1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Looking out in the River Cafe. I'm always happy to 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: see couples having a great time, but I also know 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: that every table has a story. A child who just 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: received a degree, a colleague at work who might be 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: changing jobs, a marriage proposal or a separation. I met 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: the couple Carrie Russell and Matthew Reese when they were 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: playing a couple Philip and Elizabeth Jennings in my favorite 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: TV series, The Americans, and I watched their story through 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: thick and Thin for six years. It was there for 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: a big moment for me seeing them sitting at a 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: table in the River Cafe. They were with my friend, 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: Ambassador Jane Hartley, who loves Carrie, playing a sort of 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: her in the Diplomat. Today we were here at a 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: home in New York City to talk about all this 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: and more. You are our first couple, yeah, they I 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: know it's true. It'll be fun that way. Yeah, Rogers, 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: I have said to you before we put the MIC's on, 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: how amazing it is that you came up down downtown. 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: Do you like uptown downtown? Did you ever think of 20 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: living uptown? 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: I didn't personally know, did you No? 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: But we took the train up here together and it's 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: just you feel like uptown just feels like you're in 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: a movie in a New York. 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: New York. 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when people say where should I stay 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: in New York? I was as an American, I love 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: staying downtown. But then I think, if you're coming to 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: New York for the first time, Central Park, the high buildings, 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: the density, the avenues, Park Avenue, so New York for 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: that first. 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. That hit again when we came 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: out of the subway, when your borough is is so 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: alien to this, when you kind of go, what in 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: New York? I know it sounds stupid. I go, Manhattan 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: brings my that magic again? Or you think of the 37 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: movies you're saw growing up. You see the park again 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: in a way you haven't seen it, and you just go, 39 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: I'm always I'm always kind of falling in love again 40 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: with this city. 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: It's so romantic. Yeah, you know, seeing everyone dressed in 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: nice clothes here, yeah, all over no where we live, 43 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: it's like, you know, we're all sweatpants taking our kids 44 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: to school. 45 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: So what we thought, Mike do is start with a recipe. 46 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: And the recipe I understood that you would like to 47 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: read is a lot to do with sage like sage. 48 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: But yes, in. 49 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: Fact, if you could spread butter on say a leaf 50 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: of sage kind of be. 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: Already there is that a piece of stage that you've 52 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: plucked from a plant or that you've bought, you grow 53 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: it a little bit. 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 2: We don't. We tried. We work with our children. It's 55 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: like it's like trying to grow something in within a 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: family of chimps. Everything is plucked or ripped or or 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: torn or destroyed before you go. You're constantly going who 58 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: did this? Who pulled the stage? 59 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: When I take that stage. 60 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 2: We were growing this. Yeah, so it never never seems 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: to last. So we do, we do shamefully. But we 62 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: have a great farmer's market by us which we we 63 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: get a lot of the hoops from. And yees, sage 64 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: and butter is a is a is a heady mix. 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: It's a it's a great source of comfort. 66 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: I love butter. We can talk about better later because 67 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: I always say that as Italian chefs, we're supposed to 68 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: and we do love olive oil and that is you know, 69 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: that is the ingredient, you know. And so when people 70 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: say what do you want to have in your in 71 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: your cupboard. I would never say I have kil of 72 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: Italian butter. I'd usually say a bottle of extra Version 73 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: olive oil. But butter is like it is. But I 74 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: think we should just do a podcast called butter. 75 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: Tally Tally with portin a my butchering tally tally. I 76 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,839 Speaker 2: got it right, that's it. With Porcini and sage, will 77 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: begin with. 78 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: Oh okay, is that me? 79 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: Yes? 80 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: Three hundred and fifty grand dried taglia. 81 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 2: Thirty five grands have dried porcini mus. 82 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: Rooms, eight fresh sage leaves finely sliced. 83 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: Or could be sixteen, who knows. Two thousand grams of 84 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: unsulted butter. Oh sorry, one hundred grams of unsalted butter. 85 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: Two garlic cloves peeled and crushed. 86 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: Another family favorite. One dried red chili crumbled like us for. 87 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: Like me, especially today. Yes, I had a little too 88 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: much wine last night. It's rough, a little fragile. 89 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting it through a Yeah, maybe you should have 90 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: another classify. 91 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: Maybe probably probably only way way. 92 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: Four tablespoons double cream. 