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Speaker 1: Iheartradios live coverage. I'm not twenty twenty five Steelers training camp.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, and welcome back to the campus

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Speaker 2: at Saint Vincent College. Here another beautiful day in Latrobe, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: for what is already matt Our penn Ultimate, our next

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Speaker 2: to last practice here on campus.

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Speaker 3: That happened quickly, yep. I always like to quote MoES.

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Speaker 3: It's not the last training camp practice, but it is

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Speaker 3: our version of Channing camp and in the second the

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Speaker 3: last one at Saint Vincent. And so there is a buzz.

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Speaker 3: The weather is wonderful, as you mentioned, We've got a

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Speaker 3: game to talk about. That's pretty cool, you know, and

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Speaker 3: let's roll.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely it looks like it'll be a non padded practice

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Speaker 2: for the Steelers here today.

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Speaker 3: Shocked me a little bit. It was a minor disappointment

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Speaker 3: I thought we might see some banging, but I assume

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Speaker 3: tomorrow along those.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow will be along those lines. But I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I thought maybe because you know, you're allowed to have

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Speaker 2: too in a row. Yeah, it's kind of the the

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Speaker 2: way this it's collectively bargained in the CBA. Two padded

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Speaker 2: practices you can have back to back, but then on

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Speaker 2: the third day you have to do non padded I

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Speaker 2: was hoping that we'd get too in a row here

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Speaker 2: to kind of close us down for camp.

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Speaker 3: But I guess Thursday is going to be a very

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Speaker 3: physical time.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine Thursday against the Bucks is going to

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Speaker 2: be a very physical day. So it kind of makes sense,

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Speaker 2: you know, ease off of a Monday, physicality, Tuesday, ease off, Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: physicality Thursday, ease off Friday, and then preseason game on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: And this is matt Man. This is like the time

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Speaker 2: of year that it all happens very quickly, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all of a sudden, all sudden, right like bo Okay,

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Speaker 3: we got this practice, I drive home, We got to

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Speaker 3: unpack our stuff, you know, we go. We already had

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Speaker 3: a preseason game. The other one's coming pretty darn soon. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I don't know how people

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Speaker 3: cover other sports, you know, like once a week. It

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Speaker 3: seems like games come fast, you know, let alone five

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Speaker 3: a week in hockey or baseball or whatever. But I

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Speaker 3: guess you don't prep for the next one like you

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Speaker 3: do in correct NFL obviously, and not that people were

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Speaker 3: prepping a lot for preseason, No, no, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it always strikes me how quickly that happens,

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Speaker 2: as to like, after this week we're gonna have the

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Speaker 2: home preseason game. Then it'll be that kind of quick

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Speaker 2: turnaround for the Thursday preseason game.

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Speaker 4: And Jack or in Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Part of me so, what like thirteen days from now,

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Speaker 2: twelve days from now, the Steelers will be playing their

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Speaker 2: final preseason game and then be awkward.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very quick how it all happens.

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Speaker 3: I saw it was a little break before the regular season.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, like the football Ireland guys were posting the

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Speaker 2: college football season starts.

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Speaker 4: In two weeks in Ireland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kansas State and Iowa State are playing in Ireland

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Speaker 2: to open up the college football season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at the other so they have kind of

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Speaker 2: two big stadiums in the Dublin area. The one is

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Speaker 2: obviously historic Croke Park, which you know is built in

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Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds and has been remodeled a bunch of

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Speaker 2: times since then. But where the Steelers will host the

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Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings a little over a month from now and

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Speaker 2: then I think it's called Aria Stadium, which is newer,

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Speaker 2: I think, only built within the last five years or so,

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Speaker 2: where they do like that's where Florida State and Georgia

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Speaker 2: Tech played a college football game there last season. So

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Speaker 2: that's where the college football game will be again. Not

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Speaker 2: the same place that we will be, same stadium that

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Speaker 2: we will be in late September. But yeah, it all

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Speaker 2: starts happening really quick, really fast around this time of year.

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Speaker 2: And this is it in terms of the public portion

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Speaker 2: of training camp here on the campus of Saint Vincent College.

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Speaker 2: You got today and you got tomorrow, and then that

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Speaker 2: will be it for the twenty twenty five Steelers training

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Speaker 2: camp slate. Matt, we got these Steelers twenty five preseason

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Speaker 2: slate underway this past Saturday night down in Jacksonville. Man,

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Speaker 2: A lot of times I think preseason games could be

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Speaker 2: very boring. I'm not gonna lie to you, Sure but Saturdays,

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Speaker 3: One to twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot to deduce for the offense, for the defense. Heck,

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Speaker 2: we saw Cam Little knock down a seventy yard field goal.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot happening on Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if you had no horse in the

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Speaker 3: race and you just turned it on. The seventy yard

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Speaker 3: field goals the thing everyone's talking about. And Travis Hunter

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Speaker 3: played both sides of ball, like, oh, okay, you know

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Speaker 3: that really is going to happen. But really, from a

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Speaker 3: Steeler perspective, I would really have to pick knits for

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Speaker 3: that to gone any better. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they sat, as most people know, but I

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Speaker 3: think the number was eighteen. I heard Max Stark saying

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Speaker 3: that eighteen non injured players, like he didn't count McCollum

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Speaker 3: or high Smith who weren't going to play. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: That truly got rested, and obviously none of those guys

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Speaker 3: were in harm's way, and they still had really good

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Speaker 3: quarterback play. I thought, you know, coach Tomlin mentioned a

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Speaker 3: few times highly they didn't shoot themselves in the foot,

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Speaker 3: didn't have any procedural errors all in all. I mean

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Speaker 3: it was a very clean play game. I you know,

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Speaker 3: I have a word document open as the game goes on,

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Speaker 3: and probably three different times I kept writing, really good

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Speaker 3: tackling performance by the Steelers, you know, which is kind

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Speaker 3: of rare for the first time he actually play a

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Speaker 3: real game. Saw the second string O line out there,

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Speaker 3: a bunch you saw, you said, really good quarterback play,

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Speaker 3: and some guys that aren't household names made their case

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Speaker 3: a little stronger, you know, so I thought it was

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Speaker 3: a highly successful outing.

