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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: I'm into studies about relationships. I know they don't give

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Speaker 1: the whole picture, but they so often give interesting insight

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Speaker 1: into what's really going on between people. Somebody posted a

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Speaker 1: Frontiers in Psychology study. It was looking at why large

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Speaker 1: numbers of people in Western societies are single, and they

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Speaker 1: had some interesting notes like women are a little more

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Speaker 1: likely to say that they're too picky eighty two percent

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Speaker 1: of women versus sixty eight percent of men. Both men

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Speaker 1: and women say they're afraid of commitment at about fifty

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Speaker 1: five percent. Both are in the high eighties in the

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Speaker 1: want to be free to do whatever they want. Men

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Speaker 1: want to be free to quote flirt around slightly more

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Speaker 1: than women twenty seven percent versus eighteen percent. But then

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Speaker 1: what was really interesting to me is that both sexes

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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly say that they're not good at flirting. Ninety one

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Speaker 1: percent of women and eighty six percent of men said that.

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Speaker 1: And again, I think it's interesting that more women ninety

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Speaker 1: one percent of women versus eighty six percent of men

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Speaker 1: say that. I thought that was kind of funny, But they're,

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Speaker 1: you know, both pretty high up there, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's a real problem. Flirting is signaling interest, and one

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Speaker 1: of the best ways to signal interest is to ask

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Speaker 1: people questions about themselves and then listen for the answer.

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Speaker 1: There's more to flirting, of course, but you know, there's banter,

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Speaker 1: and there's making people feel good about themselves. But I

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Speaker 1: think the overall issue is that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: just don't know how to have conversations anymore at all.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to ignore that the generations that are struggling

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Speaker 1: with things like flirting, the ones who are perpetually single,

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Speaker 1: the ones who aren't getting married, the ones who aren't

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Speaker 1: having kids, are the same generations that have had the

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Speaker 1: Internet their entire lives. I talk a lot about living

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Speaker 1: your life offline, and I admit that I do a

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Speaker 1: lot of my socializing online. I've made close friends online.

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Speaker 1: I really do get the concept that the Internet can

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Speaker 1: be used for good and social media can actually be social.

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Speaker 1: But I'm Generation X and I had to learn to

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Speaker 1: talk to people before there was an internet. I really

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Speaker 1: do think that too much screen time makes people boring

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Speaker 1: in real life. It starts so absurdly young. Now I've

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Speaker 1: written about this before, but I've watched families get to

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Speaker 1: under umbrellas with their phones for the day, or arrive

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Speaker 1: at restaurants and hand out iPads for the children with

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Speaker 1: no expectations of any interaction throughout the meal. A playdate

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Speaker 1: at a park is two kids staring at iPads side

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Speaker 1: by side. I'm not perfect. I've definitely given my kids

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Speaker 1: a phone and a restaurant if it ran too late

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Speaker 1: or if they were melting down. Nobody's perfect, But the

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Speaker 1: idea of just getting there and handing out devices and

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Speaker 1: not even trying to have them, you know, have conversations

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Speaker 1: or interact at all. It's bad. Kids need boredom. They

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Speaker 1: cannot be entertained every minute of every day. Kids who

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Speaker 1: can't be bored end up being boring. You see their

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Speaker 1: dull faces, incapable of maintaining a conversation with anyone. Eye

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Speaker 1: contact is impossible. They can't function, they're on a drug,

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Speaker 1: and everyone seems like they're okay with it. That's the

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Speaker 1: worst part of too much screen time. It leads to

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Speaker 1: people who can't meaningfully participate in society. They don't know

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Speaker 1: how to have relationships. The phone literally stands between them

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Speaker 1: and real life, and that real life it's awkward, it's tedious,

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Speaker 1: it's monotonous. It just can't compete with the constant dopamine

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Speaker 1: When you're always perfecting your angles or dropping just exactly

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Speaker 1: the right words online, it gets very tough to function

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Speaker 1: in real life. And I think studies like this prove

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Speaker 1: that out there are no easy answers. But if I

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Speaker 1: were single right now and I didn't want to be,

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Speaker 1: I would cut way back on my Internet usage. I

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Speaker 1: know it sounds kind of counterintuitive since so much of

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Speaker 1: the dating world originates online. Now, look, continue swiping if

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Speaker 1: that's how you meet people, but really limit how much

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Speaker 1: more time you spend beyond that scrolling. And if you

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Speaker 1: have kids, I understand the impulse to let them use

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Speaker 1: screens just like their friends do. Again, we let our

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Speaker 1: kids use screens. I'm not going to lie to you

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Speaker 1: and say we don't. But not at restaurants, not at

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Speaker 1: the beach, not in places where they should be talking

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Speaker 1: to other people and learning how to have conversations. Teach

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Speaker 1: them how to have conversations where they ask questions, listen

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Speaker 1: for the response add something to what everyone else is saying,

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Speaker 1: that ten percent of the population that apparently knows how

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Speaker 1: to flirt. Coming up next and interview with Brian Kilmead.

