1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Ron and Nanian. It's what I always say. Repair shop 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: is clearly only as good as the people in it. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what sign is over the door. It's 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: funny foods. The Car Doctor. I like to drive about 5 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: eighty miles, not on the open road, and I don't 6 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: know if the Hordes cylinder engine can do that or 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: I'll do that. From a reliability perspective, reliability factor is 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: only affected by how much maintenance you're willing to do. 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron and Nanian the 10 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Since this is where car owners the world 11 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If 12 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the 13 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: phone and call in the garage doors are open, but 14 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: I am here to take your call at eight five 15 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: five five six and now running. You know it's about 16 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: inspiration versus perspiration. Hello and welcome running any in The 17 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: car Doctor here live at eight five five zero nine 18 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: nine zero zero, Here to take on and solve your 19 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: car problem. Whatever has been haunting you. The car Doctor 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: is in. Let's get started, let's get under the hood. 21 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: It's all about inspiration. Engineers are inspired at least I 22 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: hope they are. I wonder if they are. I worked 23 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: on a bunch of cars this week, folks, and I'm 24 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: telling you right now, I'm warning you for those that 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: call in. I'm a little bit of a cross between 26 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh and Reverend Al Bundy. So because I've been there, 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: I've seen it, and I'm gonna rant about it a 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: little bit because it was an ugly week at the 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: shop in terms of what I had to fix and 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: work on. And I fixed each and every car. Two 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: thousand seven Subaru across the doorstep this week. Simple enough problem, 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: or so I thought, check engine light on. It had 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: been out to a couple of different repair shops, a 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: few dealers. Nobody seemed to be able to fix this car. 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: It had a P zero four fifty six in English. 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: In evaporative emissions leak less than twenty thousands of an inch, 37 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: so we're looking for a leak or loss of fumes 38 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: thinner than the thickness of your hair. Got out. The 39 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: smoke machine, went through the usual drill, went through the 40 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: diagnostic routine, scanned it, proved it, got it, pulled the 41 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: smoke machine out. The flow ball kept going, telling me, yeah, 42 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: you got a leak somewhere. What do we do next? 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: If you're a regular listener to this show, you've heard 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: me talk about evapp, you know what you do next. 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: You split the system in half. You go back, You 46 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: find the ventline going into the tank. You verify if 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: the tank is okay, and as the tanks not is okay, 48 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: you work your way out and if not, go solve 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: the problem at the tank. Sure enough, the problems in 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: the tank. The fuel tank has some sort of a leak. Now. 51 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: The inspiration of the engineer at Subaru at some point 52 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: before you fill off the chart into the accounting department 53 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: and they said, no, you can't make it right. You 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: can just sort of do it halfway. Was that if 55 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: you needed to service components in the gas tank on 56 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: subru you can open up the trunk, take out the 57 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: four team panel switches and dials, and you have access 58 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: to two fuel pump plates and you're able to service 59 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: the fuel pump modules right there from the trunk. And 60 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: I supposed the reason they did that is because they 61 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: realized how difficult it is to actually remove the fuel tank. Well, 62 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: I found out how difficult it is to remove the 63 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: fuel tank because the leak wasn't from the fuel pump modules. 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: The leak was from somewhere under the floor pan of 65 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: the vehicle, in the gas tank itself. And I should 66 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: point out also that if you get out to the 67 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: Facebook page run on any and the car Doctor, there's 68 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: a step by step, blow by blow increasingly painful every 69 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: time I look at a diary of this event as 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: a train inspired and you'll actually get to the end 71 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: of this repair of the week before I do if 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: you do it right now. So sit tight and don't 73 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: do it just yet. I ended up having to take 74 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: the gas tank out. I knew the league was there. 75 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: I had seen problems with these before and I was 76 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: hoping it wasn't a repeat. But this one was different. 