1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,160 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. 2 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of The Clay and Buck Show kicks off 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 2: right now. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: We've got a stack show for you today. 5 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: Clay out in sunny California, Buck down in sunny South Florida. 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: Hopefully the weather's nice wherever you are across the country. 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: But this is not a weather show. We're going to 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: get into the politics here. Got some great guests coming up. 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 2: Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt on the role that his state 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: would be willing to play in helping the Trump administration 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: with the law and order policy of deportations. We'll discuss that. 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: Bridge Colby, co founder of the Marathon Initiative. He's going 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: to talk to us about why would Biden. We haven't 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: discussed this yet on the show. Why would Biden approve? 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: And first of all, that Biden is approving anything Clay 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: is a problem. Like we all understand this right that 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: Biden's judgment on matters of truly war and peace is 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: something that we are still subject to, considering even Democrats. 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: He's got cognitive issues. Very polite way of saying that 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: guy's got, you know, senility, dementia. It just seems like 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: an outrage to me. But anyway, he is still technically 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: the commander in chief. We'll certainly get a reminder of 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: that when he pardons Hunter coming up here in just 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: a matter of weeks, and he has said that that 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: Ukraine is authorized now to use US long range missiles 26 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: to strike inside of Russia. That seems like something that 27 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: the Russians are going to pay attention to and not 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: react favorably to. 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: We'll discuss with Bridge why that. 30 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: Is also just just for fun, We'll get back to 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: the backlash to the Morning Joe backwards walking, as in 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: going towards Donald Trump the Democrats. As much as we 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: found it hilarious and pathetic, a lot of left wingers 34 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: are outraged that you could go from he's hitler or 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: two maybe we should have a cappuccino in like ten days. 36 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: You know, I think people recognize that is that's a 37 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: little you know what I mean? Like, you know, I've 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: got brothers. 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: Occasionally my brothers and I will argue about something, but 40 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: it never goes to you're a hitler, you know, like 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: there's something weird going on here. Anyway, We'll discuss that 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: because I think that's also indicative of where the where 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: the media is falling apart right now, they don't know 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: where to go. They're having more and more actual conservatives 45 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: on CNN. They have asked me to go on. 46 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. Should I go on, Clay, I'm thinking 47 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: about it. 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: My question for you, first of all, yes, I think 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: it would be great advertising for the show. I think 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: it would be good for you as the book release 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 3: eventually gets closer and closer. My question for you about 52 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 3: you going on CNN is are you required to travel 53 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: to New York to sit in studio or can you 54 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: do it remotely as a guest, Like, how does that 55 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 3: process play out? 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: I'd have to ask, I'd have to find out. I'll 57 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: let you know. 58 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: I'll start, I'll respond to their very polite inquiries. 59 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: And say, what are we really talking about here? 60 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 3: Because if it's gonna be I think that's indicative of 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: the major vibe shift that is underway though, Buck. I mean, 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,279 Speaker 3: there is a full on panic inside of CNN, MSNBC, 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: New York Times, Washington Post about what do we do 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: for the next four years? And they want more voices 65 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: of rationality, which I take as a good sign, at 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: least at a minimum. I mean I made when I 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: was doing solo radio Clay, I was very open, especially 68 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: during the COVID years COVID era, about my disdain for 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: the way that Jeff Zucker ran that entity, and I 70 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: openly made fun of him and pointed out that the 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: only reason Brian Stelter Hanna show was because he looked 72 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: kind of like Jeff Zucker, so he figured, well, that 73 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: guy's super handsome. 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: Like I'm shocked. 75 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: I used to I used to trash CNN like there's 76 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: no tomorrow, and now they're like, hey, may look if 77 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: they want to be reasonable, they want to have a conversation. 78 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm reasonable. 