WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 1/22: Coaching Staff Updates, CFP/Senior Bowl, NFL Draft Talk 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.320 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:08.720 Lazar and Alex. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:12.959 Bar Bizarre, Blizar and Blazarre. Everybody nailed it joined as 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:14.360 always buy our bar. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.439 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars No, I know not. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:24.840 The people on the internet think he doesn't understand it. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.560 And those people fell into like a little coach speaking 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:28.040 it's not that. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.560 Big right, Well, those people claim to know football, but 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.120 their nose is too deep in Microsoft exel. My point being, 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.280 oh my god, there. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.640 When you sit there and you say these things, it's 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.280 just the self aware you know exactly what I'm I 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.360 know you what you're talking about. But you're saying it 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:46.040 like somebody that is that like not use Microsoft cell 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.640 what like you're saying it like you're Dan Campbell, Like 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.080 you have to realize there doesn't use. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.080 Microsoft e cell. I think I can talk about not 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.280 using microsoftic cell. I think that's. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:02.960 Perfectly Fairka It's it's so true, like you say these 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.080 things like you had like a ten year NFL career 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.520 and we we gotta we gotta be tough and we 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.360 gotta it's not a toughness, we gotta we gotta play 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.479 hard nosed football. Well, you're gonna get it. They're gonna 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.559 get all back, you're gonna get your downhill run scheme. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.640 We're gonna be coming off the ball. We're gonna be 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.479 hitting people again on both sides of the ball. Really, 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.680 because both these guys are are are into that sort 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.640 of thing. You know, you're gonna get this game's. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.080 Being played at a high level and coach at a 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.679 high level for a number of years without having to 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.640 rely on all these spreadsheets and formulas and things like that. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.960 And that's just my point is that you don't need 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.880 that to be successful. I texted you this yesterday. You 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.959 never responded. Did you see they had the Microsoft Excel 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:45.240 National Championship. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.240 I know you're trolling. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.240 I would think that would be where you want them 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:50.280 to go to find coaches. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.160 No, not coaches. Analysts maybe you know in the front office, sure, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:54.920 but not coaches. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.760 That's that that that's your that's your football ops department 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.160 right there. Just go get the twelve people that we're 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.200 in the EXEL National Championship. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.800 Listen. I what I liked so much about Vrabel's answer 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.880 about all this stuff, and this is not where we 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.720 wanted to start with all this news But what I 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:13.720 like so much about his answers to all this stuff 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.400 is that he's open minded about the world of analytics. No, 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.040 it's it's but he's not good. But he's not married 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.960 to it, and he's not totally against either, right. He 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.359 he understands that it's applicable and that it has a place. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.120 But has a place a place. It shouldn't be the 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:30.519 driving force, which I'm all for. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:34.640 I've I've always said that, But it's as well, like 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.240 I I think people could I come across as somebody 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.360 that wants to be married to the numbers and all 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.400 he wants to draft based off the spreadsheet. That's not 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.840 that's not my thing. That's not what I'm saying. All 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.320 I am saying is is like in any walk of life, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.440 like more information is good, Like I it's it's blows 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.080 my mind when people don't want to close their mind 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:58.160 off to being more informed. Like if you were a 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:02.080 hedge fund manager on Wall Street, would you not want 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.880 to make sure that you're uh, you know, completely informed 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.440 about an investment? Right? Like you wouldn't go into an 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:13.520 investment at that level with just like fifty percent of 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.840 the information. You would go in with one hundred percent, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.480 and that's all I'm asking out of the page. 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.680 Sure, but I think when you're talking about sports specifically, 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.360 there's a human element there, maybe isn't an investing and 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.120 I think the numbers try to wash that out, and 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.920 I think it's very important not to forget and to 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.760 even embrace the human element of it. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.480 I agree, I agree, I don't. I don't want people 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.760 to get that twisted. I do agree with you to 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:36.200 an extent. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.960 I think next year, so we usually watched Super Bowl together, Yeah, 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.840 I think next year we should watch the Microsoft. No, 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.520 we should we have a good time. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.000 No, we want well everyone, you'll be insufferable the whole time. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.800 People. No, because these are actual pros aut of using 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.680 it for what it's Maybe I'll learn something, Maybe I'll 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.000 learn something, maybe you. I'm fine with them because they're 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.480 doing what they do. They're not trying to run a 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.920 football team. They're I think the guy who won it 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:02.120 was like a financial analyst. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.720 So well, speaking of running a football team, the Patriots 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:10.000 have coordinators. We are starting to form a coaching staff 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.640 here in the building, and I do believe that that 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:18.520 announcement is coming shortly, formally announcing Josh McDaniels as the 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.599 offensive coordinator, Torell Williams as the defensive coordinator, and the 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.320 return of Jeremy Springer. And now we're also starting to 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.719 hear some rumblings and reports out there, nothing confirmed, but 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.800 reports of potential staffers below those guys. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:33.559 Coaches. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.480 Yeah, thank you, positional coaches. So we're going to open 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.560 the show with all of that, of course, and before 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.000 we do, Hey, Patriots fans, we want to see Toyota's 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.920 best offers, including those not seen on TV. Go to 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:49.440 buy a Toyota dot com if it's Tyota's official website 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.880 for deals from the official vehicle of the New England Patriots, Toyota, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.159 Let's go places and easy to endrink, easy to enjoy 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.200 bud Light, the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:03.400 Yes, Iyota, Now you're adding, that's not even close where 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.120 I come from. I know you said Iota. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:06.839 I say it how I say it. I'm not going 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.279 to agize anymore. I'm not going to apologize anymore, Yoda, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:15.280 unless Toyota, the great people at Toyota come and say, hey, 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:16.760 Evan needs to say this correctly. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.440 I do think they want to say it correctly. 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.000 Then I will change my mind. But until then, I 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:21.520 am going to. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.520 I've never heard Tyota, I've never heard. 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.000 Well, that's how I say it. I guess I don't know. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.800 No, I've never heard you say that. That's not how 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:28.920 you say it. I think you're two in your head about. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.680 You're right, I totally am. All right, let's get down 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.039 to business though, enough joking around, enough banter off the 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.880 top of the show. So Josh McDaniel's back as the 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.560 Patriots offensive coordinator. I do want to start there. There's 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.320 a different couple different layers to this. The biggest one 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:50.160 note to me and really across the entire staff with 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.320 Terrell Williams as well, whose first time play caller but 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.440 has been coaching NFL football for like twenty five years. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.880 Very experienced, Yeah, very experienced. Is this tends to have 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.640 with coaching changes that you flip flop, right, You go 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:14.359 from a demanding, hard nos authoritative, authoritarian coach to a 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.920 player's coach, and then when that doesn't work, you go 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.200 back to the authoritarian. And you know when you go 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.839 with an inexperienced staff last year with a bunch of 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.039 first time guys doing first time things. Now this year, 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.880 you're going with Mike Frable on his second stint as 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.880 a head coach, Josh McDaniel's on his third stint as 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.920 the Patriots offensive coordinator. It is completely in totally polar 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.960 opposite approaches from what they did last year. We are 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:43.080 no longer going to be worried about this guy's never 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.200 had this title before, that guy's never called plays before. 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.240 The term growing pains will be used a lot less frequently. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.479 Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. Now, that 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.200 doesn't mean that it always works, right, like these flip 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.640 flops don't always work. But I do think it's a 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:02.000 good thing. And the biggest thing with McDaniels in particular 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:09.080 is that this is a truly what's the word, a 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:14.480 truly sharp, experienced, veteran savvy coordinator. You can say what 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.160 you want about him as a head coach, but there's 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.920 not gonna hire. There's not going to be any questions 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.400 about his ability to run a quarterback, his ability to run. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.000 And I don't mean physically run, I mean like coach 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:31.680 a quarterback, install a system, run an offense, cater the offense, 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.320 game plan, play call in game. There's not going to 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.800 be any unknowns. We know exactly what the Patriots are 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:43.000 getting themselves into. And for Drake May, that stability and 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.720 that experience I think is going to be really big 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.560 at both head coach and offensive coordinator for a young quarterback. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.760 So I'm excited about that. I want to get into 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.600 the scheme stuff and what I think will happen here 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.960 moving forward with Josh McDaniels. But what is just your 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.760 big picture thought on McDaniel's coming back. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:01.320 I think it's a good higher. I think it's a 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.080 good higher. You know, there is definitely the draw and 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.640 I had talked about it when we did that show 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.360 a couple weeks ago about like trying to find their 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.160 own Ben Johnson, and that came with risk and reward. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:10.520 But if you just want somebody who can get in 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.720 and get this thing going as quick as possible, that's 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.520 Josh McDaniels. And it's not even closed. And you know, 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.760 for is he perfect? 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:18.880 Now? 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.360 You know the play sequencing sometimes gets under your skin, 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.760 the screen stuff, but for everything he brings from an 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:29.040 experience standpoint, from an operational standpoint, from his experience with quarterbacks, 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.360 his ability to be flexible, his ability to be multiple 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.520 We talked about this last week, Evan. When people say 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.520 I don't like Josh McDaniel's offense, Well, what is Josh 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:41.199 McDaniel's offense, Because like everything's at his disposal, there really 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.240 isn't anything that he doesn't do. There's certainly things he's 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.920 done more than others, but we've seen him do a 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.559 very good job tailoring his offense to his quarterback. I 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.520 had seen it a lot, but when we've seen it, 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.840 we've talked about how that Cam Newton offense with Demir 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.480 Bird and Ryan Izzo and a washed Cam Newton was 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.240 still probably better than it should have been. Rookie mac 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.680 Jones had the sixth highest ranked offense in the league. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.600 I would say he tailored that to mac Jones arguably 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.120 almost to a fault, because you know that year, I 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.920 think is kind of why he when that stuff about 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.800 the screens really became ah wi, there's so many screens, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.440 and then you saw what happened the next year when 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.160 they had mac Jones trying to throw down the field 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.920 more so, and that to me is the big thing, 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.960 like how is he gonna tailor it around Drake May. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.199 There's probably a couple different directions he can go We've 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.559 talked about some of the bigger points. Right the quarterback 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.800 runs the RPO game, I'll be really interested to see, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.320 and generally he's done a good job of Okay, this 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.120 is what my quarterback can do. This is what I'm 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.040 gonna ask him to do. I don't think he's gonna 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.520 try to cram Drake May into the Tom Brady system 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.760 or anything like that. The one spot where I wonder 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.160 if there's maybe a sticking point or where he goes 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.520 more towards what he wants to do. We know Josh 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.120 McDaniels likes to operate under center so he can run 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.200 some of that play action stuff. We know Drake May 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.640 is a shotgun quarterback. What's the distribution like there? Do 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.920 we finally get to see that piss stuff that we 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.400 didn't see last year that we wanted to see? That's 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:07.600 my big question. But I mean that's more operational than 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.640 just like is this gonna succeed or not. I'm more 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.880 curious what it's gonna look like. Will they be the 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.400 number one offense in the league. Probably not, And some 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.120 of that is just on talent. A lot of that 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.200 is just on talent. But I would expect to see 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:24.040 a much more versatile offense, a much more consistent offense 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:25.080 than we saw last year. 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:30.120 Yeah, So just to start from a schematics standpoint, it's 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.319 almost like, let's use the cheesecake Factory because they got 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.000 that big love the chews, they got that big, big menu, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:37.640 you know what I mean, Like there's like a hundred 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:42.000 things on that menu. So Josh McDaniels has always gone 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:46.560 to the cheesecake Factory and he's always ordered something similar 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.040 because of the types of quarterbacks he's had, Tom Brady, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.920 Mac Jones, Derek Carr, these are all stationary pocket passers. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.160 Although he's always ordered the cheeseburger, that doesn't mean that 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.360 there is an Aposta dish on the menu. So he 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.920 just hasn't necessarily ordered the pasta dish. As much I 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:10.000 have seen Josh McDaniels enough flex that he has different 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.080 dishes on the menu. It's just when you're a play caller, 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.440 you call the plays based off of what your personnel does, well, 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.920 you call the plays based off the defense, So you 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.800 just might not necessarily order that stuff off the menu. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.319 With Drake May, everything is on the menu. He is 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.240 one of those quarterbacks that it's great to have the 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.199 greatest quarterback of all time. No one's like saying that 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.160 it was bad for McDaniels to have Tom Brady. That 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.520 would be silly. But tom Brady was not running quarterback runs, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.319 he was not moving the pocket. You were not bootlegging 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.839 with Tom Brady. You were not running RPO and zone 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.040 Reid and all that kind of stuff with Tom Brady. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.360 Now all of those things are available to a play 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.679 caller like Josh McDaniels, who has the birth of the 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.760 playbook to be able to do those things and has 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.320 shown that in pockets that he can do those things. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.040 And I'm really interested from that standpoint point how his 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.320 offense now evolves, because he is one of those guys 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.280 that I think is really, really smart, and he's going 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.560 to be excited, I would think to be able to 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:15.480 finally almost combine elements of like the Cam Newton offense 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.480 with his traditional drop back passing game to get to 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.600 an offense that melds really the twenty and twenty one 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.440 offenses together. I think that's a good starting point. I'm 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.760 not saying that mac Jones. Obviously, Drake may has much 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.920 more arm talent and physical ability than mac Jones, so 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.920 hopefully quickly they evolved past just the mac Jones twenty 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.680 twenty one offense, but as a starting basic install type 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.680 of point, you have the run game with camp Newton, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.040 which was eighth in the league in DVOA. They were 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.200 third in the league in rushing yards per game that 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.720 season in twenty twenty and the pass game of a 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.160 mac jones offense. You meld those things together when we 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.920 get here in here April May June, and you're really 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.400 doing basic install type stuff. My guess is is that 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.560 is where McDaniels will start and some of those things 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.199 that we can get into in terms of the specifics, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.760 but really at his core the tenants of his offense, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.000 he is gonna run a gap run scheme. He's gonna 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.360 run downhill. You're gonna get the full back back. I 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.360 would assume you're gonna be running he told you that. Yeah, 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.680 you're gonna build that story. Maybe you're gonna be running lead, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.120 You're gonna be running power, You're gonna be running counter, 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.280 you're gonna be running wham. You're gonna be running crack 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.840 toss like this is gonna be We're coming at you. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.680 We're coming at you downhill and One of the things 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.640 that I really love about the McDaniels offense is that 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.880 he understands who he's putting in binds and who he's 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.480 putting in conflict with those run actions. So he knows 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.559 that when he leads that full back through the hole, 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.400 that the linebacker has to come down, right, He has 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.559 to come down and press the back the you know, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.280 the full back. So what's he gonna do with play action. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.679 He's gonna lead that full back through the hole. He's 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.480 gonna run across or a seam right by the linebacker, 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.160 and the ball is gonna go right by his ear, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.000 and you're going to be off and running. It's different 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:06.040 from the Shanahan McVeigh style, where you're really trying to 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.760 get matchups down the field. You're trying to get those 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.080 single high safeties, get the one on ones on the outside, 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.160 and bombs away down the field. This is a second 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:19.280 level intermediate passing game. I do believe though, that that's 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.960 gonna fit Drake May, because Drake May, unlike mac Jones, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.920 has the ability to drive the ball through those windows 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.520 right in the middle of the field. So now the 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.360 deep middle is back, the seams are back. Like these 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.920 are things that I think they had trouble accessing because 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.280 of Mac Jones's arm talent that they didn't necessarily have 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.480 in his rookie season. Now they have that back on 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.560 the playbook or black on the menu, just to continue 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:48.440 with that analogy. So I'm excited about that. You mentioned 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:53.960 the Cam offense. There's obvious differences athletically between Drake May 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.840 and Cam Newton. Cam Newton was six foot five, two 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.440 hundred and fifty pounds. He was a battering rate. Yeah 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:04.320 to run Mac Jones one hundred and thirty seven times, yeah, Yeah, 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.680 you're not gonna run Drake May one hundred and thirty 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.840 seven times like you did with Cam Newton in twenty twenty. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.760 You're gonna get him killed. You're just not gonna do that. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.000 But there's ways to tweak it. You know, Cam was 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.520 running inside, he was running in between the tackles. The 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.200 back was usually the guy they inverted their RPO, so 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.720 the quarterback was going inside, the back was going off 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.040 the tackle. Now, if you flip that, where all Drake 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.720 May is doing is kind of holding that unblocked defender 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.640 to open up numbers to the to the run inside. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.720 And every once in a while when that and crashes, 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.040 he can just keep it out the backside and just 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.760 be in space. And now he's not in crowds, he's 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.840 not gonna get his bell rung hopefully as much and 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.960 get hit as often as he would if he was 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.400 running downhill at the line of scrimmage like Cam was. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.440 So there's ways to kind of tweak those things. But 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.000 when you go back and watch that twenty twenty offense, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.600 like I hear a lot about Josh McDaniel's offense, it's outdated. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.640 He doesn't know how to do those sort of things. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.680 It's all there in twenty twenty. All the RPO, all 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.600 the zone read, all the quarterback design run on the 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.280 goal line, like, all that stuff is all there. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.080 The roster just wasn't good, Like you don't have the 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.120 talents execute at a high level. I'll say this too, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.640 if you want to do some of that stuff, especially 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.400 the goal line stuff. Yeah, full house package they ran 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.800 with Cam Newton, right, Joe Milton. Okay, Joe Milton. 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.120 Let's just know why why not? 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:24.840 Don't don't. 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.000 Let's just a bit He's not get to Joe Milton 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.640 seventeen minutes into the show, Like why not? Like because 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.840 that's not the point. Like, the point is to get 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.280 this offense to a point where we don't have to 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.240 do gimmicky stuff. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.520 No, but Josh McDaniels does gimmicky stuff for Oh, look 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.920 at Ben Johnson with the trick plays Josh McDaniels. That's 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.920 in his bag too. And whether it's all right we're 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.560 gonna go full house on the goal line with Joe 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.440 Milton because he is a tank and he can put 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.640 his shoulder down and run through a defender on the 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.200 goal line, whether it's getting creative with a guy like 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.200 Pop Douglas, who is just gonna fascinate me in this offense. 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.120 You know, I've always said to the one real issue 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.600 I've had with Josh McDaniels, he's never really been able 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.160 to figure out scheme touch guys Nikhil Harry john who 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.119 Smith except for Cordero Patterson was the one guy figured 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.600 out there happens to be a very Corderol Patterson like 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.280 player in this draft. And save me On Williams, is 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.680 that somebody you start talking about. Let let's not rule 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:20.640 out the gimmicky stuff because McDaniels is good. 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.200 I'm not ruling out the gimmicky stuff. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.479 I'm just I want to see Marcus Jones. They touchdown 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:27.640 pass to Joe Milton. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.520 But they need to have some base offense. 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:30.119 I know they do. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.960 I know Ben Johnson I think gets misunderstood a little 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.080 bit because people make a big deal out of the 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.000 trick plays that the Lions have ran over the last 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:42.760 couple of years. That's not what makes Ben Johnson great. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:43.520 The last. 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:49.760 What made Ben Johnson great was what is his system? Right? 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.960 And I think that's the difference between a guy like 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.480 McDaniels and some of these other guys that they floated 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.679 that and look, I am right there with everybody on 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.200 the tight pants guys like you know, I love those 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:06.000 types of guys. But the issue with hiring like the Yudanisky, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.840 the kid from Minnesota is twenty eight years old. The 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.639 issue with that is obviously an experience, but it's, you know, 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.960 to unpack that he's never run a quarterback before, he's 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.360 never coached a quarterback before, he's never developed a young 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.600 quarterback before, he's never called plays in an NFL game 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.000 like those types of guys. With a second year quarterback 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.280 and an offense that really has a long way to go, is. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.800 It was a bit of a concern. That's why I 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.800 came on to the show last week and said I'd 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.280 hire McDaniels. Yeah, because this is just where you're at, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.480 where you're at right now, it's a lot like Vrabel 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.719 like where you're at right now is you need stability, 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.600 you need experience, and from that, you know, until we 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.800 get into the trick plays and the Joe Milton package 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.240 and all that stuff, you need to install a base 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.959 offense and a system that is sound and that works 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.280 and that can be successful until you and then you 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.040 can start adding all this other I. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:59.840 Liked them to get to the point where they're adding 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.480 some of that stuff this season, right I don't you 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.239 don't need to wait two to three years to do that. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:09.359 You get the base Drake touchdown, I know, obviously, But 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.720 McDaniels is good with that stuff. McDaniels is good with 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.919 because it's a it's a core Belichick philosophy. Do we 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.119 have players that are good at specific things, and we 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.320 can take advantage of those specific skills. If you're down 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.640 on the goal line and you have a six foot five, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.800 two hundred and forty pound quarterback who's mobile, McDaniels is 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.400 the kind of guy and it's not gonna be every play, yeah, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.239 but McDaniels is the kind of guy that's gonna find 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:34.879 a way to take advantage of that. You have a 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.760 guy in Pop Douglas who's incredibly good in small spaces, 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.359 He's quick, he's impossible to tackle in a phone booth, 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.199 like McDaniels can take advantage of a guy like some 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.879 of these guys. That maybe the big thing with Pop Douglas, right, 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:48.479 And I don't mean to compare Pop Douglas to Joe Mill, 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:52.119 it's a little different, But when it comes to Pop Douglas, 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.920 the question has been you know, yes, he has he's 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:58.240 great with the ball in his hands, he has this 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.560 great skill set, but can he be of allvolume guy. 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.760 I think McDaniels is the kind of coach from his 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.520 experience that will have ways to make Pop Douglas an 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.200 impact player without him necessarily having to be a volume guy. 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.440 And I think that's part of the perk with Josh 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.439 McDaniels is as you build this roster up and eventually 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:17.879 you want to get to the point where there's all 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.960 these elite players all over the field. Right, But he 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:25.199 generally the Mac Jones here, the Cam Newton here, he 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:28.800 generally gets more out of the talent he has disposable 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.359 for him. His offense is generally punch above their weight, 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.440 and part of the way he does that, A big 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.399 part of the way he does that is he finds 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.399 players with specialized skills and he maximizes those skills and 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.200 maybe in spurts, but he does it. So as you 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.960 talk about installing the base offense, that's obviously the big 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.879 picture here, but let's also let's not lose track of 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.119 the fact that he is going to do part of 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.040 the draws. He's going to do some other things that 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.960 are creative that maybe they weren't doing the last few years. 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.080 That is going to allow this offense hopefully, Right, how 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.119 do they get to the to be the six scoring 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.399 offense in the league under Jones? It wasn't by putting 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:02.960 it all on Max Jones shoulders with some of the 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.440 other stuff they were doing, right, same with Cam Newton here. 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.160 So whether it is a package with Joe Milton, where 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.360 it is getting creative with Pop Douglas, maybe it's doing 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.560 something with the running backs, and I have a running 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.520 backs take on Josh McDaniels too. I want to get 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.159 to like, I'm excited to see that side of it 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:18.640 as well. 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:23.000 Okay I'm not, but of course not. I understand where 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.480 you're coming from. The other thing. I just wanted to 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.560 mention with McDaniels, I just I really don't think he 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.040 gets enough credit for how good of a run game 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.760 schemer he is. So there his last three full seasons 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.040 as an offensive play caller, not the twenty three season, 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.000 taking that one out because he'll coach the Raiders for 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:46.080 half the year, but they were eighth, ninth, and fifth 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.600 in DVOA running the ball in twenty twenty two, for 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.560 all its faults in Vegas, he had the rushing king 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:53.960 in the NFL and Josh Jacobs the number one leading 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.840 rusher in the league was Josh Jacobs that season with 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.720 Josh McDaniels. So if you talk when you talk about 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.960 taking things off Drake May's plate, making it easier for 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.439 Drake May, what we're really talking about is can you 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.159 be balanced r Can you have a run and a 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.680 pass game that are successful, and then can you hit 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.919 the easy buttons in the passing game, which is play 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:20.320 action RPO moving pockets like those types of things are 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.880 what make it easier for a quarterback so that he's 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.960 not just drop back passing progression read get the ball 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:29.880 out in two and a half seconds all the time. 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.239 He's not trying to be Tom Brady, where he's just 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.960 efficiently picking a part of defense all the time. The 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.000 easy button is becoming extremely popular. It's why Ben Johnson 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:39.960 just got a head coaching job. It's why Sean McVay 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.159 and Kyle shanahan and Kevin O'Connell are the darlings of 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.480 the NFL right now on the offensive side of the ball, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.840 because those guys are able to do that more times 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.320 than not. With McDaniels, I think he has that element 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:54.879 of his game to him. I think he's great at 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.680 scheming together the run game and the play action passing game. 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:00.359 We've talked about this in the past. You know, a 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.240 couple of years, Patricia Alex van Pelt a lot of 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.520 the time, like they would run run plays that weren't 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.960 didn't make sense with the pass the play action pass 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.560 right like they were running like a downhill duo and 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:16.639 then they were repairing that with like a bootleg route 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.399 concept and you're just like, how this is not who's 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.439 this impacting Who's in conflict here? Like, where's the space 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:26.040 that you're trying to create with this? It just didn't 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.000 marry together. And I think one of the more refreshing 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.359 parts about this hire is that they are going to 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:33.480 run a system. They are not going to run a 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.520 collection of plays. This is gonna be a system that's 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.639 going to fit together, that's going to make sense. Now, 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:41.600 after all the gushing and all the praise that I 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:43.800 just taped on Josh McDaniels, I do have concerns. 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:45.760 I'll just on the run game real quick. The other 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.919 thing I'm excited about is I would think we're going 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.160 to get back to the early down passing down back, 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:53.639 and the last couple of years it's just been by 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.119 drive or by stamina or whatever. Right, all right, Remandre, 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.280 You're in for these five plays Antonio gibbson Europe, next 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.479 and right, and it's not situational. There's benefits to that, 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.480 there's certainly benefits to that. But I think one of 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.480 the downsides is by the end of the year the 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.840 last three years, or Andre was just they it was 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:12.960 too much, right, right, they put too much on his plate. 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:15.880 I would hope now we go back to that early down, 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.920 passing down dynamic, which the downside is it's a little 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:22.960 more predictable, but it allows you to specialize players and 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.479 guys are doing with their best at more often than not. 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:28.280 So Stevenson's well rounded back, we'll see is he the 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:30.360 early down guy? Is he the passing down guy? Would 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:32.480 think he'll be the early down guy. And then it's 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.240 can they go Fine, we get to get back to 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:37.639 this conversation now of you know the next James White, 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.560 Shane Vereen, Danny Wood, Kevin Falk finding that kind of guy, 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.320 and maybe that's Antonio Gibson. Maybe he's just a spellback 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:46.520 for Stevenson in the early role and there's another passing 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.680 down back something like that. But I am looking forward 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:53.200 to them going back to that dynamic, that that philosophy 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:54.879 splitting the running backs on offense. 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.560 Well, from that standpoint, from my personnel standpoint, I job 0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.199 just got a whole lot easier because we know the 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.000 types of players he's gonna be looking for. We know 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.959 the types of all the way down the line offensive linemen. 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:07.720 They're gonna be a power run team again. You can 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:11.000 bet your bottom dollar that the outside zone stuff is 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.639 out right, like, that's not coming back. It'll be just 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:16.600 like I said about the cheesecake factory. It will be 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.120 on the menu, but that's not gonna be a featured part. 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.879 They're not gonna major in outside zone. They're not gonna 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:23.960 be big on that. They're gonna get back to running 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.840 the ball downhill. They're gonna get back to get you know, 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:31.160 guards Mike on Wenu, Shaq Mason like bigger guards, full 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.479 backs like. I think Remadre Stevenson benefits a lot from this. 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.280 I think this was where he was at his best 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.080 was in this type of offense and all this outside 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:42.720 zone experimenting. I don't think it ever really fit him. 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.400 I think this will fit Remandre. I think this will 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.080 get him back to where he needs to be as well. 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:50.640 The last thing in terms of the drop back pass 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.320 game on the positive side, and I do want to 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:55.120 talk about some of the of the small sea concerns. 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.679 I don't have any like big major concerns, but I 0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:00.520 do have some small sea concerns. One of the other 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.000 pet peeves that I had about the Van Pelt offense, 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:06.520 and we discussed this at nauseum during the season, was 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.800 how little scheme related conflict there was in their passing 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:13.879 game to beat man to man coverage, like it was 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.200 a lot of isolation routes, like we're gonna sprace the field, 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.840 we're gonna be stagnant, We're gonna be isolation routes, and 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:24.000 it just you beat the guy across from you. With McDaniels, 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:27.120 you're gonna see stacks back in. We're gonna see pick 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.800 plays back in, Like he's gonna find ways to get 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.840 guys off the line of scrimmage and have them have 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:37.440 advantageous ways to attack leverage and attack man coverage. You 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.439 know how many times would you see Julian Edelman like 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.200 in that short motion and then they get him into 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.360 that two receiver stack and then just snap the ball 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.959 right away and have the defense on its heels. Like 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:52.000 those types of little intricacies to their drop back passing 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.280 game that will be back in with McDaniels are intriguing 0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:59.040 because it just makes it easier on receivers to get open. Right, 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:02.520 You're not just asking a Kishan Boody to go one 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:05.040 on one on the outside and win five six times 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.480 a game, which we know is probably not going to happen. 