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Speaker 1: an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal, Indeed,

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Speaker 1: stories in the news. We're going to talk about Biden's

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Speaker 1: and we both just got back from Texas. Incredible week.

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Speaker 1: It was an amazing week. Really grateful to Joe for

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Speaker 1: off with a very some very important news about the

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Speaker 1: President of the United States going abroad. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and see how the how he handled himself with the

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Speaker 1: press corps when he was asked not even frankly that

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Speaker 1: much of a challenging question, but like a very slightly one.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, why is it comminent health change

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Speaker 1: his behavior? Mister president? Help? What are you doing over?

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Speaker 1: I should? I should? Was Let's kind it straight. I said.

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Speaker 1: What will change for behavior is the rest of the

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Speaker 1: world reacts to them, and they diminished just the standing

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Speaker 1: just stating in fact, but given his past behavior has

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Speaker 1: not changed. And in that press conference, after sitting down

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Speaker 1: with you for several hours, he denied any involvement in

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Speaker 1: cyber attack. He dale played human rights Abu says Ethan

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Speaker 1: refused to say a LESSI navone's name. So how does

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Speaker 1: that help to a constructed meeting? As Chris put, you

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Speaker 1: don't understand that you're in your own business. We need

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Speaker 1: come love quickly, m go quickly. Wow Crystal having a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a fit there. Huh. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what to call that. It's like a cranky old

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Speaker 1: man moment. Really, it's a very uh, very high get

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Speaker 1: off my lawn vibe I Clint Eastwood energy from that movie. No,

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, but I think that with the stunning

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Speaker 1: part of it is not the freak out. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: Trump is to do this stuff all the time. It's

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Speaker 1: then Biden actually walked up apparently afterwards, and he was like,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and put Natasha Bertrand's tweet up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen. Biden apologizes, I owe my last questioner in apology.

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Speaker 1: Jake Sherman and the little tweet that he has there.

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Speaker 1: can go on forever. Jeff Zeleny, let's put this one

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Speaker 1: up there as my particular favorite from CNN. Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: carried himself with the seasoned air of confidence that new

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Speaker 1: presidents seldom possessed. The bi doctrine will be tested in

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Speaker 1: the months ahead as the relationship he's crafting with Putin

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Speaker 1: The truth is that was embarrassing. That was like an

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Speaker 1: least I think, the most restricted access person to the

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Speaker 1: he took longer than any modern president I think in

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Speaker 1: He does not do well under pressure, and the only

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Speaker 1: And remember I used to be a White House correspondent.

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Speaker 1: I hear from these people. They complain to me endlessly

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Speaker 1: under Obama. Oh, the White House Biden apparently made him

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Speaker 1: the deer leader. It's embarrassing. There's a lot to say

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Speaker 1: recall back on the campaign trail when he was running

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Speaker 1: leaking to the press that, like, we can't schedule him

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Speaker 1: like one event today in Iowa. There were a number

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Speaker 1: of incidents where he got super crabby with voters challenge

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Speaker 1: I look fat? Famous And then there was the what

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Speaker 1: was it, lying dog face soldier? Remember that? So Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden having these crabby old man moments very typical for him,

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Speaker 1: Very typical frankly for a man his age. He's been

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Speaker 1: traveling overseas, that's very exhausting. I just got back from

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Speaker 1: say put email. Let's put Trump aside. Imagine Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: be endless about how this shows his misogyny. Such a

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Speaker 1: he apologizes. This is another one of the embarrass Biden

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Speaker 1: numbers and how Biden has covered verse versus every other president.

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Speaker 1: To think that you're getting unfair coverage by the press.

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Speaker 1: For Joe Biden, who's gotten like the fluffiest coverage ever

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't it really belies the facts. And again

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Speaker 1: even Trump, but Obama and Clinton before him, and the

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Speaker 1: Excellent point, and we cover that. I think while that story,

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Speaker 1: least negative press coverage of any modern president least negative?

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Speaker 1: Just think about that. I think it's completely crazy. Least

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Speaker 1: negative press coverage, not necessarily positive, but it's negative space.

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Speaker 1: And as we said, what they choose not to show

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Speaker 1: you is far more important than what they actually do

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Speaker 1: choose to show you. And in this case, what actually

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Speaker 1: was shown from the press conference, Crystal, did anybody hear

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Speaker 1: anything about a policy at all? You know, in a way,

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Speaker 1: I almost preferred the coverage of the Trump putin Summits

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Speaker 1: try to frame it again as like Trump selling out America.

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Speaker 1: But here is nothing, absolutely nothing in terms of what

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Speaker 1: came out of that, what was it? Putin was asked

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Speaker 1: How do you think they would have reacted if he

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Speaker 1: as a guide in order to expand the powers of

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Speaker 1: the intelligence state one hundred percent. But even worse is

432
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Speaker 1: that they are actually explicitly calling for in this plan

433
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Speaker 1: using the organs of the post nine to eleven terror

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Speaker 1: state and to terror surveillance and turning it directly on

435
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Speaker 1: American citizens. A great part of our Rogan episode was

436
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Speaker 1: actually when we were explaining this to Joe, and Joe

437
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Speaker 1: was like, wait, who defines domestic extremism? And we were like, yeah, Joe, exactly.

438
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Speaker 1: That's the billion actually multi billion dollar question, isn't it?

439
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Speaker 1: The billion dollar question is who defines domestic extremism? Whoever's

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Speaker 1: in the government. And as you rightfully pointed out, Trump

441
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: wanted to declare Antifa domestic terrorist organization whenever he was

442
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Speaker 1: in office, which would have given him massive surveillance powers

443
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Speaker 1: over that group. People, I think rightfully called that out

444
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Speaker 1: at the time. And now, what what is domestic extremism?

445
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Speaker 1: Is it? You know, flying a flag. You know, is

446
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: it wearing a mask or not wearing a mask? Whenever

447
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: you're supposedly supposed to wear a mask, like who defines

448
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: these things? And you can make it so that the

449
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: FBI can essentially do whatever it would like. And this

450
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: leads to some very very very dangerous places in which

451
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Speaker 1: you have FBI agents will be deliberately instigating or pushing

452
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Speaker 1: some American citizens who they seem as you know, possibly

453
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Speaker 1: radicalizable or whatever, and then push them right up to

454
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Speaker 1: the door of entrapment and boom, You're going to jail.

