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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode thirty two. Our guess is

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Speaker 1: Brian O'Connell who your official title is the President of

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Speaker 1: Country Touring at Live Nation. Is that right? Basic? Basically,

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Speaker 1: what it is is if there's a guy that puts

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Speaker 1: on a festival or a major concert tour, you're the guy.

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Speaker 1: And that's I mean, you're the guy. It's someone when

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Speaker 1: someone asks who's the guy, you're the guy. And I

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Speaker 1: think as we talked about this for a minute, people

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Speaker 1: will start to learn because this is something that much

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Speaker 1: like a producer of a television show, even a director

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Speaker 1: of a film, people don't know the importance of these

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Speaker 1: little these clogs until they start to hear what actually

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Speaker 1: goes into it. And I think your job is actually

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Speaker 1: that and so uh, some of the festivals that you

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Speaker 1: to help me with some of these. I know you

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Speaker 1: do faster Horses, you do a watershed lake in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Some of the artists that you do are Blake and Jason,

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Speaker 1: then Urban and Luke and Paisley Flat to my point, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: My point is it's done for about eighteen years. You've

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Speaker 1: done a lot, and I mean you're not even a

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Speaker 1: hundred on the And you're a huge Cubs fan, which

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Speaker 1: we were in Chicago at the same time a lot

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Speaker 1: of the times um during the World Series, and I

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Speaker 1: was just like, and I'd see you there, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah you can walk, No, you could, you couldn't. And

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Speaker 1: I knew you guys were there, and it was everything

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Speaker 1: that I could do to get into Wrigley Field and

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Speaker 1: to get to the seat. And we wound up getting

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Speaker 1: there for the World Series games and the and the

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Speaker 1: actually all the playoff games. We'd get there and I

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Speaker 1: would it would be like the gates would open. I'd

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Speaker 1: It seemed like waiting for the first pitch. The standing

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Speaker 1: room was so full because they would sell it that

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Speaker 1: it was even hard to walk around in the stadium.

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Speaker 1: It was nearly impossible. So you're a huge Cups spand

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Speaker 1: which is the bonus. And today was a big day

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Speaker 1: were at the White House today, which is in our lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Last time was if they would have done it, Teddy Roosevelt.

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Speaker 1: But in our lifetime, it hasn't happened. In our parents lifetimes,

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Speaker 1: they lost, you know, but we're talking nineteen forty five.

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Speaker 1: I mean you were born in what around. I was

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Speaker 1: born in sixty five. Okay, it was twenty years before

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Speaker 1: futility was amazing. You travel a lot. You have like

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Speaker 1: a Notre Dame bush. The bus that I'm on, yes,

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Speaker 1: funny story with that. Um. I like to do something unique. Um.

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Speaker 1: Kind of in everything that I do, there's always a

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Speaker 1: Dame when we got the bus and we were sitting

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Speaker 1: there talking about it. What are we gonna do? What

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Speaker 1: but they all kind of looked the same. There's a

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Speaker 1: it was cool, and he just kind of shook his

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Speaker 1: You know that you need a bust. I mean, could

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Speaker 1: you travel? How many days a year you think you travel? Uh?

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Speaker 1: It last year it was forty six weeks. I was,

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Speaker 1: I was gone. So I leave tomorrow night, um, and

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Speaker 1: sacred Um. Other than that pretty much booked through. It'll be,

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Speaker 1: early artist. You brought up Brooks and Dunne for eighteen years. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what they're trying to sell to.

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Speaker 1: you know, the Five Families. There was you know, Cellar

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Speaker 1: So the like regional people and very famous you know

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Speaker 1: And the worst part about it was he told me

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Speaker 1: moving to Fort Lauderdale with a two month old for

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Speaker 1: Stones who pink Floid and a promoter like for people

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Speaker 1: and like a couple of senterz, what does a promoter do? Oh? Um?

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Speaker 1: A traditional an off promoter um is offered a date

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Speaker 1: to play Fort Lauderdale, Florida, you call that your agent

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Speaker 1: this band that wants to play. Do you know, will

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Speaker 1: You lie and you say, of course I do if

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Speaker 1: I think we can make thirty cents. Yeah, of course

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Speaker 1: it's my favorite band in the world. Um. Then you

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Speaker 1: play at this place, whether it's a club, a theater, arena, stadium, field, wherever,

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Speaker 1: and you make an offer. And that's how that works.

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Speaker 1: So does that mean that you are finding the people

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Speaker 1: to front the money. We are the people that front.

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Speaker 1: So you in the early days, you're working for someone

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Speaker 1: Live Nation. Correct love Live Nation, by the way, deep

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Speaker 1: in my heart love Live Nation. And so you front

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Speaker 1: the money and then it's like it's a an investment.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say bet, but yeah, it's a bet.

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Speaker 1: It's like if I'm gonna spend five dollars to buy

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Speaker 1: the country music realm even back into college. But at

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Speaker 1: didn't deal with country. Country was kind of done in house.

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Speaker 1: So I suggested to Jack Hey in my spare time,

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Speaker 1: Lauderdale and I'm now your guy. And they went, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, I remember, I remember the show.

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Speaker 1: more involved. So it was, you know, Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, Pensacola.

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Speaker 1: then you were taking the money spending it on them,

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Speaker 1: and they were making you money more times than not, correct,

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Speaker 1: and it just led to more and more activity. They

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Speaker 1: a relationship has formed inside of the promotion business. Correct.

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Speaker 1: And so for you say, eighteen years you work to

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Speaker 1: not the least of which was a greater um scope

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Speaker 1: So I used to tease everybody, they say, what do

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Speaker 1: Whatever Jack says is what I would do, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, made up of small squares and the middle

426
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Speaker 1: one doesn't work, and you're going, oh boy. But I'll

427
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Speaker 1: tell you what. The thing that the people don't understand

428
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: is the level of sophistication that crew guys have been

429
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Speaker 1: and women. Um, the technical coal expertise that these people

430
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: have baffles me on a daily basis. And I'm not

431
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: blowing smoke. I'm going I'm looking at this thing. I

432
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: can't get my television to turn on. Okay, I'm not

433
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: afraid to say it. I don't know what the you know,

434
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Speaker 1: you know, you walk me up to look at your

435
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: little soundboard right there. I could probably figure it out,

436
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: because I've got I'm not an idiot. But you get

437
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: into some of these digital panels and digital consoles and

438
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: digital monitors and whatnot, and it's like, oh god, you know,

439
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: I can't get my my MacBook to reboot. But these

440
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: people they don't. I haven't seen anybody freak out in

441
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: a long time. They have a level of expertise that

442
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: makes it so they go, Okay, I know how to

443
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: get to that um, and they do it and they

444
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Speaker 1: take pride in it. So I really haven't seen a

445
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: I've seen it fail, but I've also seen it fixed,

446
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: and it's of the time it's fixed. Have we had

447
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: to to shuck things off stage? Absolutely? Absolutely. Are there

448
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: times where people come, oh, I want all this pyro,

449
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: but and I'm sure insurance that the more pyro, the

450
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: more insurance, is that it really not really I mean yes,

451
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: but it's not really a deterrent one pyro all pyro.