79 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: They weren't being reasonable, so I was given it to 80 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: them on the rough side of things. But we'll see. 81 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: Maybe they're gonna have a change of heart, although I 82 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: very much doubt it. Don't You don't have to send 83 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: me the emails like they're not changing. I know, I know, 84 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: but maybe we can slap them around a little bit. 85 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: Clay. 86 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: The big fights though right now, in a way, we 87 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: also have some criminal justice stuff to get to with 88 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: the knife wielding madman who stabbed three, killed two in 89 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: New York City, right in midtown. You know, there's we've 90 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: got some of our team in midtown. The Daniel Penny trial. 91 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: The defense is now putting forward their case. The prosecution 92 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: has rested. That's certainly a discussion to have. The fights 93 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: over confirmation and deportation. Those are the two big things 94 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: right now, getting ready for the deportation surge and getting 95 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: Trump's people in place through confirmation. 96 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. 97 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: I'm seeing more over, Matt, You know, people have just 98 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: like Berenson came on Clay and he said, oh no, 99 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: RFK Junior is more upsetting to the machine than Gates. 100 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: I think Gates has got them more upset. Actually, I 101 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: think Gates is the one that's getting the most attention. 102 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: We'll get into this, and maybe a good way to 103 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: start this Clay is the hush money case. 104 00:04:59,160 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Remember that. 105 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: In New York's SO today, Judge Mrchan decided that they 106 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: are going to in They're going to indefinitely adjourn without 107 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: without setting when the sentencing will be because Judge Murchan 108 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: has to take into account how the Supreme Court's ruling 109 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: on immunity factors into Trump's prosecution. I don't think they're 110 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: ever even going to get to sentencing on this Clay. 111 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: I think this case is dead, which brings up a 112 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: whole bunch of other issues, like you prosecuted a president 113 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: for the first time ever for felonies that were such 114 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: a joke that even after you got a preposterous conviction, 115 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: you're not going to see it through. 116 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. 117 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: This, I think we predicted that this would happen. You've 118 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: already seen it happened even quicker than I anticipated that. 119 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: Jack Smith said, Hey, this case is federally are done, 120 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: but until you are sentenced, the convict doesn't really officially exist. 121 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 3: And so I think the Trump felony convictions that Alvin 122 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: Bragg got in New York. I mean, I said this 123 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: a while ago, putting my lawyer hat on, that the 124 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:19,559 Speaker 3: implications of the Supreme Court presidential power ruling had to 125 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: implicate state court cases as well. And I understand sometimes 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: this gets a little bit into the weeds. But there's 127 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 3: the federal cases, which was South Florida which has been dismissed, Washington, 128 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: d C. With Jack Smith has now moved to dismiss 129 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 3: basically ending both of those cases. And then you had 130 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: Georgia with Fanny Willis, which was a state of Georgia 131 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: prosecution Fulton County, Atlanta area. And then he had New 132 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: York City, which was a state of New York prosecution. 133 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: General rule, again, there are exceptions, but general rule is 134 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: federal law. Trump's that is, takes over any state law. 135 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: And so if there is no federal case that can 136 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: be brought against Trump because of presidential powers presidential immunity, 137 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: as it pertains to the use of presidential powers, that 138 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: has to also apply to state law because otherwise you 139 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: would just pursue the president under state law when you 140 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: could not do it under federal law, which again conflicts 141 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: with the superseding power of federal law over state law. 142 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: When there's a conflict. Again, that's going into the weeds 143 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: a little bit. But this case is done, and the 144 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: Georgia case is done, and I don't know exactly how 145 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: they're all going to be rolled up, but Buck, what 146 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: it ultimately represents is what we told this audience for 147 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: years and what all of you suspected. 148 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: This was all political. 