1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: You already know if you're getting this episode that it's 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: an emergency podcast. Washington Versus Oregon has been canceled. What's 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: going on with Arizona Versus Arizona State? The pack tail? 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: You already know if you're getting this episode that it's 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: an emergency episode. Something big has happened. So Washington Versus 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Oregon has been canceled, But that's not the biggest news. 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Arizona and Arizona State. There are rumors and there are whispers, 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: but that's not the biggest news. Larry Scott saying that 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: he is going to be negotiating his new deal in 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: between six and nine months from now, like it's supposed 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: to be. We're supposed to jump for joy. That's not 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: the biggest news. The fact that the PAC twelve has 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: weird championship scenarios, that's not even the biggest news. The 14 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: biggest news is the s e C just negotiated an 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: additional ten year deal with ESPN that starts in four 16 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: and their twenty year deal they did, plus the ten 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: year deal that they did, They've got deals running all 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: the way through twenty thirty three and twenty thirty four. 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: And what that means for the Pack twelve. I'm George 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: Rice Stir, He's Ralph Amston and this is the Pack 21 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: twelve Apostles. Thank you guys for listening to the Pack 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: twelve Apostles podcast. 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Hit Ralph up at Ralph Ams did me 32 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: at George Rice Stir on Twitter and the podcast at 33 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: Pack twelve Apostles, And of course make sure you leave 34 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: a five star rating wherever you listen to podcast. Ralph 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: will tell you four stars. But that sounds like some 36 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: Larry Scott malarkey to me. Where a five star production? 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: So Ralph the news today, Actually we'll just start with 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: the lightest news of Actually, no, no, let's go straight 39 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: to the Larry Scott part. So Larry Scott is talking 40 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: about he's going to be negotiating his new deal UH 41 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: in six to nine months. And when I saw this, 42 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: I think Can Kanzano put out a tweet about it 43 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: because um, he was on with UH this guy named 44 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: John or End from the Sports Business Journal. So this 45 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: is Larry Scott talking to Orange and he said that 46 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: his contract extension will begin negotiating in six to nine months. 47 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: The PAC twelve is burning and the guy that struck 48 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: the match shouldn't be paid to stick around and watch 49 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: it burn. And he also and Larry Scott went on 50 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: to say that we have recently been out in the 51 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: market and talked to private equity. I know we're sitting 52 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: on a huge amount amount of untapped value at the 53 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: moment and we're gonna realize it in our next TV 54 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: deal and be able to slice and dice our rights 55 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: and reformat to the new business models. Yeah, he said 56 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: that he has unfinished business as it relates to that. 57 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: And here are the numbers. The ESPN and Fox pay 58 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve around five around two D seventy five 59 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: million dollars combined each year. And that's the deal, but 60 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: the conference has the PAC twelve networks, but the conference 61 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: doesn't have any rights with any other media companies, which 62 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: means that the Pack twelve, which we've discussed at length, 63 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: eighteen million homes. So, Ralph, when you hear that, what's 64 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: your reaction, Well, that's a lot of information, But I 65 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: would say that there's some good news in there, right, 66 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: I mean, what's that Larry Scott is going to try 67 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: and negotiate his own extension. How is that good news? 68 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: He's he's a he's an arsonist to the conference, right, 69 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: but he's also the world's worst negotiator. So if he's 70 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: in if he's in charge of trying to get his 71 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: own extension, there's no way it ever gets done. Well, 72 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: he did it before, why can't he do it again? 73 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know. I would say 74 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 1: that if you told me that Larry Scott's ultimate goal 75 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: was to negotiate an extension, then all I would hear 76 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: in that sentence is Larry Scott and negotiate, And I 77 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: in my immediate thought is no way, no way whatever 78 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: that is gets done. Remember remember when he was doing 79 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: zoom calls from his own office, but he said that 80 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: like he had lost it to his kids, who had 81 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: made it their video game room. The man couldn't even 82 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: negotiate his own workspace during quarantine. He I'm just I'm 83 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: looking for a positive spin on this. And if you 84 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: you're telling me that Larry Scott is going to be 85 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: in charge of getting himself a new deal, ah, I rejoice. 86 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: He did it before. And the other thing is, see 87 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: here is the biggest problem is for me, it would 88 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: be so inevitable, unbelievably stupid for school presidents and chancellors 89 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: to bring Larry Scott back his Pack twelve commissioner. The prestige, visibility, revenues, 90 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: and overall competitiveness in football, which is clearly the most 91 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: important thing, has fallen to the last of the Power five, 92 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: and all of this is impacting the Pack twelves ability 93 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: to make the playoff to win national championships. In recruiting, 94 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: he Larry Scott, Larry Michael Scott has been a grifter 95 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: and a thief to the conference. He feeds as ship 96 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: talking points that nobody believes, and he tells us that 97 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: it's sugar, that's what he does. And and and the 98 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: fact that you know everybody is sitting here calling him out. 99 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: But people are just consistent, but he just I don't 100 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: there's no way he can ignore this, right, Like he 101 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: has to hear the noise, he has to write, yeah, 102 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: but then he'll just going get a noise consultant like it. 103 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: There he sleeps very comfortably on a bed that was 104 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: paid for with his inflated salary in a home, and 105 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: he has a loan that he hasn't paid back yet, 106 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: like he's I'm I don't think that he is all 107 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: that worried. He knew that he didn't have the capability 108 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: to do what everybody else was doing when he took 109 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: this job. You think you think he didn't you you 110 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: don't tell me what when he left Tennis that he 111 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: wasn't sitting there like all right, No, I'm telling you 112 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill it at this. I'm gonna kill him 113 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: with this one. I know what I'm doing. I helped 114 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: Tennis get more money, negotiate better deals. This should be simple. 