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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 2: facts behind your favorite TV shows, movies, music and more.

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Speaker 2: We are your two directors of Data. I am Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Jordan run Tug and Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Today we're talking about one of the high water marks

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Speaker 2: of both pop country and the late nineties record industry

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Speaker 2: writ large. We are talking about Shania Twains. Come on over.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the era of this thing's dominance, because

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Speaker 2: I sure do.

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Speaker 3: It was everywhere inescapable. It felt like several years. I

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Speaker 3: believe it was once we hit the chart history later.

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Speaker 3: I mean, to me, this was up there with the

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Speaker 3: Spice Girls in terms of songs that all my female

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Speaker 3: friends and like elementary school would sing around the playground

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Speaker 3: in large groups.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just was.

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Speaker 2: In like every entry school, like in middle and high school,

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Speaker 2: like cheerleading routine for a.

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Speaker 3: While, yeah, lipsync, lipsync events after school. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I Feel Like a Woman was a huge song.

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Speaker 3: I mean, especially the line you know the best part

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Speaker 3: about being a woman is the prerogative to have a

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Speaker 3: little fun. I feel like that was always a line

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Speaker 3: that got a little extra emphasis standing on the shoulders

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Speaker 3: of Cyndi Lauper. Maybe girls just want to have fun,

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Speaker 3: but still powerful. Nonetheless, revisiting this album, it's such a

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Speaker 3: huge reminder of this period when country was just gargantuan

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Speaker 3: in a way that I don't think it's quite the

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Speaker 3: same now. I mean, you had Garth, you have the

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Speaker 3: Dixie Chicks, you had Faith Hill, you had Riba, and

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously they are country crossover artists now, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything on the same scope.

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Speaker 1: I think it just became more balkanized.

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Speaker 2: Like I think at a certain point country decided it

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Speaker 2: largely like didn't need pop. Here's a steaming hot take.

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Speaker 2: I bet it was nine to eleven. I think all

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Speaker 2: the reactionary and like outsider elements of country music kind

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Speaker 2: of crystallized around that period of American jingoism, and you

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Speaker 2: got like.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe he was the Dixie Chicks versus Toby Keith

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Speaker 3: and the Bush thing that might have been the split.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then everyone was like, well, let's put the

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Speaker 2: walls back up, and I don't know, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: you're right, though, you get your like Casey Musgraves and

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Speaker 2: your Taylor Swifts.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Though. On the flip side, it's interesting to think of

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Speaker 3: the battles that Shania Twain fought for being a crossover artists,

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Speaker 3: because oh, she sure did. First, there was the garden

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Speaker 3: variety sexism for people who just sought to minimize her

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Speaker 3: because of the way she dressed, or tried to disparage

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Speaker 3: her accomplishments, despite the fact that she wrote or co

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Speaker 3: wrote like all of her songs basically. But there was

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Speaker 3: a lot of talk at the time about her being

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Speaker 3: too pop to be country or too country to be pop.

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Speaker 3: And you just look at the videos for that don't

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Speaker 3: impress me much. But that's not what a country video

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Speaker 3: looked like certainly then even now.

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Speaker 2: There was a marked lack of ten gallon hats, wrangler jeans,

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Speaker 2: headset mics. Yeah, I was gonna say, surely there are

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Speaker 2: other aesthetic touchstones of country music. Well, yeah, you started

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Speaker 2: talking about the versions of this, which I didn't even

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she released Come On Over in three different formats,

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Speaker 3: original country with like you know, fiddles up the wazoos

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Speaker 3: and spices. Yeah, a revised pop friendly version and then

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Speaker 3: an international club version, And I just I can't imagine

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift feeling moved to release different versions.

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Speaker 1: Of red era stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, I was gonna say, I think you want

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Speaker 3: No, stylistically though, I can't imagine her feeling the need

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Speaker 3: to make her same songs in different ways for different markets, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: that's just crazy to me. So I just really think

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Speaker 3: that Come On Over changed the whole conception of what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we're gonna take a closer look at this,

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Speaker 2: from the absolutely insane backstory of Shanaya to the reclusive

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Speaker 2: X metal super producer behind the boards for it, to

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Speaker 2: its truly mind boggling sales figures. Here is everything you

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Speaker 2: didn't know about Come On OVERO. I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: tell everyone that all of these outline headers are titled

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Speaker 2: with the punctuation for man I feel like a woman's.

