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Speaker 1: Second Date Updated. We cover a lot of trends on

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Speaker 1: this show and weird dating terms like bread crumbing, darth vadering.

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Speaker 1: That's where you battle your own son to see who

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Speaker 1: gets to kiss your sister.

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Speaker 2: I do not.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's big on the East Coast right now.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely some weird ones out there, and one we

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Speaker 1: came across recently is called the Alpha Challenge.

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Speaker 2: What's Up?

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Speaker 1: And I think our listener might fit underneath that umbrella

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Speaker 1: because she admits she likes to test men whenever they

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Speaker 1: go out on a date. She says she feels like

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Speaker 1: maybe she crossed the line this most recent time. So

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Speaker 1: let's welcome to the show. Mallory.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, Mallory, Hi, guys, I'm okay.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god. I'll tell you we've never had a

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Speaker 4: dating test that hasn't failed on this show. Every time

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Speaker 4: someone is like I'm going to test them, like, it

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Speaker 4: never works out.

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Speaker 1: We're backfires.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So you said, maybe you feel like you crossed the line.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you start by telling us the name of

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Speaker 1: this guy that you met?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the guy's name is John and we met

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Speaker 3: online and so many men's profiles they time acts like

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Speaker 3: their alphs, like, did you the big fish thing? Why?

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Speaker 3: I'm such a man, and it's like, if you got

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Speaker 3: to do the big fish, I don't know if he's

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Speaker 3: really all okay.

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Speaker 4: Wow say that guys offended right now here Now women

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Speaker 4: hate the fish pictures?

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, who are they for? They're only for.

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Speaker 3: You, These are only for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well you don't get to split any of

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Speaker 1: our fish. Then after we come and cook it up

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Speaker 1: for us.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you know how to fish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my housekeeper Lucy does, and that's all that matter.

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Speaker 4: Are these the alphas that you're talking about, just like

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey exactly?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, anyway back to this guy John, what was

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Speaker 3: John did have his humongous fish picture, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: all right, you look kind of manly. So I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: like if this is legit, if he's anything like this, like,

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Speaker 3: we're good, we're probably gonna make out well here, okay,

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Speaker 3: all right, yeah that too.

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Speaker 2: She's a fan of this, you were, yes, total.

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Speaker 3: Fan, total fan. And so for our first date, he

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Speaker 3: was like, let's do an escape room. And I've done

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Speaker 3: those before. I've done those with guys on dates, and

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Speaker 3: I think you see a lot about a person because

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Speaker 3: there's all this problem solving and puzzled and you really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good chance for him to show off

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Speaker 1: all of his alpha skills in order to escape you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, let me see what you got.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: We met at a barn near by first, and he

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Speaker 3: walks in looking real good. He's beefy, he's tall, and

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Speaker 3: I was I was all about it.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So he's like man's man and you're you're totally digging.

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Speaker 3: It, totally digging it. So I figured, okay, how do

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Speaker 3: So we went to the first room, and he actually

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Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, so he's funny too.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah exactly, So that could go either way. Are

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Speaker 3: you funny or you know, can you own it? So

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Speaker 3: then we go to the second room and there's this

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Speaker 1: Wait, whoa, whoa closet.

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Speaker 3: I locked him in the closse, and I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like it's a red flag

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think I think I'd be like this

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what happened?

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Speaker 3: So he's in there like fumbling around for like about

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Speaker 2: Whoa wait? What was his mood? Was he getting angry

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Speaker 3: At the very beginning, he was laughing. He thought it

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Speaker 4: Imagine what the person who's watching your room is thinking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. A real alpha would have taken

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Speaker 3: That's the kind of man I want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I see where you're coming from.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel bad at all?

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Speaker 3: Not at all. I feel like this was a really

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Speaker 3: So I think I was doing a good thing. And

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Speaker 3: then the guy that ran the escape room, he like,

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Speaker 3: He's like, you want me to unlock it? And I'm

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Speaker 3: like no, no, no, no, this was the whole test.

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Speaker 3: I can't let him out, and we're wondering why he's

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Speaker 1: Well, how does the escape room experience? And did he

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Speaker 3: So we give him a few more minutes and then

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Speaker 3: I let the guy let him out and he was

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Speaker 3: This guy couldn't get out by and felt so he's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is confusing.

