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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd met Brian, but we never really talked. So

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Speaker 2: the actual I know. See. That was my problem too,

433
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: is like I so I immediately went to school in

434
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: New York and then took a semester off to go

435
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 2: make Cabin Fever. Thinking because it was right after nine

436
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: to eleven, I was like, I want to get out

437
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: of new work. Anyway, when did this little movie? Had

438
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 2: so much fun making it, and then it became like

439
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: the dream indie horror film. You know, we made it

440
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: for less than two million dollars. A bidding war broke

441
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: out over at a Toronto so and again I was

442
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: sort of like, yeah, well this is what happens when

443
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: you do indie films. So it was like two right

444
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: back to back. And then I went back to college

445
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: like told agents and everything, well I'm not I'm going

446
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 2: to finish school, which is the dumbest thing you could do,

447
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: because what you want to do is strike when the

448
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 2: iron is hot, you know, like keep up your career.

449
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I'm not doing anything. I'm

450
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: just you know, and so then I got out of

451
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: college at twenty four and started auditioning and trying to

452
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: and it was like.

453
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: Oh it really just like three years later after well.

454
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I started because boy mean's world ended. I was

455
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: twenty and then I went to school for the next

456
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: four years and then yeah, and then then I started

457
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 2: doing the real work, which is like you're in movie

458
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 2: that nobody notices, then a worse movie that you don't

459
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: have any fun, and nobody notices that an even worse movie,

460
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: and you're just like, oh my god, like and I

461
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: just realized, like I was becoming that bitter actor like

462
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: I was. So there was this awful moment on a

463
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 2: set where I've been doing this stunt filled wakeboarding movie

464
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: and it was everything was falling apart in the production. Yeah,

465
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 2: it was. It was actually a great group of cast,

466
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: like I love the people I was working with, but

467
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: the production itself was a disaster. Everything was going, but

468
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: the crew quit the second day because they had all

469
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: been film students who had been roped into working for free,

470
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: and they realized it was an actual job. They left.

471
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: At one point, I was left on a boat without

472
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 2: anybody showing me how to drive it. Or where to

473
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 2: park it, and like they were shooting for us from

474
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: the shore and then they were like, all right, we

475
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: got the shot and then the whole crew just left

476
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 2: and I was like, I left me, me and one

477
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: other actor in the boat. I like, I was a,

478
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 2: what is going on? Why isn't anybody you know? And

479
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: like and I stormed after my trailer, No, stormed off

480
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: into my trailer. I get there, and then they wanted

481
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: me to do like behind the scenes like interview, and

482
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: They're pounding on my trailer door and I was so

483
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: I was just lying there, so furious, and I was like,

484
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: I'm not coming out of this trailer. And I was like,

485
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've become that guy, Like I'm the

486
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: actor who won't leave his trailer and like you hear

487
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: that story. You you always heard about like leave for

488
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: his trailer for three days and you know, and it's

489
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: like because in a lot of ways, that becomes the

490
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: only power an actor has. Is like they just shut

491
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: down all production because they're like, get everything ready and

492
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm not coming out. And it's such a petty, awful

493
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: thing to do. And it comes from insecurity and bitterness

494
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: and lack of control all the things that you know

495
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: can happen to actors, and I just found myself in

496
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: the heart of it, and I was like, I can't

497
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: do this anymore. Like I can't, this is just going

498
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 2: to get worse and worse. For the most part. I mean,

499
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: I've acted in stuff that friends have like made or

500
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: you know, written for me. But yeah, like from that,

501
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: pretty much, from that moment on, I was like, I'm

502
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: not even I'm not gonna audition anymore. I'm not going

503
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: to do this. I'm just gonna gonna take a break.

504
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 2: And you know, I started directing stuff, and I really

505
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: love directing because I feel like I can get the

506
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 2: same high that I did from acting without having to

507
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 2: be the one acting. When I'm directing something like I'll

508
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: wake up before call and I'll have like that anxiety

509
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: and nerves and all the things I'm supposed to feel,

510
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 2: and then I'll be like, wait, I don't have to

511
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: be on camera today, and it all goes away. And

512
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: so yeah, and it's like, you know they say that

513
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: like the the nervous system, like the the way our

514
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: bodies feel excitement and nervousness is are identical, and you

515
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: just interpret it. One is like fear and anxiety, and

516
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: the other is like I'm excited to go do this thing,

517
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: and like that's what the switch for me. It's like

518
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: if I'm directing, I'm like worked up, but it's all positive.

519
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: It's all like, I'm just so excited to do this

520
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: and you know, face these challenges today, whereas when I

521
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: think about being on camera having to act, it's pure

522
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: like oh god, nervousness, anxiety, like this is going to

523
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: be awful and yeah it's too.