77 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: This was a failure, not like I've seen, and this 78 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: one was based on the inspiration of the engineer and 79 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: the limits of the accounting department when I removed the tank. 80 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: By the way that I tell you how I had 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: to remove the gas tank, well, let me tell you 82 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: this story. To get the gas tank out of a Subaru, 83 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: you have to take the rear suspension, rear differential, the 84 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: exhaust system, the drive shift out of the car. When 85 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: you look at those pictures on Facebook, you'll see there's 86 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: a shot there of some of the parts in third bay, 87 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: which was right next to Bay two at the shop. 88 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: It looks like the car exploded and all the pieces 89 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: went over to the right. Well, at this point I've 90 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: got of the rear of the vehicle apart, and on 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: the floor of the shop now I can see the 92 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: gas tank. Hey, this is where I do it. This 93 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: is how I would design it. So the lack of 94 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: inspiration of the engineer creates perspiration in the mechanic because 95 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: he's really got to work to get this thing apart. 96 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: And it turned out. And if you look closely at 97 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: those pictures, you'll see there's two little white rollover valves, 98 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: a fuel rollover valves. In the event of an accident, 99 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: the vehicle turns over prevents fuel from sloshing and going 100 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: where it's not supposed to, but it also allows it 101 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: to event it's a safety feature. One of the plastic 102 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: did I say it was plastic again? Rollover valves. There's 103 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: a little three sixteenths diameter plastic nipple that comes off 104 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: the end of it. The weight of the rubber hose 105 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: attached to that rollover valve started to close it to 106 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: oscillate and vibrate with road vibration and road noise and 107 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: and road hash, so to speak. And over time it 108 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: developed a hairline crack less than the thickness of your hair, 109 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: and the evap test picked it up, the smoke machine 110 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: picked it up. The mechanic had to go find it 111 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: naturally when I had it down. There's two roll over 112 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: valeves in this particular setup, like a lot of the 113 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: super brus. You change one, you change the other because 114 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to have to pull the tank again. 115 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: It's got the same crumby design where the road with 116 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,119 Speaker 1: the weight of the hose, the hose gets brittle and stiff. 117 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: Overtime it pulls on the plastic nipple. If one broke, 118 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: you know the next one's gonna break. And I'm here 119 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: to tell you that that did solve the problem a 120 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: whole lot of perspiration later, put the tank in, put 121 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: the rear axle up with the suspension up, bolt the 122 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: cradle back up, put the sway of bar links back up, 123 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: put the charcoal canister back in place, made sure the 124 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: seven different hoses and vacuum lines that I had to disturb, 125 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: which really kind of makes you wonder. You're trying to 126 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: prevent the system from having an evaporative emissions leak, and 127 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: you've got to disturb every connection in the vehicle. You 128 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: sure hope you can get this eight nine year old 129 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: system to seal back up again without having to spend 130 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: any more money for the customer. And I was lucky. 131 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: I was fortunate. I was able to get it to 132 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: do it with a couple of tricks, and it does 133 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: work in the car. Are is fixed. But you have 134 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: to look at those pictures and say, what was the 135 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: engineer thinking? And the answer is I don't know. Holldo 136 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: on and welcome Ron and any of the car doctor 137 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: here at zero nine nine zero zero, here to solve 138 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: a problem just like that one for you. Yeah, it 139 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: was a long tough week. There were a couple other things. 140 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about him this hour and next there's 141 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: another hour this radio show. If you're on an affiliate, 142 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: that happens to take both hours. But the heart of 143 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: this show, what this show is really all about, and 144 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: if I haven't scared you off yet, and if I have, 145 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, is to call in zero nine zero zero 146 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: because I can solve your problem to whatever your cars 147 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: got going on together, I'll get you down under the 148 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: hood with me and we'll talk about it. Won't resolve it. 149 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: By the way, I want to point out and um, 150 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 1: this is the first announcement of this because we actually 151 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: just sealed this deal moments before we broadcast today. What 152 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: are you doing Labor Day weekend? Well, if you're in 153 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: the Northeast area, if you're gonna be in the New York, 154 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: New Jersey, Connecticut area, you can come from anywhere. Really, 155 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna be at the Sheridan and Mahwah, New Jersey. 