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Speaker 2: This first one is man I Feel Canadian Shania Twain

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Speaker 2: real name Eileen Regina Edwards, had basically a childhood out

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Speaker 2: of a country song. Her parents divorced when she was

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Speaker 2: two and her mother, Sharon, subsequently remarried a gentleman from

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Speaker 2: the Ojibwa o Jibube named Jerry Twain, and Shania has

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Speaker 2: often referred to him as her father because, in her words,

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Speaker 2: Jerry went out of his way to raise three daughters

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Speaker 2: that weren't even his. For me to acknowledge another man

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Speaker 2: as my father, a man who is never there for

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Speaker 2: me as a father who wasn't the one who struggled

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Speaker 2: every day to put food on our table would have

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Speaker 2: hurt him terribly. We were a family, which is a

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Speaker 2: audible sentiment that in the pre internet fact checking days

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Speaker 2: wreaked havoc on the American music press and the US government.

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Speaker 2: Apparently I was reading about this. She I believe, is

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Speaker 2: considered a First Nations woman by the government because of Jerry.

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Speaker 2: She is on the official membership list of the Temagami

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Speaker 2: First Nation. She applied for immigration status into the US

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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one, and at that time, by virtue

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Speaker 2: and the rights guaranteed to Native Americans in the Jay

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Speaker 2: the US as having fifty percent Native American blood, so

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Speaker 2: Shania Twain, by bureaucracy, grandfathered into not being entirely white anyway.

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Speaker 3: So, on the topic of Shania and her confusing connection

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Speaker 3: took her stage name Shania from an ojibbewa word meaning

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Speaker 3: But you have a different take on this, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I found this article in the Omaha World Herald. Her

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Speaker 2: biographer Robin Egger contends that there is no word in

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Speaker 2: either Ojibiuwe or Cree that comes close to meaning on

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Speaker 2: my way, but it's just been repeated. He said that

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Speaker 2: there is a phrase in Ojibuwe that is ani ayaha,

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Speaker 2: which means someone on the way, that could possibly have

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Speaker 2: been misheard and transliterated as Shanaiah. But she's not saying,

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Speaker 2: if you're going to choose your name, chances are you'd

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Speaker 2: hear it more than once and not mishear it. Well,

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Speaker 2: speaking of Shanaiah mythology, that's really interesting but somewhat questionable.

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Speaker 2: Her great grandfather, when they were emigrating from Ireland to Canada,

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Speaker 2: a brand new, big old ship called the Titanic, and

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Speaker 2: he got down to the dock and according to family history,

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Speaker 1: That's the story.

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Speaker 3: was extremely undercapacity on its one and only voyage. So

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Speaker 3: this is maybe just a bit of Shania family lore,

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Speaker 3: but or there's just this guy didn't want to shell

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Speaker 3: but I really like this story that Shaneai's ancestors very

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Speaker 3: nearly booked on the Titanic. But man, she really had

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Speaker 3: a rough time from birth. In her memoir, she talks

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Speaker 3: operating table, and lit it for her by way of consolation,

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Speaker 3: I guess. But then then the baby started making noise

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Speaker 3: and Shaniah lived and now here we are, Here we

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Speaker 3: are Her whole life has been leading up to this

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Speaker 3: moment of us talking about her on this show.

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Speaker 2: That is a country song. If I've ever heard one,

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Speaker 2: You've been having secondhand smoop since the day I was born.

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Speaker 2: You'll get a few more of those coming up. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna sing a lot of country songs and they are

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Speaker 2: all verbally copyrighted. So Chad Atkins ghost, get in contact

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Speaker 2: with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Rough childhood continues. Things did not get better for young

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Speaker 2: Shanaiah No. Jerry and Sharon's marriage occasionally devolved into a violence.

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Speaker 2: At one point, Sharon took the kids to a shelter,

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Speaker 2: but she did eventually return. Her autobiography is littered with

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Speaker 2: these vivid descriptions of more country songs that she lived through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When Shanaia was eleven, she said that she whacked her

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Speaker 3: he was abusing her mother, and she wrote about this

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I mean it just gets so much worse.

