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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars No, I know not.

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Speaker 1: The people on the internet think he doesn't understand it.

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Speaker 2: And those people fell into like a little coach speaking

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Speaker 2: it's not that.

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Speaker 1: Big right, Well, those people claim to know football, but

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Speaker 1: their nose is too deep in Microsoft exel. My point being,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, there.

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Speaker 2: When you sit there and you say these things, it's

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Speaker 2: just the self aware you know exactly what I'm I

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Speaker 2: know you what you're talking about. But you're saying it

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Speaker 2: like somebody that is that like not use Microsoft cell

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Speaker 2: what like you're saying it like you're Dan Campbell, Like

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Speaker 2: you have to realize there doesn't use.

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Speaker 1: Microsoft e cell. I think I can talk about not

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Speaker 1: using microsoftic cell. I think that's.

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Speaker 2: Perfectly Fairka It's it's so true, like you say these

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Speaker 2: things like you had like a ten year NFL career

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Speaker 2: and we we gotta we gotta be tough and we

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Speaker 2: gotta it's not a toughness, we gotta we gotta play

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Speaker 2: hard nosed football. Well, you're gonna get it. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: get all back, you're gonna get your downhill run scheme.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be coming off the ball. We're gonna be

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Speaker 2: hitting people again on both sides of the ball. Really,

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Speaker 2: because both these guys are are are into that sort

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Speaker 2: of thing. You know, you're gonna get this game's.

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Speaker 1: Being played at a high level and coach at a

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Speaker 1: high level for a number of years without having to

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Speaker 1: rely on all these spreadsheets and formulas and things like that.

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Speaker 1: And that's just my point is that you don't need

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Speaker 1: that to be successful. I texted you this yesterday. You

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Speaker 1: never responded. Did you see they had the Microsoft Excel

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Speaker 1: National Championship.

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Speaker 2: I know you're trolling.

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Speaker 1: I would think that would be where you want them

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Speaker 1: to go to find coaches.

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Speaker 2: No, not coaches. Analysts maybe you know in the front office, sure,

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Speaker 2: but not coaches.

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Speaker 1: That's that that that's your that's your football ops department

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Speaker 1: right there. Just go get the twelve people that we're

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Speaker 1: in the EXEL National Championship.

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Speaker 2: Listen. I what I liked so much about Vrabel's answer

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Speaker 2: like so much about his answers to all this stuff

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Speaker 2: is that he's open minded about the world of analytics. No,

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Speaker 2: it's it's but he's not good. But he's not married

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Speaker 2: he understands that it's applicable and that it has a place.

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Speaker 1: But has a place a place. It shouldn't be the

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Speaker 2: I've I've always said that, But it's as well, like

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Speaker 2: I I think people could I come across as somebody

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Speaker 2: he wants to draft based off the spreadsheet. That's not

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Speaker 2: that's not my thing. That's not what I'm saying. All

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Speaker 2: I am saying is is like in any walk of life,

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Speaker 2: like more information is good, Like I it's it's blows

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Speaker 2: off to being more informed. Like if you were a

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Speaker 2: hedge fund manager on Wall Street, would you not want

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Speaker 2: to make sure that you're uh, you know, completely informed

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Speaker 2: about an investment? Right? Like you wouldn't go into an

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Speaker 2: and that's all I'm asking out of the page.

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Speaker 1: Sure, but I think when you're talking about sports specifically,

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Speaker 1: there's a human element there, maybe isn't an investing and

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Speaker 1: I think the numbers try to wash that out, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's very important not to forget and to

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Speaker 1: even embrace the human element of it.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, I don't. I don't want people

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Speaker 2: to get that twisted. I do agree with you to

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Speaker 1: I think next year, so we usually watched Super Bowl together, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think next year we should watch the Microsoft. No,

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Speaker 2: No, we want well everyone, you'll be insufferable the whole time.

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Speaker 1: People. No, because these are actual pros aut of using

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Speaker 1: it for what it's Maybe I'll learn something, Maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: learn something, maybe you. I'm fine with them because they're

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Speaker 1: doing what they do. They're not trying to run a

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Speaker 2: So well, speaking of running a football team, the Patriots

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Speaker 2: announcement is coming shortly, formally announcing Josh McDaniels as the

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Speaker 2: return of Jeremy Springer. And now we're also starting to

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Speaker 1: Coaches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, positional coaches. So we're going to open

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Speaker 2: the show with all of that, of course, and before

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Speaker 1: Yes, Iyota, Now you're adding, that's not even close where

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Speaker 1: I come from. I know you said Iota.

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Speaker 2: I say it how I say it. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: Evan needs to say this correctly.

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Speaker 1: I do think they want to say it correctly.

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Speaker 2: Then I will change my mind. But until then, I

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Speaker 1: I've never heard Tyota, I've never heard.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's how I say it. I guess I don't know.

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Speaker 1: No, I've never heard you say that. That's not how

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Speaker 2: You're right, I totally am. All right, let's get down

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Speaker 2: to business though, enough joking around, enough banter off the

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Speaker 2: top of the show. So Josh McDaniel's back as the

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Speaker 2: Patriots offensive coordinator. I do want to start there. There's

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Speaker 2: Very experienced, Yeah, very experienced. Is this tends to have

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Speaker 2: no longer going to be worried about this guy's never

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Speaker 1: The term growing pains will be used a lot less frequently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a good thing. Now, that

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited about that. I want to get into

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Speaker 2: moving forward with Josh McDaniels. But what is just your

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good higher. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. And it's not even closed. And you know,

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Speaker 1: for is he perfect?

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Speaker 1: You know the play sequencing sometimes gets under your skin,

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Speaker 1: We talked about this last week, Evan. When people say

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Speaker 1: There's probably a couple different directions he can go We've

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Speaker 1: McDaniels likes to operate under center so he can run

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Speaker 1: we finally get to see that piss stuff that we

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Speaker 1: didn't see last year that we wanted to see? That's

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Speaker 1: my big question. But I mean that's more operational than

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Speaker 1: it all on Max Jones shoulders with some of the

433
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Speaker 1: other stuff they were doing, right, same with Cam Newton here.

434
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Speaker 1: So whether it is a package with Joe Milton, where

435
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 1: it is getting creative with Pop Douglas, maybe it's doing

436
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: something with the running backs, and I have a running

437
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: backs take on Josh McDaniels too. I want to get

438
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 1: to like, I'm excited to see that side of it

439
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: as well.

440
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Speaker 2: Okay I'm not, but of course not. I understand where

441
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 2: you're coming from. The other thing. I just wanted to

442
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 2: mention with McDaniels, I just I really don't think he

443
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: gets enough credit for how good of a run game

444
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: schemer he is. So there his last three full seasons

445
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: as an offensive play caller, not the twenty three season,

446
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: taking that one out because he'll coach the Raiders for

447
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: half the year, but they were eighth, ninth, and fifth

448
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: in DVOA running the ball in twenty twenty two, for

449
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: all its faults in Vegas, he had the rushing king

450
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL and Josh Jacobs the number one leading

451
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: rusher in the league was Josh Jacobs that season with

452
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels. So if you talk when you talk about

453
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Speaker 2: taking things off Drake May's plate, making it easier for

454
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 2: Drake May, what we're really talking about is can you

455
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: be balanced r Can you have a run and a

456
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: pass game that are successful, and then can you hit

457
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 2: the easy buttons in the passing game, which is play

458
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: action RPO moving pockets like those types of things are

459
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 2: what make it easier for a quarterback so that he's

460
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: not just drop back passing progression read get the ball

461
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 2: out in two and a half seconds all the time.

462
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,239
Speaker 2: He's not trying to be Tom Brady, where he's just

463
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: efficiently picking a part of defense all the time. The

464
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: easy button is becoming extremely popular. It's why Ben Johnson

465
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: just got a head coaching job. It's why Sean McVay

466
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: and Kyle shanahan and Kevin O'Connell are the darlings of

467
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: the NFL right now on the offensive side of the ball,

468
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: because those guys are able to do that more times

469
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: than not. With McDaniels, I think he has that element

470
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: of his game to him. I think he's great at

471
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Speaker 2: scheming together the run game and the play action passing game.

472
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Speaker 2: We've talked about this in the past. You know, a

473
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Speaker 2: couple of years, Patricia Alex van Pelt a lot of

474
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Speaker 2: the time, like they would run run plays that weren't

475
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: didn't make sense with the pass the play action pass

476
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: right like they were running like a downhill duo and

477
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: then they were repairing that with like a bootleg route

478
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: concept and you're just like, how this is not who's

479
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 2: this impacting Who's in conflict here? Like, where's the space

480
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Speaker 2: that you're trying to create with this? It just didn't

481
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: marry together. And I think one of the more refreshing

482
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 2: parts about this hire is that they are going to

483
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Speaker 2: run a system. They are not going to run a

484
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Speaker 2: collection of plays. This is gonna be a system that's

485
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: going to fit together, that's going to make sense. Now,

486
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Speaker 2: after all the gushing and all the praise that I

487
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Speaker 2: just taped on Josh McDaniels, I do have concerns.

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Speaker 1: I'll just on the run game real quick. The other

489
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Speaker 1: thing I'm excited about is I would think we're going

490
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Speaker 1: to get back to the early down passing down back,

491
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Speaker 1: and the last couple of years it's just been by

492
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Speaker 1: drive or by stamina or whatever. Right, all right, Remandre,

493
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Speaker 1: You're in for these five plays Antonio gibbson Europe, next

494
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 1: and right, and it's not situational. There's benefits to that,

495
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: there's certainly benefits to that. But I think one of

496
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: the downsides is by the end of the year the

497
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: last three years, or Andre was just they it was

498
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: too much, right, right, they put too much on his plate.

499
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Speaker 1: I would hope now we go back to that early down,

500
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: passing down dynamic, which the downside is it's a little

501
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: more predictable, but it allows you to specialize players and

502
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: guys are doing with their best at more often than not.

503
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Speaker 1: So Stevenson's well rounded back, we'll see is he the

504
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: early down guy? Is he the passing down guy? Would

505
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: think he'll be the early down guy. And then it's

506
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Speaker 1: can they go Fine, we get to get back to

507
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: this conversation now of you know the next James White,

508
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: Shane Vereen, Danny Wood, Kevin Falk finding that kind of guy,

509
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: and maybe that's Antonio Gibson. Maybe he's just a spellback

510
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: for Stevenson in the early role and there's another passing

511
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Speaker 1: down back something like that. But I am looking forward

512
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Speaker 1: to them going back to that dynamic, that that philosophy

513
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: splitting the running backs on offense.

514
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Speaker 2: Well, from that standpoint, from my personnel standpoint, I job

515
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 2: just got a whole lot easier because we know the

516
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: types of players he's gonna be looking for. We know

517
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 2: the types of all the way down the line offensive linemen.

518
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: They're gonna be a power run team again. You can

519
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: bet your bottom dollar that the outside zone stuff is

520
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: out right, like, that's not coming back. It'll be just

521
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: like I said about the cheesecake factory. It will be

522
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: on the menu, but that's not gonna be a featured part.

523
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: They're not gonna major in outside zone. They're not gonna

524
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: be big on that. They're gonna get back to running

525
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: the ball downhill. They're gonna get back to get you know,

526
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: guards Mike on Wenu, Shaq Mason like bigger guards, full

527
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 2: backs like. I think Remadre Stevenson benefits a lot from this.

528
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: I think this was where he was at his best

529
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: was in this type of offense and all this outside

530
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: zone experimenting. I don't think it ever really fit him.

531
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Speaker 2: I think this will fit Remandre. I think this will

532
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: get him back to where he needs to be as well.

533
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 2: The last thing in terms of the drop back pass

534
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: game on the positive side, and I do want to

535
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: talk about some of the of the small sea concerns.

536
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 2: I don't have any like big major concerns, but I

537
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: do have some small sea concerns. One of the other

538
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: pet peeves that I had about the Van Pelt offense,

539
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: and we discussed this at nauseum during the season, was

540
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: how little scheme related conflict there was in their passing

541
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: game to beat man to man coverage, like it was

542
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: a lot of isolation routes, like we're gonna sprace the field,

543
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna be stagnant, We're gonna be isolation routes, and

544
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: it just you beat the guy across from you. With McDaniels,

545
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna see stacks back in. We're gonna see pick

546
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: plays back in, Like he's gonna find ways to get

547
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: guys off the line of scrimmage and have them have

548
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: advantageous ways to attack leverage and attack man coverage. You

549
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: know how many times would you see Julian Edelman like

550
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: in that short motion and then they get him into

551
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: that two receiver stack and then just snap the ball

552
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 2: right away and have the defense on its heels. Like

553
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: those types of little intricacies to their drop back passing

554
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: game that will be back in with McDaniels are intriguing

555
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: because it just makes it easier on receivers to get open. Right,

556
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: You're not just asking a Kishan Boody to go one

557
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: on one on the outside and win five six times

558
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: a game, which we know is probably not going to happen.

559
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: So you hope that the receivers are better, and that

560
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: just that lends itself in itself. But at the same time,

561
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: I think that McDaniels is really really good at those

562
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: sort of things. As far as the smallest sea concerns go,

563
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: I think the main one for me, at least is

564
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: how much information are we putting on Drake May, Like

565
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: how much stress are we going to put on Drake

566
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: May at the line of scrimmage, making the calls, making

567
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: the line calls, making the checks, like all those types

568
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: of things. Or are they going to go with a

569
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: more watered down quarterback friendly version of the offense that

570
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: we know and some of the things that you've heard

571
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: about McDaniels during this year off that he's gone around

572
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: to some college programs Ohio State, USC, a couple other

573
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: places to make I think Albert Breer said it was

574
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 2: more user friendly, try to make the offense more user friendly.

575
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued by that, and I hope that that's real,

576
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: Like I hope that that's actually where they're gonna go,

577
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: because it's a lot to put on a second year quarterback.

578
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: And I not that Drake May isn't smart, but I

579
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: don't necessarily know if that's what you're really trying to

580
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: flex with Drake May is the mental muscle, like you're

581
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: trying to flex the playmaking muscle, not necessarily winning above

582
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: the you know, between the ears, because that's what he

583
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: has to do.

584
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance that mc dames will

585
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: only get flexible and maybe borrow from Van Pelt that

586
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: David Andrews is more involved in the in the pre

587
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: snap stuff.

588
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I think anything is possible. I think anything's on

589
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: the table. My guess is, though, is that he will

590
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: be in Drake May's ear until they shut off that

591
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: had set fifteen seconds before the snap. And that's what

592
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: he did with Mac Jones his rookie season, and so

593
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: I think that he will hold Drake May's hand in

594
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: that respect more than we're going to put this on

595
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 2: the center. So we'll see how that works out. You know,

596
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: their coaches have done that. Sean McVeigh famously did it

597
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: with Jared Goff early on in Jared Goff's career. So

598
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: I think it's possible. And as we build here, the

599
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: hope is is that he can put more and more

600
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: on Drake May's plate mentally. But it's it's a lot

601
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: you know, you already as a quarterback have a ton

602
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: of things to worry about when you get to the

603
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. And now to add on top of that,

604
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: you know, what's the front, where's the splitz threats coming from?