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.760 So you hope that the receivers are better, and that 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.840 just that lends itself in itself. But at the same time, 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.960 I think that McDaniels is really really good at those 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:20.640 sort of things. As far as the smallest sea concerns go, 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:25.080 I think the main one for me, at least is 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:29.439 how much information are we putting on Drake May, Like 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.480 how much stress are we going to put on Drake 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.639 May at the line of scrimmage, making the calls, making 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.120 the line calls, making the checks, like all those types 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:41.760 of things. Or are they going to go with a 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:46.080 more watered down quarterback friendly version of the offense that 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.520 we know and some of the things that you've heard 0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.520 about McDaniels during this year off that he's gone around 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.240 to some college programs Ohio State, USC, a couple other 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:58.000 places to make I think Albert Breer said it was 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:01.959 more user friendly, try to make the offense more user friendly. 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.760 I'm intrigued by that, and I hope that that's real, 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.520 Like I hope that that's actually where they're gonna go, 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:11.680 because it's a lot to put on a second year quarterback. 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.639 And I not that Drake May isn't smart, but I 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:18.720 don't necessarily know if that's what you're really trying to 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.320 flex with Drake May is the mental muscle, like you're 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:25.800 trying to flex the playmaking muscle, not necessarily winning above 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.520 the you know, between the ears, because that's what he 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:28.000 has to do. 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.280 Do you think there's any chance that mc dames will 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.560 only get flexible and maybe borrow from Van Pelt that 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:35.840 David Andrews is more involved in the in the pre 0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:36.600 snap stuff. 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.840 Yes, I think anything is possible. I think anything's on 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.320 the table. My guess is, though, is that he will 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.800 be in Drake May's ear until they shut off that 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:49.280 had set fifteen seconds before the snap. And that's what 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.720 he did with Mac Jones his rookie season, and so 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.280 I think that he will hold Drake May's hand in 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.520 that respect more than we're going to put this on 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.719 the center. So we'll see how that works out. You know, 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.880 their coaches have done that. Sean McVeigh famously did it 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.720 with Jared Goff early on in Jared Goff's career. So 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.800 I think it's possible. And as we build here, the 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:10.680 hope is is that he can put more and more 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.520 on Drake May's plate mentally. But it's it's a lot 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.640 you know, you already as a quarterback have a ton 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.200 of things to worry about when you get to the 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:20.800 line of scrimmage. And now to add on top of that, 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.400 you know, what's the front, where's the splitz threats coming from? 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.120 How are we sliding protections, how are we setting mike 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:30.120 points like all that kind of stuff. It's cumbersome, Like, 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:33.280 there's a lot to think about from the quarterback perspective. 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.400 I just wouldn't well, I would rather not go down 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.560 that road again. But we'll see how Josh McDaniels does that. 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.440 The other thing that is just a small sea concern 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:47.160 for me is that notoriously not all not he's not 0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:52.320 allergic to motion, but he's not a big proponent of motion. 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.640 They've been middle of the pack his offense is you know, 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:57.920 the last three or four years that he's running offense 0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.600 have been middle of the pack in terms of rate 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.120 and all that kind of stuff. And if they're gonna 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.160 be gun and we talk about this a lot, if 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.600 they're going to be a more gun centric team than 0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.360 what he's run in the past, window dressing is key, 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.840 Like you have to have motion, you have to have 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:17.040 elements like that in your offense to bait the defense 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.720 out of passing lanes and to manipulate defense and things 0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:21.880 like that, because you're not going to get the under 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:24.960 center turn your back to the defense hard play action fake, 0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.760 So you have to have orbits where the motion goes 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.440 behind the quarterback, jets where the motion goes in front, 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:34.920 you know, other different things like that to add elements 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:38.880 and options for the quarterback to then confuse defenses. So 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.040 he's spent some time, like I said, going around to 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:46.120 college programs, Chip Kelly, Lincoln Riley, like those types of guys. 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.000 They all major in motion. Every college team does basically 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:52.120 at the D one level at the high level schools. 0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.320 So where does he go with that? How does he 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:59.240 make this gun offense more I hate to use the 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:00.280 word modern. 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:05.360 More, you know, just how does he involve more motion? 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.040 How does he evolve? How does he evolve offensively in 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:13.880 those respects? I think is important because his last two offenses, 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.880 the Raiders and the Patriots, were both top three and 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.640 under center rate. Right, you're under center almost fifty percent 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.040 of the time in Vegas in twenty two and forty 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.920 three percent of the time with the Patriots in twenty one. 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.400 I just can't imagine that Drake May is going to 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.360 be super comfortable with that. So if you're going to 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.120 be a gun team, how do you now build the 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.360 McDaniels Staples into a gun offense? 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:35.800 Right? 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.480 That's a big one, But I don't necessarily think it's impossible. 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.040 It's just where that the where do they go from there? 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.680 Do you have anything else on McDaniel's No, All right, 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.520 let's go over the defensive side with Terrell Williams. So, 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:51.120 I think is an interesting hire. A lot of really 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:56.280 really high praise for him as a defensive line coach. Now, 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.880 he's never called the defense before, so that's a big, 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.680 a big known the only guy right now that they 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:06.440 have that doesn't have all the experience necessary at the 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:08.880 at the job that he's being hired to do. So 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.000 he's never called plays before. But when you listen to 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:17.160 former players, current players on the Lions talk about him 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.960 as a defensive line coach, it's nothing but heavy play. 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:21.960 Jeffrey him on Twitter. 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.959 Yeah, so he's really good with that. He's really good 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:29.160 with the front. How do they now go out and 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.560 get somebody that maybe knows the secondary in the back 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.960 end a little bit better? Is that Mike Pelgrino. Is 0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:39.080 he like elevated to like a past game coordinator slash, 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:43.000 you know, secondary coach or something like that. Possibly I'm 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:48.200 just speculating, Brian, Yeah, that's possible. But with Terrell Williams, 0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:50.680 you just what are your thoughts on him coming aboard? 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:52.960 And I will put this other caveat in there, it's 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.840 Frable's defense. I have a ton of fear that the 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.960 defense is gonna be in bad hands with the head coach. 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.000 And that, and that's my big takeaway, Like this is 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:02.840 somebody who worked with Mike Rabel for a long time. 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.360 Rable clearly trust he made him assistant head coaches last 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.840 year in Tennessee. Yeah, And if it's going to be 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:10.920 Rabel's defense, which I've said all along, that's what I 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.720 want it to be, then it's just about getting somebody 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:17.120 who is familiar with Rabel, how he wants things done, 0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.440 how he wants to operate, all of that. And it 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.480 certainly seems like they got their guy in Williams. So 0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.280 I'm with you, not a ton of big picture of 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.520 thoughts because I maybe he calls the defense, maybe Vrabel 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.000 calls it, but I think it all runs through like Rabel, 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:30.920 it's gonna be his defense. 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.120 Yeah, it's interesting. You know, just a little bit of 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:36.880 the film study that I've done on their twenty three defense, 0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.760 and I think, you know, it's a good thing with Rabel, 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.840 but he's so malleable to the personnel that I don't 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:45.520 know how much of that was just this is the 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.920 horses that they had, and so they they shifted because 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.040 of that. And that's not necessarily what he is going 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:54.200 to major in here. But they did a lot more 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:57.040 four down stuff. They're a lot more even front, four 0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.320 down defensive lineman, a lot more aggressive up the field 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.760 penetrating type fronts. You know, they overload a side, they 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.280 go wide and nine with the a gaps open on 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.000 passing downs to run those games and I let the 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.520 three techniques penetrate. They did a lot more of that 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.359 kind of stuff than the Patriots do, and they play 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:19.120 a lot more zone behind it as well. Now, the 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:20.880 Patriots I don't think are going to do that in 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.680 terms of zone, but I do think that there's a 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:25.919 chance that we could see more of a four down 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:30.719 attacking front with Terrell Williams and with Mike Rabel than 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:31.880 what we've seen in the past. 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.560 And I for one love it now fits Perl. 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.279 They have to find the linebacker play right, Like that's 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:40.400 the biggest thing is that with that type of system, 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:42.880 with guys getting up the field, with the coverage space 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:44.640 that you want to be able to cover as well. 0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:48.120 Like you don't necessarily want the Juwan Bentley types, right, 0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.359 you want the Matt Milanos of the world. You want 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.520 those athletic linebackers, the Fred Warners if you're going to 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.759 run that kind of system. So they would have to 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.359 maybe identify some linebackers that could do that sort of thing. 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:04.040 Zact bond Hello free agency. But at the same time, 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.840 I've been clamoring for them to be more aggressive and 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.239 get there's a place for it. There's a time and 0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.319 place for everything in football, but the two gapping build 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:17.800 a wall, you know, gap integrity in the pass rush, 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.520 don't run past the quarterback. It all has the time 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.279 and place, But at other times you need to be 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:24.239 able to pressure that well. 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.279 And what you're describing that's going to maximize guys like 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.640 Christian bar More, key On White. If they draft Abdul 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.480 Carter would be a great fit in what you just described. 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:37.080 So I think they'll be flexible as well, but definitely 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.000 energizing the front that actually minded me. If you want 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:40.200 to go back, we can do this or not. It's 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.200 up to you. I did like the winners and losers 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.759 of the McDaniels hire for players, we can do it 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:46.279 or do you want to? I don't want to blow 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:47.560 the whole show up now. I just thought of it 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.560 because we kind of did that on defense, kind of 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:51.120 up and down putting. Now i'mutting you on the spot 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:51.800 with ups and downs. 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:54.839 Okay, okay, this is off season ups and down. 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.839 I had four winners for losers for the McDaniels hire. 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.680 All right, winner Remander Stevenson. Great, we already kind of 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.000 talked about that. I think he's gonna be putting a 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:06.719 better position. Kendrick Bourne if he's here, if he was 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.040 on a thousand yard pace before he got COVID, now 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.200 that was three years ago and an acl terror goo. 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.360 I get that, yep, but he was. He was excited 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:17.839 yesterday on social media. I get why. Yeah, Hunter, Henry. 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.640 Yeah had both systems are good with tight ends. 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:25.600 But yeah, city, So I'll explain the city. So in 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.560 a second, that more to my to my losers. Okay, 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:30.400 So here are not losers, but like, here's who's going 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.000 to struggle more, here's who's This is not good news 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:34.560 for Jalen Polk. 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.080 Okay, I think I'm also sure about that one we'll 0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.719 called Jalen Polk. Javon Baker won Javon Baker. I can 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.240 understand because of the mental side I be in this offense. 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:45.840 But doesn't Jalen Polk have a little Jacobe Myers in 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:46.280 his game? 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.600 Well that's what we thought last year and look what happened. 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.400 So I just like if he struggled with the offense 0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:52.480 and last year, I. 0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:54.759 Feel like this system from a mental standpoint, you mean, 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:56.759 I guess I can see that. I just think from 0:36:56.800 --> 0:37:00.080 a skill set standpoint, and look, I Jalen Polk is 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.120 one of those guys that I need to see it 0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:02.680 to believe it. 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:02.960 Right. 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.400 I'm not gonna sit here and count on anything from 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.080 Jalen Polk, no offense to him until he shows it. 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.880 But I do think from a skill set standpoint, you know, 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.080 they've he reminds me a little bit of Jacoby. No, 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:14.440 he does. 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:16.040 But I guess here's my point, here's why I put 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.239 him on. Like the guys that might end up on 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:22.600 the unfortunate side of this, right. Yeah, that's besides the quarterback. 0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:24.719 You can argue that's the most crucial role in Josh 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:25.680 McDaniel's offense. 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:25.960 Yeah. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:27.800 When Josh McDaniels, and I'm sure he's already done this, 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:30.200 but when Josh McDaniels looks at the film and decides 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.120 who from last year he's gonna keep involved, yep. Is 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.440 he gonna see Jalen polk and say, okay, slot receivers 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.440 set or is he gonna say we got to get 0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.000 somebody to fill this role. And I just wonder if 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.000 McDaniels wants to go to somebody that is more proven 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.080 and that he maybe feels he can't lie on more 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:51.000 so in terms of role being in Jeopardy Jalen polkaenough 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:52.719 and then the other two in this Coast of City 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.759 so point Whole Strange and Laden Robinson. They're gonna go 0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:57.919 back to running downhill, They're gonna go back to running gap. 0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:01.680 We're gonna see power. Right. You just know McDaniels wants 0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.160 to go get himself a mic on winning with that 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.200 left guard spot. He wants to go get some three 0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:08.520 hundred and thirty pound mauler at left guard. That's not 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.080 what Cole strangers. That's not what Laydon Robinson is. Maybe 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.960 Strange sticks at center, and that's why I put City Side. 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.160 I think Laydon Robinson is that he's not that big though. 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.040 I think Laden Robinson is a power guard. He's a 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.960 power guard, is like big big. 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:24.600 I don't think Leadon Robinson's that small. 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:25.960 I think he's like three ten. 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:29.080 I think Laydon Robinson fits that scheme. Cole Strange definitely does. 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.920 Laden Robinson. I actually feel like fits a gap scheme 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:33.680 better than what with the outside So. 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.600 I think City So does yeah too. So that's why 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.719 I had City So on the on the positives because 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.520 I you know, and maybe they bring in somebody else entirely, 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.279 but I think McDaniel's like he wants he's gonna want 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.520 mike O Winnu on the left side. Yeah, and I 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.200 like Cole Strange certainly not that guy. Maybe Laden Robinson's 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.160 that guy. Maybe City So is that guy. 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.560 Yeah, obviously Joe Tune, he's just. 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.440 On a hal of Joe that's like, yeah, just go 0:38:58.480 --> 0:38:59.000 find your time. 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.000 No, I'm not saying like that they need to find 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.200 a Joe Toney, but I would say that with McDaniels 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.440 in the past, though the left side of the line 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.719 has been geared towards more athletic guys, you know that. 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.439 Nate Soldier, Joe Toney, like, those are the two guys 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:16.360 that come to mind immediately. Laydon Robinson six, so I 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:21.840 think he believes a little bit in blind side protection 0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:25.239 and having a strong left side and pass pro and 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.879 all those types of things. They've always they were at 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:29.960 their best when they had Joe Toney at left guard, 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:33.760 who is a more athletic, you know, nimble former college 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:37.440 tackle moving inside to the guard, and Shack Mason at 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:39.640 right guard. Right, I guess you have your bulldozer on 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.440 the right side next to Marcus Cannon who was another 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.480 bulldozer on the right side, and you had Nate Solder 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:47.279 and Joe Toney on the left side, who are your 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.920 more athletic, you know, move type of guys. So I 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:53.400 wouldn't necessarily rule out more athletic guard. It's just not 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:55.360 it can't be cold strange, right, It's got to be 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:57.759 somebody that's got a little bit more mass and a 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.560 little bit more play strength than that. Yeah, but I 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.520 do think that there's a possibility that they could go 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.920 after an athletic guard just in a different kind of 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.919 mold than a cold strange. I think those are all true. 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.000 I think Antonio Gibson fits the system really well in 0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:15.080 the passing game. You know, he's that in that James White, 0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.799 you know, type of role potentially in this offense, and 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:21.200 I could see it. I could see that being a 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:24.239 nice fit. But in terms of as we've been this 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.200 forward and personnel, and you talked about Polk and the 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.680 slot receiver and things like that, I mean this to 0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:33.240 me definitely puts slot receiver or at least Z receiver 0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:35.520 at the very very top of the list of the 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.880 offseason where you need to get a guy that can 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.120 be targeted a one hundred and twenty five times, not 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.279 Pop Douglas and not a wild card right now like 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:48.640 Jalen Polk, but somebody that can truly be an engine 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:52.040 to your offense from the slot. And you know that 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:55.920 to me is you know Abuca Rastrepo, Like, are those 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.879 guys now people that we should really be talking about 0:40:58.920 --> 0:40:59.480 in the draft? 