker 2>the crew quit the second day because they had all

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>been film students who had been roped into working for free,

0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 2>and they realized it was an actual job. They left.

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.920
<v Speaker 2>At one point, I was left on a boat without

0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:45.679
<v Speaker 2>anybody showing me how to drive it. Or where to

0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.400
<v Speaker 2>park it, and like they were shooting for us from

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.480
<v Speaker 2>the shore and then they were like, all right, we

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 2>got the shot and then the whole crew just left

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.679
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I left me, me and one

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:57.399
<v Speaker 2>other actor in the boat. I like, I was a,

0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.679
<v Speaker 2>what is going on? Why isn't anybody you know? And

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 2>like and I stormed after my trailer, No, stormed off

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.160
<v Speaker 2>into my trailer. I get there, and then they wanted

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.160
<v Speaker 2>me to do like behind the scenes like interview, and

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.240
<v Speaker 2>They're pounding on my trailer door and I was so

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 2>I was just lying there, so furious, and I was like,

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:17.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm not coming out of this trailer. And I was like,

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.639
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I've become that guy, Like I'm the

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 2>actor who won't leave his trailer and like you hear

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>that story. You you always heard about like leave for

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 2>his trailer for three days and you know, and it's

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 2>like because in a lot of ways, that becomes the

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 2>only power an actor has. Is like they just shut

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 2>down all production because they're like, get everything ready and

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not coming out. And it's such a petty, awful

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 2>thing to do. And it comes from insecurity and bitterness

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:47.320
<v Speaker 2>and lack of control all the things that you know

0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 2>can happen to actors, and I just found myself in

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 2>the heart of it, and I was like, I can't

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.439
<v Speaker 2>do this anymore. Like I can't, this is just going

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:55.919
<v Speaker 2>to get worse and worse. For the most part. I mean,

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 2>I've acted in stuff that friends have like made or

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, written for me. But yeah, like from that,

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 2>pretty much, from that moment on, I was like, I'm

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:06.359
<v Speaker 2>not even I'm not gonna audition anymore. I'm not going

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 2>to do this. I'm just gonna gonna take a break.

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.120
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I started directing stuff, and I really

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 2>love directing because I feel like I can get the

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:20.159
<v Speaker 2>same high that I did from acting without having to

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 2>be the one acting. When I'm directing something like I'll

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>wake up before call and I'll have like that anxiety

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 2>and nerves and all the things I'm supposed to feel,

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:32.199
<v Speaker 2>and then I'll be like, wait, I don't have to

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 2>be on camera today, and it all goes away. And

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, and it's like, you know they say that

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 2>like the the nervous system, like the the way our

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 2>bodies feel excitement and nervousness is are identical, and you

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 2>just interpret it. One is like fear and anxiety, and

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the other is like I'm excited to go do this thing,

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 2>and like that's what the switch for me. It's like

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>if I'm directing, I'm like worked up, but it's all positive.

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 2>It's all like, I'm just so excited to do this

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and you know, face these challenges today, whereas when I

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:04.159
<v Speaker 2>think about being on camera having to act, it's pure

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 2>like oh god, nervousness, anxiety, like this is going to

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 2>be awful and yeah it's too.

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Bad, because it is too bad. But you'll get over

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 1>that when we do this show and you're going to

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>be on camera, right, yeah?

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:19.439
<v Speaker 2>Is it a show or is it a movie? It

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 2>was a movie? Yeah, and I'm playing myself right A

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.439
<v Speaker 2>version aversion. Yeah.

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>So this idea, So this idea became something because we

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 1>were all, well, we chose to be in that bar

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 1>those two nights talking about our lives as ninety stars

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 1>and how that is kind of the one decade people

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>really have embraced. Like it's not even why two K

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's different and I don't know if television

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.439
<v Speaker 1>was different back then. I'm not sure the reason, but

0:26:54.920 --> 0:27:00.119
<v Speaker 1>all these nineties stars and we were in a showind

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 1>of trapped, isn't it just like we're trapped back in

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the nineties. I was drunk.

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.199
<v Speaker 2>We I don't know if we actually nailed that, but

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.239
<v Speaker 2>the idea was that a bunch of us are somewhere together, right,

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 2>and it's pure knives out style murder mystery.

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Right. We talked Agatha Christie, Yes, we talked Lost.

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it was like, yeah, you get fifteen of

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>us and we're all at a convention or shooting something

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 2>or doing some reason that we're all stuck together, and

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.399
<v Speaker 2>then we start getting murdered one by one.

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Now murder only came up because you like horror murder.

