WEBVTT - Keri Russell & Matthew Rhys 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.160 Looking out in the River Cafe. I'm always happy to 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.920 see couples having a great time, but I also know 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:09.280 that every table has a story. A child who just 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.239 received a degree, a colleague at work who might be 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:17.400 changing jobs, a marriage proposal or a separation. I met 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.880 the couple Carrie Russell and Matthew Reese when they were 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:25.160 playing a couple Philip and Elizabeth Jennings in my favorite 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:29.240 TV series, The Americans, and I watched their story through 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.680 thick and Thin for six years. It was there for 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.080 a big moment for me seeing them sitting at a 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.760 table in the River Cafe. They were with my friend, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.519 Ambassador Jane Hartley, who loves Carrie, playing a sort of 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:47.239 her in the Diplomat. Today we were here at a 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.199 home in New York City to talk about all this 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:57.960 and more. You are our first couple, yeah, they I 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:05.839 know it's true. It'll be fun that way. Yeah, Rogers, 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.920 I have said to you before we put the MIC's on, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.800 how amazing it is that you came up down downtown. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.840 Do you like uptown downtown? Did you ever think of 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:16.560 living uptown? 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.240 I didn't personally know, did you No? 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.920 But we took the train up here together and it's 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:26.080 just you feel like uptown just feels like you're in 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:27.280 a movie in a New York. 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:27.679 New York. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.160 Yeah, I think when people say where should I stay 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.560 in New York? I was as an American, I love 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.520 staying downtown. But then I think, if you're coming to 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.959 New York for the first time, Central Park, the high buildings, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:47.240 the density, the avenues, Park Avenue, so New York for 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:48.040 that first. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.160 Yeah, I totally agree. That hit again when we came 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.040 out of the subway, when your borough is is so 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.200 alien to this, when you kind of go, what in 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.520 New York? I know it sounds stupid. I go, Manhattan 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.040 brings my that magic again? Or you think of the 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.840 movies you're saw growing up. You see the park again 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.400 in a way you haven't seen it, and you just go, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.239 I'm always I'm always kind of falling in love again 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:11.080 with this city. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.520 It's so romantic. Yeah, you know, seeing everyone dressed in 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.280 nice clothes here, yeah, all over no where we live, 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.040 it's like, you know, we're all sweatpants taking our kids 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:22.480 to school. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.680 So what we thought, Mike do is start with a recipe. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.360 And the recipe I understood that you would like to 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:34.800 read is a lot to do with sage like sage. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:36.080 But yes, in. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:40.040 Fact, if you could spread butter on say a leaf 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:41.359 of sage kind of be. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:48.040 Already there is that a piece of stage that you've 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.320 plucked from a plant or that you've bought, you grow 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:50.920 it a little bit. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.959 We don't. We tried. We work with our children. It's 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:56.880 like it's like trying to grow something in within a 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.280 family of chimps. Everything is plucked or ripped or or 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.760 torn or destroyed before you go. You're constantly going who 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.480 did this? Who pulled the stage? 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:06.880 When I take that stage. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.799 We were growing this. Yeah, so it never never seems 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.400 to last. So we do, we do shamefully. But we 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.520 have a great farmer's market by us which we we 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.799 get a lot of the hoops from. And yees, sage 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.960 and butter is a is a is a heady mix. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.160 It's a it's a great source of comfort. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.360 I love butter. We can talk about better later because 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.440 I always say that as Italian chefs, we're supposed to 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.240 and we do love olive oil and that is you know, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.680 that is the ingredient, you know. And so when people 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:34.240 say what do you want to have in your in 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.920 your cupboard. I would never say I have kil of 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.040 Italian butter. I'd usually say a bottle of extra Version 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.000 olive oil. But butter is like it is. But I 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:44.960 think we should just do a podcast called butter. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.280 Tally Tally with portin a my butchering tally tally. I 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.839 got it right, that's it. With Porcini and sage, will 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:53.800 begin with. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:54.960 Oh okay, is that me? 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:55.320 Yes? 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.120 Three hundred and fifty grand dried taglia. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.040 Thirty five grands have dried porcini mus. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.160 Rooms, eight fresh sage leaves finely sliced. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:08.280 Or could be sixteen, who knows. Two thousand grams of 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.960 unsulted butter. Oh sorry, one hundred grams of unsalted butter. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.960 Two garlic cloves peeled and crushed. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:20.920 Another family favorite. One dried red chili crumbled like us for. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.240 Like me, especially today. Yes, I had a little too 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.760 much wine last night. It's rough, a little fragile. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.440 I'm getting it through a Yeah, maybe you should have 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:30.640 another classify. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.680 Maybe probably probably only way way. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.560 Four tablespoons double cream. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.200 And the zest and juice of one lemon. Do we 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:40.080 continue on to go away? 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.760 I've been nice to know how to make it. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.080 No, then you just get all that stuff. Yes, how 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.440 you make it's your problem. Good luck. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.160 Expect me to write a book and tell you how 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:50.799 to do something. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:52.880 It's really rude like me to tell you to live 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.080 your lives. Yes, happy hunting. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.240 Soak the mushrooms in hot water for twenty minutes. Oh see, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:00.359 that's why you're magic. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.839 Yes, you see. Then drain the porcini, keeping the liquid 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.119 and roughly chop strain the liquid through a sieve lined 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:08.880 with kitchen paper to remove the grit. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.840 Melt the butter in a thick bottomed pan. Add the garlic, sage, 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.120 and chili and fry gently until the garlic is soft. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.760 Add the porcini and stir to combine. Oh my god, 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:20.400 this is so good. 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.039 This is working already. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:22.760 This is what I need. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:23.600 Is all I need? 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.000 Yes, cook for fifteen minutes. When the porcini is soft, 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.279 stir in the cream, lemon, zest and juice, and season. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.800 Cook the tagliae in boiling salted water until aldente. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.480 Then drain, add to the sauce, toss well, pour wine, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.680 drink and enjoy. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.240 Good And so tell me about cooking. And do you 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.920 make tagutailey? Do you make a little pasta with the kids. 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.080 Well, pasta is the absolute staple of our house, the 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.640 absolute staple, as I'm sure it is for many people 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.960 with young children. However, I've been out for some beautiful 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:04.040 dinners with Carien and she's come home and then made 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.240 a bowl of pasta with butter and stage and I, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:12.240 with great genuine wonderment, go way, way way, and how 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.280 sometimes you do come home hungry? 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.840 Thanks. Yeah, I love the food when I eat it. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:20.240 And then if we've stayed up, if miraculously I've made 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.159 it awake beyond nine pm, which is difficult for me 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:24.880 by ten thirty. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:29.120 Any More, food, did you discover early on the food 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.159 that you ate affected the way you acted? So that 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.359 would you find that if you're doing a scene that 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.440 you would want to be not full of food or 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.560 you wanted to eat you know? And also if you ask, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.720 this is a load of many questions directors. They never 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:44.640 want to stop food. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.359 I just want to stop and thinking that there was 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.680 one French director when I worked in France. There's one 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:54.400 French director I worked with who is just a true gastro. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.880 What's the word I'm looking for? Yeah, he was like 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.960 he was like no, he sit down for one hour, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.680 one hour half, we have a nice launch, and he goes, 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.680 it's not like America where you get one plate and 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.800 you put sushi on it and a burger and salad, 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.360 French fries and you put all mess on one plate. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.560 This terrible one thing. Yes, And then so we went 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.800 into this beautiful tent. There's there's long trestle tables with 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.320 white linen, classes wine on that. I was like this 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.320 first day, I was like, oh my god, where am I? 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.480 And we all sat down and I'm next to the 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.160 director and I said, I said, I said, do we choose? 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.400 Is there a menu? Because no, they will come and 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.840 put it in front of you, and it's sort of 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:37.960 like this sort of yeah, this sort of you know, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.680 duck liver put down in front of us. And I went, 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.120 but what if you're a vegetarian? And he took a 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:54.760 second and just went, sorry, that was was. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.920 That the one? I mean? But normally what happens, Well. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:04.160 I think we can both confirm that I mostly donuts. 