Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. So we were
Speaker 1: at nineties con together. Yeah, yeah, was that like two
Speaker 1: months ago? Now? Yeah, okay, and we probably talked about this,
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna lay it down at those two
Speaker 1: nights in the bar.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: In fact, the first night we had a really great
Speaker 1: conversation and I came up, we were talking to Brian
Speaker 1: Austin Green. Yeah, and I honestly couldn't remember if we
Speaker 1: had ever met. I don't think we had, which is
Speaker 1: kind of wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd met Brian, but we never really talked. So
Speaker 2: that's why I ended up in a conversation with him
Speaker 2: because I was talking to solet who I did know, right,
Speaker 2: and and then he came over and we were and
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, we've never actually met. And
Speaker 2: then we started getting to it. I was like, you're
Speaker 2: a really cool guy, Like how come we've never made
Speaker 2: this connection? And then you joined the conversation. I was like, again,
Speaker 2: this is funny that we're like probably associated together with
Speaker 2: the era and everything, and yeah, and a lot of
Speaker 2: you guys knew each other obviously, but but the fact that, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had never met either of you officially.
Speaker 1: And I can't see, Like I can't even see you
Speaker 1: right now, Like I'm so like blind, real blind. Well,
Speaker 1: I choose to wear one contact because if I wear two,
Speaker 1: then I have to have readers on all the time
Speaker 1: because I'm old now, uh huh, and I lose them,
Speaker 1: so I just can't do it. So with my one contact,
Speaker 1: I kind of I see if there you are. So
Speaker 1: that night at the bar, I saw Brian talking to you,
Speaker 1: and I have to I have to be honest, I
Speaker 1: didn't know who he was talking to. And then someone
Speaker 1: said writer Strong was like what And I only knew because,
Speaker 1: as I told you that weekend, I'm huge Kevin Fever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fan.
Speaker 1: Like huge, So I need from that movie. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, that was like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies on the theater, like I've seen a
Speaker 1: gazillion and ten times anyway, So okay, So I walked
Speaker 1: up to you and then we started talking and we
Speaker 1: I think had a really good conversation. I remember like
Speaker 1: two percent of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the next night I found you again and
Speaker 1: we continued that conversation. And obviously we both have iHeart
Speaker 1: podcasts and pod meets World is in its six seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, we're doing We're on Yeah, we're we only
Speaker 2: have seven, so we only have like a season and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: We talked about that a lot. Yeah, like what happens
Speaker 1: next is yeah for nine to two one, omg, we're
Speaker 1: in our seventh season. We only have ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we still don't know. I mean, I'm sort
Speaker 2: of of the mind that we should pick another project,
Speaker 2: like another show to watch because I like it being
Speaker 2: a journey, except that I don't know. I mean, we
Speaker 2: could just start the show over again, but I feel
Speaker 2: like we'll end up repeating ourselves so much because you know,
Speaker 2: we don't even remember what we said, you know, two
Speaker 2: episodes ago, let alone at this point three years ago.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about
Speaker 2: all kinds of things. We did this weird series of
Speaker 2: episodes because Danielle is really to wrestling, like professional wrestling,
Speaker 2: which I know nothing about, like watching or doing it watching,
Speaker 2: and so she she yeah, not doing it, although I
Speaker 2: think she probably does. She says she wants to get
Speaker 2: thrown through a table at one point, because I guess
Speaker 2: that's like a big wrestling thing. Anyway, So she took
Speaker 2: us to WrestleMania, and we did like a series of
Speaker 2: episodes where we just interviewed wrestlers and watched WrestleMania and
Speaker 2: it was definitely not my thing, but it was so
Speaker 2: fun to just the three of us sort of and
Speaker 2: we kind of were like, maybe this is where the
Speaker 2: show goes. We just meet the world, Like we just
Speaker 2: go force each other to do stuff that like, we're
Speaker 2: not into the room. So the idea is like, because
Speaker 2: we have very different tastes even though we're best friends,
Speaker 2: and you know, like Will's really into like geek D
Speaker 2: and D anything that involves like costumes and acting and character,
Speaker 2: which Danielle can't stand. Danielle loves like wrestling and like sports,
Speaker 2: which I know nothing about any either of those things.
Speaker 2: And you know, I could probably hook them into some
Speaker 2: like deep literary shit that you know, they might not
Speaker 2: be into otherwise, And we just sort of force each
Speaker 2: other to do stuff. That's kind of where we're like,
Speaker 2: maybe that's the show.
Speaker 1: I like that. But then there were three seasons of
Speaker 1: Girl Meets World.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not going to do it. Oh wow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I.
Speaker 3: Know it's definitively like no, yeah, I mean maybe years
Speaker 3: from now, but like, it was only ten years ago
Speaker 3: that we were doing that show, and none of us
Speaker 3: have really good memories, Danielle especially, and so for her,
Speaker 3: she's just like from the get go.
Speaker 2: She said, we're not going to really talk about Girl
Speaker 2: Meets World, and we're respecting that. So we'll see if
Speaker 2: it changes with time. I think, you know, one of
Speaker 2: the benefits yeah, no, it's fine. One of the benefits
Speaker 2: of like, you know, recapping a show from the nineties
Speaker 2: as opposed to like even the office ladies who do
Speaker 2: their show. You know, it's only ten fifteen years old,
Speaker 2: But as we're talking about thirty years ago, there's like
Speaker 2: a level of remove that we can be I think
Speaker 2: more honest. So maybe when we I had enough distance
Speaker 2: from Girl Meets World and we can look back and
Speaker 2: be like, remember that time when we were in our
Speaker 2: thirties and we did that reboot show, and we'll be
Speaker 2: able to talk about it. But right now, I think
Speaker 2: it's still a little there's still some fresh wounds and weirdness.
Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah, Okay, can we not talk about Boy
Speaker 1: Meets World anymore?
Speaker 2: No, we can talk about Boy.
Speaker 1: We can't talk about it. No, I don't want to Okay, okay, fine.
Speaker 2: Cool, you want to talk about Cavin Fever again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't want to talk to you about
Speaker 1: stuff that everyone talks to you about. Okay, okay, So
Speaker 1: I want to go back to nineties con on that
Speaker 1: second night, yes, okay. So I came away from that
Speaker 1: weekend being like, wow, I really connected with a writer
Speaker 1: strong and no, I did go down the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of your Instagram. Sorry, yeah, which still I'm perplexed at,
Speaker 1: Like it's.
Speaker 2: Not very I'm getting better. I've decided to like actually
Speaker 2: commit to social media. I know, I know, but it's
Speaker 2: it's great, you know. I mean, it's a great way
Speaker 2: to actually be able to put your thoughts out there
Speaker 2: and publish your whatever and have a direct connection to
Speaker 2: the fans, which you know, I used to always be
Speaker 2: so scared of. But after doing conventions and then now
Speaker 2: the podcast, it's like, actually, these these fans are really
Speaker 2: cool people. I mean, they're I think. I Yeah, I
Speaker 2: I hated being famous when I was a teenager. I
Speaker 2: hated being famous when I was on Boy Mets World,
Speaker 2: and like I wanted to avoid the spotlight as much
Speaker 2: as possible, and then I think whatever I tried to
Speaker 2: do afterwards, it always felt like, uh, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I had to contend with Boy Meets World as and
Speaker 2: the fandom from that, no matter what else I did.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I like writing poetry and you know,
Speaker 2: our essays and and it's like if I felt like
Speaker 2: I needed to like avoid Boy Meets World, I needed
Speaker 2: to like just stay away from it and prove myself
Speaker 2: in some other way. And then I, you know, Hit
Speaker 2: forty started doing the podcast, and I just started to realize, like, oh,
Speaker 2: but this is a huge part of my life. This
Speaker 2: is the only reason a lot of these people are
Speaker 2: following me or paying attention to anything I do, and
Speaker 2: I should just kind of embrace it. And then I
Speaker 2: think doing the podcast has really just given me a
Speaker 2: new sense of agency over that part of my life.