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I do too, Yeah, yeah, no, So we got

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.239
<v Speaker 1>excited about that, like you know, Agatha Christie, and then

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>there were none like one by one. But I just

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>know I came back from that weekend a little like

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I was exhausted.

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:49.119
<v Speaker 2>And it was a good week and it was it

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 2>was by far my favorite nineties gone. Yeah. So it

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 2>was a good time.

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 1>But I couldn't get you out of my brain. And

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because Easton's here and I read Easton. I

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 1>was like right or strong, And I reached out to

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Amy too, and she was like wait, wait, you know

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.880
<v Speaker 1>he's married with a kid. I was like, no, no disrespect,

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Like it's not that. I was like, I'm obsessed with

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>his brain, but I'm not sure, Like we just connected

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, yeah, I was like he's great, and yeah

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.439
<v Speaker 1>I thought about like sliding into your DMS, but then

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. But I couldn't. That's why I wanted to

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>do this podcast with you in person, because I wanted

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to be like, one, what the fuck did we talk about?

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't really remember, and but we nailed it.

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 1>And two I was just like, ugh, I don't know.

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>We just had this connection. Imagine you're like I had

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>no connection with you.

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.479
<v Speaker 2>I know I did. It was totally likewise. I mean

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>that's why I remember telling people when I got home.

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Tori spelling really cool and really I'm like, yeah,

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>it's really cool. And Brian Austin Green like I've never

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 2>met these people and like actually bonded and had a

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 2>good weekend. It was really fun.

0:28:50.880 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, So I reached out to Generally Green this

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>morning and sole Ley Moonfry and I was like, Hey,

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>do you guys want to enlighten me? Because I'm actually

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>we've had to cancel this once before my fault, and

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>like we're actually doing it today and I want to

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>ask him, but I don't remember much from it. And

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Jenna was like that friend that like, oh, I got

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 1>your back. She's like, here's what you guys were talking about.

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I remember all that. She said, Yeah,

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you're I think you're fine, And so

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Lea's like, no, no, I'm not going to mention anything.

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>She's like, you should just go in and ask him.

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>She's such a storyteller and friend that I'll push you

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>out of your comfort zone to get the story that.

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, fair, good for you.

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But I feel like since I have been thinking

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>about this idea and I feel like it's a little

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>bit of it could go on many seasons.

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's scary.

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>But what if it was all of us and since

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>we're somehow trapped in this nineties period that we can't

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>get past, we're kind of trapped in people's lives as

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>what we were and that's how they remember us, and

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>we're like heroes to them that we never asked for

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:08.479
<v Speaker 1>these superpowers because they're really dysfunctional superpowers. What if it

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 1>was like, let's say there's fifteen like you said, or

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>like ten of us whatever, and each season could be

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>us trapped in like a different TV show, so it

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>could be like Knives Out. It could be and then

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>there were none like I get the Christie clue, like

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the first season, but until they say, in this lifetime,

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>like you keep like me, for instance, I picked somehow

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the wrong men over and over. No disrespect to my ax,

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 1>he would tell you the same, but like until I

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>have to really resonate and like listen to myself and

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>figure out why I keep choosing these people over and over.

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>So what if in this lifetime we keep every season

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>we're in this in it just becomes more like Groundhog's

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Day like, but.

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>So each season we're trapped in a different TV different

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>TV show from the nineties, or we're jumping from are

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>we time travel or we kind of like it's it's now.

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 2>It's starting to sound like what was it the Wanda

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Vision Show where she's like in a sitcom?

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 1>No good, talk me through this because.

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 2>I watched like one or two episodes, but she apparently

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 2>was like traveling through different TV shows as a character.

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, So no, we never say it's another

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 1>TV show. It's just a situation that might liken two right,

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe like in one season we should be on an island,

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, is it lost? I don't know?

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Is it right? Right?

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:35.479
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 1>You're playing you don't?

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, it needs some work. I need some work. I

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 2>still like the idea of just a straight up movie

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>like Bodies, Bodies, Bodies Knives out, like an old school

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, just we're all in a mansion, we're all

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>at a convention. Keep it limited location and just tell

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 2>one because I mean, once we start killing people, you know,

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 2>hard to keep that on for multiple seasons.

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>What if we don't kill people?

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, then it's a different show.

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was really good and we killed people.

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like I like people dying. I like horror films.

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Same yeah, okay, it would be a different horror film

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>each season. Okay, now we're getting too But do people

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>want a metaverse like that's the big I mean, we

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>did the nine two and zero reboot, which I don't

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>think people loved it.

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 2>When was that?

