Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: So people, Hello, welcome to movie Crush. Uh here with
Speaker 1: Dan Bush on another film series. And I guess your
Speaker 1: film series is just whatever Dan wants to talk about.
Speaker 1: We don't have to have a theme. But we were
Speaker 1: speaking before we had technical difficulties about uh, the fact
Speaker 1: that the world's going to hell in a handbasket and
Speaker 1: what you're doing about it. And I think it's good
Speaker 1: advice to quit quit worrying and learn exactly let ty
Speaker 1: that in um yeah, I was just you know this
Speaker 1: the idea of like, think what does it think globally?
Speaker 1: Act locally? And I was like, well, if you internalize
Speaker 1: that and act really really specifically locally, and start with
Speaker 1: your own freaking mind, what's the most local, what's the
Speaker 1: most local? And then and then work outward from there
Speaker 1: of like, okay, being sort of mindful and thoughtful. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be on a soapbox, but I
Speaker 1: just myself, I was like, why don't I take a
Speaker 1: minute and get away from the chatter and all of
Speaker 1: the Trump tweets and all of the stuff going on
Speaker 1: with the impeachment hearings and and everything about not that
Speaker 1: all that stuff doesn't need to be addressed, and not
Speaker 1: that it's not extremely important, but but to hold space
Speaker 1: for yourself just for a second, take it, take a
Speaker 1: minute and take a deep breath and get me And
Speaker 1: when you do that, you go okay. Actually, when I
Speaker 1: walk at my door and look around, there's not that
Speaker 1: much conflict. It's you know, people are for the most part.
Speaker 1: And I think this is probably true. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just that it's the filter of the media puts everything
Speaker 1: in such it just it packs everything into this sort
Speaker 1: of you know, laser shoots right into your brain, and
Speaker 1: then social media on top of it, right, and and
Speaker 1: we're addicted to that and they have like you know,
Speaker 1: so so just the idea of like can I actually
Speaker 1: put my phone down, put it away while I'm sleeping,
Speaker 1: take any breath, take ten minutes for myself every day,
Speaker 1: just ten minutes to just sit there and do nothing.
Speaker 1: And and and more than that, like try to really hang
Speaker 1: out with my kids when they're around, as opposed to
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to do this thing while you're no.
Speaker 1: It's like that's my biggest trap, man, that it just
Speaker 1: makes me feel like a garbage parent is when I'm
Speaker 1: distracted and she's trying to get my attention. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: and I've been doing things with them, like you know
Speaker 1: your kids can do ship My kids only there's three
Speaker 1: three year old ones almost five. It's like they can
Speaker 1: do stuff. So like I don't have to be like
Speaker 1: you sit there while I cook. You know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: come over here. This is a burner on the stove.
Speaker 1: Here's a knife you can cut. But here I'm gon
Speaker 1: show you how. I know that sounds like a dangerous
Speaker 1: thing for a parent to do, but man, make them,
Speaker 1: you know, get them. They love being involved. So it
Speaker 1: takes you long. So you know, I'm not onloading the dishwasher.
Speaker 1: I'm being with my kid. And that's the activity, yes,
Speaker 1: as opposed to God, damn, I gotta get this down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so value bowl. And it's really easy to fall
Speaker 1: into that trap of busy, uh distraction stuff. But like
Speaker 1: you're you're modeling. Man, you're teaching them, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: come back and bite us all of the ass when
Speaker 1: they're teenagers and they don't have the attention for us,
Speaker 1: you know, because they were raised with a parent staring
Speaker 1: at a phone. It's no good fucking sucks. I want
Speaker 1: to like smash my phone on a daily basis. But
Speaker 1: you know, but then there's something about and I'm not
Speaker 1: you know, it's a survivalist, spinny stretch, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want to wanna view them with some skills. The
Speaker 1: world's gonna be pretty nasty if if we on the
Speaker 1: current track, it would not hurt to know how to
Speaker 1: start a fire without enjoy these times before it's yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, little things like that. How do you grow
Speaker 1: something right exactly? I don't know. I'm not good at it.
Speaker 1: We can learn together. Come on, kids, Yeah, Tara farming,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Yeah, but no, you're right. Uh. And
Speaker 1: what we were talking about before, it's like, it's really
Speaker 1: easy to go down that rabbit hole of of everything
Speaker 1: is shitty right now. But if you if you walk
Speaker 1: outside your door and you look around your home, in
Speaker 1: your community, in your neighborhood, hopefully that makes you feel good.
Speaker 1: It does in my case, without sounding cheesy, all you
Speaker 1: really have is now everything before this doesn't exist. Nope,
Speaker 1: everything that's about to happen, it doesn't exist. So there's
Speaker 1: you know, you have all the potential in the world.
Speaker 1: I feel like right now and see what happens. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do it. We should do that on a episode.
Speaker 1: How fun and weird would that be? A friend of mine?
Speaker 1: I met with a friend of mine the other day
Speaker 1: that I'm working with, and he was like, by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm micro docing today. And I'm like, okay, that sounds awesome.
Speaker 1: How do you do that? And he's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, it's a thing that sounds yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Well, I mean there's all sorts of ways
Speaker 1: to do that. You can have a friend who micro
Speaker 1: doce is marijuana edibles for migraines and she doesn't ever,
Speaker 1: I don't think feel she never feels stoned or anything, Okay,
Speaker 1: And it's like through a doctor and it's just like
Speaker 1: tiny little bits of edibles throughout the day. Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: and apparently helps out the migraine. Is that like the
Speaker 1: CBD or is that just no? I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: the real deal THHC. But it's just a tiny bit
Speaker 1: of THD, which is the only psychoactive property of the
Speaker 1: only psychoactive it's the only good stuff canniboid cannabinoid canabinois.
Speaker 1: I think that's it anyway, Well, Uh, Dr Strangelove, let's
Speaker 1: get high and watch Dr Strange stuff. What do you
Speaker 1: think this is Wednesday night? No, it's Thursday morning. I
Speaker 1: watched this Wednesday night, and for the many, many a time,
Speaker 1: I've seen this movie a lot. Yeah, but it was
Speaker 1: like it had been a while. Were you excited to
Speaker 1: talk about super excited to watch it again and talk
Speaker 1: about it? Uh? So, let's do it. I have a
Speaker 1: couple of bits of fun trivia. Um, yeah, I've got
Speaker 1: a bunch. I'll sprinkle them out. You probably know this stuff,
Speaker 1: but for the benefit of the listener. Uh. The he
Speaker 1: had a few different titles. Apparently Dr Doomsday or how
Speaker 1: to Start World War Three without even Trying would have
Speaker 1: been good. Doctor Strangelove, Secret Uses of Uranus. I heard
Speaker 1: that one, and then Wonderful Bomb, which that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Wonderful Bomb. Yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 1: Did you have any other ones? Any titles? No? I
Speaker 1: didn't have any. I didn't shot down the titles that
Speaker 1: I had heard of. But what other trivia you got?
Speaker 1: Oh man, just tons of ship Um let me look here.
Speaker 1: So Sellers was gonna play four characters. I think I
Speaker 1: saw that he was gonna play Slim Pickens part. Right,
Speaker 1: he was gonna do Slim Pickens part. And there there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of different you know, theories about why that didn't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw one story where he faked a broken leg
Speaker 1: so he wouldn't have to, but that sounds made up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we wouldn't have to because of because I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's Peter Sellers. He's probably gonna nail a Texas accent
Speaker 1: if he needs to. Well, but I heard that the
Speaker 1: accent was one of the problems and that didn't like it.
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell, um, but yeah, and then another
Speaker 1: one Pickens, Slim Pickens, who did play that pilot, was
Speaker 1: also in the running to play the scatman Cruthers part
Speaker 1: in The Shining. Oh interesting, I'm not sure why. Well,
Speaker 1: I love the race, the racial tones and the Shining. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the racist ever tones in The Shining totally. I mean,
Speaker 1: I loved scatman Cruthers in that movie, but I could
Speaker 1: totally see Slim Pickens playing that part. Well, they're both,
Speaker 1: They're both are these uh not character actors, but actors
Speaker 1: who are characters, these guys who are authentically themselves. Totally
Speaker 1: and apparently slim Pickens, is that guy really yeah? Like
Speaker 1: and there they're like he wasn't a method actor, that's
Speaker 1: just him. What else I got? Reagan when he was
Speaker 1: when he after he was inaugurated, wanted to see the
Speaker 1: war room and there was no war room, but he like,
Speaker 1: you want to see the war room. Um, let me see,
Speaker 1: I've got one for you. Okay, the war room. Kuber
Speaker 1: consisted that the war room table be covered in green baize,
Speaker 1: which is like, felt so uh even though it wouldn't
Speaker 1: read in black and white. So they all felt like
Speaker 1: they were just a bunch of men playing poker with
Speaker 1: the like a big poker table. That's all sense. Essentially,
Speaker 1: what you're doing is playing poker with the world and
Speaker 1: the in nuclear War, as slim Pickings calls it, slimp Pickins.
Speaker 1: So he covered it in green green felt pretty good
Speaker 1: even though it's a black and white movie. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: here's a huge one. Um. So the line was changed
Speaker 1: from Dallas to Vegas. The line when he when Slimp
Speaker 1: Pickins like I could have a pretty good time. He's
Speaker 1: open up the survival kit. That's one of my favorite parts.
Speaker 1: When he's reading all that and he says, you know
Speaker 1: at he's like, yeah, he's like ninline Stockings one prople actic,
Speaker 1: you could have a pretty good time in Vegas. That
Speaker 1: line is dubbed later it looks funny, it was not.