149 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: This was nothing other than a political hit job that 150 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 3: they thought would weaken Trump, and we didn't talk about 151 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: it a lot in the wake of the election, but 152 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: one of the most impactful parts of Trump winning two 153 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: weeks ago today was it ended. I think this argument 154 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: of oh, there's a political benefit to trying to put 155 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: your chief political adversary in prison and or bankrupt him. Now, 156 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: the American public has voted overwhelmingly and said no to this, 157 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: and I think that's an incredibly important result because it 158 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: upends what had been an attempt to invalidate nearly two 159 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty years of the way that we did 160 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: races in the United States, which was we won or lost, 161 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: we didn't try to put our chief political rival in 162 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: prison for the rest of his or her life. 163 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: If you're going to break that barrier of prosecuting somebody 164 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: who is a major party nominee, I mean, it better 165 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: damn well be for something serious that you know happened, 166 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Look, I've got friends who 167 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: are prosecutors. You've got friends who are prosecutors. They'll tell you, 168 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: I mean, especially if you're talking like on the federal side, 169 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: you know, or ninety eight percent of people plea and 170 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: like ninety six or ninety seven percent of the people 171 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: that bring charges against they will say are guilty. They've 172 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: got you know, it is very unusual in their minds. 173 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it never happens. There are people who 174 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: are falsely prosecuted. I get it, But overwhelmingly the decision 175 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: to prosecute itself should be it's a slam dunk, right. 176 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: And so to bring this case against Donald Trump when 177 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: he's the Republican nominee and a former president, both on 178 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: such a flimsy charge and ignoring some of the surrounding 179 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: legal realities of a form of a former president and 180 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: what that means as a as a matter of law. 181 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: With the Supreme Court weighing in. You know, it's like 182 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: we've said, if Donald Trump after the elect or you know, 183 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: if Donald Trump at the end of his term or 184 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: something had gotten drunk driving in a car and ran 185 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: over five people. 186 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to hear. 187 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: He's the commander in chief, like he's you know, you 188 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: know you did the crime you do the time. I 189 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: get it, Like you you shouldn't be above the law 190 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: in that way. You would be subject to state law 191 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: there and you'd be able to be prosecuted after the fact. 192 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: There's no statute limitations on murder or after your t 193 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: I mean, but to go after him on a business 194 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: records charge. By the way, there's some people who would 195 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: just point out you can't prosecute a president while he's 196 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: an office period, I get it. 197 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: But to go after somebody on. 198 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: A business records charge clay and then to stack it 199 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: thirty four times, so it's thirty four felonies. Alvin Bragg 200 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: is what he has done to the law is just despicable. 201 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: There are two other elements of this case that again 202 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: I have been hammering for years now on this program. 203 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: But one buck, it's outside the statute of limitations. So 204 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: they went back in time a substantial amount. Remember this 205 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 3: all happened in like twenty seventeen, so I mean you're 206 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: going way back in time. Second part of this is 207 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: they elevated what should have been a misdemeanor to a 208 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: felony based on an untested legal strategy that I think 209 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: was on its base in appeal going to be overturned. 210 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: But leave aside the sort of new angled approach without 211 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: precedent that they tried to elevate the misdemeanor to a felony. Buck, Overwhelmingly, 212 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: in New York City they are reducing felonies to misdemeanors. 213 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: That is, in this era of going soft on crime, 214 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: they actually overwhelmingly are treating legitimate felonies as misdemeanors. Here 215 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: they took at bottom a misdemeanor and tried to elevate 216 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 3: it to a felony, which is occurring almost nowhere anywhere 217 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: right now in the state of New York. It was 218 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 3: a hair brained legal scheme that has come up, snake eyes, 219 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: and as a result, you are going to see it 220 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: all just vanish and they're gonna pretend it never happened. 221 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: Oh, this is where I understand a lot of the 222 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: support for Matt Gates. Look, Matt Gates says, He says 223 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: a lot of things, but one thing he says is 224 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: he's absolutely not guilty of any of the things that 225 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: are being alleged about him that he has never been 226 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: indicted for, not even indicted, never mind convicted. And for 227 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: them to use these, to use the you know, allegations, 228 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: and to use innuendo and things that are unproven and 229 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: even unindicted, not that indicted necessarily means you're guilty. But 230 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: usually that's a steph the government takes when you do 231 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: something that's very criminal. It's just you need somebody, Clay, 232 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: I think, to look at this now who is angry 233 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: about it. Kind of the way you and I feel 234 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: about COVID. You need someone to look at the abuse 235 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: of the law as a political weapon. Not who says 236 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: I will make it stop. That just means you're not 237 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: going to do it yourself. You need somebody who will 238 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: go in there and say, I will punish those who 239 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: are seeking to use the law as a weapon of 240 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: politics to ruin people's lives, which is what they are doing, 241 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: which is what they have tried to do with Donald Trump. 