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>That was in twenty nineteen and Jenny Garth and I

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>created it and it was based on us playing a

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 1>version of ourselves getting back together to do a reboot

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 1>right right, And it just I feel like people were

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>like some people were like, oh, that was so creative

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and that was so cool instead of a straight up reboot,

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and but most fans were like, we wanted you to.

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Play that actually, dude, right right, And.

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:51.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like, but did you like what? I mean? I

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>know you guys did go back and play those characters,

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>but I'm scared to go back and play those characters. Yeah,

0:32:56.200 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't great because you can't create that time again.

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I feel

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>like there have been alternative takes on Boy Meets World

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>that we've had, like on during our podcast where we're like,

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 2>what if we went to mister Feenie the teacher's life

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>as a young teacher and like do something like that

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>and make it like a single camera drama show or

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, like do a new interpretation of some aspect

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 2>of it. But yeah, I just don't think you can

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 2>recapture the magic of whatever it was that happened that

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 2>first time.

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>So Okay, good, we're getting far. We have to play ourselves.

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, yeah, a version part of it and how

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>meta you want to go. I don't know. Everything's meta

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>these days. Oh no, it's hard for me to watch

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 1>TV shows now.

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't watch TV at all. I know that's good, but.

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't really good. It's like creative as fuck.

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>But what I don't like is I like stories that

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 2>close but end. You know, this is part of my

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 2>resistance to making it a show is like, I hate

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 2>the way every everything is like an hour long and

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 2>then come back next week you gotta find out more.

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm just I feel manipulated. I'm like, I am exhausted.

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I always tap out of a show at three episodes

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, no, I can see they're going to

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 2>drag this out for another ten episodes and not get somewhere.

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>TV shows are really weird now. I find it interesting,

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Like watching streaming all the time. There's so many shows

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:38.359
<v Speaker 1>that I'm fascinated by, and I love how visually I'm

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>on board there in the style, and I like the humor.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I like where it goes. But I'm like, God, how

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>do I say this nicely? How does the average person?

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>You have a long, hard day at work, you live

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>in Middle America, you come home, right? Is that the

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>world you want to see?

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I leave empty for these shows, think so

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.839
<v Speaker 2>I think that's right. Well, that's why I think that

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 2>like old school networks, I mean, the classic networks are

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>still showing hospital shows, cop shows, like more sort of comforting,

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, all wrapped one mystery a week, wrapped up

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 2>within the week. And then there's you know, the comedies.

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>They don't do multi camera anymore. But I think people

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I know, but it's it's just a dated form, you know.

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like sitting around listening to the radio would have

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 2>felt in the seventies. You know, it's like people still

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 2>doing this. Maybe I don't know. I mean, I think

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>there will always be a certain place for a sitcom.

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Right now it seems to be kids television. But it

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 2>was comforting, right like every week thirty minutes, wrap everything up.

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to have seen the previous episode, you

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>don't have to watch the next one. You can just

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 2>enjoy it, like tune your brain out. That's what people,

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:55.399
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people want.

0:35:55.680 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. A theme song mm hmm. I never

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>watched your show.

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 2>We went through a couple of different ones, but yeah,

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 2>we ended up with one that and this boy Meets Word.

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Easton. Yeah, yeah, that was the last the last

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 2>two seasons. That was our theme song, so that retroactively

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 2>has become our theme song. Yeah, okay.

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Right before you got here, Easton informed me of something

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>very knowledgeable about what you said.

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm a boy Top two top two episodes.

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 4>There was like a poll or a survey or something,

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 4>and it was like, what nineties shows do you people

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 4>want to come back? And the top two was Beverly

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 4>Hills nine or two, I know, and Boy Meets World.

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Now, if you told him this on his podcast, you

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>would have.

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Flipped it, flipped it. Yeah, it was Boy Meets World.

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Then well he said, I won't tell you which one

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 1>was number one. I'm like, oh god, it's Boy Meets World.

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 2>And he was like yes, and that's oh interesting. But

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 2>did come back? Didn't it? Hasn't it been? There's been

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 2>new versions of it. You did your reboot right.

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:09.240
<v Speaker 1>In twenty nineteen, but like in two thousand and seven

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 1>or eight?

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I Yeah. Yeah, how long did that last?

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I say it like, I don't know, but I'm really

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 1>weird with dates. I remember everything. I think they did

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>like six seasons. Oh wow, okay, I was on it

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>for two episodes, but they like wrote like Jenny was

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>on it and her mom died on the show. I

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>got cancer and died, And it's hard for people to

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>be like, wait, that wasn't the real nine two or no,

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>how could they make decisions about OG characters like in

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.479
<v Speaker 1>it Brian and I, David and Donna are like getting

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>a divorce and we have one kid, and it's like,

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 1>but they can they do that? Can they make that up?