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:02.839 I see people say Chris Godwin and Freak. I think 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:06.200 it's a it's a good if, It's an important if. 0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:09.000 But yeaheah, that's a really good one too. But that 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:13.120 slot role is not it's not a Pop Douglas like 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.319 you know, like to your point earlier, it's not like 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.480 that occasional explosive. No, it's like, this is gonna be 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:19.680 a ninety catch guy. 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.560 Pop Douglas. To me, if we're gonna comp from past 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.080 McDaniel's offenses, and again, I think it's gonna be different. 0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.640 I wouldn't be surprised if there was something new for 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.359 Pop Douglas that we maybe haven't seen McDaniels do a lot. 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:35.480 Maybe you combined kind of I almost go to like 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.080 Brandon Cooks and can you have him do some Braindon 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.560 Cooks type stuff, but not that to that level. I 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:42.640 look at like dannyman Doola. So you combine some of 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:44.440 the Brandon cook stuff and some of the dany Amandola 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.680 stuff and that's Pop Douglas. But Pop is not a 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.600 volume guy. He's never gonna be a volume guy. And 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.480 they they need that, you know. Julian Edelman, Wes Welker 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.759 can go over the middle, get blasted, get back up next, 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:59.040 play that sort of thing. So who we were talking 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.160 about a guy recently who you comp to Deon Branch. 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:04.800 I was like, Oh, that's really a comp. 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.520 Oh Golden from Texas. Yeah. 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.640 I think I think we said in that conversation, if 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:12.200 they hire McDaniels, he's a great fit. 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:16.359 Yeah, I had said I had like two comps for him, 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.320 Dyon Branch. You know, for people that don't remember Deon 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.400 Branch as well, like I I he reminds me a 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.520 lot of Jayden Reid in Green Bay, who, in Green 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:28.200 Bay's offense is sort of a sixty percent usage guy 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.319 because they run the ball on early downs and they 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:32.360 want to run out of two wide receiver and have 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.439 the receiver's block and on the perimeter on outside zone 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:37.799 and all that kind of stuff. And this offense, you know, 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.880 it's always great to have a receiver that can block inside, 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:44.520 but it's not necessarily quite as important, I would say 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.120 it than like the McVeigh Shanahan offense, because you're not 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:48.080 running to the perimeter. 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:51.279 And we've seen some of these guys get here and 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.040 maybe they weren't, Like Edelman was a quarterback in college. Yeah, 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.399 but we saw him kind of learn and embrace because 0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:57.600 he knew we needed to do that to get on 0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:00.120 the field. Embrace that blocking role. It's anothering mcdan is 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.160 as good as a coach, like kind of instill that. 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:04.680 So maybe Matthew Golden gets here, he starts blocking his 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:05.120 ass off. 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.720 Yeah no, it's a good point. I do like Matthew 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:11.080 Golden though, he's smooth. That guy is a smooth explosive 0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.759 runs well, runs good routes. It grinds me a lot 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.600 of Dean Branch like. He's not a he's not a 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:18.920 power guy. Like, he's not gonna like Moss people and 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.680 stuff like that. He's gonna he's gonna finesse you a 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:22.799 lot like Dion did. So. 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.760 Will Lad McConkie in there too, Little Ladd McConkie. 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.799 Yeah, I mean, look, i' mccomy. Lad McConkie would be a. 0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:30.360 Great McConkey would be like the ideal. 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:32.279 Yeah. So those are the types of guys that you 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.520 know we as we all know that that we'll be 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:38.439 looking for with McDaniels on the defense, you have your list? 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:39.520 Do you have a defense list too? 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.799 Or I was only writing this for offense, but if 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:43.279 you want to do defense, we can do this off 0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:43.839 the cup here. 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:45.239 Yeah, there's a couple of guys. 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:47.640 I mean we are talking about key On White, assuming 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.280 Barbar's healthy. Yeah, those are two big ones. Those are winners. 0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:54.759 Yep. I love the idea of giving Vrabel and Terrell 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:57.680 Williams Keon White and just seeing if they can hone 0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.919 that skill set a little bit. It a little bit, 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:03.919 two guys that know the defensive line inside and out 0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:07.560 that can coach it really, really well. I just that's 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:10.520 what also attracts me so much to drafting Abdul Carter 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.560 is because you're gonna be giving this ball of clay 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:16.640 pass rusher to Mike Vrabel, who's gonna get out there 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.040 with the pad on and is gonna be like doing 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:22.120 you know, hand technique stuff and teaching him things and 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:25.000 having him watch old film and things like that. Like 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.560 that's that's what you want out of a pairing, you know, 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.480 fourth overall pick head coach type of thing. I think 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.840 Keon fits that same bill. You know, he talks a 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:36.680 lot about last season, how he didn't get the coaching 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:38.200 that he wanted, he didn't feel like he was being 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:41.120 coached hard enough, corrected all that kind of stuff. I 0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.120 don't think that's gonna be an issue with these two guys, 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:45.239 so that that will be exciting. I hope that they 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:46.040 can get it out of them. 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:48.919 So those guys for ups downs you mentioned Bentley, Yeah, 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:55.520 to buy kind of that same thing, like secondary is 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.799 kind of personnel specific, right, Yeah. To me, it's already 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:00.520 going to have a true free safety or they keep 0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.080 going to keep trying to play Dugger Peppers right there right, 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:04.680 If you had a true free safety, this is great 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:06.839 for Duger and Peppers because they can be those kind 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:08.120 of more athletic linebackers. 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.040 I would assume that a variable and Williams just based 0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:12.800 off of what they did in Tennessee. They were pretty 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.600 flexible with their safeties in Tennessee, like Bayert always played 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:19.000 up top, but they were pretty flexible with guys, and 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:21.839 they seem to know how to use those tweeters kind 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.120 of like have that Bill secret sauce of you know, 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:25.719 this is what you're good at, this is what you're 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.240 not good at. But I do wonder what the safety 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:33.000 is with Dugger and assuming that Peppers is available to play, 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:34.839 do they have to get away from that a little 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:38.120 bit because of how similar they are. And I don't 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:40.400 know if that necessarily fits. I don't know if it 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:42.800 even would have fit one hundred percent of Bill is 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:44.680 still here, right Like, I just don't know if that 0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:48.719 tandem as good at individually as those players can be 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:51.920 when they're at when they're playing well and at their peaks. 0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:54.960 I just don't know if I ever have loved the 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:57.360 fit next to each other. So maybe they do go 0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.719 out and sign a Javon Holland or somebody like that 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.200 and make a splash and free agency on a true 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:06.200 free safety that can play up top. I certainly would 0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:08.960 love Javon Holland, but you know, any sort of you know, 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:11.719 combination of that. But I'm interested to see what this 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:14.440 defensive line does with Williams. It was a big issue 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.279 last year. They couldn't stop the run. We all know 0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.960 that they couldn't rush the passer, they couldn't play in 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.239 the trenches. And as much as I have concerns, you know, 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.400 small Sea again, concerns about him never calling plays before 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.680 on a defense he is allotted for his work with 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:29.440 the defensive line. 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:30.640 Do you think he's gonna call it? Do you think 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:31.560 Rabel's gonna call it? 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.000 I would assume he's gonna call it with Rabel overseeing 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.920 it a lot like Bill used to. Do you know, 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:39.680 with the guys that were a little bit early on 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:43.080 in their careers as play callers, you know Steve early on, 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.520 Patricia early on, where it was one of those things 0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.200 where it's like, all right, like what are we thinking here? 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.680 Like what are we doing? Big third down? You know what, 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:54.640 what's what's what's your next play call gonna be here? 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:56.920 And just trying to keep them on their p's and 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.760 q's and keeping them ahead of things. That's the biggest 0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:02.240 thing from a play caller, other than marrying the front 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:05.200 and coverage and all that stuff, it's also understanding the 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.319 situation and like what's coming right, Like, Okay, we're gonna 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:11.840 have this third down, what's what are we protecting against? 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.840 What are their tendencies and all that kind of stuff. 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.319 I think sometimes you know, play callers that are young 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:21.280 and inexperienced, Uh, they they're just calling plays to try 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:23.000 to do what they want to do, and they're not 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:26.799 necessarily thinking about the picture, the bigger picture of the 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.560 opponent's tendency, the game situation. You know, I don't need 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.680 to pick on him, but like setting it all out, 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.239 blitz at Matthew Stafford for a seventy yard touchdown to 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.719 Cooper cup right, like, thinking of those types of things 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:40.920 I think are important for young play callers, not that 0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:44.799 he's young, but inexperienced play callers. That I that is 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:47.600 why I'm I'm so excited about McDaniels because you don't 0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:49.400 have to worry about any of that stuff on offense. 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.479 Like he's been there, done it, you know, So that's 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:56.040 exciting from that aspect of it as well. Any losers 0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:59.000 on defense other than the safeties, I guess, I said 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.799 Bentley to VI, Yeah, some of those tweener guys I 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.959 do always worry about, you know, is every coach gonna 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.239 see that as a useful thing that you're kind of 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:10.759 like this hybrid tweener type of player. I always worry 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:11.640 about those guys. 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:13.399 God show, are not gonna two gap? 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.560 Yeah, Godshaw. If they're gonna you know, they might play 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:20.440 some of that you know, shaded nose, those overfronts and 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:22.600 things like that where the noses in the a gap 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:26.680 and is still really considered a not a two gaper necessarily, 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:28.760 but he's got to hold the point of attack, right, 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:33.640 that's his primary responsibility. But a true nose, like Godshaw, Yeah, 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.319 I could see that being something that they go away 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:38.680 from I like that though, Like let's get aggressive, Like 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.200 let's get up the field, let's put some pressure on 0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:43.600 the quarterback, you know, let's get in the backfield and 0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:46.279 make some plays behind the line of scrimmage. Like, I 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:49.120 think too much of this defense. Even when you stuff 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:51.200 the run, it was still like a two or three 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:54.160 yard game, and that's considered a stuff. But like, there 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:57.280 was not enough penetration. There was not enough splash plays 0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:59.520 behind the line of scrimmage from this group for the 0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:01.960 last couple of years. And that's how you get teams 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:03.919 off schedule, and that's how you get them into long 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:06.000 third downs where you can rush the passer and you 0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.120 can blitz, and you can dial it up and you 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.960 can create turnovers in a flip field position. Like I 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.680 just feel like that's more of what they need to 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:18.000 do defensively, lasting on this and we'll we'll open it 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:21.080 up to everybody. Lots of emails, lots of phone calls. 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:24.719 I wonder in the draft at the top, if there's 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:28.520 a couple of guys that I am not necessarily in 0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:33.839 love with for them that maybe are in play Mason Graham, Yeah, 0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.279 if they're gonna run four down, Uh, if they're gonna 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:39.839 run you know, uh, double three techniques, things like that. 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:42.719 A lot more of that, it becomes a little bit 0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:45.960 more of a possibility. And even though I don't like 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:49.880 it because I I need not necessarily like I wouldn't 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:51.520 say that it's a high floor is probably the wrong 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:52.920 way to put it, but I just I want to 0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:55.640 hit down the fairway. But like some of those Georgia 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:59.080 guys like MIKEL Williams for example, who is raw. But 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:00.840 if you give them to you, guys that know what 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:05.000 they're doing and developing defensive linemen like Vrabel and Terrell Williams, 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:07.799 like could they get him to that next step of 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:11.080 his development in like a trade down scenario obviously, Like 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.760 if you're trading down to the eight to twelve range 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.320 and you just want to go with upside and tools 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.960 and all that kind of stuff and have Terrell Williams 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.160 coach the guy up, then I think some of those 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:25.319 those bulldogs, you know, Williams in particular, is somebody that 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.440 could be back on their radars. But exciting stuff we have. 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:29.440 We have a coaching stept. 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.319 Maybe Luthor Burden will hire on the board too. 0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:35.160 Yeah, I like that idea. Yeah, yeah, I like Luthor Burden, 0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:39.359 you know that. Yeah, I can see that. Anything on Springer, well, 0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:40.439 that's your your's your slam. 0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:42.960 You know it was good. There's good special teams unit 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.640 last year. Yep, no need to over complicate it. Vrabel's 0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:50.120 familiar with Tom Quinn. Tom Quinn, who's the assistant. I'm 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:52.040 glad Springer's back. I also thought he just did a 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.840 good job last year. We haven't talked about this a 0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:56.520 lot because it's not like a football thing, but you 0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:58.759 want kind of the tone of the coaching staff to change, right, 0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:02.600 not walking things back press conferences, passing around blame things 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:05.440 like that. I still go back to the answer that 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:08.440 Springer gave that last Friday of the year when he 0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:10.719 was asked about what it was like getting booed, he 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:14.279 was like, look, it's our job to make essentially on paraphrasing, yeah, 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:16.080 so our job to make sure they don't boo us. 0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.360 They're paying good money, they're taking their time out to 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:20.200 watch us, to follow us. We got to give them 0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.799 something better. I think that's kind of the tone you 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:23.960 want this coaching staff to take. 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:28.560 So okay, sorry really quickly, but before we we take 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:30.279 calls and stuff. I do want to go over some 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:34.640 of the assistant coaches and potential hires there, So Tony 0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:37.440 dues from the Jets. It sounds like it's being reported 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:39.160 that he's going to come over to the Patriots and 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:42.040 be their running backs coach. I believe, right? Is that 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:45.719 is that reported that he's gonna still coach running backs. 0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:47.840 He's been a long time running backs coach, so I 0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.839 assume you coach running backs. But the biggest hire now 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:54.080 from this point, and I know I'm going to shock 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:56.800 everybody when I say this, but it's the truth. The 0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:58.520 biggest hire now is offensive line. 0:51:58.360 --> 0:51:59.960 Coach, right, other than wide receivers coach. 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.320 Yeah, offensive line coach is the biggest higher on the 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:05.200 staff other than your coordinators and your head coach for 0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:09.719 any staff. So a couple names here. Obviously the guy 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:13.239 that I would target, and it gets complicated because he's 0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:15.719 under contract with the Giants. But I had to bring 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:18.319 Carn Brosello back in a second. I think he's a 0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:21.400 really good coach there. He was great here in twenty 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:23.200 and twenty one with the Patriots. He was good in 0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:26.200 Vegas in twenty two. If they can get Carn Bacello 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:29.040 free from the Giants. If he, you know, has a 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:32.839 really long standing relationship with Josh McDaniels. Maybe it's kind 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:34.920 of like what Rabel's doing with some of his guys, 0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.680 like you know, Stretch and Trell Williams. Maybe Brian Dable 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:41.120 you know, says okay, fine, you know, like he goes 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.959 to Brian Dable and Brisila says, hey, like Josh, my guy, 0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:46.880 Like you know, he's back coordinating the offense in New England. 0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:49.200 I'm gonna go with him. I would hope that that 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:51.120 would be the case. That would be my number one pick. 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.200 Keith Carter, who's was the Jets offensive line coach last year, 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.120 was with Rabel and Tennessee, that's another name to watch. 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.239 And I would say Camberon Clemens, who's right now is 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:03.520 on the forty nine Ers staff, is their assistant coach 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:07.760 offensive line coach, was on the Titan staff as well 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:10.480 as their assistant offensive line coach for a number of years. 0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:13.279 So Carl Brisill is the guy to me if you 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:15.759 can get him out of New York. Yeah, that's who 0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:18.720 I would target. But that's a big higher and second 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.359 to that big higher wide receivers coach. I agree with you. 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:25.680 Chad o'sha is an obvious connections. He's in Cleveland right. 0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:27.279 Now, and he worked with Rable last year. 