242 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: They wanted to lock Trump up in prison, make no 243 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: mistake about it. And if he didn't win that election 244 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: and the American people did not speak so forcefully on 245 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: his behalf, we'd be in a very different place right now. 246 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: No doubt, we'll take your calls. We'll react to that. 247 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: As Buck said, we've got the governor of Oklahoma joining 248 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: us Bridge Colby, a couple of guests in the second 249 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: hour headed your way. Also Buck more Trump dancing. 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As we are rolling 275 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: through the Tuesday at Issues day of the program, I 276 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: had to think for a minute, what day of the 277 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: week it is, Buck, I'm out in LA. Time zone 278 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: is a lot different. Uh, but the vibe in LA 279 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: is very similar to the vibe and much of the 280 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: rest of the country. 281 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: Buck. 282 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: A couple of things here. First, only ninety three percent 283 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: of California votes have been counted. 284 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago. 285 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: We had the election forty five minutes after polls closed 286 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: in Florida, we knew. 287 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: The full result. 288 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: So for anybody out there who says, well, California is 289 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: a big state, it's hard to manage a big state, 290 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: BS just copy what Florida did, regardless of your politics Democrat, Republican, Independent, 291 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: no matter how you vote. I think we should all 292 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: be able to agree that two weeks of counting votes 293 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 3: is unacceptable. I understand California is not a swing state, 294 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: and so people say, well, Democrats are gonna win California 295 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: no matter what. Well, there's lots of congressional seats that 296 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: are still held up. We don't know what the overall 297 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: margin in the House is going to be. This is 298 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: flat out unacceptable. It must be fixed. I will say, Buck, 299 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: I flew out to California yesterday after our show. There 300 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: is a major vibe shift that has taken place. Forty 301 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: percent of Californians roughly are going to vote Trump, So 302 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: there are tons of Trump voters listening to us right 303 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: now in California. You and I have talked about how 304 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: we are fans of the state of California, a beautiful place. 305 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 3: I hate to see what Democrats have done to cities 306 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: like La San Francisco, places that are just fabulous and 307 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: should be incredible to live. But I will say that 308 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: there are a lot of Trump supporters coming out of 309 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: the woods. On my airplane flight last night. When I 310 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: went to get something to eat last night at the hotel, 311 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: people coming up and just saying, Hey, Trump won, Thank 312 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 3: you for what you and Buck do, Thank you for 313 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 3: what you do at OutKick on a level that I've 314 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: never seen before. Buck and I've been traveling out to 315 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: LA for work a lot because Fox Sports is based 316 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: out here for now better part of eleven years. I 317 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 3: think I know the LA area pretty well. I've spent 318 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: more time here than anywhere other than Nashville, and it 319 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 3: is palpable. The feeling that things have changed in a 320 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: major way. Even in a place like la that has 321 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: a left leaning bent to it, people are feeling the 322 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 3: change and the result is real and it's fabulous. And 323 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 3: I bet you're in Miami, which now is a deep 324 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 3: red city, which is kind of crazy to say, but 325 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: I bet Buck, the next time you're in New York City, 326 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 3: you're going to pick up on a different vibe, even 327 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 3: in New York City than maybe what you have seen, 328 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: certainly after twenty sixteen and in the past. Indeed, in fact, 329 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: I'll be in New York City to see my family 330 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: for Thanksgiving next week, so hopefully I'll pick up on 331 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: that vibe and I'll be speaking to the Metropolitan Republican Club. 332 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: Oh good for you. You go on Tuesday. Go to 333 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: the Metropolitan Republican Club website. Go check it out Tuesday evening. 334 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: WUR listeners, I hope you come out in full force 335 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 2: as fun and center as Wall Street is. With the 336 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: spectra our nation's economy and investments and all the rest 337 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: of it. You gotta find things that not everybody already knows, right, 338 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: You gotta find insight and information that you can act 339 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: on that's not just the common knowledge on the front 340 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: page of the Wall Street Journal. Where can you find 341 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: good tools in research to help you with these insights? 