115 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: I've done it before. I can do it again. No, 116 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: I don't think so, because there are people out there 117 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: who just like it's the the sixth sense thing, Like 118 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: I I see dead people and they don't know that 119 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: they're dead. There are people out there who who do 120 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: not accept their lot in life. They do not accept 121 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: their fate, They do not accept the fruits of their labor. 122 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: There are guys like Hugh Jackson who are surprised that 123 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: they went one and thirty one and got fired. Right. 124 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that Larry Scott is surprised. I think 125 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: that there's an understanding that he is underperforming in relation 126 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: to everybody else, and his expertise is to be able 127 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: to put positive spin on anything. He would have been 128 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: perfect to work in politics. But as long as those 129 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: checks clear, then what he's doing is working. He's a 130 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: You can't be a spin artist and not understand that 131 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: you're spinning. He absolutely knows that he is trashed at 132 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: this job. He knows it because you I don't think 133 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: he knows, dude. Like he's the same guy that said 134 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: to Kanzano when Kanzano asked him about officiating, he said, well, 135 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: I'll accept any criticism except for this one. This is 136 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: just totally unfounded that nobody has confidence in the officials. Like, bro, 137 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Right? I don't know. Maybe 138 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: maybe there's just one little chink in his armor. Right 139 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: there as far as him being able to get emotional 140 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: about one thing specifically that he has direct control over. 141 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is this is a 142 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: guy who can take any situation, turn around and repackage 143 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: it and redeliver it in a way that he personally 144 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: feels is palatable to the audience that he's delivering it. 145 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: To the fact that there's not ten John Kanzano's or 146 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: ten George rice SER's is just the advantage of the 147 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: las A Fair media market that we're in that he 148 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: doesn't face the intense level of pressure that he might 149 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: in some other market. And I think that he knows that, 150 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, he can't cover that Ken Warren for so 151 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: of the heat that Larry Scott takes. We know Commissioner 152 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Warren from the Big Tent is taken a lot, 153 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to going to go play. What 154 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: percentage do you think of what Kevin Warren has taken? 155 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: Do you think that Larry Scott gets none? Like what five? 156 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: It's he doesn't He doesn't have to answer. And now 157 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: he's positioned himself to where any hard football questions go 158 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: through Merton Hanks, right, So he has insulated himself from criticism. 159 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: He knows what the criticism is. He understands the bottom 160 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: line versus what everybody else. It's the same criticisms over 161 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: and over and over again. He absolutely reads his press clippings. 162 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: Nobody who is obsessed is obsessed with pr as that 163 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: and is would not understand what the temperature of the 164 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: room that he's in is. But the issue is, you 165 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: don't really go against the guy that signs your paychecks. 166 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: So unless somebody from inside the pack twelve is going 167 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: to speak out about the level of an aptitude relative 168 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: to what's going on in other parts of the country, 169 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: then he's going to have a situation where a bunch 170 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: of people are are all, you know, fanning him and 171 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: feeding him grapes. And that's that's the situation you create 172 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: with your He's insulated. He knows he's not doing a 173 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: good job, but as long as the people around him 174 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: are willing to be fluffers, he'll take it. He likes 175 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: being comfortable, he likes being in the position that he's in, 176 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: and as long as he can continue to get away 177 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: with it, he will. I'm telling you, this man is 178 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: a snake from New York City. He found himself a 179 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: hole where a lot of prey walks by, and he 180 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: stays well fed. He knows exactly what he's doing. He 181 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: might speak um with a kind affect, but he is 182 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: absolutely aware of the fact that relative to everybody else, 183 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: he is doing terrible. Attendance is suffering, Viewership is suffering, 184 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: revenue is suffering. Schools are losing sports. UH, they're not 185 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: being able to keep their coaches. Um. He has embarrassing UH. 186 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: Negotiation failure after negotiation failure. He's aware of all those things. 