Speaker 2: And I feel like we're kind of controlling the narrative
Speaker 2: in a way that we never felt as kids because
Speaker 2: we were kid actors. You know, you don't ever feel
Speaker 2: like you're in control of the project as an actor,
Speaker 2: but especially as a kid. I was thirteen, so it
Speaker 2: was thirteen to twenty and yeah, so well in twenty
Speaker 2: hit I was just like I am anything butt boy me,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm so not that guy. And then you
Speaker 2: just come to realize, like, yeah, but the chance even
Speaker 2: if I had continued acting and kept going and kept working,
Speaker 2: the chances of having something that would be that big
Speaker 2: of a hit and that would resonate with audiences are
Speaker 2: so slim, and so you kind of have to embrace
Speaker 2: that at a certain point and say, you know what,
Speaker 2: this is a big part of me in my career
Speaker 2: and who I am as an artist, and hopefully there's
Speaker 2: enough people that that will want to follow me into
Speaker 2: whatever else I do next, my writing, directing, whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: like and if not, okay, but you know, to completely
Speaker 2: shut everybody out right, So yeah, it's yeh, it's been
Speaker 2: a shift.
Speaker 1: So we talked about being ninety stars. I always feel
Speaker 1: so weird talking like stars. I immediately want to be like, no, no, no, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not considering myself a star. I'm not And this
Speaker 1: is this is why I'm having this conversation with you
Speaker 1: and apparently the world. But it's a very small understanding
Speaker 1: of what actually went into it, because you don't feel,
Speaker 1: at least I didn't at Liberty to be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we went through something that a lot of
Speaker 1: it was like really hard and people were like, oh
Speaker 1: boo hoo, as we're famous, right, right, So I struggle
Speaker 1: with that all the time. Okay, so we did talk
Speaker 1: about this. What do you remember from us talking that weekend?
Speaker 2: We came up with a pitch from movies. I remember
Speaker 2: our show it could go either way. Yeah, that was that.
Speaker 2: That was most of the second night was like riffing
Speaker 2: on that idea.
Speaker 1: There was a lot we talked about ihearder connection there
Speaker 1: this podcast and like what happens when those show's over
Speaker 1: and the rewatch? And then like, right, we want to
Speaker 1: keep doing podcasts. We enjoy it talking to people and connecting.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and Nineties Con. I mean that was my
Speaker 2: third nineties con and I can't believe people are coming
Speaker 2: back and they're coming to my table for a second
Speaker 2: or third time. It's like it's becoming kind of like
Speaker 2: the ren Fair, you know, it's like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: this is just a regular thing that everyone checks in
Speaker 2: off because they want to relive the nineties. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I never thought that, but you know what, I and
Speaker 2: I guess if I if I think about it, when
Speaker 2: we were in the nineties, like people really worship the
Speaker 2: sixties and the seven So if there had been like
Speaker 2: a convention for the seventies, I bet you a lot
Speaker 2: of people would have gone to.
Speaker 1: It, right, Like, yeah, I feel like those still exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, it's just bizarre to be a participant
Speaker 2: and also sort of an object, you know, within that convention.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean the people are coming there too,
Speaker 2: like so I'm sort of you know, we're we're there
Speaker 2: as part of the like window dress set of nineties,
Speaker 2: but it's also we're real human beings. So it's just
Speaker 2: it's an interesting dynamic. And again, like when I started
Speaker 2: doing conventions, I thought I would hate them because I
Speaker 2: was so scared of same fans and like what, But
Speaker 2: the interactions are incredibly positive and and I think part
Speaker 2: of the fear for me, which I'm sure you experienced too,
Speaker 2: is that back in the day, our fans were teenagers,
Speaker 2: and teenagers don't know how to be like and when
Speaker 2: they see somebody famous or they recognize from the television,
Speaker 2: they they freak out, like you know, but adults are
Speaker 2: pretty cool. They can just be like, hey, I like
Speaker 2: your show. You're like, oh, thanks.
Speaker 1: That's positive if our fans are not teenagers, anymore.
Speaker 2: They're Yeah, they're in their forties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the fifties, Yeah, and they still kind of
Speaker 1: freak out.
Speaker 2: I guess maybe, like if it's a completely random context,
Speaker 2: like recognize on the street, but when you're at a convention, right,
Speaker 2: it's completely controlled. It's like, Hi, this is I am
Speaker 2: here for this reason. You are here to say hi
Speaker 2: to me. You take a photo, whatever, sign an autograph,
Speaker 2: and we talk for a little bit, and it feels
Speaker 2: I don't know, for me, it's like been the best
Speaker 2: way to navigate that relationship, and it's been really positive.
Speaker 1: I don't think if I don't think I know how
Speaker 1: to navigate it, I think that's where I'm stuck, really stuck. Reterstaurant,
Speaker 1: I'm stuck.
Speaker 2: What do you do when people recognize you?
Speaker 1: Oh, I immediately turn on and it's totally genuine, and
Speaker 1: I give myself.
Speaker 2: But I give.
Speaker 1: Myself in such a way that it's like you could
Speaker 1: probably do with like pulling that back away thirty Right,
Speaker 1: It's like I overgive to the point where I'm standing
Speaker 1: there with these people for like an hour and I
Speaker 1: don't know when to say goodbye. This is why I
Speaker 1: don't talk on the phone. I hate the phone, my wife,
Speaker 1: really because I don't know how to say goodbye or
Speaker 1: get off the phone, and I don't know what that
Speaker 1: comes from. Okay, So I saw Taylor Strong, Taylor Strong.
Speaker 1: I just literally got you married to Taylor Swift, which
Speaker 1: Taylor's strong. I mean, it's just like when I met
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum, when I fucking stumbled over my words. Yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: I met you. So I'm meaning you for the first time.
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. You saw Taylor Swift my future wife?
Speaker 1: Wow, your future second wife? How would your wife feel
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: Not good? Yeah, losing out to Taylor Swift. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: She said that celebrities people are famous are stuck at
Speaker 1: the point they became famous in some way emotionally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it could.
Speaker 1: Be the entire kind of four out of years of
Speaker 1: your So like if you were thirteen, Like, do you
Speaker 1: feel like you're stuck at thirteen or do you feel
Speaker 1: like fifteen?
Speaker 2: I'm probably stuck at fifteen. I mean, oh boy, I
Speaker 2: don't know. But I mean, luckily I was pretty mature
Speaker 2: for my age, like a lot of us kid actors, like, so,
Speaker 2: I feel like my fifteen is probably pretty mature. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I still feel like a teenager pretending to be an
Speaker 2: adult sometimes not all the time, but sometimes, and like,
Speaker 2: and I definitely felt that way in my twenties. You know,
Speaker 2: it was like because everyone, I mean, the jobs I
Speaker 2: kept getting were still like playing in high school or
Speaker 2: it was still being treated and I still had a
Speaker 2: baby face. I looked like a kid, and it just sucked.
Speaker 2: It was the worst. But yeah, I mean, I definitely yeah,
Speaker 2: going back and doing the podcast with Will and Danielle,
Speaker 2: Will was sixteen when the show started, and that makes
Speaker 2: a big difference. He's definitely like he was more of
Speaker 2: an adult, even though he's still wasn't in some ways,
Speaker 2: but like who he was was kind of the same.
Speaker 2: He's still the same person that he was when the
Speaker 2: show started, whereas like Danielle was a completely different new
Speaker 2: She was twelve and she had no idea. She didn't
Speaker 2: even know she wanted to be an actor. Really, she's
Speaker 2: sort of you know, she's become the most famous and
Speaker 2: the most recognizable, and so I think for her it's
Speaker 2: been the biggest transition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would your wife concur with that that you're somewhat
Speaker 1: emotionally stunted at fifteen?