156 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: Here today, gone to MAWA. Now we're gonna be joining 157 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: the dead Man's Curve Car Club as they put on 158 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: their Wild hot Rod Weekend. We'll be there with them 159 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: at the Sheridan and mahwa New Jersey, doing this live 160 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: broadcast two to four pm. And we'll be looking forward 161 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: to that as we help them celebrate Labor Day Weekend 162 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: with their Wild hot Rod Weekend that's coming up this 163 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: September three through six. The Car Doctor and Gang, Tony, 164 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: Tom Fast Harry, Yeah, even fast Harry. We'll all be 165 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: there that Saturday to to four pm. And by the way, 166 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: there will be a certain black fifty five Chevy park 167 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: right out in front of the broadcast booth as the 168 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: Car Doctor gets the thundering and take a ride. Imagine 169 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: how I get to take the hot rod for a 170 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: ride to work to do radio. That's gonna be the first. 171 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: So we're looking forward to seeing each and every one 172 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: of our fans there. If your local, come on out. 173 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: If you're not, you want to take a ride and 174 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: come see the Car Doctor and group and spend some 175 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: great time with a great bunch of car people. A 176 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: thousand cars for funny cars are gonna fire up four 177 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: funny cars ten thousand horsepower at once. Probably knocked the 178 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: hotel over, but what the heck, it'll be a good 179 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: time for all. And that's coming up this Labor Day weekend. Hey, 180 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: let's pull over and take a pause. The Car Doctor's 181 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: phone number is eight five five zero nine nine zero zero. 182 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: We're coming back to open the garage doors right after 183 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: this sixty happy that's right? Yeah, okay, so the secrets out, 184 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: Ronaldindy and the Car Doctor here. Yeah, okay, the boys 185 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: are gonna now tell you. Let's see how old am 186 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: I this year? Fella is a hundred and seven No 187 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: we thought you were twenty five. That's right. I'm only 188 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: twenty five years old. You know what I feel twenty five? Um, 189 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: I have to listen. I have to look thirty five. 190 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: And we just carded you when you walked in here. 191 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: That's all, you know. You know what you have to 192 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: You have to be young, of mine, especially if you're 193 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: gonna fix cars all day long. And from what I'm 194 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: seeing coming around the country, it's I'm gonna have to 195 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: be around for a while yet because it's getting scary 196 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: out there. By the way, I should point out on 197 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: that Subaru, there is one good thing about that Subaru, 198 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: and I will make a comment to this, and then 199 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about the Subaru anymore, because 200 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: it's the thing nightmares are made of. You know what. 201 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: The one good thing about Subaru is I've decided that 202 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: car company makes Volkswagen look good. That's right. So thank you, Homer. 203 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: Let's get over and talk to Betty in Palm Desert 204 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: see what's going on with their two thousand five pt 205 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: Cruiser and some questions about a CE. Betty, Welcome to 206 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: the car doctor. How can I help? Hey, Ron, how 207 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: are you good here? What's going on? Besides the heat 208 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: my car there. You know, I'm not a car person, 209 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: but my little car only has sixty miles on it. 210 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: As you know, I talked to you before it only 211 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: had sixty miles on it. Then too, Betty, we gotta 212 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: get you to drive it more. That was three months ago. Anyway, 213 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: let me just tell you what happens. Um, it's in 214 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: the garage all night, and I since I've been used 215 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: air conditioning, of course, it's it's on the off. And 216 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: then I turned it on to the on position. And 217 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: as I back out of my driveway, what happens is 218 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: I hear a big pop right underneath where I'm sitting, 219 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: so it's under the car. And I call my mechanic 220 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: and he said, don't worry about it. It's the compressor. Um, 221 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: something about a compressor. And all I know is if 222 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: that if the car is running and I'm I've gone 223 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: somewhere and I start up again, it doesn't pop. It's 224 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: just when it's coming out of the cold position, I guess, 225 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: And and it's I don't want anything to pop while 226 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm driving on the freeway. Well, but I don't know 227 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: what it means. And to be clear, if you feel 228 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: it under your feet. Well, it's under the it's under 229 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: the car, right, it's under the car. The C compressor 230 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: is all the way forward in the right front corner. 231 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: So I don't see a rationale why the A C 232 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: compressor turning on an offer being on is all the 233 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: way up. It's basically up by the right front headlight. 234 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: And yet you're getting you're getting a noise under the vehicle. 