524
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: Bad, because it is too bad. But you'll get over

525
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: that when we do this show and you're going to

526
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: be on camera, right, yeah?

527
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: Is it a show or is it a movie? It

528
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: was a movie? Yeah, and I'm playing myself right A

529
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 2: version aversion. Yeah.

530
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: So this idea, So this idea became something because we

531
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: were all, well, we chose to be in that bar

532
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: those two nights talking about our lives as ninety stars

533
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: and how that is kind of the one decade people

534
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: really have embraced. Like it's not even why two K

535
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: like it's it's different and I don't know if television

536
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: was different back then. I'm not sure the reason, but

537
00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: all these nineties stars and we were in a showind

538
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: of trapped, isn't it just like we're trapped back in

539
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: the nineties. I was drunk.

540
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 2: We I don't know if we actually nailed that, but

541
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,239
Speaker 2: the idea was that a bunch of us are somewhere together, right,

542
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: and it's pure knives out style murder mystery.

543
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: Right. We talked Agatha Christie, Yes, we talked Lost.

544
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: Yes, and it was like, yeah, you get fifteen of

545
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: us and we're all at a convention or shooting something

546
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: or doing some reason that we're all stuck together, and

547
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: then we start getting murdered one by one.

548
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: Now murder only came up because you like horror murder.

549
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah I do too, Yeah, yeah, no, So we got

550
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: excited about that, like you know, Agatha Christie, and then

551
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: there were none like one by one. But I just

552
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: know I came back from that weekend a little like

553
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: I was exhausted.

554
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: And it was a good week and it was it

555
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: was by far my favorite nineties gone. Yeah. So it

556
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: was a good time.

557
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: But I couldn't get you out of my brain. And

558
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: it's interesting because Easton's here and I read Easton. I

559
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: was like right or strong, And I reached out to

560
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: Amy too, and she was like wait, wait, you know

561
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: he's married with a kid. I was like, no, no disrespect,

562
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Like it's not that. I was like, I'm obsessed with

563
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: his brain, but I'm not sure, Like we just connected

564
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, I was like he's great, and yeah

565
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: I thought about like sliding into your DMS, but then

566
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. But I couldn't. That's why I wanted to

567
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: do this podcast with you in person, because I wanted

568
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: to be like, one, what the fuck did we talk about?

569
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: Because I didn't really remember, and but we nailed it.

570
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: And two I was just like, ugh, I don't know.

571
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: We just had this connection. Imagine you're like I had

572
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: no connection with you.

573
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 2: I know I did. It was totally likewise. I mean

574
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: that's why I remember telling people when I got home.

575
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: I was like, Tori spelling really cool and really I'm like, yeah,

576
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: it's really cool. And Brian Austin Green like I've never

577
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: met these people and like actually bonded and had a

578
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: good weekend. It was really fun.

579
00:28:50,880 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So I reached out to Generally Green this

580
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: morning and sole Ley Moonfry and I was like, Hey,

581
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: do you guys want to enlighten me? Because I'm actually

582
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: we've had to cancel this once before my fault, and

583
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: like we're actually doing it today and I want to

584
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: ask him, but I don't remember much from it. And

585
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: Jenna was like that friend that like, oh, I got

586
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: your back. She's like, here's what you guys were talking about.

587
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I remember all that. She said, Yeah,

588
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't think you're I think you're fine, And so

589
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: Lea's like, no, no, I'm not going to mention anything.

590
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: She's like, you should just go in and ask him.

591
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: She's such a storyteller and friend that I'll push you

592
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: out of your comfort zone to get the story that.

593
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, fair, good for you.

594
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

595
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I feel like since I have been thinking

596
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: about this idea and I feel like it's a little

597
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: bit of it could go on many seasons.

598
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Oh that's scary.

599
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: But what if it was all of us and since

600
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: we're somehow trapped in this nineties period that we can't

601
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: get past, we're kind of trapped in people's lives as

602
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: what we were and that's how they remember us, and

603
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: we're like heroes to them that we never asked for

604
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: these superpowers because they're really dysfunctional superpowers. What if it

605
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: was like, let's say there's fifteen like you said, or

606
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: like ten of us whatever, and each season could be

607
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: us trapped in like a different TV show, so it

608
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: could be like Knives Out. It could be and then

609
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: there were none like I get the Christie clue, like

610
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: the first season, but until they say, in this lifetime,

611
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: like you keep like me, for instance, I picked somehow

612
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: the wrong men over and over. No disrespect to my ax,

613
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: he would tell you the same, but like until I

614
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: have to really resonate and like listen to myself and

615
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: figure out why I keep choosing these people over and over.