Speaker 2: No, she wouldn't say emotionally stunted.
Speaker 1: I'm only saying emotionally stunted because Taylor Strong said those
Speaker 1: exact words. So now it's all I can think about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm emotionally stunted at sixteen night.
Speaker 2: Wait what, Yeah, I don't know. I mean I would say,
Speaker 2: like it's more it's more like a matter of POV
Speaker 2: than emotional stunting. Like I definitely feel like something something
Speaker 2: so drastically changed in my life right Like I was
Speaker 2: doing plays and being an actor and wanting to do
Speaker 2: movies and TV shows and stuff basically for fun, you know,
Speaker 2: not really thinking about the end result, and then it
Speaker 2: becomes a hit show, becomes my life, becomes what is
Speaker 2: going to define me for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: So I feel like there's like the the fifteen year
Speaker 2: old point of view is still kind of like wide eyed, going,
Speaker 2: can you believe this happened to you? And but I emotionally,
Speaker 2: I hope that I've matured enough. But I mean, I
Speaker 2: think my wife, especially when we first met, like she
Speaker 2: had never watched the show, never really knew about boy
Speaker 2: Meet's world, and I loved that, Like that was like
Speaker 2: a great thing for us, and so I think it's
Speaker 2: been it's been a times difficult for her to have
Speaker 2: to suddenly deal with it again, like that this part
Speaker 2: of my life that when we came together was like
Speaker 2: this is over, this is never gonna you know, and
Speaker 2: then Girl Meets the World comes along and I'm suddenly
Speaker 2: directing a bunch of that and that becomes a huge
Speaker 2: part of my life. And then now the podcast and
Speaker 2: it's like, right, well, we kind of can't avoid it.
Speaker 2: And she's been great about it, but I'm sure that
Speaker 2: there have been times when it's like, really, we're doing
Speaker 2: this again, We're still talking about this.
Speaker 1: It's like, I know, like what happens when you go
Speaker 1: to the supermarket.
Speaker 2: I don't get recognized that much. When I when I
Speaker 2: shaved earlier this year for the first time in like
Speaker 2: a dozen years, I definitely got recognized more. And then
Speaker 2: it was like it was then and I had like
Speaker 2: hair similar to when I was on the show, So
Speaker 2: that was you know, But no, in La, people if
Speaker 2: they recognize me, I don't think they say anything. But
Speaker 2: you leave La and it's a whole other world, you know.
Speaker 2: Like so if I'm yeah, if we're traveling at all,
Speaker 2: like yeah, then people are cool. People are you know,
Speaker 2: if they're just shocked and then they want to take
Speaker 2: a picture and they're nice.
Speaker 1: You said, I'm trying to make some connection here between us, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like a deeper one that Yeah. Do you remember what
Speaker 1: we discussed being like trapped in the nineties, trapped kind
Speaker 1: of like that persona of not being able to move
Speaker 1: forward because that's what people remember you as and you
Speaker 1: have to go back to it. Do you remember what
Speaker 1: Brian Green said?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: He said yeah, because I was like, oh, I think
Speaker 1: this is Yeah. Second night, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: writer and I were talking about this in generally Green
Speaker 1: and so let and like it's like we're all stuck
Speaker 1: in this thing that we don't even know what happens,
Speaker 1: but we're in it, and it's hard to talk to
Speaker 1: anyone else about it because they can't quite understand it.
Speaker 1: And it's like I always say to people, it's like
Speaker 1: when you're into high school with each other, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's something way different than that. And Brian said he
Speaker 1: likened it to being in a plane crash, right, which
Speaker 1: is how I think you and I maybe start talking
Speaker 1: about this TV show that we're going to do that.
Speaker 1: We need to bring up because we're manifesting it, and
Speaker 1: then if we bring it up here, no one can
Speaker 1: steal it from Okay, Okay, that's my story. I'm sticking
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: But there is, right, I mean, because it's there is.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you told that to fans, which I
Speaker 1: guess we're telling this to fans right now, I don't
Speaker 1: know if they'd be pissed, like you guys think of that.
Speaker 1: I know, it was the best ten years of our lives,
Speaker 1: and you guys considered it a plane crash survivors.
Speaker 2: I think the key and I read this somewhere else
Speaker 2: to this. I'm not going to take credit for this,
Speaker 2: but someone I saw someone had written the phrase fame
Speaker 2: is trauma, and that really resonated with me. And so
Speaker 2: I think that for everybody, even if it's good, you know,
Speaker 2: even if it's what you want, the moment you really
Speaker 2: get fame, it's it's it's just a traumatic experience. You
Speaker 2: can come out of it, but it's always going to
Speaker 2: have that like that echo, you know, if like, well,
Speaker 2: remember when life felt private or when it felt like
Speaker 2: I was still an individual, you know, going around in
Speaker 2: the world, and like hoping to like send a message
Speaker 2: out and then suddenly it's like, oh god, it reached everybody.
Speaker 2: That's you know, it's a it's a jarring experience. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I think people don't you know, I it's it sucks
Speaker 2: to be complaining about fame.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't even know how to broach it now.
Speaker 1: I'm sounding like a dick.
Speaker 2: I know. It's but there is also the extra wrinkle
Speaker 2: for us, specifically that we were children, you know, we
Speaker 2: were teenagers, and I think coming at it as an adult,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, this is why, like I had
Speaker 2: to stop acting because when I started dating my wife,
Speaker 2: who's an actress, she had such thick skin about the
Speaker 2: life of being an actor, and she had such an
Speaker 2: awareness of what the job acts is what it requires,
Speaker 2: and she wants it like and she'll do she'll act
Speaker 2: in anything, like you know, she just wants to always
Speaker 2: be loves the auditions, loves the process. And I hated
Speaker 2: all of it unless I was on the job, like
Speaker 2: working on set, the auditions, the rejection, like all the
Speaker 2: things that came along with it. And I realized, like, right,
Speaker 2: if I had decided to do this as an adult,
Speaker 2: I think I would have a healthier approach to this,
Speaker 2: you know. But instead it was sort of like, oh,
Speaker 2: I and so for for a lot of ways, acting
Speaker 2: was broken for me. You know. It's like, oh, and
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a bummer because I think like,
Speaker 2: if I, let's say, boyme's world hadn't happened, I probably
Speaker 2: would have just kept doing plays and guest stars and
Speaker 2: maybe decided to be an actor in my twenties and
Speaker 2: really come at at hard and like had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun, had a great career. I don't know. But
Speaker 2: as it is, it's like everything no no.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I end it. I feel like
Speaker 1: my stories. I don't know. I got through this all
Speaker 1: the time in my head because there's no one else
Speaker 1: I can really talk to about it. Thanks for being
Speaker 1: here and playing this game. But yeah, I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: I kind of came into this world with eyes on
Speaker 1: me because of my dad. So but nine of two
Speaker 1: when it was a whole different ballgame. So yeah, from
Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty six, I was like released at twenty
Speaker 1: six and that fucked me, like yeah, because I I
Speaker 1: don't know, I went I was like, oh, yeah, every
Speaker 1: show gets picked up and runs this long right show,
Speaker 1: it runs this popular, and then you do a couple
Speaker 1: of pilots that don't get picked up. You do it
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh.