342 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: Shake in analytics, my friends. Mark Chakin is a fifty 343 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 2: year Wall Street veteran. He built an indicator that's in 344 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: nearly every trading journal to this day has nearly a 345 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: million people using this tool. And right now Mark Systems 346 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: are signaling a big shift in the AI markets. Both 347 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 2: hedge funds and highly invested individuals are quietly dumping hundreds 348 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: of thousands of shares of the world's most popular tech stock. 349 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: Mark is stepping forward to explain why. He has a 350 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 2: free briefing for all our listeners at this website, Stocks 351 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five dot Com. Stocks twenty twenty five dot Com. 352 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: You've got money in the markets or think you're safe 353 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: from the AI bubble, think again, go to Stocks twenty 354 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: twenty five dot Com. 355 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 5: Well, we got three rails of business Lawrence. First of all, 356 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 5: we've got a securitive border. We know how to do that, 357 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 5: We've done it before. A Second of all, we need 358 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 5: to run this deportation operations. The President's been clear we're 359 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 5: going to out of the gate. We're going to focus 360 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 5: on public safety, threads and national security threats. First exhusu i, 361 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 5: those who cross the border legally had great due process, 362 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 5: a great taxpayers fans were order removed by an immigration 363 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 5: judge and didn't leave. They're also priorities in third rail. 364 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 5: We got to find over three hundred thousand children that 365 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 5: were released into this country to so called sponsors that 366 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 5: the government can't find. We also got to find them 367 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 5: children to try to save them. 368 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: All right, that's Tom Holm and the borders are unlike 369 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 2: kamala a, real borders are as, and he's going to 370 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: do things to make the border better. Tom is one 371 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: of my favorite picks. I've known Tom and talked to 372 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 2: him about border issues for years, really stretching back to 373 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: Trump term one twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. Tom is, you know, 374 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: very high on my list of all stars, like he is. 375 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: If Trump had said Clay Buck, who would you put in? 376 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: I mean I might have put him at the head 377 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 2: of DHS, But okay, who would you make the borders are? 378 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: Tom Holman would be the first name that comes to mind. 379 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: So he's the right guy for the job. And what 380 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: he's doing here is laying out this is going to 381 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: be so important Clay, They're going to tell everyone that 382 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: this is monstrous and cruel and they're deporting grandmas who 383 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 2: have been here for forty years. That's actually not what 384 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: the Trump operation is going to be in the first year, 385 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: and maybe ever it depends on how all of this goes. 386 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: But what they're doing right out of the gate is 387 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: because and this is so important, they always say. 388 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: What about the dreamers and what about like the hard 389 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: working people who've been here for twenty years? Then everyone goes, Okay, 390 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, I want to be. 391 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: Kind The kindness on the right is always used as 392 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: a political weapon against this right. You're like, of course, 393 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 2: you know, I get it, Like maybe we get you 394 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: get that's a little bit harder for people, And I 395 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: understand that. Now for some of you, it's not hard. 396 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 2: You want everyone illegal to go, And I get that too. 397 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: The law is supposed to matter, right, The law is 398 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: the law. But when they're talking about deporting the number 399 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 2: Clay is something like one point four million criminal illegal aliens, 400 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: and that that modifier, that adjective there is so important 401 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 2: because I'm not just talking with people that are not 402 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: allowed to be in the country. We're talking about people 403 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: who have been in this country who have committed a crime, 404 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 2: usually a state, sometimes a federal, but usually a state crime, 405 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 2: who are now supposed to be deported. Yeah, and they're 406 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 2: just playing this game of you know, hide and seek. 407 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: They can't cat. So there is no reasonable basis to 408 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: oppose the deportation of all one point four one point 409 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: five million of those who are in the country illegally 410 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: with a with a deportation order on them already, and 411 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: those who are in the country whoever serious criminal history, 412 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: who just came across our border unvetted. 413 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the category they're going after. 