616
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: So what if in this lifetime we keep every season

617
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: we're in this in it just becomes more like Groundhog's

618
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: Day like, but.

619
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: So each season we're trapped in a different TV different

620
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: TV show from the nineties, or we're jumping from are

621
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: we time travel or we kind of like it's it's now.

622
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: It's starting to sound like what was it the Wanda

623
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: Vision Show where she's like in a sitcom?

624
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: No good, talk me through this because.

625
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: I watched like one or two episodes, but she apparently

626
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: was like traveling through different TV shows as a character.

627
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, So no, we never say it's another

628
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: TV show. It's just a situation that might liken two right,

629
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: maybe like in one season we should be on an island,

630
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: like I don't know, is it lost? I don't know?

631
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: Is it right? Right?

632
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: Right?

633
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 4: Right?

634
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: You're playing you don't?

635
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: Well, it needs some work. I need some work. I

636
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: still like the idea of just a straight up movie

637
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: like Bodies, Bodies, Bodies Knives out, like an old school

638
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: you know, just we're all in a mansion, we're all

639
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: at a convention. Keep it limited location and just tell

640
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: one because I mean, once we start killing people, you know,

641
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: hard to keep that on for multiple seasons.

642
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: What if we don't kill people?

643
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: Okay, then it's a different show.

644
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah it was really good and we killed people.

645
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like I like people dying. I like horror films.

646
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: Same yeah, okay, it would be a different horror film

647
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: each season. Okay, now we're getting too But do people

648
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: want a metaverse like that's the big I mean, we

649
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: did the nine two and zero reboot, which I don't

650
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: think people loved it.

651
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: When was that?

652
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: That was in twenty nineteen and Jenny Garth and I

653
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: created it and it was based on us playing a

654
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: version of ourselves getting back together to do a reboot

655
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: right right, And it just I feel like people were

656
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: like some people were like, oh, that was so creative

657
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: and that was so cool instead of a straight up reboot,

658
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: and but most fans were like, we wanted you to.

659
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: Play that actually, dude, right right, And.

660
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 1: It's like, but did you like what? I mean? I

661
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: know you guys did go back and play those characters,

662
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: but I'm scared to go back and play those characters. Yeah,

663
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't great because you can't create that time again.

664
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I feel

665
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: like there have been alternative takes on Boy Meets World

666
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: that we've had, like on during our podcast where we're like,

667
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: what if we went to mister Feenie the teacher's life

668
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: as a young teacher and like do something like that

669
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: and make it like a single camera drama show or

670
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: you know, like do a new interpretation of some aspect

671
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: of it. But yeah, I just don't think you can

672
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: recapture the magic of whatever it was that happened that

673
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: first time.

674
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: So Okay, good, we're getting far. We have to play ourselves.

675
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah no, yeah, a version part of it and how

676
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: meta you want to go. I don't know. Everything's meta

677
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: these days. Oh no, it's hard for me to watch

678
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: TV shows now.

679
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: I don't watch TV at all. I know that's good, but.

680
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't really good. It's like creative as fuck.

681
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: But what I don't like is I like stories that

682
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: close but end. You know, this is part of my

683
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: resistance to making it a show is like, I hate

684
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: the way every everything is like an hour long and

685
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: then come back next week you gotta find out more.

686
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: I'm just I feel manipulated. I'm like, I am exhausted.

687
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: I always tap out of a show at three episodes

688
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I can see they're going to

689
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: drag this out for another ten episodes and not get somewhere.

690
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: TV shows are really weird now. I find it interesting,

691
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: Like watching streaming all the time. There's so many shows

692
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: that I'm fascinated by, and I love how visually I'm

693
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: on board there in the style, and I like the humor.

694
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: I like where it goes. But I'm like, God, how

695
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: do I say this nicely? How does the average person?

696
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: You have a long, hard day at work, you live

697
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: in Middle America, you come home, right? Is that the

698
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: world you want to see?

699
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I leave empty for these shows, think so

700
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: I think that's right. Well, that's why I think that

701
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: like old school networks, I mean, the classic networks are

702
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: still showing hospital shows, cop shows, like more sort of comforting,

703
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: you know, all wrapped one mystery a week, wrapped up

704
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: within the week. And then there's you know, the comedies.

705
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: They don't do multi camera anymore. But I think people

706
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: I know, but it's it's just a dated form, you know.

707
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: It's like sitting around listening to the radio would have

708
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: felt in the seventies. You know, it's like people still

709
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: doing this. Maybe I don't know. I mean, I think

710
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: there will always be a certain place for a sitcom.

711
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: Right now it seems to be kids television. But it

712
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: was comforting, right like every week thirty minutes, wrap everything up.