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Speaker 1: Join us after the break.

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Speaker 2: My next guest is Fox News host and New York

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Speaker 2: Times best selling author Brian kill Mead. He's written a

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Speaker 2: new book out now, Teddy and Booker, t how two

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Speaker 2: American icons blazed a path for racial equality. Thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for coming on my show, Brian.

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Speaker 3: Usually i'm interviewing you.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's so exciting your column or your kids.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is great.

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Speaker 1: I am extremely excited to read your book, and I

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Speaker 1: have loved your previous history books.

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Speaker 2: I think you're just fantastic, So thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about your new book.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to move up through time, and I started

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Speaker 4: with George Washington's Spy Ring and then what after that

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Speaker 4: was something unplowed, which was Thomas Jefferson took on the

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Speaker 4: Islamic extremists to TRIPLEI Pirates.

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Speaker 3: I loved that one.

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Speaker 1: The Triple One was amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean we were on track to get

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Speaker 4: it was supposed to be on an e They scripted

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Speaker 4: it out to be a three part series, and the pandemic hit.

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Speaker 3: You heard about the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: I have heard about the pandemic. Yeah, I mean I'm

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Speaker 1: in Florida now. They don't really know about it down

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Speaker 4: The crazy thing that they allowed people to walk on

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Speaker 4: the beach and they got criticized for that, you remember, right,

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Speaker 4: So then we got to the War of eighteen twelve,

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Speaker 4: and then I got to the Texas how it came

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Speaker 4: I thought, how do I take on the Civil War?

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Speaker 4: American audience. I said, what if I just talked about

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Speaker 4: how Lincoln and Frederick Douglas worked together, which brings me

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Speaker 4: to what's next? And I just said, well, who picked

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Speaker 4: up where they left off that had some time interaction

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Speaker 4: read up from slavery booker T. Washington's autobiography that was

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Speaker 4: the best African American bestseller until Malcolm XU released is,

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Speaker 4: and it was just so motivating, inspirational, an Teddy Roosevelt's sender.

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Speaker 4: And then talking to his I went to a descendants

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Speaker 4: know motive by I said, Tweet, well could you tell

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Speaker 4: he went off and he said, oh, what a great relationship.

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Speaker 4: It's unexplored and this is what goes. He knew everything cold.

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Speaker 4: And I said, okay, not, you know, not well worn out.

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Speaker 4: What if I talk about how they looked at America.

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Speaker 4: That was Jim Crow, poll taxes, stepper body, equal.

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Speaker 3: The whole.

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Speaker 4: You know what the South was like in some in

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Speaker 4: many Southern states back then.

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Speaker 3: You know what the Democrats were like.

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Speaker 4: And that's I said, Well, let me tell here's a

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Speaker 4: spend the rest of his life trying to make it

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Speaker 4: better through education, which is right up your alley. And

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Speaker 4: he did it through which was I just did an

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Speaker 4: years ago because he was build up your mind, spoke

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Speaker 4: it to Washington. But everybody's going to learn a trade.

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Speaker 4: And he's also, by the way, you're going to learn

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Speaker 4: that trade. Here are you going to Are you going

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Speaker 4: to be a cabinet maker great? Are you going to

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Speaker 4: be a construction gun fantastic? Going to be into agriculture,

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Speaker 3: You will learn to trade.

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Speaker 4: Why because white people aren't ready to hire you yet,

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Speaker 4: so you have to be invaluable. They got to realize

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Speaker 4: you got to be so good they can't deny you.

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Speaker 4: And instead of just making Booker T. Washington great, which

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Speaker 4: he was, he decided to make a generation great. Thousands

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Speaker 4: with the Rosenwald Schools, learning of trade, building up the mind,

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Speaker 4: overcoming any racist racial barriers that were in our country

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Speaker 4: at the time. I thought that would be a pretty

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Speaker 4: cool story to bring forward because Teddy Roosevelt was another guy. Okay,

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Speaker 4: he was born into wealth, but he almost died. He

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Speaker 3: Couldn't go to regular school.

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Speaker 4: First time he went to formal school was he when

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Speaker 4: he ends up becoming this robust individual who decided to

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Speaker 4: And when he looked back and his mom was born

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Speaker 4: So he had a knowledge of the South. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: But he wanted to understand the South.

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Speaker 4: And he said, I re read up from Slavery too,

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Speaker 4: hold of this guy, Booker T. Washington, and then we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really love that.

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Speaker 1: I think that both of them, I mean Teddy Roosevelt obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, we do learn about him in history class

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Speaker 1: Booker T. Washington less, but I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: just they're both kind of unexplored figures for I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think most kids going through a history education right now,

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Speaker 2: Know is a problem to me that we don't learn history.

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Speaker 1: But and obviously Teddy Roosevelt went through a moment where

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Speaker 1: History Museum the right, and I believe that statue was

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Speaker 1: it up. I love that you're telling the story of

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Speaker 1: these two men. So what was their you know relationship ultimately?