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Speaker 4: I did as well too.

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Speaker 2: You had a couple of lead changes in there as

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Speaker 2: well too, which I think is always good for preseason game,

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Speaker 2: you know, like, all right, we're playing with the lead now,

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Speaker 2: all right, we're trailing. Now, how are we gonna attack

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Speaker 2: and adapt? And kind of most importantly, doesn't seem like

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Speaker 2: it seems like you escaped that stadium with no real injuries.

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Speaker 3: Of not I buried the lead. Yeah you're you're under sounds.

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Speaker 2: Like Cameron McCutcheon was the only one, and he was

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Speaker 2: actually waived by the team this morning. But other than that, man,

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Speaker 2: no harm, no foul, a lot of rook. He's got

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Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer played a ton as we see him kind

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there was a couple even so they sat the

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Speaker 3: But Sawyer and Leal, I mean, you had three outside

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Speaker 3: couple guys, and that's not a unique thing for Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: He did this with Roderick Jones. There's been some rookies

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Speaker 3: make sure they're in shape. I think, in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: hot environment, et cetera. Wasn't hot. I mean it wasn't

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Speaker 4: It wasn't crazy hot, but it was steamy.

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Speaker 3: It was typical Florida. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was that you know, classic Florida. Had kind

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Speaker 2: it was humid, it was it was sticky and steamy.

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Speaker 3: Out there. Okay, I'm sure they noticed, you know, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, I mean you should have seen Max.

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Speaker 2: Max was dying in the press box and he was like,

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Speaker 2: I thought this was going to be easier than being

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Speaker 3: Air conditioning, this sort of suspect.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, we always we open up the windows completely

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Speaker 2: the booth, you know, because you got to be able

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Speaker 2: to hear. And so yeah, I mean it's not quite

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Speaker 2: was still it was still pretty humid up there in

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it was fun.

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Speaker 2: We got you know, we had Ramone Foster on the broadcast.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot a lot of fun listening to

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Speaker 2: him and Max go back and forth and talking about

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Speaker 2: the offensive lineman and the defensive lineman. And I think

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Speaker 2: we all came away impressed by and it's mad. It's

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Speaker 2: the guys build upon what we're seeing. A practice here,

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Speaker 2: how about another?

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Speaker 3: So sounds like your side of things. Max's sweating side

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Speaker 3: was a success. It was.

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Speaker 2: Listen, the first game is always a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a it's always a little anxiety. I'm sure, right, because yeah,

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Speaker 2: six or seven months, particularly starting on the road, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: it's not our our press box, it's not our booth,

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Speaker 2: At Akershur Stadium, it's a it's a different organization, different

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Speaker 2: had very little issues. I had to go ask somebody

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Speaker 3: You described that last week. How sometimes you walk into

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Speaker 3: a venue and it's like you gotta de winnerrize it.

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Speaker 2: The first preseason game is always like did they remember

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Speaker 2: to turn the internet on it here? Because they've had

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Speaker 2: or whatever. But yeah, very smooth, very good. Uh you

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Speaker 2: should have seen, man, the candy bar that they had

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Speaker 2: there in the Jacksonville It was incredible.

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Speaker 3: The big old king size every type.

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Speaker 2: Of candy and gummy and snack you name it, plus

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Speaker 2: a self serve soft serve ice cream machine. Yeah, with

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Speaker 2: all the accouterments, you know, sprinkles and chocolate chips and oreos.

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Speaker 2: He also you'll laugh at this. He had one of

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Speaker 2: his buddies or maybe family members who came to the

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Speaker 2: who came to the game and brought him four pounds

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Speaker 2: of BUCkies beef jerky, which for those for those it's

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Speaker 2: a lot of jerkey for those who are unfamiliar to BUCkies.

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Speaker 3: Is like special about BUCkies.

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Speaker 4: Sheets are wa on steroids.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so if you know what sheets is, if you

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Speaker 2: know what is, it's like imagine if they made it

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Speaker 2: with a Walmart.

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Speaker 4: That's what BUCkies.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, there gas stations, but they look like shopping centers.

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Speaker 2: They have a hundred gas pumps, Matt, and you go

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Speaker 2: inside and they have like smoke pits. They have a deli,

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Speaker 3: Drop us off as a Florida I'm sure this is

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Speaker 2: No, it's like like, let's go Bucks, like.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and that that that bagged you should that bagged

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Speaker 3: jerky is delicious.

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Speaker 2: But like the one Max, the one that Max bought

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Speaker 2: it was a deli meat like it was wrapped up.

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Speaker 2: It was wrapped up in like waxed paper, like they

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Speaker 4: It's really good.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's kind of like you know how we

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Speaker 3: So there's a jerkey I get on Amazon. I love,

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Speaker 4: I'm a big jerky guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a good it's a good easy convenience

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Speaker 4: But man, why a black scene?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It was great.

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Speaker 2: The progression from what we've seen here in practice, which

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's a lot of names we could bring up,

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Speaker 3: but that's a good place to start. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: that everybody knows. But then I think he's kind of

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Speaker 2: I think you're right, And man, that would have surprised

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we drafted him. There's a lot of competition on

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of competition on the D line. There's

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Speaker 2: you know, like even even outside of that big three,

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Speaker 4: But I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I think in practice and I think in that first

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Speaker 2: my you know, to use an NBA analogy, he'd be

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right, when I went to the when I went the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not in throwing downs, I mean not

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Speaker 2: And then I thought, too, Matt, I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my biggest takeaway was, well, Skyler Thompson

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Speaker 4: Paychecks this year, and I think that's a great way

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Speaker 3: It, and I even brought it up. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: maybe you do like the tape, but he doesn't know anything,

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Speaker 3: you know, film rooms and yeah, so I don't know

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Speaker 3: because someone at a minimum is going to have him

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Speaker 4: Yes, I completely agree with you on.

