1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Everyone has had their say. Now it's the coordinator's turn. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Drew Petsing and Nick Raulis have weighed in on the 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: draft class, plus some of the new faces added in 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: free agency. Also was Zavion Collins's fifth year option declined? 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: What does that mean for his future with the team. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode seven fifty four, and it 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: starts now. 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: Food to Baker, what Heart? 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 4: What rent? 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again. 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 3: Some more Hurry magic. 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: Whow here's Craigcriolo. 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: So we welcome back Dan after she was stuck with 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: me for three straight days during the draft. 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: You deserve the break. 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 4: Didn't really get one Sunday? 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: Oh, okay, Monday. 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 4: You still emailed me on Sunday, Craig, not much but break. 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: Wait a second, I emailed everyone on Sunday. 26 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 4: You sure did? 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: Okay? 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 3: Now I need a break. I don't remember what I did. 29 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 3: What did I do? 30 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: The roster update? 31 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: Oh? 32 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 4: Yes, the one weekend we work all off season, the 33 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 4: one day off we have that weekend. 34 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe as what was I doing? So 35 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: I can't even remember. That was just a couple of 36 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 3: days ago. 37 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: By the way, that roster update has changed twice since 38 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: that email on Sunday because of a couple of different 39 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: roster moves, so I probably should have. 40 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: Just waited a couple of days. But yeah, okay, you 41 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: survived though. 42 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 4: I did. 43 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: Good weekend. 44 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean my weekend was the draft? You saw 45 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 4: me all weekend. 46 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: I'll say what I said on Monday as well. A 47 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: shout out to our digital content and creative team, and 48 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: a shout out to you, specifically Danny, because not only 49 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: did you do double trip duty that weekend with Cover two, 50 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: but also a number of sit downs and then popouts 51 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: as well for the draft party. So yes, triple duty 52 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: coverage during the twenty twenty four NFL drafts. 53 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: It was a lot, But that's part of it. That's 54 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 4: every every draft. It's part of it. 55 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: And now the next step is Reroo Community Camp a 56 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: week from Friday. But before we get to that in 57 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: the rookie class, how about the news of the day. 58 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: In fact, this was actually news that happened late Tuesday 59 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: afternoon and really not a surprise. But until you hear 60 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: the announcement or you get something definitive, you're never quite 61 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure. To use Jonathan Gannon's words, I'll 62 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: be one hundred percent sure when I let everyone know 63 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. Well, we found out what gm Anti 64 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Austin Ford is thinking about Zavian Collins and that fifty 65 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: year option not picked up ahead of Thursday's deadline. Again 66 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: not a surprise. Only one year as an outside linebacker. 67 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: This team, this coaching staff needs to know what they 68 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: have in the player before committing to him for twenty 69 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: twenty and twenty twenty five would have meant almost actually 70 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: more than thirteen million dollars guaranteed, Again not a surprise. 71 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: In listening to Mani talk about it on Burns and 72 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Gamble on Arizona Sports. Good dialogue between the team and 73 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: the player. 74 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 4: It's not quite the same expectation of a rookie jump 75 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: from year one to year two, just because zaban Collins 76 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 4: has been in the league for a couple of years. 77 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: At this point, however, it makes sense to me to 78 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 4: not pick up the fifth year option because you do 79 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 4: need to see a drastic jump from year one to 80 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: year two strictly being outside, Collins does continue to receive 81 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 4: praise for not just his physical attributes, his intelligence and 82 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 4: his ability to really think through things, which from what 83 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: we've heard from multiple coaching staffs, seems to kind of 84 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: be maybe one of the issues to kind of work 85 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 4: through is not having to think through everything, is trusting 86 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 4: his instinct and kind of reacting more so than thinking 87 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: through things. I think that we saw some flashes from 88 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: Collins and what he's able to do outside. There was 89 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: also a lot asked of him last offseason, is to 90 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 4: not only make the change outside, you have an entire 91 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 4: new coaching staff that you're having to adjust to, which 92 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 4: would have been a lot had he not even made 93 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 4: that position change. So I would expect, just knowing the 94 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 4: work ethic and again how smart Collins is, to see 95 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 4: a jump, and then the Cardinals can decide from there 96 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 4: about whether or not they offer a contract extension or 97 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: something this time next year. 98 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: You hope now for Zavan it's more reaction as opposed 99 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: to thinking on that football