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Speaker 2: And them and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbal

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Speaker 2: fine gentleman over there, the one, the only, the incomparable,

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Speaker 1: Howard, Hey, I'm good. This is a fun week for me.

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Speaker 1: This is a lot of cooking and baking and college

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Speaker 2: So a big weekend of college football, very consequential weekend

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Speaker 1: So what happens if if Michigan beats Ohio State. Michigan's

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Speaker 1: Well, now, if Alabama knocks off Georgia, that's the that's

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Speaker 1: Man, we could have a situation in which we have

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Speaker 1: Switched. He switched this year, right, he switched from Trace

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Speaker 1: I can't even count how many Citrus Bowls Penn State

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Speaker 1: However you can get your money. It's fine. You're worth

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Speaker 2: No, so sure, and I saw I heard on the

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Speaker 2: we could talk about the Penn State stuff later. I

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Speaker 1: But Okay, I'm always a little skeptical, and I don't

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Speaker 2: the problem. They still get a good wide receiver talent.

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Speaker 2: They've got a great recruiting class coming in.

433
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Speaker 1: All Right, it's always the next guy at Penn State,

434
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Speaker 1: the next QB.

435
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Speaker 2: That's always the next guy everywhere, the Jewel Air, come on,

436
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: it's the next guy everywhere college football, not just Penn State.

437
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: James Franklin sticking around. Yeah, that's all Mike Gundy's saying.

438
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Speaker 2: He doesn't know if bedlam's going to continue. He doesn't

439
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: think bedlam will continue after Oklahoma leaves for the SEC.

440
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Speaker 2: This is kind of continuing in the long line of

441
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: traditional backbiting over the loss of a rivalry. Right, So

442
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Speaker 2: the other one that comes to mind is the Texas

443
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Speaker 2: Texas A and M thing and M leaves for the SEC.

444
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of back and forth as to who's

445
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Speaker 2: far it is that the rivalry is no more. We

446
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 2: saw something similar in recent years, I think with Penn

447
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: State and pit. Right, they were each kind of blaming

448
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: that each other for a whose fault is it?

449
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: So we had backyard brawl, we had border war. We've

450
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Speaker 1: had a bunch of these instances.

451
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Unfortunately, the rivalry is one of the things being

452
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Speaker 2: left to the side. Kick to the curb, if you will. Yeah,

453
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: in light of this new age of conference realignment and

454
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 2: big money moves from programs to go from one conference

455
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Speaker 2: to another. It would be a shame if Bedlam were

456
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Speaker 2: not a thing, of course, that would be that would

457
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Speaker 2: be an absolute shame. And I hope that they would

458
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Speaker 2: find a way to continue it. But I guess Gundhi

459
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Speaker 2: would know better than most where things stand on that front.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there's just naturally in these situations,

461
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Speaker 1: which is there's just going to be sour grapes. This

462
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Speaker 1: is not the last of it. And Oklahoma State is

463
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Speaker 1: they feel left out that Texas and Oklahoma, which were

464
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Speaker 1: the branding bell the Big twelve, now leaving for the

465
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Speaker 1: SEC because honestly, schools like Texas and Oklahoma they're so

466
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Speaker 1: poor they just they need those dollars. Man, they don't

467
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Speaker 1: have that cash they really need. And so now we

468
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: get like Oklahoma, South Carolina, we get Texas Vanderbilt hooray

469
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Speaker 1: instead of Bedlam. Instead of Texas, Texas, A and M,

470
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Speaker 1: which I guess now I guess could come back. We'll

471
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Speaker 1: see what happens. If you know, the SEC breaks into pods.

472
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Speaker 1: It's just a bummer. It's just a bummer. As somebody

473
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Speaker 1: who squarely looks at weeks one through fourteen as college

474
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Speaker 1: football and not the you know, the conference realignment and

475
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Speaker 1: element of it, the recruiting element of I know it's important,

476
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: but like this is this is what I love about

477
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Speaker 1: the sport and just seeing it go into you know,

478
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Speaker 1: administrative places for cash, it's just a bummer. I love

479
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Speaker 1: the Bedlam game. I made a North Korean video about

480
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Speaker 1: it in twenty twelve or something like that. It's my favorite. Sorry,

481
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Speaker 1: we'll have to make sure we saddens me.

