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Speaker 1: Is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lollly. He is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 2: and well it's a lovely Monday here. Matt's in western Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: I'm in western New York. So we're doing a little

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Speaker 2: I'm doing on a little vacation time here, but I

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Speaker 2: don't really take vacations making time. Yeah, you know, the

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Speaker 2: family's out doing stuff. I'm here recording for you because

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Speaker 2: the Drive never sleeps. That's just the way it goes.

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Speaker 2: And Matt, I don't know if you've noticed this or not,

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Speaker 2: but ESPN has started its drafts here. It's a ranking series.

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Speaker 2: It is that time of year where Jeremy Fowler Pole's different,

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Speaker 2: you know, gms and scouts and things of that nature

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Speaker 2: from around the league and they come up with their

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Speaker 2: list of their top ten guys at each position. And

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Speaker 2: thus far, we've got three of these things in so

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Speaker 2: I thought we'd go through these. Cool. They're gonna do

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Speaker 2: these over the next eleven days so we can really

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Speaker 2: turn this into something we talk about all week long here.

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Speaker 2: So today they dropped their top ten Edge Rusher, So

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Speaker 2: I thought that one would be a good place to

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Speaker 2: start for us, particularly with the Steelers bent to it.

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Speaker 2: As you can imagine, you want to go from the

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Speaker 2: top or the bottom.

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Speaker 1: Let's go bottom up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the bottom you're going to get to the

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Speaker 2: others receiving votes and things of that nature. That this

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Speaker 2: just a little curious to me, and that the guys

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Speaker 2: who received votes listen to this group of guys that

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Speaker 2: received votes. Yeah, Zadarius Smith, Rashaun Gary, Danielle Hunter, Chandler Jones,

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Speaker 2: Josh Sweat, Ena Uosu. I don't even know if I

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Speaker 2: pronounced that correctly. Yeah, okay. And then Shaq Barrett also

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Speaker 2: receiving votes, didn't just miss the list the honorable mentions

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Speaker 2: where Jalen Phillips, Aiden Hutchinson, Trey Hendrickson, Khalil Mack, Cameron Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Now I say this by prefacing this with the fact

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Speaker 2: that Alex high Smith did not make the top ten list,

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Speaker 2: which I didn't expect him to. I didn't expect him

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Speaker 2: to make the top ten list.

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Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't either, But the fact that.

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Speaker 2: He didn't get a single vote, Yeah, that's a little odd,

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Speaker 2: especially when I look at some of those other names

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Speaker 2: on that, like Chandler Jones has been a great pass

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Speaker 2: rusher over the course of his career, he has, I

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Speaker 2: don't know that he's that guy anymore.

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Speaker 1: Especially after last year where he did nothing.

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Speaker 2: You know, he did nothing last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, jumped out of not well first of pull back

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Speaker 1: the curtain. I have not seen these lists yet. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at them as we expose them to our listeners,

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Speaker 1: and that's a lot of really good players. Absolutely, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, just missed the list. And I can't reiterate

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Speaker 1: enough that edge rushers in the league right now are awfully,

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Speaker 1: awfully good, you know. So the fact that high Smith

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Speaker 1: isn't mentioned, it's not because there's a bunch of jokers

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Speaker 1: on there, but also receiving votes, to me, is absolutely

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood he belongs in, you know, the Josh sweats,

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Speaker 1: the NWOSU. I'm not sure it quite belongs.

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Speaker 2: You know, he had he had his first that was

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Speaker 2: his first year of any true production. Last year he

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Speaker 2: had nine and a half sacks. If you look at

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Speaker 2: his career before that, in the previous five years, he

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Speaker 2: had like fifteen combined sacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he's a good, improving player. I just

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Speaker 1: don't think of him in this light at all, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know, maybe next year, you know,

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Speaker 2: high Smith makes the list. I mean, but you're talking

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Speaker 2: about a guy over in the last two seasons who's

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Speaker 2: had basically what twenty two and a half sacks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, right, Yeah. I thought his stock dramatically improved,

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Speaker 1: not just because he notched a lot of sacks last year,

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Speaker 1: but what wasn't on the other side too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that holds some water. I might have anything

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Speaker 2: He's declining as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the best days are gone.

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Speaker 2: And quite frankly, if Zadarius Smith was was that good still,

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Speaker 2: Minnesota doesn't trade him. They didn't get anything for.

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Speaker 1: Him right right now. It's a salary dumb right, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, same thing. You know, they're shopping Danielle Hunter again.