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Speaker 1: Like were they friends?

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Speaker 3: Carol? A couple of things.

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Speaker 4: Number one is the people that Teddy Roosevelt Museum, which

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Speaker 4: is now going to be in North Dakota where he

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Speaker 4: spent all this time ranching. It's such an impact on him,

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Speaker 4: they're going to they ship it out. They're going to

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Speaker 4: ship it out that direction. And the reason why they

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Speaker 4: which is not offensive, was unbelievable. They box it up

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Speaker 4: and split out. That's when we were drunk with anger

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Speaker 4: and it's embarrassing. I was doing the history of the

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Speaker 3: We love this country. I have a different vision to

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Speaker 4: I'm going to the Catholic school down the block, the

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Speaker 1: That's right, and how do we get your book in

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Speaker 3: And he thinks, what am I going to do?

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Speaker 4: I gotta go, you know, I'm going to go down

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Speaker 4: of the Amazon. He almost dies and it would eventually

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Speaker 4: from Booker T. Washington kind of hid his high and

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Speaker 4: he was on the down side for a couple of

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Speaker 4: last wish was to die at Tuskegee, and he did.

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Speaker 3: Teddy Roosevelt was one of the speakers at his funeral.

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Speaker 3: So I think they did reach.

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Speaker 4: I think they realized they were impact, but they were

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Speaker 4: never satisfied, right, So it sounds everything You got to

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Speaker 4: if you're ever satisfied, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, such a range of answers to this.

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Speaker 1: I just I love asking this question because I always

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Speaker 1: get like, you know, just people who you think would

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Speaker 3: It's just it's.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting to see where people think that they are

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Speaker 1: Roosevelt and Booker T. Washington might have imagined if they know,

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Speaker 1: if they felt that they had made it.

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Speaker 4: So I would think that the one thing about Teddy

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Speaker 4: Roosevelt is underappreciate I told you about Booker T.

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Speaker 3: Is his family.

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Speaker 4: His family is all over his biographies, for autobiographies, his biographies,

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Speaker 4: you research him, he would just when he was with

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Speaker 4: his kids. Obviously there's no phones, so it's a big advantage. Well,

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Speaker 4: he would be all in. There'll be one adventure after another.

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Speaker 4: And his dad was the same way. When his dad

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Speaker 4: as busy as he was successful, as he was no communication,

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Speaker 4: no cars, he still was always there for him, especially

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Speaker 4: when they were so worried about his respiration and we

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Speaker 4: got to help this kid. So he always felt really

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Speaker 4: close to his family. So it does go to show

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Speaker 4: you you can have.

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Speaker 3: This historically successful career yeah, and still have the other

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Speaker 3: if you choose with a little luck. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Brian, I've loved having you on. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to read Teddy and Booker t how two American icons

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Speaker 1: blazed a path for racial equality. My last question that

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Speaker 1: I also ask all of my guests is to end

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Speaker 1: with your best tip for my listeners on how they

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Speaker 1: can improve their lives. And it could be obviously what

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Speaker 1: you've learned from Teddy and Booker.

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Speaker 4: I'll do it, and it's not earth shattering or cutting edge,

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Speaker 4: but I just think you got to take some time

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Speaker 4: separate them and ask yourself why, and if your wise

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Speaker 4: or strong enough o happen. You write them down two

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Speaker 4: sides of the same page, keep it to yourself, in

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Speaker 4: your pocket, or share with your family.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you're more comfortable with. Might be too personal and

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Speaker 3: it'll happen.

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Speaker 4: You take some time to look at that every day

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Speaker 4: and it'll manifest itself in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 4: If your why is strong enough. If you just want

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Speaker 4: to be famous to prove to your parents that I'm

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Speaker 4: not the loser you thought I was, it's not going

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Speaker 4: to work, or when you get there, you're never going

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Speaker 4: to be satisfied if your why is strong enough. I

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Speaker 4: want to be famous and successful in order it's this

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Speaker 4: former foundation that maybe they help the most matter of

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Speaker 4: people possible. I want to prove to somebody in my

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Speaker 4: neighborhood that somebody like me could emerge.

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Speaker 3: That's fine. I want to be the best basketball coach

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Speaker 3: in high school history, that's great.

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Speaker 4: I want to affect five thousand kids, thirty kids at

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Speaker 4: a time in football, that's great.

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Speaker 3: So whatever it is, the more detailed, the better chance

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Speaker 3: it has of coming through.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Brian, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Carolyn. Just if anyone wants to seen me

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Speaker 4: on the road, I'm Aliva Florida. Brian kill me dot com.

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Speaker 4: I got a whole list there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna definitely go. I'm going to surprise you

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Speaker 2: at one of the events.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give you twenty percent off the admission.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, it's big you guys, go get it.

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Speaker 3: Carol, thank you, thanks.

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Speaker 1: So much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show.

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