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Speaker 2: We got to post that again so that people can

483
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Speaker 2: get Oh that's true, that's this week, right, Yeah, it's

484
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Speaker 2: this week. Yeah, all right, So we'll find out. But

485
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Speaker 2: the future of Bedlam looks like obviously we've got a

486
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Speaker 2: big Bedlam game, yeah, being played on Saturday night, which

487
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Speaker 2: will have huge ramification, huge implications, I should say, sure

488
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Speaker 2: on where things go in the Big twelve and the

489
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Speaker 2: playoff we talked about earlier elsewhere in the Florida State

490
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Speaker 2: Florida game. Emery Jones is out saw that it's an

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Speaker 2: Anthony richardson time. Can you very quickly detail for our

492
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Speaker 2: listening audience or captive listening audience who will be playing

493
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Speaker 2: for Florida or who won't be playing for Florida this

494
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Speaker 2: coming week.

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Speaker 1: Well, Florida does not have a head coach, does not

496
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Speaker 1: have an offensive coordinator because Dan Mullen was both. They

497
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Speaker 1: don't have a defensive coordinator, the offensive line coach is gone,

498
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Speaker 1: the starting quarterback is gone. So I don't know. Florida

499
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: State has it made presumably, although that the top of

500
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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's ceiling is interesting. But I still believe the

501
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Speaker 1: Gators are the you know, the one two three can

502
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Speaker 1: coon team of the week. So man, it's just a bummer.

503
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Speaker 1: It's just a bummer to be on that team. Like

504
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Speaker 1: you think about like the actual human element of the

505
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Speaker 1: time element if you're a Florida player, right, you put

506
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Speaker 1: in all that work in the off season, the brutal summers,

507
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: all the studying, fall camp, you start the season off

508
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Speaker 1: and encouraging way. You're blowing teams out. Anthony Richardson comes

509
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Speaker 1: in and he looks like he's the electric future. And

510
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: then it just all falls off, It all dissipates, it

511
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: all collapses, And it's not that it's all for not

512
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Speaker 1: right because you're playing for your teammates, you're playing for

513
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Speaker 1: your school and no matter what happens, that's the truth.

514
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Speaker 1: But it's hard to watch. It's hard when a team

515
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Speaker 1: like Florida starts the way that they did, and then

516
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: the South Carolina game of the Miszoo game, It's just

517
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Speaker 1: it's not fun. I like good football and that's not

518
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Speaker 1: what we're getting out of Gainesville.

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Speaker 2: Florida has lost four of their last five. YEP thus far,

520
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 2: could have lost that Sanford game that was the only win. Yeah,

521
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: kind of wove it in there, and now they've got

522
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Speaker 2: the Florida State game this week. I believe they're still

523
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Speaker 2: a favorite, which is confounding to me and some of

524
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: our folks may want to look at. We will talk

525
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Speaker 2: about that on the Solid Saturday stream two and a

526
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Speaker 2: half the last time I saw it. The only other

527
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Speaker 2: note that I have here good news for Minnesota. Mo

528
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Speaker 2: Ibraheim going to come back.

529
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah.

530
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Speaker 2: Mo Ibraheim was supposed to be kind of the featured

531
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Speaker 2: bell cow if you will. For Minnesota Golden Gophers in

532
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Speaker 2: their ground attack. They have found a way to run

533
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Speaker 2: without him, which has been a credit to the depth

534
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Speaker 2: that PJ. Fleck has been building up there. They've been

535
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Speaker 2: pretty successful on the ground that is the primary way

536
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Speaker 2: they move the football. But mo Ibraheim coming back for

537
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two seasons. A good story. Guy that

538
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Speaker 2: we like, guy that we rooted for. Sucks that he

539
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Speaker 2: got hurt, but get another crack at this, which is cool.

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Speaker 1: You want to answer some questions, I.

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Speaker 2: Am ready for some questions, Dan, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: thought we would give our fine for ballers a little

549
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Speaker 2: gift here we would answer some of the questions. These

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Speaker 2: are questions though that did come from the verballer community again.

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Speaker 2: you want to start?