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:09.000 Donut fiend she can inhale them not so much anymore. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.680 But when we were doing The Americans, we were shooting 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:17.200 that here in New York and often in winter outside 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.320 night and I would inhale donut. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:25.840 I became your kind of true comfort and seemingly engine fuels. 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.280 Yeah, I'm sure that was really good for my health. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:37.480 Can we as we mentioned it? You know my obsession Americans? No, really, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:38.960 I have to say, you know, I've loved them all. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.640 I you know what people said to Richard, when do 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:44.600 you have time to watch so much? But you know 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.320 it wasn't but we watched a lot. But for me, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.520 it is the pinnacle. It just was. It was about family, 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.280 It was about marriage, it was about secrecy, it was 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.400 about loyalty. But I think that there were so many 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:02.880 aspects of the American and so that was just stunning, beautful. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.959 And there were meal times it was a domestic setting. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.960 There was the times when the kids would go next 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:13.120 door and eat something or be at a table. Was 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:14.800 your feeling about that? 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.960 There was definitely thought, a lot of thought, possibly more 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.000 by the writers about when when it seemed when it 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.880 was meant to be presented as an excess, that that 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.360 Philip Elizabeth might go or Elizabeth possibly I won't speak 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.480 on your behalf might go my you know, might be 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.400 post or repelled by it, by the indulgence of it, 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.720 or the excess of it. There was actually an episode 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:43.080 I directed when Martha is being relocated to you know, 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.320 one of the characters being relocated to Moscow for helping 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:50.280 the kdub And it was a very brief moment, but 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.559 I just I just put in this moment where she's 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:57.480 eating peanut butter on toast and wondering kind of yes, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.600 what her life will be, And it was kind of 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.560 one of those things I just kind of planted in 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.800 as to the just as the choice that we have 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.480 in comparison to what may have happened. I mean, the 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.960 meal times were always always kind of pandemonium because it 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:15.959 was always when the set fell apart, do you know 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.840 what I mean? Because you're in that one concentrated day 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:23.240 for so long, everyon goes a little crazy. Everyone is 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.320 trying to figure out how to eat without eating. 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.679 Because you shoot obviously that scene that is you know, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.839 five minutes, you have to shoot it over four six 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.240 hours because you have to shoot everyone's coverage of it. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:41.080 So yeah, yeah, And what about now when you're in 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:41.800 the Diplomat. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.000 Well, one of the fun things about The Diplomat is 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.360 the writer who I just I love so much, Debora Khan, 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.800 who created the show, and she puts it in very specifically. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.000 She wants the character to eat like really messy, like 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.560 just constantly be like shoving like food in her face 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.480 and like eat really messy, like a you know, have 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.960 no manners and like a dude, which I think is 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.080 really fun, but it gross. It's gross too because you 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.439 have to continually eat. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.400 I know, I do. I appreciate that. On The Diplomat 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.160 you do eat. We always I think a lot of 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.920 actors always talk about people those actors who do eat 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.560 on screen and those who can see kind of nibbling 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.920 on cucumber. And I'm always I'm always, I'm always on this. 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.920 I'm always on this. So I remember Noah Emeric and 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.520 I had this one scene in The Americans when we 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.280 ate pizza, and I directed at the time, said, listen, 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.480 I really want to see you eat. And we really 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.240 to map it out, like the length of the scene, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.800 how long you'll shoot coverage wise when and we ate 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.079 it goes, I want to see you swallow the pizza. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.800 I don't want chewing. And then we cut away and 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.000 then spit bucket and we were like, okay, we'll go 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.360 for it. And I had I was sweating. I had 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.240 so much dough in my stomach. At the end, I 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.160 was like, I don't I don't feel well. I don't 0:11:58.160 --> 0:11:59.080 feel well. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.520 Did you know The River Cafe has a shop. It's 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.840 full of our favorite foods and designs. We have cookbooks, linen, napkins, 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.920 kitchen ware, tote bags with our signatures, glasses from Venice, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.160 chocolates from Turin. You can find us right next door 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:22.640 to the River Cafe in London or online at Shopthrivercafe 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:32.439 dot co dot uk. So growing up and we can 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.040 figure this out if one of you wants to go first, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.960 so you can talk to each other about because I 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:41.000 assume you didn't grow up together, but you grab maybe 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.360 you did. You met in the hospital, little beds. Okay, 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.440 that was it, So you sort of started out with milk. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.640 But what was it like in mobile to carry? What 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:52.720 was it like in your household? 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:57.760 My mom wasn't the best cook or anything like that, 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.839 but what she was great at was you know, my 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.080 dad traveled a lot, so it was he was just 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.599 like a suit for like a car company, so he 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.280 would get in the car and drive multiple places. And 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.720 it was my mom and three kids, four nights a week, 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.120 and even though she wasn't such a great cook, what 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.400 she was was just you know, like, do you want 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.320 pancakes tonight? Eating pancakes tonight. There were no rules and 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.400 there weren't that the magic of that was really nice 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.680 to grow up with. That being said, I really noticed 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.520 when there was good cooking that you know, a friend's 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.960 house or something, and no disrespect to my mom at all. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.960 But I loved mothers who really spent time, and I 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.360 remember watching them cook and the way, we know, loving 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.560 that whole feeling. And then as I grew up, I 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.240 guess I, oh, both my grandmothers were great cooks. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:56.400 Grandmothers. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.160 Yeah, it's funny because they're very different. They were raised 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:04.120 in completely different places, but they both made an incredible 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:09.360 homemade chicken doodle soup, so that I definitely remember. My 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.480 dad's mom was a bit more of the kind of 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.679 elaborate meals than there were rules, and people dressed nice, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.479 and I remember, you know, just kind of more fabulous 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.280 people coming over to dinner parties and things like that, which. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:23.960 Was all there as fair. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.840 And they both the grandmothers ended up living in California, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.800 so we would you know, drive town say I'm sort 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.840 of kind of near each other as they retired. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.680 Yeah, you always said you can always remember you remember 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.080 the clink of ice, because cocktails were always big. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.960 You know, like the tumblers like and ladies wearing like 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.560 nice slacks with painted nails. My mom was a little 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.240 bit more of a hippie and so that was also 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:48.680 kind of exotic to me. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:55.000 Would you sit down to you add to your brothers sisters. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.520 I'm the middle, so I have an older brother and 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:57.200 a younger sister. 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.320 Yeah. And so with meal times, even though you might 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.200 have pancakes or something, yeah, kind of that's our was 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.880 it always expected that you would sit down. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:04.160 Yeah. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.960 We always ate together and it was a really easy, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.160 not stressful, you know, really kind of loving and fun 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:15.720 and imaginative time. She was a really good mom in 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.160 that way. And yeah, we all ate together, and our 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:24.480 family we really make a point. Yeah, maybe even though 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.840 our teenager doesn't always love it. We eat really early, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:32.320 like six thirty six, and I like that. Everyone comes home, 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.400 you have to eat and you can do anything after, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.240 but we all sit together. And yes, I mean. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.120 When you said that you envied the kids that you 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.640 liked going to my son, I have to tell you 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.680 once called me up. He went to the American school 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.440 and he called me up. He said, Mom, can you 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.520 come over to Tedwood Square, which is a square right 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.880 around the corner from where we live, to my friend's house. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.720 And I said why and he said, well, I just 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.000 like to show you what a good mother's fridge looks like. 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.320 First of all, I don't know how to unpie clous 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.840 statement because saying that to you. 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:09.440 Exactly because if you opened our fridge, you see, you'd 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.360 see a piece of parme, see some beans that have 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.600 been cooked, and then you know those American. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:15.560 Yes double double. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.280 These people had that, and there was just you know, 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.160 I didn't go, So I don't know because would I go, No, 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.480 good mother. I like the idea of your grandmother. And 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.480 the cocktails. I think cocktails are really that is a 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.400 cultural phenom, don't you think, Matthew? Eventually did you have 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:32.480 cocktails and whales? 