713
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: You don't have to have seen the previous episode, you

714
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: don't have to watch the next one. You can just

715
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: enjoy it, like tune your brain out. That's what people,

716
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people want.

717
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. A theme song mm hmm. I never

718
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: watched your show.

719
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: We went through a couple of different ones, but yeah,

720
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: we ended up with one that and this boy Meets Word.

721
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: Thanks Easton. Yeah, yeah, that was the last the last

722
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: two seasons. That was our theme song, so that retroactively

723
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: has become our theme song. Yeah, okay.

724
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: Right before you got here, Easton informed me of something

725
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: very knowledgeable about what you said.

726
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm a boy Top two top two episodes.

727
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 4: There was like a poll or a survey or something,

728
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: and it was like, what nineties shows do you people

729
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 4: want to come back? And the top two was Beverly

730
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: Hills nine or two, I know, and Boy Meets World.

731
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

732
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: Now, if you told him this on his podcast, you

733
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: would have.

734
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: Flipped it, flipped it. Yeah, it was Boy Meets World.

735
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: Then well he said, I won't tell you which one

736
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: was number one. I'm like, oh god, it's Boy Meets World.

737
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: And he was like yes, and that's oh interesting. But

738
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: did come back? Didn't it? Hasn't it been? There's been

739
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: new versions of it. You did your reboot right.

740
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, but like in two thousand and seven

741
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: or eight?

742
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I Yeah. Yeah, how long did that last?

743
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: I say it like, I don't know, but I'm really

744
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: weird with dates. I remember everything. I think they did

745
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: like six seasons. Oh wow, okay, I was on it

746
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: for two episodes, but they like wrote like Jenny was

747
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: on it and her mom died on the show. I

748
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: got cancer and died, And it's hard for people to

749
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: be like, wait, that wasn't the real nine two or no,

750
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: how could they make decisions about OG characters like in

751
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 1: it Brian and I, David and Donna are like getting

752
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: a divorce and we have one kid, and it's like,

753
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: but they can they do that? Can they make that up?

754
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: So we're like, so we tend to as like OG

755
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: cast members be like, oh, we can rewrite it any

756
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: way we want.

757
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: So the show ended when your show end.

758
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: It ended, and whatever happens happens, but we don't have

759
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: to go by that. But yeah, it was super successful,

760
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: but it's because that cast became successful, So it wasn't

761
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: really a reboot, right if it's a whole new cast

762
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: which is a couple spin off characters.

763
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: But that's so interesting that this poll landed with two

764
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: high school shows that the things that because like they

765
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: didn't say friends, they didn't say Seinfeld. There's a lot

766
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: of great nineties shows, but when people are asked like

767
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: what will I think, it's like the very unique position

768
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: that both of our shows hat even though they were

769
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: very different. Ours was comedy, yours was drama. I think

770
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: when you are a teenager or your kid and you

771
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: back then actually sat in your living room with your

772
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: family and watched other teenagers, you identified with them so strongly.

773
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: And that's like, I think that's a particular nature of

774
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: our fame too. It's like we weren't movie stars, you know,

775
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: like if you're a movie star, you're kind of like

776
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: on a palace stool. But when you're a TV star

777
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: from the nineties, it's like you're part of the family.

778
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: They can like they I don't know, it's a different relationship.

779
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, they've invited you into the house, you've come.

780
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: You came into their house almost uninvited, and so there's

781
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: like a level of like, you know, in some ways

782
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: that's great because there's a real intimacy there. In other

783
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: ways it's like, you know, like it can lead to

784
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: like a different type of relationship. You know, like they

785
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: don't even think of you as an actor. They think

786
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: of you as just the character, and you were just

787
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: that person, and like.

788
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: Right, that's happened to me, happens to you sometimes?

789
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, I mean, yeah, I think people just

790
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: assume there's no difference, you know, that I wasn't really

791
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: acting and acting. I was just a kid who showed

792
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: up and lived on in front of the camp, which

793
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. But I think if people really think it's

794
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: they Yeah, I think that's how they conceive of me.

795
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: That's okay. That's interesting because I often think about the

796
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: movies that were huge in the nineties. Why is it

797
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: a different feeling than like the TV shows. Yeah, it's

798
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: because we were there. They grew up with us, We

799
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: grew up with them, and we were on their TV

800
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: with their family. Yeah, and that's something they want to

801
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: hold on to. That's nostalgia.

802
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

803
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Why is nostalgia so big right now? Like why

804
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: did it take this? Well?

805
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: All right, I have a couple of theories. Now, I

806
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: have a couple theories. One, I don't think it's a coincidence.