Speaker 1: It was his a d r okay, um, because the
Speaker 1: original line was Dallas, you have a pretty good time
Speaker 1: in Dallas with this stuff and changed it. Do you
Speaker 1: know why wait a minute, Kennedy. The original release date
Speaker 1: was November twenty, the day Kennedy got shot. So they
Speaker 1: pulled the movie and they and they changed a few things,
Speaker 1: and then the movie came out, you know, January of
Speaker 1: So they held it that long. Huh Yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 1: that they held it for like three months or four
Speaker 1: months or whatever. But but I always think about that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, if if you have Kennedy assassination, which
Speaker 1: is like the first and most significant sort of point
Speaker 1: where you go, the world in our nation goes okay,
Speaker 1: there's more at work, There's more sleight of hand, is
Speaker 1: more stuff happening behind the scenes than we're aware of
Speaker 1: for this to be possible. And if this is if
Speaker 1: this man represents the best of us, regardless of whatever
Speaker 1: he you know, if he was or wasn't in all
Speaker 1: the arguments about Kennedy, but he represented this night and
Speaker 1: shining armor and then he gets taken down. And then
Speaker 1: a couple of months later, strange up comes out, which
Speaker 1: is all about the industrial complex, military complex and how
Speaker 1: how full of ship it all is. You know, I
Speaker 1: think you have the makings in those two first moments
Speaker 1: for the for like the launch of the counterculture. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like those two things are like, okay, because
Speaker 1: what year was this? Yeah, I mean those are the things. Okay,
Speaker 1: our government is not they don't they aren't all to
Speaker 1: be trusted and there's more than you know at hand
Speaker 1: that meets the eye. And and then Vietnam. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just feel like those are the beginnings of that, you know,
Speaker 1: that that that huge revolution, totally cultural revolution that happened. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing this movie really, um, what jumped out at
Speaker 1: me last night more than ever before it was how
Speaker 1: how ahead of its time it felt, even though it's
Speaker 1: black and white. Um, it has this weird contemporary feel
Speaker 1: to it, starting from the very beginning with those opening
Speaker 1: credits in it. And I think I tracked it down
Speaker 1: to the just the font and the credit sequence, which was,
Speaker 1: you know, very unusual for the time. You know that
Speaker 1: that it looks you on a hand drawn in pencil?
Speaker 1: Who did that? Who? Pablo Faraoh, who says the guy,
Speaker 1: he's a graphic designer. He also did the Stop Making
Speaker 1: Sense album. Of course, there you have. It looks just
Speaker 1: like it. I never tied those together. Yeah, but maybe
Speaker 1: that helps explain it because it it definitely didn't look
Speaker 1: at like a title sequence from out of you know,
Speaker 1: two thousands or whatever. Yeah, it felt very contemporary and um,
Speaker 1: and that you know, the opening is so great with
Speaker 1: the the planes fucking each other. Basically there's so much,
Speaker 1: so much sexual innuendo throughout this whole movie to that
Speaker 1: whatever that sort of not elevator music, but yeah, whatever
Speaker 1: it was, it was fantastic and just so like Kubrick,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, the whole thing is sexual, is power
Speaker 1: and sex. The whole damn movie. It's sex power, sex power,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And I think he didn't get enough
Speaker 1: strange love, power and sex, which he named himself Strange Love, right, Um,
Speaker 1: we find that out, does he? I don't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's later on in the movie. He said, GEORGEI Scott's like,
Speaker 1: why kind of my name is Strange Love? And he says, well,
Speaker 1: he gave him that, he gave himself that name, but
Speaker 1: when he came over, when he became a citizen or whatever,
Speaker 1: and he says, what it was before, I can't remember
Speaker 1: what it was? Man, How great is George? She's Scott
Speaker 1: in this movie? It just and you never see him
Speaker 1: do Does he ever do any other comedy? I don't
Speaker 1: think so, man, And and I read I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is true. I guess it is that that
Speaker 1: Kubrick had him go super broad and he said, like,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna use his stuff. It's just sort of
Speaker 1: a test to see how far you can go with
Speaker 1: it or whatever. And that's the stuff that he used. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because Cooper got that. He's notoriously did like hundred takes
Speaker 1: or whatever to the point where the actors were so
Speaker 1: piste off and freaked out. So the version I heard
Speaker 1: was kind of like Nicol the same thing he did
Speaker 1: with Nicholson and the Shining where he's he got him
Speaker 1: so pissed that he was like, is that what you
Speaker 1: want you want me to? Like, you know, you want
Speaker 1: to just not be subtle at all? Okay like this,
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, you want crazy like you
Speaker 1: want crazy, I'll show you crazy. And he's rolling his
Speaker 1: eyes and he's going bug nuts and it's just amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean, Georgie Scott is so good in
Speaker 1: this and everybody, I mean, it's an acting toward divorce.
Speaker 1: Sterling Hayden is just off the charts. And and this
Speaker 1: is a movie with Peter Sellers, like Pete Peter Sellers,
Speaker 1: you know, And Peter Sellers gets to play the straight
Speaker 1: guy opposite of Sterling Hayden. And then he gets to
Speaker 1: play the straight guy opposite of um uh Turgison, which
Speaker 1: is uh Georgie Scott. Yeah yeah in a way, and
Speaker 1: then kind of gets to play Strange Love, and then
Speaker 1: he gets place, he gets to have some fun. Who
Speaker 1: was who was your favorite of the three of his
Speaker 1: Seller's characters? Strange Love, really, yeah, I think just because
Speaker 1: it's I mean it's I mean it's I mean, they're
Speaker 1: they're all they're all fantastic, so they're all amazing, And
Speaker 1: I always just Strange Love is so easy because it's
Speaker 1: so funny. But I think President Muffly like, it's that
Speaker 1: phone call, man, muff That fucking phone call just seals
Speaker 1: the deal for me. That first phone call, or both
Speaker 1: the phone calls, but that first phone call to uh
Speaker 1: to Dmitri. Right, I'm just as capable of being sad. Man,
Speaker 1: so good, and I actually printed out that whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. Just know it wasn't sad.
Speaker 1: I'm capable of being just as sorry as you. Dmitri. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you're sorry, but I'm sorry to Dmitri. Well,
Speaker 1: then it's good that you're fine, and I'm fine. I
Speaker 1: agree with you. It's great to be fine. And right
Speaker 1: before that he's like, it's like, well, you know that
Speaker 1: thing was something like the thing we always do. You
Speaker 1: have it there about the bomb. We we got to
Speaker 1: talk about the bomb. It's like he's he's talking to
Speaker 1: my next wife about yeah, the kid got arrested or
Speaker 1: he said, one of our base commanders he had sort
Speaker 1: of well he went a little funny ahead, you know,
Speaker 1: and he went and did a silly thing started World
Speaker 1: War three. Oh man, I so love it. Um this
Speaker 1: it's you know, I like to talk about structure a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this one is like trying to pin it down. And
Speaker 1: what I start I was looking around was like, what
Speaker 1: are the movies like, how does the structurally work? At all,
Speaker 1: and other than being like a political force or whatever,
Speaker 1: there's not too many of those. I can't think of
Speaker 1: anything that's like this movie. I can't think that of
Speaker 1: anything before it or after it that is like it.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of things, but it's its own category. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very compartmentalized structurally, like he only has those. He's
Speaker 1: got the plane set and that that storyline, he's got
Speaker 1: the war room, and he's got the office basically, and
Speaker 1: the initial scene with Turgison and and the yeah you
Speaker 1: got the Great Secretary Man, which is it's all like
Speaker 1: they're already living in bunker's. Yeah, they're already living in
Speaker 1: like these there's no outside view of the world at
Speaker 1: all except from that plan. Yeah. And then when they
Speaker 1: cut to the documentary footage of them attacking the base,
Speaker 1: and even that is long lenses and very tight, and
Speaker 1: it's said, there's no it's hard to So did he
Speaker 1: shoot that or was that? I don't know, Okay, I
Speaker 1: couldn't quite tell. It looks like it's suddenly cutting from
Speaker 1: these shots that are locked off medium wides of everybody,
Speaker 1: and then occasionally like a specific listip of like uh
Speaker 1: Sterling is Sterling Hayden is his name from down below,
Speaker 1: so you're like, oh, he looks insane from this angle.
Speaker 1: But then that it's like these medium wide shots and
Speaker 1: just play out through the whole thing like a stage play,
Speaker 1: and then they cut to this handheld documentary footage. It's
Speaker 1: really jarring, yeah, and and intense, like shades of full
Speaker 1: metal jacket to come. But it's, um, it's very jarring
Speaker 1: when it goes to those those battle scenes. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: that's the weird thing about the movie is it's it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you think I once heard a UM, I guess
Speaker 1: it was. It was a lecture that who's given that lecture?
Speaker 1: Um the writer Breakfast of Champions. Yeah. Sorry. Vonneguet was
Speaker 1: giving this lecture at this uh at the college that
Speaker 1: I was in, UM, the USC in in South Carolina,
Speaker 1: and he came in to give this lecture about structure,
Speaker 1: and he was talking about there's in tragedy. There's like,
Speaker 1: you know, he starts starts off where there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a war, uh or some horrible event, you know, some
Speaker 1: pestilence or whatever, and then the one guy who might
Speaker 1: be able to save everybody fails to do so because
Speaker 1: of his own humorist or his pride or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then everybody dies. And that's like tragic structure. So it's
Speaker 1: like this this you know, inverted you and then the
Speaker 1: other comedy structure that Aristotle talked about in Poetics, and
Speaker 1: then Vonnegutt was kind of reiterating here was he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: in in the other structure, everything starts off, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a wedding or birth comedy. And then and then
Speaker 1: some asshole decides to ruin everything and you know, trash
Speaker 1: trash the day. Uh, And together everybody bonds together. The
Speaker 1: people who maybe have their differences all come together in
Speaker 1: the end and they save the day. And you know,
Speaker 1: the comedy ends with like a birth or a wedding.
Speaker 1: You know, you can think about everything from like The
Speaker 1: Hangover to sure all the comedies that have ever been made,
Speaker 1: they always end with a birth or a wedding, right, um,
Speaker 1: and everybody comes together to figure it out. But this one,
Speaker 1: this is like, this is not this is not a
Speaker 1: it's not a comic structure. It's not a tragic structure.
Speaker 1: It's this weird amalgam of the two were like the
Speaker 1: only way for everybody to come together in the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, and when is to lose. The only
Speaker 1: way you can win is by losing. Um does that
Speaker 1: make sense? So it's like a tragic comedy or it's
Speaker 1: like some sort of it is a strange movie totally,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's obviously a satire and clearly a comedy.