187 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: He's just also aware that it doesn't matter, because if 188 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: there's not going to be accountability, then you can stretch 189 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: your legs and get comfortable in your own mess. Yeah. Okay, 190 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: so but why is this an emergency episode? The reason 191 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: why is because the SEC they announced a new ten 192 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: year agreement that runs parallel with the separate existing twenty 193 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: year agreement. So it's not a thirty year agreement. It's 194 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: just it's another deal on top of the deal that 195 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: they have already that runs through twenty three to twenty 196 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: thirty four. So what this means is that the uh 197 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: CBS has the SEC game of the week, the biggest 198 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: game in the SEC. No problem, right, So the that 199 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: game is going away in So ESPN now is going 200 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: to get the SEC game of the week. So what 201 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: does that mean That game of the week is going 202 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: to be on ABC not just ESPN because because you 203 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: gotta remember, when ESPN buys the rights, ABC also gets it. 204 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: It's a they're they're the same company, They're both owned 205 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: by the mouse. So the SEC is going to get 206 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: the ABC games. That means Kirk herb Street or whoever 207 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: else is gonna be on these games all the time. 208 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: And now ESPN is now incentivized for game data always 209 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: be at these places to all ways talk about them. 210 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: They on the SEC network. This is a this is 211 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: a monopoly on college football that is happening. And so 212 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: what that means for the PAC twelve is, Okay, when 213 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: is the PAC twelve going to be on ABC when 214 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: if you're not in that four thirty times slot which 215 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: could only be dominated by SEC teams now because they're 216 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: paying the SEC and additional not not because remember I 217 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: just said the PAC twelve is getting a combined two 218 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five million dollars from ESPN and Fox 219 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: together per year. The the SEC is getting an additional 220 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars on top of the deal that 221 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: they already had that was bigger than the PAC twelves 222 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: already three hundred million dollars per year on top So 223 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: when Larry Scott tells you, or anybody from the PAC 224 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: twelve tells you that, oh, we needed to wait until 225 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: the media rights expire in I've been calling this from 226 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast, Ralph. I've owned businesses. When 227 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: you have a bad deal that's bad for everybody, you 228 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: can get out of it. Look at look at the 229 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: same way as if you own a house and you 230 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: can no longer afford it because you lost your job 231 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: or COVID or whatever else. There is a way out. 232 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: You can get out of it the way the debt doesn't. 233 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: You may still have to pay, there may have to 234 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: be some concessions that you have to make, but there 235 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: is a way out. And in that case you But 236 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: in the media rights case, you can find a deal 237 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: that works for everybody. Because the Pack twelve networks aren't 238 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: making money, they're hemorrhaging money. So if you actually find 239 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: a way to get the people who own the rights 240 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: to make money, you're not gonna owe them anything. They're 241 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh God, thank you, we appreciate it, dude, 242 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: because we were hemorrhage in cash over here, and then 243 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: you could have kept your inflated salary. So this is 244 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: uh depth depth coom one is the highest? Right? Or 245 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: is five the highest? The highest? I think it's five. 246 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. Higher seems worse hurricanes, dude, what whatever 247 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: it is? This is it? Because the Pack twelve, now, Ralph, 248 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: where can the Pack twelve go for to find a home? 249 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: Because remember Fox owns half of the Big ten, So 250 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: where are they supposed to go? Now? Well, I mean 251 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: the the logical choice would be to find a way 252 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: to fill the void left by the SEC moving away 253 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: from CBS exactly. And that starts in because in the 254 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: PAC twelve is basically done with the with ESPN unless 255 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: they only give them. The only windows that are gonna 256 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: be available are those Pack twelve after dark. That they're 257 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: the throwaway times, the only time slots that are gonna 258 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: be available, because the SEC is gonna be playing in 259 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: the morning through the morning through the afternoon. There of 260 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: course they're gonna put some other matchups on, so yeah, 261 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: you'll get a game here or there, but it's not 262 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: gonna be in any premium time slots. I I just can't, Ralph, 263 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: I just cannot understand how you've boxed yourself in the corner. 264 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: And now they're left with CBS, which is not a 265 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: bad deal, but CBS knows that you're the only thing 266 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: that they have. And I promise you, and I promise 267 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: you that the Big twelve is trying to find a 268 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: way in, in in there, in the back door that 269 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: they are find wherever the Pack twelve thinks it wants 270 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: to go in. All the slots are gonna be filled, 271 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: and the Pack twelve is gonna be like Jameis Winston. Uh, 272 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: this year, all the starting spots were filled because they 273 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: drafted new guys, free agents had signed, and now you're 274 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: left backing up Drew Brees. And then when it's your turn, 275 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: they actually put Taysom Hill in and stay because they 276 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: promised him that the year before. Yeah. Look, I I 277 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: feel like I picked the loser, Ralph. I feel like 278 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: I picked the loser. I I don't even know what 279 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: to like. How does this even make sense? Like? How 280 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: can you be this freaking incompetent? The conference needs an 281 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: aggressive advocate that understands the future as well as the present. 