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.719 Yeah, worked with Rabele last year. He's their past game 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.640 coordinator and their wide receivers coach though, so he's got 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.640 a pretty good title with the Browns. So I don't 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:38.320 know how that would work. And I like Wes Welker. 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:41.600 I like the idea of bringing Wes Welker back, have 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.040 him start training up whoever's going to play his position 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:47.120 in the slot in particular, he's played in this offense. 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:49.879 He knows it inside and out. He was an All 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:52.720 Pro player in this offense. And you know he's coached 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:55.520 in some other offenses in San Francisco and Miami in 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:57.759 that West Coast tree where he could bring some of 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:00.920 that flavor maybe potentially to it from a skill Maddox standpoint. 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:05.440 So I like the Noche is kind of the safe option. Yeah, 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:07.560 I kind of like taking a little bit of a 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:08.399 swing on Wes Well. 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:11.120 I like, I've been big on Welker for a while. 0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:12.440 Now I'll give you one more. And I don't know 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:13.839 that he's a connection. I just think he's a hell 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:16.400 of a coach of Sean Jefferson. Yeah, and assuming New 0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:21.200 York rebuilds its staff, which you think they will. Yeah, 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:23.120 Sean Jefferson had him to the list. 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:25.600 Yep. All right, So that that was my list in 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:28.120 terms of the offensive line coaches and things like that. 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:30.880 So let's take some of these phone calls. I know 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:34.240 you guys have been waiting. Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean? 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.319 Hey, Evin, I want to defend your answer to the 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:41.440 question about your favorite running play. I like Power. I 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.960 think it's a good running play and I think Baber 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:47.640 was excited about it bringing in the pullback, and we 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:50.239 need to, you know, win in the trenches. They need 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:53.360 to establish a run because the most important point to 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:55.319 me is like that's going to open up the play auction. 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:58.080 You've got to have defenses thinking that you're you're going 0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:01.320 to run the ball. And Alex I also agree with you. 0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:03.480 I know everyone want to talk about it, but with 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.520 the short yardage jumbo package and having Joe Milton in 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:08.520 there and you know, maybe doing a tush push or whatever, 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:11.400 but we need to they also need to win some 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.200 short yardage, especially at the goal line. Would be nice 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:15.839 to just be able to run in the ball there 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.759 when they can when it's the first and goal. And 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:23.160 one more thing, last thing, Bevan, I like your too 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.759 to read because they remind me of the comedian, the 0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:29.279 late great Gary Shanley when he said, you know what 0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:30.800 do they I just got a new car. What do 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:33.360 they call it? Is it called a Porsche or Porsche? 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:35.400 I can never get that right. So I'm the proud 0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:38.600 over of a new toyot. So that's it. I'll leave 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:39.760 you on that and you can comment. 0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:40.080 Thanks. 0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:44.720 Thanks, John. Look, I'm not anti the Joe Milton package, 0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:45.600 all right, and I. 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.320 Love It's just fun, So you don't want to talk about. 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:50.400 Josh McDaniels has always been like you said, flea flickers, 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:53.279 double passes, like all the trick players have always been in. 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:57.200 Josh McDaniels is in his bag. I'm not anti any 0:55:57.239 --> 0:56:00.680 of that stuff. I had just more interest and talking 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.840 about what their base concepts are going to be and 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:04.960 how they're actually going to move the ball offensively. Not 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:07.439 the one time a game that they want talking about. 0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:09.040 We'll get into that in the spring. But if we're 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:11.719 talking about what excites us about Josh McDaniel's overall, I 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:14.080 think it fits. Uh From the YouTube chat here. I 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:17.239 got so you mentioned carl and Brisilla for offensive line coach. Yes, 0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:18.360 Cole Popovich. 0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:21.759 So, and this is again, this is just my read 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.640 on it. I'm not reporting anything. But it seemed to 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.920 me that Cole Popovich and that whole twenty twenty COVID 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:31.640 season and all that stuff, he burned a bridge with Bill. 0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:33.360 I think that's pretty clear. 0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:37.120 I know, but it's I mean, Josh is an extension. 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:38.759 I mean, you're talking about bringing Welker back. 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:40.520 Yeah, but that's different. 0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:43.640 Well, he definitely a bridge, not like this. 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:48.319 I think they Cole Popovitch. Something happened. I don't want 0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:52.440 to speculate, but something happened with Cole Popovich, that clearly 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:56.240 because they had multiple opportunities to reopen that door. Yeah, 0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:59.040 and they didn't, you know, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, 0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:03.000 they had opportunities to bring him back on the offensive 0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:05.600 staff and they had no desire. So maybe Josh it's 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:09.200 a different guy. I totally can side that. But that 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.160 it's a good name, it's a it's a good name. 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.160 Let's continue with the calls because these guys have been waiting, 0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:15.720 and then we'll get to some of these emails. Getting 0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:19.160 tons of emails, which is great. Patty is an ago on. 0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:24.040 What's up, Patty? Patty? 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:25.320 Patty? What's up? 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.000 All right? Patty? You call back and I know you will. 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:30.439 All right? Justin is in Virginia. What's up? Justin? 0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:32.360 Hey? 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:32.720 What's up? 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:32.960 Fella? 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:33.280 Team? 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:34.040 Yes? 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:36.120 Hey? 0:57:36.200 --> 0:57:38.800 So let's say, because we always talk about who we 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:40.720 want to draft, but like we don't talk about like 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.600 the free agency portion of it. I got a hypothetical 0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:45.720 free agency and I want to ask who you want 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.920 to get with the fourth overall pick if this is 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:50.480 a free agency. So let's say you failed to get 0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:53.440 Te Higgins, you get Chris Godwin off of an ACL 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:56.320 you feel like he is like eighty percent? There, you 0:57:56.360 --> 0:58:00.800 get Cam Robinson and Jedrick Wills. You're at the fourth 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:05.200 overall pick at dual Carter, Travis Hunter and Cam Ward 0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:05.840 with before you. 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:06.439 Who do you want? 0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:11.880 All right? So wait, let me hang run that back, 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:15.640 run the names and free age. It's tough when we're 0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:16.240 just listening. 0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:21.400 Yeah, okay, so you've got you failed to get Higgins, 0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:24.480 Chris god off of an ad L. Do you feel 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:25.440 like he's eighty percent? 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:25.720 There? 0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:30.000 You got Cam Robinson and Jedrick Wills as your tackles. 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:35.440 You don't have anybody you feel like is that notable 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:38.680 of the name outside of these guys when it comes 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:44.240 to the draft at dual Carter cam Ward and Travis 0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:48.440 Hunter went, I mean, yeah, those guys. 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:51.840 Those guys are off. Okay, Okay, I get it. So basically, 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:57.080 you solve tackle, you solve receiver. Ish thanks for the 0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:00.560 Carter and Carter and Hunter off, which, regardless of the 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:03.160 freegency stuff, there's a real chance Carter and Hunter both 0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:06.440 off the board. I'm not ruling that out, so that 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:08.360 is something we'll need to discuss. I'll just say this 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:11.080 real quick. I'm good on Jedrick Wills. Yeah, you know, 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:13.240 Hurt a lot of heard a lot of stuff out 0:59:13.280 --> 0:59:15.760 of Cleveland about him just having like a compete level issue. 0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:16.880 And that's a lot of injuries. 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:21.360 Yeah, not the kind of guy they need in that scenario. 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.440 I'm trading down. I'm definitely trading down. And then depending 0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:28.000 on where I end up. You know, if Ted McMillan's 0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:31.280 still there, him and Godwin as your your ex and 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:33.400 your z or your ex and your slot, I think 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:37.560 there's some potential there. Yeah, I still might take a tackle. 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:42.000 Uh and maybe play. No, I probably wouldn't because it's 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:45.800 gonna be Robinson and and maybe take a right tackle 0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:48.200 maybe now a guy like you're not trading down far 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:51.800 enough for Emory Jones, So no, I guess not. You know, 0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:54.120 I take Luther Burden because it's gonna be tough to 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:55.360 get him and God went on the field at the 0:59:55.360 --> 1:00:03.320 same time, maybe like probably best defensive player available is 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:07.920 where I'd go. Whether that is yes, Mason Graham, Michael 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:12.120 Williams now, I might have a conversation about will Johnson 1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.840 honestly if he falls a little bit after a down year. 1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:19.440 If you are really confident that you have solved tackle, 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:22.880 like you've signed two guys that you really feel are 1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:25.880 starting caliber players and are going to be seamless, you know, 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:28.120 plug and play type of guys in free agency, I 1:00:28.120 --> 1:00:29.200 don't know how you get there. 1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:32.680 Can you do that? And do that? 1:00:32.800 --> 1:00:32.960 Hey? 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:35.120 If you are that confident off of the guys that 1:00:35.120 --> 1:00:37.240 are available in free agency this year, and that's kind 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:38.120 of a red flag to me. 1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:41.080 Yeah, I mean I think Alec Jackson's a nice player. 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:44.000 No, I do you think he leaves No, I don't 1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:44.720 think anybody. 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:47.960 Wants to leave LA. But I think Aleric Janson Jackson's 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:51.080 a nice player. I don't see guys like Rodnie Stanley 1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:55.440 hitting the open market, and Cam Robinson after that playoff 1:00:55.480 --> 1:00:59.400 game definitely gives me some pause. Twelve quarterback pressure is 1:00:59.400 --> 1:01:02.720 allowed in the playoff game. Not pretty, not pretty. So 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:06.520 I don't know how you solve tackle. But if we 1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:09.040 just go off the assumption that you solve tackle, and 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:10.920 then we're going off just to play out the scenario 1:01:11.000 --> 1:01:13.520 that Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter are also off the board, 1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:17.040 Ted McMillan does become intriguing because. 1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:18.720 He also had them signing Godwin too. 1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:21.160 Right, And then that's your nice compliment on the outside. 1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:23.600 It just kind of seems like that would complete your offense, 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:26.880 and at that point you are just looking for that 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:28.080 finishing piece. 1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:32.040 You know what. So I'll say this. Let's say hypothetically 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:34.160 you solve tackle, yeah, which again I don't know that 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:37.280 you can do. But you solved that, Yeah, You've You've 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:40.360 gotten Chris Godwin, who's a good wide receiver. So you 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:43.600 had a pretty good free agency. As much as I 1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:45.880 hate not addressing the defense, I'd probably look for a 1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:48.840 pass rusher. There's also a part of me that thinks, 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:50.760 all right, we did a hell of a job in 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:54.120 frequency with this roster. Instead of moving down six, seven 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:57.880 to eight, let's move down to twelve get an absolute haul. 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:00.520 Let's get a second this year and a few first 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:03.160 next year, and then I might take Tyler Warren. 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:06.960 Okay, I can see Tyler Warren being great. 1:02:06.800 --> 1:02:09.480 And Tyler Warren and Josh mcton, and now it's and 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:12.240 now I have you know you're probably picking. You're picking 1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:14.720 at thirty eight, you're picking again in the top fifty. 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:18.560 I'm hammering those those early Day two edge guys, the 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:23.160 Jack Sawyers, the Princely, the guy from from old Missus 1:02:23.240 --> 1:02:25.600 name I can't remember right now right, I'm hammering maybe 1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:29.040 Dion Walker. I'm hammering the defensive front on those Day 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:31.040 two picks. And now I have two first round picks 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:34.200 last year and next year, and if pass rusher is 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:36.600 still not solved, I'm flying up the board next year 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:37.640 and getting a pass rusher. 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:39.160 It's not a bad plan. 1:02:39.320 --> 1:02:41.920 I now that's there's a lot of ifs that you 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:43.840 have to do to get there, right, and I don't 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:46.400 know that they're all achievable. But if that's what we're doing, 1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:48.800 I still might take Michael Williams, but a part of 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:51.360 me says, let's get that absolute haul for next year 1:02:51.560 --> 1:02:53.160 and let's have some fun with Tyler Warren. 1:02:53.680 --> 1:02:57.200 Yeah. So I just I like Tyler Warren as a player. 1:02:57.560 --> 1:03:01.360 I always am cognizant in general of building your offense 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:05.800 through a tight end. Because but you've added Chris Godwin. Yeah, 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:07.640 but Chris Godwin, I'm not sure where he's at. 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:09.320 I guess Tyler. 1:03:09.000 --> 1:03:12.640 Warren is a phenomenal talent. Don't get me wrong. He's 1:03:12.640 --> 1:03:15.800 not brought Bowers, but he's a phenomenal talent. But unless 1:03:15.840 --> 1:03:20.280 you're really thinking that that tight end is Gronker Travis Kelsey. 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:22.240 Well, I was gonna say those are the only. 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:24.360 Two guys that I can think of in recent I 1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:26.360 guess you could kind of say Mark Andrews when he 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:30.120 was in his prime, Andrews not great timing but like 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:32.640 Buffalo legend, but like a couple of years ago, like 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:35.160 maybe you could have said Mark Andrews. But that's with Lamar, 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.200 who is like obviously. 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:39.479 His thing's its own. But I'll say this, if there 1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:43.080 is anybody who's experienced building an offense not just around 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:45.360 one tight end, but two tight ends, Yeah, No, this 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:48.200 is the guy. And you're gonna have Hunter Henry. You know, 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:50.560 you're probably gonna run out of twelve A Tony. You 1:03:50.640 --> 1:03:52.880 might end up using Tyler Warren kind of as your 1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:55.080 second slot guy. Yeah, and you're gonna run out of 1:03:55.080 --> 1:04:00.400 twelve a ton with Hunter Henry, Tyler Warren, Chris Godwin. 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:00.080 And. 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:03.480 You're gonna You're gonna have some big boys out there. 1:04:03.480 --> 1:04:05.320 I'll throw Kendrick Bourne in there. I guess is that 1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:08.680 next guy. Yeah, and that's gonna be your offense. You 1:04:08.720 --> 1:04:09.640 could donate it. 1:04:09.800 --> 1:04:12.520 I just feel again like this is sort of more 1:04:12.520 --> 1:04:15.920 than thing. Like I just if you don't have like 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:22.200 a true Gronk Kelsey level talent at tight end, like 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:26.360 building your passing game around the tight end position can 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:30.440 be difficult, and there are examples of it really at 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:33.680 the top of the draft, especially you know Kyle Pitts. Uh, 1:04:33.760 --> 1:04:37.000 let's see brought Bauers had an awesome rookie year individually, 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:39.520 Let's see what that offense looks like if he's the 1:04:39.520 --> 1:04:41.680 engine of the offense, Like, can they build it out 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:44.240 around him? I think you still have to have something 1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:46.400 on the outside. You still have to have, you know, 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:50.000 a great quarterback obviously. Uh, and I just worry about 1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:53.160 that being Okay, he's our number our number one coverage 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:57.040 dictating game plan Tuesday player. Is our tight end. That's 1:04:57.080 --> 1:04:59.160 that tight end. Better be a dude like that. Better 1:04:59.240 --> 1:05:00.000 be a stud tight end. 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:03.880 That's true, I guess yeah. And again this is all 1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:07.280 there's so many ifs here, right, Carter's not on the board. 1:05:07.320 --> 1:05:09.520 You've solved these things in free agency. 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:12.280 Right, So yeah, like a guy like you, I said, 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:14.200 Tech McMillan, And I know that I've been kind of 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:17.000 lukewarm on Tep McMillan, But the main reason why I 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:20.760 am luke warm on McMillan is because he's a finishing 1:05:20.760 --> 1:05:23.640 piece to me, Like you can't. The Patriots are not 1:05:23.680 --> 1:05:27.560 in a position right now to be drafting finishing pieces 1:05:28.200 --> 1:05:30.520 or like you know, the cherry on top of their offense. 1:05:31.080 --> 1:05:32.880 They're not in that spot yet. They need to build 1:05:32.920 --> 1:05:34.800 up the offensive line, They need to build up the 1:05:34.800 --> 1:05:37.080 trenches on both sides of the football. They need to 1:05:37.120 --> 1:05:40.640 get that foundation so that when you drop a Tech 1:05:40.760 --> 1:05:44.200 McMillan into this offense. Now you have Stefan Diggs in Buffalo, 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:46.640 you have Aj Brown in Philadelphia, like you're hitting the 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:49.920 ground running at that point. This is why look at 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:52.160 the Giants, and I know the Giants have a much 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:55.920 worse quarterback situation, but the Giants draft in my league neighbors, 1:05:56.240 --> 1:05:58.400 he's awesome. What did it do for him? 1:05:58.520 --> 1:05:58.720 Right? 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:01.960 It didn't move the needle, It didn't. He's a great player. 1:06:02.280 --> 1:06:04.840 It did nothing for them. So until you get to 1:06:04.880 --> 1:06:07.200 that point where you can start drafting. You know, we 1:06:07.280 --> 1:06:10.720 talked a lot about the Lions yesterday, and you know, 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:13.040 somebody emailed it and said, well, you know, like, why 1:06:13.080 --> 1:06:15.840 would you stick your nose up to drafting Jamiir Gibbs. 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:18.920 I don't if you are in the position the Lions 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:21.680 were in when they drafted Jamiir Gibbs. They already had 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:24.400 the offensive line, they already had Penny Sewel, they already 1:06:24.400 --> 1:06:27.920 had the quarterback. Like, so he was there, Sony Michelle, 1:06:27.920 --> 1:06:31.080 but better right, he was the finishing piece. Uh. And 1:06:31.120 --> 1:06:34.040 that that's That's where I'm at with the wide receiver 1:06:34.120 --> 1:06:36.120 position early in the job, because I feel like that 1:06:36.200 --> 1:06:38.040 call not to like pick on the caller at all, 1:06:38.120 --> 1:06:40.520 but I feel like that situation was begging us to 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:43.240 say Ted mc millan, right, right, And so that That's 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:45.280 where I'm at with that. Was there something else you 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:48.400 wanted to say? All right, let's Patty's back. I knew 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:52.960 he would be. What's up, Patty guy? You doing. 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:58.680 Doing all right? Today? I got a couple of questions. 1:06:59.280 --> 1:07:03.640 So the first one is, Alex, if we're we're able 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:05.640 to if Carter's there and we take him and we're 1:07:05.680 --> 1:07:08.600 able to like move up, or if we stay stationary 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:12.760 and Ariantierser's there, is that do you consider that being 1:07:13.000 --> 1:07:15.240 like half assed in the left tackle position? That's the 1:07:15.280 --> 1:07:22.120 first question. Yeah, okay, And can both of you kind 1:07:22.120 --> 1:07:26.160 of sell me on Mason Graham because I, uh, may 1:07:26.400 --> 1:07:29.600 I'm crazy. Maybe it's just me. I think you can 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:33.520 get like good interior guys, defensive interior guys and free 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:36.120 agency possibly. I don't know what the list looks like 1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:39.320 this year for for interior, but I mean we need 1:07:39.480 --> 1:07:41.960 we need that guy, that guy to get after the quarterback, 1:07:42.160 --> 1:07:44.240 you know what I mean. So like, if if you 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:46.200 guys think he's worth it, if he's zerik for and 1:07:46.240 --> 1:07:48.640 the other guys are gone, just try and sell me 1:07:48.680 --> 1:07:50.160 on him. I'll take that off their. 