452
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: If there's one thing that blows up, everything blows up, Um, yeah,

453
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: it's not a it's it's not necessarily a if you

454
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Speaker 1: have you know, flashpots or you know whatever whatever different

455
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: types of pyro that there are. Once you've got it,

456
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: you've got so um. Is it technically tougher. It's hardest

457
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: on the band. It's hardest on the band because you know,

458
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: you're standing there playing bass blowing up all around, and

459
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: you in your mind wanders and you miss and you're

460
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: not paying attention to where you are in X song

461
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: and all the sudden thing blows up right next time.

462
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: You really have to be aware of that, don't. Oh yeah,

463
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: have you have you heard? Have been there when the

464
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: accents babined um. I've never seen a nax. I've never

465
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: seen an accident. I've seen you know, I've seen various

466
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: band members come off stage unhappy, you know, because the shower,

467
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: the curtain, you know, the sparks curtain that comes down,

468
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, gets in their hair, and you know they're like,

469
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: am I on fire? Or am I not on the fire?

470
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: You've been on stage enough times wearing monitors. You're monitors.

471
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 1: You can't hear anything. You're in the bubble and you know,

472
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm standing two feet away from you.

473
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: And if the band is still playing, and you know,

474
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Speaker 1: you try to communicate with them, your hair is on fire.

475
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: They can't hear you. So you just kind of tap

476
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Speaker 1: them on the head. You stop dropping roll on. So, okay,

477
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Speaker 1: Bryan O'Connell is here and and that's basically a day

478
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Speaker 1: of show. That's a day of show. And I want

479
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Speaker 1: to get into festivals in a second. I want to

480
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Speaker 1: like a master chef. And so you're not a cook

497
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Speaker 1: at all, not not one of your many talents. I

498
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Speaker 1: can cook, but I just garbage? What what what are you?

499
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Speaker 1: What's your talent? What's my talent? I'd be surprised to

500
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Speaker 1: know that you blank boy, I guess my I don't know,

501
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: the only answer is is that if there's a game

502
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Speaker 1: to play, I'll play it. If there's a contest to have,

503
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Speaker 1: if you we keep if we can keep score, I'll

504
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Speaker 1: do it. You're just a competitor. I'm just I'm a

505
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Speaker 1: competitive black check. Yeah, if I have my choice, I'm not.

506
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Poker's too slow. It's too slow for me. That all

507
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: that all, just all of that looking around. Just give

508
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: me the cards. Was it add up to yes or no?

509
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: How does your like can be able close to you

510
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: when you're on the road forty weeks plus a year?

511
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: Do they like that? Um? Who? The artists know? Like

512
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: in your personal Oh? Um, we're used to it. I

513
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: mean the kids are gone, so you know I'm when

514
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I say I'm gone, I'm gone four days a week.

515
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: So it's no, I always I always explained to people.

516
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: You know, people think of that as a big number.

517
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: My father sold Cement in the nineteen forties, fifties, sixties,

518
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties. I guess it would have been and

519
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: he was gone. He left, you know, Monday morning and

520
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: came back Friday night. I'm just the opposite. I leave

521
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: Thursday night and come home Monday morning. So it's it's

522
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: not that big a deal. I want to play some

523
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: artists and just get your just you're you're taking these

524
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: guys personally, and I've you know, I know a lot

525
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: of these, if not all these guys here, and you've

526
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: worked closely with these guys for a long time. So

527
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: we'll start with I'm just Blake Shelton. Cow me about Blake.

528
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: Blake has not changed one bit since the first time

529
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: I met him. I mean, he was out with us

530
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: UM on Kicks and Rownnie Shows a bunch. I've done

531
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of headline days with Blake. But he's exactly

532
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: the same guy. You know, he may live in l

533
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: a h disproportionate amount of the time now, but he's

534
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: the same guy that I met, you know, back on

535
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: on Austin when Austin his his first single and the

536
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: Bullet Cowboy had Blake days. You've got to see Blake

537
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: as an opener. So and and this gonna be the

538
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: case with a lot of these guys, like you've seen

539
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: them grow from the tiny baby act to you know,

540
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: the arena act now. And so what's a young Blake

541
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: Shelton quiet? Really, yeah, real quiet? He was He was

542
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: quiet Um, he he my recollections of it. You know,

543
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: he was always fun to be around, but he you know,

544
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: he he kept himself. I mean, especially when you're just

545
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: starting out, you know, as a as a what we

546
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: call in Nashville a baby act. Um. You know, you

547
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: don't you're busy, you know because the whomever labels managers, agents,

548
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: whatever have you doing stuff all the time. And you

549
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: you you cruise up to the show and you're done

550
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: by you know, probably what seven fifty eight o'clock, and

551
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: then there's a lot of downtime. Um, either you leave

552
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: and go to the next gig, or you hang around.

553
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, Blake was always hanging around. Um, but he

554
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: you know, just he kind of kept to himself. All right,

555
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: let's move over to Brad. Paisley. Tell me about Brad.

556
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: I love this dude. He's he's amazing to me. I mean,

557
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: just the thing and going back to your question before,

558
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: and I think I can answer these questions easier. What's

559
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: my talent? If I had a talent, it's being able

560
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: to watch these acts when they first start out and go, Okay,

561
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: I see I see something beyond the song there, um, Paisley,

562
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: When I first started seeing Brad perform. It was obviously

563
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: the guitar playing. But he's just so funny. He's so dry,

564
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: and he will crack you up without even It's like

565
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't he didn't have to think. He's that funny.

566
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know that a lot of people know

567
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: how funny he is. He's a guy that when I

568
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: hang out with you gotta be on your toes and

569
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: that's rare, but I like to keep people on their

570
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: toes with Brad. I'm like, oh boy, did you sit

571
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: back and wait? Well, the the yeah, the the irn

572
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: of of Brad, who is is not a drinker having

573
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: an Irish pub in his house. It cracks me up.