Speaker 2: Right, this is the life. This is the actual life,
Speaker 2: the actual I know. See. That was my problem too,
Speaker 2: is like I so I immediately went to school in
Speaker 2: New York and then took a semester off to go
Speaker 2: make Cabin Fever. Thinking because it was right after nine
Speaker 2: to eleven, I was like, I want to get out
Speaker 2: of new work. Anyway, when did this little movie? Had
Speaker 2: so much fun making it, and then it became like
Speaker 2: the dream indie horror film. You know, we made it
Speaker 2: for less than two million dollars. A bidding war broke
Speaker 2: out over at a Toronto so and again I was
Speaker 2: sort of like, yeah, well this is what happens when
Speaker 2: you do indie films. So it was like two right
Speaker 2: back to back. And then I went back to college
Speaker 2: like told agents and everything, well I'm not I'm going
Speaker 2: to finish school, which is the dumbest thing you could do,
Speaker 2: because what you want to do is strike when the
Speaker 2: iron is hot, you know, like keep up your career.
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I'm not doing anything. I'm
Speaker 2: just you know, and so then I got out of
Speaker 2: college at twenty four and started auditioning and trying to
Speaker 2: and it was like.
Speaker 1: Oh it really just like three years later after well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I started because boy mean's world ended. I was
Speaker 2: twenty and then I went to school for the next
Speaker 2: four years and then yeah, and then then I started
Speaker 2: doing the real work, which is like you're in movie
Speaker 2: that nobody notices, then a worse movie that you don't
Speaker 2: have any fun, and nobody notices that an even worse movie,
Speaker 2: and you're just like, oh my god, like and I
Speaker 2: just realized, like I was becoming that bitter actor like
Speaker 2: I was. So there was this awful moment on a
Speaker 2: set where I've been doing this stunt filled wakeboarding movie
Speaker 2: and it was everything was falling apart in the production. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was actually a great group of cast,
Speaker 2: like I love the people I was working with, but
Speaker 2: the production itself was a disaster. Everything was going, but
Speaker 2: the crew quit the second day because they had all
Speaker 2: been film students who had been roped into working for free,
Speaker 2: and they realized it was an actual job. They left.
Speaker 2: At one point, I was left on a boat without
Speaker 2: anybody showing me how to drive it. Or where to
Speaker 2: park it, and like they were shooting for us from
Speaker 2: the shore and then they were like, all right, we
Speaker 2: got the shot and then the whole crew just left
Speaker 2: and I was like, I left me, me and one
Speaker 2: other actor in the boat. I like, I was a,
Speaker 2: what is going on? Why isn't anybody you know? And
Speaker 2: like and I stormed after my trailer, No, stormed off
Speaker 2: into my trailer. I get there, and then they wanted
Speaker 2: me to do like behind the scenes like interview, and
Speaker 2: They're pounding on my trailer door and I was so
Speaker 2: I was just lying there, so furious, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not coming out of this trailer. And I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've become that guy, Like I'm the
Speaker 2: actor who won't leave his trailer and like you hear
Speaker 2: that story. You you always heard about like leave for
Speaker 2: his trailer for three days and you know, and it's
Speaker 2: like because in a lot of ways, that becomes the
Speaker 2: only power an actor has. Is like they just shut
Speaker 2: down all production because they're like, get everything ready and
Speaker 2: I'm not coming out. And it's such a petty, awful
Speaker 2: thing to do. And it comes from insecurity and bitterness
Speaker 2: and lack of control all the things that you know
Speaker 2: can happen to actors, and I just found myself in
Speaker 2: the heart of it, and I was like, I can't
Speaker 2: do this anymore. Like I can't, this is just going
Speaker 2: to get worse and worse. For the most part. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've acted in stuff that friends have like made or
Speaker 2: you know, written for me. But yeah, like from that,
Speaker 2: pretty much, from that moment on, I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not even I'm not gonna audition anymore. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to do this. I'm just gonna gonna take a break.
Speaker 2: And you know, I started directing stuff, and I really
Speaker 2: love directing because I feel like I can get the
Speaker 2: same high that I did from acting without having to
Speaker 2: be the one acting. When I'm directing something like I'll
Speaker 2: wake up before call and I'll have like that anxiety
Speaker 2: and nerves and all the things I'm supposed to feel,
Speaker 2: and then I'll be like, wait, I don't have to
Speaker 2: be on camera today, and it all goes away. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, and it's like, you know they say that
Speaker 2: like the the nervous system, like the the way our
Speaker 2: bodies feel excitement and nervousness is are identical, and you
Speaker 2: just interpret it. One is like fear and anxiety, and
Speaker 2: the other is like I'm excited to go do this thing,
Speaker 2: and like that's what the switch for me. It's like
Speaker 2: if I'm directing, I'm like worked up, but it's all positive.
Speaker 2: It's all like, I'm just so excited to do this
Speaker 2: and you know, face these challenges today, whereas when I
Speaker 2: think about being on camera having to act, it's pure
Speaker 2: like oh god, nervousness, anxiety, like this is going to
Speaker 2: be awful and yeah it's too.
Speaker 1: Bad, because it is too bad. But you'll get over
Speaker 1: that when we do this show and you're going to
Speaker 1: be on camera, right, yeah?
Speaker 2: Is it a show or is it a movie? It
Speaker 2: was a movie? Yeah, and I'm playing myself right A
Speaker 2: version aversion. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this idea, So this idea became something because we
Speaker 1: were all, well, we chose to be in that bar
Speaker 1: those two nights talking about our lives as ninety stars
Speaker 1: and how that is kind of the one decade people
Speaker 1: really have embraced. Like it's not even why two K
Speaker 1: like it's it's different and I don't know if television
Speaker 1: was different back then. I'm not sure the reason, but
Speaker 1: all these nineties stars and we were in a showind
Speaker 1: of trapped, isn't it just like we're trapped back in
Speaker 1: the nineties. I was drunk.
Speaker 2: We I don't know if we actually nailed that, but
Speaker 2: the idea was that a bunch of us are somewhere together, right,
Speaker 2: and it's pure knives out style murder mystery.
Speaker 1: Right. We talked Agatha Christie, Yes, we talked Lost.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it was like, yeah, you get fifteen of
Speaker 2: us and we're all at a convention or shooting something
Speaker 2: or doing some reason that we're all stuck together, and
Speaker 2: then we start getting murdered one by one.
Speaker 1: Now murder only came up because you like horror murder.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do too, Yeah, yeah, no, So we got
Speaker 1: excited about that, like you know, Agatha Christie, and then
Speaker 1: there were none like one by one. But I just
Speaker 1: know I came back from that weekend a little like
Speaker 1: I was exhausted.
Speaker 2: And it was a good week and it was it
Speaker 2: was by far my favorite nineties gone. Yeah. So it
Speaker 2: was a good time.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't get you out of my brain. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting because Easton's here and I read Easton. I
Speaker 1: was like right or strong, And I reached out to
Speaker 1: Amy too, and she was like wait, wait, you know
Speaker 1: he's married with a kid. I was like, no, no disrespect,
Speaker 1: Like it's not that. I was like, I'm obsessed with
Speaker 1: his brain, but I'm not sure, Like we just connected
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, I was like he's great, and yeah
Speaker 1: I thought about like sliding into your DMS, but then
Speaker 1: I didn't. But I couldn't. That's why I wanted to
Speaker 1: do this podcast with you in person, because I wanted
Speaker 1: to be like, one, what the fuck did we talk about?
Speaker 1: Because I didn't really remember, and but we nailed it.
Speaker 1: And two I was just like, ugh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We just had this connection. Imagine you're like I had
Speaker 1: no connection with you.
Speaker 2: I know I did. It was totally likewise. I mean
Speaker 2: that's why I remember telling people when I got home.
Speaker 2: I was like, Tori spelling really cool and really I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really cool. And Brian Austin Green like I've never
Speaker 2: met these people and like actually bonded and had a
Speaker 2: good weekend. It was really fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So I reached out to Generally Green this
Speaker 1: morning and sole Ley Moonfry and I was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: do you guys want to enlighten me? Because I'm actually
Speaker 1: we've had to cancel this once before my fault, and
Speaker 1: like we're actually doing it today and I want to
Speaker 1: ask him, but I don't remember much from it. And
Speaker 1: Jenna was like that friend that like, oh, I got
Speaker 1: your back. She's like, here's what you guys were talking about.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I remember all that. She said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're I think you're fine, And so
Speaker 1: Lea's like, no, no, I'm not going to mention anything.