807
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: It's the nineties. I think pre cell phones is like

808
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: the essential element and pre social media obviously, but like

809
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: before you could really live in a virtual space for

810
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: fifty percent of your life, if not more, And I

811
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: think we're all hungry for that, Like we missed the

812
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: times of you know, real in person interaction, you know,

813
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: waiting for people, not knowing if somebody's gonna call you

814
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: back or they We weren't constantly in contact. I think

815
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: that's a really calm mindset that we missed. I think

816
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: it was a peaceful time, no wars. It was a

817
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: very like wonderful decade as far as you know, economic prosperity.

818
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: Obviously there were lots of problems, but I think for

819
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: most of us, especially those of us who were young,

820
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: it was a golden age. What else I feel like.

821
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: Like, do you think there's any like coincidence? Like both

822
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: of our shows ended in two thousand and that was

823
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: why two k Yeah, like that was the first time

824
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: like all of us were like waste the world, like

825
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: what's going to happen? And then it went on, but

826
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: it went on differently.

827
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean really the big change came with nine

828
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 2: to eleven, right, so it took another year and then

829
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: like yeah, then the world really kind of change it.

830
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's also probably you know, but

831
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: I think I think everyone I don't know, I mean

832
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: I've always been pretty nostalgic. I think, so maybe everybody is.

833
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: But I also, you know, there's so much being made,

834
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: so much content out there, and we don't. We no

835
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: longer have the monoculture, right, like the idea of like

836
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: community through everybody's listening to the one song and watching

837
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: the one show. And that was a huge part of

838
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: the nineties. You know, it's like any even to the

839
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: extent that we when we were on the air, never

840
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: thought of our show as popular because it was a

841
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: kids show. You know, it was not like I mean,

842
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to be on nine O two one oh

843
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: because it was like real acting and drama and like,

844
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, that was like where I thought, like everyone

845
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 2: should you know, that's where I wanted to be, sort

846
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: of just not realizing that there was a whole generation

847
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: of teenagers and younger watching our show and holding on

848
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 2: to it, you know, and who would you know. So yeah,

849
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: like in the monoculture of the nineties, we were like

850
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: low on the total. But I think in general now

851
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: everybody wants that monoculture back. They want to like feel

852
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: a part of something. I mean, you see how big

853
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: it seems like, you know, there's this tipping point where

854
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 2: like Taylor Swift went from being like oh that person

855
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: everybody's heard too, like the number one you know, only

856
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: concert anybody saw the last three years. And I'm watching

857
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: to happen with Sabrina Carpenter right now, who was on

858
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: Girl Meets World. By the way, everyone forgets that she

859
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: was my daughter on Girl Beats World. But like now

860
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: she's reached such levels of popularity you.

861
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: Can't in the rabbit holes.

862
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but people want Mono. They like, oh, like the

863
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: whole world is like now loving Sabrina Garmenter, and it's

864
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: like there's a drive towards like let's all share in

865
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: something together that we all can agree on that we

866
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: all like. But it's only at that like upper upper

867
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: level anymore. It's no longer you know, three networks. It's

868
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: whatever one show everybody's watching this week and then next

869
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: week something else.

870
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: It's a million different shows, and Nicole Kidman starts in

871
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: all of them. I know she's so much I don't know.

872
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: I really genuinely think she's a great actor obviously, but

873
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: by the time I saw a Baby Girl, I was like,

874
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: are you again? And like I was too over it.

875
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: I couldn't enjoy it. Everyone was like it was so cool.

876
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just.

877
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: The same way.

878
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: I was, just like, this is not what I expect.

879
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I've seen her and everything,

880
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: so I don't know. But she's great. She's great. I

881
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: just don't know how she her. Yeah, you might have

882
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: a chance.

883
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, no is She's in everything, and it's it's disturbing

884
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: in a way. Yeah. Yeah, but now I'm feeling like

885
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: like I felt like we were always in, but we

886
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: were kind of out, And now everything I turn on

887
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: it's like everybody from the nineties. Yeah, like boy bands,

888
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: it's like doing commercials. It's right, yea, this is our

889
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: time to strike, is what I'm saying.

890
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Right strong, I guess, So, I guess.

891
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: So.

892
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I just hope that it can become a

893
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: way to create something new and good. You know, I

894
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: would love for new content to be made, Like I'd

895
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: love to be a part of, you know, writing, directing,

896
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: not really acting, but doing something creative that isn't just

897
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: nostalgia driven, because that's I don't know. To me, it's

898
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: diminishing returns, like you can only go back so many

899
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: times before it's like, so I don't know, you can

900
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: go home, Okay, So I can just restart my podcast

901
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: rewatch once we finish season seven. Go right back to

902
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: season one, and.