414 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: We have to we have to make sure everyone knows 415 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 2: this because it's gonna turn into AOC fake crying at 416 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 2: the border again really soon. 417 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 3: You remember that, remember that, you know the Yes, here's 418 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: what I think we need to do. We got to 419 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 3: get our arguments lined up. Barack Obama deported a massive 420 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: number of people during his term in office, and almost 421 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: no one is even aware of that because everybody has 422 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 3: a goldfish memory in this social media era in which 423 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 3: we live. What do I mean by that? Goldfish don't 424 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 3: remember anything, So it's like you're blinking and then something 425 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: new happens and you decide that it's the worst thing 426 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: that's ever occurred. Obama deported. I believe a team in 427 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: New York look up the numbers. I believe Obama deported 428 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: over a million people during his time in office. Buck, 429 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 3: and nobody talks about it, and uh and and those 430 00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 3: are significant. 431 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: So I think you need to have those numbers ready as. 432 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: A talking point that what we're doing now in the 433 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 3: Trump administration historically is not an aberration at all. In fact, 434 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: Barack Saint Obama, who everybody wants to claim is the 435 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: greatest human being who's ever been president in history, just 436 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: a decade ago, it was very normal to deport. The 437 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 3: other thing is, Buck, they have to be very calculated 438 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: in the people that they start with. They have to 439 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: make the case we are removing people who are clear 440 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: law breakers that are most likely to commit crimes of 441 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: violence against innocent people in the United States, and we 442 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 3: have to make that case aggressively, because I do think 443 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: what you're going to see is a lot of governors 444 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: are going to decide that the way they become the 445 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: nominee in twenty twenty eight in an open Democrat primary 446 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 3: is by branding themselves as the anti Trump. So I 447 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: think you're going to see Gretchen Whitmer. I think you're 448 00:23:59,160 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: going to see JB. 449 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: Pritzker. 450 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 3: I think you're going to see Josh Shapiro. I think 451 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 3: you're going to see all of these governors who have 452 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 3: aspirations to be the Democrat nominee in twenty twenty eight 453 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom line up against Trump and try to be 454 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 3: the most fervently anti Trump as possible. Not because they 455 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: think it's the right decision for their state, it's not, 456 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: but because they think it's the right decision for their 457 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 3: political future. 458 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: Prepare yourselves for it. 459 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 2: Tom Homan also made mention Clay of what he can 460 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: see coming, which is the hashtag resistance if you will, 461 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: from blue cities and blue states, sanctuary jurisdictions, their sanctuary cities, 462 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: their sanctuary states effectively, and he's saying, look, they play 463 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: this game right, they only do this with immigration. You 464 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: will never I worked at something called the High Intensity 465 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 2: Drug Trafficking Area Facility in New York, Okay. That was 466 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: where the Counter Terrorist im Unit, the NYPD was based 467 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 2: at that time. 468 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: We had DEE, we had DEA. 469 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 2: There, we had ICE there, we had NYPD obviously, which 470 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: is the body that I was assigned to, you know, 471 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: you at FBI nearby or you know, sitting nearby. It 472 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 2: all worked together, and nobody was ever like, hey, can't 473 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: help you with that, like cartel assassin thing like that's 474 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 2: that's more federal than state, Like if the Feds asked 475 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 2: for help or if the state they were working together. 476 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 2: The only place I've ever seen this breakdown and law 477 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: enforcement listeners, let me know if there's something else. The 478 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: only place you ever see this is on illegal immigration, 479 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: where all of a sudden, local law enforcement is told 480 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: under orders do not help, and and even go beyond that, 481 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: don't even notify. Right, So they'll have somebody in custody 482 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: who's an illegal who's committed a crime, and they'll release 483 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: them pending court. And instead of saying, hey, Ice, we 484 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: got this guy who's just been arrested for sexual assault. 485 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: You know, do you want to come pick him up, 486 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: they let him out and they don't want to tell Ice. 487 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: Tom Homan is saying, look, blue cities and states, you 488 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: don't want to get in the way of the mission. 