574
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: So when Brad came up, he was known as the

575
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: guy that plays crazy guitar. Yeah, that was that was

576
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: obviously at the forefront, you know, um, but it was

577
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, it was not a um it wasn't It

578
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh my god, this guy can play but

579
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: he can't perform. It was, you know, wow, this thing,

580
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: this this guy crazy talented. And then when the music,

581
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, started to come together, look, you know, he exploded.

582
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Who did you see early? And I have a couple

583
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: of artists in mine and I've talked to you, but

584
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know your thoughts that you saw. They

585
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: were so good, but it just took a while because

586
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: it it just took a few songs before anything popped.

587
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: And then when it did, it finally popped. Um boy,

588
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: M well. I mean a great example would be Toby.

589
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, come out in two uh with um should

590
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: have been a cowboy. I think it was ninety two

591
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: most played song of the nineties. Um. And then it

592
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: would have been you know, then there were hits in between,

593
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: but it never took off. It was kind of slow

594
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: and steady, slow and steady, build build build build build,

595
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: and then how do you like me now? And then

596
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: it went crazy? Um. And the backstory on that everybody knows.

597
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like, you know, there's a guy

598
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: who's stuck to his principles and and and said, I'm

599
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be you know, you're Huckleberry, as

600
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: he would say. I don't know that everybody doesn't know

601
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: the backstory. I but I do. We do. I think

602
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: we're close to it. Tell the backstory that well. And

603
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm qualified to tell the backstory.

604
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: I can tell you, you know, I was. I remember

605
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: when it happened, and it kind of goes back into

606
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: crystallizing into that two thousand a year, Um, two thousand

607
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: one year that I was talking about with Kicks and Ranni,

608
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: we invented this thing called the Neon Circus, and um,

609
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: the invention of that was was kind of hysterical. But

610
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: when we went out to get support for that tour,

611
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: we were going to do this kind of all day

612
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: carnival thing and it was the Brooks and Duns Neon

613
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: Circus and wild West Show and Toby hadn't released how

614
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: Do You Like Me Now yet, and it was kind

615
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: of banging around town, you know, people were playing and

616
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: everybody had a copy of it. There was the whole

617
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: thing with Mercury I think it was at the time

618
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: and um DreamWorks where he went in and bought the

619
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: album back um with his own money and then went

620
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: over to DreamWorks. And nobody wanted him to release that song, uh,

621
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: because it was going to be offensive to somebody's or

622
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: women or whatever it was at the time, and uh,

623
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: he said, no, this is a hit. This is a

624
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: big old hit, and and he was right, and it

625
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: that that was the kind of thing that was. That's

626
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: one of those stories. That's one of those epic music

627
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: growth stories where an artist, you know, comes out he's

628
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: the most played artist of the nineties with a song

629
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: from and here we were and I guess it would

630
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: have been I'm you know, I'm within twelve months there, Um,

631
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: when how do you like Me? Now? Existed? And he

632
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, stuck his his foot in the ground and said, no,

633
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. If you don't like it,

634
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: I'll buy it and I'm gonna go do it myself

635
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: and and the rest was history. So we talk about

636
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: Toby as a guy again with Brad and with Toby.

637
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: I've got to open both of these guy and be

638
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: friends about these guys. So talk about Toby as the

639
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: dude and the man's man guys. Guy. Um, one of

640
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: the Yeah, he I it's a linebacker. Literally. It's always good.

641
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: We play a lot of basketball on the road, and

642
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean we we would joke. Um. It was me, him,

643
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: his tour manager or tour manager Mitch or his assistant

644
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: Mitch Kurt Motley who has been his agent forever. Um

645
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: and Scotty Emrick songwriter. That was our basketball team. And

646
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: we take on all comers and we would do just

647
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: throw the ball underneath. All right, let's move over to

648
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: oh Man. One of the guys that I've been closest

649
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: to is Darius. So talk about Darius for a second.

650
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: I met Darius in d C when in his previous

651
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: band UM, and he came up to the rock club scene.

652
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: You know, that was what ninety three, No. Ninety five.

653
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: So he was playing UM with with that band UM

654
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: in the clubs, you know, beating around South Carolina and

655
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: the you know, the Eastern Seaboard, and they were a

656
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: real popular UM kind of unsigned band. And then wow,

657
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: they put that record out and and took off. And

658
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: it was funny because I was doing a show. The

659
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: place was called the Bayou in d C. UM in Georgetown,

660
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: and I was doing the shows and you know, this

661
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: place held maybe five people, and um, I mean Dave

662
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: Matthews played there, you know, all that, all everything in

663
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: that era played at the Bayou, and um he he

664
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: actually took our production manager and took him on the

665
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: road with that with Hoodie and Globally and Rob Is

666
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: in the Carolinas. And then he came Rob came back

667
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: and was like, I ain't doing that anymore. He's like,

668
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: that is way too much fun. And but Darius is

669
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean Salts of the Earth Man. He's he's one

670
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: of our you know, one of the guys when we

671
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: go out for like for the a c M is

672
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: coming up in April. We've got a little group text,

673
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's like okay now and well, you know,

674
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: we all kind of appear at the blackjack table and

675
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: he's he's one of those guys that I you know,

676
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: every minute that you get to hang around with him,

677
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: you're better for it. You know. It's and I'm not

678
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm not being all you know, it's just fun. He's

679
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: a fun dude. What about Let's let's talk about a

680
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: guy like Eric Church's talking about a got the snow

681
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: for his live shows. Yeah, I mean Church playing live.

682
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: That's his wheelhouse on stage in front of the people.

683
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: Talking about Eric for a second. Well Eric, Um, it's

684
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: it's I'm glad you asked me about Eric because Eric

685
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: actually works with another guy. He doesn't work with me,

686
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: and I have, um, I have nothing but respect for him.

687
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you mentioned the faults. Eric played two

688
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: of the festivals last year, played the festivals that I created,

689
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: and I was so excited for Herrick Church to play

690
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: those festivals. I was nervous because I wanted to show him,

691
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: um that it's not just you know that that you

692
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: could do. You could curate a festival in a certain

693
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: way like artists centric and in he you know, I

694
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: think he was flying in, flying out because he really

695
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't work in last year. And I finally uh got

696
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: a chance to say or I said hi to him

697
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: at out of Watershed and uh, he was very complementary. Um.