1:07:50.000 --> 1:07:55.160 Guys, thanks, Patty. So the sell for Mason Graham is 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:57.480 Jalen Carter right, Like, if he comes. 1:07:57.200 --> 1:08:00.000 In, it's not gonna let's not go that nuts. 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:02.360 I'm not saying he's that type of player. I'm just 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:07.040 saying interior pressure. Jalen Carter, the name of that. I 1:08:07.120 --> 1:08:08.840 really think that he reminds me of the most is. 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:11.280 I know I always say the name around, but Fisk 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:14.560 or Fiskey and with the ram like just that active 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:20.760 up the field, tenacious, uh playmaker at that spot. And 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:23.639 I think Graham's a little bit more well rounded, which 1:08:23.680 --> 1:08:26.360 is why Fiskey fell to the second round or Fisk 1:08:26.439 --> 1:08:29.320 or whatever fell to the second round, and Graham's gonna 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:32.080 go top ten. But the cell is is that with 1:08:32.200 --> 1:08:36.120 him and Christian Barmore hopefully back at full capacity next year, 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:39.480 you were going to push the interior of the pocket consistently. 1:08:39.840 --> 1:08:42.840 That's the cell. Now. I'm kind of with Patty like, 1:08:42.880 --> 1:08:46.400 I don't love the positional value of that. It fails 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:51.120 very very Washington Commander's circle like twenty sixteen to me, 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:56.040 where they had all all those guys like Deron, No, 1:08:56.080 --> 1:08:58.439 they're all great players, but where did that get them? Right? 1:08:58.479 --> 1:09:01.320 Like they drafted, remember that that streak they had where 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:05.400 they drafted like nothing but interior defensive lineman for like 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:07.519 three or four straight years. Yeah, all from Alabama, and 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:10.120 they had all these first round picks on their defensive 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:12.679 line and they stunk right, Like I just that would 1:09:12.680 --> 1:09:14.360 be what I would worry about a little bit. I 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:17.559 would much rather get the complimentary piece off the edge. 1:09:17.960 --> 1:09:19.920 We all love Abdul Carter, but even if it ends 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:20.920 up being somebody. 1:09:20.600 --> 1:09:22.600 Else, Michael Williams, James Pears. 1:09:22.280 --> 1:09:24.680 I would kind of rather go that route and be 1:09:24.720 --> 1:09:27.400 more balanced where you have like three points of a tea, especially. 1:09:27.120 --> 1:09:29.599 If you're I mean, if it's if it's Mason Graham 1:09:29.920 --> 1:09:32.719 or Michael Carter, plus you get an extra top fifty 1:09:32.720 --> 1:09:35.720 pick because you're probably trading down. I would much rather that. 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:38.439 I would much rather that. I think Graham's a good player. 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:40.400 I just don't know if the spots the Patriots are 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:41.760 in right now, it doesn't make a ton of sense. 1:09:41.800 --> 1:09:45.280 And I know he's not a three down interior player necessarily, 1:09:45.360 --> 1:09:48.599 but when you're talking about obvious pass, like third down, 1:09:48.640 --> 1:09:51.360 obvious pass like can't Keon White kind of do the 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:54.080 same thing next to Christian bar More that Mason Graham's 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:56.759 gonna do for you in terms of penetrating and lining 1:09:56.800 --> 1:09:59.320 up over guards and rushing inside. Like I feel like 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:02.360 you already have that at that third down interior pass 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:05.040 rush tandem if you have both those guys healthy and 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:08.519 playing well at the same time. So I just that's 1:10:08.640 --> 1:10:08.960 that's it. 1:10:09.840 --> 1:10:13.080 My good player's great player, great player my rule thumb 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:15.640 for this draft. And Evan, maybe this is too simplistic, 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:20.400 but the Patriots have three either blue chair or potentially 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:22.000 blue chip players on the roster. That's it. They have 1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:25.759 three guys that are true like playmaker. You're gonna count 1:10:25.800 --> 1:10:27.920 on them down and down out guys, Drake May, Christian 1:10:28.040 --> 1:10:32.719 ZoZ assuming health, Christian Barber. Right, you have so many 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:36.240 other needs, so many needs to take a player at 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:39.280 one of those three positions at the top of the draft, 1:10:39.280 --> 1:10:41.360 and you have all those other needs. To me, is 1:10:41.520 --> 1:10:44.320 just your consolidating talent too much. You need to spread 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:46.880 the talent around the roster. Now, if we find out, 1:10:46.880 --> 1:10:49.360 and obviously don't want this to happen, but if we 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:51.320 were to find out that Christian Barmber can't play football 1:10:51.320 --> 1:10:54.920 anymore because it was a medical condition, now all right, 1:10:55.400 --> 1:10:58.639 it becomes a much more realistic conversation to me because 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:01.320 you don't already have that guy in that spot. But 1:11:01.400 --> 1:11:05.320 assuming Christian Barmore is coming back, I just you gotta 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:07.800 spread the wealth. There's too many other positions that need 1:11:07.840 --> 1:11:09.760 to be addressed for you to be like, we have 1:11:09.920 --> 1:11:13.719 four elite players, two of them are a defensive tackle. 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:19.200 Yeah, it's the Washington Commanders in twenty like eighteen, Well, they. 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:21.120 Were just drafting as many Alabama players as they got, 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:24.120 and all the best Alabama players happen to be defensive line. 1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:26.200 That's what it was though, No, that's what it was. 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:28.960 But the roster, I think what happened was they just 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:31.040 were ignoring the positions and looking for the guys that 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:33.080 had Alabama next oh Man, and they all have to 1:11:33.120 --> 1:11:37.880 be in lineman because those fronts were unbelievable. 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All right, 1:12:45.280 --> 1:12:46.880 let's get to some of these emails, because we have 1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:50.800 seventeen million of them and we really appreciate it. You know, 1:12:51.120 --> 1:12:55.320 this is uh, I know This is from Tyler in Connecticut. 1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:58.920 He was just wondering if we had any you know, 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:01.120 we all know t Higgins, all know the big names. 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:05.599 Is there any any under the radar free agents that 1:13:05.800 --> 1:13:09.240 we would like to see the Patriots target in free agency? 1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:12.599 And I have one and he does list him here. 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:14.800 I don't know if he's necessarily under the radar he's 1:13:14.800 --> 1:13:16.920 going to be like an all pro, but I love 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:20.000 me some Zach Bond with Philadelphia. Yeah, I think that 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:22.400 he's one of those guys. They might tag him in 1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:25.720 some way, transition, franchise, whatever, But if he hits the 1:13:25.720 --> 1:13:29.200 open market, I am definitely in on a Zach Bond 1:13:29.240 --> 1:13:31.920 athletic can play on the ball or off the line 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:35.519 of scrimmage, like He's one of those classic Patriot Mike 1:13:35.600 --> 1:13:38.240 Rabel style linebackers that you can just move around the 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:41.160 front and do different things with, can cover really well 1:13:41.640 --> 1:13:44.160 down the field. So I'm a big Zach Bond guy. 1:13:44.320 --> 1:13:47.200 I mentioned Alaric Jackson earlier. I think that if you 1:13:47.280 --> 1:13:49.639 look at this tackles in the class and you assume 1:13:49.680 --> 1:13:53.759 like Ronnie Stanley's not available, I think alar Jackson solves 1:13:54.240 --> 1:13:56.439 a spot, at least as a stop gap and not 1:13:56.479 --> 1:13:58.800 a Chuoxacorp for a stop gap. Like, yeah, he's a 1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:02.479 real y, real NFL offensive tackle. So those would be 1:14:02.520 --> 1:14:04.320 my two off the top of my head. 1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:07.360 So I'll give you a couple, I've said, Carlton Davis, Yep, 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:09.280 kind of. I don't think that they do need a 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:13.040 second corner. It's not something they need to address super heavily. 1:14:14.120 --> 1:14:16.439 He's falling down, you good, good, this thing's fallow that 1:14:16.479 --> 1:14:20.080 So I'm sure people can hear me, Carlton Davis. You know, 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.200 adding another corner I think would make a lot of sense. 1:14:22.240 --> 1:14:24.280 He gives them that size, that physicality, then he'll give 1:14:24.280 --> 1:14:26.640 you one on offense. This literally just came to me. 1:14:26.680 --> 1:14:28.200 I can't believe it took me this, I'll even think 1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:30.560 of it. We were talking about slot receivers, right, a 1:14:30.600 --> 1:14:33.320 guy you can trust, trying to get that Jacobe Meyers type. 1:14:33.360 --> 1:14:36.400 When I first saw this guy when he came into 1:14:36.360 --> 1:14:38.960 the league in twenty twenty, I was like, that's a 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:40.920 Patriots receiver. And we didn't know what was gonna happen 1:14:40.920 --> 1:14:42.920 with Belichick and McDaniels and all that, but I remember 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:44.680 seeing him being like, that guy's gonna play for the 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:47.160 Patriots some point and he's finally a free AGENTI this year, 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:50.000 and it just so happens. He has a good relationship 1:14:50.000 --> 1:14:52.519 with new head coach Nick Westbrook A Kine. 1:14:52.680 --> 1:14:54.000 Oh yeah, No, he's a good player. 1:14:54.080 --> 1:15:01.000 He's a very reliable, steady, consistent pass catcher. He's got 1:15:01.000 --> 1:15:03.240 the frame. I don't think he was that volume guy 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:04.840 in Tennessee. I'd have to look up his stats. 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:06.640 I don't know what his no, but you're high for 1:15:06.760 --> 1:15:09.880 targets the Patriots last year. Not that that's everything, but 1:15:10.520 --> 1:15:12.679 he's yeah, he's so's his number three. 1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:16.400 But he's never had more than sixty catch sixty targets 1:15:16.400 --> 1:15:20.360 in a season. But if you were to sign a T. 1:15:20.520 --> 1:15:24.800 Higgins draft, a DK Metcalf trade for DK Metcalf draft 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:27.040 Ted McMillan, right, you get that guy at the X 1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:31.920 and now Nick Westbrookie Keene is your slot z yep. 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:34.760 I think that's pretty good. And I don't know, am 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:37.479 I wrong Evan that I think he's I could project 1:15:37.560 --> 1:15:39.200 him towards like one hundred targets. 1:15:39.240 --> 1:15:42.000 He's a solid player, yea and uh, and you know 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:44.519 we'll do all those little dirty work things and it 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:47.200 can run routs and things but he's maybe a little 1:15:47.240 --> 1:15:51.640 bit more what's the word detailed than Kendrick Bourne, like 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:54.280 he's got it. Yeah, Kendrick Bourne has these mental lapses 1:15:54.320 --> 1:15:56.040 where he forgets the route or runs it at the 1:15:56.040 --> 1:15:58.040 wrong depth, and he's talked about his openly, so I'm 1:15:58.040 --> 1:16:01.519 not saying anything about then that he hasn't said himself. 1:16:02.080 --> 1:16:04.639 But Keine strikes me as a guy that's a little 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:06.960 bit more locked in. But his skill set is a 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:09.479 little bit redundant or similar to Kendrick Borne. He's bigger 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:11.880 two six fifteen, so I just wonder a little bit 1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:14.120 about that, But I do I do like him as 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:16.680 a player in terms of that sort of tier that's 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:18.519 sort of what you're looking for in free agency. And 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:20.760 you know, I wanted to talk a little bit about 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:22.800 the Commanders today just because of what's going on with 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:24.840 Jayden Daniels and that in the run that they're on 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:29.280 right now. So much of my takeaway from this Commander's 1:16:29.360 --> 1:16:33.000 run is that they've done such a great job Adam 1:16:33.040 --> 1:16:37.880 Peters did of just getting the floor of the team 1:16:38.080 --> 1:16:41.360 to be higher going into the season, so that if 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:44.920 Jaden Daniels was a stud, which he is, that he 1:16:44.960 --> 1:16:48.080 could elevate the roster the rest of the way right 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:50.920 to get them into the NFC Championship Game or at 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:52.640 least the playoffs. I don't think they ever thought they 1:16:52.680 --> 1:16:56.479 were gonna be in the NFC Championship game, but they 1:16:56.640 --> 1:16:59.400 like Westbrook in Kinneck, I think fits this mold, which 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:03.080 is why I segue to it. They signed like Bobby 1:17:03.120 --> 1:17:09.320 Wagner and Wiley right, Taxers, Uh Beadish on the interior 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:14.200 offensive line, Zach Ertz, Frank Jeremy Chin. Yeah, like all 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:19.599 these guys that aren't household superstar type players, but they're 1:17:19.640 --> 1:17:23.640 all NFL starters. And that just took the whole the 1:17:24.160 --> 1:17:27.559 whole level of the of the roster just went up 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:30.600 a notch because they just had this floor that was 1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:33.160 more stable. It's not all that different than what the 1:17:33.160 --> 1:17:35.920 Patriots did in twenty twenty one, right where they kind 1:17:35.920 --> 1:17:39.000 of spread the money around. They've made one splash with judaon, 1:17:39.120 --> 1:17:41.240 but for the most part that they were just kind 1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:46.040 of getting solid, capable, reliable, steady, veteran presence on the 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:48.360 roster and then you just hope that the draft and 1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:51.000 the quarterback is what knocks it out at me. This 1:17:51.080 --> 1:17:51.960 is what happened in watch. 1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:53.760 This is what I remember giving this take last year 1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:55.680 when we were doing the draft and developed stuff. It's like, 1:17:55.720 --> 1:17:57.360 that's all good in Green Bay when you have a 1:17:57.400 --> 1:18:00.120 foundation bill, but there's no foundation here. It was like, 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:02.280 you don't have to do freegency every year. I get it. 1:18:02.320 --> 1:18:04.960 The Packers never do freegency, right, Elliott Wolf that's not 1:18:04.960 --> 1:18:07.120 his background. And look he's not the one calling the 1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:07.759 shots anymore. 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:09.879 But yeah, just one. 1:18:09.760 --> 1:18:13.439 Year, do free agency. One year build that floor that 1:18:13.520 --> 1:18:16.639 you don't have that you had in Green Bay. That's 1:18:16.680 --> 1:18:18.280 what I was. That's what I want him to do 1:18:18.360 --> 1:18:20.000 last year, and they never did it, so hopefully they 1:18:20.000 --> 1:18:20.800 do it this year. Yeah. 1:18:20.840 --> 1:18:23.919 And then you know, really where you get your ceiling 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:26.280 is in the draft, right, So they get Jayden Daniels, 1:18:26.320 --> 1:18:28.679 which is the obvious one, but they also get Sandri Still. 1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:31.920 They also get Brandon Coleman at left tackle. They also 1:18:31.960 --> 1:18:34.519 get Luke McCaffrey, who's been like a nice, you know, 1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:37.040 complimentary piece for them, like you get all you know, 1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:39.080 Eckler is another one of those veteran guys that they 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:40.840 added at running back. You know, like you get all 1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:44.679 those guys in the building to make your team better 1:18:44.760 --> 1:18:47.479 in the short term and have that floor rise to 1:18:47.560 --> 1:18:50.120 a different level. And then if you draft well and 1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:52.560 you stack that on top of that roster of the 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:55.719 veteran guys, now all of a sudden, you have a ceiling, 1:18:55.880 --> 1:18:57.639 right that's a little bit higher than what you thought. 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:00.400 The Patriots are that exact same position. If they can 1:19:00.439 --> 1:19:04.960 sign six, eight, ten of those types of veteran free 1:19:04.960 --> 1:19:08.000 agents to increase the floor of the team and then 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:12.080 have another really strong draft. Oh, I say another, have 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:13.479 a strong draft, well. 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:15.479 Twenty twenty three, you're talking about twenty three. 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:18.000 But just have a good draft. Yeah, and you stack 1:19:18.120 --> 1:19:20.280 that on top of it. Now we're cooking with gas 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:23.080 like that. You're building something here, and that's that's my 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:25.160 hope for the Patriots and free agency. I'm not saying 1:19:25.160 --> 1:19:26.880 you can't go out and sign t Higgins if you 1:19:26.920 --> 1:19:27.400 want to. 1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:30.160 Or you probably can't going back to Cincinnati, yeah. 1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:32.040 Or you know, Josh Sweat, who's gonna get a top 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:32.840 of the market deal. 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:34.160 Josh, what makes a lot of sense for them. 1:19:34.160 --> 1:19:35.200 I'm not saying you can't do that. 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:37.640 Well, you said compare twenty twenty one. They got chewed on, right, 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:39.320 You get that one guy, right. 1:19:39.360 --> 1:19:41.240 The comparison you're just because the head coach is going 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:43.000 to be a lot to two thousand and one where 1:19:43.240 --> 1:19:48.599 they sign Rabel Anthony Pleasant, Roman Feifer, like they. 1:19:48.479 --> 1:19:50.000 Sign like Antoine Smith. 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:53.080 I think, yeah, there's like ten of those guys. Yeah, 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:56.040 you know, like those types of players. Obviously, the modern 1:19:56.040 --> 1:20:00.599 comparison is what Washington's doing right now. This is from 1:20:00.640 --> 1:20:03.559 Phil in North Carolina, who's a big Drake May fan. 1:20:03.640 --> 1:20:07.280 So I assume that's why he is now a Patriots guy. 1:20:07.320 --> 1:20:09.080 So we appreciate. I like those types of people. I 1:20:09.120 --> 1:20:12.240 appreciated Phil. He said that he is not a huge 1:20:12.280 --> 1:20:14.760 fan of the Josh McDaniels. I wanted to get some 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:16.760 different thoughts and I didn't want it to be all 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:19.960 sunshine and rainbows. He's not a fan of Josh McDaniels, 1:20:21.720 --> 1:20:25.800 and he wants us to list four pros about Josh 1:20:25.880 --> 1:20:30.000 McDaniels without saying that he's not a flight risk for 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:31.840 a head coaching job. I can I can do this. 1:20:32.240 --> 1:20:33.960 That was the first half hour to show, Yeah, like 1:20:34.360 --> 1:20:36.040 this is what I don't understand. Like I didn't even 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:38.519 mention that he wasn't a flight risk. I think that 1:20:38.800 --> 1:20:42.400 his he's got a system, which I love. Yeah, he's 1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:47.040 a known developer quarterback developer, which I like. Uh. He's 1:20:47.160 --> 1:20:49.160 very good at game planning and he's been in that 1:20:49.400 --> 1:20:52.680 and no shoes an in game play calling game planning. Uh, 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:54.920 and I love his run game and play action passing. 1:20:55.240 --> 1:20:56.400 That's fo I can keep going. 1:20:57.040 --> 1:20:59.880 He let me see if I can do four different ones. 1:21:00.680 --> 1:21:03.280 He has a good track record. It's limited, but in 1:21:03.280 --> 1:21:05.400 the times he's done it, it's been good. Yeah, of 1:21:06.400 --> 1:21:09.400 molding what he's calling, what he's designing around the talent 1:21:09.640 --> 1:21:11.679 rather than trying to force the talent what he wants 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:15.479 to do. You talk about the quarterback development, he and 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:18.599 his system have a good track record of developing offensive lineman, 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:24.320 so I'll piggyback on that. I much prefer the situational 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:27.160 running back distribution versus just doing it by drive or 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:31.280 by stamina. And now we're getting on eight here, I'm 1:21:31.280 --> 1:21:32.200 trying to remember what you. 1:21:32.120 --> 1:21:35.759 Said while you're thinking, there's one other. 1:21:35.680 --> 1:21:38.120 The advisor's a good look, a timeless look. 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:40.040 The one another thing that I just want to push 1:21:40.120 --> 1:21:43.559 back a little bit on the whole. Like he calls 1:21:43.560 --> 1:21:46.920 a lot of third down screens, So I look this up. 1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:52.240 We are getting all hot and bothered about fifteen plays 1:21:52.560 --> 1:21:55.360 in twenty twenty one they called it fifteen screens on 1:21:55.439 --> 1:21:58.320 third down and twenty twenty one, So my fifteen that's 1:21:58.400 --> 1:22:02.759 like two percent of the entire entirety of the plays 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:05.679 that they called, right if they called a thousand offensive plays. 1:22:05.800 --> 1:22:07.680 I'm not very good at math, but I can tell 1:22:07.680 --> 1:22:08.759 you that that's like two percent. 1:22:08.840 --> 1:22:11.000 Right, we'll put it in five percent whatever? Right? 1:22:11.080 --> 1:22:14.320 That that that right there is We're getting all hot 1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:17.920 and bothered about something that they did two percent of 1:22:17.960 --> 1:22:18.280 the time. 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:20.800 And I think the reason he did it again he 1:22:21.000 --> 1:22:24.200 does a good job of calling plays relative to the 1:22:24.240 --> 1:22:27.000 quarterback skill set, and I think that's just what he 1:22:27.040 --> 1:22:29.520 felt best about with Mac Jones on third and lungs. 1:22:29.920 --> 1:22:31.880 I nailed that right, right, one point five percent? Look 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:32.080 at that? 1:22:32.000 --> 1:22:34.000 That was good for you. What would you rather do 1:22:34.040 --> 1:22:34.400 on that? 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:34.720 Right? 1:22:34.840 --> 1:22:35.720 Marine? I did that? 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:37.599 What did you use Excel to figure out? 1:22:37.760 --> 1:22:38.760 It's called a calculator? 1:22:38.760 --> 1:22:39.040 All right? 1:22:39.120 --> 1:22:40.000 I know? Have you heard of that? 1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:40.360 I have? 1:22:40.640 --> 1:22:40.960 Yeah? 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:41.960 What I trust me? 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:44.000 I have the fact that I had to use a 1:22:44.000 --> 1:22:45.400 calculator to do that's kind of sad. 1:22:45.479 --> 1:22:48.519 I used calculator for sadder. What would you rather Mac 1:22:48.600 --> 1:22:51.160 Jones doing on third and one. Would you rather him 1:22:51.200 --> 1:22:53.760 throwing the ball, you know, deep in cuts or would 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:56.000 you rather screen and try to let James White make 1:22:56.000 --> 1:22:57.240 a player whoever make a play? 1:22:57.439 --> 1:23:00.559 Yeah, So so the one, uh, the one can learn that. 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:06.040 Phil also mentions here in this email, and this, to 1:23:06.080 --> 1:23:08.640 me is is fair, Like I don't necessarily think that 1:23:08.720 --> 1:23:12.240 I'm super concerned about it, but it's fair. Uh. Is 1:23:12.400 --> 1:23:14.800 just the fact that McDaniels did not have a great 1:23:14.840 --> 1:23:17.760 relationship with players in Vegas and that was a big 1:23:17.800 --> 1:23:21.080 part of why he did not work there and how 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:27.000 that could or could deter free agents or trade you know, 1:23:27.880 --> 1:23:30.880 trade guys, guys they targeted in trades to want to 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:32.800 play in this offense and to want to come here. 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:36.519 We also got another email, DeVante DeVante Adams went on 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:38.599 a It's it's related, so you can make your point. 1:23:38.960 --> 1:23:42.040 DeVante Adams went on a podcast at some point and 1:23:43.439 --> 1:23:48.520 said didn't say anything like totally uh scorched earth about McDaniels, 1:23:49.000 --> 1:23:50.640 but he just mentioned that it's like kind of a 1:23:50.680 --> 1:23:53.000 dink and dunk offense, right, Like they're kind of an 1:23:53.040 --> 1:23:55.280 efficient offense. They're trying to take chunks out of the 1:23:55.280 --> 1:23:57.760 defense instead of go for big plays and and chuck 1:23:57.760 --> 1:23:59.760 it deep and and you know, just that whole thing 1:23:59.840 --> 1:24:04.320 of McDaniels, his relationship with players, his style of offense, 1:24:04.439 --> 1:24:08.000 Like is that the most attractive destination? 1:24:08.160 --> 1:24:10.240 Now, well, I think it depends on the player. Look 1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:12.160 I and this is what I was gonna say, Yeah, 1:24:12.280 --> 1:24:14.880 the time in Vegas, like he's not the head coach here, 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:17.960 and all the players that played from here loved them. 1:24:18.000 --> 1:24:20.280 You look at what you know, Kendrick Bourne last night 1:24:20.320 --> 1:24:24.280 reacting like that, so to me where he might make 1:24:24.280 --> 1:24:27.080 it a tough sell. And this is for any player, 1:24:27.120 --> 1:24:29.800 any coach anywhere in the league. Guys want to show up, 1:24:29.920 --> 1:24:32.479 especially when you're talking about those top free agents. Guys 1:24:32.520 --> 1:24:33.880 want to show up, and they won't have a role. 1:24:34.760 --> 1:24:38.679 If you're trying to recruit a you know, slot receiver. 