489 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: Here from the federal side, play this has cut three 490 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: play this one. 491 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 6: What happens to mayor or a local police department chief 492 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 6: that is under a democratic leadership that obstructs ICE in 493 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 6: your federal agents that are helping get these deportations and 494 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 6: what happens to them. 495 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, if they'll want to help us 496 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 5: get the hell out of the way, for we're going 497 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 5: to do it. If I got sent twice a month 498 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 5: of resources that city, that's what we're going to do. 499 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 5: If they able to give us access to the jail, 500 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 5: that don't mean less agents to the community for then 501 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 5: pushing back and not let us in the jail, it 502 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 5: just mean more agents are gonna be in the community. 503 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 5: So they're hurting themselves. Finally, I'll say this, they need 504 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 5: to educate themselves. They didn't rede this titlely the United 505 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 5: States Code thirteen twenty four Triple I read about that 506 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 5: and don't cross that line because it is a felony 507 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 5: to harbor and conceal in an illegal ailing from ICE. 508 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 5: Read the statue. Don't cross that line. 509 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 2: He's talking about harboring now and aiding play. This is 510 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: he's saying. This is people have gotten so used to 511 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: a legal immigration being this area of law where it 512 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: doesn't really count. 513 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 514 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: Right, here's one Clay. Do you know that you're not 515 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 2: allowed to be in the country as an immigrant and 516 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 2: be a public charge. That's actually against federal code, that's 517 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 2: against federal statute. How many immigrants are getting welfare benefits 518 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: and things like that, It is absolutely forbidden under federal law. 519 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 2: He's saying aiding and abetting a fugitive from Ice. This 520 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: isn't something they're going to forget anymore. So this state, 521 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: local law enforcement and federal law enforcement issue could get 522 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: very real here because you've got these woke, lunatic governors 523 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: and mayors. 524 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: Buck here's the number, by the way, And I think 525 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: this is going to stagger a lot of people because 526 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: I think it speaks to how dishonest our politics have become. 527 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: According to the New York Times, three million people were 528 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: deported by Barack Obama during his two terms in office. 529 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: Three million. 530 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: So for everybody out there who's going to act, and again, 531 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 3: this is important, we have to mobilize the narrative to 532 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: make people understand that what Trump is doing is actually 533 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 3: just something that was not even considered remotely controversial in 534 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: the grand scheme of things during Obama's term in office. 535 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: In fact, Barack Obama deported more people. 536 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: Than any president ever has in the history of it 537 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 2: was very clever, though, I mean the whole member he 538 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 2: did that. He was the deporter in chief going into 539 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: the twenty twelve mid terms and then when he won reelection. 540 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: The whole Term one for Obama was Obamacare, and we 541 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: are still living with the consequences of that decision. Term 542 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: two is supposed to be amnesty, and the way that 543 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 2: they thought they could get to amnesty was to deport 544 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 2: people while pushing Republicans on the Gang of Eight bill 545 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: and getting Republicans to go along. And there are bad 546 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: Republicans on immigration, There are lots of them. Actually, look 547 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: at wasn't it a wasn't it a? Was it Langford? 548 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: Who wasn't Liford in Oklahoma? Who tried to work with 549 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: Biden right at the end of his term to put 550 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: through a crap bill. It's embarrassing, honestly embarrassing stuff. There 551 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: are Republicans who are who are dictated to by the 552 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: Chamber of Commerce, by big business, by the donor class 553 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 3: who like legal immigration. That's a reality. But Clay, what's 554 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 3: so interesting here? And you know, I give Ann Coulter 555 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: credit for this for example, and the immigration issue. 556 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: She's always saying, no, no, no, there are laws already 557 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: that need to be used that will help with this 558 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: issue massively. They just choose not to use them. Tom 559 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: Holman knows what those laws are. Tom Holman knows that 560 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: the decision to ignore federal statute is not the same 561 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: thing as erasing federal statute. So there are a lot 562 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: of tools at his disposal this time around to do 563 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: things to clean this up. And I just I mean, 564 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 2: this is where I want to know who You're not 565 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: in the country legally and you're committing crimes here, yeah, 566 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: you know, and you're and you're supposed to be able 567 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: to stay. That is a that is a national suicide 568 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: pack over the long run, that is completely outside the 569 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: realm of the scene totally. And again, I just want 570 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: everybody to prepare for the fight that is coming and 571 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: recognize how outrageous the arguments against it are going to be. 572 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: But you're right, Buck, AOC is going to put on 573 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: her all white outfit. The media is going to follow her. 574 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: She's going to start to cry by a chain link fence. 