282 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: You can't just wait for an unknown to t to 283 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 1: come in and save you from yourself when you caused 284 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: the damage, because your next potential mate is going to 285 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: be dealing with you, the damage causer. And so you know, 286 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: Larry Scott thinking that this conference is going to grow 287 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: by leaps and bounds, you know, above and beyond to 288 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: the next dimension with him who has done nothing, uh 289 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: but stunt the inevitable progress of all college football that 290 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: was open to all college football conferences. And this is 291 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: the thing that drives me the most nuts, and that 292 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: we've got into a bunch on this show in particular, 293 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: is that people like a s U president Michael Crow, 294 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: who are part of that installation and part of that 295 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: protection for guys like Larry Scott, they say, well, we 296 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: used to have a little, Now we have a lot, 297 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: but everybody else has a lot more. That was inevitable. 298 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: Bowl That's like you being in your home and the 299 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: property values all around you are all going up, so 300 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: yours goes up as well. But you don't maintain your house, 301 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: so your house is junk, and the property value has 302 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: gone up, and everybody else's property values have skyrocketed because 303 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: They all maintained, we're the junk house right now. And 304 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: the tenant, the person in charge, the landlord, the one 305 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: is that is in charge of maintenance, has been in 306 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: the way from the very beginning. He had a vision 307 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: for this conference. It did not work, it was questioned 308 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: at the time. He pushed back against those questions, and 309 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: the people who cash the checks that he handed them, 310 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: because they were more than the checks that they usually got, 311 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: never spoke up. People will not bite the hand that feeds. 312 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: They just won't. It's not in us. People get comfortable. 313 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: They don't want to rock the boat, especially when it's 314 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: a nicer boat than they used to be in and 315 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: and the university presidents bear the brunt of the blame 316 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: for not demanding some type of equity, and they themselves 317 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: bear the brunt of the blame for also not understanding 318 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: how to shepherd their own resources uh and and cater 319 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: to their own fan bases. And and while they bow 320 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: to the God of television, even though it's not a 321 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: faithful a faithful god in this case, that would be 322 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: actually giving them much greater returns, with much greater availability. 323 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: They have given the keys to the kingdom over to 324 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: Larry Scott in favor of being put on a television 325 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: network that nobody watches, that nobody can get access to, 326 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: all at the cost of alienating their fan bases and 327 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: taking away the traditions that they once had, which has 328 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: led to a precipitous decrease in attention across the conference. 329 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: Everybody shares a little bit of the blame here, but 330 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: your base level fan just wants access to the game 331 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: and and wants to know what to expect when game 332 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: day comes. And they can get what to expect through 333 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: a decent media base, which you know, the availability of 334 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: the conference caters to whether or not you're gonna have 335 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: good media throughout the conference. Um. And then also just 336 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: basic traditions, and you can't have traditions without a set time. 337 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: And nobody has a set time because their games are 338 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: getting thrown on Thursdays and Fridays and Saturdays nine am 339 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: and Saturday at ten pm. It's all one giant mess. 340 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: It has not really served anybody except that people look 341 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: around and see the property value increase and say, he 342 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: did a good job. Oh, and they guess what else? 343 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: This lets you know how stupid this fool is. The 344 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: Actually he's he's not stupid, he's incompetent. He's incompetent. Or 345 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: either he's incompetent or he's a thief, maybe both. Here 346 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: is the the SEC is not even going to play 347 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: on Friday nights, Ralph, They're not gonna play on Friday nights. 348 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: So why did you have to play on Friday nights? 349 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: Oh well, it's an available window. F an available window. 350 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: And you nobody wants to watch football college football on 351 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: a Friday night of a big conference, right right. And 352 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: then you know, you got bars in Poughkeepsie and Jacksonville 353 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: and Hanover Main and all these random places that have 354 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: their televisions on because they're always on, And then you 355 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: claim that as a ratings victory. It's not about ratings. 356 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: It's about engagement. It's about availability. It's about making sure 357 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: that the fan bases, the actual supporters, have access. And 358 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: I'm sick and tired of not just this conference, but 359 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: everybody within this and the individual schools do this too. 360 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: It Let's say that they have something that they want 361 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: to leak to the media. They almost always go to 362 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: national source like ESPN or Sports Illustrated. They don't go 363 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: through the local media. The one who takes care of 364 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: the local fans. Everybody is obsessed with being some huge 365 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: national brand and they believe in building from the outside in. 366 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: That does not work. You don't become what you project. 367 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: You don't become what you project. You are what you are, 368 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: and that truth gets projected. You build from the inside, 369 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: You build a strong foundation, You take care of your fans, 370 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: you take care of your alumni, you take care of 371 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: your media members. You make sure that you build from within, 372 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: and then when you start having success, that's gonna get 373 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: noticed nationally. That's what programs like Alabama did, That's what 374 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: Iowa State is doing right now. But no, the PAC 375 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: twelve seems to think that if we strike a deal 376 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: for random highlights three days after the fact with the 377 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: red Box Live television, that that's gonna trick somebody into 378 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: thinking that we can run with the big boys. What 379 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: the what is red Box TV live anyway? If nobody 380 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: has If a tree falls in the forest and nobody's 381 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: there to hear it, did it really make a sound? 