903
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to like, what are your choices? I know.

904
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: I mean we like we started it as like we

905
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: always said we were gonna it was gonna be a journey,

906
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: know that it was going We weren't going to put

907
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: expectations on what we how we would feel, and it

908
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: has been. It has been such a crazy journey, so

909
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: many ups and downs and emotional moments, and then going

910
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: live has changed everything. Yeah, yeah, and it's going to

911
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: be very different because the last time we were on

912
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: tour was over a year ago, and we just realized

913
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: that we're like, oh, we have to like figure out

914
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: what we're doing this time around, and like what are

915
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: we talking about and what does the show feel like?

916
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: And it feels different, you know, because when we were

917
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: first doing the tour, there was a sense of like

918
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: we just discovered Boy Meets World because I had never

919
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: seen the show and so watching it in the podcast

920
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is pretty good, and so it

921
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: was like meeting the fans as a fan too for

922
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: the first time. But now it's feels something different because

923
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: now we're in season six, which is not as good,

924
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: and and we've been through so much just with the

925
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: podcast that it's it's yeah, the live shows are going

926
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: to feel a little different, I think, I'm sure exactly.

927
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: I feel like people want to see the three of

928
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: you do anything together.

929
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: And I'd like to think so. I mean, when you

930
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: have chemistry, you have chemistry, and like we do, like

931
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: it's really it's it's turned out into a great dynamic.

932
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: I you know, when we first were talking about it,

933
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: I don't think Will and I realized how good of

934
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: a host Danielle was and an interviewer, and we just

935
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: had this. We had a couple of meetings and we said,

936
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: you know, we should have one person sort of anchor

937
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: the point of view and like read the feedback, like

938
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: read the recaps of the episodes, and we're like, it

939
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: should be Danielle because you were you know, you were

940
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: the youngest uh to be going through this, you know.

941
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: And that turned out to be the best decision we

942
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 2: ever made because she's such a good host and when

943
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: she's like keeping us on point and doing she does

944
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: great interviews, so she can really like sort of be

945
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: the guiding voice. And then Will is so funny, like

946
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: he's just off the cuff. His brain just works in

947
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: this crazy way, which I always knew, but I hadn't

948
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: really seen it in action, like performance wise until we

949
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: started recording the podcast or doing the live shows. And

950
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: you see him like he just always knows the funniest

951
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: thing like that. Any if somebody says something sets him up,

952
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: and he'll he'll bring callbacks from like twenty minutes ago,

953
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 2: and like he's these layers and then I'm the pretentious asshole.

954
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: So it works out perfectly, like between the three of us.

955
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: It's like it's a you know, because I just I'm

956
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: just want mope, bringing everything down and like over analyzing,

957
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: and they pull me out, and I think, like you know,

958
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: the fans, like our listeners can really it's just a

959
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: it's a good space.

960
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: Like it works out interesting. Yeah, okay, bye, I'm imagine

961
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: that it was fun. Wait. I think I asked sorry,

962
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: I got to go back to Henriver one last time.

963
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: I think I asked you this, but I don't remember

964
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: what you told me. Why they've never done a remake

965
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: or they did.

966
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: They did a remake which I've never seen kind of intentionally,

967
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: I'm just avoiding it. They took the exact same script

968
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: and reshot it. Yeah, and I just I've never seen it.

969
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: I don't really want to. I have no idea. I

970
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: have no idea. I totally avoided it, like it seems

971
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: like such a weird project, and it wasn't. As far

972
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: as I know, it wasn't super well received because it

973
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: was like, if you like the original movie, why do this.

974
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: It's like when they did that Psycho shot for shot remake,

975
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: It's like, why, what's the It's kind of like a

976
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: film experiment. But I don't know if it's really appealing

977
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: to anybody, But Cavin Fever was really it's such a

978
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: strange film.

979
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: It's I don't necessarily consider it comedy horror, which I know.

980
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: I know, well that's the thing. It's kind of could

981
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: go either way. And like when we were doing it,

982
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: we were sitting there going, this is funny, right, Like

983
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: can we play this for a joke? And Eli was

984
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, no, play it straight. And I think

985
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: what was happening was he had written a level of

986
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: comedy into the script, but as we were shooting it,

987
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: there's something about the horror that Eli was tapping into,

988
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: which is that like seventies eighties gore nudity, Like it's

989
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: just like oversaturated, you know, it's just like it's not

990
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: just blood, it's blood covering your entire face. And he

991
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: would just on set be bringing that energy. And like

992
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: at the time Saw hadn't come out, like there hadn't

993
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: been that type of like really and as like we

994
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: started imbuing the whole film with that manic like just

995
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: balls to the wall energy, it became funnier, like and