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Speaker 3: Then well so wait, so then we leave and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: can you just take me home? And he goes, no,

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Speaker 3: why don't you go uber yourself home?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, And I was like, that's my kind

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Speaker 1: He stood up for himself. He finally took a stand against.

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Speaker 4: This is so strange to me because it's like you

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Speaker 4: push him to a brink and then he finally pushes back,

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Speaker 4: And that's the type of relationship you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: On the first date, he was able to muster that energy.

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Speaker 3: You know why, why waste the time. Let's see exactly

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Speaker 4: Wow, this is going to be an interesting Like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: we obviously know why he's not calling you back right well, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean we think we know why, but we won't know

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Speaker 4: Oh man, is it gonna be like Alpha VI Alpha

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Speaker 4: Jeff with you and him on the phone.

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Speaker 2: Is it gonna be really hard?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we just let this alpha shine first.

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Speaker 2: Alpha.

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Speaker 1: You'll be able to tell when the two alpha square

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Speaker 4: Dominant album you actually hearing their voice who has more

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Speaker 4: chest terror.

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Speaker 1: Be careful, Mallory might get a little bit too turned

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Speaker 1: on when we come back later. Ultra Alpha Second date

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Speaker 1: update coming up right after this second date update. If

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Speaker 1: you're just joining us for the second date update, Mallory

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Speaker 1: knows what she wants. She wants to date a real

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Speaker 1: man who can pass her alpha test and prove he

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Speaker 1: John recently was to lock him in the closet of

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Speaker 1: an escape room and told him a true alpha could

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Speaker 4: I think you should have just dropped him in the

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Speaker 4: middle of the woods, fifty miles away and just seeing

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Speaker 1: I'll be back in a week. That's a good option

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Speaker 1: for date two coming up. Because the thing is John

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Speaker 1: He mostly begged and complained the entire.

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Speaker 2: Time, did not find the challenge fun.

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Speaker 1: But his shining moment came after the escape room when

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Speaker 1: she said, Hey, John, why don't you give me a

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Speaker 1: ride home? And he said, no, you get Newburgh. Yeah

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Speaker 1: alpha move, I mean not exactly like that. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: something along those. It was enough to convince her, Oh,

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Speaker 2: That's what she liked.

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Speaker 1: It actually like turned her on.

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Speaker 2: I think all of this is going to be shocking

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I would personally feel like if I

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Speaker 1: Do you think that John is going to be totally

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Speaker 3: I mean, I get it. I mean, he's definitely not

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Speaker 3: what I didn't get to tell him is that he

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Speaker 2: No, did he know that an alpha test was happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he may have had no clue that he was

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Speaker 2: This would be good news.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look at this point, I've only seen him do

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Speaker 3: like there's a lot more to show. So if he's

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yes, yeah, And this call is going to

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Speaker 1: be a total curveball to him too, So let's see

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Speaker 2: Hopefully, yeah, hopefully on us. She is just going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to be excited too if that happens.

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Speaker 1: I know already, here we go I'm going to John's number.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if he answers. Hello, Hey, is this is

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Speaker 1: this John? Yes, it is.

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Speaker 2: Soleant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't what I was expecting. Uh hey, man,

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Speaker 1: you're yeah, Man, yeah, it's excuse me, I'm talking. This

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Speaker 1: is a show we're called Brooking Jeffrey in the Morning.

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Speaker 1: You're on it right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, why that's a great question, John.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The reason is because we do this segment it's

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Speaker 1: called a second Date Update, where we try to help

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Speaker 1: listeners get in touch with people again after they've gone

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Speaker 1: out on one date and are getting a follow up

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Speaker 1: for a second mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, I understand.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So recently you may or may not remember this,

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Speaker 1: but you went out with a woman named Mallory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I did.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear how this date went for you.

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Speaker 1: Because we are bold why you aren't calling her back?

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Speaker 3: You don't know anything that happened.

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Speaker 1: We know a few things, you know. I don't want

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Speaker 3: Know, getting locked in a closet not at all?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right that Yeah, I mean that's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of the whole thing, right, Yeah, that was not pleasant

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Speaker 1: I experienced the roller coaster of emotions during the lock in.