382 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 1: It may have made a sound, but nobody cared on 383 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: Redwood Live TV. So so that Oh but but here 384 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: is the worst part of it. After all of these 385 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: things that we have highlighted. Oh and and then hold up, 386 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: let's not forget about the eight people that he laid 387 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: off after collecting and early, after paying early bonuses to 388 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: all the six figure people and seven figure people, after 389 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: making those people live in the most expensive city in 390 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: the world so that he could overpay on rent. Yeah, 391 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve has paid enough rent to buy the 392 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: building that they are renting. They have a loan, which 393 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: there are other tenants in. They alone have paid enough 394 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: rent that they could have bought the building. All right, 395 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: and then you would at least have a freaking asset. Morons, man, 396 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: he's making five point four million dollars. Granted, some of 397 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: these numbers are a little bit different because some people 398 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: have taken pay cuts. He's actually down to four point 399 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: six million after twelve percent pay cut. But whatever. Kevin 400 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: warrens Kevin Warren from the Big ten before the pay cut, 401 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: four and a half famillion. His conference only has the 402 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: best ratings, the most important conference into all of the 403 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: all of college football, and they make the most money. Huh, 404 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: He's getting paid four and a half million. That sounds 405 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: about right. Uh. Bob Bowsley from the Big twelve four million, 406 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: John Swofford from the a C A C C three 407 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: point eight million, Greg sanky Hi, the team that the 408 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: one that wins the most, the one who negotiated the 409 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: biggest deal, well, a new deal while he already had 410 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: a deal, I like two point six million. Make it 411 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: makes sense, Ralph, make it makes sense even and it 412 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: feels like it feels like being gas lit all the 413 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: time because it seems like basic logic. But the university 414 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: presidents and athletic correctors don't do anything. They don't do 415 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: anything they are gonna slap in the face though of course, 416 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: an athletic director will drum up twelve million dollars of 417 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: don't her money to fire a coach for going seven 418 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: and six, but they won't speak up about the conference 419 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: being the bottom of the Power five and consistently being 420 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: embarrassed in the media. Like an athletic director's entire job 421 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: is to gauge competitiveness slash have a vision for excellence. 422 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: So are you telling me that they're blind to what's 423 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: going on in this conference. They can't be. They have 424 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: to be ignoring it on purpose. And so you get 425 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: to the point where you're like, burn it down, throw 426 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: out everybody who enabled this. I just don't understand. Can't 427 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: Can you break this down for me? If all of 428 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: these things that we said they are true. The schools, 429 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: the athletic directors, everybody into school, they're trying to fund raise, 430 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: make money, generate revenue the way then they can recruit 431 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: better um, have better facilities, pay coaches more. Like they're 432 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: trying to do all of these things at the same 433 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: time that none of what they're doing even matters, unless, well, 434 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: none of what they're doing matters because Larry Scott is 435 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: working against them. When you are have a national brands 436 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: like you do, and they're being hurt because the ESPN 437 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: when you look at their game day shows, oh, the 438 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: pack twelves out of it. Uh, college football shows get 439 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: Pack twelve doesn't have a chance. Maybe or again USC Washington, 440 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: if they run the table and they're impressive and lightning 441 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: strikes twice, then maybe they can get into the playoffs. 442 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: And those are the three biggest brands in the pack twelve. 443 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: You see a two, but they haven't been up to 444 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: that level. But how crazy is that that you are 445 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: written off because you are not available, like you're not 446 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: staying in front of people's faces. So all this good 447 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: work that Jill Cohen, that all these other wonderful athletic 448 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: directors are doing to help their programs is all for 449 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: not You are the person who is you have a 450 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: giant hole in your boat, but you're using a bucket 451 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: to try to like, like to bail water out, and 452 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: the water is coming in faster like and you're trying 453 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: to bail it out. There's no you're working against yourself. 454 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I feel 455 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: like this is all stuff we've said over and over 456 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: and over again, and I mean you get to the 457 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: point where you say it so often and nothing changes 458 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,239 Speaker 1: that you start to wonder, like, am I wrong? Is 459 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: making less money actually better? Is being less available actually better? 