605
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: How are we sliding protections, how are we setting mike

606
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: points like all that kind of stuff. It's cumbersome, Like,

607
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot to think about from the quarterback perspective.

608
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't well, I would rather not go down

609
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: that road again. But we'll see how Josh McDaniels does that.

610
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: The other thing that is just a small sea concern

611
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: for me is that notoriously not all not he's not

612
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: allergic to motion, but he's not a big proponent of motion.

613
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: They've been middle of the pack his offense is you know,

614
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: the last three or four years that he's running offense

615
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: have been middle of the pack in terms of rate

616
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. And if they're gonna

617
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: be gun and we talk about this a lot, if

618
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: they're going to be a more gun centric team than

619
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: what he's run in the past, window dressing is key,

620
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: Like you have to have motion, you have to have

621
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: elements like that in your offense to bait the defense

622
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: out of passing lanes and to manipulate defense and things

623
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: like that, because you're not going to get the under

624
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: center turn your back to the defense hard play action fake,

625
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: So you have to have orbits where the motion goes

626
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: behind the quarterback, jets where the motion goes in front,

627
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: you know, other different things like that to add elements

628
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: and options for the quarterback to then confuse defenses. So

629
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: he's spent some time, like I said, going around to

630
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: college programs, Chip Kelly, Lincoln Riley, like those types of guys.

631
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: They all major in motion. Every college team does basically

632
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: at the D one level at the high level schools.

633
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: So where does he go with that? How does he

634
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: make this gun offense more I hate to use the

635
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: word modern.

636
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: More, you know, just how does he involve more motion?

637
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: How does he evolve? How does he evolve offensively in

638
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: those respects? I think is important because his last two offenses,

639
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: the Raiders and the Patriots, were both top three and

640
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: under center rate. Right, you're under center almost fifty percent

641
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: of the time in Vegas in twenty two and forty

642
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: three percent of the time with the Patriots in twenty one.

643
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine that Drake May is going to

644
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: be super comfortable with that. So if you're going to

645
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: be a gun team, how do you now build the

646
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: McDaniels Staples into a gun offense?

647
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: Right?

648
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: That's a big one, But I don't necessarily think it's impossible.

649
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: It's just where that the where do they go from there?

650
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: Do you have anything else on McDaniel's No, All right,

651
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: let's go over the defensive side with Terrell Williams. So,

652
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: I think is an interesting hire. A lot of really

653
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: really high praise for him as a defensive line coach. Now,

654
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: he's never called the defense before, so that's a big,

655
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: a big known the only guy right now that they

656
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: have that doesn't have all the experience necessary at the

657
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: at the job that he's being hired to do. So

658
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: he's never called plays before. But when you listen to

659
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: former players, current players on the Lions talk about him

660
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: as a defensive line coach, it's nothing but heavy play.

661
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Jeffrey him on Twitter.

662
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's really good with that. He's really good

663
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: with the front. How do they now go out and

664
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: get somebody that maybe knows the secondary in the back

665
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: end a little bit better? Is that Mike Pelgrino. Is

666
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: he like elevated to like a past game coordinator slash,

667
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: you know, secondary coach or something like that. Possibly I'm

668
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: just speculating, Brian, Yeah, that's possible. But with Terrell Williams,

669
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: you just what are your thoughts on him coming aboard?

670
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: And I will put this other caveat in there, it's

671
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: Frable's defense. I have a ton of fear that the

672
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: defense is gonna be in bad hands with the head coach.

673
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: And that, and that's my big takeaway, Like this is

674
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: somebody who worked with Mike Rabel for a long time.

675
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: Rable clearly trust he made him assistant head coaches last

676
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: year in Tennessee. Yeah, And if it's going to be

677
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: Rabel's defense, which I've said all along, that's what I

678
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: want it to be, then it's just about getting somebody

679
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: who is familiar with Rabel, how he wants things done,

680
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: how he wants to operate, all of that. And it

681
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: certainly seems like they got their guy in Williams. So

682
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm with you, not a ton of big picture of

683
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: thoughts because I maybe he calls the defense, maybe Vrabel

684
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: calls it, but I think it all runs through like Rabel,

685
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be his defense.

686
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. You know, just a little bit of

687
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: the film study that I've done on their twenty three defense,

688
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, it's a good thing with Rabel,

689
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: but he's so malleable to the personnel that I don't

690
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: know how much of that was just this is the

691
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: horses that they had, and so they they shifted because

692
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: of that. And that's not necessarily what he is going

693
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: to major in here. But they did a lot more

694
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: four down stuff. They're a lot more even front, four

695
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: down defensive lineman, a lot more aggressive up the field

696
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: penetrating type fronts. You know, they overload a side, they

697
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: go wide and nine with the a gaps open on

698
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: passing downs to run those games and I let the

699
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: three techniques penetrate. They did a lot more of that

700
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: kind of stuff than the Patriots do, and they play

701
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: a lot more zone behind it as well. Now, the

702
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: Patriots I don't think are going to do that in

703
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: terms of zone, but I do think that there's a

704
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 2: chance that we could see more of a four down

705
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: attacking front with Terrell Williams and with Mike Rabel than

706
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: what we've seen in the past.

707
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: And I for one love it now fits Perl.

708
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: They have to find the linebacker play right, Like that's

709
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: the biggest thing is that with that type of system,

710
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: with guys getting up the field, with the coverage space

711
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: that you want to be able to cover as well.

712
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: Like you don't necessarily want the Juwan Bentley types, right,

713
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: you want the Matt Milanos of the world. You want

714
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: those athletic linebackers, the Fred Warners if you're going to

715
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: run that kind of system. So they would have to

716
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: maybe identify some linebackers that could do that sort of thing.

717
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: Zact bond Hello free agency. But at the same time,

718
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: I've been clamoring for them to be more aggressive and

719
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: get there's a place for it. There's a time and

720
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: place for everything in football, but the two gapping build

721
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: a wall, you know, gap integrity in the pass rush,

722
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: don't run past the quarterback. It all has the time

723
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: and place, But at other times you need to be

724
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: able to pressure that well.

725
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: And what you're describing that's going to maximize guys like

726
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: Christian bar More, key On White. If they draft Abdul

727
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: Carter would be a great fit in what you just described.

728
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: So I think they'll be flexible as well, but definitely

729
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: energizing the front that actually minded me. If you want

730
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: to go back, we can do this or not. It's

731
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: up to you. I did like the winners and losers

732
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: of the McDaniels hire for players, we can do it

733
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: or do you want to? I don't want to blow

734
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: the whole show up now. I just thought of it

735
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: because we kind of did that on defense, kind of

736
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: up and down putting. Now i'mutting you on the spot

737
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: with ups and downs.

738
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, this is off season ups and down.

739
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: I had four winners for losers for the McDaniels hire.

740
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: All right, winner Remander Stevenson. Great, we already kind of

741
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: talked about that. I think he's gonna be putting a

742
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: better position. Kendrick Bourne if he's here, if he was

743
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: on a thousand yard pace before he got COVID, now

744
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: that was three years ago and an acl terror goo.

745
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: I get that, yep, but he was. He was excited

746
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: yesterday on social media. I get why. Yeah, Hunter, Henry.

747
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah had both systems are good with tight ends.

748
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, city, So I'll explain the city. So in

749
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: a second, that more to my to my losers. Okay,

750
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: So here are not losers, but like, here's who's going

751
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: to struggle more, here's who's This is not good news

752
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: for Jalen Polk.

753
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I'm also sure about that one we'll

754
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: called Jalen Polk. Javon Baker won Javon Baker. I can

755
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: understand because of the mental side I be in this offense.

756
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: But doesn't Jalen Polk have a little Jacobe Myers in

757
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: his game?

758
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: Well that's what we thought last year and look what happened.

759
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: So I just like if he struggled with the offense

760
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: and last year, I.

761
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: Feel like this system from a mental standpoint, you mean,

762
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: I guess I can see that. I just think from

763
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: a skill set standpoint, and look, I Jalen Polk is

764
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: one of those guys that I need to see it

765
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: to believe it.

766
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: Right.

767
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and count on anything from

768
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, no offense to him until he shows it.

769
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: But I do think from a skill set standpoint, you know,

770
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: they've he reminds me a little bit of Jacoby. No,

771
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: he does.

772
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: But I guess here's my point, here's why I put

773
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: him on. Like the guys that might end up on

774
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: the unfortunate side of this, right. Yeah, that's besides the quarterback.

775
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: You can argue that's the most crucial role in Josh

776
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: McDaniel's offense.

777
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

778
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: When Josh McDaniels, and I'm sure he's already done this,

779
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: but when Josh McDaniels looks at the film and decides

780
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: who from last year he's gonna keep involved, yep. Is

781
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: he gonna see Jalen polk and say, okay, slot receivers

782
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: set or is he gonna say we got to get

783
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: somebody to fill this role. And I just wonder if

784
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: McDaniels wants to go to somebody that is more proven

785
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: and that he maybe feels he can't lie on more

786
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: so in terms of role being in Jeopardy Jalen polkaenough

787
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: and then the other two in this Coast of City

788
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: so point Whole Strange and Laden Robinson. They're gonna go

789
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: back to running downhill, They're gonna go back to running gap.

790
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna see power. Right. You just know McDaniels wants

791
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: to go get himself a mic on winning with that

792
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: left guard spot. He wants to go get some three

793
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pound mauler at left guard. That's not

794
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: what Cole strangers. That's not what Laydon Robinson is. Maybe

795
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: Strange sticks at center, and that's why I put City Side.

796
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: I think Laydon Robinson is that he's not that big though.

797
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: I think Laden Robinson is a power guard. He's a

798
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: power guard, is like big big.

799
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: I don't think Leadon Robinson's that small.

800
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: I think he's like three ten.

801
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: I think Laydon Robinson fits that scheme. Cole Strange definitely does.

802
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: Laden Robinson. I actually feel like fits a gap scheme

803
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: better than what with the outside So.

804
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: I think City So does yeah too. So that's why

805
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: I had City So on the on the positives because

806
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I you know, and maybe they bring in somebody else entirely,

807
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: but I think McDaniel's like he wants he's gonna want

808
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: mike O Winnu on the left side. Yeah, and I

809
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: like Cole Strange certainly not that guy. Maybe Laden Robinson's

810
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: that guy. Maybe City So is that guy.

811
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously Joe Tune, he's just.

812
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: On a hal of Joe that's like, yeah, just go

813
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: find your time.

814
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying like that they need to find

815
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: a Joe Toney, but I would say that with McDaniels

816
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: in the past, though the left side of the line

817
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: has been geared towards more athletic guys, you know that.

818
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: Nate Soldier, Joe Toney, like, those are the two guys

819
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: that come to mind immediately. Laydon Robinson six, so I

820
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: think he believes a little bit in blind side protection

821
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: and having a strong left side and pass pro and

822
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 2: all those types of things. They've always they were at

823
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: their best when they had Joe Toney at left guard,

824
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 2: who is a more athletic, you know, nimble former college

825
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: tackle moving inside to the guard, and Shack Mason at

826
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: right guard. Right, I guess you have your bulldozer on

827
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: the right side next to Marcus Cannon who was another

828
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: bulldozer on the right side, and you had Nate Solder

829
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: and Joe Toney on the left side, who are your

830
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: more athletic, you know, move type of guys. So I

831
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily rule out more athletic guard. It's just not

832
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: it can't be cold strange, right, It's got to be

833
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: somebody that's got a little bit more mass and a

834
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: little bit more play strength than that. Yeah, but I

835
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: do think that there's a possibility that they could go

836
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: after an athletic guard just in a different kind of

837
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 2: mold than a cold strange. I think those are all true.

838
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: I think Antonio Gibson fits the system really well in

839
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: the passing game. You know, he's that in that James White,

840
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: you know, type of role potentially in this offense, and

841
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: I could see it. I could see that being a

842
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: nice fit. But in terms of as we've been this

843
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: forward and personnel, and you talked about Polk and the

844
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: slot receiver and things like that, I mean this to

845
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 2: me definitely puts slot receiver or at least Z receiver

846
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: at the very very top of the list of the

847
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: offseason where you need to get a guy that can

848
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: be targeted a one hundred and twenty five times, not

849
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas and not a wild card right now like

850
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, but somebody that can truly be an engine

851
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: to your offense from the slot. And you know that

852
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: to me is you know Abuca Rastrepo, Like, are those

853
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: guys now people that we should really be talking about

854
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: in the draft?

855
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: I see people say Chris Godwin and Freak. I think

856
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good if, It's an important if.

857
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: But yeaheah, that's a really good one too. But that

858
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: slot role is not it's not a Pop Douglas like

859
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: you know, like to your point earlier, it's not like

860
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: that occasional explosive. No, it's like, this is gonna be

861
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: a ninety catch guy.

862
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas. To me, if we're gonna comp from past

863
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: McDaniel's offenses, and again, I think it's gonna be different.

864
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there was something new for

865
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas that we maybe haven't seen McDaniels do a lot.

866
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: Maybe you combined kind of I almost go to like

867
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks and can you have him do some Braindon

868
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Cooks type stuff, but not that to that level. I

869
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: look at like dannyman Doola. So you combine some of

870
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: the Brandon cook stuff and some of the dany Amandola

871
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: stuff and that's Pop Douglas. But Pop is not a

872
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: volume guy. He's never gonna be a volume guy. And

873
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: they they need that, you know. Julian Edelman, Wes Welker

874
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: can go over the middle, get blasted, get back up next,

875
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: play that sort of thing. So who we were talking

876
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: about a guy recently who you comp to Deon Branch.

877
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's really a comp.

878
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: Oh Golden from Texas. Yeah.

879
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: I think I think we said in that conversation, if

880
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: they hire McDaniels, he's a great fit.

881
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had said I had like two comps for him,

882
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: Dyon Branch. You know, for people that don't remember Deon

883
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: Branch as well, like I I he reminds me a

884
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: lot of Jayden Reid in Green Bay, who, in Green

885
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: Bay's offense is sort of a sixty percent usage guy

886
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: because they run the ball on early downs and they

887
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: want to run out of two wide receiver and have

888
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 2: the receiver's block and on the perimeter on outside zone

889
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. And this offense, you know,

890
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: it's always great to have a receiver that can block inside,

891
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: but it's not necessarily quite as important, I would say

892
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: it than like the McVeigh Shanahan offense, because you're not

893
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: running to the perimeter.

894
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: And we've seen some of these guys get here and

895
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: maybe they weren't, Like Edelman was a quarterback in college. Yeah,

896
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: but we saw him kind of learn and embrace because

897
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: he knew we needed to do that to get on

898
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: the field. Embrace that blocking role. It's anothering mcdan is

899
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: as good as a coach, like kind of instill that.