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Speaker 2: These guys were these guys were named brand products a

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Speaker 1: I'm actually shocked Hunters not higher on the list. I

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Speaker 1: mean that he's that he's also he's only a others

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you I mean, you look at the

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Speaker 2: the honorable mentions. Are we putting the cart before the

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Speaker 1: That's been the whole his whole career, to be honest

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Speaker 1: don't think most years he's a second pick in the

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Speaker 1: draft type prospect. And I know the Lions are a

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Speaker 1: hot team right now and hard knocks or in his

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Speaker 1: rookie year, but I don't know that Hutchinson's on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and kind of the same. I mean, Jalen Phillips again,

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Speaker 2: a good young, ascending player. There's two seasons he has

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Speaker 2: fifteen and a half sacks. Yeah, no, he we're saying,

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Speaker 2: it just kind of struck me as odd that he

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Speaker 2: these others, however, and some of these other guys did.

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Speaker 2: So that brings us to number ten on this list,

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Speaker 2: and this kind of shows you how difficult it is

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Speaker 2: to make this one. This guy's highest ranking was number five,

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Speaker 2: his lowest ranking unranked didn't get a vote twenty seven

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Speaker 2: years old. Last year he was number four, and that's

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Speaker 2: Joey Bosa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the fact that he's ten does say

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Speaker 1: a mouthful about how good this position is. Right now.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player, but he's been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't stay on the field, right, right, right.

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Speaker 1: And I heard the other day. I don't have the

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Speaker 1: the Chargers have like one hundred and thirty million in

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Speaker 2: And they they probably played in the same game about

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Speaker 2: twenty five plays.

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Speaker 1: Last year, exactly exactly. They're not getting nearly enough out

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing about Bosa. He's already in seven seasons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's when he should be in his prime,

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Speaker 1: and he's good. He just seems to be in the field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty and a half sacks in seven seasons out

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Speaker 2: of Joey Bosa, number nine, Von Miller, I have no

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Speaker 2: qualms with that. His highest rankings. Here's what I have

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Speaker 2: a problem. His highest ranking was number three, lowest ranking, unranked.

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Speaker 2: He's not the third best pass rusher. He's just we'll

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Speaker 1: But I think there are four that stand alone in

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Speaker 1: whatever order you want. And yeah, IFPN crew agrees, but

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Speaker 1: I that have anyone in that top four that's you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know if even even if you

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Speaker 2: look at TJ. Watt and said, well he was he

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Speaker 2: was hurt last year and so he missed a lot

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Speaker 2: of time. So did von Miller.

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Speaker 1: Miller, he missed a ton of time. I mean, so

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Speaker 1: did Boso. So you know, so did Chadler Jones. I

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Speaker 1: mean a lot of these guys we've already mentioned, and

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Speaker 1: Miller is really really dangerous, but he's not going to

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Speaker 2: No, he's not that guy anymore. He just isn't. Last

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Speaker 2: year he was number six, okay, uh, number eight. His

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Speaker 2: see that, you see the variants there. Yeah, last year

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Speaker 2: he was unranked. He's thirty years old. Matthew Judon, I

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Speaker 2: think he's a really good player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because we're not just talking past rushers,

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Speaker 1: we're talking edge overall play. Yeah. Yeah, he sets the edge. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's physical, he's hard to run against. But I would

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Speaker 1: have him behind Miller and Bosa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And at thirty, he's got us. We've seen the

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Speaker 2: best of him.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: At seven, highest ranking, number five, lowest ranking, unranked, he's

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Speaker 2: twenty five. Last year he was number eight on this list.

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Speaker 2: Brian Burns.

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Speaker 1: What blows me away as he was unranked by somebody.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, again, it just shows you the variance of

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Speaker 2: the opinions here. Well here's some of what happens with

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Speaker 2: this as well. Yeah, that's it, say, because, okay, so

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Speaker 2: I'm a scout for an NFL NFC team. I'm not

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Speaker 2: scouting a bunch of AFC teams because we only play

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Speaker 2: them once every well, you know, four years for sure,

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Speaker 2: but maybe maybe we'll throw in one extra game in there,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the in the off or the second

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Speaker 2: off year. But you don't play them a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: And if you're not playing that division that year, You're

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Speaker 2: not seeing those teams at all.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. That obviously is an issue, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: attention to the entire league as a whole. The other thing, too,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy's asking these guys, give me your top ten, and

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Speaker 1: Burns didn't make someone's top ten, so therefore he's unranked

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Speaker 1: by somebody. I can understand that, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but he's a good football player. Numbers, yeah,

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Speaker 2: number six. Not a lot of variants here with this guy,

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Speaker 2: because his highest ranking was five, his lowest ranking was eight,

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Speaker 2: so he was on everybody's list. Last year he was

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Speaker 2: number five, so it actually dropped the spot this year.

