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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 1: This week's Thursday Therapy. We've got Roseanne Austin. She's got

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Speaker 1: a book coming out in August, The Feminine Fertility Cure,

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Speaker 1: which is discover your innate power to have a baby,

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Speaker 1: regardless of age, diagnosis, or scary statistics. Let's get her on.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I am fantastic. I have to admit little starstruck.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're so sweet. I'm so happy to have you

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Speaker 1: on because I feel like this is, you know, a

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Speaker 1: topic that is relatable to a lot of women out there,

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Speaker 1: and it is June is infertility Awareness month. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm very happy to have you on.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to be here. It's quite an honor.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're sweet. So you live in Austin, Yeah? Or no, No,

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Speaker 1: you live Woodlands, Texas?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, just outside of Houston.

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Speaker 1: So we'll just hop right into it. But do you

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Speaker 1: have one child?

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's my miracle boy. He's turning seven this month.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that was kind of my first question was

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Speaker 1: you know, did you have trouble conceiving which is why

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Speaker 1: you you know, have this book coming out?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, yes, woman necessity is the mother of invention,

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Speaker 2: and that's how all of this started.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was your journey like to having your son?

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Speaker 2: So this all started back when I was a prosecutor

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Speaker 2: in California, So I prosecuted domestic violence and sexual assault

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Speaker 2: cases for a very long time. And when my husband

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Speaker 2: and I met, and he was in law enforcement as well,

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Speaker 2: we were already in our mid thirties and so this I,

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Speaker 2: you know, heard through the grapevine that it was going

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Speaker 2: to be harder for me to have a baby because

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Speaker 2: I was quote unquote old. I don't know where exactly

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Speaker 2: I picked that up, but that was the idea going

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Speaker 2: into it, like, hurry up, we got to do this,

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Speaker 2: you know, fast, before I'm over the hill, right and

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Speaker 2: very quickly. I mean I had no idea what to expect, Jannam,

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Speaker 2: because I entered a world that I was not prepared for. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: I could pass the California bar, Yes I was prosecuting

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Speaker 2: serious violent felonies, but I had no idea what the

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Speaker 2: world of fertility was going to be like. Because the

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Speaker 2: minute we started trying, like I had seen my doctor

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Speaker 2: before just letting her know, hey, this is what I'm

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Speaker 2: about to embark on you know, what should I be

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Speaker 2: prepared for. I didn't get that much information other than

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Speaker 2: start a prenatal but that was the beginning of a

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Speaker 2: seven year journey to my son. So we were trying,

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Speaker 2: like we tried naturally for six months and then we're

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Speaker 2: scared out of our wits because you know, of our

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Speaker 2: age and everything.

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Speaker 1: We were hearing how old again were you at that time?

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Speaker 2: So around that time, I was about thirty seven, and

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Speaker 2: it was crazy because everything we were hearing is hey,

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Speaker 2: the door is closing, you better hurry up. So then

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Speaker 2: we started going to fertility clinics. I mean we spared

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Speaker 2: no expense. I was trying every treatment, diet, lotion, potion

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Speaker 2: And we were traveling hundreds of miles a week. I

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Speaker 2: was going to a top ten teaching hospital in northern California,

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Speaker 2: like seeking antsers. Nobody could tell us anything except, you know,

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Speaker 2: point to our age, and I was like, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm otherwise healthy, you know, have a reasonably

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Speaker 2: good diet, but nothing was working. So I had to

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Speaker 2: get to a point where I was like, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: a trial attorney. I solve problems. I strategized, I said,

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Speaker 2: what isn't clean in all of this? Because I wasn't

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Speaker 2: letting dairy or gluten sugar, anything cross my lips. I

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Speaker 2: was if you told me, Jane, that's standing on my

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Speaker 2: head would get me pregnant. I did exactly that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I was a very good student. But what I didn't

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Speaker 2: understand is I wasn't leveraging the most powerful asset I had,

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Speaker 2: and that was my mind, my belief system, because I

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Speaker 2: was going into every single one of our treatments expecting

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Speaker 2: to fail and expecting you know, I felt shame. I

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Speaker 2: felt guilt, Like here I am, I'm accomplished in these

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Speaker 2: can't look at all this stress I'm creating, Like I'm

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Speaker 2: not get the best cases or you might lose your assignment.