Speaker 1: And you know about the pie fight, Yeah, because that
Speaker 1: was they shot it and everything. The original ending was
Speaker 1: they in the war room, they break out into a
Speaker 1: pie fight, which there used thousands of pies per day,
Speaker 1: captured this thing and has a lot of merit. I
Speaker 1: saw something. I saw a picture. Have you ever seen
Speaker 1: any of them? I have one right here. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a kind of a perfect ending. I
Speaker 1: guess he pulled back from that, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: a beautiful ending to a you know what is kind
Speaker 1: of a body humor farcet movie. There's like a shot,
Speaker 1: a still shot at least of what that looked like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you end this movie? It's ah,
Speaker 1: but like if it's it's it's it's a tough one
Speaker 1: to But that's a comedic ending. Yeah, that's a comedy ending.
Speaker 1: You know, it could have ended with with slim Pickins
Speaker 1: riding that bomb and kind of that kind of feels
Speaker 1: like the ending. But then there's the come back to
Speaker 1: the monologue about well that great bit about through populating
Speaker 1: the world ten women to one man. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: basically saying like, well, we're gonna have to get a
Speaker 1: bunch of sexy, sex up women because they have certain proclivities,
Speaker 1: like we want to make they're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: appealing from from you know, right exactly. And you see George,
Speaker 1: you see chargets in over there just like you know,
Speaker 1: licking his lips because he's such a you know, such
Speaker 1: a dog. Um And and the real ending is great,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he stands mind pure, I can walk
Speaker 1: And then did that cut to the bombs? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: a pie fight has merit, Like I could have seen
Speaker 1: that sort of ridiculous three stooges. He ending to this thing. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Is this this weird like every you know,
Speaker 1: this movie is not absurd because they're dealing with real
Speaker 1: the real the real world is absurd. They're just and
Speaker 1: it's just loaded with his body humor. The first time
Speaker 1: we see like the first time that he gets the
Speaker 1: code or gets the orders for Plan r the guy
Speaker 1: on the in the plane. Yeah, like the communications officer
Speaker 1: on the plane gets the plant are and he's like okay,
Speaker 1: and he's just like stuffing his ace and he's chewing
Speaker 1: on there's food he's like trying to swallow while he's
Speaker 1: saying hey anyway, and then um, you know, it cuts
Speaker 1: to the the sort of bunker like space. It's like
Speaker 1: a hotel room. The Turgison and his secretary are in
Speaker 1: and she's son, she's like doing some tanning. She's in
Speaker 1: a bikini, in a bikini, and he's taking gorgeous sea.
Speaker 1: She's relaying this like basically relaying, not basically, she is
Speaker 1: fully relaying a phone call about we're about to start
Speaker 1: an accidental nuclear war while he's taking a dump in
Speaker 1: the other room with all the politeness in the world.
Speaker 1: And it's fantastic. She's really great at that, brilliant. And
Speaker 1: then there's uh, and then he's constantly Turgison is just
Speaker 1: constantly chewing gum. Yeah, it's just all this. But I'm
Speaker 1: surprised the movie. Honestly, the pie fight makes sense because
Speaker 1: I'm surprised the movie didn't didn't have like fart jokes.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that people weren't like yeah, because it veers
Speaker 1: into that territory comedically. Yeah, And it's interesting because this
Speaker 1: is Kubricks. He didn't do any of any else approaching comedy,
Speaker 1: did he. I mean you know that I've heard that
Speaker 1: on the set of The Shining they were laughing their
Speaker 1: asses off. Well, okay, but as far as movies go,
Speaker 1: like this is totally this. I'm trying to get into
Speaker 1: his head of like what did Stanley Cooper can find
Speaker 1: funny because he's not a funny filmmaker and doesn't come
Speaker 1: across as a funny guy. Right, this is the only
Speaker 1: thing we have to go on that's true, you know,
Speaker 1: And there's weird there's weird things that I just laughed at,
Speaker 1: Like when he when the um slim Pickens is first
Speaker 1: like are you sure it's plan? Are I'm sure? And
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, I'm coming back there, And like
Speaker 1: this whole scene has been him talking to somebody in
Speaker 1: the back of the plane and there's all this distance
Speaker 1: between them and he says, I'm coming back there and
Speaker 1: he turns around there like five feet away, right, Like
Speaker 1: that's humorous that I don't know. That was pretty funny.
Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of that kind of love subtle.
Speaker 1: I don't know timing or something that. Yeah, So shout
Speaker 1: out to Tracy Reid, who was uh the woman who
Speaker 1: played uh ms Scott Um we've already gone over Scott
Speaker 1: and Sellers, Slim Pickens, Sterling Hayden, a young James old
Speaker 1: Jones on the plane. Huge shout out to Keenan when
Speaker 1: who plays Colonel bat Guano, the guy that comes in
Speaker 1: at the end and uh basically holds man Drake, you know,
Speaker 1: hostage for a brief time. He does such a good job,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to answer to the Coca Cola company.
Speaker 1: And it just ends with like the machine being yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: I mean like pure slapstick. But also this collection of
Speaker 1: of nameless, faceless men in the war room last night.
Speaker 1: I was really fixated during the strange love stuff on
Speaker 1: seeing if I could catch any of them in the
Speaker 1: background cracking up, and like, how the funk were they
Speaker 1: able to just stay so stoic in the midst of that.
Speaker 1: Although I don't know if he did that with Sellers,
Speaker 1: because I read that Seller said that he did this too.
Speaker 1: Kubrick did this to break down the actor's sense of self,
Speaker 1: and he said, I I've never had a sense of self,
Speaker 1: so you don't need to do that with me. I
Speaker 1: heard he was the only one that Kubrick ever let improvise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that too. Kubrick said he's the only actor
Speaker 1: that can really do it, which man high compliment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it makes me seeing this again, I want to
Speaker 1: go back and watch Being There again. Oh Man, one
Speaker 1: of my favorites so good. I got my my entree
Speaker 1: into Being There was Mad Magazine's parody of Being There
Speaker 1: that I read when I was a kid, because I
Speaker 1: was Mad Magazine obsessive, and you know, they had all
Speaker 1: these you know, adult type themed movies in Mad Magazine
Speaker 1: that like ten year old Chuck is reading about all
Speaker 1: these movies that like, I have no idea what they are.
Speaker 1: You know, they did stuff like writers in the Lost
Speaker 1: Ark every now and then, but a lot of times
Speaker 1: it was the sort of high minded stuff. They were
Speaker 1: kind of poking. Yeah, it's adult, and it's all Being
Speaker 1: There later on, and you know, it's just so great.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of his movies. I've never seen Lolita, right,
Speaker 1: I've never seen Lilia. Yeah, either, it's it's got. He
Speaker 1: plays several roles in that one, too, right, And I
Speaker 1: heard that that was potentially going to be a comedy
Speaker 1: at some point, But I don't know how teters on
Speaker 1: that edge. If I'm not mistaken, I gotta check it out.
Speaker 1: Though there's a lot of Peter sellers out there. I
Speaker 1: need to see. I was a pink panther nut as
Speaker 1: a kid. I thought that was just nothing funnier in
Speaker 1: the world, right to me than inspector Clues. Oh, but
Speaker 1: you know, I think about Kubrick's like a lot of
Speaker 1: his the way he shot stuff with those you know,
Speaker 1: those um center punched frames. They're wide and and and
Speaker 1: last way too long, just just watching it, and it's
Speaker 1: it's so perfectly balanced. There's something about the way the
Speaker 1: composition is that he always does in the Clockwork Orange
Speaker 1: and another that is intrinsically funny to me, Like I
Speaker 1: can't you know, everybody thinks, oh, it's it's disturbed, or
Speaker 1: it's maybe it's it's so center punched that it's almost
Speaker 1: disturbing because it's like so calculated and specifically you think
Speaker 1: the tongue is in cheek. I do. I think there's
Speaker 1: something I get that something where he's going, look at this,
Speaker 1: how stupid this is or how absurd this is? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and something about the framing makes me go make the
Speaker 1: giddy kind of tickles my tummy, and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, like you know, and like the scenes in
Speaker 1: Full Metal Jacket when he's you know, they're when they're
Speaker 1: marching around and it's like, this is my you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think this is my rifle. This is my gun.
Speaker 1: And it just holds on it for too long and
Speaker 1: it stays center punched and it never does anything else,
Speaker 1: and it's just after a while, I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start laughing, Yeah ahead, miss Cooper. And I think
Speaker 1: he's I think he's doing I think it's intentional. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't know. I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's like, well that this is a pretty
Speaker 1: frame or whatever, like he's not being he's not like
Speaker 1: being serious. No, I don't think so. I think you're
Speaker 1: right there there. There's little bits of humor throughout his
Speaker 1: stuff when you kind of look at it through that lens.
Speaker 1: I heard somebody describing Strangelove as like it's it's mel Brooks.
Speaker 1: But but conducted by this like brilliant chess playing, you know,
Speaker 1: math chess master, you know, hyperintelligent filmmaker. But it's but
Speaker 1: it's mel Brooks or something totally. That's an interesting Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you were talking a second ago about the
Speaker 1: serious stuff in this movie, like all of the all
Speaker 1: of the stuff on the plane, all of the um,
Speaker 1: the conversations, the political conversations, it's all like it is
Speaker 1: not I mean, it's satire, but it's not. It's all
Speaker 1: perfectly squared away and as it would be, like it's
Speaker 1: not like he wrote it funny. He writes it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's funny stuff going on around it, but it's all
Speaker 1: very real. I mean, GEORGEI. Scott has that folder on
Speaker 1: his desk. Where where is it? World targets and Mega Deaths.
Speaker 1: That's the holder? Is that what it says? Yes, that's
Speaker 1: a on the the title on the spine, and that
Speaker 1: was the whole thing of a fairly new idea of
Speaker 1: uh talking about Megadeth's like numbering deaths and megadeths because
Speaker 1: of nuclear war was a new thing, and that's one
Speaker 1: of the folders. He's like squeezing at his chest once. Uh,
Speaker 1: the ambassador gets there. You know that that the pink
Speaker 1: O Commi ambassador. He's got a guard all the stuff.