575 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: They're gonna find the one four year old who gets 576 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: separated from his dad or his mom h and they're 577 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: going to turn that into an anecdote reflective of a 578 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: policy that is not actually representative, right, but they're going. 579 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: To find it. 580 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: It'll go viral on social media. Prepare yourselves for where 581 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: this is coming. Also, Buck, this is also hugely important. 582 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: The message is important too, because as soon as you 583 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: start deporting millions of people, everybody that's coming here illegally 584 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 3: is going to say, wait a minute, is that trip 585 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 3: worth it? When you're telling them we're never going to 586 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 3: deport you. That's why ten million plus illegals came in. 587 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 3: It's not just about sending people back, it's about stopping 588 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 3: the flow that exists right now. 589 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: It changes the incentive dramatic, right, It changes the incentive 590 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: for especially how the immigration issue, the illegal immigration issue, 591 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: has changed. Where Clay it used to be can you 592 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: walk here? So that was Mexico. Some countries to the 593 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: south of Mexico. The people showing up at the border 594 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: are paying to fly from Pakistan, from Yemen, from all 595 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: over Southeast Asia and West Africa, and you name it 596 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: like if it's a poor country. Basically people are coming 597 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: here from there, but they're flying to sometimes, you know, 598 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: a country that has very easy passport controls. In South America, 599 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: they go up through the Darien Gap. In Central America, 600 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: they make their way up past you know, through Mexico. 601 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: Pay the cartels in Mexico. That's a lot of effort 602 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: and money to spend if you're not really sure that 603 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: you're going to be able to stay. So Holman's the 604 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: guy for the job. This is the single this is 605 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: you know, this and the and the government efficients I 606 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: think is kind of make or break for the Trump 607 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: administration agenda. 608 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. 609 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: And I know that that's setting a high standard because 610 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: the economy is going to be great. 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I think in the aggregate still 677 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 2: Barack Obama over the eight years did have the most 678 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: over eight years. I think Bill Clinton was more like 679 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: a million over his eight years. But here's the thing. 680 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 2: It used to be adult male overwhelmingly Mexican. This is 681 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: just by the data. Okay, adult male Mexicans illegally crossing 682 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 2: and a lot of time play illegally going back because 683 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: they were coming into the country seasonally to make money. 684 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: It was entirely somebody who is coming here from Meanmar 685 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 2: is planning to stay forever. 686 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: Correct. 687 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 3: That's the biggest change that I think has not been 688 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 3: discussed enough is when you're coming from all over the 689 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 3: world and what's the number one hundred and eighty countries 690 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 3: I think ish that people have crossed illegally our southern border. 691 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 3: You're not going back. And to your point, Buck, when 692 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 3: you're crossing the Darien Gap and you're coming all the 693 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 3: way from Venezuela or you're coming all the way from 694 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 3: from southern Latin America, you're not trans You're not moving 695 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: into the country to work seasonally and then go back 696 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 3: and live your life primarily in Mexico, as was the 697 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 3: historic immigration patterns for much of American history. You're talking 698 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 3: about people who are coming now and never leaving. And 699 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 3: the other part of this that we have to have 700 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 3: a conversation about is Trump has to, I believe, come 701 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 3: out and say, if you're here illegally, your child does 702 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 3: not become an American citizen, why. 703 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: Should we reward illegal behavior with American citizenship? 704 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 2: And just to get back to these numbers real qui 705 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 2: because people gonna say, wait, but but it's it's is 706 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 2: a turn away a deportation? Sometimes they count that, depending 707 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 2: on the administration, as yes. So stop at the border 708 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 2: is that a deportation? Are we talking interior deportations? So 709 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 2: there's a lot of ways to crunch the numbers, but 710 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 2: Biden didn't deport almost anywhere.