455
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Speaker 1: This is basically what a police state looks like in

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Speaker 1: terms of past authoritarian regimes. And this is the type

457
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Speaker 1: of thing where should really really worry you because the

458
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Speaker 1: entire democratic and republic establishment is basically behind expanding the

459
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Speaker 1: surveillance state for these purposes. Yes, this is what we've

460
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Speaker 1: been warning about the whole time. And I think a

461
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Speaker 1: lot of people on the left could see these abuses

462
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Speaker 1: really clearly when it came to targeting Muslims and the

463
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Speaker 1: war on terror. And I don't want to cherry pick here.

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Speaker 1: I did a whole thing back rising about the Herald

465
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Speaker 1: Square Great Bomber and This was all revealed by the

466
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Speaker 1: New York Times. Right, this wasn't some like weird left

467
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: wing rag or whatever that was coming up with this.

468
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: The FBI four informant basically radicalized this young man, talked

469
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Speaker 1: him into getting involved with the plot. The last minute

470
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Speaker 1: he's saying, I don't really, I don't want to be

471
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Speaker 1: part of this. He agrees sort of to serve as

472
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Speaker 1: a scout and even says, and this is the kind

473
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Speaker 1: of hardened criminal he was. He was like, but I

474
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Speaker 1: have to check with my mom. And this isn't just

475
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Speaker 1: one instance. The Intercept has done a great job of

476
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Speaker 1: cataloging each one of these terrorism charges associated with the

477
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven inspired war on Terror, and very few

478
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Speaker 1: of them were actually plots that would have organically happened

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Speaker 1: on their own that were disrupted by law enforcement. Overwhelmingly

480
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Speaker 1: the charges were a stretch or it was effectively plotted

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Speaker 1: by FBI informants. And in fact, and this is uncomfortable

482
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Speaker 1: to talk about, there are signs that this is already

483
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Speaker 1: being applied. Those same tactics are still are already being

484
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Speaker 1: applied increasingly to citizens who are involved in you know,

485
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Speaker 1: right wing movements that I want nothing to do with

486
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Speaker 1: white supremacist movements. I mean, these are not good things.

487
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Speaker 1: These are hideous ideology. That want to be totally clear

488
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Speaker 1: about that. But Jackoman actually had a piece a while

489
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Speaker 1: back about, Hey, you know how much was the FBI

490
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Speaker 1: involved in plotting this Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping scheme, which again

491
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Speaker 1: was abhorrent. Some of those involved were allegedly on their

492
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Speaker 1: way to actually kidnap her. They had a horrible plan.

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Speaker 1: But also a number of the people that were in

494
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Speaker 1: the car when they stopped them were FBI informants. So

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Speaker 1: we need to keep asking the question because here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: First of all, if you have constant news of these

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Speaker 1: plots being disrupted, like the Harold Square thing, you see

498
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Speaker 1: the Harold Square bombing plot disrupting, You're like, oh my god,

499
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Speaker 1: that's such a big subway station. I lived in New

500
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Speaker 1: York at the time. It's like, wow, this is really

501
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Speaker 1: the most popular subway station in the country in New York, right,

502
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: this is crazy. So it's very effective at keeping the

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Speaker 1: population in fear, like these plots are unfolding all around us,

504
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Speaker 1: and thank God that they're disrupting them. Meanwhile, the politicians

505
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: get to have a press conference, and we disrupted this

506
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Speaker 1: bombing plot. It serves their career. The FBI informants are involved,

507
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: are getting paid, It serves their career. Whoever's in charge

508
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: of that operation, it serves them. They ascend up the ranks.

509
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Speaker 1: And so it becomes this industry of essentially manufacturing plots

510
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Speaker 1: that you can then go in and pretend to disrupt.

511
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Speaker 1: And those are the exact tactics that we're talking about

512
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Speaker 1: expanding increasingly on our soil, to more of our citizens,

513
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Speaker 1: to whoever that government at that point, whether it's Joe

514
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Speaker 1: Biden now or Donald Trump in the pastor potentially brging

515
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump again, whoever they decide they don't like and

516
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Speaker 1: want to create a narrative about how they're the gravest

517
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Speaker 1: threat to American lives. So that's why this stuff is

518
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Speaker 1: so dangerous. Look, if people are plotting to you know,

519
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: plant bombs or gauge to kids like go disrupt that

520
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: deal with it. Law enforcement already has all of the

521
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Speaker 1: tools that they need. They already have all of the

522
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Speaker 1: kidnapping is already illegal. Guys, planting bombs already illegal. You

523
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: don't need additional laws, you don't need additional tools. They

524
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: have so much money and resources. Already. We've been warning

525
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Speaker 1: about this from the very beginning because we could see

526
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Speaker 1: the trajectory that it's going on, and especially when liberals

527
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Speaker 1: have lionized people like John Brennan and the national security

528
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: state is like above reproach now among some in establishment

529
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Speaker 1: democratic circles, and so that just gives them the ability

530
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Speaker 1: to claim more and more power, more surveillance ability into

531
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Speaker 1: your life or whoever they decide that they want to

532
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Speaker 1: go after and look into their activities. We should all

533
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Speaker 1: be completely disgusted by white supremacists and we should also

534
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Speaker 1: jealously guard our civil liberty. Yeah, and you know, to

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Speaker 1: this point of I was talking earlier about defining extremism

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Speaker 1: as we saw with the Islamic extremism. We'll look at

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Speaker 1: this one extremist quote. This is, according to their assessment,

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Speaker 1: continue to be motivated by narratives of fraud in the

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Speaker 1: recent general election, the emboldening impact of the violent breach

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Speaker 1: of the capitol and conditions related to the COVID nineteen pandemic,

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Speaker 1: and conspiracy theories promoting violence. Okay, motivated by narratives of

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Speaker 1: fraud in the recent general election. I thought that the

543
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Speaker 1: narrative of fraud was bad. That's what we called stop

544
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Speaker 1: to steal out from the very beginning. Let's actually see,

545
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Speaker 1: that's one third of the US population, maybe one quarter actually,

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Speaker 1: if we're going to be charitable and say that, some

547
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Speaker 1: of the people who are on board the whole like

548
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Speaker 1: full blown Trump train, don't actually believe it was stolen

549
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: or just saying so because Trump says it. Let's say

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Speaker 1: a quarter of the US population. So now a quarter

551
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Speaker 1: of the US population are extremists. And listen, I think

552
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: it's bad, I think it's dangerous. I blame Trump, I

553
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: blame a lot like Rush Limbaugh type people for pushing

554
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: this stuff. But that doesn't mean that they're terrorists. And

555
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: look at this one. Conditions related to the COVID nineteen

556
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: pandemic and conspiracy theories promoting violence. So what does that mean?