field. You mentioned that he 100 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: was asked to do a lot, and he did a lot, 101 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: but how much of that was maybe he was just 102 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: a little bit half step, maybe a quarter step too slow, 103 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: didn't quite get there all the way the position that 104 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: he needed to be in. Because he was going back 105 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: and thinking, what I did during the week to put 106 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: me in the position that I need to make a 107 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: successful play on Sunday, you eliminate that. Who knows what 108 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: Zavon is capable of doing, whether that's rushing the quarterback 109 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: or dropping into coverage. Three and a half sacks last season, 110 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: You would hope that number increases, But what are they 111 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: asking talking about the coaches, what are they asking Zavon 112 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: to do? Versus what are we seeing Zavon do and 113 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: looking at a stat sheets saying well, he could have 114 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: done more. 115 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think too. Is having a beefyer defensive line 116 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 4: opens up things for not just Collins, but the rest 117 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 4: of that outside linebackers room, which is coming off as 118 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: a high priority this offseason for this coaching staff in 119 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: front office. So I would expect, you know, if you're 120 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 4: able to get some consistent play from your d line 121 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 4: and stuff in the run. That would open things up 122 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 4: for Collins as. 123 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: Well, and for Xavion. He's twenty five. He'll be twenty 124 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: five when the season begins. And as Mani told Burns 125 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: and Gamble on Arizona Sports, this does not close the 126 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: door on Zavon's future with the Arizona Cardinals. You mentioned it, Danny. 127 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: There's nothing to say that these two sides can't come 128 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: to an agreement or sit down at the end of 129 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: the season and say all right, we like what we saw, 130 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: we want to keep you, and here's an offer. And 131 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: it's up to Zavon to say, all right, well I 132 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: want to test now my market in free agency. But 133 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me at all. Again, this is this 134 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: is a complete different scenario from where we were a 135 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: year ago talking about Isaiah Simmons and that fifth year option. 136 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: This is this is this is to me, at least, 137 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: this is a completely different conversation when we talk about 138 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: we need to see what Isaiah can do. In fact, 139 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: they never did see it because he was traded before 140 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: the season even began. I think there's I think there's 141 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: a role for Zevon that this coaching staff sees and 142 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: hopes to see this season to make him a long 143 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: term fit. 144 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 4: I think in the grand scheme of things, Yes, it's 145 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 4: a different conversation than Isaiah Simmons because they never found 146 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 4: were Simmons fit. He was a hybrid player. But it 147 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: was kind of it seemed like the saying of if 148 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 4: you're good at everything, you're really not good at anything. 149 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 4: And I do feel like they do see this staff 150 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 4: now sees more of a future for Zevin Collins. 151 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 3: I don't. 152 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 4: I can't sit here and say it's a guarantee. I 153 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 4: believe they're going to give him a contract extension because 154 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: if that were true, they probably would have picked up 155 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 4: his fifthier option. That tells me, you have some significant 156 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 4: things that we need to see improved this year before 157 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 4: we can make a decision. So, yes, it's different than Simmons. 158 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: At the same time, you got to read the tea 159 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 4: leaves and for you know, see it for what it is. 160 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 4: Of Okay, like you can say that you want to 161 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: have him here as part of your long term plan 162 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: if you were one hundred percent sure, but that you 163 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 4: probably would have picked up his fifth your option. Again, 164 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 4: things can change after his performance this year, and I 165 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 4: do believe that that door is open. I don't think 166 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 4: the door is closed, but I don't I don't believe 167 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: that one hundred percent until there's pen to paper. 168 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: Thirteen million ver Zavan Collins just too high of a 169 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: price to pay for twenty twenty five, at least as 170 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: we speak here on this first day of May. 171 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: By the way, happy May first. 172 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know if you celebrate anything on May first, 173 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: not nothing, and I think so either. You brought up 174 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: the versatility and the number of different things David Collins does. 175 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: We've heard now over the last two days, Drew pettsing 176 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Nick Rolis on Wednesday, and you talk about 177 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: themes that continue to pop up with this coaching staff 178 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: and whether it's an offensive player or a defensive player. Versatility, adaptability. Fact, 179 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: that was the word of the day, word of the draft, 180 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: whether it was MANI or JG. This coaching staff wants 181 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: players who can be different things, depending on scheme, depending 182 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: on opponent. And to a certain extent, I get it. 183 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: A lot of times, it's okay, we just want to know. 184 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: Where this player is going to play. 185 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: But this coaching staff believes that they have better success 186 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: if you have versatile players. One because of injury. You 187 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: want to make sure you have a backup plan and 188 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: a plan behind that, and then to give the defense 189 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: or the offense a different look, change it up so 190 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: you don't have those tendencies every week or after a 191 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: four game sample size. 192 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 4: I think they see it as not telling us to 193 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 4: have it written down gives them some sort of competitive advantage, 194 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 4: which I mean, by the time you know, regular season 195 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 4: rolls around, there's tape out there. But I do think 196 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: there is something to be said about versatility for different 197 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 4: packages and what this team, this defense really not so 198 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 4: much the offense, but the defense really wants to do. 199 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: I mean, we did see a rotation on the D line. 200 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 4: We did see a rotation with the pass rusher, so 201 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 4: I can believe that that is true. Is you want 202 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 4: to have versatility, you want to have players that can 203 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 4: play on both sides. You want to have players that 204 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 4: can play on the inside or the outside of the 205 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: D line. I would expect that as we get closer 206 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 4: to training camp, these players will have a primary spot 207 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 4: and then it will be supplemental of Okay, maybe for 208 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: a few sub packages you'll move out here, but this 209 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 4: is where you're primarily going to be that is kind 210 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 4: of hard for them to know at this point because 211 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 4: so much of the defense is new, either from the 212 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 4: draft class or from free agents. So I will give them, 213 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: you know, that bit of cushion the coaching staff of 214 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 4: you got to have them out on the field and 215 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: Phase two workouts have begun, but it's not really practice. 216 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 4: You know, offense and defense can't line up against each other, 217 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 4: they're not in pads. You can't really do much besides 218 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 4: walk through the fundamentals. So I do think it will 219 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 4: take some time of finding also the right combinations on 220 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 4: your d line. Right you've added two monsters and Justin 221 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: Jones and Malon Nichols, are they paired with L. J. Collier? 222 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 4: Are they going to have a fourth And is that 223 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 4: going to be the rookie Darius Robinson. These are things 224 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 4: that are just going to take time for them to 225 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 4: shake out until the coaching staff can really get comfortable. 226 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: On the topic of defensive line, we did hear from 227 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: Nick Rolis on Wednesday, and I know there was a 228 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: little bit of a debate as far as what position 229 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: room will he be in, how much of an outside 230 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: edge rusher will he be handing the dirts or stand 231 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: up outside linebacker and rawlis was asked. In fact, it 232 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: was our colleague Zach Erschman who asked, and Darius Robinson 233 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: will start in the defensive line room. Not a huge 234 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: surprise again, but is that as a defensive end? Do 235 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: we see him maybe move inside a little bit play? 236 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say maybe over the center, but the ability 237 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: that he had he showed at Missouri to line up 238 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: across the board and even a couple of steps where 239 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: he stood up as an outside linebacker to rush the quarterback. 240 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: But that versatility defensively, now all of a sudden, and 241 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what number he's gonna wear as of yet, 242 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: but the quarterback breaks the huddle, you're looking for Darius 243 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: and you don't quite know where he's going to be 244 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: because typically, well we know he's going to be on 245 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: the right side. Well that's not necessarily the case, at 246 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: least with this coaching staff. 247 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 4: I think that's a good thing. I don't know why 248 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 4: you wouldn't want differently. I mean, even someone like Aaron 249 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: Donald moves all over and you know that he's gonna 250 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,359 Speaker 4: wreck the game wherever he's plays. Like I like versatility 251 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 4: in that sense, unless you are just the absolute and 252 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter that people that the opponents know exactly 253 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 4: where you're going to be in exactly what you're going 254 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: to do. Maybe like a JJ Watt, like I would 255 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 4: like versatility, I don't have a problem with that of 256 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 4: keeping them on their toes as long as that player 257 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 4: really does have the ability to truly be versatile and 258 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 4: be effective in multiple spots. 259 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: And that's what's getting learned right now. As far as 260 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: the offseason program is concerned. Phase two you brought it up. 261 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: It's going from the classroom onto the field. That's only 262 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: really the big difference because you're not really repping against 263 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: anybody but yourselves as far as an offense or a defense. 