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Speaker 3: Maybe won't dwell on this whole dickenzie in childhood. But

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Speaker 3: she also wrote that there were times when her adoptive

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Speaker 3: when times were tough or like tough financially, this sounds

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Speaker 3: like they were always tough. They often had nothing to

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Speaker 2: So yes again, beaver meat on drip.

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Speaker 1: Or it won't fill your stomach. Fool poor woman. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: By the age of eight, she was singing in bars

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Speaker 2: to supplement the family's income, finishing up as late.

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Speaker 1: As one in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Wow, an eight year old in a Canadian bar one

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Speaker 2: in the morning, Dickenzie doesn't cover it. An early taste

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Speaker 2: the CBC's Tommy Hunter Show at thirteen, and she fronted

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Speaker 2: a local covers band while she was in high school

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Speaker 2: I think, singing rock songs, which is funny because we'll

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Speaker 2: current rock. Another detail that I love is that she

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Speaker 2: worked for her I think Jerry's reforestation business in northern Ontario,

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Speaker 1: Don't question this is like Paul Bunyan's daughter.

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think she also learned how to like

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Speaker 3: track animals and like skin rabbits and stuff like. She

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Speaker 3: she could live off the grid. This this music thing

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Speaker 3: is just all gravy, like, don't she doesn't need any

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Speaker 1: Good Lord.

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Speaker 3: She's also apparently a beast at basketball, or at least

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Speaker 1: She said she was.

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Speaker 3: Only like five foot four, so she would get smothered

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Speaker 3: going into the box, but she could shoot three pointers

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Speaker 3: Lovin', which rips that I could see them doing an

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Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy nine's Highway to Hell remains their second highest

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Speaker 2: That would be nineteen eighties Back in Black, which is

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Speaker 1: Back in Black, Anyway, Highway to Hell, and Come On Highway.

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Speaker 2: one record Waking Up the Neighbors, and Lang has a

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Speaker 3: I literally didn't believe you when I read this in

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Speaker 1: I want to know? What is that worth?

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Speaker 3: That is right in keeping with Lang's wholemo. Come On

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Speaker 3: Born to Be Wild a magic carpentryde A guy by

438
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 3: the name of Larry Biram plays slide guitar on this record.

439
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: That's insane to me. Larry Byram folks, Wow, he contains multitudes.

440
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 3: Before we go any further, we just got to get

441
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: the crazy stats of this record come out over out

442
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: of the way right now, because it's completely insane. It

443
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 3: sold forty million copies worldwide, depending on how you're counting.

444
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 3: It's either the seventh or the ninth best selling album

445
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: of all time worldwide.

446
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: I think it's.

447
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: Tied with a Thriller. Thriller is still number one, and

448
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: then Back in Black is number two. Those points do

449
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: not seem to be argued. But Eagles Great No, Hotel

450
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: California is Waking Eagles Man, Damn Don Henley to Hell.

451
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: They have two entries on it. They have their greatest hits,

452
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 2: and Hotel California got a in the top ten or

453
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah Wow. Shanaya with Coming Over, Fleetwood, Mac with

454
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 2: Rumors and the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack are all tied

455
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: for seven to nine with claimed sales of forty million

456
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: copies worldwide.

457
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 3: So that's insane. It stayed on the Billboard charts for

458
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 3: two years. It's been recognized by Guinness as the biggest

459
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: selling studio album by a female solo artist. Is there

460
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 3: an live album by a woman that outseells it globally thought,

461
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: that's a weird.

462
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: Way to phrase that. That's a great question.

463
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: It's also the best selling album in the USA by

464
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: a solo female artist. Sorry, share, that is nuts. Interestingly,

465
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: for an album stature, there are not a lot of

466
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 3: specifics out there about the nitty gritty that went into

467
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: actually making it. As you mentioned earlier, Mutt has given

468
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 3: maybe two interviews in his entire life, and Shania probably

469
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 3: isn't interested in spending much time revisiting their partnership since

470
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: they split in two thousand and eight after Mutt had

471
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: an affair with Shanaia's best friend and secretary, a woman

472
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: by the name of Mary Ann Theobald.

473
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: Presoably no, she's Swedish. Ah, this whole thing is ridiculous.

474
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: We try not to do the gossip rag thing, but

475
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: this story is insane. This woman like they were friends

476
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: and an employee, and this woman just like ghosted Shanai.