Speaker 1: She's like, you should just go in and ask him.
Speaker 1: She's such a storyteller and friend that I'll push you
Speaker 1: out of your comfort zone to get the story that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fair, good for you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I feel like since I have been thinking
Speaker 1: about this idea and I feel like it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of it could go on many seasons.
Speaker 2: Oh that's scary.
Speaker 1: But what if it was all of us and since
Speaker 1: we're somehow trapped in this nineties period that we can't
Speaker 1: get past, we're kind of trapped in people's lives as
Speaker 1: what we were and that's how they remember us, and
Speaker 1: we're like heroes to them that we never asked for
Speaker 1: these superpowers because they're really dysfunctional superpowers. What if it
Speaker 1: was like, let's say there's fifteen like you said, or
Speaker 1: like ten of us whatever, and each season could be
Speaker 1: us trapped in like a different TV show, so it
Speaker 1: could be like Knives Out. It could be and then
Speaker 1: there were none like I get the Christie clue, like
Speaker 1: the first season, but until they say, in this lifetime,
Speaker 1: like you keep like me, for instance, I picked somehow
Speaker 1: the wrong men over and over. No disrespect to my ax,
Speaker 1: he would tell you the same, but like until I
Speaker 1: have to really resonate and like listen to myself and
Speaker 1: figure out why I keep choosing these people over and over.
Speaker 1: So what if in this lifetime we keep every season
Speaker 1: we're in this in it just becomes more like Groundhog's
Speaker 1: Day like, but.
Speaker 2: So each season we're trapped in a different TV different
Speaker 2: TV show from the nineties, or we're jumping from are
Speaker 2: we time travel or we kind of like it's it's now.
Speaker 2: It's starting to sound like what was it the Wanda
Speaker 2: Vision Show where she's like in a sitcom?
Speaker 1: No good, talk me through this because.
Speaker 2: I watched like one or two episodes, but she apparently
Speaker 2: was like traveling through different TV shows as a character.
Speaker 1: I don't know, So no, we never say it's another
Speaker 1: TV show. It's just a situation that might liken two right,
Speaker 1: maybe like in one season we should be on an island,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, is it lost? I don't know?
Speaker 1: Is it right? Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: You're playing you don't?
Speaker 2: Well, it needs some work. I need some work. I
Speaker 2: still like the idea of just a straight up movie
Speaker 2: like Bodies, Bodies, Bodies Knives out, like an old school
Speaker 2: you know, just we're all in a mansion, we're all
Speaker 2: at a convention. Keep it limited location and just tell
Speaker 2: one because I mean, once we start killing people, you know,
Speaker 2: hard to keep that on for multiple seasons.
Speaker 1: What if we don't kill people?
Speaker 2: Okay, then it's a different show.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was really good and we killed people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I like people dying. I like horror films.
Speaker 1: Same yeah, okay, it would be a different horror film
Speaker 1: each season. Okay, now we're getting too But do people
Speaker 1: want a metaverse like that's the big I mean, we
Speaker 1: did the nine two and zero reboot, which I don't
Speaker 1: think people loved it.
Speaker 2: When was that?
Speaker 1: That was in twenty nineteen and Jenny Garth and I
Speaker 1: created it and it was based on us playing a
Speaker 1: version of ourselves getting back together to do a reboot
Speaker 1: right right, And it just I feel like people were
Speaker 1: like some people were like, oh, that was so creative
Speaker 1: and that was so cool instead of a straight up reboot,
Speaker 1: and but most fans were like, we wanted you to.
Speaker 2: Play that actually, dude, right right, And.
Speaker 1: It's like, but did you like what? I mean? I
Speaker 1: know you guys did go back and play those characters,
Speaker 1: but I'm scared to go back and play those characters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't great because you can't create that time again.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I feel
Speaker 2: like there have been alternative takes on Boy Meets World
Speaker 2: that we've had, like on during our podcast where we're like,
Speaker 2: what if we went to mister Feenie the teacher's life
Speaker 2: as a young teacher and like do something like that
Speaker 2: and make it like a single camera drama show or
Speaker 2: you know, like do a new interpretation of some aspect
Speaker 2: of it. But yeah, I just don't think you can
Speaker 2: recapture the magic of whatever it was that happened that
Speaker 2: first time.
Speaker 1: So Okay, good, we're getting far. We have to play ourselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, yeah, a version part of it and how
Speaker 1: meta you want to go. I don't know. Everything's meta
Speaker 1: these days. Oh no, it's hard for me to watch
Speaker 1: TV shows now.
Speaker 2: I don't watch TV at all. I know that's good, but.
Speaker 1: I don't really good. It's like creative as fuck.
Speaker 2: But what I don't like is I like stories that
Speaker 2: close but end. You know, this is part of my
Speaker 2: resistance to making it a show is like, I hate
Speaker 2: the way every everything is like an hour long and
Speaker 2: then come back next week you gotta find out more.
Speaker 2: I'm just I feel manipulated. I'm like, I am exhausted.
Speaker 2: I always tap out of a show at three episodes
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I can see they're going to
Speaker 2: drag this out for another ten episodes and not get somewhere.
Speaker 1: TV shows are really weird now. I find it interesting,
Speaker 1: Like watching streaming all the time. There's so many shows
Speaker 1: that I'm fascinated by, and I love how visually I'm
Speaker 1: on board there in the style, and I like the humor.
Speaker 1: I like where it goes. But I'm like, God, how
Speaker 1: do I say this nicely? How does the average person?
Speaker 1: You have a long, hard day at work, you live
Speaker 1: in Middle America, you come home, right? Is that the
Speaker 1: world you want to see?
Speaker 2: I mean, I leave empty for these shows, think so
Speaker 2: I think that's right. Well, that's why I think that
Speaker 2: like old school networks, I mean, the classic networks are
Speaker 2: still showing hospital shows, cop shows, like more sort of comforting,
Speaker 2: you know, all wrapped one mystery a week, wrapped up
Speaker 2: within the week. And then there's you know, the comedies.
Speaker 2: They don't do multi camera anymore. But I think people
Speaker 2: I know, but it's it's just a dated form, you know.
Speaker 2: It's like sitting around listening to the radio would have
Speaker 2: felt in the seventies. You know, it's like people still
Speaker 2: doing this. Maybe I don't know. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: there will always be a certain place for a sitcom.
Speaker 2: Right now it seems to be kids television. But it
Speaker 2: was comforting, right like every week thirty minutes, wrap everything up.
Speaker 2: You don't have to have seen the previous episode, you
Speaker 2: don't have to watch the next one. You can just
Speaker 2: enjoy it, like tune your brain out. That's what people,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. A theme song mm hmm. I never
Speaker 1: watched your show.
Speaker 2: We went through a couple of different ones, but yeah,
Speaker 2: we ended up with one that and this boy Meets Word.
Speaker 2: Thanks Easton. Yeah, yeah, that was the last the last
Speaker 2: two seasons. That was our theme song, so that retroactively
Speaker 2: has become our theme song. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Right before you got here, Easton informed me of something
Speaker 1: very knowledgeable about what you said.
Speaker 2: I'm a boy Top two top two episodes.
Speaker 4: There was like a poll or a survey or something,
Speaker 4: and it was like, what nineties shows do you people
Speaker 4: want to come back? And the top two was Beverly
Speaker 4: Hills nine or two, I know, and Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Now, if you told him this on his podcast, you
Speaker 1: would have.
Speaker 2: Flipped it, flipped it. Yeah, it was Boy Meets World.
