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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. I am your host, Claude Harmon. This

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Speaker 1: week's guest Brendan Quinn. I haven't had a journalist on.

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Speaker 1: I've had some TV people on, but I hadn't had

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Speaker 1: a journalist on full disclosure. We recorded this last Thursday

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Speaker 1: during the day. We I mean everybody pretty much knew

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Speaker 1: as kind of a hypothetical. Even though we thought he

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Speaker 1: was going to sign You never know. I mean, all

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to get a journalist on because I

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Speaker 1: hadn't had one on before. I had some people that

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Speaker 1: someone who writes. And the thing I like about Brendan

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Speaker 1: he doesn't come from a golf background. He starts. He

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Speaker 1: still writes college basketball. But I wanted to get someone's

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Speaker 1: I think in twenty twenty three, I think everybody's opinion

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Speaker 1: thought to get a fresh take Brendan. I really like

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Speaker 1: his writing, and we talked about some good stuff. Listen.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy times, and I don't want to bombard all

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Speaker 1: it's impossible, given you know, everything that's happened in the

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a really good podcast, and we

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Speaker 1: talked about some you know, some stuff that you know. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was important to get another point of view.

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Speaker 1: So sit back and enjoy listening to Brendan Quinn. I

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Speaker 1: guess is Brendan Quinn, you write for the Athletic both basketball,

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Speaker 1: college basketball and golf. But obviously we could talk about

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Speaker 1: college basketball. But it's the end of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three season. The golf landscape Brendon over the last two

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Speaker 1: years is just it's unrecognizable from what it once was.

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Speaker 1: On the podcast, I've talked about this, I've had players

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Speaker 1: talk about it, I've Caddy's stuff. But we're in the

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Speaker 1: But for those of us in the sport, I think

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Speaker 1: is crazy that when I look back at, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. It's for number one, it's

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Speaker 1: This kind of involvement in sports there is I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think mainly it's there's a difference between buying a

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Speaker 1: A journalist, it's just covering the sport. Yeah, what has

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Speaker 2: You hear people say one thing, and like it took

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Speaker 1: And it's crazy, it's not like is it like that?

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Speaker 3: There is nothing like that in this space.

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Speaker 2: Where it's like, you know, six months ago, if you

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Speaker 2: he's not going anywhere. You know, these guys are tent poles.

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Speaker 3: But also someone clearly on the back end of the career.

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Speaker 3: Rom's twenty six, twenty seven. So A, you have all

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Speaker 2: B you have his ranking, see you have he was

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Speaker 1: The face of the European tour.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: The thing that really I think is kind of the biggest,

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Speaker 2: Like John Rom ain't going anywhere for ten years, fifteen years,

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Speaker 2: up on it. I just think my buddies back home,

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00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: I live in Detroit, I play with like we are

435
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: public golf course guys, right, we have like our one

436
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: trip a year, like that's our group, right, And you

437
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: know they follow along with the rumors and send me

438
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: texts of like.

439
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 3: Man, is this real? Is rom going? And I'm like,

440
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, probably to but.

441
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 2: I think that's most people where there's no appeal to

442
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: any of this is there.

443
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that I see is to

444
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: me this this happens. What's happening currently between the PJ

445
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: Tour and Live. You know, the people at the Country,

446
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: the club that I work at, the finance people, They're like,

447
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: I don't understand what the big deal is. This happens

448
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: literally every single day in the business world. Companies, no competition.

449
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: Somebody you see a company that's vulnerable, you try and

450
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: buy them, they say no. Then you hear the guys

451
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: going through divorce, and you go, well, hey, wait a minute,

452
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: are you interested in selling?

453
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: Right?

454
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: No competition, but this happened. I mean Dan Rappaport I

455
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: saw where Taylor Gooch now has left the Range Goats

456
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: and gone to Smash and he's like, you never need

457
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: to know the lack of legitimacy for Live. When the

458
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: best player in the league goes to another team. I'm like,

459
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: that happens all the time, like pitchers in baseball. When

460
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: the side Garrett, the guy that played for the Astros

461
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: they won the World Series, Garrett Wilson, Garrett, I can't remember,

462
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: but he was playing for the Astros, Cy Young getting

463
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: paid a ton. The following year, they had a great year.