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Speaker 2: And that's Max Crosby.

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Speaker 1: See I have a little issue with this too, because

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Speaker 1: I said there's a top four. I think Crosby stands

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Speaker 1: alone as number five, and mentioned this with von Miller.

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Speaker 1: Nobody plays more snaps. I know Chandler Jones has been there,

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Speaker 1: but nobody gets he gets as much attention from opposing

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Speaker 1: blocking schemes as anyone. Raiders are rarely winning his secondary

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Speaker 1: doesn't help him, you know, like he's a one man

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know at twenty five, he's still sending

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Speaker 2: much like Burns. Those guys are both twenty five years old,

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Speaker 2: so we you know, there's still more meat on the

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Speaker 2: bone there for those guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a problem with putting Crosby behind this

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Speaker 2: next guy. Me too, But he has a lot of

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Speaker 2: variance here. So his highest ranking was number two, which

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Speaker 2: is insane to me. The lowest ranking unranked. Last year

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Speaker 2: sawn Reddick's I mean, again, as you said a thousand times,

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Speaker 2: he's a fastball off the edge. Yeah, yeah, but that's

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Speaker 2: all he is.

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Speaker 1: He's great at it.

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Speaker 2: But I mean place thirty snaps a game thirty Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, would he be more on most teams? Of course,

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Speaker 2: Right, much more complete players this is. And here's how

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Speaker 2: Well, Carolina didn't keep him either. I had twelve and

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Speaker 2: looks at lists like this, but he knows how much

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Speaker 2: he's being paid. He know, he you know, he's seen

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Speaker 2: I mean the Raginning, the raigning NFL Defensive Player of

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Speaker 2: The NFL coordinator said it wouldn't surprise me if he's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just like the DJ thing, like, yeah, there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even like JJ Watt was always hard to rank.

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Speaker 1: Hire season. Yeah, sixty minutes time of anything more than

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Speaker 2: Know, No, no, I I mean, if you're up three points,

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Speaker 2: Right right, you know. And that's that's one thing to

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Speaker 2: You know your pass rus should be getting home a.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Number two. Highest ranking was number one, the lowest ranking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no problems with it. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the cornerback did his job right, right, or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not necessarily compliment. I mean it's sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why aren't you doing this every year? Like why

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Speaker 1: as with the whole way the Browns are set up,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: Right right, And that leads us with number one. That

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Speaker 2: is uh, he was highest ranking number one, lowest ranking

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Speaker 2: number five. Who in the right mind voted Nick Bosa

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Speaker 2: number five?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nuts.

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Speaker 2: It's bonkers. Last year he was number three. He's still

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Speaker 2: just twenty five years old, by the way, right now,

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Speaker 2: it's nuts. Yeah, I mean he to me, I mean

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Speaker 2: he's really I mean he's got he's better than his brother,

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Speaker 2: more talented than his brother. He's pretty much stayed healthy

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Speaker 2: for the most part, and he didn't have sacks last year.

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Speaker 1: It's nuts. I mean, he's unbelievably good. He's relentless, he's

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Speaker 1: athletic as could be. His get off is tremendous. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's all four of these dudes. I have a hard

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Speaker 1: time coming up with negatives. But the season Bosa just had. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably he should be one. I know, I said to

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Speaker 1: Parsons before.

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Speaker 2: He had forty eight quarterback hits last year that led

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Speaker 2: the league by twelve. Wow, well by twelve. I mean

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Speaker 2: that's that as bonkers. I mean, the guy is I

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Speaker 2: just I don't know how somebody put him five on

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Speaker 2: their list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody put him five after winning the winning the

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Speaker 1: award as well.

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Speaker 2: It would be the same argument we were having last year.

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Speaker 2: If t J. Watt wasn't number one on this list.

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Speaker 1: Like or at least he's not top two.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's easier reigning defensive player the year. How

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Speaker 2: do you vote him five? Yeah? He could he could

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Speaker 2: have been better, really.

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Speaker 1: Especially, I mean the only way I can see that

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Speaker 1: argument is if a Hassan Reddick type player won it

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Speaker 1: and had to set the sack, you know, list leader,

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Speaker 1: but wasn't out there every snap or yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: first three years of their career were fine and then

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Speaker 1: you have a fluky, one crazy year. It's not like

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Speaker 1: bosas ever not been awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not Nick Bosa. I mean, he's been good

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Speaker 2: since he stepped into the league. So interesting. We're going

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Speaker 2: to take a break when we come back, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: defensive tackles Matt, because that list is out as well.

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