900
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: So maybe Matthew Golden gets here, he starts blocking his

901
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: ass off.

902
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah no, it's a good point. I do like Matthew

903
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: Golden though, he's smooth. That guy is a smooth explosive

904
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: runs well, runs good routes. It grinds me a lot

905
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: of Dean Branch like. He's not a he's not a

906
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: power guy. Like, he's not gonna like Moss people and

907
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: stuff like that. He's gonna he's gonna finesse you a

908
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: lot like Dion did. So.

909
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: Will Lad McConkie in there too, Little Ladd McConkie.

910
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, i' mccomy. Lad McConkie would be a.

911
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: Great McConkey would be like the ideal.

912
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. So those are the types of guys that you

913
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: know we as we all know that that we'll be

914
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 2: looking for with McDaniels on the defense, you have your list?

915
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: Do you have a defense list too?

916
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: Or I was only writing this for offense, but if

917
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: you want to do defense, we can do this off

918
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: the cup here.

919
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of guys.

920
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean we are talking about key On White, assuming

921
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: Barbar's healthy. Yeah, those are two big ones. Those are winners.

922
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: Yep. I love the idea of giving Vrabel and Terrell

923
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: Williams Keon White and just seeing if they can hone

924
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 2: that skill set a little bit. It a little bit,

925
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 2: two guys that know the defensive line inside and out

926
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: that can coach it really, really well. I just that's

927
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: what also attracts me so much to drafting Abdul Carter

928
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: is because you're gonna be giving this ball of clay

929
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: pass rusher to Mike Vrabel, who's gonna get out there

930
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: with the pad on and is gonna be like doing

931
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, hand technique stuff and teaching him things and

932
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: having him watch old film and things like that. Like

933
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: that's that's what you want out of a pairing, you know,

934
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: fourth overall pick head coach type of thing. I think

935
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: Keon fits that same bill. You know, he talks a

936
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: lot about last season, how he didn't get the coaching

937
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: that he wanted, he didn't feel like he was being

938
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: coached hard enough, corrected all that kind of stuff. I

939
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: don't think that's gonna be an issue with these two guys,

940
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: so that that will be exciting. I hope that they

941
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: can get it out of them.

942
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: So those guys for ups downs you mentioned Bentley, Yeah,

943
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: to buy kind of that same thing, like secondary is

944
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: kind of personnel specific, right, Yeah. To me, it's already

945
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: going to have a true free safety or they keep

946
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: going to keep trying to play Dugger Peppers right there right,

947
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: If you had a true free safety, this is great

948
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: for Duger and Peppers because they can be those kind

949
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: of more athletic linebackers.

950
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: I would assume that a variable and Williams just based

951
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 2: off of what they did in Tennessee. They were pretty

952
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: flexible with their safeties in Tennessee, like Bayert always played

953
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: up top, but they were pretty flexible with guys, and

954
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: they seem to know how to use those tweeters kind

955
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: of like have that Bill secret sauce of you know,

956
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: this is what you're good at, this is what you're

957
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 2: not good at. But I do wonder what the safety

958
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: is with Dugger and assuming that Peppers is available to play,

959
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: do they have to get away from that a little

960
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: bit because of how similar they are. And I don't

961
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: know if that necessarily fits. I don't know if it

962
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: even would have fit one hundred percent of Bill is

963
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: still here, right Like, I just don't know if that

964
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: tandem as good at individually as those players can be

965
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: when they're at when they're playing well and at their peaks.

966
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: I just don't know if I ever have loved the

967
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: fit next to each other. So maybe they do go

968
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: out and sign a Javon Holland or somebody like that

969
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: and make a splash and free agency on a true

970
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: free safety that can play up top. I certainly would

971
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: love Javon Holland, but you know, any sort of you know,

972
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: combination of that. But I'm interested to see what this

973
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: defensive line does with Williams. It was a big issue

974
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: last year. They couldn't stop the run. We all know

975
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: that they couldn't rush the passer, they couldn't play in

976
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: the trenches. And as much as I have concerns, you know,

977
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: small Sea again, concerns about him never calling plays before

978
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: on a defense he is allotted for his work with

979
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: the defensive line.

980
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna call it? Do you think

981
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: Rabel's gonna call it?

982
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: I would assume he's gonna call it with Rabel overseeing

983
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: it a lot like Bill used to. Do you know,

984
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: with the guys that were a little bit early on

985
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: in their careers as play callers, you know Steve early on,

986
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: Patricia early on, where it was one of those things

987
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: where it's like, all right, like what are we thinking here?

988
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: Like what are we doing? Big third down? You know what,

989
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: what's what's what's your next play call gonna be here?

990
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: And just trying to keep them on their p's and

991
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 2: q's and keeping them ahead of things. That's the biggest

992
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 2: thing from a play caller, other than marrying the front

993
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: and coverage and all that stuff, it's also understanding the

994
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: situation and like what's coming right, Like, Okay, we're gonna

995
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: have this third down, what's what are we protecting against?

996
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: What are their tendencies and all that kind of stuff.

997
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you know, play callers that are young

998
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: and inexperienced, Uh, they they're just calling plays to try

999
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: to do what they want to do, and they're not

1000
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: necessarily thinking about the picture, the bigger picture of the

1001
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: opponent's tendency, the game situation. You know, I don't need

1002
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: to pick on him, but like setting it all out,

1003
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: blitz at Matthew Stafford for a seventy yard touchdown to

1004
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: Cooper cup right, like, thinking of those types of things

1005
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: I think are important for young play callers, not that

1006
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: he's young, but inexperienced play callers. That I that is

1007
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: why I'm I'm so excited about McDaniels because you don't

1008
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: have to worry about any of that stuff on offense.

1009
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 2: Like he's been there, done it, you know, So that's

1010
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: exciting from that aspect of it as well. Any losers

1011
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: on defense other than the safeties, I guess, I said

1012
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: Bentley to VI, Yeah, some of those tweener guys I

1013
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 2: do always worry about, you know, is every coach gonna

1014
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: see that as a useful thing that you're kind of

1015
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: like this hybrid tweener type of player. I always worry

1016
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: about those guys.

1017
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: God show, are not gonna two gap?

1018
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Godshaw. If they're gonna you know, they might play

1019
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: some of that you know, shaded nose, those overfronts and

1020
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: things like that where the noses in the a gap

1021
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: and is still really considered a not a two gaper necessarily,

1022
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 2: but he's got to hold the point of attack, right,

1023
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: that's his primary responsibility. But a true nose, like Godshaw, Yeah,

1024
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: I could see that being something that they go away

1025
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: from I like that though, Like let's get aggressive, Like

1026
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: let's get up the field, let's put some pressure on

1027
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: the quarterback, you know, let's get in the backfield and

1028
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: make some plays behind the line of scrimmage. Like, I

1029
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: think too much of this defense. Even when you stuff

1030
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: the run, it was still like a two or three

1031
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: yard game, and that's considered a stuff. But like, there

1032
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 2: was not enough penetration. There was not enough splash plays

1033
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: behind the line of scrimmage from this group for the

1034
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: last couple of years. And that's how you get teams

1035
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 2: off schedule, and that's how you get them into long

1036
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: third downs where you can rush the passer and you

1037
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: can blitz, and you can dial it up and you

1038
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: can create turnovers in a flip field position. Like I

1039
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: just feel like that's more of what they need to

1040
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: do defensively, lasting on this and we'll we'll open it

1041
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: up to everybody. Lots of emails, lots of phone calls.

1042
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: I wonder in the draft at the top, if there's

1043
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: a couple of guys that I am not necessarily in

1044
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: love with for them that maybe are in play Mason Graham, Yeah,

1045
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: if they're gonna run four down, Uh, if they're gonna

1046
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: run you know, uh, double three techniques, things like that.

1047
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: A lot more of that, it becomes a little bit

1048
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: more of a possibility. And even though I don't like

1049
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: it because I I need not necessarily like I wouldn't

1050
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: say that it's a high floor is probably the wrong

1051
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: way to put it, but I just I want to

1052
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: hit down the fairway. But like some of those Georgia

1053
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: guys like MIKEL Williams for example, who is raw. But

1054
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: if you give them to you, guys that know what

1055
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: they're doing and developing defensive linemen like Vrabel and Terrell Williams,

1056
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: like could they get him to that next step of

1057
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: his development in like a trade down scenario obviously, Like

1058
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 2: if you're trading down to the eight to twelve range

1059
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 2: and you just want to go with upside and tools

1060
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff and have Terrell Williams

1061
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: coach the guy up, then I think some of those

1062
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: those bulldogs, you know, Williams in particular, is somebody that

1063
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: could be back on their radars. But exciting stuff we have.

1064
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: We have a coaching stept.

1065
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: Maybe Luthor Burden will hire on the board too.

1066
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that idea. Yeah, yeah, I like Luthor Burden,

1067
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 2: you know that. Yeah, I can see that. Anything on Springer, well,

1068
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 2: that's your your's your slam.

1069
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: You know it was good. There's good special teams unit

1070
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: last year. Yep, no need to over complicate it. Vrabel's

1071
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: familiar with Tom Quinn. Tom Quinn, who's the assistant. I'm

1072
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: glad Springer's back. I also thought he just did a

1073
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: good job last year. We haven't talked about this a

1074
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: lot because it's not like a football thing, but you

1075
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: want kind of the tone of the coaching staff to change, right,

1076
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: not walking things back press conferences, passing around blame things

1077
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: like that. I still go back to the answer that

1078
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: Springer gave that last Friday of the year when he

1079
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: was asked about what it was like getting booed, he

1080
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: was like, look, it's our job to make essentially on paraphrasing, yeah,

1081
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: so our job to make sure they don't boo us.

1082
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: They're paying good money, they're taking their time out to

1083
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: watch us, to follow us. We got to give them

1084
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: something better. I think that's kind of the tone you

1085
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: want this coaching staff to take.

1086
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: So okay, sorry really quickly, but before we we take

1087
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: calls and stuff. I do want to go over some

1088
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: of the assistant coaches and potential hires there, So Tony

1089
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: dues from the Jets. It sounds like it's being reported

1090
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: that he's going to come over to the Patriots and

1091
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: be their running backs coach. I believe, right? Is that

1092
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: is that reported that he's gonna still coach running backs.

1093
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: He's been a long time running backs coach, so I

1094
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: assume you coach running backs. But the biggest hire now

1095
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: from this point, and I know I'm going to shock

1096
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 2: everybody when I say this, but it's the truth. The

1097
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: biggest hire now is offensive line.

1098
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: Coach, right, other than wide receivers coach.

1099
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, offensive line coach is the biggest higher on the

1100
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: staff other than your coordinators and your head coach for

1101
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: any staff. So a couple names here. Obviously the guy

1102
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: that I would target, and it gets complicated because he's

1103
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: under contract with the Giants. But I had to bring

1104
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: Carn Brosello back in a second. I think he's a

1105
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: really good coach there. He was great here in twenty

1106
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: and twenty one with the Patriots. He was good in

1107
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: Vegas in twenty two. If they can get Carn Bacello

1108
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: free from the Giants. If he, you know, has a

1109
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 2: really long standing relationship with Josh McDaniels. Maybe it's kind

1110
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: of like what Rabel's doing with some of his guys,

1111
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: like you know, Stretch and Trell Williams. Maybe Brian Dable

1112
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: you know, says okay, fine, you know, like he goes

1113
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 2: to Brian Dable and Brisila says, hey, like Josh, my guy,

1114
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: Like you know, he's back coordinating the offense in New England.

1115
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with him. I would hope that that

1116
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: would be the case. That would be my number one pick.

1117
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: Keith Carter, who's was the Jets offensive line coach last year,

1118
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: was with Rabel and Tennessee, that's another name to watch.

1119
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: And I would say Camberon Clemens, who's right now is

1120
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: on the forty nine Ers staff, is their assistant coach

1121
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: offensive line coach, was on the Titan staff as well

1122
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: as their assistant offensive line coach for a number of years.

1123
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: So Carl Brisill is the guy to me if you

1124
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: can get him out of New York. Yeah, that's who

1125
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: I would target. But that's a big higher and second

1126
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: to that big higher wide receivers coach. I agree with you.

1127
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: Chad o'sha is an obvious connections. He's in Cleveland right.

1128
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: Now, and he worked with Rable last year.

1129
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, worked with Rabele last year. He's their past game

1130
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: coordinator and their wide receivers coach though, so he's got

1131
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: a pretty good title with the Browns. So I don't

1132
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: know how that would work. And I like Wes Welker.

1133
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: I like the idea of bringing Wes Welker back, have

1134
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: him start training up whoever's going to play his position

1135
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: in the slot in particular, he's played in this offense.

1136
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 2: He knows it inside and out. He was an All

1137
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 2: Pro player in this offense. And you know he's coached

1138
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: in some other offenses in San Francisco and Miami in

1139
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: that West Coast tree where he could bring some of

1140
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: that flavor maybe potentially to it from a skill Maddox standpoint.

1141
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: So I like the Noche is kind of the safe option. Yeah,

1142
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: I kind of like taking a little bit of a

1143
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 2: swing on Wes Well.

1144
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: I like, I've been big on Welker for a while.

1145
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: Now I'll give you one more. And I don't know

1146
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: that he's a connection. I just think he's a hell

1147
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: of a coach of Sean Jefferson. Yeah, and assuming New

1148
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: York rebuilds its staff, which you think they will. Yeah,

1149
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: Sean Jefferson had him to the list.

1150
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: Yep. All right, So that that was my list in

1151
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: terms of the offensive line coaches and things like that.

1152
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: So let's take some of these phone calls. I know

1153
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 2: you guys have been waiting. Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

1154
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 5: Hey, Evin, I want to defend your answer to the

1155
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 5: question about your favorite running play. I like Power. I

1156
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 5: think it's a good running play and I think Baber

1157
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 5: was excited about it bringing in the pullback, and we

1158
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 5: need to, you know, win in the trenches. They need

1159
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 5: to establish a run because the most important point to

1160
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 5: me is like that's going to open up the play auction.

1161
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 5: You've got to have defenses thinking that you're you're going

1162
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 5: to run the ball. And Alex I also agree with you.

1163
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 5: I know everyone want to talk about it, but with

1164
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 5: the short yardage jumbo package and having Joe Milton in

1165
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 5: there and you know, maybe doing a tush push or whatever,

1166
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 5: but we need to they also need to win some

1167
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 5: short yardage, especially at the goal line. Would be nice

1168
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 5: to just be able to run in the ball there

1169
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 5: when they can when it's the first and goal. And

1170
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 5: one more thing, last thing, Bevan, I like your too

1171
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 5: to read because they remind me of the comedian, the

1172
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 5: late great Gary Shanley when he said, you know what

1173
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 5: do they I just got a new car. What do

1174
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 5: they call it? Is it called a Porsche or Porsche?