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>So we're like, so we tend to as like OG

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 1>cast members be like, oh, we can rewrite it any

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>way we want.

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 2>So the show ended when your show end.

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 1>It ended, and whatever happens happens, but we don't have

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>to go by that. But yeah, it was super successful,

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>but it's because that cast became successful, So it wasn't

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 1>really a reboot, right if it's a whole new cast

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>which is a couple spin off characters.

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 2>But that's so interesting that this poll landed with two

0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:27.319
<v Speaker 2>high school shows that the things that because like they

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't say friends, they didn't say Seinfeld. There's a lot

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 2>of great nineties shows, but when people are asked like

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 2>what will I think, it's like the very unique position

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that both of our shows hat even though they were

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 2>very different. Ours was comedy, yours was drama. I think

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 2>when you are a teenager or your kid and you

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 2>back then actually sat in your living room with your

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:56.880
<v Speaker 2>family and watched other teenagers, you identified with them so strongly.

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 2>And that's like, I think that's a particular nature of

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>our fame too. It's like we weren't movie stars, you know,

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 2>like if you're a movie star, you're kind of like

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.319
<v Speaker 2>on a palace stool. But when you're a TV star

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.760
<v Speaker 2>from the nineties, it's like you're part of the family.

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 2>They can like they I don't know, it's a different relationship.

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, they've invited you into the house, you've come.

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 2>You came into their house almost uninvited, and so there's

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 2>like a level of like, you know, in some ways

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 2>that's great because there's a real intimacy there. In other

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 2>ways it's like, you know, like it can lead to

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 2>like a different type of relationship. You know, like they

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 2>don't even think of you as an actor. They think

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 2>of you as just the character, and you were just

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 2>that person, and like.

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's happened to me, happens to you sometimes?

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Well, I mean, yeah, I think people just

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 2>assume there's no difference, you know, that I wasn't really

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 2>acting and acting. I was just a kid who showed

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.799
<v Speaker 2>up and lived on in front of the camp, which

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous. But I think if people really think it's

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 2>they Yeah, I think that's how they conceive of me.

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>That's okay. That's interesting because I often think about the

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>movies that were huge in the nineties. Why is it

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>a different feeling than like the TV shows. Yeah, it's

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>because we were there. They grew up with us, We

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:12.919
<v Speaker 1>grew up with them, and we were on their TV

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>with their family. Yeah, and that's something they want to

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 1>hold on to. That's nostalgia.

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Why is nostalgia so big right now? Like why

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>did it take this? Well?

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 2>All right, I have a couple of theories. Now, I

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:35.320
<v Speaker 2>have a couple theories. One, I don't think it's a coincidence.

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>It's the nineties. I think pre cell phones is like

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>the essential element and pre social media obviously, but like

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 2>before you could really live in a virtual space for

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 2>fifty percent of your life, if not more, And I

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 2>think we're all hungry for that, Like we missed the

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 2>times of you know, real in person interaction, you know,

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 2>waiting for people, not knowing if somebody's gonna call you

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 2>back or they We weren't constantly in contact. I think

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:11.240
<v Speaker 2>that's a really calm mindset that we missed. I think

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 2>it was a peaceful time, no wars. It was a

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 2>very like wonderful decade as far as you know, economic prosperity.

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Obviously there were lots of problems, but I think for

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 2>most of us, especially those of us who were young,

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>it was a golden age. What else I feel like.

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Like, do you think there's any like coincidence? Like both

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 1>of our shows ended in two thousand and that was

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:43.919
<v Speaker 1>why two k Yeah, like that was the first time

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 1>like all of us were like waste the world, like

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.799
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen? And then it went on, but

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:50.720
<v Speaker 1>it went on differently.

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean really the big change came with nine

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.399
<v Speaker 2>to eleven, right, so it took another year and then

0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, then the world really kind of change it.

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean it's also probably you know, but

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:13.879
<v Speaker 2>I think I think everyone I don't know, I mean

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I've always been pretty nostalgic. I think, so maybe everybody is.