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.800 Not so much cocktails. The staples I think for my 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.640 parents were sherry. There was always a kickoff. Was always 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.720 a sherry and then and then wine with the meal. Yes, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.000 or it was either a shabby kickoff or a gin 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:47.080 and tonic kickoff. 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.800 Was just for a dinner party. That was entertaining. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.200 Yeah, shatis were usually Sundays and then sort of you know, 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.400 the gen tonics were usually kind of for dinner parties 0:16:55.600 --> 0:17:00.480 or sometimes Sundays also. But but my day or to 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.840 use it, well, actually any any any day and ending 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.080 in a why but my mother, my mother did look, 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.359 she loved to cook and there's a good cook and 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.600 love to entertain as well. So we did, you know, 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.000 we certainly grew up with that being instilled that we Saturday, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.400 you know, everyone sat on the table and and and 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.119 I know I've become the stickler in our house about 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.360 table etiquette, about the table. I mean, but we're down 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.520 to basics at this point. We're like, maybe to. 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:25.000 Use a fork. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.760 That's a big one. That's a big one. Yes, we 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:28.280 have to. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.320 This is scary if I come to dinner to. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.240 Oh, good grief, yes, my god. Yeah, there's a spoon 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.520 for knuckles. But ilse still have to do no nothing, 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.760 nothing crazy. I'm a little too crazy about the holding 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.399 of knife and fork. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.320 That is another cultural difference. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.160 Yes, yes, My big thing is it's not a pen. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.760 I'm like, it's not are you writing with that knife? 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:51.480 It's not a pen? 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.200 And then Americans put their knife down. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.600 Yes, when they eat and then so the far more selective, 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:03.600 which is why, which is why meals take hours? Yes, lord, 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.360 can we mind dying the dessert? 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.960 Okay, So back to the etiquette at the at the house. 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:10.359 We have to sit down at the table and use 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:11.159 our knife and fork. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.359 Correctly, and then and then and then and then you know, 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.280 then went into then went to the second phase, which 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.480 is conversation, which can you please can you please ask 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:21.520 a sibling a question? 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.919 Well, you know, Joe Biden, I interviewed his sister and 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.080 she talked about meal times at the Biden household, and 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.520 everybody had to go around the table and talk about 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:31.480 their day. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:32.640 And I'm with them. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.480 There we are, and he became President of the States. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.920 Of course, this could also end up with somebody who 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:39.400 just dreads meals. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.640 You know, that's my hope for the children. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:44.320 I think I think we're succeeding. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.360 Then I think we've succeeded. I think I think we've 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:51.840 nailed it. Yeah, So the we've set aside money for 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.640 their therapy so they can say we used to dreaded 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.200 times were it was it was positive. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:05.320 River especially by the time we come around to him, Well, 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:06.240 how was your day? 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.040 Yeah, just like it's like, what's the minimum I can 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.960 say that, get me away from this table as quickly 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:11.320 and get. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.240 It done as quickly as quickly so the meal time. 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.280 So you so growing up you had they but actually 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.639 it's interesting that you had wine your parents. Was that 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:21.679 only for entertaining or. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:23.880 No, they have wine? Did have mine themselves? 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:24.120 Yeah? 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.159 Yeah, they enjoyed wine. I mean the culmination of the 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.919 week was always the Sunday roast and that was everything 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.679 kind of everything. You know, we'd go into the dining 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:35.159 room for that, do you know what I mean? And 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.720 it was always Where did you grow up in Cardiff 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.760 and Wales? Was that like my parents were teachers and 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.680 then my father became a principal of. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:44.679 A Welsh speaking school. 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.600 Yes, yes, so, and you know, I think the Welsh, 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.440 like a lot of the Celtcer, kind of very culturally 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:55.479 minded in order to kind of keep their own culture alive. 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.879 So culture was a big element in the house. Music 0:19:59.000 --> 0:19:59.359 was big. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:01.920 You say it was a Welsh speaking school. Did they 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:03.680 speak anything other than most in. 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.680 The school nor English? Lessons were in English, but that 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:08.639 was it. Everything else is taught in the medium. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.480