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Speaker 3: That two minute drill, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I hesitate like I saw a lot of

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Speaker 3: So I also think that he said and done on

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Speaker 2: Teams look at it and they go, all right, well,

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Speaker 2: We'll be able to get him.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll fight with the other teams, and it probably

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Speaker 2: And I was just gonna say, it's the conversation that

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Speaker 3: I'm on the pregame show, Jerry Dulac asked me, He's like,

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Speaker 3: He's like, can you remember there being no position battles

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Speaker 3: that is pretty crazy. And really when you start looking

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Speaker 3: well as we saw in that game, the depth is

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Speaker 2: No, it feels like of the fifty three, like forty

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Speaker 2: been pretty close to being solidified when we even got here, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: To campus two and a half weeks ago. So I'm

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Speaker 3: But then they're gonna cut a good player, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I think they are absolutely gonna cut a couple

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Speaker 3: And your point about weight man, he's going to be

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Speaker 3: one of the thirty two punters. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that's a competition. It's not his fault,

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Speaker 4: I agree with you on that.

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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna he has done enough to show

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Speaker 2: He might be a top twenty punter in the National

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Speaker 3: Here before too much longer.

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Speaker 2: Scanning the field in front of us Matt as a

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Speaker 2: practice underway warm ups going on right now after some

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Speaker 3: Since nineties out there.

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Speaker 4: What Tuesday, he had two in a row that he.

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Speaker 3: I think only two of those three can make the team.

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Speaker 3: So why have Ramsey out there clogging up, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think they just know that he's a star.

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Speaker 2: I think you are absolutely correct, and I think we've

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Speaker 3: I think it's noteworthy with there. I don't see Cam

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Speaker 4: I think you are correct.

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Speaker 3: That sure looks like him, right.

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Speaker 2: That bucket hat has been his look too when he's yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: when he hasn't practiced out here to this point. We

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Speaker 2: will have a continued attendance report for you is as

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Speaker 2: they kind of break off here and we get a

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Speaker 2: better look. But that looks to be the gist of

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Speaker 2: it right now. I do see well late, hold on,

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Speaker 2: let me let me make sure I thought I was

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Speaker 2: gonna say, I do.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no, I do.

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Speaker 2: Joey Porter Junr is down there on the sideline as

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Speaker 2: well too as him walking yep as his sleigh. So

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Speaker 2: could have full hands on deck, all hands on deck

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Speaker 2: for the Steelers secondary and what looks like, again a

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Speaker 2: a pretty full practice participation here from those that are available.

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Speaker 2: But will continue to bring you the details of that

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Speaker 2: as we roll along. I also, Matt, when we come

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Speaker 2: back from break here, you know we saw I think

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Speaker 2: an impressive touchdown catch and then a dunk from from

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Speaker 2: from Tell Washington on Saturday. I got a Darnell Washington

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Speaker 2: question for you that we'll get to in this hour

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Speaker 2: as well too. As we roll along, so some more,

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Speaker 2: some final preseason observations, preseason game number one observations, and

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Speaker 2: we'll obviously paint the picture for practice for you here

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Speaker 2: as things get rolling along. We got a bunch to

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Speaker 2: Back on Campus here on a lovely Monday in Letro,

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Speaker 2: pennsylvan As we are coming down the home stretch of

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Speaker 2: this twenty twenty five training camp before here Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: You always know when the first preseason game rolls around

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Speaker 2: that you're getting close to the end of the public portion. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of training camp here, as Matt joked about in the

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Speaker 2: first segment, as Motes would always remind us, training camp

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Speaker 2: isn't over for these guys, all right, they just move

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Speaker 2: back to the South Side facility. It's not like suddenly

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Speaker 2: things get easier.

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Speaker 3: Good crowd, but not crazy. I mean, guys think it's

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Speaker 3: a week day and yeah, the hills aren't full.

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Speaker 2: And I will say, like these are typically the quietest

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Speaker 2: days on campus.

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Speaker 3: Some people are going back to school and yeah, like

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of my buddies and my son's

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Speaker 3: buddies are like going off the college today, and you know,

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Speaker 3: things like that starting to come around to you.

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Speaker 2: Know, absolutely, I think it's kind of like the end

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Speaker 2: of summer vacation season for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, people are going back to school.

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Speaker 2: It's just tougher on a Monday and Tuesday as opposed

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Speaker 2: to maybe on a Thursday and Friday. If you take

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Speaker 2: a long weekend or something like that. And I think Matt,

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Speaker 2: like everyone kind of gets that fix in that first

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Speaker 2: preseason game, you know, like the junk the chunkies and

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Speaker 2: the diehard's got to get out here in the first

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Speaker 2: like two weeks. But once that preseason game hits, I

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Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people feel like, all right,

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Speaker 2: you got that first taste, you got that that football

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Speaker 2: craving gone on.

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Speaker 3: They'll deliver it to me. I don't have to go

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Speaker 3: get it, you know, live exactly.

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Speaker 2: Right, exactly right. And one thing that got delivered was

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Speaker 2: a Darnell.

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Speaker 3: Washington slam dunk boom.

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Speaker 2: One handed slam after the Steelers opening drive touchdown. Impressive

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Speaker 2: drive led by Mason Rudolph and company capped to Darnell

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Speaker 2: Washington with a touchdown pass, and Matt I wanted to

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Speaker 2: as we see the tight ends working right in front

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Speaker 2: of us, here is things get going. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: ask you this because I was doing some this morning

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Speaker 2: Max and Kinger, you know I produced there in the

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Speaker 2: locker room show. They were asking me to look up

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Speaker 2: some Darnell Washington numbers for them from his first two seasons,

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Speaker 2: and one thing that kind of caught my eye, and uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to save for our talking purposes

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Speaker 2: obviously and not share with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could do their own work.