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 2>But I also, you know, there's so much being made,

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 2>so much content out there, and we don't. We no

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 2>longer have the monoculture, right, like the idea of like

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.480
<v Speaker 2>community through everybody's listening to the one song and watching

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:36.320
<v Speaker 2>the one show. And that was a huge part of

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 2>the nineties. You know, it's like any even to the

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 2>extent that we when we were on the air, never

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 2>thought of our show as popular because it was a

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.319
<v Speaker 2>kids show. You know, it was not like I mean,

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be on nine O two one oh

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 2>because it was like real acting and drama and like,

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, that was like where I thought, like everyone

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.399
<v Speaker 2>should you know, that's where I wanted to be, sort

0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 2>of just not realizing that there was a whole generation

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 2>of teenagers and younger watching our show and holding on

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.919
<v Speaker 2>to it, you know, and who would you know. So yeah,

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>like in the monoculture of the nineties, we were like

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 2>low on the total. But I think in general now

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 2>everybody wants that monoculture back. They want to like feel

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a part of something. I mean, you see how big

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.320
<v Speaker 2>it seems like, you know, there's this tipping point where

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.399
<v Speaker 2>like Taylor Swift went from being like oh that person

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>everybody's heard too, like the number one you know, only

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.920
<v Speaker 2>concert anybody saw the last three years. And I'm watching

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 2>to happen with Sabrina Carpenter right now, who was on

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Girl Meets World. By the way, everyone forgets that she

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 2>was my daughter on Girl Beats World. But like now

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.319
<v Speaker 2>she's reached such levels of popularity you.

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Can't in the rabbit holes.

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but people want Mono. They like, oh, like the

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 2>whole world is like now loving Sabrina Garmenter, and it's

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 2>like there's a drive towards like let's all share in

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>something together that we all can agree on that we

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 2>all like. But it's only at that like upper upper

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 2>level anymore. It's no longer you know, three networks. It's

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 2>whatever one show everybody's watching this week and then next

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:09.239
<v Speaker 2>week something else.

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>It's a million different shows, and Nicole Kidman starts in

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>all of them. I know she's so much I don't know.

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I really genuinely think she's a great actor obviously, but

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 2>by the time I saw a Baby Girl, I was like,

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.400
<v Speaker 2>are you again? And like I was too over it.

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't enjoy it. Everyone was like it was so cool.

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm just.

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 1>The same way.

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I was, just like, this is not what I expect.

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm just I've seen her and everything,

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know. But she's great. She's great. I

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 2>just don't know how she her. Yeah, you might have

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 2>a chance.

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no is She's in everything, and it's it's disturbing

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>in a way. Yeah. Yeah, but now I'm feeling like

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 1>like I felt like we were always in, but we

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 1>were kind of out, And now everything I turn on

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like everybody from the nineties. Yeah, like boy bands,

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like doing commercials. It's right, yea, this is our

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 1>time to strike, is what I'm saying.

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Right strong, I guess, So, I guess.

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 1>So.

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just hope that it can become a

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:19.920
<v Speaker 2>way to create something new and good. You know, I

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 2>would love for new content to be made, Like I'd

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>love to be a part of, you know, writing, directing,

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 2>not really acting, but doing something creative that isn't just

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 2>nostalgia driven, because that's I don't know. To me, it's

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 2>diminishing returns, like you can only go back so many

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 2>times before it's like, so I don't know, you can

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.840
<v Speaker 2>go home, Okay, So I can just restart my podcast

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 2>rewatch once we finish season seven. Go right back to

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 2>season one, and.

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have to like, what are your choices? I know.

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean we like we started it as like we

0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 2>always said we were gonna it was gonna be a journey,

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>know that it was going We weren't going to put

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 2>expectations on what we how we would feel, and it

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 2>has been. It has been such a crazy journey, so

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 2>many ups and downs and emotional moments, and then going

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 2>live has changed everything. Yeah, yeah, and it's going to

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 2>be very different because the last time we were on

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 2>tour was over a year ago, and we just realized

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 2>that we're like, oh, we have to like figure out

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:23.719
<v Speaker 2>what we're doing this time around, and like what are

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 2>we talking about and what does the show feel like?

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 2>And it feels different, you know, because when we were

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 2>first doing the tour, there was a sense of like

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:33.920
<v Speaker 2>we just discovered Boy Meets World because I had never

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 2>seen the show and so watching it in the podcast

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, this is pretty good, and so it

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 2>was like meeting the fans as a fan too for

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 2>the first time. But now it's feels something different because

0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 2>now we're in season six, which is not as good,

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and and we've been through so much just with the

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.319
<v Speaker 2>podcast that it's it's yeah, the live shows are going

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 2>to feel a little different, I think, I'm sure exactly.

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel like people want to see the three of

0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you do anything together.

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 2>And I'd like to think so. I mean, when you

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>have chemistry, you have chemistry, and like we do, like

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:06.960
<v Speaker 2>it's really it's it's turned out into a great dynamic.

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I you know, when we first were talking about it,

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Will and I realized how good of

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a host Danielle was and an interviewer, and we just

0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 2>had this. We had a couple of meetings and we said,

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, we should have one person sort of anchor

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the point of view and like read the feedback, like

0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 2>read the recaps of the episodes, and we're like, it

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.920
<v Speaker 2>should be Danielle because you were you know, you were

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 2>the youngest uh to be going through this, you know.