477
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: She literally changed her phone number. Whoa I mean like

478
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: after like before she felt like after all this broke down,

479
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 2: she Shania tried to like confront her about it, like,

480
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: what are you doing. You're breaking in my marriage, you

481
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: stole my husband, and this woman was like Homer Simpson

482
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 2: retreating into the bush's gift. But it gets weirder.

483
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta take this, Oh my god. Yeah.

484
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: So on the first day of twenty eleven January first,

485
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: Shania Twain Mary's Frederick Thibodeaux Marie Anne's ex husband, so

486
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: they literally wife and husband swapped.

487
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: She said some stuff about in that Guardian interview.

488
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: She said, I don't think Mutt ever knew me, which

489
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: is sort of a weird thing to say about, you know,

490
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: the guy you were married to for decades.

491
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 1: But whatever.

492
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: Bizarrely enough, both of these couples still live in Switzerland,

493
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: which is not a big country, and presumably the millionaire's

494
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: row is not that big either, So like, do they

495
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: bump into each other at the rich persons store or

496
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: the island where they hunt people for sport?

497
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: I mean, here's a question that I'm ashamed for asking,

498
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: but I can't get it out of my mind, how

499
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: much do you think marrying that ex husband was done

500
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: out of spite?

501
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: So she says, I'm sure, let's ask.

502
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: I think she basically said like they were already friends

503
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: and essentially they just got closer or they were like

504
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: already friends and they just had like, oh, this is

505
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: even wilder. According to Country Thang Daily, which I regret,

506
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Twain found out through Frederick, who is married to Marianne,

507
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: that they were having an affair and he had phone bills,

508
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: hotel receipts, he had the whole case laid out. But yeah,

509
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: Marie cut off communication with Twain. They were emailing this

510
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: woman just never answered her. But yeah, I don't know, man,

511
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: they just like bonded over this misery and got together

512
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: wild man, literally a wife swap with some of the

513
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: richest people in country music who are now living in Switzerland. Anyway,

514
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: it's an eyes wise shot. I'd like to see eyes

515
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: wide Mutt as you meditate on that. We'll be right

516
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: back with more too much information after these messages. Once again,

517
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: three quarters of this album's tracks were released as single,

518
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: but I would just like to note that the one

519
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: we're not going to talk about from this moment on.

520
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: She originally envisioned Celine Dion singing it. She wrote it

521
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: during a soccer game that she was seeing with Mutt

522
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: in I think Italy. As she said, she was so

523
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: bored she just started writing the song in her head.

524
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: God lover.

525
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: And their initial choice for a duet partner was your

526
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: perennial favorite mister Elton John.

527
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Who actually was the duet partner on that?

528
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: Some random guy who I don't know, HM.

529
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: Didn't want to show out. You don't want to blow

530
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: his back in black Bucks on getting out on on that?

531
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: Now, let us talk about that. Don't impress me much, Jordan.

532
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: Yes, Younger listeners will probably not remember that. Before he

533
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: was caught breaking Jennifer Andison's heart with Angelina Jolie, brad

534
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: Pitt was in the news for a very different kind

535
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: of scandal, one that I actually have demitt I completely

536
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: forgot about too. He sued Playgirl magazine in nineteen ninety

537
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: seven over nude photos that the magazine published that he

538
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: alleged were illegally taken by a trespassing paparazzi member paparazzo

539
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: while he was vacationing with his then girlfriend Gwyneth Paltrow

540
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: in the West Indies in nineteen ninety five. Brad won

541
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: that case, and the judge issued a restraining order against

542
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: Playgirl magazine, preventing it from shipping any more copies of

543
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: that issue with the offending photos in it, and eventually

544
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: ordered Playgirl to recall all of the issues altogether.

545
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: With that photo anyway.

546
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: So this whole kerfuffle stuck with Shanayah, who I guess,

547
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: as you so indelibly put, it was just not that

548
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: impressed with the news. So that's why she stuck Brad

549
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: Pitt's name and her song that don't impress me much.

550
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: I think she said she wasn't impressed. I should have

551
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: clarified she said she was not impressed with the scandal.

552
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: I don't think she was making an implication about Brad's

553
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: She just was like, it's a naked body. I don't

554
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: get it anyway. One of the most iconic music videos

555
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: of all time, she is trekking through the actual literal

556
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: Mojave desert at green screens. Nope, wow, on location, baby

557
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: SHNEI doesn't phone it in.