698
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: And I you know, I asked him, I said, you know,

699
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: is it is it what? You you know? Was it

700
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: as as advertised? Because I had told I had sent

701
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: word back through Jay and and his management, you know,

702
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, please tell him I want his review of

703
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: the festival. And he said it was cool. You know,

704
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: he was very very complimentary. So you know, yeah, he's

705
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: all about the life gig and that connection that he

706
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: has his fans. He is never gonna go away. It's

707
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: not gonna ebb and flow with hit singles. Um, he's

708
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: done it. He's again there's a theme here. He's done

709
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: it his way. Um, and I think that's to be applauded.

710
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: Um and supported. But you know when we say that

711
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: Church is you know the live is live is the

712
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: thing with him, it's also about the album as as

713
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: a piece of art. You know, he's not that anybody

714
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: else isn't. But he really meticulously goes through that album

715
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: project UM, and if you read about it, it's you know,

716
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating project. It's kind of like a throwback

717
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: to you know what I would think, you know, the

718
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: Beatles were like or the Rolling Stones at a certain point,

719
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: we're like or one of those classic rock acts that

720
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm a giant fan of UM who put out records

721
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: that you know, we're about something and you know he's

722
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: just not putting out UM. There there's a theme that

723
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: runs through it is probably a her with me saying

724
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: what about someone like Keith Urban crazy talented? Right? He

725
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: was on that Neon Sarkist tour too, you're picking them all.

726
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: He was the opening actor. We just finished, Um what

727
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: I think was Keith's best tour that I've seen him do,

728
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: this Rip Chord tour. Um. He did an amazing job

729
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: of bringing that record and another album guy Okay, much

730
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: like Eric Um, but he really brought that album to

731
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: life on the Rip Chord tour UM in a way

732
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: that UM, he played a lot of that record early on.

733
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: Like first show was in Kansas City, and uh, I

734
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: remember seeing the set for the first time. It was

735
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: blazing hot and UM and he was out working out

736
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: through the final sound check and all that kind of stuff,

737
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: making sure all the all the stuff worked, UM and

738
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: just getting granular on the set list and you know,

739
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: flipping one song here and one song there and introducing that.

740
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: He wove that entire record Rip Chord into the show

741
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: and what I think turned out to be in an

742
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: amazing way because the song you're just playing blue UM.

743
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't released as a single until you know,

744
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: the fall of this past year. But the first tour

745
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: date on that was like in June, I think, I want.

746
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I think that was the beginning of it, UM, either

747
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: late May or June. UM. And it was right there

748
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: in the middle of the set unknown, you know, unknown.

749
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: You know, we still we live in this weird Nashville

750
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: world if you put the record out. But you know,

751
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: so the fifth single, you know, somehow becomes a new song.

752
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: You know, a year and a half later, I'll ask

753
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: you about Luke now, I think as they artist. Let's

754
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: talk about Luke Glass. Oh boy, um entertainer, I mean

755
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: he is. They're probably one of the most unique individuals

756
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: I've ever met. Well, he's he's thinking seven. He may

757
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: not give you the appearance at any given moment that

758
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: he's but he's thinking about five moves down the road.

759
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: You could be sitting there, goofing around having a beer,

760
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he'll say something and you go, wait, what,

761
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: how where did you pull that from? And he's like, oh, no,

762
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. So it's like it's his

763
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: brain is constantly spinning. So you know, he's he's very

764
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: very thoughtful. Um, he's extremely he's extremely smart, you know.

765
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: And the thing about Luke is he's fiercely loyal. Fiercely loyal. Um.

766
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: He will he will remember a compliment um that somebody

767
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: gave him, you know, and may have missed. You know,

768
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: like let's say one of the video guys, you know,

769
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: as he's walking off stage. You know, they'll say, hey, man,

770
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: I was a great show, you know, and he's just

771
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, pulling his ears out and trying to get

772
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: his head to stop buzzing and buzzing from the ears. Anyway. Um,

773
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: I've seen him. I've seen him a bunch of times.

774
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: Go back to that video guy on his way out

775
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: to the bus and go, hey, thanks man. I you know,

776
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: I was thinking about something else. I was just coming

777
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: off stage. I just wanted to let you know that

778
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: I heard you and I appreciate what you said. That

779
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. That's the kind of guy Luke is. That's

780
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing about him that it doesn't necessarily

781
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: differentiate himself from anybody. That's just what He's just a

782
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,239
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Speaker 1: told you all about them. All right, So we're back

806
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: and we were talking. Before we walked up to my room.

807
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: I was the ill on my head to do the show.

808
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: These artists and you've and they've invested all this time

809
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: and money for that night in life happens. So let's

810
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: say Luke has the flu on a Thursday night, it's

811
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: Friday night. It's a big show. What happens, well it

812
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen that often. Now they the artists have

813
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: played through being sick a lot that happens all the time. UM.

814
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: With singers, it's really difficult if Luke's got the flu,

815
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: or if if an artist has the flu, the I

816
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: can't be out in the middle of the stage kind

817
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: of sick for an extended period of time without graphically

818
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: grossing everybody out. UM. You hope to find that out

819
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: early on in the day and then you you know,

820
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: if you're just sick, you're just sick. You just gotta reschedule. UM.

821
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: But you know, you get you get a doctor as

822
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: fast as you can. UM. The bigger problem is you

823
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: have one site you want to call it just as

824
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: you guys being not necessarily Usually every market there is

825
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: a doctor that we have, UM, but we don't. We don't.

826
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: It's not like we require a doctor to stand in

827
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: the corner all day and pay them to do nothing. UM.

828
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: Usually our local office has a relationship with a local doctor.

829
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: The bigger problem, the more a chronic problem, if you will,

830
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: is when they get horse, when a singer gets starts

831
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: to lose the pipes, UM, and there's you know, there's

832
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: really not a lot you can do. I mean, you

833
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: can go quiet, um you but it once it's gone,

834
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: especially you know, high registered singer like you know, like

835
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: Gary Lavox, you know that that is a special place

836
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: that that that guy can get to with that voice.

837
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: And if it goes, it's gone. So then what what

838
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: do you have to cut shows and come back later?

839
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: Does that cost you money to do that? It does? Um,

840
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: but you can't. And you know there's one thing you've

841
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: gutting one out, you know. Um, that's one thing. Um.