1175
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 5: I can never get that right. So I'm the proud

1176
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 5: over of a new toyot. So that's it. I'll leave

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00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 5: you on that and you can comment.

1178
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 6: Thanks.

1179
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 2: Thanks, John. Look, I'm not anti the Joe Milton package,

1180
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: all right, and I.

1181
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: Love It's just fun, So you don't want to talk about.

1182
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels has always been like you said, flea flickers,

1183
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: double passes, like all the trick players have always been in.

1184
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels is in his bag. I'm not anti any

1185
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: of that stuff. I had just more interest and talking

1186
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: about what their base concepts are going to be and

1187
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: how they're actually going to move the ball offensively. Not

1188
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 2: the one time a game that they want talking about.

1189
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: We'll get into that in the spring. But if we're

1190
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: talking about what excites us about Josh McDaniel's overall, I

1191
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: think it fits. Uh From the YouTube chat here. I

1192
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: got so you mentioned carl and Brisilla for offensive line coach. Yes,

1193
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: Cole Popovich.

1194
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: So, and this is again, this is just my read

1195
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: on it. I'm not reporting anything. But it seemed to

1196
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: me that Cole Popovich and that whole twenty twenty COVID

1197
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: season and all that stuff, he burned a bridge with Bill.

1198
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty clear.

1199
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: I know, but it's I mean, Josh is an extension.

1200
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about bringing Welker back.

1201
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's different.

1202
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: Well, he definitely a bridge, not like this.

1203
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: I think they Cole Popovitch. Something happened. I don't want

1204
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: to speculate, but something happened with Cole Popovich, that clearly

1205
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 2: because they had multiple opportunities to reopen that door. Yeah,

1206
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: and they didn't, you know, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three,

1207
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: they had opportunities to bring him back on the offensive

1208
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: staff and they had no desire. So maybe Josh it's

1209
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: a different guy. I totally can side that. But that

1210
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: it's a good name, it's a it's a good name.

1211
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: Let's continue with the calls because these guys have been waiting,

1212
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 2: and then we'll get to some of these emails. Getting

1213
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: tons of emails, which is great. Patty is an ago on.

1214
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: What's up, Patty? Patty?

1215
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: Patty? What's up?

1216
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: All right? Patty? You call back and I know you will.

1217
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 2: All right? Justin is in Virginia. What's up? Justin?

1218
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: Hey?

1219
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: What's up?

1220
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: Fella?

1221
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: Team?

1222
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: Yes?

1223
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 4: Hey?

1224
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 7: So let's say, because we always talk about who we

1225
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 7: want to draft, but like we don't talk about like

1226
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 7: the free agency portion of it. I got a hypothetical

1227
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 7: free agency and I want to ask who you want

1228
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 7: to get with the fourth overall pick if this is

1229
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 7: a free agency. So let's say you failed to get

1230
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 7: Te Higgins, you get Chris Godwin off of an ACL

1231
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 7: you feel like he is like eighty percent? There, you

1232
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 7: get Cam Robinson and Jedrick Wills. You're at the fourth

1233
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 7: overall pick at dual Carter, Travis Hunter and Cam Ward

1234
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 7: with before you.

1235
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 4: Who do you want?

1236
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: All right? So wait, let me hang run that back,

1237
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: run the names and free age. It's tough when we're

1238
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: just listening.

1239
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so you've got you failed to get Higgins,

1240
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 7: Chris god off of an ad L. Do you feel

1241
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 7: like he's eighty percent?

1242
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 6: There?

1243
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 7: You got Cam Robinson and Jedrick Wills as your tackles.

1244
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 7: You don't have anybody you feel like is that notable

1245
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 7: of the name outside of these guys when it comes

1246
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 7: to the draft at dual Carter cam Ward and Travis

1247
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 7: Hunter went, I mean, yeah, those guys.

1248
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: Those guys are off. Okay, Okay, I get it. So basically,

1249
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: you solve tackle, you solve receiver. Ish thanks for the

1250
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: Carter and Carter and Hunter off, which, regardless of the

1251
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: freegency stuff, there's a real chance Carter and Hunter both

1252
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: off the board. I'm not ruling that out, so that

1253
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: is something we'll need to discuss. I'll just say this

1254
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: real quick. I'm good on Jedrick Wills. Yeah, you know,

1255
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: Hurt a lot of heard a lot of stuff out

1256
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: of Cleveland about him just having like a compete level issue.

1257
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: And that's a lot of injuries.

1258
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, not the kind of guy they need in that scenario.

1259
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm trading down. I'm definitely trading down. And then depending

1260
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: on where I end up. You know, if Ted McMillan's

1261
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: still there, him and Godwin as your your ex and

1262
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: your z or your ex and your slot, I think

1263
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: there's some potential there. Yeah, I still might take a tackle.

1264
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: Uh and maybe play. No, I probably wouldn't because it's

1265
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: gonna be Robinson and and maybe take a right tackle

1266
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: maybe now a guy like you're not trading down far

1267
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: enough for Emory Jones, So no, I guess not. You know,

1268
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: I take Luther Burden because it's gonna be tough to

1269
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: get him and God went on the field at the

1270
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: same time, maybe like probably best defensive player available is

1271
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: where I'd go. Whether that is yes, Mason Graham, Michael

1272
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: Williams now, I might have a conversation about will Johnson

1273
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: honestly if he falls a little bit after a down year.

1274
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: If you are really confident that you have solved tackle,

1275
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: like you've signed two guys that you really feel are

1276
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: starting caliber players and are going to be seamless, you know,

1277
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: plug and play type of guys in free agency, I

1278
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: don't know how you get there.

1279
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: Can you do that? And do that?

1280
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: Hey?

1281
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: If you are that confident off of the guys that

1282
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: are available in free agency this year, and that's kind

1283
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: of a red flag to me.

1284
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think Alec Jackson's a nice player.

1285
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: No, I do you think he leaves No, I don't

1286
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: think anybody.

1287
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: Wants to leave LA. But I think Aleric Janson Jackson's

1288
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: a nice player. I don't see guys like Rodnie Stanley

1289
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: hitting the open market, and Cam Robinson after that playoff

1290
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: game definitely gives me some pause. Twelve quarterback pressure is

1291
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: allowed in the playoff game. Not pretty, not pretty. So

1292
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how you solve tackle. But if we

1293
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: just go off the assumption that you solve tackle, and

1294
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: then we're going off just to play out the scenario

1295
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: that Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter are also off the board,

1296
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan does become intriguing because.

1297
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: He also had them signing Godwin too.

1298
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: Right, And then that's your nice compliment on the outside.

1299
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: It just kind of seems like that would complete your offense,

1300
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: and at that point you are just looking for that

1301
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: finishing piece.

1302
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: You know what. So I'll say this. Let's say hypothetically

1303
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: you solve tackle, yeah, which again I don't know that

1304
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: you can do. But you solved that, Yeah, You've You've

1305
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: gotten Chris Godwin, who's a good wide receiver. So you

1306
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: had a pretty good free agency. As much as I

1307
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: hate not addressing the defense, I'd probably look for a

1308
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: pass rusher. There's also a part of me that thinks,

1309
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: all right, we did a hell of a job in

1310
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: frequency with this roster. Instead of moving down six, seven

1311
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: to eight, let's move down to twelve get an absolute haul.

1312
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: Let's get a second this year and a few first

1313
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: next year, and then I might take Tyler Warren.

1314
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I can see Tyler Warren being great.

1315
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: And Tyler Warren and Josh mcton, and now it's and

1316
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: now I have you know you're probably picking. You're picking

1317
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: at thirty eight, you're picking again in the top fifty.

1318
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm hammering those those early Day two edge guys, the

1319
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: Jack Sawyers, the Princely, the guy from from old Missus

1320
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: name I can't remember right now right, I'm hammering maybe

1321
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: Dion Walker. I'm hammering the defensive front on those Day

1322
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: two picks. And now I have two first round picks

1323
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: last year and next year, and if pass rusher is

1324
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: still not solved, I'm flying up the board next year

1325
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: and getting a pass rusher.

1326
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: It's not a bad plan.

1327
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: I now that's there's a lot of ifs that you

1328
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: have to do to get there, right, and I don't

1329
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: know that they're all achievable. But if that's what we're doing,

1330
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: I still might take Michael Williams, but a part of

1331
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: me says, let's get that absolute haul for next year

1332
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: and let's have some fun with Tyler Warren.

1333
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just I like Tyler Warren as a player.

1334
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: I always am cognizant in general of building your offense

1335
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 2: through a tight end. Because but you've added Chris Godwin. Yeah,

1336
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: but Chris Godwin, I'm not sure where he's at.

1337
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: I guess Tyler.

1338
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: Warren is a phenomenal talent. Don't get me wrong. He's

1339
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: not brought Bowers, but he's a phenomenal talent. But unless

1340
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: you're really thinking that that tight end is Gronker Travis Kelsey.

1341
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say those are the only.

1342
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: Two guys that I can think of in recent I

1343
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: guess you could kind of say Mark Andrews when he

1344
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: was in his prime, Andrews not great timing but like

1345
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: Buffalo legend, but like a couple of years ago, like

1346
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: maybe you could have said Mark Andrews. But that's with Lamar,

1347
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: who is like obviously.

1348
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,479
Speaker 1: His thing's its own. But I'll say this, if there

1349
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: is anybody who's experienced building an offense not just around

1350
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: one tight end, but two tight ends, Yeah, No, this

1351
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: is the guy. And you're gonna have Hunter Henry. You know,

1352
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna run out of twelve A Tony. You

1353
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: might end up using Tyler Warren kind of as your

1354
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: second slot guy. Yeah, and you're gonna run out of

1355
01:03:55,080 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: twelve a ton with Hunter Henry, Tyler Warren, Chris Godwin.

1356
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 7: And.

1357
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna You're gonna have some big boys out there.

1358
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: I'll throw Kendrick Bourne in there. I guess is that

1359
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: next guy. Yeah, and that's gonna be your offense. You

1360
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: could donate it.

1361
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: I just feel again like this is sort of more

1362
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 2: than thing. Like I just if you don't have like

1363
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 2: a true Gronk Kelsey level talent at tight end, like

1364
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: building your passing game around the tight end position can

1365
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: be difficult, and there are examples of it really at

1366
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: the top of the draft, especially you know Kyle Pitts. Uh,

1367
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 2: let's see brought Bauers had an awesome rookie year individually,

1368
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: Let's see what that offense looks like if he's the

1369
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: engine of the offense, Like, can they build it out

1370
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: around him? I think you still have to have something

1371
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: on the outside. You still have to have, you know,

1372
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: a great quarterback obviously. Uh, and I just worry about

1373
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: that being Okay, he's our number our number one coverage

1374
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: dictating game plan Tuesday player. Is our tight end. That's

1375
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: that tight end. Better be a dude like that. Better

1376
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: be a stud tight end.

1377
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: That's true, I guess yeah. And again this is all

1378
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: there's so many ifs here, right, Carter's not on the board.

1379
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: You've solved these things in free agency.

1380
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, like a guy like you, I said,

1381
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: Tech McMillan, And I know that I've been kind of

1382
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: lukewarm on Tep McMillan, But the main reason why I

1383
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: am luke warm on McMillan is because he's a finishing

1384
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: piece to me, Like you can't. The Patriots are not

1385
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 2: in a position right now to be drafting finishing pieces

1386
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: or like you know, the cherry on top of their offense.

1387
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: They're not in that spot yet. They need to build

1388
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 2: up the offensive line, They need to build up the

1389
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: trenches on both sides of the football. They need to

1390
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 2: get that foundation so that when you drop a Tech

1391
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: McMillan into this offense. Now you have Stefan Diggs in Buffalo,

1392
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 2: you have Aj Brown in Philadelphia, like you're hitting the

1393
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: ground running at that point. This is why look at

1394
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: the Giants, and I know the Giants have a much

1395
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: worse quarterback situation, but the Giants draft in my league neighbors,

1396
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: he's awesome. What did it do for him?

1397
01:05:58,520 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 4: Right?

1398
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: It didn't move the needle, It didn't. He's a great player.

1399
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: It did nothing for them. So until you get to

1400
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: that point where you can start drafting. You know, we

1401
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the Lions yesterday, and you know,

1402
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 2: somebody emailed it and said, well, you know, like, why

1403
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: would you stick your nose up to drafting Jamiir Gibbs.

1404
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't if you are in the position the Lions

1405
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: were in when they drafted Jamiir Gibbs. They already had

1406
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: the offensive line, they already had Penny Sewel, they already

1407
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: had the quarterback. Like, so he was there, Sony Michelle,

1408
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: but better right, he was the finishing piece. Uh. And

1409
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 2: that that's That's where I'm at with the wide receiver

1410
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 2: position early in the job, because I feel like that

1411
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: call not to like pick on the caller at all,

1412
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: but I feel like that situation was begging us to

1413
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: say Ted mc millan, right, right, And so that That's

1414
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: where I'm at with that. Was there something else you

1415
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 2: wanted to say? All right, let's Patty's back. I knew

1416
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: he would be. What's up, Patty guy? You doing.

1417
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 3: Doing all right? Today? I got a couple of questions.

1418
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 3: So the first one is, Alex, if we're we're able

1419
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: to if Carter's there and we take him and we're

1420
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 3: able to like move up, or if we stay stationary

1421
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 3: and Ariantierser's there, is that do you consider that being

1422
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 3: like half assed in the left tackle position? That's the

1423
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 3: first question. Yeah, okay, And can both of you kind

1424
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 3: of sell me on Mason Graham because I, uh, may

1425
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 3: I'm crazy. Maybe it's just me. I think you can

1426
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: get like good interior guys, defensive interior guys and free

1427
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 3: agency possibly. I don't know what the list looks like

1428
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 3: this year for for interior, but I mean we need

1429
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 3: we need that guy, that guy to get after the quarterback,

1430
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So like, if if you

1431
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: guys think he's worth it, if he's zerik for and

1432
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 3: the other guys are gone, just try and sell me

1433
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 3: on him. I'll take that off their.

1434
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: Guys, thanks, Patty. So the sell for Mason Graham is

1435
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter right, Like, if he comes.

1436
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: In, it's not gonna let's not go that nuts.

1437
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's that type of player. I'm just

1438
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: saying interior pressure. Jalen Carter, the name of that. I

1439
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 2: really think that he reminds me of the most is.

1440
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 2: I know I always say the name around, but Fisk

1441
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: or Fiskey and with the ram like just that active

1442
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 2: up the field, tenacious, uh playmaker at that spot. And

1443
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 2: I think Graham's a little bit more well rounded, which

1444
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: is why Fiskey fell to the second round or Fisk

1445
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: or whatever fell to the second round, and Graham's gonna

1446
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 2: go top ten. But the cell is is that with

1447
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: him and Christian Barmore hopefully back at full capacity next year,

1448
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,480
Speaker 2: you were going to push the interior of the pocket consistently.