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Speaker 4: They could do their own work, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: I did just order that jerky by the way.

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Speaker 2: By the way, did you did you go with the

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Speaker 2: variety pack or did you get.

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Speaker 3: There was like a twelve? I'm kind of a plain

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Speaker 3: boring dude, but I did get the garlic one you mentioned.

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Speaker 3: There was like there's a steakhouse one that seemed like

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Speaker 3: is as close to boring as usual. And then there

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Speaker 3: was like a hickory one that I went for.

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Speaker 4: Okay, hickory is really good.

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Speaker 3: They should be there when I get back from Max.

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Speaker 2: Max brought a cherry maple one or was it good?

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Speaker 2: And I'm with you too, I'm kind of a plain

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Speaker 2: Jane when it comes yeah with that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm like that with wings too. I always get buffalo.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, yep.

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Speaker 2: I am now gonna have to order some BUCkies jerky

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Speaker 2: off of Amazon. I'm gonna have to tell my wife

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Speaker 2: that we can get BUCkies on Amazon.

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Speaker 3: Gold Rush is the one I have been hitting, which.

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, yeah, I'll be interested to know your

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Speaker 2: take on the BUCkies versus gold Rush. We'll have to

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Speaker 2: We'll have to break that down at some point, Washington. Yes,

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Speaker 2: his first season in the National Football League ten targets Okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, not many? Now I knew was low, but

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Speaker 3: I would have taken higher than that.

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Speaker 2: Slash year twenty five targets nineteen receptions on twenty five targets.

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Speaker 3: Okay, real quickly, Let's remember his first year was not

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Speaker 3: with Arthur Smith, correct, which is if they weren't as

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Speaker 3: tight end centric of a team. But still he was

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Speaker 3: the third round rookie, you know, okay, absolutely? Would you

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Speaker 3: say it was his second year twenty five?

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Speaker 2: So ten targets to twenty five okay, seven receptions to

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Speaker 2: nineteen receptions, So he more than doubled both of those

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Speaker 2: numbers from his first to second season. What's that look

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Speaker 2: like this year? What would you set the over under

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Speaker 2: for targets? And then I guess from there we could

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Speaker 2: talk about receptions and everything else. But ten to twenty

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Speaker 2: five to what in terms of targets in his third.

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Speaker 3: Season isn't exactly what you asked.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is when we get the good stuffs. Kids,

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Speaker 2: get your notebook ready. This will be on the test years.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think all those numbers will go up, without question. Sure,

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Speaker 3: but the tight end pie also will get wide or

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Speaker 3: we'll get bigger, of course, but it still can't get

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Speaker 3: ridiculously huge. I mean, you're gonna share targets obviously with

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Speaker 3: three other tight ends, namely Friarmouth and Smith, of course.

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Speaker 3: But where I'm going with this, and this isn't what

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Speaker 3: you ask me, is I guarantee his average depth of

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Speaker 3: target those two years, because I mean even last year

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Speaker 3: he caught a very high percentage of his targets because

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Speaker 3: they weren't very far downfield. It wasn't a high degree

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Speaker 3: of difficulty. But they'll start there. I bet his average

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Speaker 3: depth of target goes up exponentially. Like that doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: he still won't catch the three four yard flare, run

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Speaker 3: over a safety and get you six or seven on

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Speaker 3: a bootleg or a rollout. Sure that's still gonna be there.

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Speaker 3: But as we saw with this, and we've definitely seen

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Speaker 3: it Saint Vincent's, they're gonna get him downfield, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I definitely think that some red zone stuff, some

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Speaker 3: throws into the end zone. It's been some think we've

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Speaker 3: seen a lot of with them, So I bet his

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Speaker 3: percentage of passes that he catches of his targets goes

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Speaker 3: down because the higher degree of difficulties to be downfield.

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Speaker 3: More fifty targets thirty two catches, I.

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Speaker 2: Was gonna literally five touchdown. I think my over under

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Speaker 2: would be close to fifty. Yeah, maybe forty eight and

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Speaker 2: a half forty nine and a half.

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Speaker 3: Something that's not easy to get to. I mean he's

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Speaker 3: got his targets. I mean he's definitely gonna block. He's

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Speaker 3: gonna pass block on a pass play, definitely more than

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Speaker 3: Friar Muther Smith because he's really good at it. But

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you don't. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: you put that genie back in the bottle. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's such a weapon, and he might not be as

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Speaker 3: fast as those other two tight ends. I would say

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Speaker 3: he's not as quick or as twitchy. He's also fifty

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Speaker 3: pounds heavy. It's funny he catches the touchdowns like sixty

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Speaker 3: six sixty two to sixty two sixty.

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Speaker 4: You haven't seen him late, maybe maybe two years ago.

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Speaker 3: Right, I think they might have been his combine numbers,

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Speaker 3: but who knows. And his first step or two isn't

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Speaker 3: the twitchiest you've ever seen. But by about step three,

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Speaker 3: step four, he starts rolling. He can run. I mean

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Speaker 3: his top speed is still pretty high. So I definitely

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Speaker 3: think you'll see him more down the scene, more targets

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Speaker 3: in the end zone and into the end zone. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how you don't at least throw them three

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Speaker 3: ish a game.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that's about.

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Speaker 3: That's right kind of where it came to fifty, and

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Speaker 3: that would try to break it down per game three

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Speaker 3: or four, right in that range. Three and a half

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Speaker 3: is time seventeen, you know, something in that neighborhood, assuming

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Speaker 3: health gets too to about fifty, and I think they'll

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Speaker 3: be high target. I mean again, some of them will

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Speaker 3: be premium targets into the end zone, and I think

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Speaker 3: they'll be further downfield than they've been for sure those

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Speaker 3: first three years.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of first down receptions for

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Speaker 2: him to sea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like so that first season, right, seven receptions he had

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Speaker 2: on ten targets, Four of those seven catches were for

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Speaker 2: first downs.