558
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: That's she's like, literally is planting a forest, one tree

559
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: at a time, just like tracking animals and skinning them

560
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: and shooting three pointers.

561
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: I guess she can handle a day in the desert.

562
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: But hell Elmerage Dry Lake in Barstow, California, which you

563
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: probably have seen in the background of car commercials. It's

564
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: a popular spot to just take cars and whip them

565
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: around for movies because it's just very.

566
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: Empty and scenic.

567
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: It was directed by a Scotsman named Paul Boyd, who

568
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: has to this day filmed nine music videos for Shuai,

569
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: including the other two.

570
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: Were about to talk about. Model John Devaux, who.

571
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: Had previously appeared in the video for years Still the

572
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: One appears in the video, which thus makes the case

573
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: for the Shania Twain cinematic universe. But obviously the most

574
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: impactful element of this video is Twain's hooded, full length

575
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: leopard print outfit, which has become kind of an iconic

576
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: look for a generation. It was the work of a

577
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: South African designer named Mark Boer, who did return to

578
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: Twain's side for her twenty twelve Still the One tour,

579
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: and in twenty twenty she broke the Internet, as people

580
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: can say nowadays, for a twenty twenty video where she

581
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: wore a new version of it with everybody's favorite hipster

582
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: country guy, Orville Peck.

583
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: You know what's in that hat box? She's carding around

584
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: in the video for you don't impress me much? What's

585
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: that nothing? She saw the great Internet question in an

586
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: interview with ARP in twenty twenty, God Lover another speaking

587
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: also speaking of don't push Anaya a file.

588
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Yes.

589
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: She apparently thought that staying at a hotel somewhere nearby

590
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: would be too much of a pain because she had

591
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: such an early call time. So instead, night before she

592
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: shot that video, she camped out in the desert, the

593
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: Mojave Desert. She had a dry lake. She chose this.

594
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: She thought that was easier. She decided to rough it

595
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: overnight and wake up as refreshed as one can be

596
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: after a night in the Mojave desert.

597
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: You really do not mess with Shania Twain. She is

598
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: so cool. I just have never guessed that.

599
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: You could dump her in the middle of Mojave Desert,

600
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: presumably with nothing, and.

601
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: She would survive.

602
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're still a one. We now arrive at

603
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: a song which god, I heard too many times at

604
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: like middle school dances, And.

605
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: Is that a big wedding banger? It's been a first dance.

606
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: A couple times during the wedding did yeah.

607
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: But so apparently when Twain and Lang, I can't believe

608
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: this first time we're saying.

609
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: That twang.

610
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: Lwaane.

611
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: What's their couple name? Twang, Yeah, let's go it twice.

612
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: It's actually literally twang for a country music power couple.

613
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 2: I can't believe. I'm just thinking of this anyway. There

614
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: was a lot of scuttle butt in the notoriously catty

615
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: music industry about their nearly twenty year age gap, and

616
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: since Twain had really only had the one kind of

617
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: semi flop to her name at that point, some assumed

618
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: that she was using him to advance her career, or

619
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: that he was abusing her. Yeah, chalk that up to

620
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: garden variety sexism. She said on Top of the Pops

621
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine that she had actually never intended

622
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: to write a song about their relationship, but she was

623
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: sufficiently moved by all of the negative chatter in the

624
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: press to write Your Still the One as a response,

625
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: and this song came together, as did a lot of

626
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: the others. The couple would bring in pieces of tunes

627
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: that they worked on on their own to each other

628
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: and then kind of stitch them together in the studio.

629
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: She said, Mutt and I spent a lot of time apart,

630
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: as I was promoting and touring and he was in

631
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: studios working on tracks and arrangements as we wrote. And

632
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: this is in her autobiography from this moment on, it's

633
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: surprising that we were able to write all this stuff

634
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: with so little time together. We wrote independently and merged

635
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: ideas when we joined up, and she said, I remember

636
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: feeling very excited about the counterline sung by Mutt as

637
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: backing vocals in You're Still the One. As I sang

638
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: the chorus melody repeatedly while working out the lyrics, he

639
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: kicked in with the counterline You're Still the One, and

640
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: it gave me chills. All of a sudden, we had

641
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: a hit chorus. It was a magic moment.