93 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: And the zest and juice of one lemon. Do we 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: continue on to go away? 95 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: I've been nice to know how to make it. 96 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: No, then you just get all that stuff. Yes, how 97 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: you make it's your problem. Good luck. 98 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: Expect me to write a book and tell you how 99 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: to do something. 100 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: It's really rude like me to tell you to live 101 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: your lives. Yes, happy hunting. 102 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: Soak the mushrooms in hot water for twenty minutes. Oh see, 103 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: that's why you're magic. 104 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: Yes, you see. Then drain the porcini, keeping the liquid 105 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,119 Speaker 2: and roughly chop strain the liquid through a sieve lined 106 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: with kitchen paper to remove the grit. 107 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 3: Melt the butter in a thick bottomed pan. Add the garlic, sage, 108 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: and chili and fry gently until the garlic is soft. 109 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: Add the porcini and stir to combine. Oh my god, 110 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: this is so good. 111 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: This is working already. 112 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: This is what I need. 113 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: Is all I need? 114 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: Yes, cook for fifteen minutes. When the porcini is soft, 115 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: stir in the cream, lemon, zest and juice, and season. 116 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: Cook the tagliae in boiling salted water until aldente. 117 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: Then drain, add to the sauce, toss well, pour wine, 118 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: drink and enjoy. 119 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: Good And so tell me about cooking. And do you 120 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: make tagutailey? Do you make a little pasta with the kids. 121 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: Well, pasta is the absolute staple of our house, the 122 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: absolute staple, as I'm sure it is for many people 123 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: with young children. However, I've been out for some beautiful 124 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: dinners with Carien and she's come home and then made 125 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: a bowl of pasta with butter and stage and I, 126 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: with great genuine wonderment, go way, way way, and how 127 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: sometimes you do come home hungry? 128 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: Thanks. Yeah, I love the food when I eat it. 129 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: And then if we've stayed up, if miraculously I've made 130 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 3: it awake beyond nine pm, which is difficult for me 131 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: by ten thirty. 132 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: Any More, food, did you discover early on the food 133 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: that you ate affected the way you acted? So that 134 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: would you find that if you're doing a scene that 135 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: you would want to be not full of food or 136 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: you wanted to eat you know? And also if you ask, 137 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: this is a load of many questions directors. They never 138 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: want to stop food. 139 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: I just want to stop and thinking that there was 140 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: one French director when I worked in France. There's one 141 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: French director I worked with who is just a true gastro. 142 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: What's the word I'm looking for? Yeah, he was like 143 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: he was like no, he sit down for one hour, 144 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: one hour half, we have a nice launch, and he goes, 145 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: it's not like America where you get one plate and 146 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: you put sushi on it and a burger and salad, 147 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: French fries and you put all mess on one plate. 148 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: This terrible one thing. Yes, And then so we went 149 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: into this beautiful tent. There's there's long trestle tables with 150 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: white linen, classes wine on that. I was like this 151 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: first day, I was like, oh my god, where am I? 152 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: And we all sat down and I'm next to the 153 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: director and I said, I said, I said, do we choose? 154 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: Is there a menu? Because no, they will come and 155 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: put it in front of you, and it's sort of 156 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: like this sort of yeah, this sort of you know, 157 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: duck liver put down in front of us. And I went, 158 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: but what if you're a vegetarian? And he took a 159 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: second and just went, sorry, that was was. 160 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: That the one? I mean? But normally what happens, Well. 161 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: I think we can both confirm that I mostly donuts. 162 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: Donut fiend she can inhale them not so much anymore. 163 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: But when we were doing The Americans, we were shooting 164 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: that here in New York and often in winter outside 165 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: night and I would inhale donut. 166 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: I became your kind of true comfort and seemingly engine fuels. 167 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that was really good for my health. 168 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: Can we as we mentioned it? You know my obsession Americans? No, really, 169 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: I have to say, you know, I've loved them all. 170 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: I you know what people said to Richard, when do 171 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: you have time to watch so much? But you know 172 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't but we watched a lot. But for me, 173 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: it is the pinnacle. It just was. It was about family, 174 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: It was about marriage, it was about secrecy, it was 175 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: about loyalty. But I think that there were so many 176 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: aspects of the American and so that was just stunning, beautful. 177 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: And there were meal times it was a domestic setting. 