Speaker 1: So he's literally hugging the world targets in megades folder,
Speaker 1: you know, to keep it safe. Like, yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: a school boy. Yeah, but I mean that's a real thing.
Speaker 1: It's not you imagine. That's exactly what it was like, Um,
Speaker 1: we think I'm looking at all this other stuff. Those quote,
Speaker 1: the quotes in the movie are just out of control.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the most beautiful irony I've ever
Speaker 1: heard in a movie. Well, old gentlemen, I reckon, this
Speaker 1: is yet nuclear combat, toe to toe with the Rusks.
Speaker 1: And that's that. Johnny comes marching home. Que right there too,
Speaker 1: and they always come back to it when to come
Speaker 1: back to the guys. Yeah, it's just really it's the
Speaker 1: only time they use music, I think, except maybe at
Speaker 1: the beginning and the end. Yeah, there's yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: There's that elevator music at the beginning and the very
Speaker 1: end they have that song and then Johnny comes marching home.
Speaker 1: That refrain over and over and over that, done that,
Speaker 1: done that? Then that then that's so good. Well here's
Speaker 1: what the he's like. There's there's Mufflies talking to Turgison.
Speaker 1: He's like, there's nothing to figure out, General Turgison, the
Speaker 1: man is obviously a psychotics like well, you know's hold
Speaker 1: off on judgment on a thing like that until all
Speaker 1: the facts are in. He's like, Turchison, He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you initiated the human reliability tests, you assume that
Speaker 1: there were there was no possibility of such a thing
Speaker 1: ever happening. He's like, Wow, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: quite fair to condemn the whole program because of one
Speaker 1: little slip up. Well, and that's turg insince thing the
Speaker 1: whole time. He's it's not dawning on him that this
Speaker 1: is like possibly the end of the world, you know,
Speaker 1: or that you know, million people, like that's except doable.
Speaker 1: And I guess in the grand scheme of things, you know,
Speaker 1: he may be right. That's better than a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty million people. It's better than total annihilation, he says.
Speaker 1: He says, we are rapidly approaching a moment of truth
Speaker 1: for both ourselves as human beings and for the U
Speaker 1: and for the life of our nation. Um Now, truth
Speaker 1: is not always a pleasant thing, but it's necessary to
Speaker 1: make a choice, and to choose between two admittedly regrettable
Speaker 1: but nevertheless distinguishable post war environments, one where twenty million
Speaker 1: people get killed and the other one where you have
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty million people killed. And he's like,
Speaker 1: you're talking about mass murder, not war. And he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we might get our We're not gonna
Speaker 1: get her hair a little must another one of my
Speaker 1: favorite parts George. He's got really shines in this movie,
Speaker 1: like really hit me last night. But it's towards the
Speaker 1: end when they're talking about when the plane has been
Speaker 1: hit and they're flying super low under the radar and um,
Speaker 1: he's asking about their chances basically, and Georgie Scott gets
Speaker 1: all excited and he's kind of he kind of forgets
Speaker 1: himself that he's talking about, like, oh, yeah, they're going
Speaker 1: to drop the bomb. He's like, oh, yeah, you should
Speaker 1: see they can get down there real oh and he
Speaker 1: puts his arms out like plains wings. And then he
Speaker 1: realizes what he's talking about, you know, and he collects
Speaker 1: himself again. You should see it a big plan like
Speaker 1: Dad getting all a lot of we can something about
Speaker 1: roasting the chickens and the chicken house or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And before that, he has a flamboyant americanisms and patriotic yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, and he loves war, he loves power, he
Speaker 1: loves That's exactly it. He's excited. I mean, he's the
Speaker 1: one that leaps and he's he's envious city to do this.
Speaker 1: He's envious of the bomb. I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I wish we had one of those doomday devices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he's envious of of um uh Ripper. He's like,
Speaker 1: Ripper had the guts to like do this thing. That's right.
Speaker 1: He's he's kind of like secretly is like praising well
Speaker 1: and he and he's talking about when they're so excited
Speaker 1: when the bass is invading, you know, it's a civil
Speaker 1: war breaking out basically, and he's talking about like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a real hard time with my guys
Speaker 1: and the other guys, like with all due respect, like
Speaker 1: we should be able to brush on the side with
Speaker 1: ease or whatever. And you can tell it's like a
Speaker 1: big dick contest all of a sudden, all this in
Speaker 1: fighting and then you have and then this other really
Speaker 1: weird things like you have, um, what's what's the president
Speaker 1: of same Muffly Muffly, Merkin Muffly, who's this effeminate, these
Speaker 1: ridiculous names, kiss off Muffly back Guano, And he's like
Speaker 1: and Muffly is supposed to be like the one voice
Speaker 1: of a reason other than other than um the commander
Speaker 1: who's in there with with Ripper, other than Drake Man Drake,
Speaker 1: the British guy. But he so he's the point of
Speaker 1: reason and he's and it's just the opposite of what
Speaker 1: we have today today. The military is more cautious, and
Speaker 1: the president is you know, obviously the president so and
Speaker 1: you know, he's completely fucking insane. He is a great line.
Speaker 1: But didn't it inverted from when this movie was made.
Speaker 1: I mean, Eisenhower was the one who was like her
Speaker 1: first implemented the idea of like having an officer be
Speaker 1: able to in the event that the president has wiped out,
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it so that certain the officers can
Speaker 1: follow through with a nuclear strike like a Plan C
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, and and he was hesitant to do so,
Speaker 1: but then they made it a thing. And so that's
Speaker 1: what the whole movie is sort of based on, is
Speaker 1: like these these planes are always flying within two hours
Speaker 1: of their any target or whatever, and that's why they
Speaker 1: have to fuel in the air, you know, and and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But it's it's all based on that
Speaker 1: those early decisions. Yeah, there's I think still intact. Well,
Speaker 1: and he says that, he's like, you know, you're the
Speaker 1: one that signed off on this, and the disbelief, which
Speaker 1: is very reasonable, Like are you telling me like there's
Speaker 1: literally no way to back out of this at this point,
Speaker 1: Like there's no fail safe for us. And that's when
Speaker 1: GEORGEI Scott, that's when Turgenson says, well, we could look
Speaker 1: at this as an opportunity. If it's gonna happen anyway,
Speaker 1: we catch them with their pants down and just wipe
Speaker 1: them out, right, which is what and that's what Ripper wanted,
Speaker 1: is like, that's right, this is the only this is
Speaker 1: the way this goes down. And it gets into this
Speaker 1: thing of paradox is that that I think Cooper had mentioned,
Speaker 1: like there's no way to follow through on the game
Speaker 1: theory of this, or the or the military strategy or
Speaker 1: the chess game. There's no way. It's that wargames thing
Speaker 1: of like there's no way that the malcome. So there's
Speaker 1: the irony or the you can look at the mathematically
Speaker 1: and go okay, in a nuclear strike, if you strike first,
Speaker 1: you can knock out of their of their artillery and
Speaker 1: there and then they'll strike with what they have left,
Speaker 1: ten percent, with their ten percent, and they cannot got
Speaker 1: ninety percent of ours. So at the end we have
Speaker 1: ten percent left and they have nothing. So where we went. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the world is no longer inhabitable. And that's it's always
Speaker 1: like this. Yeah, that's so, there's that one paradox of
Speaker 1: like the theory. And that's before they learn of the
Speaker 1: doomsday device, of course, which wipes out everybody, which is
Speaker 1: just a fear mechanism. Um. The other one was the
Speaker 1: always never dilemma. Um, let me read this. It says
Speaker 1: the UH command and control of nuclear weapons has long
Speaker 1: been plagued by an always never dilemma. The administrative, administrative,
Speaker 1: and technological systems that are necessary to ensure that nuclear
Speaker 1: weapons are always available to use in wartime might be
Speaker 1: quite different from the ones UH that's necessary to guarantee
Speaker 1: that such weapons can never be used without proper authorization
Speaker 1: in peace time. And those two things are in perfect
Speaker 1: conflict with each other. And there's a way to reconcile them.
Speaker 1: So there it is, right. And the weirdest think of
Speaker 1: all is that the president, you know, even if even
Speaker 1: if these other people have to go through certain procedures
Speaker 1: and they have to be two keys, and there's two
Speaker 1: different cut parts of a code that's sent unlock the
Speaker 1: two keys so that they can both check each other
Speaker 1: before doing a nuclei. There's all these things at hand
Speaker 1: if you're like if if Washington has been wiped out.
Speaker 1: But the end, the other side of that is that
Speaker 1: the president is the only person that has zero checks
Speaker 1: because there's all there's always the I see I c
Speaker 1: B M s take ten minutes. That's not enough time
Speaker 1: to get Congress to vote. So there has to be
Speaker 1: a the ability of the president to launch an all
Speaker 1: out in nuclear strike at all times. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what that policy looks like now. And I heard
Speaker 1: they were trying to change it because of our current president. Really,
Speaker 1: I heard that there was that the Pentagon they're actually scared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I don't have anything to verify that,
Speaker 1: but um, well it makes sense, Yeah, it does. The
Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts is early on when uh
Speaker 1: and I love all the Man Drake Ripper stuff. It's
Speaker 1: just so great and um, like, Ripper has clearly lost
Speaker 1: his mind because from the beginning he's talking about the conspiracy,
Speaker 1: which was in the fifties it was a real thing
Speaker 1: that people were worried about. Was the floridation. Then it
Speaker 1: was the Russians, and you know they were brainwatching is
Speaker 1: basically poison us the communist conspiracy to exactly. But Ripper
Speaker 1: has bought into this and Man Drake, God, he's so
Speaker 1: good and sellers so good in their role. He uh,
Speaker 1: there's that one scene where he Ripper commonly gets up, walks,
Speaker 1: unlocks the door, puts the key in his pocket and
Speaker 1: Mandrake doesn't even notice, like because they're just talking. And
Speaker 1: then Man Drake has his has his moment. He stands
Speaker 1: at attention and he's basically like, you know, I have
Speaker 1: to tell you right now that you know, as an officer,
Speaker 1: I can't go through this or whatever how he says it,
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave and go stop this.