1449
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 2: That's the cell. Now. I'm kind of with Patty like,

1450
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: I don't love the positional value of that. It fails

1451
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: very very Washington Commander's circle like twenty sixteen to me,

1452
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: where they had all all those guys like Deron, No,

1453
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: they're all great players, but where did that get them? Right?

1454
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: Like they drafted, remember that that streak they had where

1455
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 2: they drafted like nothing but interior defensive lineman for like

1456
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 2: three or four straight years. Yeah, all from Alabama, and

1457
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 2: they had all these first round picks on their defensive

1458
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 2: line and they stunk right, Like I just that would

1459
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 2: be what I would worry about a little bit. I

1460
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 2: would much rather get the complimentary piece off the edge.

1461
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 2: We all love Abdul Carter, but even if it ends

1462
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: up being somebody.

1463
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: Else, Michael Williams, James Pears.

1464
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 2: I would kind of rather go that route and be

1465
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: more balanced where you have like three points of a tea, especially.

1466
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: If you're I mean, if it's if it's Mason Graham

1467
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: or Michael Carter, plus you get an extra top fifty

1468
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: pick because you're probably trading down. I would much rather that.

1469
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: I would much rather that. I think Graham's a good player.

1470
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: I just don't know if the spots the Patriots are

1471
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: in right now, it doesn't make a ton of sense.

1472
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: And I know he's not a three down interior player necessarily,

1473
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 2: but when you're talking about obvious pass, like third down,

1474
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 2: obvious pass like can't Keon White kind of do the

1475
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 2: same thing next to Christian bar More that Mason Graham's

1476
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 2: gonna do for you in terms of penetrating and lining

1477
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: up over guards and rushing inside. Like I feel like

1478
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: you already have that at that third down interior pass

1479
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: rush tandem if you have both those guys healthy and

1480
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: playing well at the same time. So I just that's

1481
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: that's it.

1482
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: My good player's great player, great player my rule thumb

1483
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 1: for this draft. And Evan, maybe this is too simplistic,

1484
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: but the Patriots have three either blue chair or potentially

1485
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: blue chip players on the roster. That's it. They have

1486
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 1: three guys that are true like playmaker. You're gonna count

1487
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: on them down and down out guys, Drake May, Christian

1488
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 1: ZoZ assuming health, Christian Barber. Right, you have so many

1489
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: other needs, so many needs to take a player at

1490
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: one of those three positions at the top of the draft,

1491
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: and you have all those other needs. To me, is

1492
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: just your consolidating talent too much. You need to spread

1493
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: the talent around the roster. Now, if we find out,

1494
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: and obviously don't want this to happen, but if we

1495
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: were to find out that Christian Barmber can't play football

1496
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: anymore because it was a medical condition, now all right,

1497
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: it becomes a much more realistic conversation to me because

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Speaker 1: you don't already have that guy in that spot. But

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Speaker 1: assuming Christian Barmore is coming back, I just you gotta

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Speaker 1: spread the wealth. There's too many other positions that need

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01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: to be addressed for you to be like, we have

1502
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 1: four elite players, two of them are a defensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Washington Commanders in twenty like eighteen, Well, they.

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Speaker 1: Were just drafting as many Alabama players as they got,

1505
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: and all the best Alabama players happen to be defensive line.

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Speaker 2: That's what it was though, No, that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: But the roster, I think what happened was they just

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Speaker 2: let's get to some of these emails, because we have

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Speaker 2: seventeen million of them and we really appreciate it. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is uh, I know This is from Tyler in Connecticut.

1537
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 2: He was just wondering if we had any you know,

1538
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 2: we all know t Higgins, all know the big names.

1539
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 2: Is there any any under the radar free agents that

1540
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: we would like to see the Patriots target in free agency?

1541
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: And I have one and he does list him here.

1542
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's necessarily under the radar he's

1543
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 2: going to be like an all pro, but I love

1544
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: me some Zach Bond with Philadelphia. Yeah, I think that

1545
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys. They might tag him in

1546
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 2: some way, transition, franchise, whatever, But if he hits the

1547
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: open market, I am definitely in on a Zach Bond

1548
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 2: athletic can play on the ball or off the line

1549
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, like He's one of those classic Patriot Mike

1550
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 2: Rabel style linebackers that you can just move around the

1551
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: front and do different things with, can cover really well

1552
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: down the field. So I'm a big Zach Bond guy.

1553
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 2: I mentioned Alaric Jackson earlier. I think that if you

1554
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 2: look at this tackles in the class and you assume

1555
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,759
Speaker 2: like Ronnie Stanley's not available, I think alar Jackson solves

1556
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 2: a spot, at least as a stop gap and not

1557
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: a Chuoxacorp for a stop gap. Like, yeah, he's a

1558
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 2: real y, real NFL offensive tackle. So those would be

1559
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 2: my two off the top of my head.

1560
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: So I'll give you a couple, I've said, Carlton Davis, Yep,

1561
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: kind of. I don't think that they do need a

1562
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: second corner. It's not something they need to address super heavily.

1563
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: He's falling down, you good, good, this thing's fallow that

1564
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: So I'm sure people can hear me, Carlton Davis. You know,

1565
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: adding another corner I think would make a lot of sense.

1566
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: He gives them that size, that physicality, then he'll give

1567
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: you one on offense. This literally just came to me.

1568
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe it took me this, I'll even think

1569
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 1: of it. We were talking about slot receivers, right, a

1570
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: guy you can trust, trying to get that Jacobe Meyers type.

1571
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: When I first saw this guy when he came into

1572
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: the league in twenty twenty, I was like, that's a

1573
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: Patriots receiver. And we didn't know what was gonna happen

1574
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: with Belichick and McDaniels and all that, but I remember

1575
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: seeing him being like, that guy's gonna play for the

1576
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: Patriots some point and he's finally a free AGENTI this year,

1577
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: and it just so happens. He has a good relationship

1578
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: with new head coach Nick Westbrook A Kine.

1579
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, he's a good player.

1580
01:14:54,080 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: He's a very reliable, steady, consistent pass catcher. He's got

1581
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: the frame. I don't think he was that volume guy

1582
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. I'd have to look up his stats.

1583
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 2: I don't know what his no, but you're high for

1584
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: targets the Patriots last year. Not that that's everything, but

1585
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 2: he's yeah, he's so's his number three.

1586
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: But he's never had more than sixty catch sixty targets

1587
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: in a season. But if you were to sign a T.

1588
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: Higgins draft, a DK Metcalf trade for DK Metcalf draft

1589
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: Ted McMillan, right, you get that guy at the X

1590
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: and now Nick Westbrookie Keene is your slot z yep.

1591
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty good. And I don't know, am

1592
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: I wrong Evan that I think he's I could project

1593
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: him towards like one hundred targets.

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01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: He's a solid player, yea and uh, and you know

1595
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: we'll do all those little dirty work things and it

1596
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 2: can run routs and things but he's maybe a little

1597
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 2: bit more what's the word detailed than Kendrick Bourne, like

1598
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 2: he's got it. Yeah, Kendrick Bourne has these mental lapses

1599
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: where he forgets the route or runs it at the

1600
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 2: wrong depth, and he's talked about his openly, so I'm

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01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: not saying anything about then that he hasn't said himself.

1602
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 2: But Keine strikes me as a guy that's a little

1603
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 2: bit more locked in. But his skill set is a

1604
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: little bit redundant or similar to Kendrick Borne. He's bigger

1605
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: two six fifteen, so I just wonder a little bit

1606
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 2: about that, But I do I do like him as

1607
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 2: a player in terms of that sort of tier that's

1608
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 2: sort of what you're looking for in free agency. And

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01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to talk a little bit about

1610
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 2: the Commanders today just because of what's going on with

1611
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels and that in the run that they're on

1612
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: right now. So much of my takeaway from this Commander's

1613
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 2: run is that they've done such a great job Adam

1614
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 2: Peters did of just getting the floor of the team

1615
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 2: to be higher going into the season, so that if

1616
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels was a stud, which he is, that he

1617
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 2: could elevate the roster the rest of the way right

1618
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 2: to get them into the NFC Championship Game or at

1619
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 2: least the playoffs. I don't think they ever thought they

1620
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 2: were gonna be in the NFC Championship game, but they

1621
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 2: like Westbrook in Kinneck, I think fits this mold, which

1622
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 2: is why I segue to it. They signed like Bobby

1623
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 2: Wagner and Wiley right, Taxers, Uh Beadish on the interior

1624
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 2: offensive line, Zach Ertz, Frank Jeremy Chin. Yeah, like all

1625
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: these guys that aren't household superstar type players, but they're

1626
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 2: all NFL starters. And that just took the whole the

1627
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 2: whole level of the of the roster just went up

1628
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 2: a notch because they just had this floor that was

1629
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: more stable. It's not all that different than what the

1630
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 2: Patriots did in twenty twenty one, right where they kind

1631
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 2: of spread the money around. They've made one splash with judaon,

1632
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 2: but for the most part that they were just kind

1633
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 2: of getting solid, capable, reliable, steady, veteran presence on the

1634
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 2: roster and then you just hope that the draft and

1635
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 2: the quarterback is what knocks it out at me. This

1636
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: is what happened in watch.

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01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: This is what I remember giving this take last year

1638
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 1: when we were doing the draft and developed stuff. It's like,

1639
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: that's all good in Green Bay when you have a

1640
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: foundation bill, but there's no foundation here. It was like,

1641
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: you don't have to do freegency every year. I get it.

1642
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: The Packers never do freegency, right, Elliott Wolf that's not

1643
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: his background. And look he's not the one calling the

1644
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 1: shots anymore.

1645
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, just one.

1646
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: Year, do free agency. One year build that floor that

1647
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 1: you don't have that you had in Green Bay. That's

1648
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: what I was. That's what I want him to do

1649
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: last year, and they never did it, so hopefully they

1650
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: do it this year. Yeah.

1651
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 2: And then you know, really where you get your ceiling

1652
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: is in the draft, right, So they get Jayden Daniels,

1653
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 2: which is the obvious one, but they also get Sandri Still.

1654
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: They also get Brandon Coleman at left tackle. They also

1655
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 2: get Luke McCaffrey, who's been like a nice, you know,

1656
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 2: complimentary piece for them, like you get all you know,

1657
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 2: Eckler is another one of those veteran guys that they

1658
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: added at running back. You know, like you get all

1659
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 2: those guys in the building to make your team better

1660
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 2: in the short term and have that floor rise to

1661
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 2: a different level. And then if you draft well and

1662
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,560
Speaker 2: you stack that on top of that roster of the

1663
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 2: veteran guys, now all of a sudden, you have a ceiling,

1664
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 2: right that's a little bit higher than what you thought.

1665
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: The Patriots are that exact same position. If they can

1666
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 2: sign six, eight, ten of those types of veteran free

1667
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 2: agents to increase the floor of the team and then

1668
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: have another really strong draft. Oh, I say another, have

1669
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 2: a strong draft, well.

1670
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three, you're talking about twenty three.

1671
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: But just have a good draft. Yeah, and you stack

1672
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: that on top of it. Now we're cooking with gas

1673
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 2: like that. You're building something here, and that's that's my

1674
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: hope for the Patriots and free agency. I'm not saying

1675
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 2: you can't go out and sign t Higgins if you

1676
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: want to.

1677
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: Or you probably can't going back to Cincinnati, yeah.

1678
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: Or you know, Josh Sweat, who's gonna get a top

1679
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: of the market deal.

1680
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: Josh, what makes a lot of sense for them.

1681
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you can't do that.

1682
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: Well, you said compare twenty twenty one. They got chewed on, right,

1683
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: You get that one guy, right.

1684
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: The comparison you're just because the head coach is going

1685
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 2: to be a lot to two thousand and one where

1686
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 2: they sign Rabel Anthony Pleasant, Roman Feifer, like they.

1687
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: Sign like Antoine Smith.

1688
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, there's like ten of those guys. Yeah,

1689
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: you know, like those types of players. Obviously, the modern

1690
01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 2: comparison is what Washington's doing right now. This is from

1691
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: Phil in North Carolina, who's a big Drake May fan.

1692
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 2: So I assume that's why he is now a Patriots guy.

1693
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 2: So we appreciate. I like those types of people. I

1694
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 2: appreciated Phil. He said that he is not a huge

1695
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 2: fan of the Josh McDaniels. I wanted to get some

1696
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 2: different thoughts and I didn't want it to be all

1697
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 2: sunshine and rainbows. He's not a fan of Josh McDaniels,

1698
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 2: and he wants us to list four pros about Josh

1699
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 2: McDaniels without saying that he's not a flight risk for

1700
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 2: a head coaching job. I can I can do this.

1701
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: That was the first half hour to show, Yeah, like

1702
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 2: this is what I don't understand. Like I didn't even

1703
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: mention that he wasn't a flight risk. I think that

1704
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 2: his he's got a system, which I love. Yeah, he's

1705
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: a known developer quarterback developer, which I like. Uh. He's

1706
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 2: very good at game planning and he's been in that

1707
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 2: and no shoes an in game play calling game planning. Uh,

1708
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: and I love his run game and play action passing.

1709
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: That's fo I can keep going.

1710
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: He let me see if I can do four different ones.

1711
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: He has a good track record. It's limited, but in

1712
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: the times he's done it, it's been good. Yeah, of

1713
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: molding what he's calling, what he's designing around the talent

1714
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 1: rather than trying to force the talent what he wants

1715
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: to do. You talk about the quarterback development, he and

1716
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: his system have a good track record of developing offensive lineman,

1717
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: so I'll piggyback on that. I much prefer the situational

1718
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: running back distribution versus just doing it by drive or

1719
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: by stamina. And now we're getting on eight here, I'm

1720
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: trying to remember what you.

1721
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 2: Said while you're thinking, there's one other.

1722
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: The advisor's a good look, a timeless look.

1723
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 2: The one another thing that I just want to push

1724
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 2: back a little bit on the whole. Like he calls

1725
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 2: a lot of third down screens, So I look this up.

1726
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: We are getting all hot and bothered about fifteen plays

1727
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one they called it fifteen screens on

1728
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: third down and twenty twenty one, So my fifteen that's

1729
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 2: like two percent of the entire entirety of the plays

1730
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 2: that they called, right if they called a thousand offensive plays.

1731
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 2: I'm not very good at math, but I can tell

1732
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:08,759
Speaker 2: you that that's like two percent.

1733
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: Right, we'll put it in five percent whatever? Right?

1734
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 2: That that that right there is We're getting all hot

1735
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: and bothered about something that they did two percent of

1736
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: the time.

1737
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: And I think the reason he did it again he

1738
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: does a good job of calling plays relative to the

1739
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: quarterback skill set, and I think that's just what he

1740
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,520
Speaker 1: felt best about with Mac Jones on third and lungs.

1741
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 2: I nailed that right, right, one point five percent? Look

1742
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 2: at that?

1743
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: That was good for you. What would you rather do

1744
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: on that?

1745
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 6: Right?

1746
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 2: Marine? I did that?