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Speaker 1: Canadian LSU fan? What does the future hold forrad Orzeran

563
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: and Dan Mullen. I don't expect them to get ahead

564
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Speaker 1: to get head coaching jobs, but could they land a

565
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Speaker 1: coordinator at a big school land as of coordinator at

566
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Speaker 1: a big school? We know Nick Saban loves reclamation projects. Wow,

567
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Speaker 1: So Dan Mullen I think, well, first of all, I

568
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Speaker 1: think they're going to take their time right, They're going

569
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Speaker 1: to try to get jobs, but they got that nice

570
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: buyout situation happening in their lives financially, and so look,

571
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Speaker 1: Dan Mullen's going. Dan Mullen loves looking at jobs. He

572
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: always loves figuring out what his next job is. Has

573
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Speaker 1: you know, flirted with a number of jobs when he

574
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Speaker 1: was at Mississippi State and finally the Florida one in

575
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Speaker 1: the Florida opening made a lot of sense. Ed Orzron

576
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Speaker 1: took that year off if you remember, and just sort

577
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: of laid low after not getting the USC job, and

578
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: then he took the LSU job, I think as what

579
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Speaker 1: an assistant head coach and defensive line coach. So I

580
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Speaker 1: think both of these guys are going to be in demand.

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Speaker 1: I don't know at this point if they are going

582
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Speaker 1: to be seen as well. Ed Ogron is not a coordinator.

583
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Speaker 1: He's not a coordinator, Dan Mullen. I think at this

584
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Speaker 1: point he'll just be choosy about a job that he

585
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: wants as a head coach, right that like maybe a

586
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Speaker 1: middle tier, lower tier Power five gig when it opens

587
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: up without the exact pressure of Florida, whether it's in

588
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: the SEC ACC whatever. I think he's just gonna wait.

589
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna wait for a head job. And

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, at Orizron, maybe he goes to

591
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Speaker 1: the NFL and is like a D line coach for somebody.

592
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: He's he's too valuable as a recruiter. I think to

593
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Speaker 1: just sit around it's you know, he has the connection

594
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Speaker 1: to Lanekiff and but I don't think ed Orizron's going

595
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Speaker 1: back to Ole miss. So he'll he'll find a connection

596
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Speaker 1: and he'll find a job somewhere. But I think it's

597
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Speaker 1: going to be in that similar role that has that

598
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Speaker 1: has been the situation with him going back to like

599
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Speaker 1: assistant head coach, dogged recruiter, defensive line coach. Be it

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Speaker 1: at a high level, you know, like would Alabama hire

601
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Speaker 1: him as Sharston head coach? Oh? Yeah, absolutely they would, Yeah,

602
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Speaker 1: absolutely they would given his recruiting in roads within the conference.

603
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Speaker 1: And you know, maybe one of them is a going

604
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Speaker 1: to coast as an analyst somewhere. Probably not. I don't

605
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Speaker 1: know why you would. I don't think they either one

606
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Speaker 1: of them was let go in some sort of dramatic

607
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Speaker 1: way where they need to rebuild their image. Dan Mullen

608
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: remained a good X as an O's coach, remained a

609
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Speaker 1: good quarterback developer. It's not like he fell off the

610
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Speaker 1: map on the field. It's just the culture of Florida

611
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Speaker 1: and the recruiting of Florida is not where the Gators

612
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Speaker 1: and the administration wanted it to be. And so no,

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Speaker 1: I think both of these guys are going to be fine,

614
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Speaker 1: and they're just going to be choosy. They're just not

615
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Speaker 1: going to get a huge job.

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Speaker 2: Again, I don't think Yeah, I mean, to your point,

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Speaker 2: Orgeron's not a coordinator. Orgeron's a recruiter and he's like

618
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Speaker 2: a line coach, and so could he catch on somewhere

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Speaker 2: in that capacity? Yeah, could you hire him at Texas?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Sure, I mean a lot of what his relationship

621
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Speaker 1: is like with Sark, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: A lot of schools in the Southeastern Conference would be

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Speaker 2: or as soon to be Southeastern Conference in the case

624
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Speaker 2: of Texas, would love to get Oorgron's So, yeah, he

625
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: can catch on somewhere. I don't know if he'll be

626
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Speaker 2: in any great rush to do so. On the Mullens side,

627
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Speaker 2: I think Mullen is probably better suited to be a coordinator.