Speaker 1: And he goes over and then he checks the other
Speaker 1: door and that's locked, right, and he knows and the
Speaker 1: look on the look on Man Drake's face seller's face
Speaker 1: when he's like, oh no, it's' to my thinking, that's
Speaker 1: really not quite the way. It's right a way to
Speaker 1: look at it. Whatever. And he's like because of this
Speaker 1: and that, I mean, he dawns on him. He's like, uh, right, right,
Speaker 1: So it's my duty at this point in time to
Speaker 1: let you know that. But because i'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: servicing the Queen, the Queen's army or whatever, you all
Speaker 1: this procedural bullshit. It was interesting that they made him
Speaker 1: an RF officer. Um. And I think the first few
Speaker 1: times I saw this, I didn't fully understand that that
Speaker 1: was a real thing. Um, my brother in laws in
Speaker 1: the Marines and they they do that. He exchanged programs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that some of his best buddies over the years were
Speaker 1: these Royal Marines and and they they love that ship
Speaker 1: man to to find you know, a like minded dude
Speaker 1: with a cool accent. You know that they can bond with.
Speaker 1: They're the same over there, man, you know that mentality
Speaker 1: is the same. And he loved his his Royal Marine
Speaker 1: pals when they whenever they've trained together insteads cool. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a big deal. But I wonder why he
Speaker 1: did that though, in this Why have the British, I
Speaker 1: mean it could have been an American exo. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think maybe because he something about him being an outsider,
Speaker 1: being outside of the normal ranks. Yeah, maybe made us
Speaker 1: It would presuppose that this guy might be able to
Speaker 1: think differently, or might be he might be honoring his
Speaker 1: ultimate loyalty is to something different. Yeah, so that that
Speaker 1: gives him at least some plausibility to be able to
Speaker 1: like even stand up to this guy. Or it doesn't really,
Speaker 1: but well they sort of test each other, you know,
Speaker 1: Like um that that scene later before um Ripper kills
Speaker 1: himself in the bathroom, he's asking about you know where
Speaker 1: you're ever a prisoner of war? We ever tortured? And
Speaker 1: Peter Sellers He's so nervous at that point. He's like, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I was the Japanese torture me and it's
Speaker 1: not not a pleasant story, right. He's like, I figured
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a pretty good time with me when
Speaker 1: they get up here. Yeah, and they're probably gonna be
Speaker 1: able to It's like, without a doubt they're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to extract the code from you, So you might
Speaker 1: as want to give it to me, Yeah, he he
Speaker 1: really uses to his or tries to use it to
Speaker 1: his advantage. And then then he goes in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, just clean yourself up or whatever. I
Speaker 1: think that's a wonderful and then the door is blocked
Speaker 1: by the body. It's so funny and morbid. It's really
Speaker 1: great hum and all those sets are just amazing. I
Speaker 1: mean there's only a few sets, but they're just perfect.
Speaker 1: That war Room set is one of the most iconic
Speaker 1: movie sets in history. I think, yeah, it's betiful, it's
Speaker 1: it's vast, but yet at the same time, it feels
Speaker 1: like you're underneath a volcano. Yeah, it's gorgeous. It's so clean,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's they used darkness so to their advantage
Speaker 1: because they just cloak it all in black. It just
Speaker 1: falls except for the you know, the great Ring light,
Speaker 1: which apparently was most of the lighting. It's almost like
Speaker 1: this the war Room exists in this ambiguous, like nebulous space.
Speaker 1: Yeah that we don't know where it is or how
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's so cool with matrix or something
Speaker 1: when you see pictures of it, because it doesn't it
Speaker 1: reads differently when like when you see a photograph of
Speaker 1: the set like as they were using it. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just it's fucking great. It's gorgeous. And those set you know,
Speaker 1: it was the sixties, so it's not like he you know,
Speaker 1: he made it look like the times, but all those
Speaker 1: great uh, the big computer rooms and and then Ripper's
Speaker 1: office it was just like so like beautifully sixty and
Speaker 1: then the low the low angles on in the wor room.
Speaker 1: You could always shoot up and get you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Storgy Scott always has the big board behind him. There's
Speaker 1: always there. We'll see the big board. There's so many
Speaker 1: classic lines. There's no fighting, whi there's another huge piece
Speaker 1: of of delicious irony almost every time you see the
Speaker 1: men fighting. Whether that I don't know if that footage
Speaker 1: was stuff they shot for the movie or not, but
Speaker 1: I think he shot it. Yeah, Okay, it looks seems
Speaker 1: like he would have to. It looks like stock documentary footage.
Speaker 1: But but he shot it to make it feel like
Speaker 1: word word because they use the outside of shepherds and studios.
Speaker 1: Apparently it is the but everywhere and almost every background
Speaker 1: there's a sign that says pieces are profession Well, well,
Speaker 1: the tanks are going off on it. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's so like obviously on the nose, but then the
Speaker 1: whole movie is just so on the nose, so over
Speaker 1: the top, and it's specific, you know, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people, I don't know how you can miss that.
Speaker 1: A lot of people seem to think, you know what,
Speaker 1: I guess the satire falls off on some peoples. This
Speaker 1: is the most specifically clear. Yeah, like he's banging you
Speaker 1: over the head with it. Yeah, it's not like GEORGEI.
Speaker 1: Scott is actually playing a guy who's who's thoughtful, right,
Speaker 1: he's playing He's just an archetype. He's just a caricature,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: could read anything else into it. But the of course
Speaker 1: the grain alcohol and rainwater. Yeah, that's that became such
Speaker 1: an iconic sort of thing. I've heard that line uttered
Speaker 1: in many a bar. Have you makes sense? People? You know,
Speaker 1: I got the man drake, Man Drake. Do you recall
Speaker 1: what so and so said about war? He's like, war
Speaker 1: is too important to be left for the generals. Um,
Speaker 1: when he said that fifty years ago, he may have
Speaker 1: been right, but today it's too important to be left
Speaker 1: to the politicians. They neither have the time, the training,
Speaker 1: nor the inclination for strategic thought. And I can no
Speaker 1: longer sit back and allow the communist infiltration and communist
Speaker 1: indoctrination and communist subversion of the international communist conspiracy to
Speaker 1: sap and it purify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Speaker 1: And then the whole movie is about bodily fluids. I know,
Speaker 1: the whole movie is about male power. Yeah, kicks it
Speaker 1: all off. I just love how no matter what, even
Speaker 1: like whether it's it's she calls him in the room,
Speaker 1: she's like, but you know, but don't you want to
Speaker 1: spend time with me or whatever? And he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I love your baby. Yeah, I'm gonna make you. Mrs.
Speaker 1: This is targetson. You start to count down, and I
Speaker 1: will be before you say blast off. A little buddy
Speaker 1: will be back before he blast off. And then and
Speaker 1: she's yeah, I mean everything about it is just body
Speaker 1: humor and sex. And then the President's call with Dmitri,
Speaker 1: who's a drunk on the other end of the line,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's like I think he's been drinking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like their ex there ex lovers or something is
Speaker 1: the way that the relationship works, right, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: why do you think I'm calling you just to say hello?
Speaker 1: Of course I like to speak to you. Of course
Speaker 1: I like to say hello. Not now, but anytime. Dmitri.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you see this chunk of dialogue, I'm
Speaker 1: just as sorry as you are to me. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: He just acts the ship out of that part, and
Speaker 1: I guess it's all improv a lot of it. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, man, I'd be curious because
Speaker 1: that's such a large chunk. Yeah. The camera, the camera
Speaker 1: don't cut it at all. And GEORGEI Scott too, he
Speaker 1: has these uh I mean, he just acts the ship
Speaker 1: out of it. There these just long, crazy monologues where
Speaker 1: he's not and not I mean he's physically acting too.
Speaker 1: That scene where he falls over was real, apparently, and
Speaker 1: he was mad that they kept it in the movie
Speaker 1: or whatever was he I guess so interesting. And you
Speaker 1: can tell that they cut pretty quick after he stands
Speaker 1: aback up because he's as he's standing up, he's still deliver.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's beautiful. It's one of the great moments
Speaker 1: in the movie because you're left to wonder like was
Speaker 1: that real? Yeah, or did that just happen? Was that
Speaker 1: written in What is I mean this like, I don't again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's ever been a movie like
Speaker 1: this or ever will be again. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: seems like there's Wag the Dog, and then there's Veep
Speaker 1: and there's these like attempts at Death of Salin. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen that yet. It's just fucking great.
Speaker 1: In fact, that movie totally comes closer to this than
Speaker 1: anything I've seen, I think, does it Death of Salin?
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, yeah, I mean a different film,
Speaker 1: but it feels like a little bit of the DNA
Speaker 1: of this film is in that movie. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: guess that brings me to the idea of like what
Speaker 1: there's so much that could not have come after without
Speaker 1: this movie, Like this movie is responsible. I even think
Speaker 1: about like it's almost like a mockumentary, you know, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I mean when they cut of the war footage and
Speaker 1: they have like I guess that the beginning is like
Speaker 1: a slate that they had to roll from the US
Speaker 1: Air Force that they had to put in the movie.
Speaker 1: I think that that first, the first like role that says,
Speaker 1: oh that it's not based on anyone real or something
Speaker 1: like that. But but even I mean everything about it,
Speaker 1: there's and then they have the objective narrator, um, you know,
Speaker 1: this omniscient narrator, who's who's like like a war time
Speaker 1: you know, like a news reel, like a newsreel, who's
Speaker 1: giving you this this stuff? And that happens I think
Speaker 1: twice in the movie, and then they cut to this
Speaker 1: newsreel footage like war footage of the attack on the base.
Speaker 1: And other than that, right, it's all stage, but it
Speaker 1: just it's got this feel to me like a mockumentary
Speaker 1: quality to it. It's supposed to feel like a newsreel
Speaker 1: at times. And I don't know if spinal tap would
Speaker 1: have happened without Strange Love, don't you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: The onion may not have happened without Stranger Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I honestly think it's and it's just so ahead of
Speaker 1: its time. I'm curious about the birth of satire. I
Speaker 1: don't know much about it, Like what the first satire was.