557
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Speaker 1: Conditions related to the COVID nineteen pandemic, as I said,

558
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Speaker 1: would that incompas anti lockdown protests? Go and think about

559
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Speaker 1: how crazy the country was. What was it May of

560
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty whenever those people so some of it was AstroTurf.

561
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Speaker 1: You know, these anti mass protests, anti lockdown protests, all

562
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Speaker 1: this are they going to be infiltrated or organized by

563
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Speaker 1: the FBI. I mean technically some of them did promote

564
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Speaker 1: violently on some of them even had guns, Like I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a free country. A lot of these places are

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Speaker 1: pro to A states. But does that mean that they

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Speaker 1: have to be surveilled or does that mean that they

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Speaker 1: would be liable under this new domestic extremism initiative? You

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Speaker 1: see how it gets real dicey, real quickly whenever you

570
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Speaker 1: start to talk about regular American citizens and not necessarily

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Speaker 1: like a fringe ideology. This is where you know, you

572
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Speaker 1: could begin to see the beginnings of more police state action,

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Speaker 1: more authoritarian action. And nobody is defending many of these groups,

574
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Speaker 1: like who hates the election fraud people more than us?

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Speaker 1: No one. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because

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Speaker 1: many of these people are. If you do this, it

577
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: will just get ten times worse. Using the organs of

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Speaker 1: the state against so large of a part of your

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Speaker 1: population and trying to criminalize them. It is not going

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Speaker 1: to work, and if it does, that's even more dage.

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Speaker 1: So a couple of things. Number one, look, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: this should just be about principle. It shouldn't be about

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Speaker 1: your team. And so if someone is really comfortable calling

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Speaker 1: out like you know, FBI infiltration and the Trump administration

585
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: and to these right wing groups, but they got nothing

586
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Speaker 1: to say about what was done during the War on Terror.

587
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 1: They're just serving a partisan agenda. And the same thing

588
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Speaker 1: on the other side, if you were concerned about these

589
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Speaker 1: civil liberties during the War on tear and their application

590
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Speaker 1: to Muslims, you should be equally if not more concerned now. Right.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, that's just use that as a

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Speaker 1: little metric to see who's actually serious about the principles

593
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Speaker 1: versus who's just carrying water for one team or ideology

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Speaker 1: or another. Absolutely another thing. Actually thought that exchange with

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Speaker 1: Joe during the podcast was really important because he said

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Speaker 1: January sixth was really that's actually really important to get

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Speaker 1: the roots of what happened there, and he's one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent right. The problem is that we know in Washington

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Speaker 1: a January sixth commission is going to come to no

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Speaker 1: useful conclusion because if you actually want to get to

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Speaker 1: the core of how something so heinous and ugly could

602
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Speaker 1: happen in America, it implicates far too many of the

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Speaker 1: political class in Washington, to include Democrats, and so that

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Speaker 1: piece of like how did we get here and how

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Speaker 1: can we avoid getting here again? Because that's what Joe says. Look, somehow,

606
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: when these things start to happen, then it just becomes

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Speaker 1: a thing that happens, and we all get used to like, oh,

608
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: citizens just march on the Capitol and like try to

609
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Speaker 1: murder lawmakers on a regular basis. Those sorts of things

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Speaker 1: can't be allowed to go unchecked and just become normalized

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Speaker 1: in our politics. He's one hundred percent right about that.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that this whole narrative, rather than being

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Speaker 1: used to get to the root causes of what the

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00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: hell is going wrong in this country and the core

615
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Speaker 1: rot that we try our best to speak to here

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Speaker 1: every day, all it's being used is as a partisan

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Speaker 1: talking point to help win electoral seats in the midterms,

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Speaker 1: and even more nefarious, to expand the surveillance state, to

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Speaker 1: further expand the national security state, to grab power from

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Speaker 1: you and ticket for themselves once again. Yeah, and actually

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Speaker 1: that exchange revealed something else. Joe was a good faith

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Speaker 1: guy who was like, wait, I was horrified by January sixth.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you want to get to the bottom of it, right,

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Speaker 1: And so what the politicians do is they weaponize that

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Speaker 1: good faith instinct. And that's what we were saying. We're like, look, man,

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Speaker 1: we don't like it, think a great bad yeah, but

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Speaker 1: we know how DC commissions work. For example, anybody want

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Speaker 1: to tell me with a straight face, the Bengazi Commission

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Speaker 1: was really about getting to the bottom of what happened

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Speaker 1: on Benghazi. No, it was about ticket destroying Hillary, and

631
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Speaker 1: it became a culture war issue and it became like

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Speaker 1: this whole thing. The nine to eleven Commission was another example.

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Speaker 1: Was a nine to eleven commission really to find out

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Speaker 1: what happened with bin Laden and with nine to eleven?

635
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Speaker 1: Or was it just a project in order to cover

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Speaker 1: up for all the failures of the intel this community

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Speaker 1: and give them billions and billions and billions of more

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Speaker 1: dollars and eventually invade Iraq. Every single one of these

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Speaker 1: things whenever they become political, they do not serve any interest.

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Speaker 1: They have to actually cover up the complicity, like you're saying,

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Speaker 1: of the political class. And then what's worse is that

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00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: they weaponize people like Joe, normal people who are like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I was horrified by January sixth how dare you say

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Speaker 1: we don't need a January sixth commission. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: But guess what, we know how DC works, We know

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Speaker 1: state amongst huge amongst huge swads of American society, which

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Speaker 1: is totally unacceptable. Yeah, another interesting story. We wanted to

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Speaker 1: tell you to get that. So you guys probably know

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Speaker 1: Nina Turner running in a Democratic primary for an Ohio

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Speaker 1: congressional district that was vacated by Congressman Marsha Fudge. And

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Speaker 1: Nina has been dominant in this race, at least according

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Speaker 1: to the polls that we've seen. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: special election in one congressional dist Sometimes these polls can

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Speaker 1: be wildly off, but she's been leading the pack by far.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Nina friend of our showing that we haven't

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Speaker 1: gotten around today yet. We will for sure in the

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Speaker 1: near future. But she's most associated with the Bernie Sanders campaign.

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Speaker 1: She was their national campaign co chair running on an

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Speaker 1: who had to wait into the conversation wasn't one and

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Speaker 1: only Hillary Clinton. We can throw Hillary's tweed off here.