464
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: The following years at the Yankees try they paid more money,

465
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: they paid more money. And I guess being inside the

466
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: sport and being part of athletes, I've always I haven't

467
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: had an issue what's going on with live because I

468
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: am pro athlete, because I work for athletes. I work

469
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: for golfers, so I am a hired gun to professional golfers.

470
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: And I think that professional athletes, whether they're golfers, baseball,

471
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: but whatever, like everybody else in every other walk of

472
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: life and business, should have the opportunity and should be

473
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: able to make a choice to make as much.

474
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: Money as they want with that question.

475
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: That happens in every other walk of life. And I've

476
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: been fascinated as watching this happen for two years, and

477
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: I've always thought this about golf, and I think we're

478
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: in a stage right now crazy. You know the live rumors,

479
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: you know the John Romrouvers, the ball roll back and everybody.

480
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: But it's always seemed to me like there has been

481
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: this Truman Show utopian view of golf that golf has

482
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: to be this evergreen concept and thought that it never changes, right,

483
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: and it's the only thing in life that can't change.

484
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: It has to stay the way it was in the

485
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: fifties and sixties and all the rules and all the stuff.

486
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: And I've always thought that at times golf can seem

487
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: antiquated and archaic, and I don't think the sport grows

488
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: if we have more courses where it's impossible to become

489
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: a member right where you know there are only like

490
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: if you look at a lot of the guys when

491
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: you know when Jimmy Dunn and Ed hurleyhy are involved

492
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: in all this stuff for professional golf, I mean, those

493
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: guys are the golf illuminate. They're members at Cyprus Augusta

494
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: Pine Valley, similar they are part of something that the

495
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: majority of people in golf will never even be part of.

496
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: And I do think that there are certain people in

497
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: golf that are kind of the gatekeepers that, in my opinion,

498
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: sometimes want golf to stay the way it was and

499
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: the way their version of what it is should be

500
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: And I don't think that. Does that happen in other sports.

501
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: I'm maybe a little bit, you see a little bit

502
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: in college sports. There are people who are just against name,

503
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: image and likeness legislation and are just wow, we're.

504
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: Paying these guys.

505
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: And now it's all different and it's changed because it's

506
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: not my version of college football. And it's just like

507
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: and when I went to school, Hell, does it matter

508
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 2: to you if this nineteen or twenty year old kid

509
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: is able to make a car commercial and get.

510
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: The universities making one hundred and fifteen, the coach is

511
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: making fifteen million.

512
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: Making ten million a year? What is the hashue?

513
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: College coaches get paid a lot. They don't get paid

514
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: as much as Jay Monahan does.

515
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: Facts, but I think you do see it there though.

516
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 2: There is this ideal of the college sports. Are these

517
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: guys coming, they get their scholarships, They play for my

518
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: school with that school's name across the tire, and that's

519
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 2: all that matters. But when you tell them, oh, well

520
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: the playing fields, that evening out a little bit. Now

521
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: the kids are getting some money, they have control, they

522
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: can go to whatever school they want, because guess what,

523
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: the school doesn't matter They're just going to play their game,

524
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: maybe go to some glasses, maybe get into I don't know,

525
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: it's really up at this point.

526
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: It's up to the athlete. If the kid wants to

527
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: get a degree, then get a degree. They don't let

528
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: me do it.

529
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: But it is a pathway to the professional sports. So

530
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: you see a lot of pushback there, and I think

531
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: there's there's all kinds of stuff that goes into that

532
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: of why so it's just people like college sports and

533
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: other people. I just don't think like seeing kids get

534
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: money and be entitled. So that's the closest comp that

535
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: I can find. Now, it's obviously the other sport that

536
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: I cover, so it's easy. But the difference that comes

537
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: with professional golf though, at the end of the day,

538
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: is that what is there to identify with in a

539
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: professional golfer? Right, I'm from Philadelphia, so I'm an Eagles guy, Phillies.

540
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: Six, right, So there's a lot of teams.

541
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: I went to Saint Joe's University in Philadelphia, so Seeing

542
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: Joe's is my school, so were the guys who play

543
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: for those teams?