Speaker 1: Well for it, there's I mean there's I guess you
Speaker 1: can even look at like Shakespeare, there's always a clown
Speaker 1: who's mocking a king. You know, there's there's evidence of
Speaker 1: political satire that goes pretty far back, I think, But
Speaker 1: I I don't know if it's ever handled like you know,
Speaker 1: the End of the World or if ever, if ever,
Speaker 1: it's been so black and so you know, nihilistic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And how else can you
Speaker 1: treat this stuff? I guess they wanted to. Apparently they
Speaker 1: spent a year is trying to make this into a
Speaker 1: real They yeah, they they were. It was only it
Speaker 1: was late in the game they decided in in like
Speaker 1: many iterations of the script, they kept laughing and they
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, well we're laughing. This is really a comedy.
Speaker 1: So before it was straight they wanted to make a
Speaker 1: thriller into the world thriller, and then fail Safe came
Speaker 1: out a few years later. I guess. Yeah. I saw
Speaker 1: there was like a lawsuit or something. Yeah, we tried
Speaker 1: to sue and that's Sydney le May I think. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm I just I'm so struck at how the genius
Speaker 1: of going, oh, there's no other way to handle this.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't take this stuff seriously, and we'll
Speaker 1: end it with a pie fight. Yeah, well, in with
Speaker 1: a fucking magnificent glorious pie fight that's on far with
Speaker 1: like total annihilation. I love how there's no I love
Speaker 1: how quickly the story gets going. I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: like it's fired out of a cannon with Ripper early
Speaker 1: on setting the stakes, um, having lost his mind, and like,
Speaker 1: this is what's happening, and there's no like you're right,
Speaker 1: it's not like any other movie. There's no kind of
Speaker 1: classic character development as you think of it in films. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just but but the characters are all super developed somehow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like this weird little magic trick, uh, in a
Speaker 1: movie that's an hour and forty five minutes long that
Speaker 1: just gets going so fast. It's this portrait of total
Speaker 1: and complete absurdity. Yeah. And it's it's just gotting gorgeous. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I've just never seen anything quite like it.
Speaker 1: Well and gorgeous. You know, we can't. I know, we
Speaker 1: talked about the sets some and but we haven't really
Speaker 1: touched on the black and white and just what a
Speaker 1: beautiful movie it is. Yeah, I it's it's low key,
Speaker 1: it feels. I heard somebody talking about how at the
Speaker 1: time there was color movies were for comedies and black
Speaker 1: and whites were still reserved for like, you know, noirs,
Speaker 1: and so we kind of flipped it. So we kind
Speaker 1: of flipped that too, you know. Um, And I don't
Speaker 1: know if audience is going in had any you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't. I don't know if they knew what they
Speaker 1: were going into. Yeah, I don't know if they I
Speaker 1: don't know how they would have responded. I mean, was
Speaker 1: it was it promoted as a as a comedy or
Speaker 1: was it I don't know. I don't know, man, in
Speaker 1: what did the American public think of this? Right? It?
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the subversive thing about it. Maybe he was
Speaker 1: like hoping they would go in thinking, oh, this is
Speaker 1: a real thriller, like this is an actual thing, and
Speaker 1: they get they get this other thing that they were
Speaker 1: not expecting and maybe don't even know how to react
Speaker 1: to because there's not necessarily you know, there's no cop right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's the verses. That's subverse of as hell, that's
Speaker 1: punk rock as hell. Yeah yeah, I mean, get everybody
Speaker 1: in the theater and then feed him this and then
Speaker 1: there's all these people, the backlash from the military saying
Speaker 1: this is completely inaccurate. This is you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: borderline dangerous. Um. And it turns out the it wasn't inaccurate.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I read that a lot of like even
Speaker 1: the pilots in all We're like, no, this was scarily accurate,
Speaker 1: so much so that the Kubrick was afraid that the
Speaker 1: guy who helped him out with that stuff had gotten
Speaker 1: illegal information. Cooper always seems to be a time traveler
Speaker 1: to me. He seems to always have his hand on
Speaker 1: on some either either he's got a magical imagination or
Speaker 1: he's actually, you know, in some conspiracy, you know, like
Speaker 1: got a straight line into like all of the classified information. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, in the Illuminati or something, right, you know,
Speaker 1: it was all these conspiracy because he doesn't again and
Speaker 1: again and again. Yeah, and he always seems to have
Speaker 1: be way way out in front of way ahead of whatever. Um.
Speaker 1: So there's something magical about his genius that Yeah, nobody
Speaker 1: can put their finger on. He's the best ever, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really is in his own way. Yeah. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: like I'm trying, I mean, we did a series and
Speaker 1: we didn't abandon it. We just kind of paused it.
Speaker 1: With my buddy Casey here, Casey on kuber Can we
Speaker 1: covered that so it show and Barry Lyndon and full
Speaker 1: Metal Jacket and the Shining I think was all and
Speaker 1: that's our Did we do Ramesay? Did we do uh
Speaker 1: uh now I can't think of it. The Drew Gies,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, clock Recorn? Did we do clock Recrange Orange? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, that was a j Yeah did Yeah, we
Speaker 1: did passive Glory, that's right. And then we were killing. Well,
Speaker 1: we didn't do the killing. We didn't do alone. What's
Speaker 1: his name Hayden? Oh? Is he in that Sterling Hayden? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the he's the lead. Oh wow, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've only seen The Killing once and that was like
Speaker 1: in college. Yeah. But Cooper was always just so in
Speaker 1: his own lane, like they're they're more than movies. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to like to elevate him to this like
Speaker 1: God likes that. I mean, there's there weren't they weren't movies.
Speaker 1: They were different, they were different, and there's like I
Speaker 1: was just in London and there was the Cooper exhibit
Speaker 1: at the Design mused him when I missed that in
Speaker 1: l A. I went over there and I tried to
Speaker 1: like I I didn't look it up before. I just
Speaker 1: went over there because we had a film in the festival.
Speaker 1: And I went over there and tried to get in
Speaker 1: and it was sold out and unfortunately, so I didn't
Speaker 1: get to go in and look just snuck in. I
Speaker 1: was like, say, there's almost snuck in. I got half
Speaker 1: way in and my wife was lingering behind, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I either need to just ad her, abandoned
Speaker 1: her and go in here and see this. And when
Speaker 1: I when I came back and I was like, cod
Speaker 1: I could have gotten and she's like, should have gone in, man,
Speaker 1: I would have figured it out right, Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: She's like, I would have just gone and had tea
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, what are you doing in London? We
Speaker 1: were there because our film The Dark Red was screening
Speaker 1: had its European premiere at um fright Fest. How'd that
Speaker 1: It was fantastic and really had a We had a
Speaker 1: killer you know how A bunch of our crew came
Speaker 1: Um Elizabeth, the Bit of Itch came in April, Billings
Speaker 1: Leave the League came and Davidovich is our stunt or
Speaker 1: nator and she's amazing, and U Ben Lovett was there,
Speaker 1: our composer, and Victoria Warren was there and Victoria's our
Speaker 1: our DP. That's great. Yeah, we all came in like
Speaker 1: the movie was really well received and uh yeah it
Speaker 1: was just it was the best we could have ever
Speaker 1: hoped for because how Fun Fest is like one of
Speaker 1: the top four genre fests and just to have it
Speaker 1: so well received, and we were scared because the movie
Speaker 1: is not total horror. It's not for a genre festival.
Speaker 1: This one's a little bit more of a thought piece,
Speaker 1: and it was maybe they needed a break from the
Speaker 1: like the crazy blight splatter, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: very well received and we're excited. That's awesome, dude. And
Speaker 1: it's coming out in March, so and in London, Like,
Speaker 1: how fun was that? Yeah? One of my favorite cities
Speaker 1: in the world. It's yeah, it's like the coolest city ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had forgotten how I just love it. Man. I
Speaker 1: would move to London in a sec. It was Berlin forever.
Speaker 1: Now it's London again. I've never been. I missed my chance. Well,
Speaker 1: I had a question for you when you were a kid,
Speaker 1: because you're my age, So, to what degree before the
Speaker 1: Cold the Cold War sort of collapsed around the wall
Speaker 1: coming down, Um, to what degree were you did you
Speaker 1: grow up like me, terrified the there was gonna be
Speaker 1: a nuclear war. I mean that was the shadow that
Speaker 1: we lived in. Yeah, it was very real. I remember,
Speaker 1: as I'm sure you do, the day after that TV
Speaker 1: movie with Jason Robards and my dad. After that movie, Uh,
Speaker 1: we started building a bomb shelter in our basement. Seriously, Yes,
Speaker 1: we started digging out. It was behind our this wood shop.
Speaker 1: Behind the cinder black walls of the wood shop was
Speaker 1: you know, red clay. And he knocked a hole in
Speaker 1: that wall and we started digging and he had me
Speaker 1: and my brother digging and you physically built a bomb. Well, no,
Speaker 1: we didn't, true true to form. Uh. He stopped after
Speaker 1: a few weeks and we had, you know, after my
Speaker 1: brother and I dug out, you know, a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty wheelbarrels full of red clay. He what was that
Speaker 1: impact on you? Like you're like, okay, we're taking for one.
Speaker 1: What was the impact of like, okay, we're building a
Speaker 1: bunker and like we're in this because the world's gonna end.