Speaker 1: Then well he said, I won't tell you which one
Speaker 1: was number one. I'm like, oh god, it's Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2: And he was like yes, and that's oh interesting. But
Speaker 2: did come back? Didn't it? Hasn't it been? There's been
Speaker 2: new versions of it. You did your reboot right.
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, but like in two thousand and seven
Speaker 1: or eight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I Yeah. Yeah, how long did that last?
Speaker 1: I say it like, I don't know, but I'm really
Speaker 1: weird with dates. I remember everything. I think they did
Speaker 1: like six seasons. Oh wow, okay, I was on it
Speaker 1: for two episodes, but they like wrote like Jenny was
Speaker 1: on it and her mom died on the show. I
Speaker 1: got cancer and died, And it's hard for people to
Speaker 1: be like, wait, that wasn't the real nine two or no,
Speaker 1: how could they make decisions about OG characters like in
Speaker 1: it Brian and I, David and Donna are like getting
Speaker 1: a divorce and we have one kid, and it's like,
Speaker 1: but they can they do that? Can they make that up?
Speaker 1: So we're like, so we tend to as like OG
Speaker 1: cast members be like, oh, we can rewrite it any
Speaker 1: way we want.
Speaker 2: So the show ended when your show end.
Speaker 1: It ended, and whatever happens happens, but we don't have
Speaker 1: to go by that. But yeah, it was super successful,
Speaker 1: but it's because that cast became successful, So it wasn't
Speaker 1: really a reboot, right if it's a whole new cast
Speaker 1: which is a couple spin off characters.
Speaker 2: But that's so interesting that this poll landed with two
Speaker 2: high school shows that the things that because like they
Speaker 2: didn't say friends, they didn't say Seinfeld. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of great nineties shows, but when people are asked like
Speaker 2: what will I think, it's like the very unique position
Speaker 2: that both of our shows hat even though they were
Speaker 2: very different. Ours was comedy, yours was drama. I think
Speaker 2: when you are a teenager or your kid and you
Speaker 2: back then actually sat in your living room with your
Speaker 2: family and watched other teenagers, you identified with them so strongly.
Speaker 2: And that's like, I think that's a particular nature of
Speaker 2: our fame too. It's like we weren't movie stars, you know,
Speaker 2: like if you're a movie star, you're kind of like
Speaker 2: on a palace stool. But when you're a TV star
Speaker 2: from the nineties, it's like you're part of the family.
Speaker 2: They can like they I don't know, it's a different relationship.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, they've invited you into the house, you've come.
Speaker 2: You came into their house almost uninvited, and so there's
Speaker 2: like a level of like, you know, in some ways
Speaker 2: that's great because there's a real intimacy there. In other
Speaker 2: ways it's like, you know, like it can lead to
Speaker 2: like a different type of relationship. You know, like they
Speaker 2: don't even think of you as an actor. They think
Speaker 2: of you as just the character, and you were just
Speaker 2: that person, and like.
Speaker 1: Right, that's happened to me, happens to you sometimes?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, I mean, yeah, I think people just
Speaker 2: assume there's no difference, you know, that I wasn't really
Speaker 2: acting and acting. I was just a kid who showed
Speaker 2: up and lived on in front of the camp, which
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. But I think if people really think it's
Speaker 2: they Yeah, I think that's how they conceive of me.
Speaker 1: That's okay. That's interesting because I often think about the
Speaker 1: movies that were huge in the nineties. Why is it
Speaker 1: a different feeling than like the TV shows. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: because we were there. They grew up with us, We
Speaker 1: grew up with them, and we were on their TV
Speaker 1: with their family. Yeah, and that's something they want to
Speaker 1: hold on to. That's nostalgia.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Why is nostalgia so big right now? Like why
Speaker 1: did it take this? Well?
Speaker 2: All right, I have a couple of theories. Now, I
Speaker 2: have a couple theories. One, I don't think it's a coincidence.
Speaker 2: It's the nineties. I think pre cell phones is like
Speaker 2: the essential element and pre social media obviously, but like
Speaker 2: before you could really live in a virtual space for
Speaker 2: fifty percent of your life, if not more, And I
Speaker 2: think we're all hungry for that, Like we missed the
Speaker 2: times of you know, real in person interaction, you know,
Speaker 2: waiting for people, not knowing if somebody's gonna call you
Speaker 2: back or they We weren't constantly in contact. I think
Speaker 2: that's a really calm mindset that we missed. I think
Speaker 2: it was a peaceful time, no wars. It was a
Speaker 2: very like wonderful decade as far as you know, economic prosperity.
Speaker 2: Obviously there were lots of problems, but I think for
Speaker 2: most of us, especially those of us who were young,
Speaker 2: it was a golden age. What else I feel like.
Speaker 1: Like, do you think there's any like coincidence? Like both
Speaker 1: of our shows ended in two thousand and that was
Speaker 1: why two k Yeah, like that was the first time
Speaker 1: like all of us were like waste the world, like
Speaker 1: what's going to happen? And then it went on, but
Speaker 1: it went on differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean really the big change came with nine
Speaker 2: to eleven, right, so it took another year and then
Speaker 2: like yeah, then the world really kind of change it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's also probably you know, but
Speaker 2: I think I think everyone I don't know, I mean
Speaker 2: I've always been pretty nostalgic. I think, so maybe everybody is.
Speaker 2: But I also, you know, there's so much being made,
Speaker 2: so much content out there, and we don't. We no
Speaker 2: longer have the monoculture, right, like the idea of like
Speaker 2: community through everybody's listening to the one song and watching
Speaker 2: the one show. And that was a huge part of
Speaker 2: the nineties. You know, it's like any even to the
Speaker 2: extent that we when we were on the air, never
Speaker 2: thought of our show as popular because it was a
Speaker 2: kids show. You know, it was not like I mean,
Speaker 2: I wanted to be on nine O two one oh
Speaker 2: because it was like real acting and drama and like,
Speaker 2: you know, that was like where I thought, like everyone
Speaker 2: should you know, that's where I wanted to be, sort
Speaker 2: of just not realizing that there was a whole generation
Speaker 2: of teenagers and younger watching our show and holding on
Speaker 2: to it, you know, and who would you know. So yeah,
Speaker 2: like in the monoculture of the nineties, we were like
Speaker 2: low on the total. But I think in general now
Speaker 2: everybody wants that monoculture back. They want to like feel
Speaker 2: a part of something. I mean, you see how big
Speaker 2: it seems like, you know, there's this tipping point where
Speaker 2: like Taylor Swift went from being like oh that person
Speaker 2: everybody's heard too, like the number one you know, only
Speaker 2: concert anybody saw the last three years. And I'm watching
Speaker 2: to happen with Sabrina Carpenter right now, who was on
Speaker 2: Girl Meets World. By the way, everyone forgets that she
Speaker 2: was my daughter on Girl Beats World. But like now
Speaker 2: she's reached such levels of popularity you.
Speaker 1: Can't in the rabbit holes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but people want Mono. They like, oh, like the
Speaker 2: whole world is like now loving Sabrina Garmenter, and it's
Speaker 2: like there's a drive towards like let's all share in
Speaker 2: something together that we all can agree on that we
Speaker 2: all like. But it's only at that like upper upper
Speaker 2: level anymore. It's no longer you know, three networks. It's
Speaker 2: whatever one show everybody's watching this week and then next
Speaker 2: week something else.
Speaker 1: It's a million different shows, and Nicole Kidman starts in
Speaker 1: all of them. I know she's so much I don't know.
Speaker 2: I really genuinely think she's a great actor obviously, but
Speaker 2: by the time I saw a Baby Girl, I was like,
Speaker 2: are you again? And like I was too over it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't enjoy it. Everyone was like it was so cool.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just.
Speaker 1: The same way.