544
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: Those are my guys, you know, And there's just nothing

545
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: like that.

546
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: And golf you have to pick an individual.

547
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: They're just they're just people.

548
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: You're a Rory guy, You're a j T guy, You're

549
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: a DJ guy, whatever guy you are.

550
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: Like, what's the is there?

551
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: How many of those guys actually had like carry emotional

552
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: attachments from their fans. Tiger did, But Tiger doesn't count.

553
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: He's his own sport basically.

554
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: But these guys, you.

555
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: Know, everyone's just kind of along for the ride with them,

556
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: but they're not living and dying. They're not you know,

557
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: when if they blow it on a Sunday, that fan

558
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: isn't waking up on Monday morning crushed for the next

559
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: three days. The Eagles loose to the Cowboys this weekend,

560
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: people filled up, You're gonna be pissed on Monday.

561
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: It's it's different.

562
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: So, you know, and live creating teams, that's not you know,

563
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: people are not gonna ever have that attachment to those

564
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: teams they're trying.

565
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't.

566
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: I just me personally, I just don't see that ever

567
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: being a real thing. I like the team competition, but

568
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's gonna ever be just ride or

569
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: die for smash.

570
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: That's just the rider die for smash. I'mna make a

571
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: t I'm gonna tell Brooks to make a t shirt.

572
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Rid Er die for Smash. You mentioned Tiger Woods. Obviously

573
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: Tiger didn't go to Live. I think Tiger basically right

574
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: now is kind of the de facto. He and Roy

575
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: are the face of the PGA Tour. In twenty twenty three,

576
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: Tiger came back at the Hero last week his tournament

577
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: said he's probably gonna play, you know, maybe once a month. Okay,

578
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Does the game of golf and

579
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: the professional game of golf still need Tiger?

580
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: I think so.

581
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean, does it like need it is an interesting

582
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: way of putting it. I know they want in terms

583
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: of moving the needle, in terms of still getting casuals

584
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: to watch, in terms of getting extra attention.

585
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it needs it. It's extremely cred I still think.

586
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: That one of the knock on lives, and you mentioned it. Listen,

587
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: the team nobody cares. I'm not gonna get involved in that.

588
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: A lot of people say, listen, I just I don't care.

589
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't care who's playing it. I'm not gonna watch.

590
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: You still think that the casual, not die Hard, but

591
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: the casual golf fan and the casual non golf fan

592
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: will tune in. If Tiger Woods teased up at.

593
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: Riviera, I think they're more likely to. And if he

594
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: can do anything, the people are gonna pay attention to it.

595
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: I don't really care anymore because I just don't think

596
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: it's a really competitive venture anymore. But you know, people

597
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: will come out, people will buy a ticket, ask Rivier

598
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: if they want Tiger to play, you know, I mean

599
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: it getting people to come out and physically spend money.

600
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, But there's also I've always thought at this point

601
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: there's an argument to be made for Tiger because his

602
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: body is where it is now. He's only going to

603
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: play a very very limited schedule, right, So the question

604
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: is can he get the momentum he needs to be

605
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: competitive again, and obviously he's going to be competitive in

606
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: the majors or at this point is it Michael Jackson

607
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: in sal Polo in front of three hundred thousand people saying,

608
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: this is my new this is the song off my

609
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: new album, and Everyody's going just play PYT and Thriller

610
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: totally nobody. And I think Tiger was such an unbelievable

611
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: golfer that he has spoiled us so much that I

612
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: think everybody still expects him to do what he did

613
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: in the.

614
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: Day, right, And I was kind of curious to see

615
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: TGL just because I mean literally, you asked me, does

616
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: golf need Tiger? I don't know, but I do know

617
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: that an entire professional league was created just basically to

618
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: allow Tiger Woods to hit golf shots on television?

619
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: Right, does golf need something like the TGL?

620
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know who's watching that. I

621
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: maybe I just it's to me. Do I care?

622
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, And I know some people over there,

623
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: so like I feel bad saying this, but like I

624
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 2: just have zero interest in watching. And I live in Michigan,

625
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: like I have to play in simulators, you know, But

626
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: I just don't know if it's.