628
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he is that self aware. My

629
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Speaker 2: guess is no, he probably wants to catch on as

630
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Speaker 2: a head coach somewhere, and he will have another opportunity

631
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Speaker 2: to do so. Certainly, if he wants to be a coordinator,

632
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Speaker 2: there would be a lot of suitors because.

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Speaker 1: He Dan Mullen pretty good on those coaches roundtable type shows.

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Speaker 1: He's good, he's great talk stuff. He's a great talk

635
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Speaker 1: to see him going media for a little while.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if, maybe, if Stoops takes Florida, which I don't

637
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Speaker 2: think is going to happen, but maybe if Bob Stoops

638
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Speaker 2: decides to leave, he can just slide right in next

639
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Speaker 2: to Reggie and Brady and Matt Liiner. Yeah, but he'll

640
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: have opportunities. They'll both have opportunities before long.

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Speaker 1: Do we think Cincinnati would be ranked as high as

642
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Speaker 1: they are by the committee? This is sally if they

643
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Speaker 1: had an above or if they had an average season

644
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Speaker 1: last year, also known as how much credit are is

645
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Speaker 1: the Committee giving them this year because they were so

646
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: good last year?

647
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: No, I think absolutely. That's an important point.

648
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: Oh, it'd be foolish to think otherwise of any team.

649
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Everybody it gets the benefit of the doubt because of

650
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: our unconscious perceptions and biases of recent history, for sure.

651
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: And the committee may say otherwise, but I think we

652
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: know better. You can make the case for almost any team.

653
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: Made the case for Clepson, right, You make the case

654
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: for any of these blue bloods that have been at

655
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: the top of the polls now for the last five years,

656
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: that you just give them the benefit of the doubt.

657
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: And even when we talk to Bill Connolly, our friend

658
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: does the sp plus about as analytical and black and

659
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: white as you can get. Even his formula takes into

660
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: account how a team has done over the last four

661
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: or five years, because it actually is a pretty good

662
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: indicator for the strength of a team, just given the

663
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: normal rhymes and rhythms of college football, the cycles with

664
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: recruiting and whatnot. It's like a good way to actually

665
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: measure how strong a program is. And so no, the

666
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: answer is no, they would not be ranked as highly

667
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 2: if they did not perform at the level that they

668
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 2: did last year in the year before.

669
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I think the uh it goes into

670
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: the calculus because these are the same players, right, This

671
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: is des Ritter, this is what's his name? Sanders, my

672
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: J Sanders on the outside along the edge, and Sauce Gardener,

673
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: all these guys, they come in with reputations. You know,

674
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: so much of college football and ranking, whether it's conscious

675
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: or unconscious, is familiarity. And you're right, Cincinnati performed admirably

676
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: against Georgia in the bowl game and came into the

677
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: season with expectations that they have thus far, I think

678
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: largely met. And so that has to be part of it.

679
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: That Cincinnati is playing up to the attention that they're

680
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: receiving in large part.

681
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: So now, now the important caveat here, and I'm sure

682
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: there are some Notre Dame haters out there screaming at

683
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: their car stereos, saying, well, what about Notre Dame? Why

684
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: does Notre Dame get the better fit of the doubt.

685
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's played in the playoff what twice? Now got

686
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: drilled both times. Sure, Notre Dame gets the benefit of

687
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: the doubt because they're interesting and because they bring along

688
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: a national audience. They are a very good team, and

689
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 2: Notre Dame is getting to the point where they are

690
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: pushing up, pushing up on that top tier. They are

691
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: not there yet, but from a talent standpoint, they are

692
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: getting there. Notre Dame benefits from a bunch of things

693
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 2: that Cincinnati doesn't, and so Cincinnati for them, they've needed

694
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: to build this thing brick by brick. I don't know

695
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: if you've got the sound, but always, always, always, they've

696
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: needed to build this thing brick by brick slowly over

697
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: the course of time, and Luke Fickle's done a really

698
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: good job.

699
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, we look at Notre Dame and the

700
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: last two games they played in twenty twenty, blown out

701
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: off the field. Right here they are again, I'm a

702
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame fan.