1747
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 1: What did you use Excel to figure out?

1748
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 2: It's called a calculator?

1749
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: All right?

1750
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 2: I know? Have you heard of that?

1751
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: I have?

1752
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1753
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: What I trust me?

1754
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 2: I have the fact that I had to use a

1755
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 2: calculator to do that's kind of sad.

1756
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: I used calculator for sadder. What would you rather Mac

1757
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: Jones doing on third and one. Would you rather him

1758
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: throwing the ball, you know, deep in cuts or would

1759
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: you rather screen and try to let James White make

1760
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: a player whoever make a play?

1761
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so the one, uh, the one can learn that.

1762
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 2: Phil also mentions here in this email, and this, to

1763
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 2: me is is fair, Like I don't necessarily think that

1764
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm super concerned about it, but it's fair. Uh. Is

1765
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 2: just the fact that McDaniels did not have a great

1766
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 2: relationship with players in Vegas and that was a big

1767
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 2: part of why he did not work there and how

1768
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: that could or could deter free agents or trade you know,

1769
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: trade guys, guys they targeted in trades to want to

1770
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 2: play in this offense and to want to come here.

1771
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: We also got another email, DeVante DeVante Adams went on

1772
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 2: a It's it's related, so you can make your point.

1773
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams went on a podcast at some point and

1774
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:48,520
Speaker 2: said didn't say anything like totally uh scorched earth about McDaniels,

1775
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 2: but he just mentioned that it's like kind of a

1776
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 2: dink and dunk offense, right, Like they're kind of an

1777
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: efficient offense. They're trying to take chunks out of the

1778
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: defense instead of go for big plays and and chuck

1779
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 2: it deep and and you know, just that whole thing

1780
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 2: of McDaniels, his relationship with players, his style of offense,

1781
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 2: Like is that the most attractive destination?

1782
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: Now, well, I think it depends on the player. Look

1783
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: I and this is what I was gonna say, Yeah,

1784
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: the time in Vegas, like he's not the head coach here,

1785
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: and all the players that played from here loved them.

1786
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: You look at what you know, Kendrick Bourne last night

1787
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: reacting like that, so to me where he might make

1788
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: it a tough sell. And this is for any player,

1789
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: any coach anywhere in the league. Guys want to show up,

1790
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about those top free agents. Guys

1791
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 1: want to show up, and they won't have a role.

1792
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 1: If you're trying to recruit a you know, slot receiver.

1793
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's gonna pull up all this film of Welker

1794
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: and Edelman and all these guys and say this is

1795
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 1: what we're gonna have you do. And that guy's probably

1796
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty excited. Recruiting guy like t Higgins might

1797
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: be tougher. When's the last time Josh McDaniels had a

1798
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: guy like t Higgins, So maybe Devonte Adams, who, yeah,

1799
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: objectively is not a great fit in this offense. So

1800
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't think like the Vegas stuff is gonna hurt

1801
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: him so much as what can he show players his

1802
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: offense can do for them, And that obviously comes down

1803
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: to the player.

1804
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't necessarily think that it's this detriment

1805
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: in terms of the style of the offense, because as

1806
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 2: long as you have players that fit that style of

1807
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 2: the offense, we've seen how effective it can be.

1808
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: Right.

1809
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, in mcdaniels's offense, you are not going to

1810
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 2: get bombs away, Like You're not going to be a

1811
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 2: team that's going to throw a bunch of deep passes.

1812
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: You're not going to get a lot of your plays.

1813
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 2: Your explosives are gonna come a lot because you're hitting

1814
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 2: a fifteen yard catch and run receiver down the field

1815
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: and he's getting to twenty plus because after the catch,

1816
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, those are the types of plays that you're

1817
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 2: going to see a lot more from McDaniels than a

1818
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 2: downfield aerial passing attack. But if you have players that

1819
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: can catch and run, then what difference does it make?

1820
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 6: Right?

1821
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 2: And I think that a guy like Kendrick Bourdon drives

1822
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 2: in this system because he is good with the ball

1823
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 2: in his hands and he is good after the catch.

1824
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 2: So as long as you build it, and this is

1825
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 2: you know, something that I didn't think that the last

1826
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 2: regime did a really great job of of, you know,

1827
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: identifying this is the type of offense that we want

1828
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 2: to run, this is the style that we want to play.

1829
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 2: What are the players that fit that style of offense?

1830
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: And I don't think that they did a great job

1831
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 2: of that in the draft. I thought that you know,

1832
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 2: draft and Caden Wallace and Layden Robinson were you know,

1833
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 2: bigger power guys, heavier guys that tackle, especially with Caiden

1834
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: Wallace that some people projected to move inside a guard

1835
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: to guard someday, Like that doesn't fit an outside zone scheme, right,

1836
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 2: like that, that's not an outside zone tackle. You know.

1837
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk a guy that is you know, more of

1838
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: a possession slot Z type of receiver. When we know

1839
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 2: that they wanted to be you know, twelve personnel, heavy

1840
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: personnel with vertical shots off of play action and things

1841
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: like that. So how did that fit? You know, That's

1842
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 2: what you got to get back to. That's what the

1843
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: good teams do. They identify what they want to run,

1844
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 2: they identify the type of team they want to be schematically,

1845
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 2: and they get player fits and archetypes.

1846
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: For that skull belichickism, it's not about collecting talent, it's

1847
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: about building a team.

1848
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they got to get back to that. This

1849
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: email is very simple. Subject line from l from Wisconsin.

1850
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 2: Evan is wrong. I am wrong about putting the protections

1851
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 2: on Drake May and Elle said that this will allow

1852
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 2: the offensive line in the quarterback to be on the

1853
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: same page and so that the you know, the quarterback,

1854
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: if he sees it differently than the center, then you

1855
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 2: have breakdowns and things like that. But like I would

1856
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 2: just say to that, you know, whoever makes the line calls,

1857
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 2: he has final say so, like he had, everybody's got

1858
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: to see it through his eyes, right, right, So whether

1859
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 2: it's the center, it's the quarterback, like, it doesn't really matter.

1860
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 2: If the center says, you know, we're pointed this way,

1861
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 2: then you're pointed that way, right, Like that's the way,

1862
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 2: that's the play. So it's on the quarterback to see

1863
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 2: it through the center's eyes and vice versa. I just

1864
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 2: look at it and I I Remember one thing that

1865
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 2: AVP said to us that I really thought was sound

1866
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 2: reasoning for it. Just think about how much is on

1867
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: the quarterback on any given play, right, the understanding, his

1868
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 2: play call, the row concept, the protection, the defense, you know,

1869
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 2: the coverage, the blitz threats, the pass protection, and where

1870
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 2: people threats are gonna come from if you're hot, where

1871
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 2: you're going with the football? Is it one high? Is

1872
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 2: it two high? As it man? Is its zone? Like

1873
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: all these different things that you have to think about,

1874
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, we're going to add

1875
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 2: on to the plate, setting the mic and setting the

1876
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 2: protection and checking out of plays and all this different

1877
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: types of stuff. For a young quarterback, that's a lot.

1878
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 2: It wasn't a lot for Brady because he was Tom

1879
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 2: freaking Brady and he could do those types of things.

1880
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,560
Speaker 2: For younger quarterbacks, that's tough. It's a lot of responsibility.

1881
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 2: I don't think that Josh McDaniels will throw him into

1882
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 2: the defense. I'm not super worried about it. Small sea concern,

1883
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 2: but that's where I'm coming.

1884
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: Ideally, they get their events, but we're talking years and

1885
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: years and years down road.

1886
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:06,480
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. All right, let's go back to the funks. Uh.

1887
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,879
Speaker 2: Jay is in Atlanta. What's up? Jay?

1888
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 4: Hey guys, Thanks, we're taking a call here. Yep, all right.

1889
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 4: I just have a just two questions about the coordinators

1890
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,759
Speaker 4: we have, because we have Tia Williams. What's the likelihood

1891
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 4: that he targets the one like you know, maybe Jared

1892
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:28,799
Speaker 4: Ivy or Kyle Knard? And for Josh, what's the likelihood

1893
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 4: he targets on one like Junkins or maybe someone who

1894
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 4: like Nick Nash. I'll take it offline.

1895
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Jay. So Nick Nash is a good little

1896
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 2: segue here to some of the I haven't watched Nicknash,

1897
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 2: but he's unfortunately he's going to not unfortunately Trine boll

1898
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 2: is a great game, but he's going to the Shrine

1899
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: Bowl and.

1900
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: They have great receivers and tight ends in trying.

1901
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's going to the Shrine Bowl. So I'm

1902
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 2: not going to see him. But we also got a

1903
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 2: question about what's the kid from Stanford Illumina.

1904
01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: Or before we get him quick because he mentioned a

1905
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: couple of names there. Kyle Cannard, who I know you

1906
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: have watch, Yes, the pass rusher right from South Care.

1907
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do you know, tackle or something else.

1908
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 1: At the top of the draft. Kyle Canard second round.

1909
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: Sign me up.

1910
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: He's a he's a speed rusher, like a like kind

1911
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: of like an New j type.

1912
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: I would say, I think he's a lot more violent.

1913
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, good guy, he's a good player. Yeah,

1914
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 2: I am interested in the kid from Stanford. He's going

1915
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: to be a mobile.

1916
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: He he he got Travis Hunter good last year.

1917
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got he's got some good things about him. Uh,

1918
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 2: you know, kind of in that like Rams receiver mold right,

1919
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: like Cooper Cup. Oh, that's a great I can't wait

1920
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 2: to Seetrepo Rastreppo is the guy and mobile that I

1921
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:44,679
Speaker 2: that I can't wait to see.

1922
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this on Nick Nash and look it

1923
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: was in the in the Mountain West. But you want

1924
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: to talk about a volume guy. I'm trying to find

1925
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: his targets last year. It's a lot.

1926
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Donovan Jackson is the Ohio State guy, right. Yeah,

1927
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 2: so a lot of people thought that he was gonna

1928
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: play guard in the league, but he's held up pretty

1929
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 2: well throughout there, running to the championship in the College

1930
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 2: Football Playoff playing tackle at Ohio State. I'm not rolling

1931
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 2: it out. I don't think it's an arm line issue

1932
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 2: with him. I think he's gonna have the arm line

1933
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 2: checked off. I think it's more of like a foot speed,

1934
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, recovery talent, mirroring ability, like that kind of thing.

1935
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: It's also just like, once again, here's a guy that

1936
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: you're drafting to teach to play left tackle. Yeah, it's

1937
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: not like he was a tackle who moved inside of

1938
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:30,799
Speaker 1: guard and moved back at He's a guardist whole career.

1939
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: If you're gonna take a tackle in that spot, can

1940
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: you just take a tackle? Can you just take a

1941
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: left tackle who knows how to play left tackle and

1942
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to start for you know, tackle one

1943
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 1: oh one in the spring and we can just get

1944
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 1: going with you know, whether it's Connery Ursery, even a

1945
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: kid from North Carolina State, Belton Benton, whatever it is.

1946
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: Why why does the left tackle have to be somebody

1947
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: that has well he's heard or it's not really his

1948
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: position or this, like, why can't they just draft a

1949
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: true left tackle. I don't understand why there's so much

1950
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: opposition to that. We're getting too cute with.

1951
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 2: It, like, well, there's no opposition to it for me,

1952
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,759
Speaker 2: but I think that the reason why people are against

1953
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 2: it is because if you say, oh, we're just gonna

1954
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 2: turn this guy into a left tackle, then you can

1955
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 2: draft him later. And no one wants to just have

1956
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 2: their socks for Christmas. But when we're talking about this

1957
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: solid time, we're.

1958
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: Donovan Jackson's gonna go, you're not doing that. Dunovan Jackson

1959
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: gonna be top fifty pick because.

1960
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 2: He's still gonna go in the second round. So you

1961
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 2: can use you can use four on tech, Wanta, vegetables.

1962
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: And less un less because he's a first round guard.

1963
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 1: He's a really good guard. What if one of those

1964
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: teams there at the end the first round that needs

1965
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: a guard drafts him as a guard, but even still

1966
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 1: he's gonna go in the second round. I think we're

1967
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: on the same page here. I thought we were kind

1968
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: of coming at it like if you're gonna take a

1969
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: tackle there, take Connorly, take Ursery, and maybe they're not

1970
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 1: there there, but like what.

1971
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 2: But this is the bottom line is is that all

1972
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 2: these names, and I'm not saying that they're not all

1973
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 2: that they're none of them are good football players. But Connorly, Ursery,

1974
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,640
Speaker 2: Josh Simmons, you know if he falls, because that's another one. Uh,

1975
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 2: Donovan Jackson. All of these names are getting brought up

1976
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 2: because people just don't want to eat their vegetables. They

1977
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 2: don't want socks for Christmas. They don't want the Patriots

1978
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,879
Speaker 2: taking a tackle. What they're first picking the draft.

1979
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: That because they want somebody they can draft in fantasy

1980
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: and they can buy the jersey. I get that. Yeah,

1981
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 1: but you're like, I'm okay with Connory.

1982
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 2: I'm okay with yeah.

1983
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: Like that's if you're telling me, you know, Abdole Carter

1984
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. Fine, but if it, don't

1985
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: just throw a random name out there to make it work. Right,

1986
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: If you're gonna take a left tackle, they've been half

1987
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: asking this for too long. They you need a real

1988
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: left tackle the day one. You know you're not gonna

1989
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: have to work through transitioning him and teaching him the position. Yes,

1990
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: there's gonna be the adjustments in the NFL. I'm not

1991
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: saying those guys are perfect, but Donovan Jackson could be

1992
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: a great developmental tackle. Even he could even be Josh Connery.

1993
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I hear you. I We're in agreement on this.

1994
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 2: I understand that drafting and maybe a pass rusher is

1995
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 2: a little bit more sexy than drafting a tackle. Yeah,

1996
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: but I understand in theory that drafting a tackle, drafting

1997
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 2: a defensive lineman like the trenches. Addressing the trenches is

1998
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 2: not sexy. It's exciting they have It's not fun, but

1999
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 2: it's what they have to do. And the one thing

2000
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 2: that Rabel has hammered home since day once it is

2001
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 2: then introductory press conference, is we need to protect the

2002
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,799
Speaker 2: quarterback and we need to affect the other team's quarterback.

2003
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 2: That's almost a direct quote from what he said at

2004
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 2: his introductory press conference. Somebody then asked him, you know,

2005
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 2: what is the one thing that you kind of look

2006
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,640
Speaker 2: at with this roster that you want to fix immediately

2007
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,680
Speaker 2: off the bat? That's the most important offensive line was

2008
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 2: his number one thing. So he sees it, and I

2009
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 2: understand that there's different ways to go about this. If

2010
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 2: this was was it twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, Yeah,

2011
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 2: the Jamar Chase Penny Sewell draft twenty one. If this

2012
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:05,799
Speaker 2: was that draft where you're truly picking between two elite,

2013
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 2: elite prospects in Penny Stool and Jamar Chase, there's really

2014
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 2: no wrong answer in a draft like that, right like,

2015
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 2: it worked out for both sides. The Bengals got a

2016
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 2: stud receiver to pair with Joe Burrow. The Lions got

2017
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 2: the best tackle in football. It worked out for both sides.