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Speaker 1: She says she's proud Tendo or Chantelle Brown, that's Nina's

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Speaker 1: primary opponent for Congress in the Ohio special election. Chantell

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Speaker 1: county DUM party, and she'll work to help her state

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Speaker 1: and our country recover from COVID. Joined me in supporting her.

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Speaker 1: A lot that's interesting here. First of all, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure this is the win for Chantelle Brown that maybe

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Speaker 1: she was thinking. Nina went on to have her biggest

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Speaker 1: poss ever ever, which is amusing. But also it just shows,

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Speaker 1: like my lord, the twenty sixteen primary feels like a

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Speaker 1: lifetime ago, and yet still Hillary Clinton is so obsessed

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Speaker 1: with hating on anyone and anything associated with the Bernie Left.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of the things that came

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Speaker 1: out in the Amy parn Jonathan Allen book about the election.

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Speaker 1: Remember Bill Clinton, when Tom parraz was effectively made DMC

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Speaker 1: chair by Obama, was crowned DNC chair by Obama. Bill

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Speaker 1: Clinton said to him, you have one job, and it's

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you crushed the Bernie left. I'm paraphrasing.

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Speaker 1: Those weren't hurt his exact words, but that was his

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Speaker 1: exact sent to it. The hatred and vindictiveness there knows

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Speaker 1: no bounds. And so this is just one more instance

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Speaker 1: where again I don't really think this is going to

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Speaker 1: be particularly helpful, helpful for Chantel Brown, but Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: has to wade in because she despises anyone and anything

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Speaker 1: that was associated with Sanders twenty sixteen or Sanders twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: I think what it does show is that if you

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Speaker 1: cross them once, they'll never forget it and they will

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Speaker 1: just do everything in their power. They could not. I

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Speaker 1: don't think she could accept that it was a good

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Speaker 1: faith difference of opinion, the good faith difference of the

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Speaker 1: party in twenty sixteen, because they don't operate policy difference.

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Speaker 1: For them, it's like, how dare you disrupt the coronation

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Speaker 1: of the queen? And I mean that really was the

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Speaker 1: great poetic justice of twenty sixteen, right, is that she

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Speaker 1: got challenged and then she beat Bernie, and then you

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Speaker 1: know she was going forward and she was about to

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Speaker 1: be crowned and then boom, like she wasn't. It was

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Speaker 1: like this karmic justice that people had been waiting for

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Speaker 1: for a long time. And her popularity in the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party is you know, I mean, it's still fine, but

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Speaker 1: it's not even close to what like Bill Clinton was

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Speaker 1: in his post presidential years. And she's just a very

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Speaker 1: bitter woman. And you can see how she conducts herself

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Speaker 1: in pot what are you doing endorsing somebody in an

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Speaker 1: Ohio congressional race. Does she go out and she speak

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Speaker 1: Democratic primary? No way? And what weren't we told Crystal

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Speaker 1: that that was considered like bad form whenever other people

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Speaker 1: get involved, and you know, they'll be like, oh, let

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Speaker 1: or when Pelosi, who was that guy she endorsed Joe

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Speaker 1: Kennedy or whatever she endorsed joking mar Marquie, which was

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Speaker 1: so amazing, so weird, and you put all these things

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Speaker 1: you just didn't do it in the first place. So really,

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Speaker 1: just yeah, I don't even know what to say. I

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Speaker 1: think it's an astounding display of hubris that she's still

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Speaker 1: so pissed off. I mean, it's been like five years, man,

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Speaker 1: come on, just move on. In a way, I'm actually

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Speaker 1: kind of for it, because I think the more out

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Speaker 1: in the open, the democratic civil war, is the better

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Speaker 1: because oftentimes what happens is like people like Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: they never stop fighting that behind the scenes, in front

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Speaker 1: of the scenes, doing everything they can to crush this

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Speaker 1: movement on the left and on the left. Sometimes they engage.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they think these people are their friends. So the

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Speaker 1: less that people on the left can imagine that the

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clintons of the world, or the Nancy Pelosi's of

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Speaker 1: their buddy and working together with them in good faith,

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Speaker 1: the less that they can hold on to that illusion,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, the better. So unpopular opinion. Thank you, Hillary,

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're right, Thank you Hillary, really appreciate it. Wow,

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Speaker 1: as you're about to notice. The free show does not

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Speaker 1: media today. Get access to the full show. Take care, guys, bristle,

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Speaker 1: what are your breaking points today? Well? I really truly

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Speaker 1: had a great time heading down to Austin with and

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Speaker 1: also with Kyle this week to talk to Joe Rogan

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Speaker 1: for his podcast and also to get to interview him

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Speaker 1: for this show. Love getting to talk about you guys

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Speaker 1: and breaking points, UBI, drugs, all kinds of things. But

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Speaker 1: something really struck me while I was there that I

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Speaker 1: think said something bigger about the left beyond just the

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Speaker 1: movement's feelings about Joe Rogan. So while I was down

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Speaker 1: in Texas, the right wing outlet The Blaze celebrated Rogan's

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Speaker 1: recent comments on defund the police. Apparently, in an interview

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Speaker 1: with another comedian, Rogan complained about crime and homelessness in LA.

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Speaker 1: When defund came up, he said that the defunding of

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Speaker 1: the police in Austin has been a disaster too, and

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Speaker 1: New York's been a disaster. It's terrible everywhere. It's a

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Speaker 1: terrible idea. Now do I agree with Rogan on his

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Speaker 1: rather simplistic comments about defund No, I do not. Crime

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Speaker 1: is up in virtually every city, whether or not they've

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Speaker 1: on crime, they're just not dealing accurately with the situation.

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Speaker 1: What I found really interesting was the response by ideological media.

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Speaker 1: While The Blaze pulled out the comments to appl and

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Speaker 1: effectively claim him as their own progressive Atlins, they did

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Speaker 1: the exact opposite. They covered the comments to try to

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Speaker 1: tar Rogan as a right winger. In fact, overall, left

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Speaker 1: leaning media outlets have covered Joe's right wing comments almost exclusively,

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Speaker 1: whether it's his comments on vaccines or apologizing for spreading

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Speaker 1: a false story about Antifa starting a wildfire. Just to

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Speaker 1: be clear again, this isn't about siding with Joe on

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Speaker 1: defund or vaccines Orientifa. It's about an editorial decision that

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Speaker 1: was made by many outlets and commentators on the left

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Speaker 1: to only focus on right wing comments, in effect pushing

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Speaker 1: away the number one podcaster on the planet. In fact,

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Speaker 1: this dynamic has been playing out repeatedly ever since Rogan

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Speaker 1: said he supported Bernie Sanders. Now you remember what happened there.