703
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: They're number six they.

704
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: Could get, so that goes into it that it goes

705
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: into it like, well, at least with Notre Dame. You

706
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: gotta show me, you gotta show me the way Notre

707
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: Dame started the season, and the Wisconsin win looks better

708
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: the Wisconsin you know, it was a different team earlier

709
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: on in the air. But you can say the about everybody.

710
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: This is just guessing. I think the big picture is

711
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: the committee ranks teams the way they want to rank teams,

712
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: Thank you. I think that's an important thing to remember,

713
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: all right now, So they want to put Notre Dame there, Okay,

714
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: in the age of conference realignments and made for TV

715
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: matchups allah the college Football playoff? What makes a good

716
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: college football rivalry? Geographic proximity, memorably close games, status within

717
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: the national conversation, or simply decades of shared history side note,

718
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: feel as if you could also expand this into a

719
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: series of off season podcasts or a doctoral A doctoral doctoral.

720
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: I like it.

721
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: So my answer first is yes, but Tie, what are

722
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: the things that you look for in a particularly engaging

723
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: interest in college football rivalry?

724
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: I look for a cool trophy always. We talked about

725
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: the old oaken bucket, the twelve inch, six pound barrel

726
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: that is given to an otherwise innocuous matchup between Indiana

727
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: and Purdue. Need the cool trophy, all right, preferably a

728
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: trophy with some story behind it, like the Territorial Cup,

729
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: which I expanded upon on the previous show as well.

730
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: I love having decades of shared history always. I think

731
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: you need to have that shared history that's important to

732
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: me in terms of the rivalry. And then the third

733
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: component would obviously be a game where you've got something

734
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: on the line, right, It's got to be a meaningful matchup.

735
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about it. I'm not talking about

736
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: in terms of playoffs. I'm not talking about in terms

737
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: of Bowl implications or anything like that, but such a

738
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: history that is intertwined in a way that losing hurts

739
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: right up the road. Here for me is Lehigh Lafayette

740
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: maybe the longest running rivalry in college sports.

741
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: It's bad blood. Taylor Swift's bad blood.

742
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: There's bad blood there, right. Both Lehigh and Lafayette have

743
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: had horrible seasons. Your two win, three win teams, but

744
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: if you lose to your opponent, that hurts. That's bulletin

745
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 2: board material for the next year running. So the shared

746
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: history that intertwines to the point that losing the game matters.

747
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: Losing the game, winning the game is something you can

748
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: recruit on. That meaningful matchup is what I am going for,

749
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: whether it's the trophy, whether it's the history. However you

750
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: get to the point of bad blood. I think bad

751
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: blood is what I'm trying to say here. I need

752
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: that bad blood in order to feel good about that

753
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: rivalry from the outside.

754
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: So I like geographic proximity because there is that part

755
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: of a rivalry where you are either an ex family

756
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: or a Y family. Right. If you're in the Iron

757
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: Bowl house divided an Alabama, right, you're an Alabama family,

758
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: You're an Auburn family. You're an Oregon family or an

759
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: Oregon State family, or Washington because I think there's still

760
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: crossover there. You're a usc family or UCLA family, a

761
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: Lehigh family, Lafayette family, probably to a lesser extent. So

762
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: that's something that's interesting to me. Texas and Texas A

763
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: and M. I like the idea of their being identity

764
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: associated right there. If you're an A and M person,

765
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: there is a stereotype of you compared to a UT person,

766
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: both in positive and negative ways. Right. I like that

767
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: part of a rivalry. We're like, hmm, interesting, they're an

768
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: A and M family. H Okay, they're a Texas family.

769
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: M Okay. I like that. I like when the two

770
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: teams take football as seriously right in terms of we

771
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: are spending money, we care, we are extending our pretty

772
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: good coach or even extending our average coach because we

773
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: care tremendously and we're hopeful and he recruits and whatever.

774
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: You get that with Alabama Auburn. Both Alabama and Auburn

775
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: say we are serious football programs. You don't always like

776
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: when you look at Oregon Washington. Washington was under Chris Peterson,

777
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: but they were sort of unserious with Jimmy Lake, sort

778
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: of unserious in the two thousands or whatever. Same with

779
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: Oregon State. They were unseerious in the way that they

780
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: spent money, in the way that Oregon spent money. Not

781
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: necessarily their fault, but it's not as fun in a

782
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: rivalry game if one side of it is saying we

783
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: are all in. We want to win nine, ten to

784
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: eleven games a year. We're spending money to do it.