264 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: And even when phase three begins in ota is happening, 265 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: you're still going half speed, quarter speed. Even mandatory mini 266 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: camp it's the same. You're really not going to know 267 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: until you start going a little bit faster speed in 268 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: training camp. Can this player handle what we're asking them 269 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: to do? If they can, great, If not, well, we 270 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: got to dial it back and figure out another role 271 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: or someone else behind them. And to hear Nick Rowlis 272 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: talk again about versatility in the secondary, all these moving pieces, 273 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: Garrett Williams. Is he an outside guy? Is a an 274 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: inside guy? What about Rabbit, which, by the way, Adrian 275 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: Taylor Emerson, I don't think I'll say his name ever. Again, 276 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: it is very clear from everyone in this building that 277 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: he is Rabbit and maybe Rabbit alone except for you know, 278 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: when he gets paid and it's on this deposit slip. 279 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, what was the question. 280 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: It's the being having and I moved brought it up 281 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: earlier over the weekend, calling someone rabbit like we did 282 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: with Hollywood. Just it's gonna take me. I'm getting used 283 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: to a little bit to figure out, all right, when 284 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking about him. Yeah, it's just it's it's not 285 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: a nickname that I'm used to. It's not a nickname that. 286 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: I've heard before. 287 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, but Rawls made a very clear on the presser 288 00:13:58,640 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 4: he wants to go buy Rabbit. 289 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: So he made it clear two different times about this 290 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: is who we call this is what we're calling him. 291 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: We're going to call him rabbit. 292 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: Question is now, what do you call him on the 293 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: football field? And having these different pieces because your question 294 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: about Sean Murphy bunting, he is might be the only 295 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: one right now in that secondary in the cornerbacks that 296 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: might have a solid position, at least from our perspective 297 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: on where he is going to be as an outside corner. 298 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 3: Whether that's left or right. 299 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: Who knows. But I think as the veteran in that room, 300 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: he knows, and it's up to everyone else, a bunch 301 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: of young players to try to figure out where they 302 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: fit in, whether that's opposite Murphy Bunting or inside and 303 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: be a part of that rotation. 304 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: I don't think someone like Garrett Williams is fighting for 305 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 4: a spot. I think where I can't really play outside 306 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 4: a lot last year. I don't know if that's just 307 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: because he came onto the field late in the season 308 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: as he was rehabbing an ACL injury from his final 309 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 4: year in CA. The staff might have really liked him inside. 310 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 4: I would expect Max Melton, the Cardinals' second round pick, 311 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: the cornerback out of Rutgers, to really make a push 312 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 4: to be a starter, just because there's so much opportunity there. 313 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: But we'll have to see what someone like a Starling 314 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: Thomas or a key Truck Clark going into year two 315 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: brings to the table and how much fight they put 316 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 4: up and the work that they put out there I 317 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 4: mean the Cardinals took three dbs. They took two cornerbacks 318 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 4: and a safety. Three cornerbacks, three cornerbacks and a safety 319 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: because the final one of Jyde Davis. So it's clear 320 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 4: that's a priority. It's clear they want to see competition. 321 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: It's clear they want youth in that room. I think 322 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 4: you can imagine that's to develop and to keep your 323 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: own guys, and not only so they're playing kind of 324 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 4: the style you want, but also financially that helps you 325 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: for the next handful of years. So I think that's 326 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 4: going to be a fun area to keep an eye 327 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: on in training camp of Sean Murphy Bunting, the free 328 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 4: agent addition, is really the only veteran in that room. 329 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 4: Everything else is pretty much up for grabs. 330 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: Asked about Melton, Nick Rollis said he had a really 331 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: good skill set, has a really good speed, long arms. 332 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: And then maybe the. 333 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: Wild card in all this is Elijah Jones, who again 334 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: a Day three selection. But we've heard it now from 335 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: both JG and Nick Rowlis. The impressive meeting that Jones 336 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: had at the scouting combine. You put that play up 337 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: on the board and before they even hit play, Jones 338 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: is going back and saying, Yeah, this is what I 339 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: did and why I did it this way. And I 340 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: think that really impressed the defensive coaching staff because now 341 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's that high iq, that football knowledge, 342 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: the why that these coaches teach these players, and Elijah 343 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: Jones already has that within him. 344 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 4: When Paul Calvisti asked Rollis about Elijah Jones on the 345 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 4: Wednesday press conference, Paul couldn't even get the question out, 346 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 4: and Rallis kind of stopped and was like, well, hang on, 347 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 4: I want to talk about that interview at the Combine 348 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 4: and saying how impressed he was of the knowledge of 349 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: the play and everything that was going on and also 350 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 4: his preparation, and Rolls was saying, I was taking notes, 351 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: thinking oh, this will be good stuff for us to 352 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: incorporate it in our routine and how we prepare. And 353 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 4: the fact that the coaches and the general manager and 354 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 4: Mani Austin Ford all