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Speaker 3: Really okay, last year.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen receptions on twenty five targets. Nine of his nineteen

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Speaker 2: receptions were for first down.

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Speaker 3: First downs I mean, and you.

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Speaker 2: Talked about a touchdowns he has last year, yet.

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Speaker 4: He had that one touchdown? Was it in Denver?

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Speaker 2: I want to say where he had the touchdown early

639
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Speaker 2: on the season, I believe, But I mean you mentioned

640
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Speaker 2: the receiving yards per target for him as well too.

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Speaker 2: His first year was six point one yards per target.

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Speaker 2: That's not average.

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Speaker 3: Reception, you know, right right per target?

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Speaker 4: Right per target?

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Speaker 2: Eight last year, so it jumped up from six point

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Speaker 2: one to eight. Would you expect that to maybe closer.

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Speaker 3: To ten over slightly over? Yeah, I would say double digits. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that's fair. And no, don't think

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Speaker 3: I'm divulging any trade seekers because we actually just saw

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Speaker 3: it on you know, the in the game. But I

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Speaker 3: bet we see three or four routes today. Who knows

652
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Speaker 3: he gets the ball where he's ten, fifteen, twenty yards

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Speaker 3: downfield when the ball is thrown. I mean we see

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Speaker 3: it every practice where it's not just turn Yeah the

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Speaker 3: bootleg that we saw so often last year and it

656
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Speaker 3: was successful, but it was pretty boring, you know, or

657
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: just five yards downfield, turn around and box a guy out.

658
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: A lot of them are him on the move? Yes,

659
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: rumbling down the field, and I think we'll see more

660
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: and more of that. I absolutely he's a very unique player.

661
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 4: He is, he's and.

662
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: That's what we like about that tight end room. I

663
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: know you and I have discussed this. I think everybody's

664
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: discussed this. You got a lot of different types.

665
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's on purpose by the way I

666
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: mean him and Connor, Hey, we're doing like they played

667
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: a samposition or same sport.

668
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: Correct and then move is a different type John who's

669
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: a different type that I think to me is going

670
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: to be a lot of fun to see what the

671
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: deployment and the usage looks like over the course of

672
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Speaker 2: a seventeen game regular season.

673
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 3: And we've talked about this a fair amount. So if

674
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: they come out in just twelve personnel, let alone thirteen,

675
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: did they get base did they get Nickel? Most teams

676
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: in a very generic world counter twelve nowadays with Nickel

677
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: because there aren't many true blocking tight ends in the league.

678
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: Most tight ends are receiver for but defending Friarmuth and Washington,

679
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: which is twelve, is a lot different than defending John

680
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: New and Fryarman totally, which out of twelve. You know,

681
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: if you're just gonna be We're always gonna be base

682
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: against twelve. We're always gonna be Nickel against Bay. Okay,

683
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: well we're gonna give you a different week. It's gonna

684
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: be different twelve. Yeah.

685
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that to me is and I think

686
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: you and I, honestly everything is cyclical this time of year,

687
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: but I think you and I had a similar discussion

688
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: like the first one of the first couple weeks of camp,

689
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: or one of the first couple of days part of

690
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: me of camp, one of the first shows we did together,

691
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: where part of the difficulty of the AFC North right

692
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: is you might go to Cincinnati one week and you

693
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: got to take on Burrow and Chase and Higgins in.

694
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: That dynamic highly eleven personnel team.

695
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: Catchers, highly eleven personnel pass catchers, dynamic offensive playmakers that

696
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: they want to throw the ball and stretch the field with.

697
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they led the league in past times.

698
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: You know, are definitely in past percentage.

699
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 2: I mean, Burrow and Chase had a historic season and

700
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase won the Triple Crown and they still went

701
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: nine and eight because that's how bad their defense was.

702
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: They had three losses this year where they scored thirty

703
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: eight or more points. So that has never happened before

704
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: in NFL history. So you have a team in an

705
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: offense that's built like the Bengals. You go to Cincinnati

706
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: one week and then the next week you come back

707
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: home to Achrocer Stadium, and here come to Baltimore Ravens

708
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: with Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry and everything that they

709
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: do on offense. My hope is that that's the Steelers

710
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: kind of match up.

711
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: Oh no, how are we gonna handle this?

712
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: What do we do?

713
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

714
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: Is all the different things that they'll be able to

715
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 2: do with their twelve personnel, and how you can't just okay, well,

716
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: when the Steelers, we're in twelve, here's how we're gonna

717
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: defend it. No, it's got to be when they're in

718
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: twelve A. This is how we defend it. When they're

719
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 2: in twelve B, this is how we defend it. When

720
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: they're in twelve C, this is how we defend it.

721
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Speaker 3: And thirteen right yeah, actually right again. They play the

722
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Speaker 3: most thirteen of anyone in the league. Just want to

723
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Speaker 3: double check this because I actually tweeted it a day

724
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Speaker 3: or so ago. So the Bengals neutral pass rate is

725
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: basically when the games you're not losing by fourteen, you know,

726
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: like when the game's close and you basically have the

727
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: option to run or throw too much. I mean the

728
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: game is still a neutral I think it's still a

729
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: one score game. Well, they threw the ball sixty three

730
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: percent of the time. Is their neutral pass rate. The

731
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Speaker 3: second closest is fifty seven. I mean, like way more

732
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Speaker 3: than any other team. And I don't have it handy,

733
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: but I'm almost certain the Ravens are thirty first or

734
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: thirty second on that list, or first if you want

735
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: to go the other way, even just run past percentage

736
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Speaker 3: in a neutral situation, which is most of the game

737
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: unless you're getting blown out or blowing somebody out. Obviously

738
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: gonna run more with a big lead. Couldn't be any different,

739
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: and their styles of offense couldn't be any different. And

740
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 3: Bengals tight ends are Giseki, who's like a volleyball player

741
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: slot receiver, not Recard or Cohler or these bigger body dudes.