642
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: I just want to say.

643
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: There's this great quote she has talking about what all

644
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: loosely term their their writing process.

645
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: During this album.

646
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: She said, sometimes we would literally go two or three

647
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: days at a time where we'd sit by the fire

648
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: and start writing in the morning, then go for a

649
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 3: walk later in the afternoon, go for a horseback ride or.

650
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: Eat, then right go to bed really late, get.

651
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: Up early in the morning, and start all over again.

652
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: And she says that as if it's like not a

653
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: resort vacation. I just like, man, sounds awesome not to

654
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: be this guy.

655
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: But like I've written, recorded, and released a lot of

656
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: my own music, and every single one of those experiences

657
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 2: ended with me doing the Joe Exotic.

658
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm never going to financially recover from this.

659
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: So just God, I again, I'd begrudge Shanaiah nothing and

660
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: I will defend her to the death. But man, do

661
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: I wish I had been alive in the nineteen nineties

662
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: making well, I mean I was alive, But man, I

663
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: wish I had been a in the music industry in

664
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties, because boy, it seems like a magical

665
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: time and Clive Davis flying out engineers to work in

666
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: like twelve hour shifts on Supernatural. That just like the

667
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: money that was in this industry, and then you know,

668
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: Kevin Spacey blowing in usual suspects just all went away

669
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: and the rest of us are all just fighting over

670
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: streaming scraps. I just read on Guinness that in twenty fifteen,

671
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: on Watch What Happens Live, Shanaia said she made about

672
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars from this album.

673
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: I mean my response is that it like I know, diamond,

674
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: I mean, did you ever see those Do you ever

675
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: see those breakdowns of nineteen nineties like CD prices where

676
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, ten percent of it show, so,

677
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: you know, forty million records?

678
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: She made twenty million off of it. That's about right.

679
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure the record, the label, whatever label it was on,

680
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: made the lion's share of that. What is that fifty

681
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: cents a record? I can't do math? Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Yeah.

682
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: Tracks? How many plays would it take to get fifty

683
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: cents on Spotify? Audible guncocking noise in the background.

684
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: Next section, Man, I feel like Robert Palmer, the eighties

685
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 2: New Waiver, not the respected musicologist and author. And now

686
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: we arrive at man, I feel like a woman. Which

687
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: what other song has more obnoxious punctuation in the title?

688
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: I have one? And there's a song by the Burrs

689
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: called What's Happening?

690
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 3: Question mark exclamation mark, question mark, explanation mark, question mark

691
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: exclamation mark.

692
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know that this one?

693
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 3: Which era? Crosby era? I think end of Krosbierra Well

694
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 3: that explains it. I think it's I think it's from

695
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 3: five d oh boy. This is my first knock against Shanaya.

696
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: Despite the laudable sort of message of this song, I

697
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: don't think she's likely to collaborate with any She's not

698
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: going to collaborate with Kathleen Hannah or from Bikini Kill

699
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: at any point. She has said of this song quote,

700
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: I think women are kind of spoiled in a lot

701
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: of ways with the advantages that we have. Feminists may

702
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: not feel that way, but I do. It's pretty darn

703
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: fun to be a woman anyway.

704
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: This song goes.

705
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: Back to her hard scrabble childhood hustling at the Deerhurst

706
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: Resort in Huntsville, Ontario. She remembers seeing drag queens performing there,

707
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: and I guess that stuck with her.

708
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: That riff at that's a Mutt Lang original. Baby.

709
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: He brought it to Twain and she arrived at the

710
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: title first and wrote the rest of the song around

711
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: that phrase. Became a Grammy winning song and lodged itself

712
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: firmly in the pop culture or consciousness for the rest

713
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: of time.

714
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: A lot of critics have compared that riff to Spirit

715
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 3: in the Sky by Norman Greenbaum from Yeah nineteen seventy,

716
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: which I had never thought of, but now I can't

717
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: on here.

718
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, anyway.