all thought that Elijah Jones resembled 355 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 4: Garrett Williams, and how Williams stood out at his Combine 356 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 4: interview first of all, says a lot about Garrett Williams 357 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 4: and also says a lot about Elijah Jones. And then 358 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 4: Rollis followed up on Jones just talking about his ability 359 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 4: to pay the press and get the ball and all 360 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 4: the attributes they saw on film and stuff from him. 361 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: But I think that does say a lot of they're 362 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 4: not just talking out of both sides of their mouth, 363 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 4: and they're saying they want players who love ball and 364 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 4: who have the right mindset and that beast mentality. That's 365 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 4: clear and all these draft picks that that's what they 366 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: really are looking for. 367 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: Jones was the fourth of four third round selections, ninetieth overall, 368 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: six out of Boston College at the Senior Bowl. Cardinals 369 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: had a handful of assistants at the Senior Bowl, which 370 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: goes back to that prep work and maybe learning more 371 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: about the person also the player helping that prep work 372 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: to allow the Cardinals to select Elijah Jones, who did 373 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: have five interceptions last season, something rawle Is brought up 374 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: and was asked about the takeaways, because this Cardinals defense 375 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: only had eleven interceptions last season. But everyone that they drafted, 376 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: all those dbs had good ball skills as far as 377 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: either getting their hands on the football knocking it down 378 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: or getting on their hands on the football period and 379 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: getting it back to the offense. 380 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's can you translate that to the pros? We 381 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 4: were going up the best of the best of quarterbacks 382 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 4: that have a fast release time, have an accurate, strong 383 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 4: ball that they're throwing and going up against some of 384 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: the best receivers. So that is an important skill set 385 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,239 Speaker 4: of having, you know, the natural ability to kind of 386 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 4: track the ball and be able to get your hands 387 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 4: on it. But you still got to put in the work. 388 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 4: That doesn't necessarily translate to the speed of the game 389 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: and the receivers you're going up against. 390 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: The NFL, some guys just have innate ability knowing where 391 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: the football is going to be, are minded. Tyron Matthew 392 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: his first offseason after he was selected, and he was 393 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: everywhere on the football field. Now can everyone be like that? No, 394 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: it takes a certain individual. It takes a certain football 395 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: player to be that guy. And again, the Cardinals drafted 396 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: four defensive backs, three cornerbacks. Can one of those guys 397 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: be that? Can two of the four be that? I 398 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: think they're all going to be given an opportunity. And 399 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: if you're a key Trail Clark or a Starling Thomas 400 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: or Tobad Wilson and all of a sudden, It's all right. 401 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: Our rooms just got increasingly more competitive, and all that 402 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: work that we put in last season, we got to 403 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: do it again and we did. We not show enough 404 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: last season to with his coaching staff in front office 405 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: said we need more cornerbacks in our room. 406 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 4: If that's the case. And that's the case, I mean, 407 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: that's that's what it is. That's the motivation you need 408 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 4: to go out and put in your best work. And 409 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 4: I mean Rollis said that Kee Track Clark has an 410 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 4: assassin mentality. Great, if that's what it's going to take 411 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: to go out and get your best work and really 412 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: put some competition and make these players earn their playing time, 413 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 4: their starting roles, then I'm all for it. 414 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: Anything else from Ralis it was more than twenty minutes. 415 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: He addressed the media on Wednesday, talking about the draft class, 416 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: some of the new free agent additions. Max melt excuse me, 417 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: Max Wilson. He certainly perked us Mac Wilson, Sorry, I'm 418 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: Max Melton. Mac. Yeah, he certainly perked up when Max's 419 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: name was brought up. And again that versatility he can 420 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: be inside, thump a little bit, stop the run, and 421 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: then what he showed on tape a year ago late 422 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: in the season with the Patriots getting to that quarterback 423 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: and wrecking the quarterback. 424 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 3: Mac Wilson might be someone that when. 425 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: We talk about versatility, you see lined up everywhere in 426 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: that front seven. 427 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, stack the box. I think that's going to be 428 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 4: a really fun pair to watch of mac Wilson and 429 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 4: Kaiser White, who's healthy enough to been participating in these 430 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 4: off season programs coming off that biceps injury he suffered 431 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 4: late last season. It fits again with the versatility of 432 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: being able to be used in multiple spots and being 433 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 4: able to be used if, as Rale says, someone loses 434 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 4: their shoe, which means if somebody gets hurt, and then 435 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 4: you don't really have to miss a step in the 436 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 4: plays that are being called. 