460 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: Is being a freaking secret society? Like is down? Up? 461 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: Is up? Down? I don't know anymore? No, I I 462 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: know I see it. Um All right, So we just 463 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: found out as well, Washington versus Oregon is canceled. Okay, 464 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: another Pack twelve game canceled? Is what it is? What 465 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: it is, but that that's not the important part. The 466 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: important part is how this is them then impacted the 467 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: college well, the PAC twelve championship games. So Arizona State 468 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: versus Arizona is tomorrow, so that game right now appears 469 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: to be still on right I guess so unless you know. 470 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: The rumors that are floating around seem to have something 471 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: to do with Arizona not being able to meet COVID protocols, 472 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: but I haven't heard anything coming out of Arizona. You'd 473 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: be more likely to have this game canceled from Arizona 474 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: State having to kick so many players off the team 475 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: for fist fighting each other at at this point, as 476 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: they just booted another player, Elijah warez Um, all from 477 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: the same high school. By the way, this is becoming 478 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: quite the interesting trend at a s U. But I 479 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: haven't heard anything that related to COVID. This game is 480 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: supposed to kick off in less than twenty four hours 481 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: from when we're recording this on Thursday night, so I 482 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: think this game is happening. But if it doesn't happen, 483 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: it would be interesting to see what the Pac twelve 484 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: scrambled and tried to do. And if that game can't happen, 485 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: both teams may finish the season undefeated, which is wild 486 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: um okay, so here the pack the opposite of undefeated. 487 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, defeated, defeated. Okay, so Washington and Oregon got 488 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: got canceled. Sad news, but okay, So here's how this 489 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: impacts the PAC twelve Championship. Uh, according to what we've 490 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: been here, ring Washington is now is I think they're 491 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: in King County, that their local CDC Health Department guidelines 492 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: have them out now for fourteen days, that they're not 493 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: gonna be able to pick up for fourteen days, which 494 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: means that they're out for next week's Pack twelve Championship game, 495 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: which they would have back doored in by not playing 496 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: Oregon because the winner would have gone to the Pack 497 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: twelve Championship. But now uh, Washington can't play, so they 498 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: would have gone, but they may get knocked out next 499 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: week too. So what that means is is that if Oregon, 500 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: that means that Oregon would then represent the North in 501 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve Championship against either USC or Colorado if one. 502 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: If they both win this weekend, it'll be USC because USC, 503 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: even though they're both even though they both will be 504 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: five and oh, USC would have five if packed twelve 505 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: games one as opposed to Colorado, who would have four 506 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: pack twelve games one plus a game against San Diego State, 507 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: which then even though the other teams canceled on them, 508 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: it's not their fault, and USC canceled on Colorado. But 509 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: then USC would get to go to the Pack twelve championship. 510 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: But if U c l A loses, If USC loses 511 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: to U c l A, which I predicted correctly, um 512 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: as we will see then and Colorado beat Utah, then 513 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: Colorado goes to go play Oregon. Other thing is is 514 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: if for some reason, um two more Pack twelve games 515 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: are canceled and USC and Colorado win, then that would 516 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 1: mean that three Pack twelve games this week are canceled, 517 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: and that would change the minimum number of games and 518 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: all of this stuff, which creates another tiebreaker, which would 519 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: then put USC versus Colorado in the Pack to of 520 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: championship game. Did you follow all that, Ralph, No, absolutely not, No, 521 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,479 Speaker 1: I did not. I think that it's all a bit 522 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: too much, too complicated. There's too much going on. I 523 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: can't believe we're even at this point in the season, 524 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: and I feel blessed to have watched and covered so 525 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: many games. However, this mess was created by trying to 526 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: have a season in the middle of the pandemic, and 527 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: I guess we deserved all of the confusion that we're 528 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: getting as it comes along with these different scenarios. I 529 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: would say that the thing that makes the most sense, 530 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: with Oregon having lost twice in Washington possibly not being 531 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: able to play for the next couple of weeks, USC 532 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: and Oregon should just play the games they have this 533 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: Friday and then line up and play each other next week. Anyway, 534 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: throw the entire idea of a conference championship out because 535 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: there is no truth. But how do you pick? Yeah, 536 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: but how do you pick who goes to the fiesta? Bo? 537 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: Then Ralph? How do you do that? Uh? The game? 538 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: Whoever win between whoever played the most games and won 539 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: the most games. That's fair to me. Um, okay, So 540 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: regardless of outcome, regardless of outcome, line USC in Colorado 541 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: up next week to see who goes. Okay, But why 542 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: why is that when you have other Pack twelve teams 543 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: who have won three games, and uh, Colorado would only 544 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: have won three games too in the Pac twelve. Well 545 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: actually no, no, they would have won four after this 546 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: weekend because they would have only lost one. Okay, Um, 547 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: there is here's the here's the other part of it. 548 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: If that wasn't confusing enough, people have said, all right, well, 549 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: instead of since the PAC twelve is not going to 550 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: the championship game anyway, why doesn't the PAC twelve just 551 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: play their championship game the week after which so instead 552 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: of playing the week of the nine, that well, that 553 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: they moved the PACK twelve championship back and then Washington 554 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: can play that would be the day after Christmas. The 555 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: only problem with that is that the Fiesta Bowl is 556 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: like less than a week away from there. But but anyways, 557 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: but the other problem is that the pactwell, if you 558 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: move the PAC twelve championship game back, the owner of 559 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: the game, Fox, who has so much time money invested 560 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: into it, because remember they have to get announcers ready, 561 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: they have to send people there, all of this stuff 562 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: that they have to be the ones to agree to it. 563 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: So now Larry Scott's gotta talk to media people who 564 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: he can't get good deals with about moving the championship game. Okay, 565 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you take that, bro, take it where taken. 