719
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: The video for this, also directed by Boyd, is, as

720
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: we alluded to in the section header title for this,

721
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: a gender flipped nod to Robert Palmer's clips through the

722
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: eighties for a dict to love and simply irresistible. Palmer

723
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: is this sort of pub rock at Jason Journeyman, who

724
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: had broken from the Power Station recently and at the

725
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: time that Addicted Love came out. He pitched that song

726
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: as a duet with Shaka Khan, which would have whipped

727
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: untold amounts of ass. In case you haven't seen it,

728
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: you most likely have. Palmer sings the song surrounded by

729
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: women with a severe kabooky German expressionist esque makeup and

730
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: They're all in black was influenced by a painter named

731
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: Patrick Nagel, who you may I don't know why I

732
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: keep saying you may recognize. Nobody recognizes this except for

733
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: us Duran Duran's Rio. The cover of Rio is a

734
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: Patrick Nagel original, and these models are all miming to

735
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: various degrees of accuracy and success. The instrumentals of the song.

736
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: Shanaia is not alone in parodying this clip. Weird Al Yankovic,

737
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: Tone Loak, Bowling for Soup, Shakira, and Paula Abdul have

738
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: also all spoofed it or referenced it at one point

739
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: or another.

740
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: So I didn't realize that.

741
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: Good for Robert Palmer Patrick Nagel's work is you've definitely seen.

742
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: It's the cover to Rio and it's almost like eighties

743
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: art deco. It's very, very, very pastel colors, almost like cartoonish. Interesting. Yeah,

744
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 3: interesting work. This is the part of the show where

745
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: I over and electualized Shania Twain's lyrics. Go on, But

746
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: you know, many of these songs really do seem pretty

747
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 3: progressive for the nineties and even ahead of their time

748
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: at points.

749
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: Man, I feel like a woman.

750
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: As we've already mentioned the celebration of femininity, and that's obvious.

751
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: I'm probably the least compelling example.

752
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: Come on, over song.

753
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: About inclusion, Don't Be Stupid, which is about telling off

754
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 3: an oppressive, jealous partner, reads pretty differently in a post

755
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: me Too era, and she literally has a song called

756
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: if you want to Touch Her Ask, which is a

757
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: consent anthem. If there ever was one, and she also

758
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: has a song on this album about escaping domestic abuse

759
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 3: called Black Eyes Blue Tears, which, to make it even

760
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: more dark, was inspired by Nicole Brown Simpson's murder Apparently.

761
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: Wow. So yeah.

762
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: I mean, the lyrics on here are a lot deeper

763
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: than I think people would give it credit for.

764
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: Somehow, Twain followed Come On Over with a nearly as

765
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: impressive record for Up Like a Child Begging to be Held,

766
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: released in two thousand and two. She and Lang Twang

767
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: wrote and recorded this in Berlin, Rome, Vienna, Paris, Avignon, Provence, Milan, Dublin,

768
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: the Bahamas, the Grenadine Islands, and king Mumbai.

769
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: That seems inefficient. That's ossive, but that doesn't bother me.

770
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: But just the inefficiency bothers me. Some kind of airline

771
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: miles scam. They were running this damn reckler which I

772
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: cannot remember or name a single song off of, for

773
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: the life of me. Within two years, certified at eleven

774
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: times platinum, making Shanai the only female artist to have

775
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 3: three consecutive Diamond albums in the US. Three Diamond albums

776
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: in a row. That is insane. Those are Michael Jackson

777
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: numbers it's worth four hundred million. I was just throwing worth.

778
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: She's worth every penny. She played the Super Bowl halftime

779
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 2: show three months after it came out, which honestly feels

780
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: like a pretty low stakes achievement. After three consecutive diamond

781
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: selling records.

782
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: Oh good Lord.

783
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 3: Off the strength of that incredible tenure run, Shanaia put

784
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: out a Greatest Hit CD in two thousand.

785
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: And three, which most certainly also sold gargantuan numbers. But

786
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: there was a problem.

787
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: She was bitten by a tick while horseback riding in Norfolk,

788
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: Virginia that same year, and subsequently developed the common complication

789
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: of lime from the bite, which caused nerve damage that

790
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: rendered her unable to sing, and in twenty eighteen in

791
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: a Philadelphia doctor named Robert Sadilov, the guy who diagnosed

792
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: the cause of the loss of her voice implanted something

793
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: called gore Tech stabilizers in her throat to help with

794
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: her weakened voice. So once she had those stabilizers in there,

795
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: she worked with vocal trainners and did a lot of

796
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: vocal therapy and warm ups, and she since returned to

797
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: live shows and been welcomed by a generation of younger

798
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: country singers like Taylor Swift and Casey Musgraves who took

799
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: over the mantle of country crossover, super mega ultrastar and

800
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 3: often to come on over to heart, using it as

801
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 3: a blueprint for their own transitions from, as you say,

802
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: the cozy confines of the country community into the wider.