1:24:40.400 --> 1:24:42.599 Josh McDaniel's gonna pull up all this film of Welker 1:24:42.640 --> 1:24:44.160 and Edelman and all these guys and say this is 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:45.599 what we're gonna have you do. And that guy's probably 1:24:45.640 --> 1:24:48.840 gonna be pretty excited. Recruiting guy like t Higgins might 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:50.880 be tougher. When's the last time Josh McDaniels had a 1:24:50.880 --> 1:24:53.280 guy like t Higgins, So maybe Devonte Adams, who, yeah, 1:24:53.320 --> 1:24:55.960 objectively is not a great fit in this offense. So 1:24:56.560 --> 1:24:59.160 I don't think like the Vegas stuff is gonna hurt 1:24:59.240 --> 1:25:02.680 him so much as what can he show players his 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:04.840 offense can do for them, And that obviously comes down 1:25:04.840 --> 1:25:05.320 to the player. 1:25:05.880 --> 1:25:10.440 Yeah, I just don't necessarily think that it's this detriment 1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:13.240 in terms of the style of the offense, because as 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:15.600 long as you have players that fit that style of 1:25:15.640 --> 1:25:18.640 the offense, we've seen how effective it can be. 1:25:18.800 --> 1:25:18.960 Right. 1:25:19.280 --> 1:25:22.680 So, Yeah, in mcdaniels's offense, you are not going to 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:25.000 get bombs away, Like You're not going to be a 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:27.200 team that's going to throw a bunch of deep passes. 1:25:27.439 --> 1:25:30.960 You're not going to get a lot of your plays. 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:34.719 Your explosives are gonna come a lot because you're hitting 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:38.400 a fifteen yard catch and run receiver down the field 1:25:38.479 --> 1:25:40.960 and he's getting to twenty plus because after the catch, 1:25:41.280 --> 1:25:43.200 you know, those are the types of plays that you're 1:25:43.200 --> 1:25:46.760 going to see a lot more from McDaniels than a 1:25:46.880 --> 1:25:50.880 downfield aerial passing attack. But if you have players that 1:25:51.000 --> 1:25:53.439 can catch and run, then what difference does it make? 1:25:53.520 --> 1:25:53.760 Right? 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:56.479 And I think that a guy like Kendrick Bourdon drives 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:58.160 in this system because he is good with the ball 1:25:58.200 --> 1:25:59.880 in his hands and he is good after the catch. 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:02.439 So as long as you build it, and this is 1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:04.880 you know, something that I didn't think that the last 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:07.680 regime did a really great job of of, you know, 1:26:07.840 --> 1:26:10.559 identifying this is the type of offense that we want 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:13.120 to run, this is the style that we want to play. 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:16.559 What are the players that fit that style of offense? 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:18.439 And I don't think that they did a great job 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:20.320 of that in the draft. I thought that you know, 1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:24.559 draft and Caden Wallace and Layden Robinson were you know, 1:26:24.600 --> 1:26:28.519 bigger power guys, heavier guys that tackle, especially with Caiden 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:32.240 Wallace that some people projected to move inside a guard 1:26:32.360 --> 1:26:36.040 to guard someday, Like that doesn't fit an outside zone scheme, right, 1:26:36.040 --> 1:26:39.240 like that, that's not an outside zone tackle. You know. 1:26:39.360 --> 1:26:42.439 Jalen Polk a guy that is you know, more of 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:46.120 a possession slot Z type of receiver. When we know 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:49.160 that they wanted to be you know, twelve personnel, heavy 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:52.760 personnel with vertical shots off of play action and things 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:55.240 like that. So how did that fit? You know, That's 1:26:55.280 --> 1:26:56.640 what you got to get back to. That's what the 1:26:56.680 --> 1:26:59.360 good teams do. They identify what they want to run, 1:26:59.600 --> 1:27:02.320 they identify the type of team they want to be schematically, 1:27:02.600 --> 1:27:04.720 and they get player fits and archetypes. 1:27:04.720 --> 1:27:07.880 For that skull belichickism, it's not about collecting talent, it's 1:27:07.880 --> 1:27:08.800 about building a team. 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:11.760 Yeah, so they got to get back to that. This 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:14.960 email is very simple. Subject line from l from Wisconsin. 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:19.680 Evan is wrong. I am wrong about putting the protections 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:23.280 on Drake May and Elle said that this will allow 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:27.080 the offensive line in the quarterback to be on the 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:29.960 same page and so that the you know, the quarterback, 1:27:30.040 --> 1:27:31.880 if he sees it differently than the center, then you 1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:35.479 have breakdowns and things like that. But like I would 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:39.320 just say to that, you know, whoever makes the line calls, 1:27:40.880 --> 1:27:43.120 he has final say so, like he had, everybody's got 1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:45.000 to see it through his eyes, right, right, So whether 1:27:45.040 --> 1:27:47.880 it's the center, it's the quarterback, like, it doesn't really matter. 1:27:48.240 --> 1:27:50.880 If the center says, you know, we're pointed this way, 1:27:51.040 --> 1:27:53.439 then you're pointed that way, right, Like that's the way, 1:27:53.479 --> 1:27:56.120 that's the play. So it's on the quarterback to see 1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:59.080 it through the center's eyes and vice versa. I just 1:27:59.160 --> 1:28:00.760 look at it and I I Remember one thing that 1:28:00.800 --> 1:28:04.240 AVP said to us that I really thought was sound 1:28:04.320 --> 1:28:08.519 reasoning for it. Just think about how much is on 1:28:08.560 --> 1:28:13.960 the quarterback on any given play, right, the understanding, his 1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:19.320 play call, the row concept, the protection, the defense, you know, 1:28:19.520 --> 1:28:23.720 the coverage, the blitz threats, the pass protection, and where 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:26.280 people threats are gonna come from if you're hot, where 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:28.400 you're going with the football? Is it one high? Is 1:28:28.400 --> 1:28:30.240 it two high? As it man? Is its zone? Like 1:28:30.280 --> 1:28:32.040 all these different things that you have to think about, 1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:34.280 And now all of a sudden, we're going to add 1:28:34.320 --> 1:28:37.640 on to the plate, setting the mic and setting the 1:28:37.680 --> 1:28:40.719 protection and checking out of plays and all this different 1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:43.400 types of stuff. For a young quarterback, that's a lot. 1:28:43.720 --> 1:28:45.559 It wasn't a lot for Brady because he was Tom 1:28:45.600 --> 1:28:47.920 freaking Brady and he could do those types of things. 1:28:48.160 --> 1:28:51.560 For younger quarterbacks, that's tough. It's a lot of responsibility. 1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:54.880 I don't think that Josh McDaniels will throw him into 1:28:54.880 --> 1:28:57.719 the defense. I'm not super worried about it. Small sea concern, 1:28:58.200 --> 1:28:59.000 but that's where I'm coming. 1:28:59.120 --> 1:29:00.920 Ideally, they get their events, but we're talking years and 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:01.960 years and years down road. 1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:06.480 Yep, exactly. All right, let's go back to the funks. Uh. 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:09.879 Jay is in Atlanta. What's up? Jay? 1:29:11.120 --> 1:29:15.240 Hey guys, Thanks, we're taking a call here. Yep, all right. 1:29:15.280 --> 1:29:18.120 I just have a just two questions about the coordinators 1:29:18.120 --> 1:29:21.759 we have, because we have Tia Williams. What's the likelihood 1:29:21.760 --> 1:29:23.719 that he targets the one like you know, maybe Jared 1:29:23.760 --> 1:29:28.799 Ivy or Kyle Knard? And for Josh, what's the likelihood 1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:32.599 he targets on one like Junkins or maybe someone who 1:29:33.240 --> 1:29:35.080 like Nick Nash. I'll take it offline. 1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:38.719 Yeah, thanks Jay. So Nick Nash is a good little 1:29:38.760 --> 1:29:41.639 segue here to some of the I haven't watched Nicknash, 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:44.080 but he's unfortunately he's going to not unfortunately Trine boll 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:45.519 is a great game, but he's going to the Shrine 1:29:45.520 --> 1:29:45.880 Bowl and. 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:48.479 They have great receivers and tight ends in trying. 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:50.120 Yeah, so he's going to the Shrine Bowl. So I'm 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:51.640 not going to see him. But we also got a 1:29:52.479 --> 1:29:56.720 question about what's the kid from Stanford Illumina. 1:29:56.320 --> 1:30:00.680 Or before we get him quick because he mentioned a 1:30:00.680 --> 1:30:02.880 couple of names there. Kyle Cannard, who I know you 1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:05.200 have watch, Yes, the pass rusher right from South Care. 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:08.519 If you're gonna do you know, tackle or something else. 1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:11.799 At the top of the draft. Kyle Canard second round. 1:30:12.160 --> 1:30:12.680 Sign me up. 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:16.120 He's a he's a speed rusher, like a like kind 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:17.320 of like an New j type. 1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:19.360 I would say, I think he's a lot more violent. 1:30:19.479 --> 1:30:22.840 Yeah, I mean, good guy, he's a good player. Yeah, 1:30:23.000 --> 1:30:25.680 I am interested in the kid from Stanford. He's going 1:30:25.720 --> 1:30:26.800 to be a mobile. 1:30:26.640 --> 1:30:29.280 He he he got Travis Hunter good last year. 1:30:29.439 --> 1:30:32.080 Yeah, he's got he's got some good things about him. Uh, 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:35.639 you know, kind of in that like Rams receiver mold right, 1:30:35.680 --> 1:30:40.519 like Cooper Cup. Oh, that's a great I can't wait 1:30:40.560 --> 1:30:43.479 to Seetrepo Rastreppo is the guy and mobile that I 1:30:43.600 --> 1:30:44.679 that I can't wait to see. 1:30:44.800 --> 1:30:46.600 Well, I'll say this on Nick Nash and look it 1:30:46.760 --> 1:30:49.360 was in the in the Mountain West. But you want 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:52.160 to talk about a volume guy. I'm trying to find 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:53.479 his targets last year. It's a lot. 1:30:53.960 --> 1:30:58.439 Yeah. Donovan Jackson is the Ohio State guy, right. Yeah, 1:30:58.479 --> 1:31:00.280 so a lot of people thought that he was gonna 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:02.360 play guard in the league, but he's held up pretty 1:31:02.400 --> 1:31:05.240 well throughout there, running to the championship in the College 1:31:05.240 --> 1:31:10.240 Football Playoff playing tackle at Ohio State. I'm not rolling 1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:12.719 it out. I don't think it's an arm line issue 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:14.960 with him. I think he's gonna have the arm line 1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:17.599 checked off. I think it's more of like a foot speed, 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:21.200 you know, recovery talent, mirroring ability, like that kind of thing. 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:23.800 It's also just like, once again, here's a guy that 1:31:23.840 --> 1:31:27.280 you're drafting to teach to play left tackle. Yeah, it's 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:28.920 not like he was a tackle who moved inside of 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:30.799 guard and moved back at He's a guardist whole career. 1:31:31.640 --> 1:31:34.479 If you're gonna take a tackle in that spot, can 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:36.880 you just take a tackle? Can you just take a 1:31:37.000 --> 1:31:39.400 left tackle who knows how to play left tackle and 1:31:39.439 --> 1:31:41.640 you don't have to start for you know, tackle one 1:31:41.680 --> 1:31:44.000 oh one in the spring and we can just get 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:48.760 going with you know, whether it's Connery Ursery, even a 1:31:48.840 --> 1:31:52.360 kid from North Carolina State, Belton Benton, whatever it is. 1:31:54.560 --> 1:31:57.599 Why why does the left tackle have to be somebody 1:31:57.640 --> 1:32:01.120 that has well he's heard or it's not really his 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:03.640 position or this, like, why can't they just draft a 1:32:03.640 --> 1:32:05.519 true left tackle. I don't understand why there's so much 1:32:05.520 --> 1:32:08.280 opposition to that. We're getting too cute with. 1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:10.640 It, like, well, there's no opposition to it for me, 1:32:10.800 --> 1:32:13.759 but I think that the reason why people are against 1:32:13.840 --> 1:32:17.920 it is because if you say, oh, we're just gonna 1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:20.360 turn this guy into a left tackle, then you can 1:32:20.439 --> 1:32:22.479 draft him later. And no one wants to just have 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:24.400 their socks for Christmas. But when we're talking about this 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:25.000 solid time, we're. 1:32:24.920 --> 1:32:27.439 Donovan Jackson's gonna go, you're not doing that. Dunovan Jackson 1:32:27.479 --> 1:32:28.960 gonna be top fifty pick because. 1:32:29.160 --> 1:32:30.720 He's still gonna go in the second round. So you 1:32:30.720 --> 1:32:34.880 can use you can use four on tech, Wanta, vegetables. 1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:38.280 And less un less because he's a first round guard. 1:32:38.320 --> 1:32:40.360 He's a really good guard. What if one of those 1:32:40.360 --> 1:32:41.800 teams there at the end the first round that needs 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:45.080 a guard drafts him as a guard, but even still 1:32:45.080 --> 1:32:46.599 he's gonna go in the second round. I think we're 1:32:46.640 --> 1:32:48.519 on the same page here. I thought we were kind 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:50.559 of coming at it like if you're gonna take a 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:54.080 tackle there, take Connorly, take Ursery, and maybe they're not 1:32:54.120 --> 1:32:55.000 there there, but like what. 1:32:55.120 --> 1:32:57.639 But this is the bottom line is is that all 1:32:57.680 --> 1:32:59.519 these names, and I'm not saying that they're not all 1:32:59.640 --> 1:33:03.639 that they're none of them are good football players. But Connorly, Ursery, 1:33:04.640 --> 1:33:07.640 Josh Simmons, you know if he falls, because that's another one. Uh, 1:33:08.080 --> 1:33:11.080 Donovan Jackson. All of these names are getting brought up 1:33:11.320 --> 1:33:13.960 because people just don't want to eat their vegetables. They 1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:16.200 don't want socks for Christmas. They don't want the Patriots 1:33:16.240 --> 1:33:18.879 taking a tackle. What they're first picking the draft. 1:33:19.040 --> 1:33:21.000 That because they want somebody they can draft in fantasy 1:33:21.000 --> 1:33:22.800 and they can buy the jersey. I get that. Yeah, 1:33:22.880 --> 1:33:24.679 but you're like, I'm okay with Connory. 1:33:25.160 --> 1:33:26.759 I'm okay with yeah. 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:29.439 Like that's if you're telling me, you know, Abdole Carter 1:33:29.520 --> 1:33:32.599 the top of the draft. Fine, but if it, don't 1:33:32.640 --> 1:33:36.040 just throw a random name out there to make it work. Right, 1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:38.559 If you're gonna take a left tackle, they've been half 1:33:38.600 --> 1:33:41.519 asking this for too long. They you need a real 1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:45.040 left tackle the day one. You know you're not gonna 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:49.040 have to work through transitioning him and teaching him the position. Yes, 1:33:49.080 --> 1:33:51.000 there's gonna be the adjustments in the NFL. I'm not 1:33:51.000 --> 1:33:53.800 saying those guys are perfect, but Donovan Jackson could be 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:57.519 a great developmental tackle. Even he could even be Josh Connery. 1:33:58.479 --> 1:34:01.639 Right, yeah, I hear you. I We're in agreement on this. 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:06.800 I understand that drafting and maybe a pass rusher is 1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:09.160 a little bit more sexy than drafting a tackle. Yeah, 1:34:09.160 --> 1:34:14.000 but I understand in theory that drafting a tackle, drafting 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:17.840 a defensive lineman like the trenches. Addressing the trenches is 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:20.680 not sexy. It's exciting they have It's not fun, but 1:34:20.720 --> 1:34:23.840 it's what they have to do. And the one thing 1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:26.920 that Rabel has hammered home since day once it is 1:34:26.920 --> 1:34:30.280 then introductory press conference, is we need to protect the 1:34:30.360 --> 1:34:32.799 quarterback and we need to affect the other team's quarterback. 1:34:32.880 --> 1:34:34.600 That's almost a direct quote from what he said at 1:34:34.600 --> 1:34:38.080 his introductory press conference. Somebody then asked him, you know, 1:34:38.160 --> 1:34:40.320 what is the one thing that you kind of look 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:42.640 at with this roster that you want to fix immediately 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:45.680 off the bat? That's the most important offensive line was 1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:49.880 his number one thing. So he sees it, and I 1:34:49.960 --> 1:34:53.200 understand that there's different ways to go about this. If 1:34:53.200 --> 1:34:57.720 this was was it twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, Yeah, 1:34:57.760 --> 1:35:00.479 the Jamar Chase Penny Sewell draft twenty one. If this 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:05.799 was that draft where you're truly picking between two elite, 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:10.240 elite prospects in Penny Stool and Jamar Chase, there's really 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:12.360 no wrong answer in a draft like that, right like, 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:14.800 it worked out for both sides. The Bengals got a 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:17.599 stud receiver to pair with Joe Burrow. The Lions got 1:35:17.640 --> 1:35:20.120 the best tackle in football. It worked out for both sides. 1:35:20.160 --> 1:35:23.680 They probably the best players at their respective positions in 1:35:23.720 --> 1:35:26.840 the entire NFL. That's very rare. That was a once 1:35:26.880 --> 1:35:30.240 in a draft, right like. That's not gonna happen more 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:33.120 times than not. So if you get into this position 1:35:33.160 --> 1:35:36.280 in the draft with the Patriots, it's not Penny Stool 1:35:36.360 --> 1:35:39.120 versus Jamar Chase. When we're talking about Kelvin Banks and 1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:41.800 Ted McMillan. Neither one of those guys are in that 1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:45.439 category as prospects. So you gotta think about it like that. 1:35:45.560 --> 1:35:49.360 You gotta recognize that it's not one of those situations. 1:35:49.400 --> 1:35:53.600 And I go back to last year with the Giants. 1:35:53.720 --> 1:35:58.559 You take Malik Neighbors, awesome rookie year, stud player, no 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:01.799 doubt about it. Everybody sits there and says, one hundred 1:36:01.800 --> 1:36:04.600 percent of this guy has a stud. Where did it 1:36:04.640 --> 1:36:05.320 get the Giants? 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:08.080 Meanwhile, Joe All, even playing out of position, had a 1:36:08.120 --> 1:36:09.760 hell of a year for the Chargers. Yeah, damn good 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:10.800 player for the Charger. 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:13.840 Really good player. All right, let's uh, there's one other 1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:17.280 email here I wanted to to get to. Oh. Here 1:36:17.320 --> 1:36:20.879 it is from about Wes Welker. So you know the emailer, 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:24.200 this is Sam from Saint Catherine's just asked, you know 1:36:24.240 --> 1:36:27.519 what makes it what makes Wes Welker any different from 1:36:27.600 --> 1:36:30.680 Troy Brown. You know, Wes Welker just got fired by 1:36:30.720 --> 1:36:33.559 the Miami Dolphins as their wide receivers coach. Is he 1:36:33.760 --> 1:36:35.920 just another Troy Brown reducts the guy that we just 1:36:36.000 --> 1:36:38.559 like because he's a former player. Here, I would say 1:36:38.600 --> 1:36:42.800 that he's pretty different from Troy Brown, mainly because he 1:36:42.840 --> 1:36:46.080 went outside the circle of trust and he went to 1:36:46.120 --> 1:36:49.679 San Francisco, he went with Mike McDaniel to Miami. He's 1:36:49.720 --> 1:36:53.519 been in different systems, he's coached in different places under 1:36:53.560 --> 1:36:58.040 different offensive minded head coaches. So I think that he's 1:36:58.080 --> 1:37:01.759 got a more well rounded sort of experience and resume. 1:37:02.320 --> 1:37:04.160 That would make me a little bit more excited. And 1:37:04.200 --> 1:37:06.599 I think he's had his groups have had some more success. Now, 1:37:06.600 --> 1:37:09.519 maybe he's had more talent. You could definitely make that argument, 1:37:09.920 --> 1:37:12.759 but I just look at his experience with the Shanahan Tree, 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:15.840 with Shanahan himself and with Mike McDaniel. You know, Trey 1:37:15.880 --> 1:37:18.040 Brown never did that. He never went outside the nest. 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:19.800 And I also think, look, I've never been in a 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:22.439 meeting room with either of them, but some guy like 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:25.120 there's no correlation between how good of a player you 1:37:25.120 --> 1:37:26.720 are and how good of a coach you are. There's 1:37:26.760 --> 1:37:29.719 some guys that were not good players that are great coaches, 1:37:30.120 --> 1:37:33.000 and there's some Honestly, sometimes the great players can't coach 1:37:33.040 --> 1:37:35.920 because there's things that come naturally to them that you know, 1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:37.720 they don't know how to teach because it comes naturally them. 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:40.200 So everybody's a different level of teacher, which is at 1:37:40.200 --> 1:37:41.720 the end of the day with this is and I've 1:37:41.760 --> 1:37:43.479 never been in a room with them, but you look 1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:45.439 at the way Wes Welker's guys have developed, you look 1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:47.720 at the lack of development they had here, and I 1:37:47.840 --> 1:37:51.120 kind of feel like maybe Wes Welker's just personality wise, 1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:53.519 whatever he's doing to get that message across, he might 1:37:53.560 --> 1:37:54.400 just be a better teacher. 1:37:54.840 --> 1:37:59.240 Yeah, yeah, And I just lost it. There's another email 1:37:59.280 --> 1:38:03.519 in here about, oh, some of the the staffers that 1:38:03.600 --> 1:38:06.360 from last year, any of those guys sticking on, you know, 1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:11.120 DeMarcus Covington Alex Van Peltissa McCartney, Brian Belichick, Mike Pellegrino. 1:38:11.840 --> 1:38:14.519 So I'll say this about Van Pelt. I don't have 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:18.320 any I don't know if he's coming there, going quite yet. 1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:21.200 There's some stuff on Twitter. I don't know if that's true. 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:26.800 But your crossing languages right, like, and I understand that. 1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:30.800 We're all we're impressed by the job that Van Pelt 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:33.000 did with Drake May and with Joe Milton. 1:38:33.040 --> 1:38:33.920 He deserves credit for it. 1:38:33.920 --> 1:38:36.360 He deserves credit for it, no doubt. If Drake May 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:39.280 goes on in five years and he's Josh Allen, we're 1:38:39.320 --> 1:38:41.840 gonna say avp did a good job as rookie year. 1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:44.519 He deserves credit for getting it started. He's Mark Jackson 1:38:44.600 --> 1:38:49.360 to Steve Kerr. Sorry, but if first of all, it's 1:38:49.439 --> 1:38:53.400 like your crossing languages, right, We're still football, but we're 1:38:53.439 --> 1:38:57.640 like talking like, you know, French and Spanish here with 1:38:57.680 --> 1:39:00.720 the offensive languages. So how does that work out? How 1:39:00.720 --> 1:39:06.040 does his terminology, his fundamentals left foot forward like all 1:39:06.080 --> 1:39:10.320 that stuff? How does that fit in Josh mcdaniels's system. 1:39:10.439 --> 1:39:13.360 The second thing, you don't hire Josh McDaniels to have 1:39:13.400 --> 1:39:17.240 somebody else run the quarterback. Josh McDaniels is coaching the quarterback. 1:39:17.479 --> 1:39:20.560 It's his show. He's head coach offense. He's going to 1:39:20.640 --> 1:39:23.639 run the quarterback. He's going to have the quarterbacks the year. 1:39:23.920 --> 1:39:26.720 He's going to be attached to Drake May's hip. And 1:39:26.760 --> 1:39:29.840 that's how it should go because he's the play caller, just 1:39:29.840 --> 1:39:32.559 like AVP was last year. You want the play caller 1:39:32.600 --> 1:39:34.639 to be the one that's running the quarterback. You don't 1:39:34.640 --> 1:39:38.320 want it to be somebody else. And as much as 1:39:38.360 --> 1:39:40.559 I give AVP a ton of credit for what he did, 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:43.519 I just think that there's no real connection there. Like 1:39:43.520 --> 1:39:46.640 you're just crossing streams. It's not gonna make sense. I 1:39:46.680 --> 1:39:49.120 don't think that that's a great way to go. Nothing 1:39:49.120 --> 1:39:51.000 against either guy, I just don't think that's a great 1:39:51.040 --> 1:39:53.240 way to go. The one name on this list that 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:56.000 I feel that I would really like to keep it, 1:39:56.080 --> 1:39:58.640 I think you agree is Pelgrino. Yep, you know. I 1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:01.200 think that he is a really good cornerbacks coach, has 1:40:01.200 --> 1:40:03.880 been a really good cornerbacks coach if they even wanted 1:40:03.920 --> 1:40:07.240 to promote him to like pass game coordinator is now popular. 1:40:07.280 --> 1:40:08.640 On the other side of the ball, you have a 1:40:08.680 --> 1:40:12.360 run game coordinator, pass game coordinator, defensive coordinator. Just like 1:40:12.400 --> 1:40:15.280 on the offensive side or even secondary coach, where you're 1:40:15.320 --> 1:40:18.439 coaching the whole room, you're coaching safeties and corners, you 1:40:18.479 --> 1:40:20.560 could do that as well. I would definitely try to 1:40:20.640 --> 1:40:21.599 keep pel Greener around. 1:40:21.600 --> 1:40:22.120 I would too. 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:25.320 Is any of those other guys you know McCarty. 