996
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: then the comedy was coming out of the extremity and

997
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: like everything was funny it so it's like, oh, now

998
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: the kid's gonna scream pancakes and do a karate flip

999
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: and it's like what that is? No, there's no logic,

1000
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: and you're like, you know what at this point, just

1001
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: go for it, you know, like and so I feel

1002
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: like there are some people who went in expecting a

1003
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: straight horror film who were just baffled, and then there

1004
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: are some people who wanted it to be really like

1005
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 2: a comedy horror and they're kind of like, but it's

1006
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: really gross and awful and a lot of it doesn't

1007
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: like tonally add up to just comedy. So it's like

1008
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: this weird. I mean, that's why it's kind of a

1009
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: cult films, because it's like a mashup. You're like, how

1010
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: serious am I supposed to take this? And you know,

1011
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: we just had so much fun. Like I've never now

1012
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: I've started to do conventions for Kevin Fever, like going

1013
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: to horror conventions, and it's so fun. We get the

1014
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: cast back together and we just.

1015
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: Sit around the task.

1016
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's and we're all like, we all

1017
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: just love each other so much. And we had this

1018
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: experience like you know, we're all twenty one, twenty four

1019
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 2: and yeah, and it wasn't even just making the movie.

1020
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: It was also like to have it go from this

1021
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: little tiny film that you know, we got shut down

1022
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: by the Union, it was never going to get finished

1023
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 2: to you know, being in theaters and having a big,

1024
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: like a hit horror film was really fun for all

1025
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: of us.

1026
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: I saw it in the theaters in Westwood.

1027
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: Awesome.

1028
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: I can still remember of that. Yeah, it was nice.

1029
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: And I went to high school with Jordan. I grew

1030
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: up with her.

1031
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: Oh away, yeah, oh her.

1032
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: Mom Cheryl lad did Charlie's Angels to my dad. Oh right, okay,

1033
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: so I knew were in that way, and I think

1034
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: our parents' house like was next door to each other.

1035
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: But there were neighbors because they were so vastly huge.

1036
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: And then we went to which is now Harvard Westlake,

1037
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: but we went to school together. She was a year

1038
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: younger than me.

1039
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1040
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: Next and then when she did that, I was like,

1041
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was so excited.

1042
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: She was such a sweetheart. Oh my god. Yeah, she

1043
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: was like yeah for her and I like the first

1044
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: two weeks of filming because it was like chaos, we

1045
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: just like bonded and we were like had each other's backs.

1046
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: We got really close. It was fun. Yeah, did you.

1047
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: Ever date the actors?

1048
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: This is my wife.

1049
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: That's it.

1050
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: No, that's not true. Rachel Lee Cook was like my

1051
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: first like serious girlfriend when I was sixteen. We dated.

1052
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: How'd you forget that for a second.

1053
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I just didn't. I mean I

1054
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: just didn't think about it.

1055
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: But I did a movie with her, like her first movie.

1056
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: She's great.

1057
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, she we we reconnected. She doesn't she doesn't get

1058
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 2: done nineties com which doesn't make sense, like they should

1059
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: do it. She's all that. Really Yeah, but she was

1060
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: at a different convention. Oh we did it, And so

1061
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: I saw her for the first time since we were

1062
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: in our Like maybe i'd seen her in our twenties

1063
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: once and it was so great to see her. We

1064
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: like hung out of this convention and I was there

1065
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: with my wife and my kid hanging out in the

1066
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: green room. She's great. Yeah she's kids, right, Yeah, she's

1067
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: two parents. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it was great to

1068
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: see her. But other than.

1069
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: That, I don't know anyone. Kevin de Fever, No, I'm.

1070
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: A cereal serial monogamist. So like, I was always in

1071
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: a relationship. You believe that. Yeah, I've been with like

1072
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I I had like my first like I

1073
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: thought in love at eight years old. I was obsessed.

1074
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: I was with her really like from thirteen to fifteen,

1075
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 2: and I dated Rachel for over a year then. I mean,

1076
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: I was just always moving. I was with somebody for

1077
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: seven years and then met my wife. Yeah. Pretty again.

1078
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: I think in part response to the fame thing, Like

1079
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: I just like, if I had a relationship, I was like,

1080
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: lock this in. I'm not taking my chances out there

1081
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: in the world because it's you know, it was always

1082
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 2: so overwhelming. Like yeah, and I had a really hard

1083
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: time trusting girls women, you know, like their motivations when

1084
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: I was when I was a teenager, it was always.

1085
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: Like understandable and what is you know?

1086
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: So always dated people older than me, like everyone besides Rachel.

1087
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever dated anybody in my own age.