842
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: Most of the artists, especially now, um, they know they

843
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: know when they're starting to feel it and when they're

844
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: starting to feel something coming on, especially once with kids,

845
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, the human Petrie dishes. I mean, you know,

846
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: I remember when my kids were young, it was like,

847
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, Riley's got a cold. Stay away, you know,

848
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't you know, please don't come near me because

849
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go take it on the road and

850
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: get eighty other people sick. Um. When an artist, generally speaking,

851
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: when they feel a cold coming on, they go into

852
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: prevent um, they go into that prevent defense and they

853
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: get real quiet, and they there's a lot of sleep

854
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: because sleep, really on the road is is the thing

855
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: you don't get enough of, uh, and the thing that

856
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: can cure anything. Um. But yeah, the once once vocals

857
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: are vocals worrying me a lot more than having a

858
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: head cold. Let's talk about a few of the festivals.

859
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: Uh so what Watershed, Fast Horses, Lake Shake three um

860
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: is the fourth one and that's up in New York. Vegas. Oh,

861
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: that's a big new in Vegas. That people that's like people,

862
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 1: here's what people of because these a lot of my friends,

863
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: artists that tell me things I probably wouldn't tell you.

864
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: People love the Vegas Festival. The artists do. It's and

865
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: it's a newer one, right is third or fourth year.

866
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: They love that festival. The Watershed is awesome because it's

867
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: the location. People love to go there because of just

868
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: where it is. And look when you get there, like

869
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: it is legit impossible, it's it's watershed is literally impossible

870
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: to describe. So let's do let's break them down. Let's like,

871
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: I want you to describe it. You said it's impossible

872
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: to describe watershed. It's up in Oregon. No, it's it's

873
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: it's almost in the middle of Washington State. So that's

874
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: the same to me. It's it's it's actually closer to

875
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Seattle than it is Spokane, but it's it's it's on

876
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: the Columbia River. It's so it's close to Seattle. It's

877
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: two hours east of Seattle and two and a half

878
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: hours what's Spokene. Well, you're right right in the middle,

879
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: five hours from Kelowna. And you know, in case you care,

880
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: uh see this STI all in the middle of the Northwest,

881
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: which for me, I love it up there and I

882
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: go to Portland, I go to Seattle. But it's so isolated. Yeah, yeah,

883
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: how difficult does it put a festival up where it's

884
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: so isolated. It's funny because we have It was the

885
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: first one that I ever came up with, okay, and

886
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: it was it was dumb that I didn't come up

887
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: with it beforehand. Um. It's at a place called the Gorge,

888
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: which is an established amphitheater setting um with a stage

889
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: and it does shows and it has camping. Why did

890
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: it take me twenty years to figure this out? I

891
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: don't know, Um, but it it was. It's it's renowned,

892
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: so it's not it is in the middle of nowhere,

893
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: but everybody knows it's there. It's one of those things. Um,

894
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: it's like mont Rushmore. It's like, you know, we know

895
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: where it is. We may not go to Rapid City

896
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: all that often. But we know Mount Rushmore is there.

897
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: Same thing with people in the Northwest, they know that

898
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: the gorge is there. So yeah, we we said, hey,

899
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: why not, let's let's let's do a whole country show.

900
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: All my listeners in Takoma and up in the North's

901
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: gonna kill me for missing mess in the states. Sut there,

902
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: my bad. So let's go over to Faster Horses. I'm

903
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: just going from memory here. That is more my I

904
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: have to go buy my stations, like I'm till I'm

905
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: on a Toledo and it's a little in the map

906
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: above Toledo. Yeah, just a little bit. It's in Brooklyn, Michigan. Um,

907
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: Faster Horses was um came on the heels of Watershed.

908
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: So Watershed came out the first year and did it?

909
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Did Okay? I mean you know first year festivals are

910
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: not They don't do great. Like, let's let's take your

911
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: step back. You say that festivals as opposed to tours, Like,

912
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: what's the bigger risk for you guys? Oh boy? Um, Well,

913
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: the way that I do things, which is I deal

914
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: with every little tiny piece of minutia. What color is

915
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: that chair going to be? What why is what does

916
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: the what does the artwork look like? What? You know?

917
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: What is backstage gonna what's the backstage compound gonna look like?

918
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: Because it's the festival, I'm hosting a party on both

919
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: sides of the barricade. Okay, So the artists who know me,

920
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: and most of them do, they expect a certain level

921
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: of of UM what I tell them? Um, there's not.

922
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: I always tell the artists my festivals are going to

923
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: be different than normal, than your normal every day festival. Um.

924
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: For young acts, there's not going to be a sea

925
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: of white chairs in front of you when you go

926
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: on at three o'clock in the afternoon. I hate that.

927
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: Artists hate that, so I decided I'm not going to

928
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: do that. Um. For the fan, they're not going to

929
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: have to stand behind the white chairs. And what the

930
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: white chairs mean? It's the v i P. People that

931
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: don't show up till later. And it's a bunch of

932
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: empty space that you're playing too if you're playing early,

933
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: because they're not there yet because they bought the v

934
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: i P To come for the big acts at the end. Correct,

935
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: So I I make sure that the front of the

936
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: stage is clean, you know, clean meaning nobody there. If

937
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: you're a fan and you bought the in the case

938
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: of Watershed, the ticket the last one, you can stand

939
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: in front of the stage, just like the person who

940
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: bought ticket number one. It doesn't matter. Was that controversial

941
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: inside your cluster, They were like, Okay, we'll cool. That's

942
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: the beauty of it. It's it's you know what. I'd

943
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: like to think of it as the festival side of

944
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: me is the touring side of me, fixing all the

945
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: ship that's wrong that we do on a daily basis

946
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: that we see and we go. God, I sure wish

947
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't there. I wish this would be better. I

948
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: wish this made more sense. But when you're trying to

949
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: wedge a tour into you know, sixty different buildings, because

950
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: they're not all the same. Even if they you know,

951
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: if they have a hockey team in them, or if

952
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: it's an amphitheater, or if it's a small arena, none

953
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: of them are the same. So it's a different thing.

954
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: Every day. When you have a festival, you get to

955
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: build your own stuff. So let's build it the right

956
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: way and let's talk to people. What do you want?

957
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: Faster Horse is one of my favorite things that happened.

958
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: Keith played it um two years ago. It was two

959
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: summers ago, and his production manager is Baha Randy Fletcher,

960
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: who was with Brooks done for a millionaires. And Uh,

961
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: I said to Baja, Who's I trust him? I said, Baja,

962
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: he was on a segway. I said, I need you

963
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: to ride around the backstage compound and the front of

964
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: house at the festival ride all the doors don't open

965
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: till two thirty. Take your segway and go tell me

966
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: what I screwed up, because I've been staring at this.