437 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: And good for Rawlis and everyone else that Kaiser White 438 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: is back in the building and back in the building healthy, 439 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: with a smile on his face because we all saw 440 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: the drop off late last season when he got hurt 441 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: toward his bicep. Coaches kind of downplayed at least publicly, 442 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: but hearing everyone now talk about just how much of 443 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: a loss that was, a tangible loss on the field 444 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: and off the field. Knock on Wood, Kaiser White stay 445 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: healthy and plays all seventeen games, because I do think 446 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: one player, specifically that particular player can make a difference 447 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: and uplift everyone on. 448 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 3: That side of the ball. 449 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I understand why the coaching staff didn't get up 450 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 4: there and say it's a huge drop off, because what 451 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 4: are you gonna do? What does that say to the 452 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: players that are in that room. What does that say 453 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: to the Josh Woods who is stepping up right? What 454 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 4: does that say to the Chris Barnes. We talked about it, 455 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 4: but I understand why the coach staff wouldn't get up 456 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 4: on the podium and say that. But that's the case. 457 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 4: That's on a knock on the other linebackers that had 458 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 4: to step up and do the best of their ability. 459 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 4: I think it just speaks more to the talent and 460 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: skill set that Kaiser White has when it comes to 461 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: the fundamentals of playing the position, when it comes to 462 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 4: the composure that it takes, the communication that it takes 463 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 4: of calling a defense and making sure that everybody's in 464 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 4: the right spot at the right time. 465 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: One of the aspects that rawleis brought up as the 466 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: addition to Justin Jones and Balal Nichols, not so much 467 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: the players, but the leadership already. I mean, Danny, they 468 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: just they just got here and we're in phase two 469 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: and listening to Rawless talk that they are already commanding 470 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: that room as far as being the leaders, being the 471 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: offhas in that room. Not that they're taking over the room, 472 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: but they understand what it takes, what that room needs, 473 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: and everyone else is kind of getting in line. 474 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 4: Rals was saying the two of them have essentially stepped 475 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 4: in as coaches just with their knowledge and their veteran leadership. 476 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 4: That's what I want to hear when you look at 477 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 4: the holes of this Cardinals defense when it comes to 478 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 4: stopping the run last year, big area of improvement that 479 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 4: they have made. So I want to hear from the 480 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 4: players that they brought in for a reason. I would 481 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 4: want to hear from those veterans of Justin Jones and 482 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 4: Balon Nichols, of hey, you were brought in for a reason, 483 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: like I want to hear what you see, like I 484 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 4: want to know, I want to pick your brain. You're 485 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 4: here to make us better, like let's get better together. 486 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: Anything else from Raulis Before we talked a little bit 487 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: about Drew Petsing and what. 488 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: He had to say on Tuesday. 489 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 490 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 3: By the way, It's just good to hear from these guys. 491 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: Was reminded that we have not heard from either coordinator 492 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: since the final week of the regular season. 493 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean outside of running into them. 494 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: In the halls, but nothing on an official capacity. What 495 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: do you think about this or what are you doing 496 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: to correct that? 497 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 4: Right? 498 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: So it's just good to hear from them, all right, 499 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: Drew Petsing a lot of questions about Marvin Harrison Junior. 500 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: Everyone's excited. I think Petsing downplayed some of his excitement, 501 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: at least publicly. But I think that just goes back 502 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: to what this coaching staff believes. That nothing is going 503 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: to be handed to anyone. You have to earn it. 504 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: You't At the same time, you're selected fourth overall, you're 505 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: the number one wide receiver. You're expected to be on 506 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: that football field and play and starting all those fun things. 507 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can be treated like everyone else. I don't 508 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 4: want to sit here and pretend like Marvin Harrison Junior 509 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 4: is on a day one starter. That's that would be 510 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 4: I feel like to sit in this chair or of 511 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 4: service to all the listeners of pretending like he is 512 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 4: for a role. He has fought for that role already 513 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 4: and that's why he deserved and I ended up being 514 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 4: chosen fourth overall in the draft. I think it's interesting 515 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 4: when you're looking at the other players that they've added, 516 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 4: of the sneaky need of a tight end, with how 517 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 4: often this offense likes to run the ball, how often 518 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 4: they like to be in multiple tight end sets, makes 519 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: a lot of sense to me to draft Tip Ryman 520 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 4: of he likes to describe himself as a mauler, which 521 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: is what you want. You want someone who wants to 522 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 4: put their hands on people and block and create space 523 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 4: and gaps and opportunities for your running backs. He wasn't 524 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: really utilized in the passing game at Illinois, and while 525 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 4: we were told that that is just the opportunities weren't 526 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 4: giving to him. I think it'll be interesting to see 527 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: how that skill set progresses with this coaching staff. I 528 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 4: don't think that's necessarily a big jump we're going to 529 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 4: see in the first couple games we see of Ryman, 530 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 4: but I would expect over time maybe seeing a little 531 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 4: bit more than what the number showed in college. Taking 532 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 4: Isaiah Adams as some interior offensive line help and getting 533 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 4: some depth there. I think that's an opportunity to climb 534 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 4: the ranks on the depth chart. You know, if Adams 535 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 4: is able to learn the playbook quickly and show his 536 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 4: what he can do out on the field, I think 537 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 4: that's an opportunity to really I don't know if I 538 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 4: can say become a starter just because there is a 539 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 4: lot of veteran presence really thinking about that left guard spot, 540 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: but there is opportunity and then someone like a Christian Jones, 541 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily see starting maybe even playing at all 542 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: year one. I see that more as a two to 543 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 4: three or probably developmental process of becoming a future swing 544 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 4: tackle that I don't see Christian Jones the likelihood of 545 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 4: him seeing a lot of playing time, assuming that everybody 546 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 4: keeps their shoes on the way that I could see 547 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 4: Isaiah Adams really fighting for some playing time this year. 548 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: Jones a fifth round pick, Adams a third round pick. 549 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: And we got to talk about the running back trade 550 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: bench who Petsing described as explosive speed, quickness, the home 551 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: run ability, and that is certainly the case. He does 552 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: have that home run ability as far as breaking off 553 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: long runs, long touchdown runs, and someone that is not 554 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: going to supplant James Connor as your daughter. But in 555 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: the event Connor needs a blow or a change of 556 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: pace back just to give the defense a different look. 557 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: Here can now comes Trey Benson, who is certainly going 558 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: to have to beat out on Michael Carter, Amrio de Mercado, 559 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: DJ Dallas, who I'm sure wants more carries than he 560 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: got with the Seahawks a year ago. So that's a 561 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: room that's going to be fascinated to pay attention to 562 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: who's behind James Connor at the end. 563 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 4: Of the day, Right Michael Carter, just his skill set 564 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 4: and his size still feels the most different from the 565 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 4: rest of that room. So I don't know, I could 566 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 4: be wrong. Right now, it feels most realistic that, if anything, 567 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 4: Trey Benson would move up as your third running back 568 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 4: and kind of get those opportunities again. Maybe if if 569 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 4: Connor needs a break or two and you don't really 570 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 4: want to change the way that you're running the ball, 571 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 4: if you would have to do that by adding in 572 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 4: Michael Carter, which maybe they wouldn't really have to drastically, 573 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 4: But Trey Benson has the size that is more similar 574 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: to a Connor, which makes me believe that's kind of 575 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 4: the type of runner they envision him to be. But 576 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 4: you're right. I mean, it's going to be an exciting 577 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 4: competition to watch in that running backs room, because right 578 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 4: now it's a pretty full room. Cardinals are not going 579 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 4: to keep what is that five running backs on the 580 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 4: roster now, the changes to the kickoff and special teams, 581 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 4: how does that affect how many running backs you're going 582 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 4: to keep? That to me screams like a DJ Dallas 583 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 4: type role. So it'll be interesting to see. But I 584 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 4: do like Benson and what we've seen online of clips 585 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 4: and his ability to run and find the gaps and 586 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 4: keep his feet moving and stay upright. So it'll be 587 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 4: fun in training camp. 588 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: We will see these new draft players and the three 589 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: undrafted players that the team added a week from Friday, 590 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: the start of rookie mini camp. But you brought up 591 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: face to the offseason strength and conditioning program, and something 592 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: that Petsing brought up as far as the big difference 593 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: this year versus last year, at least for him and 594 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: the offense, is having a healthy Kyler Murray on the 595 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: football field. Figuring out what works what doesn't work now 596 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: as opposed to, hey, you're back final eight games. We're 597 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: doing it on the fly, and there's really no way 598 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: to look at things and correct things in practice because 599 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: you're getting ready for a game. Now you can slow down, 600 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: take a couple of steps back, and figure out, all right, 601 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: this is what I like. Let's work on this. Let's 602 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: tweak this out on the football field, as opposed to 603 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: doing in the midst of a game week when you 604 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: really don't have that opportunity to kind of really figure 605 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: things out. It has to be done on the fly. 606 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: Now you can take your time. 607 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense. He's gonna have a full, healthy offseason. 