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Speaker 1: Rogan very casually said that he would probably vote for

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Speaker 1: Bernie in the Democratic primary. Those comments were smartly seized

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Speaker 1: But bad faith actors in the Democratic Party, in an

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Speaker 1: make it out like he was some evil bigot that

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Speaker 1: no one should have anything to do with. Ever since then,

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Speaker 1: every right wing comment made by Rogan has been endlessly amplified,

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Speaker 1: both by right wing voices who want to claim him

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize the guy. No

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Speaker 1: have a really powerful platform. But the net effect of

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Speaker 1: actually is on the political spectrum, and in a way

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Speaker 1: that is only good for the right. What do I mean? Well,

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Speaker 1: of Joe rogan discourse on politics, and of all of

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Speaker 1: is to a society to center absolutely everything around money

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Speaker 1: What lefty in their right mind would give up that chance.

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Speaker 1: Also in that podcast, Joe went out of his way

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Speaker 1: the case for social democracy, telling Joe that he'd like

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Speaker 1: Joe's not easy to peg politically, but he told us

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Speaker 1: his most formative political experience was listening to Ronald Reagan

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Speaker 1: lie about the Iran Contra scandal. I remember the first

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Speaker 1: but the level of I don't like Reagan was never

857
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: like the level of I don't like Trump right or

858
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: now currently Obama or Biden rather is senile, Like there's

859
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: a disrespect of Biden that didn't exist back then. So

860
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: does that sound like the right wing caricature that Joe

861
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: has been portrayed as what kind of a dumbass movement?

862
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Goes ono? Their way to push someone away who shares

863
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: most of their goals and values and happens to be

864
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: one of the more influential people on the entire planet.

865
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Speaker 1: On the bright side, irrelevant progressives can sleep well at

866
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: night knowing they didn't associate with anyone impure, even as

867
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: the people they claim to want to help go to

868
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: bed hungary for lack of an actual effective movement. Bernie

869
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: and his team, they had it right here. If you

870
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: actually want to win, you should be looking to grow

871
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: the movement, bringing people who are adjacent and supportive, encourage

872
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: them to be better. Sure, but do that instead of

873
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: naming and shaming and pushing people away. It's literally the

874
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: most basic concept ever, one that clearly the right understands.

875
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: The right wing celebrates every right wing Joe comment, and

876
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: the left wing trashes every right wing Joe comment. So

877
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be nice if those of us on the

878
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: left learn to take yes for an answer and celebrated

879
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: some of the many easily found lefty comments that Joe

880
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: makes constantly on his show. And this just I really,

881
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: this really hit me this week. It's me again. Guys,

882
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: we hope that you're loving the show. If you have

883
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: any questions. You know where you can ask them. Go

884
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: to crystalinsager dot com. Become a premium member, and then

885
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: you'll get to participate and weekly ask me anything. The

886
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: link is in the show notes. I know it's cliche,

887
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: another lab leak monologue from Sager. Isn't there anything else

888
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: going on? The answer is yes. That's why I have

889
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: an entire show full of other news. But I choose

890
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: to stick to this story because the more it progresses,

891
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: the more details that come out, the further it is

892
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: revealed that we are in the midst of the uncovering

893
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: of one of the great cover ups and lives of

894
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: the twenty first century. I did not think I would

895
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: live to see another Iraq WMD in my lifetime, but

896
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: that's exactly what's happening today. By now, you're all familiar

897
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: with the cover up that the media and the public

898
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: health establishment pulled on all of us by dismissing the

899
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: lablique theory early in the pandemic. But what people forget

900
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: about IRAQ WMD was that really weird one or two

901
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: year period after the invasion where all the people who

902
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: lied started massaging the truth and past statements. Rumsfeld and Bush.

903
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 1: They all came out and said some version of oh, well,

904
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: actually it was about democracy, or we never specified what

905
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: kind of WMD, or actually some BS rockets that were

906
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: found will try to reclassify as WMD, which makes this

907
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: entire like hellscape worth it. That's the version of WMD

908
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: we're at right now. Look no further than the worst

909
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 1: actor in this scenario, doctor Anthony Fauci, trying to cover

910
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: up his own past lies on the lap leak theory.

911
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. People forget that, but if you

912
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: go back, then even though you lean towards feeling that

913
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: this is more likely a natural occurrence, we always felt

914
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: that you've got to keep an open mind, all of us.

915
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: We didn't get up and start announcing it, but we've

916
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: always said keep an open mind and continue to look.

917
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: So I think it's a bit of a distortion to

918
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: say that we deliberately suppress that. Oh, a bit of

919
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: a distortion, huh, doctor Fauci. Luckily we live in the

920
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: Internet age, and that falsehood is easily disproven. Some of

921
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: us remember happened this one in May of twenty twenty,

922
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: in which Fauci definitively said there was no evidence whatsoever

923
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: that the coronavirus lead from the Wuhan lab, saying, quote

924
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: everything about the step wise evolution over time strongly indicates

925
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: this virus evolved in nature and then jump species. We

926
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: also know from the Fauci emails revealed earlier this month

927
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: that at the time Fauci said that he had countervailing

928
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: evidence of the very fact in his inbox on January

929
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: thirty first, twenty twenty one, from a scientist later involved

930
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: in the cover up itself. The virus was quote not

931
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: consistent with evolutionary theory. I know I'm retreading old facts.

932
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: I want to underscore this for all of you, the

933
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: extent to which the people in charge shamelessly lied to

934
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: us all and make no mistake, this matters. People were

935
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: removed from Twitter for floating the lablique theory, many people

936
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: discussing it were given terms of service violations based upon

937
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: completely wrong reporting from the mainstream media. We saw the

938
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: full danger of oligarchic power when legacy media outlets get

939
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: to decide what is true and what is not, and

940
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: then their allies at the tech companies and elsewhere in

941
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: our culture enforced their vision of the truth, whatever the

942
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: facts may be. My message to all of them, at

943
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: least those who might be aware of this show. Is this?

944
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: Have you no shame? Do you not currently have enough

945
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: egg on your face from this not to keep at it.

946
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: I'll preface this part and say this, I don't know

947
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: a goddamn thing about ivermectin, covid or spike proteins. I

948
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: personally believe the vaccine is completely safe. I got two

949
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: doses of maderna. I feel better than ever. Chrystal got

950
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: the vaccine as well. But what I would say is this,

951
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: at this point, how can the tech companies confidently say

952
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: they know anything with certainty when it comes to coronavirus?