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Speaker 2: You've been working so hard for that's a whole nother conversation.

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Speaker 2: But I just felt so much pressure to make this happen,

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Speaker 2: these years later that I wasn't getting pregnant. So what

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Speaker 2: And I had to change my belief about myself, belief

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Speaker 2: about my what possible for me on this journey. And

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Speaker 2: the end result was, I mean, none of our treatments worked,

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Speaker 2: but I became more fertile in my forties because I

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Speaker 2: had my son when I was almost forty four, Jenna,

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Speaker 2: So I was technically more fertile in my forties than

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Speaker 1: So I love the idea of that, right, and and

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Speaker 1: that's a that it's amazing. And I do think you

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Speaker 1: know the power of positivity and the power of you know,

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Speaker 1: thinking positive thoughts, and there's also many women that still

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Speaker 1: have infertility issues. You know, it's like just because you

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Speaker 1: think positive doesn't mean Okay, you know my friend who's

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Speaker 1: who's been having miscarriage after miscarriage, like you know, she's

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Speaker 1: the most positive person there is, and like you know,

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Speaker 1: so I get that and I love that. And the

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Speaker 1: same time, it's like the woman that's probably like had

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Speaker 1: her you know, tenth miscarriage listening being like I've been positive,

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Speaker 1: you know, like give me something else, you know, Like

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Speaker 1: you you know? I don't know. I guess I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's talk about that because when I when

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Speaker 2: I come from the perspective that mindset isn't just positive thinking.

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Speaker 2: Positive thinking is not enough. It's absolutely not enough. It's

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Speaker 2: a way you think. So I look at it this

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Speaker 2: you can be positive all day, but if that doesn't

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Speaker 2: of self pity, or you get stuck in a story

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Speaker 2: that I'm not enough or this is never going to

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Speaker 2: action you take. So my heart goes out to your

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Speaker 2: friend that had ten miscarriages. I mean, it's a blessing

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Speaker 2: that she's still in the game at this point, right,

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Speaker 2: But if you have a history that way that includes

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Speaker 2: And my work is about helping women propel themselves forward

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Speaker 2: because I have women that I've worked with that have

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Speaker 2: had similar histories that are now holding babies today. And

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Speaker 2: I assure you it's not because they just thought positive.

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Speaker 2: There will be a way. If there is a desire,

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Speaker 2: there must be a way. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That tracks more. I get, like that makes sense

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Speaker 1: to me. Through your journey, what diet did do you

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Speaker 2: You know? Funny enough, I call it the joy diet

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Speaker 2: because I was trying every diet. I did, gluten free,

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Speaker 2: and to stop agonizing over every single detail. Now, obviously

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Speaker 2: that's going to be different for someone that actually has

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Speaker 2: then great, observe that, but at the same time, like

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Speaker 2: allow yourself to have some joy in that process. So

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Speaker 2: that's a mindset shift to be able to say, oh, I,

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Speaker 1: How do you because I get asked this question, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's hard because I've been there, like I've had I've

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Speaker 1: I just pray and hope for that person to have

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Speaker 2: So I don't. I I typically will ask what do

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Speaker 2: space and giving permission for that woman to be heard

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Speaker 2: and say, hey, what do you need to hear right now?

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Speaker 2: How can I be there for you? What do you

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Speaker 2: because that's what I write about in my new book,

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Speaker 2: The Feminine Fertility Cure, is we get so stuck in

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Speaker 2: these very masculine measures of success Jannet, that we use

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Speaker 2: numbers against us. Right, So, like a woman who has

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Speaker 1: Right. What do you want your biggest takeaway to be

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Speaker 2: I see this time and again, Janna, that the more

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Speaker 1: And that's my.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I am so thankful that you came on

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of women that will not only love

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Speaker 2: And thank you Jana. Thank you for bringing this topic

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Speaker 1: So thank you, No, thank you, girl. I appreciate you.