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Speaker 2: At what point did you realize she wasn't joking?

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Speaker 3: Probably after the third time she banged on the door

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Speaker 1: Who these words that? I'm pretty sure that's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, would you say that this whole locking in

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean we argued about it. I

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Speaker 1: I think we all can understand why you would feel

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Speaker 1: I don't know if sparks the word yeah, right, passion.

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Speaker 4: Okay, at any point did you want to kiss her?

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Speaker 2: That's I think what Jeff is getting at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think anyone blames you for that.

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Speaker 1: Look, not every woman is going to challenge you like

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Speaker 1: They want to be showered in compliments. And this woman

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Speaker 2: I don't know that you're hearing him, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there is inside of you waiting

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Speaker 2: My no, locked on the other phone line. Right.

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Speaker 2: You're out?

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Speaker 3: Hi? John? Hi? Well, first of all, I just I

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Speaker 1: I was forced to they called me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well listen, John. That whole thing was to

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Speaker 3: did you call me very sick? John? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah he did, and he said it with that deep,

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Speaker 3: You know what, that's exactly what a non alpha would say.

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Speaker 3: That's all right there. You're follower. You don't even own this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, you don't like to be bad moused? Is

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Speaker 3: You're gonna bad mouth me? You can do a little

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Speaker 3: You can't even come up with more than.

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Speaker 1: Natural challenge issue, John, go harder?

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So so if sick isn't the right word, then demented, twisted?

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, but this is you know what,

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Speaker 1: you know what? And if you don't like me, you

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Speaker 3: I don't. And you know what, John, I should have

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Speaker 3: because you know what else you don't know? I hooked

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Speaker 3: up with the escape room guy. Okay do you mean when? Yes?

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Speaker 2: When is exactly the right question.

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Speaker 3: When John left me there to get my own uber,

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Speaker 3: that guy came out, and that guy took advantage of

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Speaker 1: Oh after, he saw you.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, so there are men that are alphas actually out there,

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Speaker 4: Like, yes, the twenty something working part time is the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the alpha she's looking That's the alpha she deserves.

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Speaker 1: Did you just did you just do this whole thing

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Speaker 3: No? I mean I would give him that one more shot.

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Speaker 3: So truly be an alpha, but you just don't have

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Speaker 2: This is great. I don't think that he's upset by that. Mallory.

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Speaker 3: You're not strong buddy. Okay, all right, Well, you know,

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Speaker 3: like I said, this is me and you don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 3: You know. You know what, lady, I really don't appreciate

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Speaker 3: you labeling me because I am who I am? Yeah, John,

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Speaker 3: are you are you telling me what to think right now?

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Speaker 3: Because actually that that's kind of doing it for me? What?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Tell me what the thing this is and I will

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Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm staying on. Just can John get off

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Speaker 1: the right as well? Well? Hold on, we can't get

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Speaker 1: off until I ask you, John, would you like to

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Speaker 1: Okay, always the final test.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I stopped asking questions.

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Speaker 3: But just shut him up. We just gave him the

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Speaker 1: I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be on this.

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Speaker 1: I guess now that only leaves one alpha in the

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Speaker 2: Jeff, are you talking about me. I was.

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Speaker 1: Risk action on the ground. Really didn't have groops looking

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey in the morning. Some people just aren't a good match.

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Speaker 1: Even when you try over and over and over to

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Speaker 2: That is a big lesson for you, jeff Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: You don't got to learn it at some point, not yet.

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Speaker 2: Is there a man that isn't frightened of her though?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Escape room guy, Yeah, yeah, it worked out for him

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his locker in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of people are texting in at

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Speaker 1: seventy five nights. You was saying she didn't really want

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it makes her look I've made out with

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that was kind of an insult.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason they choose to work in dimly lit basements.

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Speaker 4: The front desk is very lip usually not in an

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Speaker 2: Jeff who's basement where are you going he's a room.

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Speaker 1: Wait. I meet him on Craigslist and they say I

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Speaker 4: Po?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to figure it out. Keep doing that.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it right. And if you enjoy basement stuff,

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Speaker 1: you could check out the Basement of Entertainment, which is

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Speaker 1: our podcast. You could find it all the way down

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Speaker 1: at the bottom at Brook and Jeffrey