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:38.279
<v Speaker 2>And that turned out to be the best decision we

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.919
<v Speaker 2>ever made because she's such a good host and when

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 2>she's like keeping us on point and doing she does

0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:47.440
<v Speaker 2>great interviews, so she can really like sort of be

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 2>the guiding voice. And then Will is so funny, like

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:54.800
<v Speaker 2>he's just off the cuff. His brain just works in

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 2>this crazy way, which I always knew, but I hadn't

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 2>really seen it in action, like performance wise until we

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:03.759
<v Speaker 2>started recording the podcast or doing the live shows. And

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.160
<v Speaker 2>you see him like he just always knows the funniest

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.799
<v Speaker 2>thing like that. Any if somebody says something sets him up,

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 2>and he'll he'll bring callbacks from like twenty minutes ago,

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:16.760
<v Speaker 2>and like he's these layers and then I'm the pretentious asshole.

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 2>So it works out perfectly, like between the three of us.

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's a you know, because I just I'm

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.839
<v Speaker 2>just want mope, bringing everything down and like over analyzing,

0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and they pull me out, and I think, like you know,

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the fans, like our listeners can really it's just a

0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:34.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a good space.

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Like it works out interesting. Yeah, okay, bye, I'm imagine

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that it was fun. Wait. I think I asked sorry,

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:50.839
<v Speaker 1>I got to go back to Henriver one last time.

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I think I asked you this, but I don't remember

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 1>what you told me. Why they've never done a remake

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:55.360
<v Speaker 1>or they did.

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 2>They did a remake which I've never seen kind of intentionally,

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm just avoiding it. They took the exact same script

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:06.719
<v Speaker 2>and reshot it. Yeah, and I just I've never seen it.

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't really want to. I have no idea. I

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>have no idea. I totally avoided it, like it seems

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:18.200
<v Speaker 2>like such a weird project, and it wasn't. As far

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.279
<v Speaker 2>as I know, it wasn't super well received because it

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 2>was like, if you like the original movie, why do this.

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>It's like when they did that Psycho shot for shot remake,

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:28.279
<v Speaker 2>It's like, why, what's the It's kind of like a

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 2>film experiment. But I don't know if it's really appealing

0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:35.920
<v Speaker 2>to anybody, But Cavin Fever was really it's such a

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 2>strange film.

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:42.080
<v Speaker 1>It's I don't necessarily consider it comedy horror, which I know.

0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:45.359
<v Speaker 2>I know, well that's the thing. It's kind of could

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:47.440
<v Speaker 2>go either way. And like when we were doing it,

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:50.719
<v Speaker 2>we were sitting there going, this is funny, right, Like

0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 2>can we play this for a joke? And Eli was

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:56.399
<v Speaker 2>like no, no, no, no, play it straight. And I think

0:49:56.440 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 2>what was happening was he had written a level of

0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 2>comedy into the script, but as we were shooting it,

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 2>there's something about the horror that Eli was tapping into,

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:16.399
<v Speaker 2>which is that like seventies eighties gore nudity, Like it's

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 2>just like oversaturated, you know, it's just like it's not

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 2>just blood, it's blood covering your entire face. And he

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 2>would just on set be bringing that energy. And like

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.840
<v Speaker 2>at the time Saw hadn't come out, like there hadn't

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:32.759
<v Speaker 2>been that type of like really and as like we

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:36.799
<v Speaker 2>started imbuing the whole film with that manic like just

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.880
<v Speaker 2>balls to the wall energy, it became funnier, like and

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.239
<v Speaker 2>then the comedy was coming out of the extremity and

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 2>like everything was funny it so it's like, oh, now

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the kid's gonna scream pancakes and do a karate flip

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's like what that is? No, there's no logic,

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, you know what at this point, just

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 2>go for it, you know, like and so I feel

0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>like there are some people who went in expecting a

0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 2>straight horror film who were just baffled, and then there

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.160
<v Speaker 2>are some people who wanted it to be really like

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:05.399
<v Speaker 2>a comedy horror and they're kind of like, but it's

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:07.680
<v Speaker 2>really gross and awful and a lot of it doesn't

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:11.239
<v Speaker 2>like tonally add up to just comedy. So it's like

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>this weird. I mean, that's why it's kind of a

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:15.279
<v Speaker 2>cult films, because it's like a mashup. You're like, how

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>serious am I supposed to take this? And you know,

0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 2>we just had so much fun. Like I've never now

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I've started to do conventions for Kevin Fever, like going

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.799
<v Speaker 2>to horror conventions, and it's so fun. We get the

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:27.400
<v Speaker 2>cast back together and we just.