953
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: How can they have so much hubris that they are

954
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: willing to outrite censor doctor Brett Weinstein on this when

955
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: all he did was have a panel of experts and

956
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: discuss it a year ago. A year ago, Weinstein was

957
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: the first and frankly only real voice willing to even

958
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: discuss the Lablik theory prominently. I have no idea if

959
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: what he is saying is true or not. Only that,

960
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I know him to be an important source of information

961
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: to me perertionally. But the worst part is this, The

962
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: people who are telling us that Weinstein is wrong in

963
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: this case. The people who are ensuring that he will

964
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: be taken off the platform and to those that they

965
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: rely on for expertise, they're the ones who lied to

966
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: us about the lab leak theory in the first place.

967
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: This is the problem with events like this. Who are

968
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: we supposed to trust? After Vietnam and IRAQWMD and the

969
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: financial crisis, most Americans can reasonably say they probably shouldn't

970
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: trust anything the government tells them whenever a war is involved.

971
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: And now when it comes to coronavirus and the outright

972
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: cover up of the lab leak theory, we're in a

973
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: very similar situation. We're in a disinformation crisis. Like the

974
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: media says. The problem is is the very purveyors of

975
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: disinformation are those charged of telling us the truth and

976
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: those who they listen to. It is dangerous times that

977
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: we are living in and it is only going to

978
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: get worse, all right, Guys, super psyched to have here

979
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: in the flesh in the studio, the one and only

980
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: economic supporter for the Washington Post that we rely on

981
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: here so much, Jeff Stine. Great to see you something

982
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: in the pandemic. It's great to see in person. Way

983
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: too long, dude, it has been a long time. I

984
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: don't think we'd actually never met before when we met

985
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: him by a skype. So it's fantastic. We know we

986
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: never had you in the Rising studio. I think this

987
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: is this is the first time, and I believe it

988
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: was like on a lark. I was like, I had

989
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: a pretty good tweet the other day. I was like,

990
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: got some good instincts, Let's have this guy on the

991
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: show shot, give him a shot, Let's see how it

992
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: works out. And he did bearing water for bezos over there.

993
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: I know with Joe Rogan, you guys have to figure

994
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: out some way to like keep upping the ante for

995
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: quality of guests. Right. I'm happy. That's why we got

996
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: you here, which is why we wanted to start with

997
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: the most important issue, which is how could you possibly

998
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: choose crunch rush wrap, the pre ever cheesy Gordida crunch,

999
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: which is clearly the superior item on the menu. I'm

1000
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: not really sure I can never be on the show again.

1001
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: You're both crazy where you ripped the mic off and

1002
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: walk out, you're both crazy not getting you know it's

1003
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: a highly underrated And then we're going to stop the

1004
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: Taco Bell prom ANTSI Corper. We're not getting paid for

1005
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: those guys. We just have a genuine affection for their products.

1006
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: Have you had the spicy potato soft taco It's like

1007
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: a little underrated. It's spicy potato sauce. It's very good.

1008
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: Add that to your country. That's right, that's right. We

1009
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: will happily accept free tacos here at breaking points. I

1010
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: just want to be speak for that. Let's get to serious.

1011
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: Higer probably has a serious question. Okay, let's throw all

1012
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. Jeff. We used to

1013
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: have you on all the time from CNBC just about

1014
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: jobless claims. Jobless claims can show a surprise increase to

1015
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: highest level in a month. There's a lot of discourse

1016
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: around this. We actually talked a little bit about on Rogan,

1017
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: which is that is just an unemployment crisis? Is that

1018
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: people just quitting their jobs? Is it a real great

1019
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: reassessment of work in America? First of all, what do

1020
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: you think? And then more importantly, what do the policymakers

1021
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: think and what are they going to do about this?

1022
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: So to start with what the policymakers think, they are

1023
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: convinced and I think it's pretty safe to say at

1024
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: this point that it's really not just Republicans, it's Democrats

1025
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: and some people in the White House and the business

1026
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: laws that have the year of Congress, that what is

1027
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: happening is that the unemployment benefits are too large. It's

1028
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: discouraging people from working, and that is leading to people

1029
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: staying home, and also with the unemployment benefits expiring in September,

1030
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: that people might be you know, availing themselves of that

1031
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: by staying home. Sure, all the workers you talk to

1032
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: say that this is obviously a preposterous notion that workers

1033
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: need to be paid more to be able to come

1034
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: back to work. That they had many of them had

1035
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: quite a realization during COVID that life is short and

1036
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: that they don't want to be doing jobs that they

1037
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: found brutal, often oppressive, with terrible bosses. And there's been

1038
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: what my colleague color Long I think very aptly called

1039
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: sort of a great rethink going on right now, not

1040
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: just really in the service sector, but in sort of

1041
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: America writ large, where people white collar jobs that are rough,

1042
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, even people who are working at law firms

1043
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: getting paid well. A lot of those people, you know,

1044
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: you hear stories about tremendous signing bonuses because people are

1045
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: having trouble finding young associates were willing to come in.

1046
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 1: You're seeing in this country that the pandemic open these

1047
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: sort of new vistas for people to really rethink what

1048
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: is my job, Where do I want to work? What

1049
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: kind of job do I want to have? And you're

1050
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: coupling that with a lot of sort of supply chain

1051
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: uncertainty coming out of the recession. A lot of suppliers

1052
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: are really struggling to match demand that was poured in

1053
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: through the stimulus. And I think I'm really glad you

1054
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: guys open with this, because that is a tremendously scary sign.

1055
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: Federal policy makers are, you know, leaning very aggressively towards

1056
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: taking off federal support, and yet we're seeing that, you know,

1057
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: tons of people are still out of work. Unemployment claims

1058
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: are still elevated, but by dramatic levels from where they

1059
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: were before COVID, and there's really little appetite in Washington.

1060
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there's almost universal consensus at this point that

1061
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: the unemployment benefits need to go away. I got questions

1062
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: about it all the time, you know, can you push

1063
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: lawmakers on this? And there's not even a window for

1064
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: those kinds of questions. It's just not even on the table.

1065
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: There's no talk of a fourth stimulus check what's whatever.

1066
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: It's like the number one question I get. And these

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Speaker 1: unemployment benefits are sure to end end in September. Wow.

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Speaker 1: You know something that actually Sager likes to point out,

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Speaker 1: which I think is really important, underscores there was a

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Speaker 1: choice made at the beginning of the pandemic for how

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Speaker 1: economically we're going to respond. In some countries around the world,

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Speaker 1: what they decided to do is basically backstop payrolls, so

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Speaker 1: people effectively stayed in the jobs that they had, they

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Speaker 1: stayed attached to those jobs. We took a different course.