178 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: There was the times when the kids would go next 179 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: door and eat something or be at a table. Was 180 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: your feeling about that? 181 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: There was definitely thought, a lot of thought, possibly more 182 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: by the writers about when when it seemed when it 183 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: was meant to be presented as an excess, that that 184 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: Philip Elizabeth might go or Elizabeth possibly I won't speak 185 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: on your behalf might go my you know, might be 186 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: post or repelled by it, by the indulgence of it, 187 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: or the excess of it. There was actually an episode 188 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: I directed when Martha is being relocated to you know, 189 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: one of the characters being relocated to Moscow for helping 190 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: the kdub And it was a very brief moment, but 191 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: I just I just put in this moment where she's 192 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: eating peanut butter on toast and wondering kind of yes, 193 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: what her life will be, And it was kind of 194 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: one of those things I just kind of planted in 195 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: as to the just as the choice that we have 196 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: in comparison to what may have happened. I mean, the 197 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: meal times were always always kind of pandemonium because it 198 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: was always when the set fell apart, do you know 199 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: what I mean? Because you're in that one concentrated day 200 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: for so long, everyon goes a little crazy. Everyone is 201 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to eat without eating. 202 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: Because you shoot obviously that scene that is you know, 203 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 3: five minutes, you have to shoot it over four six 204 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: hours because you have to shoot everyone's coverage of it. 205 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, And what about now when you're in 206 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: the Diplomat. 207 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: Well, one of the fun things about The Diplomat is 208 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: the writer who I just I love so much, Debora Khan, 209 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: who created the show, and she puts it in very specifically. 210 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: She wants the character to eat like really messy, like 211 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: just constantly be like shoving like food in her face 212 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: and like eat really messy, like a you know, have 213 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: no manners and like a dude, which I think is 214 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: really fun, but it gross. It's gross too because you 215 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 3: have to continually eat. 216 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: I know, I do. I appreciate that. On The Diplomat 217 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: you do eat. We always I think a lot of 218 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: actors always talk about people those actors who do eat 219 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: on screen and those who can see kind of nibbling 220 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: on cucumber. And I'm always I'm always, I'm always on this. 221 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: I'm always on this. So I remember Noah Emeric and 222 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: I had this one scene in The Americans when we 223 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: ate pizza, and I directed at the time, said, listen, 224 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: I really want to see you eat. And we really 225 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: to map it out, like the length of the scene, 226 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: how long you'll shoot coverage wise when and we ate 227 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 2: it goes, I want to see you swallow the pizza. 228 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: I don't want chewing. And then we cut away and 229 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: then spit bucket and we were like, okay, we'll go 230 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: for it. And I had I was sweating. I had 231 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: so much dough in my stomach. At the end, I 232 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: was like, I don't I don't feel well. I don't 233 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: feel well. 234 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: Did you know The River Cafe has a shop. It's 235 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: full of our favorite foods and designs. We have cookbooks, linen, napkins, 236 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: kitchen ware, tote bags with our signatures, glasses from Venice, 237 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: chocolates from Turin. You can find us right next door 238 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: to the River Cafe in London or online at Shopthrivercafe 239 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: dot co dot uk. So growing up and we can 240 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: figure this out if one of you wants to go first, 241 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: so you can talk to each other about because I 242 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: assume you didn't grow up together, but you grab maybe 243 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: you did. You met in the hospital, little beds. Okay, 244 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: that was it, So you sort of started out with milk. 245 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: But what was it like in mobile to carry? What 246 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: was it like in your household? 247 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: My mom wasn't the best cook or anything like that, 248 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 3: but what she was great at was you know, my 249 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 3: dad traveled a lot, so it was he was just 250 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 3: like a suit for like a car company, so he 251 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: would get in the car and drive multiple places. And 252 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: it was my mom and three kids, four nights a week, 253 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: and even though she wasn't such a great cook, what 254 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: she was was just you know, like, do you want 255 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 3: pancakes tonight? Eating pancakes tonight. There were no rules and 256 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: there weren't that the magic of that was really nice 257 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: to grow up with. That being said, I really noticed 258 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: when there was good cooking that you know, a friend's 259 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: house or something, and no disrespect to my mom at all. 260 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: But I loved mothers who really spent time, and I 261 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: remember watching them cook and the way, we know, loving 262 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 3: that whole feeling. And then as I grew up, I 263 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: guess I, oh, both my grandmothers were great cooks. 264 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: Grandmothers. 265 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because they're very different. They were raised 266 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: in completely different places, but they both made an incredible 267 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: homemade chicken doodle soup, so that I definitely remember. My 268 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: dad's mom was a bit more of the kind of 269 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 3: elaborate meals than there were rules, and people dressed nice, 270 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,479 Speaker 3: and I remember, you know, just kind of more fabulous 271 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: people coming over to dinner parties and things like that, which. 