785
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: We're upgrading our facilities, we're upgrading our stadium, and the

786
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: other schools like, yeah, football's fine. Football's cool, and so

787
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: that's something to me, and I like that with cal Stanford,

788
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: they're both sort of on the same page in terms of,

789
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: like how seriously they take football where it's it's cool

790
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: and it's fun. But they're not breaking the bank to

791
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: pay a coach ten million dollars nine million dollars in

792
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: the case with Stanford perhaps, but they're not doing things

793
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: in quite the ruthless way that other major programs are

794
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: doing it. So I like that, right, Clemson South Carolina

795
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: is fun, but South Carolina is not a serious program,

796
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: and the way that Clemson is I apologize to our

797
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: South Carolina listeners, but it could not have been a

798
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: fun last few years as a Gamecock fan in this rivalry,

799
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: in the battle for the Palmetto State. So that's something

800
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: I look for. And I like the bad blood and

801
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: I like bad blood in.

802
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: Newer situations between bad blood in general just in general

803
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: when it comes to sports. If there's going to be

804
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: a chippy matchup, tell me what chance sure I'm in, Like.

805
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: Like we have like we've had in the revivalry right

806
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: between Gary Patterson and ar Briyle's way back when like

807
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: we've had you know, LSU and Texas A and M

808
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: where you have new bad blood when you go back

809
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: to USC and Stanford the what's your deal between Jim

810
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: Harbaugh and Pete Carroll. I like new bad Blood all

811
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: the same, and so there's a lot that goes into it.

812
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: But I like the like house divided and you know,

813
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: example would be so Jody with and I went to Michigan. Okay,

814
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: her cousin, John, who's amazing, grew up a Michigan fan.

815
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: I for whatever reason, I don't know if he didn't

816
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: get in, but he went to Michigan State and now

817
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: he's a Michigan State guy. And Jody care so much

818
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: more about the Michigan Michigan State game. And she cares

819
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: about Ohio State because she has family members. Her sister

820
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: in law went to Michigan State. Her cousin and his

821
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: wife met at Michigan State. So now there's this like

822
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: underlying tension. And somebody posts a picture on Instagram of

823
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: a kid wearing Michigan State stuff and Joy says audibly

824
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: and dolby five point zero surround. I love that. I

825
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: love the like, well your only went there because yeah, I.

826
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: Love I love and I've seen this you know, I mean,

827
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: you've traveled more than I have two games. But I

828
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: love when you go to you know, I mean I

829
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: was at a Georgia game. Maybe that's a good example.

830
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: Maybe not, but that's a good example of Georgia Georgia

831
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: Tech not on the same plane, not on the same plane.

832
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: But what I'm going for here is I like, when

833
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: you talk to somebody about Arrival, they very clearly are

834
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: not just tongue in chic about their disdain for the program, right,

835
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh really, oh really Michigan. Yeah,

836
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: they're cute. They're cute.

837
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could see there's a visceral reaction and

838
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: they're not faking it. They're not playful with it. They

839
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: genuinely don't like. Yeah, of course, what I'm going for.

840
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: Do you know what I like about Ohio State, Michigan,

841
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: Ohio State with like their fans, you know, they do

842
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: like the red X instead of typing an M on

843
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: like social media, and both Ryan Day and Urban Meyers

844
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: say oh that that that team up north instead of

845
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: saying Michigan. And they've dominated that rivalry and yet they

846
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: have the details, they have the approach to the rivalry

847
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: in much more detailed hateful ways than Michigan has, whereas

848
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: Ohio State could say, like, it's not much of a

849
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: rivalry anymore. Whatever. They're cute Michigan and their Citrus bowls

850
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: and their outback bowls or something like that. But they

851
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: maintain that phone.

852
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: They know their base.

853
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: They know their base.

854
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: You gotta know, you gotta know your base.

855
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: And yeah, I appreciate that. I do too.

856
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: Great question. Who asked that? Sally? You say Sally asked.