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Speaker 1: We pushed people more towards the unemployment program. It seems

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Speaker 1: like that's helping to create this churn in this great

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Speaker 1: reset or wakening or whatever you want to call I

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Speaker 1: think reset has other like conspiratory expiritor. I forget that

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Speaker 1: I said that one, but this great rethink of how

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Speaker 1: people want to spend their days. You know, in America,

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Speaker 1: for so long we've been taught and made to make

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Speaker 1: work our center of our identity. So it seems like

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Speaker 1: at the white collar professional level, you have people who

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Speaker 1: are saying, you know, I actually kind of liked having

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Speaker 1: time with my kids. I kind of liked I got

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Speaker 1: used to working from home. Maybe I don't want to

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Speaker 1: live in this giant city. We want to move somewhere

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Speaker 1: cheaper and continue working from home and have less hours

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Speaker 1: and sort of rebounds a life. Lower down the spectrum,

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Speaker 1: you have people who, as you're pointing out, they were

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Speaker 1: maybe in industries that were really hard hit they lost

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Speaker 1: their jobs, or they were in industries where they're shoved

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Speaker 1: down on the front lines with very little regard to

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Speaker 1: their own safety, put at risk. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: go through this again. So do you think that those

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Speaker 1: choices at the very beginning of the pandemic from a

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Speaker 1: policy perspective, helped create this rethink that we're seeing now.

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Speaker 1: That's a really deep question. I hadn't quite thought about

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Speaker 1: it like that. I mean, I think when the US,

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Speaker 1: the US did try to do this, they had the

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Speaker 1: paycheck Protection Program, which was in theory money to employers

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Speaker 1: that then they would use to keep their workers retained

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Speaker 1: at least even if they weren't coming into the office

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Speaker 1: they were still an idle worker. But the amazing thing

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Speaker 1: about the US is that our social infrastructure and our

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00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: economic infrastructure is so decrepit from forty years of cuts

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Speaker 1: that we didn't have the infrastruct to do what the

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Speaker 1: European countries did by keeping workers at least nominally attached

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Speaker 1: to their jobs. And that's what led to so many people,

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Speaker 1: as you accurately pointed out, getting into unemployment. And I

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00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: think you're right that that did cause this bit of

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Speaker 1: disconnection between that that wasn't the case in other countries,

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Speaker 1: between the job and people's daily lives. And you also saw,

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Speaker 1: you know, the unemployment benefits came through in such weird

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Speaker 1: and strange ways, and people, you know, even if they

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00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: got a tremendous amount of unemployment benefits, they went months

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Speaker 1: and months without them. So like a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that I talked to, you would go like three or

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Speaker 1: four months, and in that period, people would have to move,

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Speaker 1: they'd move back home, they take up new hobbies, they'd

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Speaker 1: explore different interests, and that kind of period was I

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Speaker 1: think very crucial for people to say exactly what you're describing,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that this is what I want to

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Speaker 1: be doing the rest of my life. Especially you know,

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Speaker 1: you read stories of like, you know, young people who

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Speaker 1: have just worked at a gas station for their entire

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Speaker 1: lives under a terrible boss. You know, why are they

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Speaker 1: going to go back to that? And you know, the

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Speaker 1: idea that we might actually be empowering workers to have

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Speaker 1: a little bit of leverage and negotiation with employers is

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Speaker 1: something that's very, very radical. If it's still so transient

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Speaker 1: and so small, and still this brief, tenuous moment that's

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Speaker 1: probably going to operate in the next few months, it's

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Speaker 1: a very weird time and an interesting time to be

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Speaker 1: any economics reporter. Let's talk about it in the context

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Speaker 1: of DC then and what's next. So we've got infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: there's all these reconciliation packages. There are supposedly bipartisan groups,

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Speaker 1: and then sometimes they fall apart. I can't even really

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Speaker 1: keep up. Yeah, probably the tweet that I read like

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Speaker 1: ten times, you're like, he's stopped negotiating with the bipart group,

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Speaker 1: but now he's negotiating with like I gave it was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the group of twenty g twenty, and then

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Speaker 1: the group of seven and the group of nine and there.

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Speaker 1: If the tweets are impossible to understand, you have to

1145
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: keep reading. Yeah, okay, all right, so all of that,

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Speaker 1: what what the hell is going on? Are we going

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Speaker 1: to get an infrastructure package, what's going to be in it?

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Speaker 1: Who are the primary players involved? What is the White

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00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: House thinking? So for a long time, like my verses

1150
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: on the left have been kind of like hearing from

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Speaker 1: their buddies in the White House that this bipart is

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00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: and infrastructure play is just to show meant to convince

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Speaker 1: mansion in cinema that the White House is really trying

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Speaker 1: to do a bipartisan deal. And I have very I

1155
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Speaker 1: totally think that's wrong. Like, I think the White House

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Speaker 1: really wants this. I think they're determined to do what

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Speaker 1: Trump couldn't do, which is to say I got to

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Speaker 1: bypart is one trillion dollars infrastructure deal. We're going to

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Speaker 1: fix the roads and bridges a little. This is a

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Speaker 1: little like Congressional insiders stuff. But one of the big

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Speaker 1: problems right now is that to pass you know, the

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Speaker 1: required measures to do physical infrastructure roads, bridges, ports, that

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Speaker 1: requires sixty votes for that specific physical infrastructure piece. So

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in the Democratic Caucus who

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Speaker 1: are saying, we have to do the sixty votes to

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Speaker 1: get that part of it right. But people on the

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Speaker 1: left are saying, you know, the roads and bridges and ports,

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Speaker 1: that's really important, but it's not climate change, which is

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Speaker 1: you know, remember climate change really sure? Yeah, yeah, big deal.

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Speaker 1: And if we don't ensure that we tackle climate change

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Speaker 1: in this bill, we are missing potentially our last chance

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Speaker 1: really to prevent three or four degrees of warming. Right,

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Speaker 1: So it might be nice to have these people also

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Speaker 1: supports them. You know, they support the roads and bridges

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Speaker 1: and ports, but they're saying, let's not take this gamble

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Speaker 1: where we're going to go and do a bipartisan deal,

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Speaker 1: get the sixty votes for the roads, bridges, and ports,

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Speaker 1: but with something that Republicans will support, which means invariably

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Speaker 1: it will not have adequ requirement measures as Democrats see it.