Speaker 2: I was, just like, this is not what I expect.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I've seen her and everything,
Speaker 2: so I don't know. But she's great. She's great. I
Speaker 2: just don't know how she her. Yeah, you might have
Speaker 2: a chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no is She's in everything, and it's it's disturbing
Speaker 1: in a way. Yeah. Yeah, but now I'm feeling like
Speaker 1: like I felt like we were always in, but we
Speaker 1: were kind of out, And now everything I turn on
Speaker 1: it's like everybody from the nineties. Yeah, like boy bands,
Speaker 1: it's like doing commercials. It's right, yea, this is our
Speaker 1: time to strike, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Right strong, I guess, So, I guess.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just hope that it can become a
Speaker 2: way to create something new and good. You know, I
Speaker 2: would love for new content to be made, Like I'd
Speaker 2: love to be a part of, you know, writing, directing,
Speaker 2: not really acting, but doing something creative that isn't just
Speaker 2: nostalgia driven, because that's I don't know. To me, it's
Speaker 2: diminishing returns, like you can only go back so many
Speaker 2: times before it's like, so I don't know, you can
Speaker 2: go home, Okay, So I can just restart my podcast
Speaker 2: rewatch once we finish season seven. Go right back to
Speaker 2: season one, and.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to like, what are your choices? I know.
Speaker 2: I mean we like we started it as like we
Speaker 2: always said we were gonna it was gonna be a journey,
Speaker 2: know that it was going We weren't going to put
Speaker 2: expectations on what we how we would feel, and it
Speaker 2: has been. It has been such a crazy journey, so
Speaker 2: many ups and downs and emotional moments, and then going
Speaker 2: live has changed everything. Yeah, yeah, and it's going to
Speaker 2: be very different because the last time we were on
Speaker 2: tour was over a year ago, and we just realized
Speaker 2: that we're like, oh, we have to like figure out
Speaker 2: what we're doing this time around, and like what are
Speaker 2: we talking about and what does the show feel like?
Speaker 2: And it feels different, you know, because when we were
Speaker 2: first doing the tour, there was a sense of like
Speaker 2: we just discovered Boy Meets World because I had never
Speaker 2: seen the show and so watching it in the podcast
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is pretty good, and so it
Speaker 2: was like meeting the fans as a fan too for
Speaker 2: the first time. But now it's feels something different because
Speaker 2: now we're in season six, which is not as good,
Speaker 2: and and we've been through so much just with the
Speaker 2: podcast that it's it's yeah, the live shows are going
Speaker 2: to feel a little different, I think, I'm sure exactly.
Speaker 1: I feel like people want to see the three of
Speaker 1: you do anything together.
Speaker 2: And I'd like to think so. I mean, when you
Speaker 2: have chemistry, you have chemistry, and like we do, like
Speaker 2: it's really it's it's turned out into a great dynamic.
Speaker 2: I you know, when we first were talking about it,
Speaker 2: I don't think Will and I realized how good of
Speaker 2: a host Danielle was and an interviewer, and we just
Speaker 2: had this. We had a couple of meetings and we said,
Speaker 2: you know, we should have one person sort of anchor
Speaker 2: the point of view and like read the feedback, like
Speaker 2: read the recaps of the episodes, and we're like, it
Speaker 2: should be Danielle because you were you know, you were
Speaker 2: the youngest uh to be going through this, you know.
Speaker 2: And that turned out to be the best decision we
Speaker 2: ever made because she's such a good host and when
Speaker 2: she's like keeping us on point and doing she does
Speaker 2: great interviews, so she can really like sort of be
Speaker 2: the guiding voice. And then Will is so funny, like
Speaker 2: he's just off the cuff. His brain just works in
Speaker 2: this crazy way, which I always knew, but I hadn't
Speaker 2: really seen it in action, like performance wise until we
Speaker 2: started recording the podcast or doing the live shows. And
Speaker 2: you see him like he just always knows the funniest
Speaker 2: thing like that. Any if somebody says something sets him up,
Speaker 2: and he'll he'll bring callbacks from like twenty minutes ago,
Speaker 2: and like he's these layers and then I'm the pretentious asshole.
Speaker 2: So it works out perfectly, like between the three of us.
Speaker 2: It's like it's a you know, because I just I'm
Speaker 2: just want mope, bringing everything down and like over analyzing,
Speaker 2: and they pull me out, and I think, like you know,
Speaker 2: the fans, like our listeners can really it's just a
Speaker 2: it's a good space.
Speaker 1: Like it works out interesting. Yeah, okay, bye, I'm imagine
Speaker 1: that it was fun. Wait. I think I asked sorry,
Speaker 1: I got to go back to Henriver one last time.
Speaker 1: I think I asked you this, but I don't remember
Speaker 1: what you told me. Why they've never done a remake
Speaker 1: or they did.
Speaker 2: They did a remake which I've never seen kind of intentionally,
Speaker 2: I'm just avoiding it. They took the exact same script
Speaker 2: and reshot it. Yeah, and I just I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: I don't really want to. I have no idea. I
Speaker 2: have no idea. I totally avoided it, like it seems
Speaker 2: like such a weird project, and it wasn't. As far
Speaker 2: as I know, it wasn't super well received because it
Speaker 2: was like, if you like the original movie, why do this.
Speaker 2: It's like when they did that Psycho shot for shot remake,
Speaker 2: It's like, why, what's the It's kind of like a
Speaker 2: film experiment. But I don't know if it's really appealing
Speaker 2: to anybody, But Cavin Fever was really it's such a
Speaker 2: strange film.
Speaker 1: It's I don't necessarily consider it comedy horror, which I know.
Speaker 2: I know, well that's the thing. It's kind of could
Speaker 2: go either way. And like when we were doing it,
Speaker 2: we were sitting there going, this is funny, right, Like
Speaker 2: can we play this for a joke? And Eli was
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, no, play it straight. And I think
Speaker 2: what was happening was he had written a level of
Speaker 2: comedy into the script, but as we were shooting it,
Speaker 2: there's something about the horror that Eli was tapping into,
Speaker 2: which is that like seventies eighties gore nudity, Like it's
Speaker 2: just like oversaturated, you know, it's just like it's not
Speaker 2: just blood, it's blood covering your entire face. And he
Speaker 2: would just on set be bringing that energy. And like
Speaker 2: at the time Saw hadn't come out, like there hadn't
Speaker 2: been that type of like really and as like we
Speaker 2: started imbuing the whole film with that manic like just
Speaker 2: balls to the wall energy, it became funnier, like and
Speaker 2: then the comedy was coming out of the extremity and
Speaker 2: like everything was funny it so it's like, oh, now
Speaker 2: the kid's gonna scream pancakes and do a karate flip
Speaker 2: and it's like what that is? No, there's no logic,
Speaker 2: and you're like, you know what at this point, just
Speaker 2: go for it, you know, like and so I feel
Speaker 2: like there are some people who went in expecting a
Speaker 2: straight horror film who were just baffled, and then there
Speaker 2: are some people who wanted it to be really like
Speaker 2: a comedy horror and they're kind of like, but it's
Speaker 2: really gross and awful and a lot of it doesn't
Speaker 2: like tonally add up to just comedy. So it's like
Speaker 2: this weird. I mean, that's why it's kind of a
Speaker 2: cult films, because it's like a mashup. You're like, how
Speaker 2: serious am I supposed to take this? And you know,
Speaker 2: we just had so much fun. Like I've never now
Speaker 2: I've started to do conventions for Kevin Fever, like going
Speaker 2: to horror conventions, and it's so fun. We get the
Speaker 2: cast back together and we just.
Speaker 1: Sit around the task.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's and we're all like, we all
Speaker 2: just love each other so much. And we had this
Speaker 2: experience like you know, we're all twenty one, twenty four
Speaker 2: and yeah, and it wasn't even just making the movie.