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Sit around the task.

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really it's and we're all like, we all

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.000
<v Speaker 2>just love each other so much. And we had this

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:38.600
<v Speaker 2>experience like you know, we're all twenty one, twenty four

0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:43.399
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, and it wasn't even just making the movie.

0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 2>It was also like to have it go from this

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 2>little tiny film that you know, we got shut down

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 2>by the Union, it was never going to get finished

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:53.359
<v Speaker 2>to you know, being in theaters and having a big,

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.160
<v Speaker 2>like a hit horror film was really fun for all

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 2>of us.

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I saw it in the theaters in Westwood.

0:51:58.480 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I can still remember of that. Yeah, it was nice.

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:04.520
<v Speaker 1>And I went to high school with Jordan. I grew

0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:04.880
<v Speaker 1>up with her.

0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh away, yeah, oh her.

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Mom Cheryl lad did Charlie's Angels to my dad. Oh right, okay,

0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 1>so I knew were in that way, and I think

0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:16.120
<v Speaker 1>our parents' house like was next door to each other.

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 1>But there were neighbors because they were so vastly huge.

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:22.240
<v Speaker 1>And then we went to which is now Harvard Westlake,

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:23.719
<v Speaker 1>but we went to school together. She was a year

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 1>younger than me.

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Next and then when she did that, I was like,

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:28.840
<v Speaker 1>oh my god. I was so excited.

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:32.200
<v Speaker 2>She was such a sweetheart. Oh my god. Yeah, she

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:35.840
<v Speaker 2>was like yeah for her and I like the first

0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 2>two weeks of filming because it was like chaos, we

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 2>just like bonded and we were like had each other's backs.

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.920
<v Speaker 2>We got really close. It was fun. Yeah, did you.

0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Ever date the actors?

0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 2>This is my wife.

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 1>That's it.

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:51.440
<v Speaker 2>No, that's not true. Rachel Lee Cook was like my

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 2>first like serious girlfriend when I was sixteen. We dated.

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 1>How'd you forget that for a second.

0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. I just didn't. I mean I

0:52:58.320 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 2>just didn't think about it.

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>But I did a movie with her, like her first movie.

0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:05.800
<v Speaker 1>She's great.

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she we we reconnected. She doesn't she doesn't get

0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.240
<v Speaker 2>done nineties com which doesn't make sense, like they should

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:14.239
<v Speaker 2>do it. She's all that. Really Yeah, but she was

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 2>at a different convention. Oh we did it, And so

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I saw her for the first time since we were

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 2>in our Like maybe i'd seen her in our twenties

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 2>once and it was so great to see her. We

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:30.040
<v Speaker 2>like hung out of this convention and I was there

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 2>with my wife and my kid hanging out in the

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:36.759
<v Speaker 2>green room. She's great. Yeah she's kids, right, Yeah, she's

0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 2>two parents. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it was great to

0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 2>see her. But other than.

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:48.920
<v Speaker 1>That, I don't know anyone. Kevin de Fever, No, I'm.

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:51.759
<v Speaker 2>A cereal serial monogamist. So like, I was always in

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 2>a relationship. You believe that. Yeah, I've been with like

0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:59.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I I had like my first like I

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:01.920
<v Speaker 2>thought in love at eight years old. I was obsessed.

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I was with her really like from thirteen to fifteen,

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.799
<v Speaker 2>and I dated Rachel for over a year then. I mean,

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:13.799
<v Speaker 2>I was just always moving. I was with somebody for

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:21.400
<v Speaker 2>seven years and then met my wife. Yeah. Pretty again.

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I think in part response to the fame thing, Like

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I just like, if I had a relationship, I was like,

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:30.799
<v Speaker 2>lock this in. I'm not taking my chances out there

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.800
<v Speaker 2>in the world because it's you know, it was always

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:39.359
<v Speaker 2>so overwhelming. Like yeah, and I had a really hard

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:45.279
<v Speaker 2>time trusting girls women, you know, like their motivations when

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.279
<v Speaker 2>I was when I was a teenager, it was always.

0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Like understandable and what is you know?

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 2>So always dated people older than me, like everyone besides Rachel.

0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever dated anybody in my own age.

0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:58.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think part of that was because the age

0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 2>cut off meant that they had never seen Point Meets World,

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:04.719
<v Speaker 2>like just automatically. If you were, you know, three years

0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:06.719
<v Speaker 2>older than me, you didn't know the show. So it

0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:08.399
<v Speaker 2>was fine. I was like, so those are the people

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:09.799
<v Speaker 2>I would relate to or connect with.