566 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this information. 567 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, Ralph, I don't know, brother, Why do 568 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: we just do we just did this episode just to 569 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: make people upset. No, we we did it to spread 570 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: the truth. Brother, to spread the truth. Well, I mean yeah, 571 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: I guess if if if we can get everybody on 572 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: board and all moving in the same direction like the 573 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: sardines and finding Nemo, then maybe we can break this 574 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: whole net down. But I don't know, man, I don't 575 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: know this. This conference is a it's a mess right now. 576 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: We're in the middle of a year that probably shouldn't 577 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: have happened, and it only happened because the Pack twelve 578 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: behind the the facade of medical breakthroughs, decided to follow 579 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: the Big ten in and out of the season instead 580 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: of standing their ground at any point on things that 581 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: they believed to be the best situation for everybody involved. 582 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: There was no leadership, only following, and that's why we're 583 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: in the place that we're in right now. I mean, 584 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: what what would you do? Put you in charge of 585 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: the conference? Put you in charge of the conference? You 586 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: have one week you're an interim commissioner before you hand 587 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: it off to somebody else. What changes do you make? 588 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: First thing I'm doing it? Well, if I'm the interim commissioner, 589 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: is gonna be hard for me to negotiate. I do 590 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: I have the ability to negotiate a deal, a TV deal. 591 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: I mean, if you can do it, and if you 592 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: can do it, and if can get the ball rolling 593 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: in seven days. Okay. So the the first thing, the 594 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: first order of business that I would do is I 595 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: would fire the head of officiating. I would find a 596 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: person who's qualified at this minimum two decades experience like 597 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: the other conferences. That's the first sing second thing is 598 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: I would hire a a forward facing I would find 599 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: somebody from Facebook, from freaking Google, some engineer, smart person 600 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: that's gonna either that's gonna create me like some sort 601 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: of tie in with Facebook, some sort of tie in 602 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: with somebody where I am everywhere, I mean annoyingly everywhere where. 603 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: You're just like, damn, the Pact twelve is everywhere. These fools, 604 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: they're annoying. But I see him though I see them. 605 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean as much as people that have they love 606 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump or hate Donald Trump, whatever it is. He's 607 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: everywhere and you cannot ignore him because he's everywhere. You 608 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: can turn off your TV. You'll find him on Twitter, 609 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: turn off Twitter. You'll find him on Facebook. Turn off Facebook. 610 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: You'll find him in the text message or I mean, 611 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 1: he's everywhere, and that's the way the PAC twelve needs 612 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: to be. So those are the first two things that 613 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: I would do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then I would 614 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: start looking for a capable replacement for me since I 615 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: am the interim. Or I might just Larry Larry's got 616 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: it up and just say all right, look, look, look man, 617 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick up about twenty meal here. Uh let 618 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: me let let me sit here and see see if 619 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: I can suck it up even better than him. Yeah, 620 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm I'm yeah, I mean that he 621 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't even have that good of a propaganda arm. 622 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: And so, uh, you know, if if if I was 623 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: running things, I would certainly invest into into that side 624 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: of things. Um, I wouldn't make it a secret. I 625 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't try to have a friendly um media relationship with 626 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: somebody at the l A times where I was trying 627 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: to give them scoops like that whole thing was shady 628 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,280 Speaker 1: as hell and it's amazing they didn't it fired for 629 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: trying that in the first place. Um, And we just 630 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: sort of let that whole scandal fade away because the media, 631 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: especially the l a times wasn't gonna spend too much 632 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: time reporting on their own stupid scandal, so that whole 633 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: thing just faded away. But I would I would not 634 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: um hide the fact that I was looking for content 635 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: creators to come on board, and I'd be funding one 636 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: of these TikTok houses. Like I would make sure that 637 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve, even if it was through self deprecation, 638 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 1: was constantly available on free forms of social media at 639 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: all times. That usc hype video that they just made, 640 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: That's the type of stuff I would be doing daily. Yeah, 641 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: if it was just to be able to spread the message. 