272 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: Was all there as fair. 273 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: And they both the grandmothers ended up living in California, 274 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: so we would you know, drive town say I'm sort 275 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: of kind of near each other as they retired. 276 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you always said you can always remember you remember 277 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: the clink of ice, because cocktails were always big. 278 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: You know, like the tumblers like and ladies wearing like 279 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: nice slacks with painted nails. My mom was a little 280 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: bit more of a hippie and so that was also 281 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: kind of exotic to me. 282 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: Would you sit down to you add to your brothers sisters. 283 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: I'm the middle, so I have an older brother and 284 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: a younger sister. 285 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so with meal times, even though you might 286 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: have pancakes or something, yeah, kind of that's our was 287 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: it always expected that you would sit down. 288 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 289 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: We always ate together and it was a really easy, 290 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: not stressful, you know, really kind of loving and fun 291 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: and imaginative time. She was a really good mom in 292 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: that way. And yeah, we all ate together, and our 293 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: family we really make a point. Yeah, maybe even though 294 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: our teenager doesn't always love it. We eat really early, 295 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: like six thirty six, and I like that. Everyone comes home, 296 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: you have to eat and you can do anything after, 297 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: but we all sit together. And yes, I mean. 298 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: When you said that you envied the kids that you 299 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: liked going to my son, I have to tell you 300 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: once called me up. He went to the American school 301 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: and he called me up. He said, Mom, can you 302 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: come over to Tedwood Square, which is a square right 303 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: around the corner from where we live, to my friend's house. 304 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: And I said why and he said, well, I just 305 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: like to show you what a good mother's fridge looks like. 306 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: First of all, I don't know how to unpie clous 307 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: statement because saying that to you. 308 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: Exactly because if you opened our fridge, you see, you'd 309 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: see a piece of parme, see some beans that have 310 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: been cooked, and then you know those American. 311 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: Yes double double. 312 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: These people had that, and there was just you know, 313 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: I didn't go, So I don't know because would I go, No, 314 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: good mother. I like the idea of your grandmother. And 315 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: the cocktails. I think cocktails are really that is a 316 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: cultural phenom, don't you think, Matthew? Eventually did you have 317 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: cocktails and whales? 318 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: Not so much cocktails. The staples I think for my 319 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: parents were sherry. There was always a kickoff. Was always 320 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: a sherry and then and then wine with the meal. Yes, 321 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: or it was either a shabby kickoff or a gin 322 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: and tonic kickoff. 323 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: Was just for a dinner party. That was entertaining. 324 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, shatis were usually Sundays and then sort of you know, 325 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: the gen tonics were usually kind of for dinner parties 326 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: or sometimes Sundays also. But but my day or to 327 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: use it, well, actually any any any day and ending 328 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: in a why but my mother, my mother did look, 329 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: she loved to cook and there's a good cook and 330 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: love to entertain as well. So we did, you know, 331 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: we certainly grew up with that being instilled that we Saturday, 332 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: you know, everyone sat on the table and and and 333 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 2: I know I've become the stickler in our house about 334 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 2: table etiquette, about the table. I mean, but we're down 335 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: to basics at this point. We're like, maybe to. 336 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: Use a fork. 337 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: That's a big one. That's a big one. Yes, we 338 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: have to. 339 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: This is scary if I come to dinner to. 340 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: Oh, good grief, yes, my god. Yeah, there's a spoon 341 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: for knuckles. But ilse still have to do no nothing, 342 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: nothing crazy. I'm a little too crazy about the holding 343 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: of knife and fork. 344 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: That is another cultural difference. 345 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, My big thing is it's not a pen. 346 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not are you writing with that knife? 347 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: It's not a pen? 348 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: And then Americans put their knife down. 349 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: Yes, when they eat and then so the far more selective, 350 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: which is why, which is why meals take hours? Yes, lord, 351 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 2: can we mind dying the dessert? 352 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So back to the etiquette at the at the house. 353 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: We have to sit down at the table and use 354 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: our knife and fork. 355 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: Correctly, and then and then and then and then you know, 356 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: then went into then went to the second phase, which 357 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: is conversation, which can you please can you please ask 358 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: a sibling a question? 