Speaker 2: It was also like to have it go from this
Speaker 2: little tiny film that you know, we got shut down
Speaker 2: by the Union, it was never going to get finished
Speaker 2: to you know, being in theaters and having a big,
Speaker 2: like a hit horror film was really fun for all
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: I saw it in the theaters in Westwood.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: I can still remember of that. Yeah, it was nice.
Speaker 1: And I went to high school with Jordan. I grew
Speaker 1: up with her.
Speaker 2: Oh away, yeah, oh her.
Speaker 1: Mom Cheryl lad did Charlie's Angels to my dad. Oh right, okay,
Speaker 1: so I knew were in that way, and I think
Speaker 1: our parents' house like was next door to each other.
Speaker 1: But there were neighbors because they were so vastly huge.
Speaker 1: And then we went to which is now Harvard Westlake,
Speaker 1: but we went to school together. She was a year
Speaker 1: younger than me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Next and then when she did that, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was so excited.
Speaker 2: She was such a sweetheart. Oh my god. Yeah, she
Speaker 2: was like yeah for her and I like the first
Speaker 2: two weeks of filming because it was like chaos, we
Speaker 2: just like bonded and we were like had each other's backs.
Speaker 2: We got really close. It was fun. Yeah, did you.
Speaker 1: Ever date the actors?
Speaker 2: This is my wife.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: No, that's not true. Rachel Lee Cook was like my
Speaker 2: first like serious girlfriend when I was sixteen. We dated.
Speaker 1: How'd you forget that for a second.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I just didn't. I mean I
Speaker 2: just didn't think about it.
Speaker 1: But I did a movie with her, like her first movie.
Speaker 1: She's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she we we reconnected. She doesn't she doesn't get
Speaker 2: done nineties com which doesn't make sense, like they should
Speaker 2: do it. She's all that. Really Yeah, but she was
Speaker 2: at a different convention. Oh we did it, And so
Speaker 2: I saw her for the first time since we were
Speaker 2: in our Like maybe i'd seen her in our twenties
Speaker 2: once and it was so great to see her. We
Speaker 2: like hung out of this convention and I was there
Speaker 2: with my wife and my kid hanging out in the
Speaker 2: green room. She's great. Yeah she's kids, right, Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: two parents. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it was great to
Speaker 2: see her. But other than.
Speaker 1: That, I don't know anyone. Kevin de Fever, No, I'm.
Speaker 2: A cereal serial monogamist. So like, I was always in
Speaker 2: a relationship. You believe that. Yeah, I've been with like
Speaker 2: I mean, I I had like my first like I
Speaker 2: thought in love at eight years old. I was obsessed.
Speaker 2: I was with her really like from thirteen to fifteen,
Speaker 2: and I dated Rachel for over a year then. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was just always moving. I was with somebody for
Speaker 2: seven years and then met my wife. Yeah. Pretty again.
Speaker 2: I think in part response to the fame thing, Like
Speaker 2: I just like, if I had a relationship, I was like,
Speaker 2: lock this in. I'm not taking my chances out there
Speaker 2: in the world because it's you know, it was always
Speaker 2: so overwhelming. Like yeah, and I had a really hard
Speaker 2: time trusting girls women, you know, like their motivations when
Speaker 2: I was when I was a teenager, it was always.
Speaker 1: Like understandable and what is you know?
Speaker 2: So always dated people older than me, like everyone besides Rachel.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever dated anybody in my own age.
Speaker 2: And I think part of that was because the age
Speaker 2: cut off meant that they had never seen Point Meets World,
Speaker 2: like just automatically. If you were, you know, three years
Speaker 2: older than me, you didn't know the show. So it
Speaker 2: was fine. I was like, so those are the people
Speaker 2: I would relate to or connect with.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Yeah, I've only dated really actors really,
Speaker 1: but it's all I ever met. Yeah, I never met
Speaker 1: anybody else. So instinctually somebody recently was like, okay, you're
Speaker 1: single now again, like Korean, I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like all the actors are taken, they're like actors, and
Speaker 1: I was like, well yeah, and I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can date other people. That's funny.
Speaker 1: I date a real person. Oh my god, they won't
Speaker 1: understand my life.
Speaker 2: But it's also just who you meet, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: like even my my seven year relationship with was with
Speaker 2: somebody was a PA. You know, That's how I met her.
Speaker 2: So it's like that's who you meet. You meet somebody
Speaker 2: and I you know, my my wife and I met
Speaker 2: on a show. Yeah, met on a show. And it's interesting,
Speaker 2: like because we talked to some people who are in
Speaker 2: the industry who are so happy that their partner is
Speaker 2: not you know that they're like a lawyer or a doctor,
Speaker 2: something sensible and like steady, and then they can be
Speaker 2: the wild card whose career fluctuates and never know what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen. But we really love sort of understanding one another,
Speaker 2: and I mean we talk about work all the time
Speaker 2: and it's actually really nice. And she opened my eyes
Speaker 2: for like what an actor like, what it means to
Speaker 2: be a real actor. And that's when I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't. I'm not gonna do that. You go, but
Speaker 2: I'm not. This is too much. So we I mean,
Speaker 2: we really bond over the They create a side, you know,
Speaker 2: over the industry and all its turmoil. You know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of kind of fun. And yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: if you don't watch TV, she watches TV shows. I
Speaker 2: just don't. I always am like, let's go to Criterion,
Speaker 2: let's want and she's like, no, I'm not staying up
Speaker 2: for a three hour movie. But we he definitely agree
Speaker 2: on horror films. We're both like fanatics, so that's like
Speaker 2: our time together. Although now she's got this weird thing
Speaker 2: where it's not scary enough if I'm there. So she
Speaker 2: likes to watch horror films when I'm out of town
Speaker 2: and like really get scared because she's alone in the
Speaker 2: house watching a horror film like this is this is
Speaker 2: some sick shit.
Speaker 1: But okay, do you guys let your son watch horror films?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah? He well, he doesn't. Well, five Nights of Freddy's
Speaker 2: just like his obsession, so right, but actually, yeah, he
Speaker 2: saw Jaws at the age of six and loved it
Speaker 2: and was obsessed with it. Like, so he definitely likes
Speaker 2: darker stuff, but he doesn't he doesn't like Gore at all.
Speaker 2: So because I try to show him what we do
Speaker 2: in the Shadows, which I thought was right up his
Speaker 2: alley because he likes he's humorous, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's vampires. It's ridiculous. But there's like a scene where
Speaker 2: somebody was spurting blood and he was like, turn it off,
Speaker 2: turn it. I was like, okay, So Gore's not cool,
Speaker 2: but like being scared or something, being around the corner
Speaker 2: is cool, So I'm still trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: is the line. But yeah, so far he likes horror.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean my wife's claimed like she watched
Speaker 2: Alien when she was six and loved it, and that's
Speaker 2: like hooked her her entire life. I think it starts
Speaker 2: early if you like horror.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shown, well I'm older, but Revenge of
Speaker 1: the Body Snatchers I've never seen it. I don't see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like three.
Speaker 2: I was really into Stephen King too. I read like
Speaker 2: all the Stephen King books. Yeah, so anything horror I love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I'm done, now, are you? I guess I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding.
Speaker 2: I'm just messing with you.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for being on.
Speaker 2: Of course, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Wall, How do we continue this conversation about this idea
Speaker 1: that I don't know? I fine, we can make a movie.
Speaker 2: We just gotta you know, you have to rally the
Speaker 2: nineties stars, because I feel like you have much more
Speaker 2: pull and you know, a lot more of them.
Speaker 1: I can do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get a slate together of like ten actors okay
Speaker 2: from different shows who are all willing to be in
Speaker 2: a movie, and then we find somebody to write a scroup.
Speaker 1: And then done. Yeah, perfect, perfect. This is this is
Speaker 1: gonna sell. This is like yeah, okay, I'm on it
Speaker 1: sounds good, okay perfect Bye bye, m m m m