803
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: World of pop. The whole thing with her voice is crazy.

804
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: It took seven years before they were able to find

805
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: out what was going on. Basically, she didn't think she

806
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: was ever going to be able to sing again. And

807
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: it could have been worse, which is what's even wilder, Like.

808
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: Well, this is because of the line disease, right was that? Yeah?

809
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he could have attacked, he could have attacked

810
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: like different nerves. And she actually says that right now,

811
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: singing is This was in twenty twenty. She's talking to

812
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: our former employer, People magazine. She says singing is actually

813
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: easier for her than talking because of these stabilized and

814
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: she still has a scar. She went multiple surgeries she

815
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: had Basically, have you ever seen the cameras that show

816
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 2: how your vocal folds move or yeah, a little kind

817
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: of yeah, So these things that are in her vocal

818
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: cords are like crutches for her vocal folds. They essentially

819
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 2: stabilized the motion of her vocal folds in her throat

820
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 2: so that they don't have to Like I guess work

821
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: is hard or they in their weekend state. They are

822
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: strengthened by these synthetic things that have been inserted in there.

823
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, it is wild.

824
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: Uh man, I feel like an outro. Uh you know,

825
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: it is.

826
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: Really hard to imagine all this shit that she went

827
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: through in the nineties. I mean, from being a really

828
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: unknown person who is collaborating with this mega producer. Even

829
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: that was said to her face paled to the stuff

830
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: that happened behind closed doors. I'm sure you know. The

831
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: country music establishment came after her for being too pop

832
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: or too sexy. They suggested that Lang was behind every

833
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: single move that she made. And this is super up

834
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: man Steve Earl, who's like the quote unquote hardcore Troubadour,

835
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: this sort of avatar of Americana alt country authenticity. I

836
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: annoyed it he said this. He called her the world's

837
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: highest paid lap dancer. Hugh Steve Earl, that's horsh But yeah,

838
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: I mean all kinds of artists in our generation openly

839
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: acknowledge her as a major influence. I mean, obviously there's

840
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: people like Casey Musgraves and Carrie Underwood, but less obviously

841
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: Halsey is a huge fan. Harry Styles also a huge fan.

842
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: I think she guested with him at one point on

843
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: at Coachella. I think she came on and did a

844
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: song with him. You know. Possibly the most impressive thing

845
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: at all is that she has not one, but two

846
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: signature fragrances from Stetson the had people. Yes, I think

847
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: they make cologne. Don't they make like colonny you can

848
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: get a gas stations.

849
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: Oh maybe, I just know Stetson hats, which I mean

850
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 3: is very country, so probably.

851
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: And her own signature Fabrize Blend, which did go to charity.

852
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: So she who laughs last, laughs loudest from a top

853
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: a pile of money in Switzerland.

854
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 3: Just to get back to what you were saying earlier

855
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: about Steve Earl, there was this really kind of insane

856
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: line from the New York Times from around the time

857
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 3: Come On Over came out. New York Times labeled Shanaia

858
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: a rebel who quote sings about taking charge and about

859
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: unabashed lust.

860
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: She bears her navel and Shanaiah said.

861
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: I refuse to play down the way I look in

862
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: order to be taken seriously as an artist. I'm aware

863
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: there's this mentality that you're not allowed to be intelligent

864
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: and good looking, or that you're not credible if you

865
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: wear your hair like this or your shirt like that,

866
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: but I will not accept that.

867
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: It's not right.

868
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: Wait, what the fuck is she supposed to do? Like

869
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: dressed in sackcloth and ashes like?

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Speaker 1: Come on? Yeah? God, long live Shanaya. I hope she's

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Speaker 2: And that's all I have to say about that. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for listening, folks, This has been too much information. I'm

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Speaker 2: Alex Heigel. Sorry, I got a sign n that's the

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Speaker 1: After you talk about them. It's Toby Keith is coming.

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Speaker 1: He's going to put a boot in your ass. And

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Speaker 1: I'm Jordan run Talk. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: and Alex Heigel.

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