642 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: And then I would I would reach out to like 643 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: you said, Facebook, Yahoo, whoever it is, and I would say, 644 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: you have two years. You have two years. We are 645 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: disbanding the Pack twelve network. Um, we'll we'll cut it 646 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: down to maybe one channel where we air the top 647 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: matchups for non revenue generating sports. Um, but you have 648 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: two years to broadcast our product for free, the stuff 649 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: that would have been on PAC twelve network. We will 650 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: even least to you for free the equipment that we 651 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: were using to broadcast the stuff in order to make 652 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: it happen, to make it an investment worth your while 653 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: you go out and sell ads against it. You make 654 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: money off us for two years to get us back 655 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: in front of more than the eighteen million households that 656 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve network is in front of. See, I'm 657 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,959 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna need to split that revenue a little 658 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: bit with you know, I agree with you completely, but 659 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: I do need to split some of that revenue up 660 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: here with you know, because if you're successful, assuming assuming 661 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: they get it, assuming they get it. So if you're 662 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: if you're saying a percentage of what they would actually 663 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: go out to collect, but it's for us, if they 664 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: just wanted to run it at a at a break even, 665 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: then I'm good because what I need to be right 666 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 1: now is I need to be seen. Yep. And and 667 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: then here's the thing that people would might miss with 668 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 1: that is with the TikTok houses all of that stuff. 669 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: If you do that, you're gonna make the schools that 670 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: much cooler. That means more people want to go to 671 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: these schools. They're proud of it, they're flaunting it that 672 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: they got clout with it. That then translates into recruiting. 673 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: Recruiting leads to recruiting leads two winds leads to money. 674 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: And when you add that with visibility, name, image, likeness, bro, 675 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: you you have a shot. But my fear is though 676 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: that the PAC twelve has fallen so far behind and 677 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: I've picked the loser. Dude, I am nervous. And then 678 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: the last thing is before we get out of here, 679 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: is let's say that things keep on the trajectory that 680 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: they are. You know what dan happens? Right? If the 681 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: PAC twelve keeps falling where it's going, what are USC Oregon, 682 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: maybe U C l A, maybe Washington? What are what 683 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: are they going to do? I mean leave what yep? 684 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: What form their own? See? That's this is the one 685 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: thing that I don't have a solid understanding of is 686 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: how long a particular schools affiliation with a conference is 687 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 1: in play? Is it a contract? Uh? Now that I'm 688 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: not sure. I'm gonna ask Wilner tonight when I interview him. Um, 689 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask him about that, because that's a legitimate question. 690 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: Because we've heard Arizona and you and Arizona State rumors 691 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: to the Big twelve for what five years now? Nothing 692 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: is ever really come of it, and I don't know 693 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,320 Speaker 1: how serious it was ever looked upon in the first place. 694 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: But I don't actually know what these what these particular affiliations, 695 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: like how they're negotiated, like if anybody within the conference 696 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: is coming up for any type of renewal. I also 697 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, when Texas was talking about leaving 698 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, I don't know if that was based 699 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: on a certain amount of time that they were supposed 700 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 1: to be or if it was based on like having 701 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: a guaranteed spot elsewhere that you're able to just make 702 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: the jump. Yeah, that that's a legitimate question. I am. 703 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that the conference is 704 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: in a good spot. The conference is in a good spot. 705 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: And but those schools, if the if the those schools 706 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: are gonna be willing to leave, whether that's to go 707 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:51,839 Speaker 1: be an independent or go um join another conference. Because 708 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: the one school that for sure could go be an 709 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: independent if they wanted to, as USC they could because 710 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: they having a brand, power and historical recognition all of 711 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: those things. And the others could jump jump ship they could, 712 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 1: and then there's the possibility of that sixty four team conference. 713 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: But the SEC why would you want to do why 714 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: would you want to do that? You got a monopoly 715 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 1: on what you're doing already. You don't need to change anything. 716 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: You don't need to play nine conference games, you don't 717 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: need to do anything. You are perfectly fine as you 718 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: are because you've been waiting for so much. Forget what 719 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: go broke, it's it's Disney of all places, that is 720 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 1: UH dropping a few billion dollars on the table um 721 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 1: to put the SEC alongside their lineup of endless, Marvel 722 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: and Pixar and Star Wars stuff. So I mean the 723 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,240 Speaker 1: there there's money there to to to broadcast these games. 724 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: You know, Stephen A. Smith is getting his own show 725 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,919 Speaker 1: on ESPN. Plus there's money to be had, There's money 726 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: to be made, and and all that came from all 727 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: the SEC had to do over time was focus on 728 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: the culture of football within those communities. And that's what 729 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: made the biggest thing UH in the entire world. And 730 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,840 Speaker 1: some of the lesser populated cities in America have multibillion 731 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,840 Speaker 1: dollars sporting industries within them because those schools focused inward. 732 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 1: And that's what the PAC twelve needs to really do 733 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,479 Speaker 1: is spend time making sure that the fans in all 734 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: of these major markets that they have the privilege of 735 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,880 Speaker 1: being part of feel engaged, feel taken care of, and 736 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 1: feel like they're the priority. And then you won't be 737 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 1: having to write press releases about getting a deal with 738 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: Pacific Seafood because that won't even make the front page 739 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: of what you're about, because you're making three million dollar 740 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: deals with different networks to broadcast your games. YEP, I 741 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: totally agree with you, bro. All Right, you guys, this 742 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: has been an emergency episode of the pac twelve Apostles podcast. 743 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: Of course, we appreciate your time, I appreciate your energy. 744 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,719 Speaker 1: You of course send in your thoughts and make sure 745 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: to share peace out. Catch you guys next episode.