742
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: And we did talk about it a little bit last

743
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: week that if you look at the best offenses in

744
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: the league, they have something that's a little unique with them.

745
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: You know, one exam I mean the Ravens are very

746
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: obvious and their used to ACRD is really unique. But

747
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: like the Bills, they led the league in six offensive

748
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: line sets by a wide margin last year. It's just

749
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: something else to prepare for, as if preparing for Lamar

750
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: and Allen isn't paying the butt enough. But they do

751
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: something that most teams don't do. It's like, Okay, here

752
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: comes a knuckleball pitcher. I only see them once a

753
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: while or whatever. But if it's I think the Steeler

754
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: tight end usage, to your point, could be that calling

755
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: card for them. You know, it's something that's just a

756
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: little harder to prepare for than Joe average offense.

757
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: If you don't have the unicorn quarterback, Yeah, you gotta

758
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: have something in that regard, right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's

759
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: what makes that's what makes Buffalo's offense so difficult to defend,

760
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: is they have the unicorn quarterback and they kind of

761
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: have that different calling card.

762
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Speaker 3: And their Baltimore has a very unique offense and the MVP,

763
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Speaker 3: you know.

764
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right, And that's where I know we'll

765
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: get into, uh, some of Mike Sando and the Ethel

766
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: Quarterback Annual Club later on.

767
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: But that's one of the things I found interesting in

768
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Speaker 4: reading that.

769
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Speaker 3: I haven't ready yet. I just cut and paste it

770
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 3: and send it to you. I haven't got a chance

771
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: to look at even the list, so I'm excited.

772
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Speaker 4: They have Mahomes is their number one quarterback yep.

773
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: And then right on his tail is like is like

774
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: Allen and Lamar and Burrough And kind of their point

775
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: was like those guys have so many more additional things

776
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: in their offense that Mahomes doesn't have. Yet he's still

777
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: you know, like I know, I didn't I didn't lay

778
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 2: that out the best way, But like they said, Josh

779
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: Allen is more difficult to prepare for than Patrick Mahomes.

780
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Speaker 3: I can understand that, and I wouldn't disagree.

781
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 2: With But Mahomes is still number one, basically, yeah, yeah.

782
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: I do think that gap has gotten a little more narrow.

783
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: That they say the gap is never it's the fourth

784
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: straight year that they've had Mahomes number one, but that

785
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: the gap has never been more narrow. With that, the

786
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: only other quarterback, if Mahomes does it next year and

787
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: is the top Sando's QB rankings again next year, the

788
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: only other quarterback that's ever been number one five years

789
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: in a row.

790
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: The Rogers, Aaron Rodgers, I remember him dominating it when

791
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: they started to come out.

792
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's that is It is funny how that works.

793
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: And I think that's another thing that you and I

794
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: have talked about, how like Aaron Rodgers was the most

795
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: gifted passer of the football that we had ever seen

796
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: until yeah, maybe Patrick Maholds.

797
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 3: You know, I'm curious where he is on the list,

798
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 3: and we'll get into it later, but I am curious where.

799
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of them are the same

800
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: voters that had him four years in a row as

801
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: a champ. I wonder what kind of respect they still, right, Yeah?

802
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you you also from Warren Sharp unearthed

803
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: some some interesting numbers about best quarterbacks in the final

804
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: four minutes of each half. Yeah, that I want to

805
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: get into with you. Some good stuff there to like

806
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: from Aaron Rodgers. But yeah, I came away, Listen. I

807
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: think I was already confident in the Steelers quarterback depth

808
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: going down to Jacksonville, but hey, I feel good about

809
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: it even more so even more so now.

810
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if Thompson will even be a Steeler,

811
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 3: but good for him and to me. That also reflects

812
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: well on the coaching staff. I mean, things were very clean.

813
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: They're not going to dig in and figure out how

814
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 3: the best way to beat Jacksonville's coverage streams or their

815
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: blitzes or whatever. But it's still you could tell that

816
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: this group as a whole has been practicing, they're getting better.

817
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: That both quarterbacks were very efficient. They knew where to

818
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: go with the ball. It wasn't just a lot of

819
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: you know, wing it type things. I mean, it was

820
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: all within the structure of the offense. But I do

821
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 3: think reflects well on Arthur Smith and the coaching staff.

822
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I am completely with you on that, Matt. I

823
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: do believe in about five minutes or so here, we're

824
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: gonna have a little seven shots as you see the

825
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: defensive line starting to head this way.

826
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Speaker 4: So let's take our break now.

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Speaker 2: We'll bring you all the action as practice will pick

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Speaker 2: Seven shots underway and for the second time in three plays,

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Speaker 2: another batted pass.

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Speaker 3: I think I was intercepted by a big deal that.

841
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Speaker 2: Was intercepted by Was it Keanu Benton getting underneath that one?

842
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: I think louder Milk is the one that swatted it,

843
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: and think that's Benton. But it's really tough with the

844
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 3: Jersey rolled up situation, exactly like we've been.

845
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 4: Saying throughout campus. Yeah uh TJ.

846
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: Watt got his hands and deflected a pass on the

847
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: previous rep and then once again there the interior causing

848
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: some mayhem. First rep was a nice Aaron Rodgers. The

849
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: DK metcalf in the corner of the end zone. Darius

850
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: Slay just couldn't get turned around.

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00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 4: It was a great.

852
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 3: Throw, really threaded a needle.

853
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 4: Yeah by Aaron Rodgers.