359 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Joe Biden, I interviewed his sister and 360 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: she talked about meal times at the Biden household, and 361 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: everybody had to go around the table and talk about 362 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: their day. 363 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 2: And I'm with them. 364 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: There we are, and he became President of the States. 365 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: Of course, this could also end up with somebody who 366 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: just dreads meals. 367 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: You know, that's my hope for the children. 368 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: I think I think we're succeeding. 369 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: Then I think we've succeeded. I think I think we've 370 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: nailed it. Yeah, So the we've set aside money for 371 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: their therapy so they can say we used to dreaded 372 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 2: times were it was it was positive. 373 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: River especially by the time we come around to him, Well, 374 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: how was your day? 375 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, just like it's like, what's the minimum I can 376 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: say that, get me away from this table as quickly 377 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: and get. 378 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: It done as quickly as quickly so the meal time. 379 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: So you so growing up you had they but actually 380 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: it's interesting that you had wine your parents. Was that 381 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: only for entertaining or. 382 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 2: No, they have wine? Did have mine themselves? 383 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 384 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, they enjoyed wine. I mean the culmination of the 385 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 2: week was always the Sunday roast and that was everything 386 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: kind of everything. You know, we'd go into the dining 387 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: room for that, do you know what I mean? And 388 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: it was always Where did you grow up in Cardiff 389 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: and Wales? Was that like my parents were teachers and 390 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: then my father became a principal of. 391 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 3: A Welsh speaking school. 392 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so, and you know, I think the Welsh, 393 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 2: like a lot of the Celtcer, kind of very culturally 394 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 2: minded in order to kind of keep their own culture alive. 395 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 2: So culture was a big element in the house. Music 396 00:19:59,000 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: was big. 397 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: You say it was a Welsh speaking school. Did they 398 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: speak anything other than most in. 399 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: The school nor English? Lessons were in English, but that 400 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: was it. Everything else is taught in the medium. 401 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: Of Welsh and had you spoken of before you went Yes, yeah, 402 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: I learned English. 403 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: I remember, I remember, I remember learning English like there 404 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: was this new phenomenon my you know. It was like 405 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: we used to call it yes, no language, because it's 406 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: all I could say for a while, and I was like, 407 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: why are we learning this language? What's this? 408 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: And do your children? 409 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: I speak only Welsh to our youngest Sam, and he's 410 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: entering into his the beginnings of the rebellion. When he's 411 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: now saying no, no, no, just say it in mama's language, 412 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: when you know the greater complexities are coming in. You know, 413 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: I'm trying to explain to him what insurance is in Welsh? 414 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: Wait what what? Just say in mom's language. No. 415 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: He he knows everything you're saying, and in his accent 416 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: is exactly right. But he likes to answer in English. 417 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: He's in school. I was. I lived in Paris and 418 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: a friend of mine had six children American in Paris, 419 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: married into this very very ground French family, and she said, 420 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: I have to speak to my children in my language, 421 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, because speaking to your children is complex enough. 422 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: Of course, then if you're trying to think about the 423 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: past or the future, chance or whatever it is, you, 424 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: But do you feel more comfortable in Welsh? 425 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: I do, and it wasn't It wasn't a particularly conscious choice. 426 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: It was just something I did absolutely instinctively when he 427 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: was born. But then I speak to dogs in Welsh 428 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: as well, so I don't know what that tells you. 429 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: I want to tell me about Welsh food very sores 430 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: an identity as much as language. With the food, there. 431 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: Is there is in that way that I think the 432 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: Irish and the Scots have, which is very much a 433 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: peasant culture, that off cuts are primarily everything you do 434 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: and the big, the great dish in Whales is we 435 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: call it cowl, which is a lamb's neck soup, so 436 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: it's lamb's neck and then usually potatoes, leaks, carrots. 437 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: How do you make it? 438 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: Very very simply. Everything is basically boiled with milk and salt, 439 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: and that's kind of milk. Yeah, a little bit of milk. 440 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 3: I remember the milk milk going. 441 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: Not not a huge amount. Well maybe I've mis misremembered that, 442 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 2: but no, I'm pretty yeah, dash kind of a dash 443 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: of milk and then yeah, you kind of you you, 444 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: you know, fry up the onion and the leaks. First, 445 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: the carrots, boiled the potatoes a bit, and then fry 446 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: up the lamb's neck and then add it all together 447 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: and boil it up. 448 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: Do you take the beat off the neck? Does it? 449 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, with some time and salt. 450 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: What else do you the. 451 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: The other big one was seaweed or you know, lava bread, 452 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: which is a triple cooked seaweed and that is usually 453 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: made into a patty with kind of oatmeal and then 454 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: fried in bacon. Fat. 455 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: Fast has nothing to do with bread, lava bread, No. 456 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: It's basically more like a kind of looks more like 457 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: a hamburger paddy and and and then is eaten with 458 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 2: kind of cockles. So you know, the majority of the 459 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: country is by the sea, so enormous kind of again 460 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 2: peasant influenced. Where can they scavenge from from the shoreline. 