627
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: If it's like a real thing. I don't know.

628
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not a big enough golf fan to be

629
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: perfectly honest with you. But what does it do for anybody?

630
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: Put your journalist's hat back on? Okay, next year, at

631
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: this time, on this day, What the hell do you

632
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: think this looks like? What do you think and what

633
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: would you want it to look like? But first of all,

634
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: what do you think happens? Do you think that we

635
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: spend another year of just this dangling of a carrot,

636
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: that maybe there's a daytant that maybe we can get

637
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: everybody together. Does maybe live if John Rahm goes to

638
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: more players follow, does this all just become one big

639
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: Morgas board of.

640
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it gets worse.

641
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: This is totally a guess, right, This is not based

642
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: on like, oh I've got some secret conversations, not that.

643
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: This is my absolute guess is that the framework fractures,

644
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: Live doubles down more money.

645
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: So if the framework goes away, you you see, y'alls

646
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: are going.

647
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: What are they gonna do?

648
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push back all.

649
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: Where they going to pack it up? Yeah, there's no true.

650
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: They're too deep. They're too deep, right, This is the

651
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: it And that's based on reporting when I was at

652
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: I went to the event at the Ral and I

653
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: left there confident that if this thing, if the framework

654
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: doesn't go through and it is just still two separate entities,

655
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: that what are they would they ever realistically pack it

656
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: up and just be like, well, I guess you know,

657
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: tip the cap PGA tour. That doesn't happen in this world.

658
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 2: They have too much money, So who's.

659
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: The commissioner next year.

660
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: That was gonna be the other part.

661
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, fractures the side split. I don't

662
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: think Jay would survive. Why that, you know, lack of

663
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 2: confidence amongst the players.

664
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: If you're a player on the PGA Tour, whether you're

665
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: a big player, do you think it's different if you're

666
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: a superstar versus non superstar? Your opinion of Jay Monahan

667
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: at this point, I mean, is Justin Thomas's opinion of

668
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: Jay Monahan. Is Roy McElroy's opinion of Jay Monahan different than.

669
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: I think those guys at least, I think those guys

670
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: at least feel like Ted Podd Jr. Those guys at

671
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: least feel like he has to take their call and

672
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: answer to them to a degree, right, Like they still

673
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: have weight. Those other guys you have, they just they're

674
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: along for the ride. They don't have weight. And guess what,

675
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: the the notion that they should to me is crazy, okay,

676
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: because go cover professional sports and go ask the tenth, twelfth,

677
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: fourteenth guy in the NBA locker room. You know, if

678
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: the owner really cares about their opinion, and that's that's

679
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 2: just just the way professional sports.

680
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: There's about Lebron's opinion exactly.

681
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: So I think to your question, yeah, like Jay knows

682
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: that he has to you know, play Kate. Answer to

683
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: those guys that you're talking, those those small, those few

684
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: which could get fewer big time voices, and those guys,

685
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: I think that they the more the worse this gets,

686
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: the more power they have, the more power they have,

687
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: the more options they have to be able to pick their.

688
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: Own new leader.

689
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: They're going to have an extra seat on the board.

690
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: They now rank the independence. So why couldn't this be

691
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: a player led not revolt, that's not the right word,

692
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: but a player led.

693
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 3: Coops say, you're out. Do you have a.

694
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: Problem with the players being more involved with how professional

695
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: golf is run? Because some people do. Some people say

696
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: this is basically the mark of the end because the

697
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: players will now just basically say listen, it's all all

698
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: about us. Will take all the money. And we've heard

699
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: that in you hear that sometimes in the NFL. You

700
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: hear that sometimes. And it's a players league, right. But

701
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: the owners, I mean, I work at a club, my club,

702
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: I've had them on the podcast. Jim Craney owns Houston Astros.