Speaker 1: Part of you think that's kind of cool and to
Speaker 1: what was what was the impact of, like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: not doing this anymore? Because that was just a movie
Speaker 1: and nobody really cares. Well, I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: So part of it is kind of cool because, um,
Speaker 1: I think there's something about war games and growing up
Speaker 1: with that film and uh red Don with that film
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of like yeah, man, like
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in the woods with a rifle
Speaker 1: and a football or in a bunch of cans of
Speaker 1: soup and we'll be and we'll be okay, Like I
Speaker 1: still have that zombie apocalypse sort of weird fantasy like
Speaker 1: we'd be all right. We did too. I lived in
Speaker 1: um the plasm Midwood area in Charlotte, North Carolina, and
Speaker 1: there was this section of woods behind like the golf
Speaker 1: course over there, and there was this weird division between
Speaker 1: where we were the like sort of middle class over
Speaker 1: middle class and then the and then like this weird
Speaker 1: pocket of like upper middle class and man sins and
Speaker 1: ship and the dividing line with these were these woods
Speaker 1: and we would play Vietnam War. We would go in
Speaker 1: there I had seen like I think I've seen Apocalypse
Speaker 1: now or something, and we would go in there and
Speaker 1: we would ambush each other and we just it was
Speaker 1: just it was the most delightful these war games we
Speaker 1: play in the woods were the most delightful thing in
Speaker 1: the world. I didn't have anything about the true terror
Speaker 1: of Vietnam. No, we did the same thing, man, but
Speaker 1: we shot bottle rockets at each other. Roman candle wars,
Speaker 1: Yeah are the best. But to answer your second part
Speaker 1: of that question, when we stopped building it, I was
Speaker 1: just relieved and not have to be digging anymore. On
Speaker 1: the weekend, there was no sense of like, but are
Speaker 1: we gonna be okay? Like why aren't we doing this
Speaker 1: thing that seemed very important? Um? But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I was watching Red Dawn and Night did the Comment
Speaker 1: and all these sort of disaster scenario movies. But it
Speaker 1: was just like you said it. It was the way
Speaker 1: it was. I went to my friend of mine was
Speaker 1: was My parents did not We didn't go to church
Speaker 1: growing up. We quit very early on. My My dad
Speaker 1: was he was a chemist, and he had had an
Speaker 1: experience at his at the church, some church in South
Speaker 1: Carolina where he had like basically abandoned he at one
Speaker 1: point that they showed signs of being very racist at
Speaker 1: this one church that he was sort of interested. He
Speaker 1: was actually doing Sunday We're like Bible school in um
Speaker 1: for adults, and and he basically said, I'm never going
Speaker 1: to darken your doors again. I'm done with this. And
Speaker 1: then it's there was this snowball effect with him if
Speaker 1: he eventually backed away from the entire thing. And he
Speaker 1: basically raised us almost as atheists, um or at least agnostics,
Speaker 1: and anything that has any dog at all he's terrified of.
Speaker 1: He's like anybody who thinks that they know the right
Speaker 1: way to do anything, then walk away as quick as
Speaker 1: possible with run or stop them. And we're men. But
Speaker 1: this there's this one friend of mine who took me
Speaker 1: to like this youth Christian church camp and my dad
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I guess you can go see what
Speaker 1: the other side like. And I went, and uh, I
Speaker 1: met all the crazies there. They're all these kids that
Speaker 1: were like part of this youth Christian camp thing. And
Speaker 1: I was the one guy who I kept it hush
Speaker 1: hush at that point because I had learned by going
Speaker 1: to camp in South Carolina that you the more I
Speaker 1: speak about this, the less the more I'm hated and
Speaker 1: people fear me. You're like, they don't know that I
Speaker 1: played the one I would play the Beatles and and
Speaker 1: talk about you know how much I don't I don't
Speaker 1: go to church, and then yeah, how God, we don't
Speaker 1: know if God exists, and they would like you know,
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, I was outcast, so I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll shut up about that. But when I but I
Speaker 1: met all these kids who were like obsessed. They sent
Speaker 1: me after I get left camp there like we decided
Speaker 1: you're cool enough, and they sent me this letter in
Speaker 1: the mail with like this debriefing about what to do
Speaker 1: in case of a nuclear war and how they have
Speaker 1: the survivalist club that they had started talking nine years old,
Speaker 1: ten years old and scary sh yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 1: you guys have started your own like clubbed on how
Speaker 1: to survive in nuclear war and you're inviting me to
Speaker 1: join your posse, And was just like it was and
Speaker 1: they were it was insane. But that's the kind of
Speaker 1: ship that would happen to us when we were growing
Speaker 1: up in the shadow of nuclear war. We did it
Speaker 1: for fun. This weird thing happened, Sure, this weird thing happened.
Speaker 1: Where it all and I would I wouldn't remember. I
Speaker 1: was at a very open school and we had joined
Speaker 1: this extra crew curricular class in the sixth grade called
Speaker 1: the World Peace Club. We would talk about ways that
Speaker 1: we could. Yeah, but I just was terrified growing up.
Speaker 1: I was literally I was like, Okay, this is how
Speaker 1: we're going out. And it affected this sensibility to me
Speaker 1: of like nothing matters. Well, why not litterally? Why not?
Speaker 1: Why not smoke? Why not do drugs? Who gives a ship?
Speaker 1: You know? Right? I think? And then at some point
Speaker 1: it all went away. At some point it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's gone true. We dodged a bullet there, didn't
Speaker 1: we But it hasn't. There's still these broken arrows, which
Speaker 1: is broken airs the term for lost nuke. There's just
Speaker 1: broken airs that happened all the time. And I brought
Speaker 1: you this. This is um a print out of all
Speaker 1: the broken arrows. Well, it's the thirty five. It's the
Speaker 1: thirty five declassified broken arrows that really they were speaking about.
Speaker 1: And one of them is in off a Tybee Island.
Speaker 1: Well I know about that one, yeah, yeah, the one
Speaker 1: that it's underwater somewhere right. Another one in Aiken, South
Speaker 1: Carolina's gloss from there's one an, there's one an. There
Speaker 1: was a broken arrow happening in Aken there's one in
Speaker 1: um Florence, South Carolina. Why are they all in South Carolina?
Speaker 1: I don't know there's hundreds. This is just happened to
Speaker 1: be the ones around. This is gonna be my toilet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I figured you guys have talked about that on No
Speaker 1: you know, we've never done on this a great idea
Speaker 1: of broken arrow and stuff. You should know it's not
Speaker 1: just a Travolta movie. Wasn't that dult? Was it that general?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Am I thinking face off? Face off?
Speaker 1: Ramsey's nodding? Um, anyway, back to the movie. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: know it's it's all It all ties in. You know.
Speaker 1: I think the movie for me because of that, because
Speaker 1: of growing up in the shadow of of this weird,
Speaker 1: absurd condition that we all might blow yourselves up in
Speaker 1: any minute. The movie was this like release of pressure
Speaker 1: for me. When did you see it first? I think
Speaker 1: I saw it in college, So I didn't see it
Speaker 1: in high school. I must have been I definitely didn't
Speaker 1: see it in high school. I was thinking college. I
Speaker 1: must have seen it around something in anyway, So right
Speaker 1: when we were going in the first like Gulf War,
Speaker 1: right around then is when I saw it. So I
Speaker 1: was already kind of anti war kid at the time.
Speaker 1: And then did you sit around and watch the war
Speaker 1: on TV in college? Like yeah, yeah, at the pizza
Speaker 1: and we go to the pizza place and watch the war. Um,
Speaker 1: it was weird, but I in the way that people
Speaker 1: were reacting, in the way that like the frat boys
Speaker 1: in this school that I was in were like so
Speaker 1: immediately gun home about it. I was like, and then
Speaker 1: I've seen and then I think I watched the movie
Speaker 1: Strange Loove and and it just was like this release like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm not crazy, So I'm not the only one
Speaker 1: who gets that this is all bullshit and all these
Speaker 1: people are fucking crazy and this is just completely insane.
Speaker 1: This is lunacy. Yeah, And I was like, oh, so
Speaker 1: there's been subversive messages from way back. There's a there's anyway.
Speaker 1: The relief of knowing that I wasn't the only one
Speaker 1: that felt this way and that there is actually a
Speaker 1: long history of it was it was wonderful. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean that's why the movie is kind of a crush
Speaker 1: for me. Well, it's a it's a it's a movie
Speaker 1: too that changes over the years for as you age,
Speaker 1: because my first viewings of this is a lot of
Speaker 1: it was lost on me, and um uh, A lot
Speaker 1: of it was the broad performances that I thought were funny,
Speaker 1: and of course Dr Strangelove and his alien hand syndrome,
Speaker 1: which I have no idea why they did that. Um
Speaker 1: I think my favorite thing about all of that is
Speaker 1: the fact that no one ever acknowledges it. You know
Speaker 1: that the great I mean, there's funny stuff through choking himself,
Speaker 1: you mean, and yeah, but at the end when he's uh,
Speaker 1: it's the sequence of hand steering the wheelchair and a
Speaker 1: little circle he's like trying to go away. It's like
Speaker 1: and then to the chin punch, to the handbite, to
Speaker 1: the joke fucking sequence. I was dying and he came out.
Speaker 1: She's like, what are you laughing at? I was like,
Speaker 1: I can see that part a thousand times and it
Speaker 1: will still make me laugh out loud. Well, he's all
Speaker 1: of this is happening while he's talking about how to
Speaker 1: survive in all that stuff? Is that sellers? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not in the script, Like he has alien hand
Speaker 1: syndrome and no one notices. I don't know where they
Speaker 1: came up with the doctor Strange love character because he
Speaker 1: wasn't in the book that they were mostly basing it on.
Speaker 1: Apparently the president. It had to have been sellers because
Speaker 1: for roughly he originally was going to play him as
Speaker 1: being really really sick with a cold, and they said
Speaker 1: that he was so good at it with all the
Speaker 1: cold stuff that he uh and no one could keep
Speaker 1: a straight face. And they're like, and Kubrick was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta lose it, man, I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: fine such a fine line. Yeah, because that the president's
Speaker 1: role is such a straight role and cutting the pie
Speaker 1: thing like he's he's trimming down certain things that are
Speaker 1: too farcical or too slapsticky, and and and it becomes uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: It's like, why am I laughing at this? And he
Speaker 1: never gives you the full like, oh, this is to
Speaker 1: be dismissed. This is just a total He's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is not You can't dismiss this as as a
Speaker 1: as a as a pure slapstick farce. Each can't and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you so. And maybe in that
Speaker 1: sense the pie thing had to go, and and the
Speaker 1: over the over silliness. You know, if if he ever
Speaker 1: did the muffly maybe they had to go right, I
Speaker 1: mean the fine line and and the tone was his,
Speaker 1: his and his alone, like uh, sell no, Kubrick, I
Speaker 1: think of like that that line that he wanted to walk, Um,
Speaker 1: I think was his alone, like he what exactly what
Speaker 1: he wanted to do? Uh, And it was just genius.