2018
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 2: They probably the best players at their respective positions in

2019
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 2: the entire NFL. That's very rare. That was a once

2020
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 2: in a draft, right like. That's not gonna happen more

2021
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 2: times than not. So if you get into this position

2022
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 2: in the draft with the Patriots, it's not Penny Stool

2023
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 2: versus Jamar Chase. When we're talking about Kelvin Banks and

2024
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan. Neither one of those guys are in that

2025
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 2: category as prospects. So you gotta think about it like that.

2026
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 2: You gotta recognize that it's not one of those situations.

2027
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:53,600
Speaker 2: And I go back to last year with the Giants.

2028
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 2: You take Malik Neighbors, awesome rookie year, stud player, no

2029
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,799
Speaker 2: doubt about it. Everybody sits there and says, one hundred

2030
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,600
Speaker 2: percent of this guy has a stud. Where did it

2031
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 2: get the Giants?

2032
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Joe All, even playing out of position, had a

2033
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: hell of a year for the Chargers. Yeah, damn good

2034
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: player for the Charger.

2035
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 2: Really good player. All right, let's uh, there's one other

2036
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 2: email here I wanted to to get to. Oh. Here

2037
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:20,879
Speaker 2: it is from about Wes Welker. So you know the emailer,

2038
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 2: this is Sam from Saint Catherine's just asked, you know

2039
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: what makes it what makes Wes Welker any different from

2040
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 2: Troy Brown. You know, Wes Welker just got fired by

2041
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins as their wide receivers coach. Is he

2042
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 2: just another Troy Brown reducts the guy that we just

2043
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 2: like because he's a former player. Here, I would say

2044
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 2: that he's pretty different from Troy Brown, mainly because he

2045
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: went outside the circle of trust and he went to

2046
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 2: San Francisco, he went with Mike McDaniel to Miami. He's

2047
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 2: been in different systems, he's coached in different places under

2048
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 2: different offensive minded head coaches. So I think that he's

2049
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 2: got a more well rounded sort of experience and resume.

2050
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 2: That would make me a little bit more excited. And

2051
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 2: I think he's had his groups have had some more success. Now,

2052
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 2: maybe he's had more talent. You could definitely make that argument,

2053
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,759
Speaker 2: but I just look at his experience with the Shanahan Tree,

2054
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 2: with Shanahan himself and with Mike McDaniel. You know, Trey

2055
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 2: Brown never did that. He never went outside the nest.

2056
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 1: And I also think, look, I've never been in a

2057
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: meeting room with either of them, but some guy like

2058
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: there's no correlation between how good of a player you

2059
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: are and how good of a coach you are. There's

2060
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 1: some guys that were not good players that are great coaches,

2061
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 1: and there's some Honestly, sometimes the great players can't coach

2062
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 1: because there's things that come naturally to them that you know,

2063
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 1: they don't know how to teach because it comes naturally them.

2064
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 1: So everybody's a different level of teacher, which is at

2065
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 1: the end of the day with this is and I've

2066
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 1: never been in a room with them, but you look

2067
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 1: at the way Wes Welker's guys have developed, you look

2068
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 1: at the lack of development they had here, and I

2069
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: kind of feel like maybe Wes Welker's just personality wise,

2070
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: whatever he's doing to get that message across, he might

2071
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: just be a better teacher.

2072
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I just lost it. There's another email

2073
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 2: in here about, oh, some of the the staffers that

2074
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 2: from last year, any of those guys sticking on, you know,

2075
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington Alex Van Peltissa McCartney, Brian Belichick, Mike Pellegrino.

2076
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 2: So I'll say this about Van Pelt. I don't have

2077
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 2: any I don't know if he's coming there, going quite yet.

2078
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 2: There's some stuff on Twitter. I don't know if that's true.

2079
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 2: But your crossing languages right, like, and I understand that.

2080
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 2: We're all we're impressed by the job that Van Pelt

2081
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 2: did with Drake May and with Joe Milton.

2082
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 1: He deserves credit for it.

2083
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 2: He deserves credit for it, no doubt. If Drake May

2084
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 2: goes on in five years and he's Josh Allen, we're

2085
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 2: gonna say avp did a good job as rookie year.

2086
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 2: He deserves credit for getting it started. He's Mark Jackson

2087
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 2: to Steve Kerr. Sorry, but if first of all, it's

2088
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 2: like your crossing languages, right, We're still football, but we're

2089
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 2: like talking like, you know, French and Spanish here with

2090
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 2: the offensive languages. So how does that work out? How

2091
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 2: does his terminology, his fundamentals left foot forward like all

2092
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: that stuff? How does that fit in Josh mcdaniels's system.

2093
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 2: The second thing, you don't hire Josh McDaniels to have

2094
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 2: somebody else run the quarterback. Josh McDaniels is coaching the quarterback.

2095
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:20,560
Speaker 2: It's his show. He's head coach offense. He's going to

2096
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 2: run the quarterback. He's going to have the quarterbacks the year.

2097
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 2: He's going to be attached to Drake May's hip. And

2098
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 2: that's how it should go because he's the play caller, just

2099
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 2: like AVP was last year. You want the play caller

2100
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 2: to be the one that's running the quarterback. You don't

2101
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 2: want it to be somebody else. And as much as

2102
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 2: I give AVP a ton of credit for what he did,

2103
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 2: I just think that there's no real connection there. Like

2104
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 2: you're just crossing streams. It's not gonna make sense. I

2105
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 2: don't think that that's a great way to go. Nothing

2106
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 2: against either guy, I just don't think that's a great

2107
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 2: way to go. The one name on this list that

2108
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 2: I feel that I would really like to keep it,

2109
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 2: I think you agree is Pelgrino. Yep, you know. I

2110
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 2: think that he is a really good cornerbacks coach, has

2111
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 2: been a really good cornerbacks coach if they even wanted

2112
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 2: to promote him to like pass game coordinator is now popular.

2113
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:08,640
Speaker 2: On the other side of the ball, you have a

2114
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 2: run game coordinator, pass game coordinator, defensive coordinator. Just like

2115
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 2: on the offensive side or even secondary coach, where you're

2116
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 2: coaching the whole room, you're coaching safeties and corners, you

2117
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 2: could do that as well. I would definitely try to

2118
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 2: keep pel Greener around.

2119
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: I would too.

2120
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 2: Is any of those other guys you know McCarty.

2121
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean you figure McCartney goes with Van pell Yeah,

2122
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: you know Covington, what's his role. He's not gonna take

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Speaker 1: it the motion, so yeah, probably not. It's just just

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Speaker 1: just Pelgrian and Brian Belichick. If he's around two, I

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Speaker 1: think he's done a good job. I'd keep him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: okay if you can.

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Speaker 2: Safety room had a tough time last year, but a

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01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 2: lot of that was decimated by injuries, injuries, off field stuff,

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01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 2: like not a ton of it was was necessarily in

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Speaker 2: his control. All right, Jesse is in the car. What's up, Jesse? Jesse?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Going once? All right? Call us back, get you back

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Speaker 2: on there Herejzeus is in Denver? What's up? Hezeus?

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 6: I know it's gonna sound like a dumb question, but

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Speaker 6: no dumb questions. Josh McDaniels, like totally hate Drake Main

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01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 6: and switch his quarterback because he does have a track

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Speaker 6: record of doing that.

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Speaker 2: Zero point zero, I would ask, and there's no dumb questions.

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean to like say that like it

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01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 2: was a dumb question, but zero point zero, Drake May

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01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 2: is the quarterback here. He's the future of the franchise here.

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Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, I'm sure is giddy about working with Drake

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Speaker 2: kay Uh And I would be if I was. If

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Speaker 2: I was him, I mean that that guy's a ball

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01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 2: of clay. Like that's a lot of fun. Like I

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01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,839
Speaker 2: said earlier with the Cheesecake Factory analogy, you can call anything.

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01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 2: You can call RPO, you can call quarterback run, you

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01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 2: can move the pocket, you can drop back pass, you

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01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 2: can play action pass, you can gun action like, you

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01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 2: can literally do anything. You can do anything at your

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01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 2: disposal with Dre May. That's gotta be music to Josh

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Speaker 2: mcdaniels's ears. I think that would be really exciting. We

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01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 2: had another email from a long long time listener Alex

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01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 2: because this person I'm trying to find it has been

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01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 2: listening for so long that he remembers something that I

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01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 2: said on a Clintons podcast in twenty twenty two, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty about the Cam Newton offense. So we're going back aways,

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01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 2: he said, and that he's been listening for a long

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Speaker 2: time to us. So he said, I remember listening to

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01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 2: Evan back in twenty twenty saying that the McDaniels offense

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01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 2: with Cam seemed a little disjointed, like he tried to

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01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 2: attach his traditional drop back passing game. I'll au Brady

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01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 2: to specialized quarterback run package. Was that an issue with

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Speaker 2: McDaniels or because of you know, Cam's limitations, COVID all

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01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. It's a really good question, Andrew

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01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 2: from Lincoln, who I know you're an avid listener. We

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Speaker 2: really do appreciate that because twenty twenty you're going.

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01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,799
Speaker 1: Back way back. In fact, you were listening that closely

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Speaker 1: during that season with everything that was going on.

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01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, I love it. In terms of the question,

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01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 2: it's a good question, and there is an element of

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01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 2: that that you're basically taking this option package that exists,

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Speaker 2: you know, because of the type of quarterback that you have,

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Speaker 2: and now you're going to try to marry it and

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01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 2: pair it with a more traditional approach of even under

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Speaker 2: center or drop back pass or whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 2: I would at least be cautiously optimistic at the time

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Speaker 2: right now that it will work because Drake made is

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Speaker 2: such a better passer than Cam Newton was in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: and I think he's going to be fully capable and

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Speaker 2: operational running a traditional drop back passing game like Josh

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Speaker 2: McDaniel's runs. So I'm a little bit more optimistic because

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Speaker 2: of that. But if it does, the one thing that

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01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 2: you could see concerned about, I suppose, is that they

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01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 2: kind of get stuck in between, right do they want

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01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:58,839
Speaker 2: to be this Cliff Kingsbury, Jid and Daniels option offense

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01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 2: or do they want to be the Brady offense? And

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01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 2: you gotta get content in between a little.

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Speaker 1: The one other thing I'd say to remember about the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty season being disjointed, not only did they not

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Speaker 1: have a spring, Cam Newton didn't sign here until July eight, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so they didn't have a ton of time to put

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Speaker 1: stuff together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just that whole thing felt like it was kind

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Speaker 1: of thrown together the last minute because it was essentially

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Speaker 1: what it was. So, you know, we referenced to Cam

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Speaker 1: Newton offense, but the idea is now you have more

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Speaker 1: time that's gonna be put into it. There was gonna

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Speaker 1: have more time to work on it. They didn't have

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Speaker 1: a spring that year. They abbreviated training camp because of COVID.

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01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 1: We're just kind of using that as a reference point

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01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 1: more than like, this is what they should do.

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Speaker 2: It's fun. It's an interesting way to look at it

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01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 2: in terms of combining sort of two very different philosophies

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01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 2: into one. And I think what is so intriguing about

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01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 2: it is that because McDaniels is a really good game

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Speaker 2: planner and very versatile and very you know, fluid in

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01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 2: terms of his approach, like it doesn't have to always

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01:44:58,200 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 2: be every single week, we're gonna run a bunch of

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01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,679
Speaker 2: our right, like, you know, some weeks, maybe they're playing

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01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 2: a team that they just feel like they have an

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01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,680
Speaker 2: advantage there that they can do that sort of thing,

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01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 2: and then they can also play the other way if

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01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 2: they have to. Ultimately, at the end of the day,

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01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:15,599
Speaker 2: with any offense who drop backs past the best wins

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl every single year. It's just you know,

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01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 2: we go back. We always argue about the forty nine

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Speaker 2: Ers Super Bowl. A couple of years ago at Jimmy

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01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 2: Garoppolo against the Chiefs. What happened. They got into the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter. One team could drop back pass at a

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Speaker 2: high level. The other team couldn't.

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Speaker 1: The team was still drop back passing.

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Speaker 2: Yea, And that decided the Super Bowl. It decides the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl every single year when all the bells and

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01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 2: whistles are gone, when the scheme and the play actions

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01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 2: and the motions and all that kind of stuff. When

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01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 2: all that fades away and it's the fourth quarter, you

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01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:51,599
Speaker 2: four minutes to go and you're down three points, can

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01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 2: you matriculate down the field?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 2: Can you find that? And that That's where the Patriots

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01:45:57,240 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 2: need to get to. That's why, as much as I

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01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 2: didn't mean to to totally scoff at you with your

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01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 2: Joe Milton package, like, that's why that's so important to

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Speaker 2: me because if you just look across the board, you know,

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01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 2: passer rating, differential drop BACKDPA like all those types of things,

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Speaker 2: the teams that are at the top of those lists

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Speaker 2: every single year, the teams that win. It's really that's

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01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 2: the league. So I'm excited to see what McDaniels does

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01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 2: with Drake may in that respect, because I think that

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01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 2: he's really good, those types of things. Before we wrap

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01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 2: it up, I do want to talk a little bit

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01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,560
Speaker 2: about next week going to the Senior Bowl. We do

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01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 2: have a little bit of AFC East breaking news that

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01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 2: I wanted to touch on to. So just now coming

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01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 2: across from Adam Schefter and Ian Rapaport, Aaron Glenn has

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01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 2: been named the head coach of the New York Jets.

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Speaker 1: OK.

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01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 2: So he is going to be the Jets head coach.

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01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 2: So we now have the AFC East carousel is over.

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01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:52,599
Speaker 2: The Jets hire Aaron Glenn, the Patriots hire Mike Rabel. Obviously,

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01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 2: McDaniel and Sean McDermott are still in their respective homes

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Speaker 2: in Miami and Buffalo. So just a quick reaction on

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Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn in the division.

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Speaker 1: He had a hell of a year. It was one

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01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 1: year he'd a hell of a year. Is he that

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01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: different than Robert Sala Philosophically? I still think the Jets

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01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: kind of stepped in it firing solid. He was not

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01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:17,760
Speaker 1: the issue. But we'll see, what do We got three

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01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: defensive coaches in the division now, and you know, the

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01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 1: one offensive coach should probably be on his way out soon.

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01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:26,839
Speaker 2: It's interesting, nice, it's interesting.

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01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 1: Should he not be. I mean, I'm sorry. The team

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01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: can't beat they don't beat good teams, and that's not

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01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 1: older like statistically, look at their record against teams over

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01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,800
Speaker 1: five hundred. I don't see how you stick with him

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01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 1: that much longer. It's organizational malpractice.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting because the Jets, usually I mentioned at

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01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 2: the top of the show, usually flop, right, you go

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01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 2: from a defensive guy to an offensive guy, or a

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01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 2: culture guy to a hard ass or whatever the case may.