857
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: That, but no, Paul asked that question.

858
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Paul.

859
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: Great Paul asked that question.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we do one more? And then it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be Patreon exclusive time Patreon exclusive.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well there's another Dan Mullen question. We spent a

863
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Speaker 1: lot of time on Dan Mullen Vaughn. Which mascot should

864
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Speaker 1: have its own balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's Sparty.

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Speaker 1: I had that similar thought. I had a similar thought

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Speaker 1: because Sparty is that good mix of sort of powerful looking,

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Speaker 1: a strong whatever, but also cartoonish.

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Speaker 2: You need you need a powerful, comically uh like a

870
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Speaker 2: caricature style mascot that you can put on the on

871
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Speaker 2: the balloon so now I think it's sparty.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be sparty, now, I hear you. So

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Speaker 1: technically Virginia Tech and the hokey is a turkey or

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Speaker 1: a turkey ish character.

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Speaker 2: They already havesgiving I understand Macy's already has the turkey

876
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: thing squareed away. You don't need another turkey, like a

877
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Speaker 2: cool new spin on a turkey, especially one about head coach.

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Speaker 1: What about the tree though, because right, it's the holidays,

879
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Speaker 1: you got the big googly eyes, it's silly, and you

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Speaker 1: have cartoon characters the Stanford Tree. The problem with the

881
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: Stanford Tree is not recognizable in a mainstream way, right,

882
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: Like the Stanford alumni base is just they're not as numbered,

883
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: They're not as passionate about college football and mascots. That

884
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Speaker 1: that to me is a problem. But like if you

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Speaker 1: look at the most cartoonish mascots, I mean, Perdue Pete

886
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Speaker 1: would be fund Pete would be fun. Perdue Pete would

887
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Speaker 1: be fun in there. The Big ten really carries itself

888
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Speaker 1: in a strong way. Got across the SEC would be decent.

889
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: What what's the uh? It's it's Harry something. Harry Dog

890
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Speaker 1: is the Georgia one.

891
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that.

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Speaker 1: I like it. Fine Oskie at cal but again not

893
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Speaker 1: not the same recognized I think what about Buddy at

894
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Speaker 1: Nebraska very lends itself very well to a parade. I

895
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Speaker 1: think the Big ten mascot collective, by the way, I

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Speaker 1: hate the Penn State mascot whatever that like weird old

897
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Speaker 1: fashioned costume is hate it? Okay, cartoon it up a

898
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Speaker 1: little bit, come on, sure, I I don't disagree, you

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Speaker 1: know what, but I would also say Brutus. I think

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Speaker 1: Brutus would would acquit him or herself. I'm not sure

901
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Speaker 1: where we're gendering Brutus, but Bruce tends to be a

902
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Speaker 1: male name. Uh. I think Brutus would would do well

903
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: as a Thanksgiving.

904
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Speaker 2: The Big Oval Buckeye head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very start. It would be my final answer, very

906
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Speaker 1: streng There's that that cartoonish puffy Buddy with Nebraska, I

907
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Speaker 1: think is another good answer. I don't know if is

908
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Speaker 1: the Big twelve, you know, maybe the Frog a little bit.

909
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm always thrown off by mascots wearing football uniforms, though

910
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: that's not my full thing. I like, I mean Syracuse,

911
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: the Orange, pretty good local locals. New York, Yeah, Big Red.

912
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: You know they've got options out there. I'm gonna go

913
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Speaker 1: Sparti or Brutus would be my finalist.

914
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: I think Sparti and I'll go Buddy number two, but

915
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: definitely a big ten.

916
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: The duck. The duck is right there, the Disney recognizability

917
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: with Donald. Yeah, you have to throw the duck in

918
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: that conversation.

919
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: All right, final question, Dan, give me one more question.

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00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: One more question. Make it a good This has to

921
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: be a good one. Which coaches need to complete the

922
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: Drive for six the most this week?

923
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: Oo? What a question?

924
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: So you want a list of schools that are on

925
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Speaker 1: the road for the Drive for six? Mike nore Vala

926
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: will be a good answer. Give me the list, right,

927
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: give me the list. Okay, So you have ball State,

928
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Speaker 1: you have San Jose State. San Jose State had last year.