Speaker 1: And I guess there were lots of the edits of
Speaker 1: the movie. Oh really Yeah, apparently they cut it a
Speaker 1: lot of times. I mean, you know, he was pretty
Speaker 1: obsessive at this point in his career with He's pretty
Speaker 1: exacting and hands on. Like I know there was an
Speaker 1: editor credited, but everything I read says that editor and
Speaker 1: also obviously Coop breaking right in the room. Yeah, cutting tape.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do that? Were you ever cutting film? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I started off cutting on a on a steam back
Speaker 1: um editing machine and same here. That was fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Even before that, I was cutting sixteen millimeter, which is
Speaker 1: um well eight millimeters like spaghetti. Yeah, but I had
Speaker 1: a little hite millimeter cutting spice cutting. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: kept my first The first couple of short films I
Speaker 1: made were sixteen millimeter and I yeah, I had to
Speaker 1: get a workprint and cut with the work print. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: That's what what I did. It was in the bands
Speaker 1: with all the stuff hanging on his little white gloves,
Speaker 1: tough grease pencils. Yeah, and then you had to get
Speaker 1: your negative cutter to conform everything. That was expensive. Such
Speaker 1: a cool process. Uh, I mean it's better now I'm
Speaker 1: not one of these guys. It's like, oh, Avoca, AVOD
Speaker 1: came out. Pretty much for the year I graduated from
Speaker 1: film school was like AVOD came out, and then everything
Speaker 1: that he had learned was Yeah, so I couldn't get
Speaker 1: a job editing because everybody coming out behind me we
Speaker 1: knew how to do digital editing. Yeah, but that was
Speaker 1: just the process. Like you know, editing is a is
Speaker 1: an art and no matter if you're cutting film or
Speaker 1: doing it with a click of the mouse, you got
Speaker 1: learned the new system, which there is something, there is
Speaker 1: something wonderful that's happened with the when you have the
Speaker 1: nonlinear digital editing that is I you know, it's like
Speaker 1: you can move so quickly that you can entertain several
Speaker 1: conversations with yourself. You have a backlog of ideas that
Speaker 1: you can kind of quickly. It's just a different game
Speaker 1: you can edit. It's just informs my just so different
Speaker 1: that I you know, and I know that it's thirty
Speaker 1: years ago now, but like it changed my brain. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can compose here, I can write, yeah, pretty much
Speaker 1: to today. I've cut my own movies. Like you don't
Speaker 1: work with an editor at all? No, No, I mean
Speaker 1: I would love I would love to if I found one, Um,
Speaker 1: would you be able to? You think? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think. You know, it's funny because I talked to Bruckner,
Speaker 1: David Bruckner. He's working on a movie called Nighthouse right
Speaker 1: now with Rebecca Hall, and he, you know, he always
Speaker 1: has these other editors that he's having to work with
Speaker 1: now because it's just contractually but it's still a director's cut.
Speaker 1: But he's an editor, like that's his gift, his magic editing.
Speaker 1: He's badass. So I'm like, how do you sit there
Speaker 1: and watch them push the buttons? And I don't. I
Speaker 1: haven't had to deal with that really yet. There was
Speaker 1: one instance on a movie called The Vault, which was
Speaker 1: we had another editor, but luckily we got rid of
Speaker 1: that editor and I took over and again and right
Speaker 1: try to salvage the movie. But yeah, so I would.
Speaker 1: It's like a cinematographer, if I could find a cinematographer,
Speaker 1: you know. And I've found some that I love, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay. And when I finally found that, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I feel good about not worrying about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but right now the editing, I don't. Yeah, so much fun.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. Editing is the best. Uh So. A couple
Speaker 1: of things here at the end of the movie that
Speaker 1: I loved um is a couple of lines. Is one
Speaker 1: that that last phone call with Dmitri and President Mofly,
Speaker 1: when he's explaining like the current situation, like you know,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna have to find that plane and shoot
Speaker 1: it down. Basically he goes, well, I'm sorry, they're jamming
Speaker 1: your radar and flying so low. That's what they're trained
Speaker 1: to do. It's initiative, you know. Oh man, I love it.
Speaker 1: And then when strange Love is describing the post war
Speaker 1: rebuilding effort, when he goes, animals could be bread and stop.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean, Sellers was such a genius. He
Speaker 1: left us so soon. He was fifty four years old, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just fifty four four, and he fell over at a
Speaker 1: breakfast table dead of a heart attack. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I think he was also had a lot of like demons,
Speaker 1: as the best comics often do. Right, Yeah, I'd like
Speaker 1: to read a good biography on him because he was
Speaker 1: a lot of problems. You know who's an expert on Sellers,
Speaker 1: Scott Poythress. Oh really, Yeah. He even was gonna he
Speaker 1: was trying to put together a film where he was
Speaker 1: going to play Sellers. Yeah, he's and he can do
Speaker 1: he can do a Sellers impersonation. That were Sellers doing
Speaker 1: other characters. I was about to say, no one even
Speaker 1: knows who Sellers was, and I think that was his
Speaker 1: whole jam, right, Yeah, I mean he'd been admitted that
Speaker 1: he didn't have any other personas outside He was tough dude.
Speaker 1: I mean he was married four times and admittedly just
Speaker 1: a sort of a monster. Um. I did see the
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Rush thing that they did a few years. I
Speaker 1: didn't see that that was a while ago. That The
Speaker 1: Lives of Peter Sellers or whatever. It's good. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's worth a watch, but uh, you know, britt Eklund,
Speaker 1: one of his wives, came out and she was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't like it because it portrayed him as a human.
Speaker 1: They're like, he he was a monster. Yeah, Jesus, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a tough guy. Uh, depression, you know, drug addiction, alcoholism.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how bad the drugs were. I know
Speaker 1: he's a big pod head twitches who cares about that,
Speaker 1: but right, he was. He was a messed up guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It fits into that whole the whole theory about the
Speaker 1: American clown and how I'm getting that some other time,
Speaker 1: but basically just the idea that, you know, we hate
Speaker 1: our clowns and other cultures, clowns represent their sort of
Speaker 1: outside of they're they're even more praised in some primal
Speaker 1: cultures than the priest or the medicine man. We hate
Speaker 1: our clowns. Yeah, Wen, they're they're praised because they are
Speaker 1: beyond dogma, because they are like, okay, they'll come in
Speaker 1: and the trickster is understand something that is outside, Like
Speaker 1: you think you understand the mind of God. Actually that's
Speaker 1: laughable because there's no way you could. And so they
Speaker 1: have in some senses, they're more sacred than the priest
Speaker 1: or whoever is this the spokesman, but in in the
Speaker 1: United States or it's it's in the Western culture, seems
Speaker 1: like we're so terrified of the clown that he becomes
Speaker 1: monstrous like the movie It or you know, these other
Speaker 1: movies like that. But we were terrified of them. And
Speaker 1: then the clowns that we have that are comedians, they
Speaker 1: they tend to have all these demons and they carry
Speaker 1: with them this it's a sad clown that, you know,
Speaker 1: and that the suicidal tendencies and the self destruction, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's I think it's part of that whole equation.
Speaker 1: Did you watch Baskets, No, zach alais is Huh, you
Speaker 1: should watch Baskets. Ok, it's great. He was a clown
Speaker 1: in the in the show. Okay, uh, that sounds perfect. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really good. But I think about like Joker,
Speaker 1: the movie Joker, and did you see it? I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it yet, Yeah, but you know, it's just that
Speaker 1: that and even yeah, these characters that were just terrified
Speaker 1: of anyway, I don't know, it seems like that's part
Speaker 1: of the equation with with Robin Williams and Peter Seller's
Speaker 1: and these other these other you know, guys who are
Speaker 1: somewhat self destructive or you know, yeah, all right, man,
Speaker 1: you got anything else do I, Um, you know, look
Speaker 1: at your notes. Yeah, I mean I'm probably gonna walk
Speaker 1: out and go, oh yeah, I forgot to talk about
Speaker 1: that thing we talked about Pablo Pharaoh the titles. Yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Bablo Pharaoh. I thought that was cool. That's very cool.
Speaker 1: And it all it all comes together because uh I
Speaker 1: never noticed that that that was the same exact script basically. Um, now,
Speaker 1: I think we've covered some good stuff here. I just
Speaker 1: think the movie is important because it's I just think
Speaker 1: it stands alone. I don't think there's anything quite like it.
Speaker 1: And so when I saw it, it was one of
Speaker 1: those movies that when you see it, you're just giddy
Speaker 1: because you're just like, oh my god, I can't believe
Speaker 1: this is somebody did this. Yeah, and it's a movie
Speaker 1: you want to talk about with other people. And it's
Speaker 1: the most efficient movie in the world. I mean, like
Speaker 1: every scene is so specifically clear cut and there's no
Speaker 1: fat in this movie now whatsoever. Yeah, but thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. Of course, man, think about what you
Speaker 1: want to do next. Um, I'll have you on before March.
Speaker 1: But where can people find the Dark Red in March?
Speaker 1: The Dark Red? Um it'll be on all of the
Speaker 1: pay outlets like iTunes and Google Play, and we'll do
Speaker 1: a big all that stuff from a push for it.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, so well, and then beyond that, we don't
Speaker 1: yet to be seen if it will be like a
Speaker 1: Netflix thing at some point or what. Cool. Maybe we're
Speaker 1: probably gonna be theatrical release like limited, So maybe around
Speaker 1: the release, it would be fun to get you and
Speaker 1: whoever you want to invite key players great from uh
Speaker 1: maybe your DP and the and the lead actress. They'd
Speaker 1: be fun sit around, do a little round table. I'd
Speaker 1: be just about the making of it and some insider stuff.
Speaker 1: I know people love that stuff. All right, Well, think
Speaker 1: about what you want to do next as well, and
Speaker 1: we'll get you in here like in the new year. Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks Dan, thanks for having me. Man. Bomie Crush is produced, edited,
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