703
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there's what the players want, And then I

704
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time around Jim and I listened

705
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: to what he wants as an owner, as someone that

706
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: wants to return on his investment, right as the one

707
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: that put up the money to buy the team. I

708
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: think there's a really great story that during the pandemic,

709
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: one of the players, Jim was playing with one of

710
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: the players, and it was when the players were in

711
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: baseball were saying, you know, we we should still get

712
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: part of our salary and stuff like this, and I

713
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: think one of the players, it was a big player

714
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: for the Astros, said to Jim they were playing golf

715
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: during the pandemic in Houston, I mean in Florida, and

716
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: he said, you know what, you bought the team for?

717
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: How much? And how much is it worth? Now? You know?

718
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: Jim turned around and said to him, go buy your

719
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: own team. Then, yeah, go get six hundred million dollars,

720
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: go raise it, Go buy your own franchise. Then you

721
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: make all the decisions you want. But until you can

722
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: go pony up and get six hundred million to go

723
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: buy a franchise, you're making forty mm hmm.

724
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I would count the question with this, like,

725
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: once there's outside investment my end, you are seeding control? Yes, right,

726
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: so it there. The money that these players want to

727
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: make has to come from somewhere. So if they want

728
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: to play for all these all these millions of dollars

729
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: and get all these endorsements and all this stuff, well

730
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: that has to come from somewhere. And to get it

731
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: from somewhere, you have to seed a degree of control.

732
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: Like they're say, the framework actually went through, okay, and

733
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: this for profit business is me Are they under the

734
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: impression that they still just get to call their own

735
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: shots or all this stuff? Do we just think that

736
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 2: the public Investment fund is just going to be like,

737
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: here's three billion have fun. Yeah, you know, like no.

738
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: I thought that was good. I mean I had players,

739
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, I had players from the PGA tour. I

740
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: had people involved in, you know, broadcasting the PJ tour.

741
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: When the framework happened, they all said it was fun

742
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: while it lasted. But you guys are toast. Now Jay's

743
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: going to get rid of Live And I'm thinking I've

744
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: gotten to know Yelsa pretty well over the last four

745
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: or five years, both professionally and spent some time with

746
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: him privately. I'm thinking I don't think someone's going to

747
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: give you three to ten billion dollars and say have

748
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: at it and whatever you want to do. I'm good

749
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, I just don't see that happening.

750
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was very much. I mean, the tour

751
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: was pushing that hard when that agreement was was finalized,

752
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: you know, finalized in air quotes, because obviously we know

753
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: it wasn't finalized. But you know, the day those two

754
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: are on CNBC, Man, the back channels were already cooking

755
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: with the narrative.

756
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: When that when they're in control when that day happened.

757
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: Did you think you were getting punked? Did you think

758
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: it was real? I got a text I was driving

759
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: I've just left the gym. I was driving up to work,

760
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: and someone sent that to me. I'm like and I'm like,

761
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: that's not real. And then five seconds later my phone

762
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: just went yeah, and I was just like.

763
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: What, yep, were you surprised?

764
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: I was in I was in Philadelphia visiting my father

765
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: and had a flight out at like seven pm that day,

766
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: and it was what nine o'clock in the morning.

767
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 3: Or something, and.

768
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 2: I was so caught off guard and so just kind

769
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: of like reactionary. I said, not only do I need

770
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: and not only do I have to leave Dad, sorry,

771
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: but like I gotta go home. I need to be

772
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: at my desk cause this day is gone to hell.

773
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: And I looked it up and there was a flight

774
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: leaving in like fifty minutes, and I just hauled as

775
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: to the airport and just got on a plane and

776
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: went back to Detroit and was at my desk and

777
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: on the phone for the next you know, as you know,

778
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: fifteen hours or whatever. And yeah, I mean it was.

779
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: It was so preposterous to see the two of them

780
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: sitting next to each other acting like this was a

781
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: normal situation to be Like.

782
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: Well, I think that situation, I mean, I know both

783
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: of them. I think the situation was way more normal

784
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: for Yaser than it was for j Yosters used to

785
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: doing shit like that all the time.

786
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: Sure, but they had been and they had been talking

787
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: for weeks, and a Jay I think had come to

788
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: the point of being accepting.

789
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: Because Yoster had always wanted totally to get involved in

790
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: the PGA tour. You know, I went to the Saudi

791
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: International when it launched on the European tour in twenty eighteen.

792
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: I have an academy in Dubai and we teach the

793
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: Saudi national team, so I knew all the guys there.