1:40:24.920 --> 1:40:27.760 I mean you figure McCartney goes with Van pell Yeah, 1:40:27.760 --> 1:40:30.000 you know Covington, what's his role. He's not gonna take 1:40:30.000 --> 1:40:34.480 it the motion, so yeah, probably not. It's just just 1:40:34.479 --> 1:40:36.800 just Pelgrian and Brian Belichick. If he's around two, I 1:40:36.840 --> 1:40:38.840 think he's done a good job. I'd keep him. Yeah, 1:40:38.840 --> 1:40:39.559 okay if you can. 1:40:39.800 --> 1:40:41.960 Safety room had a tough time last year, but a 1:40:42.000 --> 1:40:46.080 lot of that was decimated by injuries, injuries, off field stuff, 1:40:46.280 --> 1:40:48.559 like not a ton of it was was necessarily in 1:40:48.640 --> 1:40:55.599 his control. All right, Jesse is in the car. What's up, Jesse? Jesse? 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:56.760 What's up? 1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:00.559 Going once? All right? Call us back, get you back 1:41:01.320 --> 1:41:06.840 on there Herejzeus is in Denver? What's up? Hezeus? 1:41:07.080 --> 1:41:07.240 Man. 1:41:07.920 --> 1:41:10.200 I know it's gonna sound like a dumb question, but 1:41:10.280 --> 1:41:16.080 no dumb questions. Josh McDaniels, like totally hate Drake Main 1:41:16.760 --> 1:41:19.080 and switch his quarterback because he does have a track 1:41:19.160 --> 1:41:20.439 record of doing that. 1:41:21.800 --> 1:41:26.759 Zero point zero, I would ask, and there's no dumb questions. 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:28.840 And I don't mean to like say that like it 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:32.360 was a dumb question, but zero point zero, Drake May 1:41:32.400 --> 1:41:35.479 is the quarterback here. He's the future of the franchise here. 1:41:36.000 --> 1:41:38.880 Josh McDaniels, I'm sure is giddy about working with Drake 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:41.280 kay Uh And I would be if I was. If 1:41:41.280 --> 1:41:44.160 I was him, I mean that that guy's a ball 1:41:44.200 --> 1:41:46.519 of clay. Like that's a lot of fun. Like I 1:41:46.560 --> 1:41:49.839 said earlier with the Cheesecake Factory analogy, you can call anything. 1:41:49.960 --> 1:41:52.840 You can call RPO, you can call quarterback run, you 1:41:52.840 --> 1:41:54.960 can move the pocket, you can drop back pass, you 1:41:54.960 --> 1:41:57.080 can play action pass, you can gun action like, you 1:41:57.080 --> 1:41:59.240 can literally do anything. You can do anything at your 1:41:59.280 --> 1:42:02.720 disposal with Dre May. That's gotta be music to Josh 1:42:02.800 --> 1:42:06.040 mcdaniels's ears. I think that would be really exciting. We 1:42:06.080 --> 1:42:09.360 had another email from a long long time listener Alex 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:15.000 because this person I'm trying to find it has been 1:42:15.040 --> 1:42:17.760 listening for so long that he remembers something that I 1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:22.479 said on a Clintons podcast in twenty twenty two, twenty 1:42:22.520 --> 1:42:27.040 twenty about the Cam Newton offense. So we're going back aways, 1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:29.200 he said, and that he's been listening for a long 1:42:29.240 --> 1:42:32.439 time to us. So he said, I remember listening to 1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:35.439 Evan back in twenty twenty saying that the McDaniels offense 1:42:35.680 --> 1:42:38.000 with Cam seemed a little disjointed, like he tried to 1:42:38.040 --> 1:42:41.280 attach his traditional drop back passing game. I'll au Brady 1:42:41.320 --> 1:42:44.439 to specialized quarterback run package. Was that an issue with 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:48.160 McDaniels or because of you know, Cam's limitations, COVID all 1:42:48.200 --> 1:42:50.400 that kind of stuff. It's a really good question, Andrew 1:42:50.439 --> 1:42:52.880 from Lincoln, who I know you're an avid listener. We 1:42:52.920 --> 1:42:56.320 really do appreciate that because twenty twenty you're going. 1:42:56.200 --> 1:42:58.799 Back way back. In fact, you were listening that closely 1:42:58.880 --> 1:43:00.960 during that season with everything that was going on. 1:43:01.120 --> 1:43:04.200 Yeah, awesome, I love it. In terms of the question, 1:43:04.280 --> 1:43:07.080 it's a good question, and there is an element of 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:11.640 that that you're basically taking this option package that exists, 1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:14.080 you know, because of the type of quarterback that you have, 1:43:14.560 --> 1:43:16.960 and now you're going to try to marry it and 1:43:17.080 --> 1:43:22.040 pair it with a more traditional approach of even under 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:24.840 center or drop back pass or whatever the case may be. 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:30.320 I would at least be cautiously optimistic at the time 1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:33.640 right now that it will work because Drake made is 1:43:33.680 --> 1:43:36.360 such a better passer than Cam Newton was in twenty twenty, 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:38.320 and I think he's going to be fully capable and 1:43:38.400 --> 1:43:42.280 operational running a traditional drop back passing game like Josh 1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:45.920 McDaniel's runs. So I'm a little bit more optimistic because 1:43:45.920 --> 1:43:49.519 of that. But if it does, the one thing that 1:43:49.560 --> 1:43:52.920 you could see concerned about, I suppose, is that they 1:43:53.000 --> 1:43:55.000 kind of get stuck in between, right do they want 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:58.839 to be this Cliff Kingsbury, Jid and Daniels option offense 1:43:59.200 --> 1:44:01.720 or do they want to be the Brady offense? And 1:44:01.760 --> 1:44:03.439 you gotta get content in between a little. 1:44:03.479 --> 1:44:05.320 The one other thing I'd say to remember about the 1:44:05.320 --> 1:44:07.880 twenty twenty season being disjointed, not only did they not 1:44:07.920 --> 1:44:11.240 have a spring, Cam Newton didn't sign here until July eight, Yeah, 1:44:11.840 --> 1:44:14.040 so they didn't have a ton of time to put 1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:14.679 stuff together. 1:44:14.960 --> 1:44:15.200 Yeah. 1:44:15.600 --> 1:44:20.599 I just that whole thing felt like it was kind 1:44:20.600 --> 1:44:22.960 of thrown together the last minute because it was essentially 1:44:23.000 --> 1:44:25.000 what it was. So, you know, we referenced to Cam 1:44:25.040 --> 1:44:26.639 Newton offense, but the idea is now you have more 1:44:26.640 --> 1:44:28.439 time that's gonna be put into it. There was gonna 1:44:28.439 --> 1:44:29.640 have more time to work on it. They didn't have 1:44:29.680 --> 1:44:32.400 a spring that year. They abbreviated training camp because of COVID. 1:44:33.320 --> 1:44:35.040 We're just kind of using that as a reference point 1:44:35.080 --> 1:44:36.680 more than like, this is what they should do. 1:44:37.080 --> 1:44:40.000 It's fun. It's an interesting way to look at it 1:44:40.120 --> 1:44:43.400 in terms of combining sort of two very different philosophies 1:44:44.120 --> 1:44:47.519 into one. And I think what is so intriguing about 1:44:47.600 --> 1:44:51.840 it is that because McDaniels is a really good game 1:44:51.880 --> 1:44:55.160 planner and very versatile and very you know, fluid in 1:44:55.240 --> 1:44:58.200 terms of his approach, like it doesn't have to always 1:44:58.200 --> 1:44:59.840 be every single week, we're gonna run a bunch of 1:44:59.840 --> 1:45:02.679 our right, like, you know, some weeks, maybe they're playing 1:45:02.720 --> 1:45:04.519 a team that they just feel like they have an 1:45:04.520 --> 1:45:06.680 advantage there that they can do that sort of thing, 1:45:06.680 --> 1:45:08.880 and then they can also play the other way if 1:45:08.880 --> 1:45:11.720 they have to. Ultimately, at the end of the day, 1:45:11.800 --> 1:45:15.599 with any offense who drop backs past the best wins 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:18.760 the Super Bowl every single year. It's just you know, 1:45:18.800 --> 1:45:21.240 we go back. We always argue about the forty nine 1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:22.920 Ers Super Bowl. A couple of years ago at Jimmy 1:45:22.960 --> 1:45:25.800 Garoppolo against the Chiefs. What happened. They got into the 1:45:25.840 --> 1:45:28.320 fourth quarter. One team could drop back pass at a 1:45:28.400 --> 1:45:30.040 high level. The other team couldn't. 1:45:30.120 --> 1:45:31.519 The team was still drop back passing. 1:45:31.680 --> 1:45:34.360 Yea, And that decided the Super Bowl. It decides the 1:45:34.400 --> 1:45:37.360 Super Bowl every single year when all the bells and 1:45:37.400 --> 1:45:41.680 whistles are gone, when the scheme and the play actions 1:45:41.760 --> 1:45:43.880 and the motions and all that kind of stuff. When 1:45:43.920 --> 1:45:47.800 all that fades away and it's the fourth quarter, you 1:45:48.080 --> 1:45:51.599 four minutes to go and you're down three points, can 1:45:51.720 --> 1:45:53.760 you matriculate down the field? 1:45:53.920 --> 1:45:53.960 Like? 1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:57.200 Can you find that? And that That's where the Patriots 1:45:57.240 --> 1:45:59.280 need to get to. That's why, as much as I 1:45:59.439 --> 1:46:01.320 didn't mean to to totally scoff at you with your 1:46:01.400 --> 1:46:04.280 Joe Milton package, like, that's why that's so important to 1:46:04.400 --> 1:46:08.120 me because if you just look across the board, you know, 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:12.240 passer rating, differential drop BACKDPA like all those types of things, 1:46:12.520 --> 1:46:14.160 the teams that are at the top of those lists 1:46:14.160 --> 1:46:16.840 every single year, the teams that win. It's really that's 1:46:16.880 --> 1:46:20.120 the league. So I'm excited to see what McDaniels does 1:46:20.160 --> 1:46:21.720 with Drake may in that respect, because I think that 1:46:21.760 --> 1:46:24.760 he's really good, those types of things. Before we wrap 1:46:24.800 --> 1:46:27.320 it up, I do want to talk a little bit 1:46:27.320 --> 1:46:29.560 about next week going to the Senior Bowl. We do 1:46:29.680 --> 1:46:32.760 have a little bit of AFC East breaking news that 1:46:32.840 --> 1:46:36.000 I wanted to touch on to. So just now coming 1:46:36.080 --> 1:46:39.920 across from Adam Schefter and Ian Rapaport, Aaron Glenn has 1:46:39.960 --> 1:46:42.040 been named the head coach of the New York Jets. 1:46:42.080 --> 1:46:42.200 OK. 1:46:42.520 --> 1:46:44.200 So he is going to be the Jets head coach. 1:46:44.280 --> 1:46:48.479 So we now have the AFC East carousel is over. 1:46:48.880 --> 1:46:52.599 The Jets hire Aaron Glenn, the Patriots hire Mike Rabel. Obviously, 1:46:52.720 --> 1:46:55.320 McDaniel and Sean McDermott are still in their respective homes 1:46:55.360 --> 1:46:58.200 in Miami and Buffalo. So just a quick reaction on 1:46:58.560 --> 1:47:00.040 Aaron Glenn in the division. 1:47:01.880 --> 1:47:03.519 He had a hell of a year. It was one 1:47:03.600 --> 1:47:06.840 year he'd a hell of a year. Is he that 1:47:07.080 --> 1:47:11.240 different than Robert Sala Philosophically? I still think the Jets 1:47:11.360 --> 1:47:13.240 kind of stepped in it firing solid. He was not 1:47:13.320 --> 1:47:17.760 the issue. But we'll see, what do We got three 1:47:17.880 --> 1:47:21.240 defensive coaches in the division now, and you know, the 1:47:21.320 --> 1:47:23.599 one offensive coach should probably be on his way out soon. 1:47:24.320 --> 1:47:26.839 It's interesting, nice, it's interesting. 1:47:26.880 --> 1:47:29.360 Should he not be. I mean, I'm sorry. The team 1:47:29.439 --> 1:47:32.240 can't beat they don't beat good teams, and that's not 1:47:32.479 --> 1:47:36.320 older like statistically, look at their record against teams over 1:47:36.400 --> 1:47:38.800 five hundred. I don't see how you stick with him 1:47:38.800 --> 1:47:41.200 that much longer. It's organizational malpractice. 1:47:41.479 --> 1:47:46.960 So it's interesting because the Jets, usually I mentioned at 1:47:46.960 --> 1:47:49.479 the top of the show, usually flop, right, you go 1:47:49.600 --> 1:47:51.720 from a defensive guy to an offensive guy, or a 1:47:51.760 --> 1:47:54.200 culture guy to a hard ass or whatever the case may. 1:47:54.320 --> 1:47:56.840 I guess they did go non former player to former player, but. 1:47:57.120 --> 1:48:00.479 The Jets literally just hired the same guy out. They 1:48:00.560 --> 1:48:03.839 run a different, much different scheme. Aaron Glenn in Detroit 1:48:04.080 --> 1:48:06.640 is a man blitzer, Like he comes after quarterbacks with 1:48:06.720 --> 1:48:08.719 the blitz. He plays man to man coverage. 1:48:08.920 --> 1:48:11.200 In terms of that, you could not be more pressures 1:48:11.280 --> 1:48:12.320 on for Sauce Gardner. 1:48:12.520 --> 1:48:14.600 You cannot be more polar opposite in terms of that. 1:48:14.960 --> 1:48:16.680 But what I think is funny about it is is 1:48:16.760 --> 1:48:19.680 that there's zero point zero percent of a chance that 1:48:19.720 --> 1:48:22.600 Woody Johnson has any idea what I'm talking about right, Like, 1:48:22.680 --> 1:48:26.000 there's there's no way that Woody Johnson is hiring a 1:48:26.120 --> 1:48:29.640 coach and being like so what's your scheme, what's your philosophy? 1:48:29.720 --> 1:48:33.720 He looks on madd but no way. So that guy 1:48:33.840 --> 1:48:36.599 has no clue. So basically what we're we're getting at 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:39.439 here is that once again the Jets are hiring a 1:48:40.040 --> 1:48:43.240 culture building, defensive coach, which there's what they've done for 1:48:43.320 --> 1:48:48.080 one hundred years, like Rex, Ryan, Robert Sala like, go 1:48:48.320 --> 1:48:49.400 right on down the line, heavy. 1:48:49.560 --> 1:48:52.000 It was the culture builder, Eric Mangini, man Genie like. 1:48:52.000 --> 1:48:56.080 Who who was in between Rex and Sala because obviously 1:48:56.120 --> 1:48:57.240 there was somebody. 1:48:57.080 --> 1:48:59.679 No, oh no, that was different. They tried an offensive 1:48:59.720 --> 1:49:04.040 coach and they hired Adam Gase, which might be the 1:49:04.120 --> 1:49:05.040 worst off for all. 1:49:05.120 --> 1:49:08.479 I maybe that's what's squared them off from the offensive guys. 1:49:08.640 --> 1:49:10.760 You know what, Adam, I would not blame them for that, 1:49:11.120 --> 1:49:12.840 for how bad of a coach he was. Do you 1:49:12.880 --> 1:49:14.720 think there's a chance offensive coaches didn't want to go 1:49:14.760 --> 1:49:16.160 there because they didn't want to work with Rogers. 1:49:16.479 --> 1:49:19.519 It's possible. I just like I said, you usually see 1:49:19.560 --> 1:49:23.920 teams flip flop philosophy, and I'm surprised. I'm surprised that 1:49:24.040 --> 1:49:27.439 the Jets looked at their situation and said, you know what, 1:49:27.560 --> 1:49:29.400 we need a defensive coordinator. 1:49:29.439 --> 1:49:32.880 Also, what is now five coaches in the NFL or 1:49:32.960 --> 1:49:39.439 coaching teams they played for Rabel, Glenn, Campbell, Ryan's and 1:49:39.439 --> 1:49:40.840 there's one more. Who am I missing. 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:42.680 There is? 1:49:43.120 --> 1:49:44.000 I think, oh Harbaugh? 1:49:44.120 --> 1:49:48.839 Harbor so quickly on the Jets they went from. 1:49:50.640 --> 1:49:52.800 Start at Belichick, start at Belichick and go from there. 1:49:53.040 --> 1:49:54.320 Let's do the last twenty five years. 1:49:54.439 --> 1:49:59.360 So they went from parcels up defensive guy to Belichick 1:49:59.439 --> 1:50:03.160 for like a week, Belichick for a week. Is this 1:50:03.360 --> 1:50:07.719 al grow? Yeah? So Algro coach one season Herm Edwards, 1:50:08.040 --> 1:50:12.439 who I believe is offensive guy, right, I wanted to say, 1:50:13.040 --> 1:50:16.280 uh no, Herm Edwards coach defensive backs and then was 1:50:16.320 --> 1:50:17.160 a defensive Yeah. 1:50:17.760 --> 1:50:19.160 Guys like when I started watching football. 1:50:20.160 --> 1:50:23.720 Yeah, No, Herm Edwards was a defensive guy. Eric Man 1:50:23.800 --> 1:50:27.519 genius defensive guy. Of course Notorious was the defensive guy 1:50:27.520 --> 1:50:32.200 by the way too, Rex Ryan defensive Todd Bowles defensive 1:50:32.320 --> 1:50:34.880 forgot they had Todd Bowles, two years of Adam Gase, 1:50:37.240 --> 1:50:41.400 Robert Sala and now Aaron Glenn. So really from for 1:50:41.680 --> 1:50:45.479 our like football watching lifetime, which I I start with 1:50:45.640 --> 1:50:47.639 like the late nineties, I think both in the same 1:50:47.720 --> 1:50:52.320 category with Bill Parcells with the Jets our football lifetime. 1:50:52.640 --> 1:50:55.600 The Jets have had a defensive minded head coach for 1:50:55.720 --> 1:50:57.360 all but two seasons. 1:50:57.200 --> 1:50:59.559 And you could argue those two seasons that offensive coach 1:50:59.600 --> 1:51:00.840 didn't really no offense either. 1:51:01.520 --> 1:51:04.200 So to say that they have a type as an understatement, 1:51:04.400 --> 1:51:07.080 they certainly have a type. And that's interesting. 1:51:07.200 --> 1:51:09.639 I Aaron Peek Carroll coached the Jets. 1:51:09.960 --> 1:51:13.679 Uh, yeah, he did coach the Jets for a year. Yeah. 1:51:14.160 --> 1:51:16.120 They AARONN. 1:51:17.200 --> 1:51:17.519 Holt. 1:51:17.800 --> 1:51:20.240 I'm not like crazy about Aaron Glenn. I'm not gonna lie. 1:51:20.360 --> 1:51:23.519 I understand that he has some some good traits as 1:51:23.560 --> 1:51:26.160 like a culture builder, intense guy, like gets good players 1:51:26.200 --> 1:51:29.160 to play for him. All like that game plan against 1:51:29.160 --> 1:51:34.720 the Commanders when anybody Paul, let's blitz him again, let's 1:51:34.720 --> 1:51:37.320 play Manton mannon. We'll blitz Jaden Daniels another time. Like, 1:51:37.400 --> 1:51:40.120 come on, like, you gotta do something different. Even Brady 1:51:40.240 --> 1:51:43.080 of all people called it out at halftime, mister like, 1:51:43.320 --> 1:51:46.280 I don't say anything to ruffle anybody's feathers. Yeah said 1:51:46.320 --> 1:51:49.280 at halftime, maybe mix in some zone. Aaron Glenn never did. 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:53.160 Look, I think there's some upside with Aaron Glenn just 1:51:53.240 --> 1:51:56.680 in general as a coach that's a terrible fit for 1:51:56.840 --> 1:51:59.760 him and for the team. It's a bad fit and 1:52:00.160 --> 1:52:03.160 it's unfortunate for him because you only get so many chances, 1:52:03.200 --> 1:52:04.400 especially for your defensive coach. 1:52:04.560 --> 1:52:06.479 Yeah, we'll see what it does with Aaron Rodgers and 1:52:06.680 --> 1:52:09.000 that whole situation. Like, if Aaron Rodgers is gonna be back, 1:52:09.520 --> 1:52:12.559 if the Jets are now quarterback team, who he hires 1:52:12.600 --> 1:52:15.760 his offensive coordinator? I'm sure he has something to be right. Well, 1:52:15.760 --> 1:52:17.960 I think Instan's are going to replace Ben Johnson, so 1:52:18.080 --> 1:52:20.760 I think that he's already earmarked by Dan Campbell as 1:52:20.800 --> 1:52:23.519 their replacement. So maybe it's like a Mark Brunell or 1:52:23.600 --> 1:52:27.920 someone else from that that tree. We'll see, But it's 1:52:28.360 --> 1:52:31.519 it's an interesting hire. It's so Jets, like, is this 1:52:31.640 --> 1:52:33.320 any different than Todd Bowles or Roberts. 1:52:33.600 --> 1:52:35.840 It's it's very Jets. Well he played, It's the one 1:52:35.880 --> 1:52:38.519 difference is he played? Yeah, that's that's what you're banking on. 1:52:38.640 --> 1:52:41.080 I guess, all right, Jets real quick on that. Would 1:52:41.120 --> 1:52:43.360 you think of Liam Cohen turning down the Jags? Good 1:52:43.400 --> 1:52:43.680 for him? 1:52:44.080 --> 1:52:46.120 I thought it was good for him. I don't think 1:52:46.160 --> 1:52:49.080 it's a horrible situation necessarily because you do have Trevor 1:52:49.120 --> 1:52:51.240 and you do have some talent on that roster, but 1:52:51.320 --> 1:52:53.320 I just don't think he's ready. And I think that 1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:56.839 there should, This should be more normal and more accepted 1:52:57.720 --> 1:53:00.240 that Ben Johnson did it now it went the other 1:53:00.240 --> 1:53:02.320 way for Bobby Slowick. He did and it blew up 1:53:02.320 --> 1:53:06.439 in his face. But you look at Liam Cohen. He's 1:53:06.560 --> 1:53:09.599 bounced around from college to pro's college, to pro's college 1:53:09.640 --> 1:53:13.680 to pros. He needs some experience at the NFL. He 1:53:13.760 --> 1:53:17.639 needs to not just coordinating, but yeah, leading a room, 1:53:17.800 --> 1:53:22.040 leading a building, understanding head coach responsibilities. Good for him, 1:53:22.080 --> 1:53:24.280 It will come for him eventually, just because he's such 1:53:24.280 --> 1:53:26.759 a great offensive mind, like he'll figure it out eventually. 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:28.640 I'm with you. The league's gotten so far ahead in 1:53:28.720 --> 1:53:31.080 the offense, especially the offensid of the hiring process. You'll 1:53:31.080 --> 1:53:33.759 see quarterbacks coaches interviewing for head coaching jobs and stuff 1:53:33.800 --> 1:53:36.120 like that. It needs to slow down for the betterman 1:53:36.160 --> 1:53:37.840 of the league, for the betterment of these coaches. The 1:53:38.280 --> 1:53:40.200 reason the league is a coaching problem right now, and 1:53:40.280 --> 1:53:42.160 that's part of it. I didn't think it would be 1:53:42.240 --> 1:53:44.200 the coaches taking the lead and slowing it down. I 1:53:44.240 --> 1:53:45.599 thought it would be the lead. But like you said, 1:53:45.640 --> 1:53:48.360 Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowick, now Liam Cohen, good for them 1:53:48.400 --> 1:53:49.760 for waiting for the right opportunity. 1:53:49.960 --> 1:53:51.800 I could be totally wrong about Ben Johnson, you know, 1:53:51.840 --> 1:53:54.360 he's my guy. I could be totally wrong. He could 1:53:54.400 --> 1:53:57.920 stink in Chicago, Okay, but I give him a lot 1:53:57.960 --> 1:54:02.240 of credit for holding his wire waiting, and my guess, 1:54:02.360 --> 1:54:05.320 my gut says that it's going to pay huge dividends 1:54:05.360 --> 1:54:07.400 for him. I think he's going to be a much 1:54:07.520 --> 1:54:09.519 much better HEADCA It can't hurt than it would have 1:54:09.560 --> 1:54:11.599 been two years ago because he waited. 1:54:11.680 --> 1:54:12.479 Yeah, it can't hurt. 1:54:12.680 --> 1:54:15.519 Yeah, it's always good. Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff? 1:54:16.840 --> 1:54:17.400 Hey, what's going on? 1:54:17.520 --> 1:54:18.040 Guys? Hey? 1:54:19.280 --> 1:54:22.280 Hey, so, uh, it's been busy the last few weeks, 1:54:22.320 --> 1:54:24.360 so I'm not able to call in, but I wanted 1:54:24.360 --> 1:54:27.080 to give you an update on the Manhattan Project. 1:54:27.360 --> 1:54:27.599 Nice. 1:54:27.800 --> 1:54:33.600 Yeah, we won. Boy, let's go all right, let's go. 1:54:35.200 --> 1:54:35.520 To win. 1:54:37.960 --> 1:54:38.800 That's literally all. 1:54:38.720 --> 1:54:44.320 I have, you know, fantasy the only Fantasy football update. 1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:47.240 Can it be the Manhattan Project after Week eighteen? Like 1:54:47.480 --> 1:54:48.440 it's out of the bag. 1:54:48.400 --> 1:54:51.560 Now, right, I Mean it's like nickname, I know, but 1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:55.200 you know, yeah, everybody knows, all right. 1:54:55.400 --> 1:54:57.800 I wanted to wrap it with a little senior bolltalk. 1:54:57.920 --> 1:55:00.920 So I'm going to Mobile next week for the Senior Bowl. 1:55:01.160 --> 1:55:05.320 I'm excited. Obviously the prospects will be there. I'm also interested, 1:55:05.400 --> 1:55:07.760 and I'll definitely report back on the show next week. 1:55:08.200 --> 1:55:10.000 Who from the Patriots is gonna be there. I think 1:55:10.040 --> 1:55:11.720 the head coach is gonna be there. We'll see if 1:55:11.760 --> 1:55:14.440 the coordinators are with him. It'd be interesting. 1:55:14.520 --> 1:55:16.000 You know, McDaniels used to go. 1:55:17.960 --> 1:55:20.160 I think he did towards the end when the Bill 1:55:20.240 --> 1:55:22.200 was supposed to be opening his world to him, remember 1:55:22.360 --> 1:55:25.000 that whole period of time. I think he did towards 1:55:25.040 --> 1:55:28.800 the end. As a defensive minded guy in Vrabel, you 1:55:28.800 --> 1:55:32.400 would think he would want that offensive coordinator with him 1:55:32.520 --> 1:55:35.240 to kind of give some input. You know, last year 1:55:36.000 --> 1:55:38.760 AVP and Ben McAdoo and those guys all went to 1:55:38.880 --> 1:55:41.400 Pro Day's and stuff like that to kind of be 1:55:41.520 --> 1:55:44.840 that offensive, you know, focus on that side when they 1:55:44.880 --> 1:55:47.360 were watching the quarterbacks. So I wouldn't be surprised if 1:55:47.440 --> 1:55:52.040 McDaniel's there. I'm sure Ryan Cowden will be there, Stretch 1:55:52.080 --> 1:55:54.440 will definitely be there. All the guys will be there. 1:55:54.480 --> 1:55:57.520 So that'd be cool from that perspective, but also just 1:55:57.560 --> 1:56:01.360 from a prospect perspective, really good again by Jim Nagy, 1:56:01.400 --> 1:56:03.640 you know, does a great job putting together the Senior 1:56:03.680 --> 1:56:07.200 Bowl roster. And what's great about it is is that 1:56:07.640 --> 1:56:09.560 we all know the guys at the top of the draft, 1:56:09.640 --> 1:56:13.320 right we all know Abdul Carter, Kelvin Banks, Will Campbell, 1:56:13.400 --> 1:56:17.040 Ted McMillan, Mason Graham, we all know those names, Travis Hunter. 1:56:17.920 --> 1:56:22.880 The Senior Bowl roster this year is the tackles and 1:56:23.000 --> 1:56:26.200 the receivers are like all that second and third tier 1:56:26.440 --> 1:56:28.840 right now, are going to be going from let's say 1:56:28.920 --> 1:56:31.880 pick twenty five to pick fifty five, right that are 1:56:31.960 --> 1:56:35.120 right in that sweet spot for the Patriots at thirty eight. 1:56:35.280 --> 1:56:38.360 So we'll really be able to get into and you know, 1:56:38.600 --> 1:56:42.120 kind of splice together where I feel and you feel, 1:56:42.480 --> 1:56:46.959 you know, guys like Restrepo and the kid from Stanford, 1:56:47.000 --> 1:56:49.680 the receiver from Stanford. All the tackles are going to 1:56:49.720 --> 1:56:51.840 be there that are going to be in that range 1:56:52.120 --> 1:56:54.800 of the draft as well. So I'm really looking forward 1:56:54.880 --> 1:56:57.440 to being able to kind of start to stack that 1:56:57.640 --> 1:56:59.840 part of the board because I've already done some homework 1:56:59.880 --> 1:57:01.800 on the top of the draft. Started doing that in 1:57:01.920 --> 1:57:05.800 like November. But I don't have as much knowledge about 1:57:06.320 --> 1:57:09.080 those Day two guys, like the prime Day two guys 1:57:09.440 --> 1:57:12.360 last year. You know, Lad McConkey was there and he 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:14.640 was a stud at Mobile and he's a stud for 1:57:14.720 --> 1:57:17.000 the Chargers, Right, So you start to find some of 1:57:17.080 --> 1:57:19.880 those guys. Is I'm sure you're writing up some sort 1:57:19.920 --> 1:57:22.040 of a preview at some point on your end for 1:57:22.120 --> 1:57:25.000 the Senior Bowl for Shrine all that. Is there anybody 1:57:25.520 --> 1:57:27.600 that thing you want to plug or anybody that you're 1:57:27.640 --> 1:57:27.920 looking at. 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:29.760 Yeah, I'll have beginning of next week on honey, if 1:57:29.760 --> 1:57:31.440 I was sports sub dot comments, what is it practice 1:57:31.480 --> 1:57:35.120 or Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? Right, Yes, okay, so I'll have 1:57:35.240 --> 1:57:38.920 something up on Monday or Tuesday morning. But yeah, wide 1:57:38.960 --> 1:57:41.520 receivers and tackles. I think that's the big focus. I 1:57:41.600 --> 1:57:43.360 don't think a ton of the top edge rushers or 1:57:43.440 --> 1:57:45.360 that even that second tier edg rushers are going. 1:57:45.440 --> 1:57:47.960 So yeah, yeah, I don't know how many of those guys. 1:57:48.040 --> 1:57:49.880 And you always get there and like a few guys 1:57:50.000 --> 1:57:53.880 like decide not to participate and only do like you know, 1:57:54.040 --> 1:57:57.280 interviews and stuff like that with teams but I just 1:57:57.400 --> 1:58:00.160 know that there's a lot of people early date two 1:58:00.280 --> 1:58:03.440 prospects that are going to be there in Mobile next week. 1:58:03.520 --> 1:58:05.320 So we'll do a show next week. We've got to 1:58:05.400 --> 1:58:08.720 hammer down a time, probably sometime in the later afternoon, 1:58:08.840 --> 1:58:11.760 just because we'll have morning practices and things like that 1:58:12.920 --> 1:58:15.480 on Wednesday, but it'll probably be closer to a later 1:58:15.600 --> 1:58:19.680 afternoon start than our normal noon start, and you'll be 1:58:19.760 --> 1:58:22.400 here to host it here from the mother Ship, and 1:58:23.080 --> 1:58:25.360 we'll get into a Senior Bowl and Mobile. It'll be 1:58:25.400 --> 1:58:27.960 fun because you know, we've talked a lot about coaches, 1:58:28.240 --> 1:58:31.440 We've talked a lot about hiring, you know, coordinators and 1:58:31.440 --> 1:58:33.360 all that kind of stuff. So now it kind of 1:58:33.400 --> 1:58:36.280 feels like that's behind us and we'll really start to 1:58:36.320 --> 1:58:38.880 get into the off season and the personnel side of 1:58:38.920 --> 1:58:41.480 things and the players. So we'll be back next week 1:58:41.800 --> 1:58:44.040 for that show. We'll be exciting, and then the following 1:58:44.120 --> 1:58:46.640 week we'll I'm sure talk a lot more about it 1:58:46.840 --> 1:58:49.680 when we're both together again. But until the end, signing 1:58:49.720 --> 1:58:52.120 off for Alex Bart, I'm Evan Lazarre. Thanks for watching, 1:58:52.200 --> 1:58:54.720 thanks for listening, and we'll see you guys next week. 1:58:56.120 --> 1:58:57.800 Thank you for downloading this podcast. 1:58:58.120 --> 1:59:01.360 Subscribe on Apple, Google Play, and everywhere else you listen. 1:59:01.800 --> 1:59:03.840 Like the show, please rate and review us. 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:06.640 Listener comments and ratings help keep us high on the 1:59:06.720 --> 1:59:10.000 podcast rankings so new listeners can find us. Be sure 1:59:10.040 --> 1:59:14.040 to check Patriots dot com for more news and more podcasts.