854
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: As Mason Rudolph strikes back here and finds Scotty Miller

855
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: toe tapping near all. Yeah, I think he did as

856
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: well too, so that would make it two to two

857
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: tie here in our observations. But Matt, we continue to

858
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: see man this defensive group, they just have a knack

859
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: for batting down and getting their hands on football.

860
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: So phenomenal, I mean, really are And I think the

861
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: number is Cam Hayward led the league last year with

862
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: eight of them. I don't think anybody else had more

863
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 3: than five. Steelers had the most in the league. And

864
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 3: even now you're getting like louder Milk and of course

865
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: Black that are doing this with consistency out here. It's

866
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 3: it's crazy. I mean it's it's really a They result

867
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: in a lot of interceptions, let alone incompletions, of course

868
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Speaker 3: they do. I don't know if he got in. I

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00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: don't think so.

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00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: A little bit high from Mason Rudolph looking for Scotty

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Speaker 2: Miller in the back of the end zone.

872
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: Credit to Miller, he went up and got got it.

873
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: I mean the offense he got in, I'm not sure

874
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 3: if I don't.

875
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 4: Think he did either.

876
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: It looked like his feet landed on the line there,

877
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: but a heck of an effort to go up and

878
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: get that one from Scotty Miller. That would have been

879
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: an impressive catch from DK Metcalf And that was that

880
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: was a high one that he brought in, but it

881
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: kind of threw off his his center of gravity there

882
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: and I do think his feet came down on the

883
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: white lines.

884
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: That's what it looked like from up here.

885
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: As Skylar Thompson will check.

886
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: In, Pete is the second team left tackle.

887
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: Yes, good eye by you, as he got a lot

888
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 2: of work Saturday night down there in Jacksonville as well too,

889
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: as you would expect.

890
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 4: Snap back to Thompson looking.

891
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 3: Over the middle.

892
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: A little hot bear right off the hands of them.

893
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: I believe that was sermon that that was for Yes,

894
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: as UH it's been it's been a good it's been

895
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: a good kind of UH.

896
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 4: I think back and forth.

897
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: Seven shots here so far for for for both units.

898
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 4: Let's see looks like.

899
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: Also, according to our journalists and reporters, the UH trainers

900
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: are looking at Darius Slay's foot and ankle down there side,

901
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: so we'll keep an eye on that.

902
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: UH.

903
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: As Thompson will continue to operate from the shotgun. He's

904
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: got Laman to his right in the backfield, and Connor

905
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: Hayward now will move in motion from right to left.

906
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: Thompson looks left, throws back right, good pass rush. Good

907
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: job by him to just kind of get that one

908
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 2: out of there too, and and and give Let's see.

909
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: I believe that was like gangs.

910
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: There a chance they sure were.

911
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 3: And defense wins this right.

912
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 2: As I think the defense will win this one. Yes,

913
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: close though, I would say, yeah, but yeah, I'm gonna go.

914
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

915
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 3: I guess it would depends on Miller got in or not.

916
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right, But the first.

917
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 3: Rep was definitely an offensive win in a really nice

918
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: row by Rogers.

919
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: It sure was, sure was.

920
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see here now if I can see

921
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: Sleigh up. He is still over on the sideline with

922
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: his helmet off now and walking a little gingerly, not terribly. Yeah,

923
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: it looks like he's just favoring his foot and ankle

924
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: a little bit.

925
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: I wonder if But they're not tending to them. They're

926
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: not tending to wrapping it or icing it or anything

927
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: like that at the moment, so correct, I wouldn't be

928
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: shocked if this day is done, though.

929
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what exactly what I was getting ready to say.

930
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: He's kind of jog jogging on it, jogging now a

931
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: little bit, and doesn't look to be in too bad

932
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: of spirits. And I guess we'll see.

933
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: No one's even around him right now. No one seems

934
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: super worried about it.

935
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, so if he it looks like he might,

936
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: is he walking back out to the field or is

937
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: he going to stay on the sideline. But regardless that

938
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: hopefully just a little just a little knocking something nothing serious.

939
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 3: He got stepped on. I don't know. I didn't see

940
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: it happened.

941
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: Right, It might have might have happened on that corner

942
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: of the end zone play there as well. Kenneth Gainwell

943
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: with a good move to get around.

944
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 3: Oh we got this drill going on here, the tackle

945
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: at one side of.

946
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: One one of our favorite drills, the along the sideline tackle.

947
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 2: As Yeah, a good rep by Kenneth Gainwell on Peyton

948
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: Wilson and Cole Hulk be able to get a hand

949
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: on Trey Sermon there in front of us.

950
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: It wasn't a ton of snaps I mentioned in the

951
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: first period or the first segment that Gainwell did start

952
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: the game at running back. It was not Johnson. He

953
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: was out there for four or five snaps right off

954
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: the bat, and then they got them out.

955
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: That was the one thing Matt and I guess, hey,

956
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: it's one preseason game, right and maybe you maybe we

957
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: just kind of looking for something to nitpick out on

958
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: a night when I think it went mostly well for

959
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: the Steelers. But it wasn't a ton of the run game,

960
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: but both no, both sides. Both teams had the same

961
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: exact six six.

962
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: Six rushing yards.

963
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: Sweet, but it was not magnafique for either for the

964
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: Steelers in the run game. Is that something that you

965
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: could start to be concerned about or still too.

966
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: Early a little It's funny because the two nitpicks I

967
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: had about the game were the two things I've been

968
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: harping on like crazy in the offseason was yards per carry,

969
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: get that up, yep, and get to SAX numbers. And

970
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: they had zero and I think they only had two

971
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: quarterback hits, you know, So the two things I want

972
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: and expect and will be critical if they do not

973
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: improve didn't. But everything else in the game was pretty good,

974
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to go crazy on. And then

975
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: obviously Cam Watt, you know her Big high Smith didn't

976
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: play but still I look at this defensive front and

977
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: be like, there's still some good pass rushers out there,

978
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 3: and Sawyer and lea Al played deep into the game. Yeah,

979
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: get a sack, you know. And I didn't love the

980
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: running game. No, I didn't think Johnson was great. I

981
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 3: didn't think the blocking was great, particularly the second team

982
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: O line. Protection was much better than run blocking.