929
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Speaker 1: They're fine, South Alabama, Florida and Florida State. So I'd

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Speaker 1: put Mike Norvell in there. I would think actually, Greg

931
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: Ciano at Rutgers. It would be a nice story for

932
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Speaker 1: Rutgers to make a bowl with their assent. Charlotte Odu, Troy, Hawaii.

933
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Speaker 1: You get Todd Graham and his you know, head head

934
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Speaker 1: gear in a bowl game. Virginia text An interim situation

935
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: Phil Montgomery at Tulsa, which is actually a pretty impressive

936
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Speaker 1: back half of their schedule. Syracuse would be important to me.

937
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Speaker 1: Dino getting to a bowl after the depths to which

938
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Speaker 1: Syracuse fell post GRUNGI Eric Dungee, who, by the way,

939
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: Grungieric Dungee on cameo almost got you an Eric Dungee

940
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: cameo for your birthday?

941
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: What's he getting for a cameo?

942
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: It's not not especially expensive.

943
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good bucks.

944
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think Dino, Babers and Mike Norvell would

945
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Speaker 1: be my answer. I would I would center around the

946
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Speaker 1: acc possibly Greg Ciano as a proof of concept as

947
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Speaker 1: as Rutgers continues to play hard.

948
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Speaker 2: Well, he's still my answer with Mike Norvell, but okay,

949
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he he needs to.

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Speaker 1: It would just be very helpful for Florida State together.

951
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't, He doesn't need to, like need to

952
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: almost implies that if he doesn't, that coach is going

953
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: to get canned. That that is certainly not the situation

954
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Speaker 2: with Mike Norvell. You know, like I've waxed poetic about

955
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Speaker 2: the job he's done after a really bad start. But

956
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Speaker 2: for sure it would be very meaningful. It'd be very

957
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Speaker 2: meaningful for him to be able to go out in

958
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Speaker 2: the recruiting trail and tell the story about how they

959
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: put the thing back together, they got it back on

960
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 2: the tracks, you know. I mean, it's been a rocky

961
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: start for him, even dating back to last year. There

962
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Speaker 2: was some of the stuff in the off season. You

963
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Speaker 2: remember the fact that he has now rebuilt this thing

964
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Speaker 2: and has some momentum. I think is really just a

965
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: great story. So Norvelle's the answer for me. He doesn't

966
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Speaker 2: need to, but what he'd be able to do with

967
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Speaker 2: that I think would be really really significant to the

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Speaker 2: health of that program moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would also, Yeah, I mean I think Dino

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Speaker 1: needs it that you know, if you take talking needs

971
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Speaker 1: getting the final win. Who Syracuse has who this week?

972
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Speaker 1: Syracuse has Pitt. Oh that's tricky, but it's in the

973
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Speaker 1: carrier dome. I don't have the sound. But as we know,

974
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Speaker 1: where teams go to die. But Pitt has already clinched

975
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Speaker 1: the division. So all good, all good, All right, answer, Robert,

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Speaker 1: We have lots of by by the way, we have

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Speaker 1: lots of amazing questions that we're saving for the Patreon portion.

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Speaker 1: Of this one, the extended version, a lot of Thanksgiving questions,

979
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Speaker 1: a lot of coaching hypotheticals, carousel questions, gift guide questions.

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Speaker 1: Tie has some controversial takes. I's say that right now.

981
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Speaker 2: Robert asks what would a moneyball approach to a Power five?

982
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into that.

983
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Speaker 2: Look like what schools are most apt to pull this off?

984
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Speaker 2: The question around the US soccer comparison combined with last

985
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Speaker 2: week's podcast, mm hmm, got me thinking about these kinds

986
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Speaker 2: of comparison. So we're talking moneyball, we're talking college football,

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Speaker 2: and we're talking about that over on our patreon, Dan

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Speaker 2: This week. We will obviously be looking back a bit

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Speaker 2: at what transpired on Friday. Today, we'll also be looking

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Speaker 2: maybe not as significant just given where Auburn's at, but

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Speaker 2: always a fun rivalry the handicaps. We'll talk through that

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Speaker 1: Dan Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy your weekend. We will talk tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Okay yeah. Let's keep this show going though, for the

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