461 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: But you had the Sunday rose that was always big, 462 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: and that was would that be lamb? 463 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: A lot of lamb My father's family predominantly, A huge 464 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: number of them are sheep farmers. Yeah, so a lot 465 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: of lamb is eaten. It was lamb and beef. Those 466 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: are the big favorites. And then you know, we were 467 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 2: always obsessed with Yorkshire pudding which I've which I've terrified 468 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: carry with because but your Yorks puddings are challenged. 469 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: Fantastic, isn't it. 470 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 2: The kids love the kids obsessed. Yeah, yeah, they call 471 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: them those bread things. 472 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: And did you go to restaurants? 473 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: I didn't go. I mean that I don't think we 474 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: had the money for that and I did not go. 475 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 3: So it was all in my kind of twenties starting 476 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 3: to go to restaurants and our kids come with us 477 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: to restaurants. 478 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: Restaurants for me growing up very special. 479 00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: Is it like in Cardiff? 480 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 2: I mean, you know it was. It was. There was 481 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: a there was a great seafood game there, there was, 482 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: but there were especial occasions birthdays, Mother's Day we always 483 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: went out. And then yeah there was like you know, 484 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 2: when when we finished big, big exams, there was this 485 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: one place I think it's still going called the Walnut 486 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: Tree in Abergaven. 487 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: I remember the Walnut Tree was really what was his name? 488 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember? I under time, Yes, because I think 489 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: he started a bit before before Rose and I did 490 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: the River Cafes. It must have been in the early eighties, 491 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: said he did. 492 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: The Walnut It was because my parents, my parents said 493 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: when we finished at eighteen, the big you know a 494 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: level that the walnut tree was where we were allowed 495 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: to go, and that was for me like that, the 496 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: dizzy and height. 497 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: What did you what did you eat? 498 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: What did they used to do? This incredible seafood platter there? 499 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: And the first time I met my older sister, she know, 500 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: she finished exams, we took her there and I saw 501 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 2: the seafood platter, was like, what is that? So when 502 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: I went, that's what I ordered again. 503 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 3: Because it just seems so fancy. 504 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: It was. It was something incredible. It was like a. 505 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: If you like listening to Ruthie's Table four, would you 506 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: please make sure to rate and review the podcast on 507 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get 508 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: your podcasts. Thank you. So you sort of grew up 509 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: in these houses which were that you sat down for 510 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: a meal, you were cooked for sometimes you had a 511 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: cocktail and your grandmother and did that. And then and 512 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: then you particularly I think you started pretty young being 513 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: away from home. What did you do? Yeah, I think, 514 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: so what was that story of kind of being taken 515 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: away from this or it's hard to separate it from 516 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: the comfort of. 517 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I guess I was. 518 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: I was. 519 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: I started working about when I was about fifteen, pretty young. 520 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 3: I my life. I love everything that I have been 521 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: able to do because of this strange circus upbringing that 522 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: I've had. But there was a point when I was 523 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 3: doing a television show in my young twenties called Felicity 524 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 3: and working crazy long hours, and I had at that 525 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: point real like romantic nostalgia heartache for regular things like 526 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 3: family and dinners, like really basic normal stuff, girlfriends and 527 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: birthday parties. And because I was working at such a 528 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: pace for so long that I think the wonderful thing 529 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 3: about our lives now is, you know, we work really hard, 530 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 3: crazy long hours till three in the morning or whatever 531 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: while we're shooting a show or a movie or whatever, 532 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 3: and it's this uphill sprint, but then it affords us 533 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: six months off where I get to do nothing but 534 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: do laundry and organized birthday parties and walk kids to 535 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: school and cook bad dinners. 