983
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, protection I thought was good, was encouraging.

984
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, Just two point six yards per carry for

985
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: the Steelers.

986
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 4: Not where you want to be.

987
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: No, No, eight carries for twenty yards for Caleb Johnson.

988
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: Okay, but it wasn't I didn't se him get a

989
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: lot of yardage on his own or like that.

990
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: Right, and again one game and again, as we always

991
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: say that defenses certainly a little bit further ahead of

992
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: the offenses in this process here, without a doubt.

993
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: But I'll go back and listen to it. But did

994
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: Max have any O line notes on Today's show with

995
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: Rob On today's show, the backup O line was kind

996
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: of I was.

997
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: Gonna say he I think I think he was encouraged

998
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: by the backups, Okay, and what we saw in that

999
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: performance there.

1000
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: I kind of felt for Sharping because with McCullum mouth.

1001
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: You were asking the guard to be a center, yes, okay,

1002
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 3: which isn't ideal.

1003
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: And he talked a little bit about how there were

1004
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: some no fumbles or muffs or anything, but it wasn't

1005
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: clear there was a couple couple not so good quarterback.

1006
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we agree on that that he talked about seventy one.

1007
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: Aiden Williams played a ton and I didn't really even

1008
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: know who he was before the game, So I'm excited

1009
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: to watch him today and tomorrow, especially tomorrow and Pads.

1010
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: Is that a bump up for him or was that

1011
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: because center was out so you had to move a guard,

1012
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: so he was you know what I mean? Right? Yeah,

1013
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: Cook played a lot.

1014
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: Cook played a lot, Ester played a Lotester played a lot, right,

1015
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: Pete played a lot, played out played a fair amount

1016
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: as well too.

1017
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, Stephen Jones played a night.

1018
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 3: Even played a ton of right tackle. The Pete note

1019
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 3: was Cook was the backup left tackle, and then Pete

1020
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: came in at some point. But then Cook came back

1021
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: in and the way that PURSUITO and I just kind

1022
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 3: of speculated, I think Pete's still getting into football shape totally.

1023
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he only played fifty seven snaps with the

1024
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: Raiders last year.

1025
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 4: You know, so one practice out here, in.

1026
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 3: One practice even then, he'd pulled him out too. Yeah,

1027
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: but he was he didn't play yeah anything. I have

1028
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: not seen him string a lot of snaps together. And

1029
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: now I'm not implying he's like fat and lazy. I

1030
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: just think he hasn't played football much lately, and in

1031
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 3: the heat. I just think he's getting into football shape.

1032
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: And that's a real thing, folks, it is.

1033
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: I don't care how well these guys take care of

1034
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: themselves throughout the offseason.

1035
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 3: It's different.

1036
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: Even the ones who are in the best tip top

1037
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 2: physical shape still need some adjustment.

1038
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 4: Time out here.

1039
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely, being a good shape is different than being in

1040
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: football shape and doing it out in the heat and

1041
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: in the elements and in these.

1042
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 3: Conditions, protecting in such an unnatural uh. You know, movement

1043
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: for a human being is a lot different than exercise,

1044
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 3: bike or swimming or whatever you're doing for conditioning.

1045
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: I think the best example, and I think people can

1046
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: relate to this, Matt, because I think we all when

1047
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: we were younger, like everybody went through a wrestling phase

1048
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: right where you whether it's your brother or your cousins

1049
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: or your siblings or your sisters, you know, like whatever, like.

1050
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 4: Kids like the wrestle.

1051
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you remember how that was. Like you

1052
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 2: go wrestle somebody for thirty seconds and you are dog tired,

1053
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: or box or one go box, go box for sixty

1054
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: seconds and you are dog like. You might be able

1055
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: to go outside and run three or four miles at

1056
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: a good pace.

1057
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: Right. That doesn't mean I was never super athletic, but

1058
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: I could play hoops all day long, every day. But

1059
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: if I were to like box for one dead, one

1060
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: ring or one round, I'd fall over.

1061
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, like that hand to hand combat stuff.

1062
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: That you got to get into shape.

1063
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: Dealing with resistance from another human being is a completely

1064
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: different animal than just being a good card, you know,

1065
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: shape that I think people often Okay, well, these guys

1066
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: they all take care of themselves. They can all go

1067
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: out and run and condition and all that.

1068
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: And we've had this conversation many times. But obviously the

1069
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: best reflection is your boy, Zac Frasier that if you

1070
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: can wrestle, though, you can do it out here totally

1071
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: like they're a different animal. Have I told you that?

1072
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 4: Zach Fraser's high school wrestling.

1073
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 3: Records two and like Alvin Nueva used to say, you know,

1074
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: football practice was the easiest day part of my day

1075
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: when he was in the army, know right, Yeah.

1076
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: Which is funny but also definitely true.

1077
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure they actually laugh a little bit. Yeah.

1078
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: One hour in the books, two more hours to go

1079
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: here as a practice, continuing to roll along in front

1080
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: of us will.

1081
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 4: Bring you more of that as we go along.

1082
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: We've got plenty to get into today as we've got

1083
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: some quarterback tiers and some final observations from Saturday night

1084
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: down in Jacksonville as well. Also, it's a it's one

1085
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: of those bonus uh you know, hour type shows here

1086
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: doing the three hour shows during training camp. So you

1087
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: know where to get at us on Twitter if you

1088
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: got any questions if you want to get involved as

1089
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: well too at Williamson NFL at Wesleyuler is where you

1090
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 2: can find us on X find us on Twitter, Hour

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