794
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: They invited me over. Keith Pelly was there from the

795
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: European Tour. He was announcing how great it was going

796
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: to be for the European Tour, and I saw Jay

797
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: I think at the at the Players Championship a couple

798
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: of hours, like, dude, talk to him. They want to

799
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: be involved, they want to invest in professional golf, and

800
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, that didn't happen. Lastly, lastly, can.

801
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: I ask you if you think the Framework Agreement's going

802
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: to get done.

803
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: Now? I don't think it gets done because I just

804
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: think that there are too many people that see the

805
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: Saudi's involvement as something sinister, as ulterior motives. And having

806
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: spent a good chunk of my adult life living in

807
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: the Middle East, you know, I lived in Dubai for

808
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: three years, and you know, when you look in my opinion,

809
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: taking away all of the geopolitical elements of it, right

810
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: just from a shear what I think they're trying to do.

811
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: I think they look at their population, which the majority

812
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: of it is under the age of forty to fifty,

813
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: and they look at Dubai and most people only know

814
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: about Dubai because of golf. A lot of people know

815
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: about Dubai because of golf. Now, in the last five years,

816
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: maybe Dubai's become but there was a big period of

817
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: time to where people like Tiger Woods and Freddie Couples

818
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: and Greg Norman and the American golfers that went over

819
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: there kind of put Dubai on the map. And I

820
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: think what the Saudis are doing, And you know, Randal

821
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: continues to call this sports washing, but I think what

822
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out is how can we use

823
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: sports as a vehicle to bring tourism in to do

824
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: other things. I'm not a politician, right, so and the

825
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: barstool guys and the no laying up guys love to

826
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: use at all. Anybody that said they're not a politician's

827
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: gone to live. I'm like, well, are you guys politicians?

828
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: Are you guys in politics? You guys are doing podcasts

829
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: right And I just I've been to Saudi every year

830
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: multiple times for the last five years, and everybody that

831
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: I've met involved and from the golf standpoint, loves golf.

832
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: They want golf to be a part of what they're doing,

833
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: but I don't think the framework gets done because I

834
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: just think there is a core group of people that

835
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: just fundamentally, like you said, they don't want to see

836
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: the power and they see that if they do a

837
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: deal with the PIF, with Yaser and the Saudi, is

838
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: it some it's a power struggle and they're losing. I

839
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's been good for golf because

840
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: I think it's made everybody involved in professional golf somewhat

841
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: wake up, because I think the system's been broken for

842
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: a long time. The tour knows the system's broken, the

843
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: agents know the system's broken, and the players know it's broken.

844
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: But the agents all say to the players, listen, if

845
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: you guys want to change this one hundred and fifty

846
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy high aver any people on the PGA Tour,

847
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: you guys can vote. But nothing ever significant has ever

848
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: really come out of the pack, right. There hasn't been

849
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: anything that has been, you know, breaking, breaking news, and

850
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: so I just think that maybe they gotten complacent and

851
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: the players felt like they looked at other sports. I mean,

852
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: I remember when DJ we were at Memphis and Steph

853
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: Curry signed his new deal and DJ it was he won,

854
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: so he just had, you know, amazing year that you won,

855
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen sixteen million dollars And we're sitting at

856
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: dinner and he's like, well, at least I made more

857
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: money than the commissioner of the tour this year last year.

858
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: And he's like, that doesn't happen in other sports, right,

859
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean, Roger Goodell gets paid on a par with

860
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: what Patrick Mahomes gets paid. He doesn't get paid exponentially

861
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: more than the superstars. But in golf, for a long time,

862
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: I think there has been a little bit of difference.

863
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: But I just think that I think competition is good,

864
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: and I think that if the PGA Tour, pivots and

865
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: their product changes and gets better, and I think the

866
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: majors now hold all the cards, right, yeah, the majors. Oh,

867
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to be a die hard, die

868
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: hard tennis fan to know, namely five other tournaments Roger

869
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: fetters one other than Wimbledon, the French, the US and

870
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: the Aussie Open. You've got to be I mean, tennis

871
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: has to be part of your DNA. And I think

872
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: that the majors now will only become bigger.