536 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: And you know what I mean. So you know, I. 537 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 3: Think it informed my real longing for and the importance 538 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: of those family dinners. In my younger twenties, I consistently 539 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 3: would seek out boyfriends that had that big family and 540 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 3: those moms who cooked, and I realized, oh, I'm dating 541 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: you for your mom. 542 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you're you're okay, yeah, yeah, you know I 543 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 4: want I want that like cozy you know those I 544 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 4: just think cooking to be a good cook. 545 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: Which I am not. After one kid, I was a 546 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: little bit more involved in it. I would bake a lot, 547 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 3: do a lot of things. And then now that we 548 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: have three kids, life is really busy and careers and 549 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 3: I know I'll get back to it. But to be 550 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 3: a good cook, it's just I just think it's the 551 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 3: highest art. It's just such a you've got. 552 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: She's got a very good she's being modest, she's got 553 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: a very good baking game. Makes it just gone. And 554 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 2: every birthday, every birthday, I ask there's only one thing 555 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: I have my birthday, which is a pear cake that 556 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 2: you make with her. What's the cream cheese frusting? Yeah, 557 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: that's a good one, that is That's only only thing 558 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: I asked for every birthday. 559 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 3: But I'll get back to it. I like, I like 560 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: doing it when I have time. 561 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: When you take the time, When did you leave. 562 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: Home when I was eighteen, you know, going to college 563 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: in London, where did you get I went to the 564 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: Royal Academy to study acting. 565 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: Did you go home when you were living in London? Oh? 566 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have such visceral memories of running to Paddington 567 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: and grabbing a four pack of Stellar to our for 568 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: the train. That was what we always what we always did. 569 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: What I need right now? Yeah? 570 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? And the real Yeah, the real treat was always 571 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: say you went back for a weekend or something you 572 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: would like, Mum would do a slightly early Sunday roast 573 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 2: so you can get you know, the train and one 574 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 2: of the last trains back to London. But yeah, we 575 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: always headed home for Christmas and all the big holidays. 576 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: Did you have either of you ever work in a restaurant? 577 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: I worked. It wasn't quite I wouldn't call it a restaurant, 578 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: but I was. I was a kitchen porter for for 579 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: a little while, well for a summer, just being shouted 580 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: at as I washed dishes. 581 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: Did you ever I didn't. 582 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: I liked other things, but yeah. 583 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: I played a chef once a. Yeah, who did you play? 584 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 3: And who trained you? 585 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: It was? No, it was Who's who was the Three 586 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 2: Mission Stars? Marcus? 587 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: Yes, I remember that, Yes, And I remember when he 588 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: was doing that and. 589 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: I Bradly Bradly Cooper, you know, did a lot with 590 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: a number of different chefs. He was kind of you know, 591 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: filleting grouse and all kinds of stuff. And I remember 592 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: they said to me, and they said, you have this 593 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: scene where you make a French omelet for Bradley and 594 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: then you make an espresso and then you smoke a cigarette. 595 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: And they're like, you'll be fine, You'll be fine, You'll 596 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: be fine. Right, So we had we had all Marcus 597 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: Marcus's people on set, well initially actually have to. So 598 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: they say, we're going to pull you in an hour 599 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: early and we'll show you an hour early. And I 600 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: was like an hour omelet. I was like, surely, I 601 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: put it in a microwave, don't I. This is madness. 602 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: So I'm showing how this how this French omelet is made. 603 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: And there's so much whisky, like you've got to get 604 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: here into this, You've got to get into this. I 605 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: was like, well, that's easy, it's just whisk And I 606 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: tried this thing so many times and for some reason 607 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: it came out looking like a trainer that a dog 608 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: had chewed right, and you could see whoever Marcus is 609 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: kind of one of his suit chefs. Was looking on 610 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: abject horror as the way I was doing this, as 611 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 2: was the director, like he can't do it. And in 612 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: the end it's not even my hands who make the 613 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: omelet in the movie. It's actually playing the piano. Oh 614 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: my god. It's because and I was so arrogant in 615 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: my in my thinking that was like, oh. 616 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: I can anybody can do it? 617 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: Was it was to me. That's when I was a 618 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: humbling moment. 619 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: Do you go out to restaurants in Brooklyn? 620 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 3: The good restaurant? 621 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: Do the real scene are. 622 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: My most favorite thing that we did when we were dating, 623 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: and we continue to do even more than sitting in 624 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: a restaurant. I love meeting you. We go to great restaurants, 625 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 3: but we always sit next to each other at the bar. Yeah, 626 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: and I love that. I love going early and you 627 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: can sit closer to somebody and just and we usually 628 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: leave just as it starts getting busy. 629 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's the best thing to do. 630 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: It that sounds like things are good, yeah, really good. 631 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: And so the love you have and reminiscing about your memories. 