967
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: My team and I have been staring at this four months.

968
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: Now here you are, we are. It's no more dress rehearsal.

969
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: It's time to go. And he came back and he

970
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: paid me the best compliment. He goes, I can't find anything.

971
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: He goes. Every time I tried to look for something

972
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: that you screwed up, it wasn't screwed up. It sounds

973
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: like the festival things a big source of pride for you,

974
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: like Haven's having the best festivals because Lake Shake is

975
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: legitly awesome. And first of all, I love Chicago. I'm

976
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: a huge Cubs. To me, I'm a die hard like,

977
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: and it's at a great time, and it's that's the

978
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: water and everything about it just seems amazing. And talking

979
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: about Lke Shake ver Seguin Well Lake Shake is scary

980
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: as hell for me. It's my hometown. So if I

981
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: screw this up, you know home, you know, it's just

982
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: it's defeating um. So we took you know, we took

983
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: the idea of of going down on the water in

984
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: into a place that's old Mixfield is where it's held,

985
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: a place called Northerly Island, which is almost impossible to say,

986
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: does not roll off the tongue, but the view is unbelievable.

987
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: The view of the of the skyline behind the stage

988
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: is amazing. So I've got a great country market and

989
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: I put it on an island that you can't park at.

990
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 1: So it's it's taking the investment of getting people used

991
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: to coming down there. And we're in year three now,

992
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna it's gonna really pop it up.

993
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: You know. The first two years. First year, it does

994
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: what it does. We did much better the second year.

995
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it, but CMT filmed

996
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: Jason's performance for the c MT Concert of the summer

997
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: last year from Leg Shake, and it was cool as

998
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: hell to have, you know, helicopter flying over and getting

999
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: all that visual um. But you know, again with Leg Shake,

1000
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's it's just a sea of people. Um.

1001
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: There's you know, stands that are pushed back, you know,

1002
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 1: states left and stage right. Um. And it just kind

1003
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: of really frames what we're doing there. But the idea

1004
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: of standing, you know, in the water, because that's you

1005
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: are in the water. There's boats on your left and

1006
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: open water on your right, with the Chicago skyline in

1007
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: front of you on a beautiful summer night. It's it's killer.

1008
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: You sounds like you love all all four of them.

1009
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: You have a different affinity for, Like I'm stubborn on Vegas.

1010
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm stubborn on Vegas. See horses was funny because they

1011
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: had to talk me into it. Okay, I didn't get it.

1012
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. So we went up there when

1013
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: it when it started, and we had an opportunity. And

1014
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now and and hopefully one day

1015
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: I'll be able to show you what I'm going to

1016
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: describe to you. But the spot that faster horses exist,

1017
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: and it's the biggest of the four. It's it's forty.

1018
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: Last year we did forty people. Um on that specific

1019
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: piece of land, there is one volt outlet and an

1020
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: old pay phone. That's it. It's a parking lot. It

1021
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: is a grass parking lot for the adjoining NASCAR track

1022
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: Michigan in a National Speedway, and the people at m

1023
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: I s at the time I went up there to

1024
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: look at it. It's where I'm going tomorrow night. I've

1025
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: got a meeting up there on Wednesday. Um. So they're

1026
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: on the first trio up there. They're showing me the

1027
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: track and I'm going looking around with this big speedway,

1028
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: big empty speedway, bunch of hundred thousand seats, bleachers, whatever,

1029
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: and I'm going I hate this. I hate this. This

1030
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: is awful. And um so then they started showing me

1031
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: the rest of the land that they had parking lots.

1032
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, this is where the people will park and

1033
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and here's all of our They have

1034
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: a great job of having these campsites. Um there's nine

1035
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: of them, I believe, um up there that function for

1036
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: the races. And they're like, well they can camp in

1037
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: here and come into the to the track. And we'll

1038
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: do the concert in here and then they can go

1039
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: back to their campsites. And I remember, and I've got

1040
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,479
Speaker 1: pictures of it. Um, I'm wandering around. There's about there's

1041
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of snow. It was kind of like

1042
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: banked up, you know, but it wasn't like full covered.

1043
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: And I was wandering around right by the pay phone

1044
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: and the one town outlet and looking at it. And

1045
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: there's a group of trees and kind of a little

1046
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: pond behind you, and then the parking lot kind of

1047
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: gently slopes up to the back and so it goes,

1048
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, back to front on a rake. So in

1049
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: other words, you could stand I could stand behind you

1050
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: and see over you at a certain point. And then

1051
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: there was this natural there's this tree that's there, and

1052
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: then kind of a natural entrance. And I saw it.

1053
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: I saw the festival and I walked out, you know,

1054
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: to this one spot and I said, this is a

1055
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: downstairs edge. And the people that were up there with

1056
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: me are like, what are you talking about? The stage?

1057
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: I can no, no, no no stage is going here. And

1058
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: it was so much fun because it was a blank

1059
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: field and to get to color that field in, to

1060
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: get to to to have it come to life out

1061
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: of some goofy thought that I had, and the rest

1062
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: of my team, who who are amazing at getting the

1063
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: crap that's in my head out into making it come true, um,

1064
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: interpreting it and adding to it with their own flourishes.

1065
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: Um is amazing. But that that's you know, Yes, I

1066
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: do light up when I talk about it, like the

1067
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: festival whisperer. Well, you know, there's a lot of people

1068
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: that have done and I'm happy to be involved. I'm

1069
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: happy to be in that fraternity. So to speak of

1070
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: people that I've have done something like that, it's it's

1071
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: it's the last in what I do for a living.

1072
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: It's the last frontier of creation. I don't create anything,

1073
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like I don't players sing,

1074
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: So it's not me. Nobody cares. Um. I live vicariously

1075
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: through my artists. You know. It's their success that you know,

1076
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: makes me happy because that means I'm doing my job right.

1077
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: That's how I get you know, that check mark in

1078
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: that box. But when you get a chance to create

1079
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: something from scratch and then bring your friends over to

1080
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: see it, it is so cool that that is so

1081
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: much fun. Um. And that's you know, horses has has

1082
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: really kind of taken on a life of its own.

1083
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: And and the artists, I call it free range artist.