873
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the things that just will never go away.

874
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: As the primary issue is that, like, if you were

875
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: designing professional golf, now no one I related to the

876
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: NC double A. If you were creating college sports, nobody

877
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: would have ever created the model today that they created,

878
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: that was created, and that it what it kind of

879
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: formed into and just or devolved into or whatever you

880
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: want to say, Like it just became this preposterous version

881
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: of what it started out as. That's professional golf. It's

882
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: the same. And you can't you can't undo the paste

883
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: done right, Like you know, like the in college football,

884
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: they kicked the can down the road on a playoff

885
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: for all these years because they were beholden to these

886
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: ridiculous bowls, keeping these bowls happy and all the ye

887
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: we answered to the Rose Bull. It's like, why do

888
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 2: you answer to the Rose Bowl? You know, who gives

889
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 2: a shit? And and these in the in the tour,

890
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: you know, we have to worry about this a tournament

891
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: that sponsor and this and that, and you're like, you

892
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: just can't. There's so many miles to feed and really

893
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: that all that matters at the end of the day

894
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: is guys competing against each other. But everything around it

895
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: is just nothing.

896
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: Makes sense.

897
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: Brendan, thanks for talking us fascinating, fascinating times. Next year

898
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna get you back on and see if we

899
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: were right. Ah, thanks for talking to us. Thank you

900
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: so much. Quote. So that was some really good stuff

901
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: from Brendan. And listen. I mean we did this, uh,

902
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: not knowing if John Rahm had officially signed with Live,

903
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: but now that he has. Listen, depending on what side

904
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: you're you're on, and you don't have to take a

905
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: side I keep. I've been saying that a lot. It's

906
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: just golf. You can watch golf wherever you want to

907
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: go watch golf, but now that genre has gone to Live,

908
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: I think it's a big deal. I think John Ram

909
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: is arguably at any given time, the best player in

910
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: the world. And I think when the best player in

911
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: the you know, one of the best player I think,

912
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: you know, you can make an argument when these guys

913
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: are playing good. But Jon Ram is one of those

914
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: players that when he is on and when he is

915
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: playing at his best one four times last year including

916
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: the Masters, there is an argument that you can make.

917
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: And Jen Ram passes the eye test, uh for the

918
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: best player in the world. So for Live to get

919
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: someone who is arguably the best player in the world

920
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: right now. He can go toe to toe with Rory,

921
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: he can go toe to toe with Scotti Scheffler, he

922
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: can go toe to toe with anybody on any tour

923
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. And for all the things and

924
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: for all the negative things that a lot of people

925
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 1: say about Live, they just got John Rahm. And whether

926
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: you like that, whether you don't like that, whether you

927
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: think that's big, or whether you don't think that's big,

928
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: one of, if not the best player in the world

929
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: just chose to leave the PGA Tour. And I think

930
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: that's significant. Now where this goes, how this plays out

931
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: moving forward, I don't think anybody knows, but I do

932
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: think that it is significant, and that is why I

933
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: wanted to get brendan On to not only talk about

934
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: that the rumors of that which turned out to be true,

935
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: but also to talk about, Yeah, it's been crazy the

936
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: last two years. I hope in twenty twenty four we

937
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: all can just get back to talking about golf, golf

938
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: on the golf course. I don't think that's gonna happen,

939
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: because I still think there's a lot of moving parts,

940
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: but it's going to be an interesting twenty twenty four,

941
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of surprises in twenty twenty

942
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: three that a lot of people didn't see coming, and

943
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be more in twenty twenty four.

944
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a couple of weeks off for the holidays,

945
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: heading out to Dubai to my academy, spend some time

946
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: out there, and spend Christmas out there, but wishing all

947
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: of you happy holidays, and we will see you all

948
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: in the new year. Son of It, which comes to

949
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday listen. I can't thank everybody over the

950
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: last two years that listens to the pod on a

951
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: regular basis. It really does mean a lot to me.

952
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of cool stuff planned for twenty

953
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: twenty four, a lot of cool guests that are going

954
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: to be coming on, and we're going to keep doing

955
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: what we do here at Son of a Bunch