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01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 1: I guess they did go non former player to former player, but.

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01:47:57,120 --> 01:48:00,479
Speaker 2: The Jets literally just hired the same guy out. They

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01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:03,839
Speaker 2: run a different, much different scheme. Aaron Glenn in Detroit

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01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 2: is a man blitzer, Like he comes after quarterbacks with

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01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:08,719
Speaker 2: the blitz. He plays man to man coverage.

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Speaker 1: In terms of that, you could not be more pressures

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01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 1: on for Sauce Gardner.

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01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 2: You cannot be more polar opposite in terms of that.

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01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:16,680
Speaker 2: But what I think is funny about it is is

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01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 2: that there's zero point zero percent of a chance that

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01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,600
Speaker 2: Woody Johnson has any idea what I'm talking about right, Like,

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01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 2: there's there's no way that Woody Johnson is hiring a

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01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:29,640
Speaker 2: coach and being like so what's your scheme, what's your philosophy?

2287
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 2: He looks on madd but no way. So that guy

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01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:36,599
Speaker 2: has no clue. So basically what we're we're getting at

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01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 2: here is that once again the Jets are hiring a

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01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 2: culture building, defensive coach, which there's what they've done for

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01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 2: one hundred years, like Rex, Ryan, Robert Sala like, go

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01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 2: right on down the line, heavy.

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01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 1: It was the culture builder, Eric Mangini, man Genie like.

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01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 2: Who who was in between Rex and Sala because obviously

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01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 2: there was somebody.

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01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,679
Speaker 1: No, oh no, that was different. They tried an offensive

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01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 1: coach and they hired Adam Gase, which might be the

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01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 1: worst off for all.

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Speaker 2: I maybe that's what's squared them off from the offensive guys.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Adam, I would not blame them for that,

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01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 1: for how bad of a coach he was. Do you

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01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 1: think there's a chance offensive coaches didn't want to go

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01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 1: there because they didn't want to work with Rogers.

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01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,519
Speaker 2: It's possible. I just like I said, you usually see

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01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 2: teams flip flop philosophy, and I'm surprised. I'm surprised that

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01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 2: the Jets looked at their situation and said, you know what,

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01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 2: we need a defensive coordinator.

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01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Also, what is now five coaches in the NFL or

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01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: coaching teams they played for Rabel, Glenn, Campbell, Ryan's and

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01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 1: there's one more. Who am I missing.

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01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 3: There is?

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01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: I think, oh Harbaugh?

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01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:48,839
Speaker 2: Harbor so quickly on the Jets they went from.

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01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 1: Start at Belichick, start at Belichick and go from there.

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01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 1: Let's do the last twenty five years.

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01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 2: So they went from parcels up defensive guy to Belichick

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01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 2: for like a week, Belichick for a week. Is this

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01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:07,719
Speaker 2: al grow? Yeah? So Algro coach one season Herm Edwards,

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01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 2: who I believe is offensive guy, right, I wanted to say,

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01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 2: uh no, Herm Edwards coach defensive backs and then was

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01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 2: a defensive Yeah.

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01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 1: Guys like when I started watching football.

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01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Herm Edwards was a defensive guy. Eric Man

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01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:27,519
Speaker 2: genius defensive guy. Of course Notorious was the defensive guy

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01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 2: by the way too, Rex Ryan defensive Todd Bowles defensive

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01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 2: forgot they had Todd Bowles, two years of Adam Gase,

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01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 2: Robert Sala and now Aaron Glenn. So really from for

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01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:45,479
Speaker 2: our like football watching lifetime, which I I start with

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01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:47,639
Speaker 2: like the late nineties, I think both in the same

2330
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 2: category with Bill Parcells with the Jets our football lifetime.

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01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:55,600
Speaker 2: The Jets have had a defensive minded head coach for

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01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 2: all but two seasons.

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Speaker 1: And you could argue those two seasons that offensive coach

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01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 1: didn't really no offense either.

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01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 2: So to say that they have a type as an understatement,

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01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 2: they certainly have a type. And that's interesting.

2337
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,639
Speaker 1: I Aaron Peek Carroll coached the Jets.

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01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:13,679
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, he did coach the Jets for a year. Yeah.

2339
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 2: They AARONN.

2340
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 1: Holt.

2341
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:20,240
Speaker 2: I'm not like crazy about Aaron Glenn. I'm not gonna lie.

2342
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 2: I understand that he has some some good traits as

2343
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 2: like a culture builder, intense guy, like gets good players

2344
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 2: to play for him. All like that game plan against

2345
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 2: the Commanders when anybody Paul, let's blitz him again, let's

2346
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,320
Speaker 2: play Manton mannon. We'll blitz Jaden Daniels another time. Like,

2347
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 2: come on, like, you gotta do something different. Even Brady

2348
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 2: of all people called it out at halftime, mister like,

2349
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 2: I don't say anything to ruffle anybody's feathers. Yeah said

2350
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 2: at halftime, maybe mix in some zone. Aaron Glenn never did.

2351
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 1: Look, I think there's some upside with Aaron Glenn just

2352
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:56,680
Speaker 1: in general as a coach that's a terrible fit for

2353
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 1: him and for the team. It's a bad fit and

2354
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:03,160
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate for him because you only get so many chances,

2355
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:04,400
Speaker 1: especially for your defensive coach.

2356
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what it does with Aaron Rodgers and

2357
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 2: that whole situation. Like, if Aaron Rodgers is gonna be back,

2358
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 2: if the Jets are now quarterback team, who he hires

2359
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,760
Speaker 2: his offensive coordinator? I'm sure he has something to be right. Well,

2360
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 2: I think Instan's are going to replace Ben Johnson, so

2361
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 2: I think that he's already earmarked by Dan Campbell as

2362
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 2: their replacement. So maybe it's like a Mark Brunell or

2363
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 2: someone else from that that tree. We'll see, But it's

2364
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:31,519
Speaker 2: it's an interesting hire. It's so Jets, like, is this

2365
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:33,320
Speaker 2: any different than Todd Bowles or Roberts.

2366
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 1: It's it's very Jets. Well he played, It's the one

2367
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 1: difference is he played? Yeah, that's that's what you're banking on.

2368
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 1: I guess, all right, Jets real quick on that. Would

2369
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: you think of Liam Cohen turning down the Jags? Good

2370
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:43,680
Speaker 1: for him?

2371
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:46,120
Speaker 2: I thought it was good for him. I don't think

2372
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 2: it's a horrible situation necessarily because you do have Trevor

2373
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 2: and you do have some talent on that roster, but

2374
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's ready. And I think that

2375
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:56,839
Speaker 2: there should, This should be more normal and more accepted

2376
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 2: that Ben Johnson did it now it went the other

2377
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 2: way for Bobby Slowick. He did and it blew up

2378
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 2: in his face. But you look at Liam Cohen. He's

2379
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,599
Speaker 2: bounced around from college to pro's college, to pro's college

2380
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:13,680
Speaker 2: to pros. He needs some experience at the NFL. He

2381
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 2: needs to not just coordinating, but yeah, leading a room,

2382
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 2: leading a building, understanding head coach responsibilities. Good for him,

2383
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 2: It will come for him eventually, just because he's such

2384
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:26,759
Speaker 2: a great offensive mind, like he'll figure it out eventually.

2385
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you. The league's gotten so far ahead in

2386
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 1: the offense, especially the offensid of the hiring process. You'll

2387
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:33,759
Speaker 1: see quarterbacks coaches interviewing for head coaching jobs and stuff

2388
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 1: like that. It needs to slow down for the betterman

2389
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 1: of the league, for the betterment of these coaches. The

2390
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 1: reason the league is a coaching problem right now, and

2391
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 1: that's part of it. I didn't think it would be

2392
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 1: the coaches taking the lead and slowing it down. I

2393
01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:45,599
Speaker 1: thought it would be the lead. But like you said,

2394
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowick, now Liam Cohen, good for them

2395
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:49,760
Speaker 1: for waiting for the right opportunity.

2396
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 2: I could be totally wrong about Ben Johnson, you know,

2397
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:54,360
Speaker 2: he's my guy. I could be totally wrong. He could

2398
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 2: stink in Chicago, Okay, but I give him a lot

2399
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 2: of credit for holding his wire waiting, and my guess,

2400
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 2: my gut says that it's going to pay huge dividends

2401
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 2: for him. I think he's going to be a much

2402
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 2: much better HEADCA It can't hurt than it would have

2403
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:11,599
Speaker 2: been two years ago because he waited.

2404
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can't hurt.

2405
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always good. Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff?

2406
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:17,400
Speaker 4: Hey, what's going on?

2407
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 1: Guys? Hey?

2408
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 4: Hey, so, uh, it's been busy the last few weeks,

2409
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 4: so I'm not able to call in, but I wanted

2410
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 4: to give you an update on the Manhattan Project.

2411
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 2: Nice.

2412
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we won. Boy, let's go all right, let's go.

2413
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 3: To win.

2414
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 4: That's literally all.

2415
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 1: I have, you know, fantasy the only Fantasy football update.

2416
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 2: Can it be the Manhattan Project after Week eighteen? Like

2417
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 2: it's out of the bag.

2418
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 1: Now, right, I Mean it's like nickname, I know, but

2419
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, everybody knows, all right.

2420
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:57,800
Speaker 2: I wanted to wrap it with a little senior bolltalk.

2421
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 2: So I'm going to Mobile next week for the Senior Bowl.

2422
01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 2: I'm excited. Obviously the prospects will be there. I'm also interested,

2423
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 2: and I'll definitely report back on the show next week.

2424
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 2: Who from the Patriots is gonna be there. I think

2425
01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 2: the head coach is gonna be there. We'll see if

2426
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 2: the coordinators are with him. It'd be interesting.

2427
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 1: You know, McDaniels used to go.

2428
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 2: I think he did towards the end when the Bill

2429
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:22,200
Speaker 2: was supposed to be opening his world to him, remember

2430
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:25,000
Speaker 2: that whole period of time. I think he did towards

2431
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 2: the end. As a defensive minded guy in Vrabel, you

2432
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 2: would think he would want that offensive coordinator with him

2433
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 2: to kind of give some input. You know, last year

2434
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 2: AVP and Ben McAdoo and those guys all went to

2435
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 2: Pro Day's and stuff like that to kind of be

2436
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:44,840
Speaker 2: that offensive, you know, focus on that side when they

2437
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,360
Speaker 2: were watching the quarterbacks. So I wouldn't be surprised if

2438
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 2: McDaniel's there. I'm sure Ryan Cowden will be there, Stretch

2439
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:54,440
Speaker 2: will definitely be there. All the guys will be there.

2440
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 2: So that'd be cool from that perspective, but also just

2441
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 2: from a prospect perspective, really good again by Jim Nagy,

2442
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, does a great job putting together the Senior

2443
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:07,200
Speaker 2: Bowl roster. And what's great about it is is that

2444
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 2: we all know the guys at the top of the draft,

2445
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 2: right we all know Abdul Carter, Kelvin Banks, Will Campbell,

2446
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:17,040
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan, Mason Graham, we all know those names, Travis Hunter.

2447
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 2: The Senior Bowl roster this year is the tackles and

2448
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:26,200
Speaker 2: the receivers are like all that second and third tier

2449
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:28,840
Speaker 2: right now, are going to be going from let's say

2450
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:31,880
Speaker 2: pick twenty five to pick fifty five, right that are

2451
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 2: right in that sweet spot for the Patriots at thirty eight.

2452
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:38,360
Speaker 2: So we'll really be able to get into and you know,

2453
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 2: kind of splice together where I feel and you feel,

2454
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:46,959
Speaker 2: you know, guys like Restrepo and the kid from Stanford,

2455
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 2: the receiver from Stanford. All the tackles are going to

2456
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:51,840
Speaker 2: be there that are going to be in that range

2457
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 2: of the draft as well. So I'm really looking forward

2458
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,440
Speaker 2: to being able to kind of start to stack that

2459
01:56:57,640 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 2: part of the board because I've already done some homework

2460
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 2: on the top of the draft. Started doing that in

2461
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 2: like November. But I don't have as much knowledge about

2462
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:09,080
Speaker 2: those Day two guys, like the prime Day two guys

2463
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 2: last year. You know, Lad McConkey was there and he

2464
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 2: was a stud at Mobile and he's a stud for

2465
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 2: the Chargers, Right, So you start to find some of

2466
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 2: those guys. Is I'm sure you're writing up some sort

2467
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,040
Speaker 2: of a preview at some point on your end for

2468
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl for Shrine all that. Is there anybody

2469
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:27,600
Speaker 2: that thing you want to plug or anybody that you're

2470
01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 2: looking at.

2471
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll have beginning of next week on honey, if

2472
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 1: I was sports sub dot comments, what is it practice

2473
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:35,120
Speaker 1: or Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? Right, Yes, okay, so I'll have

2474
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:38,920
Speaker 1: something up on Monday or Tuesday morning. But yeah, wide

2475
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 1: receivers and tackles. I think that's the big focus. I

2476
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:43,360
Speaker 1: don't think a ton of the top edge rushers or

2477
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:45,360
Speaker 1: that even that second tier edg rushers are going.

2478
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I don't know how many of those guys.

2479
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 2: And you always get there and like a few guys

2480
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 2: like decide not to participate and only do like you know,

2481
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:57,280
Speaker 2: interviews and stuff like that with teams but I just

2482
01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:00,160
Speaker 2: know that there's a lot of people early date two

2483
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 2: prospects that are going to be there in Mobile next week.

2484
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 2: So we'll do a show next week. We've got to

2485
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 2: hammer down a time, probably sometime in the later afternoon,

2486
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 2: just because we'll have morning practices and things like that

2487
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, but it'll probably be closer to a later

2488
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:19,680
Speaker 2: afternoon start than our normal noon start, and you'll be

2489
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 2: here to host it here from the mother Ship, and

2490
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 2: we'll get into a Senior Bowl and Mobile. It'll be

2491
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:27,960
Speaker 2: fun because you know, we've talked a lot about coaches,

2492
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about hiring, you know, coordinators and

2493
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So now it kind of

2494
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:36,280
Speaker 2: feels like that's behind us and we'll really start to

2495
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,880
Speaker 2: get into the off season and the personnel side of

2496
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:41,480
Speaker 2: things and the players. So we'll be back next week

2497
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 2: for that show. We'll be exciting, and then the following

2498
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 2: week we'll I'm sure talk a lot more about it

2499
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:49,680
Speaker 2: when we're both together again. But until the end, signing

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01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:52,120
Speaker 2: off for Alex Bart, I'm Evan Lazarre. Thanks for watching,

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01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:54,720
Speaker 2: thanks for listening, and we'll see you guys next week.

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01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:57,800
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