1084
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: They're not when they come to the festivals. They're not

1085
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: trapped on the bus because I don't have sponsors and

1086
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: v I p s and all the stuff. Backstage, it's

1087
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: their backstage. It's the most boring backstage ever and the like.

1088
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: And they love. Yeah, they can come off the bus,

1089
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, all these festivals that are coming in between seventeen,

1090
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: all the tours and and it's funny when you talk

1091
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: about you and other people, I think you're on the

1092
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: A C M. Seven seven times. The thing is, though,

1093
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: you're downplaying the significance you have and and the comparison

1094
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: I made earlier too. We as movie watchers, we don't

1095
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: always know the director, but when you're a great director,

1096
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: you pretty much carry a big part of the industry there.

1097
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: You may not be the person everybody knows, but you're

1098
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: that to country music. I mean, I would say you're

1099
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful guys in country music period. No,

1100
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: not on on any point, because that was that was a

1101
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: artist I was happy to listen. I was having it

1102
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: put me in the article, but even I read it

1103
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, I can listen about thirty guys

1104
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: that got a lot more power than I do. But

1105
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: you're in that that list at a echelon. Here's I've all. Look,

1106
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you, Okay. I always I

1107
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: wanted to be in the game. I wanted to be relevant. Okay,

1108
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: I didn't ever, I didn't know what I wanted to

1109
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: do for a living when I was a kid, other

1110
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: than be a cup That's what I wanted to do.

1111
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: It didn't work, and I had so I had to

1112
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: figure out something to do, and I didn't really know

1113
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: what it was. And I found this lane. And you

1114
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: know I was telling you about being competitive before. Um,

1115
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: that's what what's driven me, um to wherever it is

1116
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: that I am. Um, I'm happy to be in the room.

1117
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: You know, if if if you know you're saying really

1118
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: nice things, there's other people that will say, you know,

1119
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: really bad things. You know that, and that's fine, and

1120
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: that and that's fine, it's it's but for me, I'm

1121
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: happy to be in that room, and I'm happy to

1122
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: have friends, and I'm happy that the artists that I

1123
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: work with are happy with me. Because I think that

1124
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, together we can do more than you know,

1125
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: just live in this six one bubble. You know, I

1126
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 1: call it the six one five for a reason. You

1127
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: have a unique perspective, because you have you personally have.

1128
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: You don't just sit behind a microphone and say I'm

1129
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm bad on nationwide. You actually leave Nashville, okay, And

1130
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: what we may think in Nashville is not necessarily true

1131
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: in Des Moines. And until you see it happen in

1132
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: Des Moines or Boise or Las Crucious, New Mexico or

1133
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,959
Speaker 1: you know, Portland's Mayan. You know, we can sit here

1134
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: and tell each other how great we are in in

1135
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: and then go out and stiff miserably in the rest

1136
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 1: of the country. That's not good. That's a bad thing.

1137
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: So being in that room to hopefully affect that conversation

1138
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: by saying, hey, you are a great artist, and you

1139
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: have a lot of potential. But let's not read all

1140
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: these articles yet. Let's keep working, Let's keep going, let's

1141
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: keep earning another fan, Let's grow, Let's grow at a

1142
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: normal pace. You know, the superstar boom artists that takes

1143
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: off and and you know we've had you know, probably

1144
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: in our lifetime. You know a half a dozen of them.

1145
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: There's probably only one that's stuck, you know, and you

1146
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: don't really want that instant success at a personal level.

1147
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: Best concert you've ever been to? Mm hm hm that's tough.

1148
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean I've been to so many. You gotta pick

1149
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: one your own personal heart, like in your heart, boy,

1150
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, not even a work one. You went

1151
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: and bought tickets and you went and you just watch

1152
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: this show. I'll tell you the first one that, the

1153
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: first one that comes to mind, UM would have been

1154
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: roughly night two or three, the Police Synchronicity now goes

1155
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: in the Machine tour UM. I remember it because I think,

1156
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean Google, we have Google, Uh, they can look

1157
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: it up. And I think Joan Jet might have opened

1158
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: that show. UM. And I caught a towel that one

1159
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: of the three sting Andy or Um Stewart through UM

1160
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: and I caught it. I caught a stage towel and

1161
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. I was like a

1162
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: junior high school I think at the time. And I

1163
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: caught this stage towel and I remember going home and

1164
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: setting this the hallowed towel, you know which is you know,

1165
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: we see him all the time, and I said it

1166
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: on the little counter when you walked into my house

1167
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: with my folks. And I went downstairs and I probably

1168
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: had some beers with my buddies and and went I

1169
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: left it there and went downstairs, went to sleep. I

1170
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: got up the next day and oh, oh, my towel.

1171
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: I gotta go get my towel. I want to you know,

1172
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: frame my towel or whatever. I walked upstairs and my

1173
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: mom was watching the window and I almost found a

1174
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: heart attack. And she's said there. She's like, what, doll,

1175
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm going, come on, mom, do you don't understand that

1176
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: sting might have touched that towel? She's like, what so

1177
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: that that's the one that that jumps out at my

1178
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: recollection favorite Chicago cub player. If I don't say Rick Sutcliff,

1179
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: he'll kill me. Your friends at Suckliff. We were talking

1180
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: and both Brian and are die hardcore fans, Like for me,

1181
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: you know when Suckcliffe was started from the Indians, I'm

1182
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: on a nerd out for a second. I mean I was.

1183
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't have memories of up then, but I know,

1184
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: you know when he was twelve, you know when the

1185
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: and how that shifted and they and it actually made

1186
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: them in the east because under the central now but

1187
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: back in the day used to the east and the

1188
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: west and you had to win it. And that was it.

1189
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: But that that sucklift trade is what that was a catalyst.

1190
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: That was the catalyst. He went and one with the

1191
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: Cubs that year. And so you and suck Clipper Buds

1192
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: and you guys, it spawned from what it spawned from

1193
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: another Kicks and Ronnie story. Really, I met him Kicks

1194
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: Brooks introduced me to him, Um, and it would have

1195
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: been probably all one or oh two, and um we

1196
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: were at Murphy's bleachers and introduced me to Beth Murphy

1197
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: over there, who's a friend to this day. Um, and

1198
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Bobby, I was dumbfounded. I was like,

1199
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna go meet who huh at Murphy's. I grew

1200
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: up there. I mean I used to take the train

1201
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: to the ball game and we'd go into Murphy's. You know,

1202
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: it's the it's the one with Harry Carey's face on

1203
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: the for the people who see it on television. It's

1204
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: right behind the center field bleachers. And Murphy's is an

1205
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: institution for a Cubs fan, and especially for a kid

1206
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: who grew up being a Cup fan. Um, when we

1207
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: walked in and I saw Sut for the first time. Now,

1208
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: for those people who don't know this, this guy, he's

1209
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: six ft seven and has red hair, and he's giant.