608 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 4: That's what you'd expect. You'd expect to see drastic jumps 609 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 4: from your franchise quarterback having a first full offseason with 610 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 4: this coaching staff. And it's very different having to spend 611 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 4: an offseason rehabbing not able to be on the field 612 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 4: even really to throw a football. And now he has 613 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 4: an entire offseason to do that. He has an entire 614 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 4: offseason to continue working on the connections in the chemistry 615 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 4: with his receiver of Trey McBride, which we just saw 616 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 4: skyrocket once Kyler came back last season of that connection 617 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 4: with his number one tight end, Michael Wilson. There was 618 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 4: a patch, understandably so last year of Wilson and his 619 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 4: rookie year kind of still adjusting to everything and having 620 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 4: to go through what three or four quarterbacks before he 621 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: gets to Kyler Murray. And you could see that connection 622 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 4: really start to hit a little more the final few 623 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 4: games of the season. So now that we've seen that 624 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 4: they've been practicing together in the offseason, I would expect 625 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 4: that to continue to grow. And I just think having 626 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 4: some consistency in the offensive line again will also help 627 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 4: Kyler of another year with Yell Defroholdt as Kyler continues 628 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 4: to be under center more than he has in his career, 629 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 4: more comfort with Paris Johnson Junior again, another full off 630 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 4: season of having your right tackle. There's just there's a 631 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 4: lot of aspects that are going to go into what 632 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 4: I would expect to be a jump from Kyler Murray 633 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 4: from last year to this year. 634 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: And all these questions that we have won't get answered 635 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: until maybe training camp, late training camp, preseason, or maybe 636 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 1: not even until week one. 637 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: I know Jonathan Gannon is. 638 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Already on record saying, hey, don't ask me about any 639 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: starting positions, same thing that he did a year ago. 640 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: But we're going to get a little bit of an 641 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: idea at least where guys are positioned and then where 642 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: they might fit. We're just not going to know perhaps 643 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: complete starting units. We'll have a pretty good idea. But 644 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm curious on how how much change, how 645 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: much is the same, and how much how much subtle 646 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: things are there from last year to this year. With 647 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: the roster continuing to expand, with players that they are 648 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: bringing in as a opposed to that they. 649 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 4: Inherited, I think the offense is going to look the 650 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 4: exact same with the exception of possibly left guard, and 651 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 4: I think the defense is going to look entirely different 652 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 4: with the exception of your starting safeties. Truly, I mean, 653 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 4: Kai's you're white, but even then, of how many linebackers 654 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 4: do you have out there right, how many D linemen 655 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 4: are you having out there? What sort of formation? Like? 656 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 4: I really see everything with the exception of Buddha Baker 657 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 4: and Jalen Thompson as your starting safeties being different on 658 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 4: the defense. 659 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: That's fair because you're right outside of Kaisierre White. You 660 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: could see any number of changes along that defensive line, 661 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: outside linebackers, and which best eleven, as Nick Rowlis like 662 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: to say, will be out there each and every week. 663 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 3: So it should be a lot of fun. All right, 664 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: anything else before we close up shop here? All good? 665 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 666 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 3: Okay, thanks are good. 667 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad the fact that we now have players to 668 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: talk about and we actually get to see them on 669 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: the field beginning next week and then in a couple 670 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: of weeks seeing the veterans on the football field and 671 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: have a different kind of speculation as opposed to, Hey, 672 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: what do they do with the fourth pick and trade 673 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: down acquire more assets? 674 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm done with that. 675 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 4: I got bad news for you, Craig. It's going to 676 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 4: happen next year after that. 677 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: But that's next after that. 678 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: I don't have to do that tomorrow or next week 679 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: or next month. I actually have seven eight months to 680 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: worry about that until we get to that point. 681 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 4: Correcngratulations. 682 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that's good. 683 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: I don't need any mock draft simulators or anything like 684 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: that that people keep bringing up around the office. 685 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: Too soon, Danny, too soon. 686 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 4: I'm not the one who did it. Don't don't come 687 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 4: to me with that no, I will speak. 688 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 3: To that individual little later day. All right. 689 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lid on this 690 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner 691 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to everyone 692 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: involved behind the scenes, our executive producer Jim mo More, 693 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: our associate producer Cody Fincher. For Danny surek, I'm Greg 694 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: Rial Lou. We'll talk to you next time you're on 695 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two.