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Speaker 1: And so that's becoming the core fight right now in Washington.

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Speaker 1: Can Democrats trust that if they do this bipartisan bill

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Speaker 1: and infrastructure with roads, ports, and bridges, that Cinnamon and

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Speaker 1: Mansion will be there for a second bill that does

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Speaker 1: the climate component. Yeah, that's like, I think the most

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Speaker 1: important question right now, and I don't think anybody really

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Speaker 1: knows how that's going to shake out to trust that

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Speaker 1: they will come back and do it is something that

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Speaker 1: you know you're in. Recently hear AOC promote Jipall say like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: why are we going to have faith that this is

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Speaker 1: going to happen. We need to say no until we

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Speaker 1: get the climate components in there. So you're going to

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Speaker 1: hear more of that for sure in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. That's interesting because that was my big question.

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Speaker 1: Is the assumption seemed to be if we pass this

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Speaker 1: bipartisan infrastructure thing, then Mansion's going to feel like he

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Speaker 1: had cover he did the bipartisan thing, and he'll go

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Speaker 1: along with another reconciliation. But we don't actually know that

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Speaker 1: that's the case, right, That's just like a theory. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's possible that Mansion called Biden and said like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I got your back on the next one, like I

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Speaker 1: am not aware of that, but not been reported. None

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Speaker 1: of my White House sources have heard of something like that. Theoretically,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's giving these private assurances that he's going to

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Speaker 1: be on board for the next one. But until there's

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Speaker 1: like some indication of that, I don't think we should

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Speaker 1: just take that on blind faith. And then how close

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Speaker 1: are the two sides on even the narrow infrastructure piece,

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Speaker 1: which is Biden's original proposal was how much two trillion? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and now that it's we're talking about five hundred million

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Speaker 1: in new spending, is that or five hundred billion new spending?

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Speaker 1: Is that where we are? Yeah, it's about a trillion

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Speaker 1: in total infrastructure spending. Half of that money is new spending,

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Speaker 1: so about five hundred billion. So yeah, a b A

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Speaker 1: big decline from A Biden initially. And do we have

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Speaker 1: agreement on the pay for because Republicans were reposing basically

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Speaker 1: an increase in the gas tax, right, which I know

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Speaker 1: Democrats have been opposed to user fees also on electric

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Speaker 1: vehicles as well. Is that still where they are? It

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Speaker 1: is really interesting that one of the ways they're talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, at this moment of climate emergency, what if

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Speaker 1: we put an additional what if we just incentivize the

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Speaker 1: electric cars? Yeah? You know, I think in general, when

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Speaker 1: you look at the pay for discussion and the negotiations generally,

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Speaker 1: having now done like a few of these, it always

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Speaker 1: looks like no, no, no, no, no, like they have

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Speaker 1: all these obstacles, all these obstacles. But I think there's

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Speaker 1: like definitely a path for an agreement. The pay for

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Speaker 1: as you said, is the most tricky part. They released

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Speaker 1: like eleven like ideas for pay for it has but

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Speaker 1: nothing specific, like no numbers behind them. So among the

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Speaker 1: biggest ones are like repurposing COVID money. That could be dicey,

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Speaker 1: but there's probably room there, given that Democrats are seemingly

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Speaker 1: open to taking you know, leftover money from COVID relief,

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Speaker 1: you know, either unemployment or state aid. Closing the tax

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Speaker 1: gap seems to be one that they could maybe compromise on.

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Speaker 1: Republicans don't seem to characterize that as a tax increase,

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Speaker 1: you know, you just increase IRS enforcement. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of money there. There could be five hundred, six hundred

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Speaker 1: billion dollars there. So I think there is a window.

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Speaker 1: It's we are really waiting for details. And the idea

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Speaker 1: of you know, disincentivizing EVS is going to be something

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Speaker 1: that I think is going to be really hard for

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Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats I think, to take. But there's

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Speaker 1: a path for sure. So what's the timeline on us, Jeff?

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Speaker 1: I've heard as what so they said the September deadline

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Speaker 1: is close, which I found incredible. It just tells you

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Speaker 1: a lot about Congress. Is the August recess still on?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's screw with that? And when

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Speaker 1: is this thing actually going to pass? I know that

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Speaker 1: the first reconcilation, the original reconciliation window they were looking

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01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. So now they're going to

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Speaker 1: wait to the next one. What's it look like? I

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Speaker 1: think if you measured like Jeff Stein breaking points appearance, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty good shot of the bipartisan

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Speaker 1: when passing in September. And then we spend like the

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Speaker 1: next the last year before the midterms, and just like

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01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: knock out, drag out fight over whether the childcare and

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Speaker 1: taxes on the rich and climate measures get passed, and

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Speaker 1: it's like a giant mess for the for the next year.

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Speaker 1: Got it? And then finally, what is your What are

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Speaker 1: your sources on the left saying about their strategy? We're

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Speaker 1: hearing a little bit of, you know, public certainly complaints,

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01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: AOC floating, hey, we may not be there for you

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Speaker 1: on this smaller infrastructure deal if climate changes and involved.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're actually going to take a hard line?

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01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 1: Have they developed a strategy yet? I think at this point,

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Speaker 1: like if they were to vo on what they've proposed,

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Speaker 1: the squad would vote against it. Most of the Congressional

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Speaker 1: Progressive Caucus would vote against it. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's going to be nearly enough to kill it. They

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Speaker 1: don't have the votes. I mean, they get a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention, they're sort of more interesting ideologically to cover

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01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: than a lot of the Central's Democrats. But the bulk

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Speaker 1: of the caucuses is going to be especially people you

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Speaker 1: know who want to go in you know, New Hampshire

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Speaker 1: and you know the swing swing Senate seats and swing

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Speaker 1: House seats. Thinking in the caucuses, this is a good

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Speaker 1: thing to run on for reelection, to say that I

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Speaker 1: helped bring about a bipartisan deal, I helped fix you know,

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Speaker 1: your rods and bridges in your home community, and that

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Speaker 1: might that might be a real political incentive. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the left has the votes to kill

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Speaker 1: this on the climate grounds. Yeah, at this point. Good

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Speaker 1: to see us, sir, and for everybody, thank you all

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Speaker 1: for sticking with us. It has been a crazy week.

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Speaker 1: We were on Joe Rogan, we were in Austin, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Just got back last night very late at night, I

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Speaker 1: flew like a normal person. Like a normal person, I

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Speaker 1: got on an airplane. All of that being said, we

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