632 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: So there is also food as comfort, so times when 633 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: maybe things are not exactly as you want them. Would 634 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: you turn to a food for comfort? And if you did, 635 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: what would that be? Who wants to go first? 636 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 3: I would almost always cook something like we're going to cook. 637 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you make the joke about when we go 638 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: out really late and I come home at eleven, still 639 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: make that before going to bed, which is just a 640 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: you know, like a really simple pasta with butter and 641 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: whatever I have. I'll even add rosemary to it, but 642 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: stage would be ideal, but whatever. It just kind of 643 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: salt and butter in pasta. That's what feels good. 644 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm certainly with you on that pasta. But to me, 645 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: if I'm talking pure comfort, it would it would always 646 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: be that the cow the. 647 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: Super I was going to say, I thought it might 648 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: be that. 649 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: Made just so it's hard lined in that it was 650 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: always the great source of comfort. Either when you is 651 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: to play football, you know, play soccer, and I went 652 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: coming in on a winter's morning when you're so cold, 653 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 2: and that was always on the stove, and it would 654 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: be with a huge piece of bread that you tea 655 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: and some cheese, and that was that was kind of everything. 656 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 3: Actually when your mom, before we lived together, your parents 657 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 3: would come and she would leave and before she would 658 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 3: walk out of the apartment, everything would be clean, and 659 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 3: she would leave cow on the stove for you, yes, 660 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: and then she would they would go to the air. 661 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: I would, she would. It was one thing quickly I 662 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 2: was when I lived in La just before I'd gone 663 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: to Los Angeles, I'd gone to Argentina because there's there's 664 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: a Welsh community in southern Patagonia, and I felt very 665 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: in that very cliched, obvious male way, kind of fell 666 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: in love with Malmon style of cooking and the great 667 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: asado is great, incredible, and I had we kind of 668 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: had a distant We found a distant relative who was 669 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: obsessed with a sad and he taught me how to 670 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: had a cook you know, a whole whole lamb on 671 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: the cross. And when I was in La, every month, 672 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: first in David's day, I would go and buy a 673 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: full lamb and we would we would do it on 674 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: you know, we would do a sada style on the 675 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: cross over like seven hours and have this huge party 676 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: when it was kind of carved up at the end 677 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 2: of it. That was always a real highlight to me. 678 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 2: March the first could you do that? 679 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: Now? 680 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: I like to think that I could. 681 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 3: I was going to say one thing about you and 682 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 3: I think is we both have I think we both 683 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 3: love the bringing everyone together and having really good food. 684 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 3: But I think there's something in the fun of the 685 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: theater of it as well that we love. You know, 686 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 3: your friends Jason and Tash are such intuitive, beautiful, creative cooks, 687 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 3: and it just becomes a whole fun theatrical thing visually 688 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 3: as well. And you know, we did that thing for 689 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 3: all of our friends up in the mountains up where 690 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 3: we had that chef and we said we want to 691 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 3: do it outside with and everyone came up on the 692 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 3: mountaintop and I think. 693 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: We both was that here, Yeah, the. 694 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 2: Whole hot gross. 695 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really. 696 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: I think food is drama, you know, being in a regiment, 697 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: and also the idea that you know, no matter how 698 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: you're feeling, you. 699 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 3: Have to act. 700 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 2: Yes, you have to do it. You have to do it, 701 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 2: you have no choice. You don't need to do that. 702 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: But mostly I don't have to because I love I 703 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: love being the River Cafe and just see your beast, 704 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: where when are you coming soon? 705 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 3: Because I'll be back for the diplomat hopefully soon and 706 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 3: will come always always, always be with I would. 707 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 2: Okay, you're going to get Sean still with you, very 708 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 2: very well. I was going to say, ask her about 709 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 2: the ask about Cowl and sure. 710 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: All our conversation it's really well, you'll meet him, and 711 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: thanks so much. 712 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 3: Thank you for asking that you fund. 713 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 2: Ruthie's Table four is produced by Atamei Studios for iHeartRadio. 714 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: It's hosted by Ruthie Rogers and it's produced by William Lensky. 715 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 4: This episode was edited by Julia Johnson and mixed by 716 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 4: Nigel Appleton. 717 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Fay Stewart and Zad Rogers. 718 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 4: Our production manager is Caitlin Paramore, and our production coordinator 719 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 4: is Bella Cellini. 720 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: Thank you to everyone at The River Cafe for your 721 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 3: help in making this episode.