1210
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gigantic, and his heart is as giant

1211
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: as he is. I didn't know at all, I was

1212
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: a fanboy. So I'm sitting there trying to, you know,

1213
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, say something coherent. It was Rick Sutcliff Day,

1214
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: the first one, the actual Rick Suckcliff Day's parents were there,

1215
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, everybody, the families there and and I got

1216
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: to tag along and it was the first time I'd

1217
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: ever got to go on the on step onto Wrigley

1218
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: Field was that day. And um, he uh we had

1219
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: a couple of beers, and um, of course, Kicks being kicks,

1220
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 1: you know, knows that I'm in hog heaven at this point.

1221
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 1: And long story, really really really short. He uh, Kicks

1222
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: talked to him into throwing batting practice to me at

1223
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: Wrigley and I'm just I'm dying. Well, I got I

1224
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: got to see a few pitches, and um, I let

1225
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: the first one go and I let the second one go,

1226
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: and I'm scared to death. And the third one one

1227
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: top the three six signed and left center field, and

1228
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: Sutty kind of looked at me, but I was kind

1229
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: of peeking out of the cage to see if it

1230
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: was gonna go, and then to to say that the

1231
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: next one was in my ear. He didn't send me

1232
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: a message. I got the message. I was covered in

1233
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: dirt from head to toe. But that's how I met him.

1234
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: And you know, Sutty's he's more, you know, favorite Cubs

1235
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: player as a kid, it was Ernie Banks. You know,

1236
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: it was that team. I was four, okay, and that's

1237
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: a that's a sixty nine team that was awesome, except

1238
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: the Mets were actually but they were better than September.

1239
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: They came in, uh from nine back man nine and

1240
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: a half back in September. What my team would have

1241
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: been the eighty nine Cubs whenever they ended up in

1242
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,560
Speaker 1: the East taking the expose down at the end. M

1243
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 1: But for me, you know, it was Grace and Samberg

1244
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: and Dunston and even Advance Law and you know it's

1245
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: just I mean, I remember when Girardi was the backup

1246
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: Damon Barry Hill. Well, I'll give you. I'll give you

1247
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: a little piece of Cubs trivia and you can you

1248
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: can go find it. You find it online. You'll get

1249
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: a kick out of it. And talk about Sudy. The

1250
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: first time that I met him was September of n

1251
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: and if you watch the video UM and you see

1252
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: a kid in Pittsburgh jump up and get his hat,

1253
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: that was that was man. Well, it's been a I

1254
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: feel like I've learned more in this hour than I

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Speaker 1: have any other hour that I've spent with because I

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed doing this because I get to actually just

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Speaker 1: ask questions and take in stuff and there's no time restraints.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming into and talking and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people listen to this. We

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Speaker 1: really don't know what happened. And I have been a

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Speaker 1: little more of the last couple of years because you know,

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Speaker 1: only we started this two man group that turned into

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Speaker 1: a band that turned into you know, we're playing two

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Speaker 1: thousand seat places forty times a year, and so I've

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Speaker 1: gotten to see a little bit of how it comes together.

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Speaker 1: And they've been open for people like Paisley and you know, Toby,

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Speaker 1: and they've had us out but I don't know even

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Speaker 1: this stuff like that, the stuff that you bring in today,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing to know what goes into this. There's there

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Speaker 1: is a there is an elite group of people that

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Speaker 1: we have in this town. And I mean this sincerely

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Speaker 1: labeled guys and and women. Um, the people in the

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Speaker 1: in the concert promotion side of things, marketing people, um.

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Speaker 1: The god it just the publishing side the I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to think of the of the other thing, the other

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Speaker 1: aspect I was going to say, but it completely blanked

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Speaker 1: on me. Um. There are there's an elite level of

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Speaker 1: people that work in this industry that have such nuanced jobs, niches,

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Speaker 1: you refer to it, real early cogs in the wheel.

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Speaker 1: The artist is the core, okay, and each one of

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Speaker 1: us is a cog in the wheel. And if one

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Speaker 1: of us breaks, if we don't get the best songs,

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Speaker 1: if we don't have the best possible band, if we

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Speaker 1: don't have the best possible label, support whatever that you know,

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Speaker 1: in in all of the nuances that come in that

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Speaker 1: the artist is going to suffer. So it's about people

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Speaker 1: working as a team and and and not living in silos.

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Speaker 1: And we in Nashville have an amazing wealth of brilliant

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Speaker 1: people that can do this stuff, that come up with

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Speaker 1: incredible ideas for artists, um on their behalf, because we

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Speaker 1: we believe in these people that we call artists. Um,

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Speaker 1: they're a different breed. That's like, you know, they've got it.

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Speaker 1: We don't have it. I don't have it. I'm clear

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Speaker 1: that I don't have it. I can see it though,

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Speaker 1: and it's so much fun. I'm glad that that you

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Speaker 1: had me over here. And if it didn't put everybody

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Speaker 1: to sleep the boring business side, um, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I hope that some people get some stuff out of

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Speaker 1: it because it's it's it's interesting. Well. Of the tours again,

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Speaker 1: of the festivals, I mean this year Watershed, Faster Horses,

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Speaker 1: leg Shake, Um, the Vegas one Aute, I mean those

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Speaker 1: are that we talked about to get a chance to

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Speaker 1: check them out. And then I mean, you have so

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Speaker 1: many artists and just I mean we'd be here for

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Speaker 1: another thirty minutes again about talking about that. But Brian

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Speaker 1: really good to have your Brian at Live Nation and

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Speaker 1: he's just the king of about promoting shows that that's

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Speaker 1: what we call them, the king dangling. Anytime there's an

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Speaker 1: award Show King Dangling Bryan's are Acceptable Award. He's like,

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Speaker 1: thank you and he he just kind of gets out

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Speaker 1: everybody's way. It's kind of my style too. That's gonna

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Speaker 1: thank you very much, appreciate that. We were all right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much everyone, and we will see you

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Speaker 1: next time. And on Twitter, yeah, what are your boc

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Speaker 1: BOC country, BOC country. Here we go. All right, thank

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Speaker 1: you and we'll see you next time. Guys,