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:14.800
<v Speaker 1>That's so interesting. Yeah, I've only dated really actors really,

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:18.839
<v Speaker 1>but it's all I ever met. Yeah, I never met

0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:22.799
<v Speaker 1>anybody else. So instinctually somebody recently was like, okay, you're

0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:25.399
<v Speaker 1>single now again, like Korean, I was like, I don't know,

0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 1>like all the actors are taken, they're like actors, and

0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:29.799
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well yeah, and I was like.

0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I can date other people. That's funny.

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I date a real person. Oh my god, they won't

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:38.360
<v Speaker 1>understand my life.

0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:40.279
<v Speaker 2>But it's also just who you meet, right, I mean,

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.000
<v Speaker 2>like even my my seven year relationship with was with

0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody was a PA. You know, That's how I met her.

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:48.000
<v Speaker 2>So it's like that's who you meet. You meet somebody

0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:52.279
<v Speaker 2>and I you know, my my wife and I met

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 2>on a show. Yeah, met on a show. And it's interesting,

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:58.799
<v Speaker 2>like because we talked to some people who are in

0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the industry who are so happy that their partner is

0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 2>not you know that they're like a lawyer or a doctor,

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:08.799
<v Speaker 2>something sensible and like steady, and then they can be

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the wild card whose career fluctuates and never know what's

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. But we really love sort of understanding one another,

0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:19.919
<v Speaker 2>and I mean we talk about work all the time

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's actually really nice. And she opened my eyes

0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:25.920
<v Speaker 2>for like what an actor like, what it means to

0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 2>be a real actor. And that's when I was like,

0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't. I'm not gonna do that. You go, but

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. This is too much. So we I mean,

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:39.000
<v Speaker 2>we really bond over the They create a side, you know,

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:42.399
<v Speaker 2>over the industry and all its turmoil. You know, it's

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:46.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of kind of fun. And yeah, I don't know,

0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:52.319
<v Speaker 2>if you don't watch TV, she watches TV shows. I

0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.759
<v Speaker 2>just don't. I always am like, let's go to Criterion,

0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 2>let's want and she's like, no, I'm not staying up

0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.960
<v Speaker 2>for a three hour movie. But we he definitely agree

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 2>on horror films. We're both like fanatics, so that's like

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.920
<v Speaker 2>our time together. Although now she's got this weird thing

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:11.960
<v Speaker 2>where it's not scary enough if I'm there. So she

0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>likes to watch horror films when I'm out of town

0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and like really get scared because she's alone in the

0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 2>house watching a horror film like this is this is

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 2>some sick shit.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, do you guys let your son watch horror films?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? He well, he doesn't. Well, five Nights of Freddy's

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<v Speaker 2>just like his obsession, so right, but actually, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>saw Jaws at the age of six and loved it

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<v Speaker 2>and was obsessed with it. Like, so he definitely likes

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<v Speaker 2>darker stuff, but he doesn't he doesn't like Gore at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So because I try to show him what we do

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<v Speaker 2>in the Shadows, which I thought was right up his

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<v Speaker 2>alley because he likes he's humorous, and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's vampires. It's ridiculous. But there's like a scene where

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<v Speaker 2>somebody was spurting blood and he was like, turn it off,

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<v Speaker 2>turn it. I was like, okay, So Gore's not cool,

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<v Speaker 2>but like being scared or something, being around the corner

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<v Speaker 2>is cool, So I'm still trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>is the line. But yeah, so far he likes horror.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean my wife's claimed like she watched

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<v Speaker 2>Alien when she was six and loved it, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>like hooked her her entire life. I think it starts

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<v Speaker 2>early if you like horror.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was shown, well I'm older, but Revenge of

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<v Speaker 1>the Body Snatchers I've never seen it. I don't see. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like three.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really into Stephen King too. I read like

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<v Speaker 2>all the Stephen King books. Yeah, so anything horror I love.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, I'm done, now, are you? I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just messing with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks for being on.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wall, How do we continue this conversation about this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't know? I fine, we can make a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>We just gotta you know, you have to rally the

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<v Speaker 2>nineties stars, because I feel like you have much more

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<v Speaker 2>pull and you know, a lot more of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, get a slate together of like ten actors okay

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<v Speaker 2>from different shows who are all willing to be in

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<v Speaker 2>a movie, and then we find somebody to write a scroup.

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<v Speaker 1>And then done. Yeah, perfect, perfect. This is this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sell. This is like yeah, okay, I'm on it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds good, okay perfect Bye bye, m m m m