1088
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: And I think part of that was because the age

1089
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: cut off meant that they had never seen Point Meets World,

1090
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: like just automatically. If you were, you know, three years

1091
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: older than me, you didn't know the show. So it

1092
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 2: was fine. I was like, so those are the people

1093
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: I would relate to or connect with.

1094
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Yeah, I've only dated really actors really,

1095
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: but it's all I ever met. Yeah, I never met

1096
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: anybody else. So instinctually somebody recently was like, okay, you're

1097
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: single now again, like Korean, I was like, I don't know,

1098
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: like all the actors are taken, they're like actors, and

1099
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: I was like, well yeah, and I was like.

1100
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I can date other people. That's funny.

1101
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: I date a real person. Oh my god, they won't

1102
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: understand my life.

1103
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: But it's also just who you meet, right, I mean,

1104
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: like even my my seven year relationship with was with

1105
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: somebody was a PA. You know, That's how I met her.

1106
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: So it's like that's who you meet. You meet somebody

1107
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: and I you know, my my wife and I met

1108
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: on a show. Yeah, met on a show. And it's interesting,

1109
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 2: like because we talked to some people who are in

1110
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: the industry who are so happy that their partner is

1111
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: not you know that they're like a lawyer or a doctor,

1112
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: something sensible and like steady, and then they can be

1113
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: the wild card whose career fluctuates and never know what's

1114
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: gonna happen. But we really love sort of understanding one another,

1115
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 2: and I mean we talk about work all the time

1116
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: and it's actually really nice. And she opened my eyes

1117
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: for like what an actor like, what it means to

1118
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: be a real actor. And that's when I was like,

1119
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: I can't. I'm not gonna do that. You go, but

1120
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm not. This is too much. So we I mean,

1121
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: we really bond over the They create a side, you know,

1122
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 2: over the industry and all its turmoil. You know, it's

1123
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: kind of kind of fun. And yeah, I don't know,

1124
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: if you don't watch TV, she watches TV shows. I

1125
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: just don't. I always am like, let's go to Criterion,

1126
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: let's want and she's like, no, I'm not staying up

1127
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: for a three hour movie. But we he definitely agree

1128
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: on horror films. We're both like fanatics, so that's like

1129
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: our time together. Although now she's got this weird thing

1130
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: where it's not scary enough if I'm there. So she

1131
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: likes to watch horror films when I'm out of town

1132
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: and like really get scared because she's alone in the

1133
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: house watching a horror film like this is this is

1134
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: some sick shit.

1135
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: But okay, do you guys let your son watch horror films?

1136
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 4: Uh?

1137
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? He well, he doesn't. Well, five Nights of Freddy's

1138
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: just like his obsession, so right, but actually, yeah, he

1139
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: saw Jaws at the age of six and loved it

1140
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: and was obsessed with it. Like, so he definitely likes

1141
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: darker stuff, but he doesn't he doesn't like Gore at all.

1142
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: So because I try to show him what we do

1143
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: in the Shadows, which I thought was right up his

1144
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: alley because he likes he's humorous, and I'm like, oh,

1145
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: it's vampires. It's ridiculous. But there's like a scene where

1146
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: somebody was spurting blood and he was like, turn it off,

1147
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: turn it. I was like, okay, So Gore's not cool,

1148
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: but like being scared or something, being around the corner

1149
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: is cool, So I'm still trying to figure out what

1150
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 2: is the line. But yeah, so far he likes horror.

1151
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean my wife's claimed like she watched

1152
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: Alien when she was six and loved it, and that's

1153
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: like hooked her her entire life. I think it starts

1154
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: early if you like horror.

1155
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shown, well I'm older, but Revenge of

1156
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: the Body Snatchers I've never seen it. I don't see. Yeah,

1157
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: I was like three.

1158
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: I was really into Stephen King too. I read like

1159
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: all the Stephen King books. Yeah, so anything horror I love.

1160
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I'm done, now, are you? I guess I'm

1161
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: just kidding.

1162
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: I'm just messing with you.

1163
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for being on.

1164
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: Of course, thanks for having me.

1165
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: Wall, How do we continue this conversation about this idea

1166
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: that I don't know? I fine, we can make a movie.

1167
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: We just gotta you know, you have to rally the

1168
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: nineties stars, because I feel like you have much more

1169
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: pull and you know, a lot more of them.

1170
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: I can do that.

1171
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, get a slate together of like ten actors okay

1172
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: from different shows who are all willing to be in

1173
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: a movie, and then we find somebody to write a scroup.

1174
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: And then done. Yeah, perfect, perfect. This is this is

1175
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: gonna sell. This is like yeah, okay, I'm on it

1176
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: sounds good, okay perfect Bye bye, m m m m