235 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: So what I would be concerned, What I would be 236 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: thinking about, what's common on PT cruisers. Two things. Number one, 237 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: make sure both lower control arms the rear control arm 238 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: bushings haven't failed. The lower control arms all right. Basically, 239 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: it's a part of the suspension, and the way they 240 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: attached that control armor that suspension piece to the subframe 241 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: is through a rubber bushing. What's very common is when 242 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: you're backing up, as you put the car in reverse, 243 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: it shifts the load of the engine and the transmission 244 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: and it causes the subframe to stress and you will 245 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: actually pop that control alarm and pop up, up, up 246 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: up as it travels backwards down the driveway. You put 247 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: it in drive and it will shift it again. And 248 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: in some cases, if the bushing shifted one way now 249 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: it's going to go the other when the noise goes away. 250 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: So you may think it's air conditioning related, but it 251 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: may not be. It may be more suspension. But it 252 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: doesn't happen unless and right because the load of the 253 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: because the load of the air conditioning may be causing 254 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: the shift, because it does change how the engine runs. 255 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: Is it something I have to worry about until the 256 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: mechanic gives you a better answer than don't worry about it? 257 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: I would obviously obviously you're worried about it. You called me, 258 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: and I would be I'd be curious. There's always a 259 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: cause and effect, Betty, There's always a reason why something 260 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: happens and what will that create later on. But I 261 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: would look at lower control arm bushings and I would 262 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: make sure that both the upper and lower engine mounts 263 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: are in good condition. These cars have a habit of 264 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: cracking the dog bone mount that sits down load under 265 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: the air conditioner. As a matter of fact, if if 266 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: it's if it's not broken, you've probably got the only 267 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: one in America that isn't. So uh yeah, very common, 268 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: very common fault. The right side engine cradle mount that 269 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: lower dog bone and sometimes the main mount that's into 270 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: the timing cover. They failed to. Especially in heat, especially 271 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: on an older vehicle, they dry rot, the rubber gets 272 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: brittle and it starts to crack. So it's it's something 273 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: to be looked at. Listen, don't get alarmed. I gotta 274 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: remember it's it's only a car, and the car is 275 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: e eleven going on twelve years old. But you do 276 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: have to maintain it. Yep, you do have to obtain it. 277 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: I want it to die. Nope. So then you get 278 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: your mechanic to get a look at these things. Now, 279 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right up front. If your mechanic 280 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: says ad, don't worry about it and those parts are bad, 281 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: you gotta find the new mechanic. That's the next thing. 282 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: Changes a tough thing to accept. Well, I'm going to 283 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: ask if you would mind I talked to your assistant 284 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: there after we hang up. Sure, Harry, I'll go over 285 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: all of it with you. All right, stay the line, 286 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: Betty and Harry'll take carry. Let's get over and talk 287 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: to Mike and Ryan New York, Nisan Ultima and a 288 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: no start. Mike, you're on with the car doctor zero. 289 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: How can I help you? The afternoon and thank you 290 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: very much. I've been listening to you for years and 291 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm glad I found you again. Thank you, sir, I'm 292 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: glad you did so. How can I help um? This 293 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: is uh. I bought this car from a dealer a 294 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: year ago. I've had no problem until about a month ago. 295 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: I went out to start it and nothing happened. I 296 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: pressed the button and put the uh foot on the 297 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: brake uh, and nothing happened. And then I kept doing 298 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: it and suddenly all the dash lights came on, but 299 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: no starting. And then a third time it blacked out. 300 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: There was nothing going on, perhaps you know, five or 301 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: six times and it would start UH and uh, he 302 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: do you have break lights when this happens, Mike or 303 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: no break lights? The funny thing you mentioned that what 304 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: happened was I took it to my mechanic. He couldn't. 305 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: There was nothing. But last Monday I had it. I 306 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: took it to him, and it did exactly what it 307 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: was supposed to do, not start. And he did say 308 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: the break light that red brake light, not the one 309 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: that you press you know that comes on, but the 310 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: low brake light. And then he asked me, uh to 311 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: look at the lights and the break lights did not 312 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: come on. Okay you got a pencil, Yeah, okay. Take 313 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: a look at Nissan bulletin nt B n t B 314 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: Nancy tom Baker. Al right, ten dash one thirty nine. 315 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: It's been out there about five years. It came out 316 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: in November, and it talks about problems just like you're 317 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: describing to the letter. And the dead giveaway is the 318 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: bulletin references that when you don't see break lights and 319 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: this are goes into a no start event, the problem 320 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: becomes the onboard computer doesn't know Mike's trying to start 321 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: the car. Something's wrong, right, it's and and what happens 322 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: is the bulletin references there is a repair kit that 323 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: they will replace the brake light switch and the harness 324 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: assembly and improve an upgrade that part of the system 325 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: and it should make the problem go away. They had 326 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: issues with breake light switches and it affected the ignition 327 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: switch as well because that was one of its main inputs. Now, 328 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: is this something that my guy can do? It I 329 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: have to do with the Nissan. Talk to your guy. 330 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: Get a copy of the bulletin. What I always tell 331 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: everybody is get a copy of the bulletin. It should 332 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: be readily available. If your mechanic has Mitchell or all that, 333 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: he's gotta have some kind of electronic information. If you're 334 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: a mechanic in this day and age, Hey, you get 335 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: by with that. Information is beyond me. But you know, 336 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: he's he's got to have some sort of electronic information system. 337 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: He does. I mean, I don't say he didn't know 338 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: where to go, right, tell him to go look for 339 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: this bullet in NTB ten dash one thirty nine. He'll 340 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: find it under UM, he'll find it under electrical engine 341 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: no crank, no start. Uh. We've done a few of these, 342 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: and UM. As long as he's got access and he 343 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: reads the bolt and he's comfortable with it, he should 344 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: be able to do it and resolve it for you. 345 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: So good luck to you, Mike. If you need me, 346 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: and UM, he has any other questions, by all means, 347 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: Ron at Car Doctor show dot com, and I'll be 348 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: glad to do what I can for you, and I'll 349 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: be glad at the help. Hey, I'm running any in 350 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor eight five zero nine zero zero. There's 351 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: more to come. Stay tuned. I'll be back right after this. Hey, 352 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: welcome back. We're on Annie of the Car Doctor rolling 353 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: along eight five five zero nine zero zero. By the way, 354 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: for seventy five years, the folks over at Wiks have 355 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: been detecting, have been protecting engines. You know, on radio 356 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: sound is very important. Let's try that again, hey, for 357 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: seventy five years the folks at Wicks have been protecting engines, 358 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: and um, they are just a great filter to count on. 359 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: And because of that, and help celebrate their seventy five 360 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: anniversary and their seventy fifth birthday. Hey, we're talking birthdays, right, 361 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: it's the Car Doctor's birthday. This weekend they're going to 362 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: be giving away another thirty nine Ford coup hot rod. 363 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna be giving away another one eighteenth scale thirty 364 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: nine Ford this weekend. This matter of fact, this hour 365 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: somewhere between now, on the top of the hour, we're 366 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: going to be giving it away. It's a period black 367 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: paint car custom cream and red scallops and each vendor 368 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: it's color coordinated red interior, full moon disc and it's 369 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: kind of a neat piece. We've been giving it away. 370 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: We gave away a couple more prior this year, and 371 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: everybody seems to enjoy them. So when you do call 372 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: be nice, schmooze Fast Harry. It's up to Fast Harry. 373 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: He is the judge as always, and he will decide 374 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: who gets that Wicks Filter seventy five anniversary giveaway. Let's 375 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 1: get over and talk to Nick Online to two thousand 376 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: two four f one fifty and a check engine light. Nick, 377 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor House. Things down Missouri Way? 378 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: Oh not too bad, Hodd like everywhere else. Yes, sir, 379 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: what can I do for you? Well, I'll check in. 380 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: The light's been on my canic, thank you. They's been 381 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: for a long time. It doesn't hurt. The way runs 382 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: run fine as they got cum Lake. They've checked it 383 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: with whatever they do, the spray and all that stuff, 384 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: and they can't find it. And they really not hurt anything. 385 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: But it's just aggravating. I just started looking at the light, 386 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: you know, P zero one, So it's if this is 387 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: a lean fall, this must be P zero one seven one, 388 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: p P zero one seven four those numbers, right. Well, 389 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't know it's been so well, actually I think 390 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: maybe they do, now that you make that. Yeah, it 391 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: sounds familiar, right, yeah, okay, so I got but it's 392 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: been a long time since I did. You know check 393 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: it because every time he tells me the same thing, well, 394 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: and you can't find it. And here's the problem with 395 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: driving around with a check engine light on, Nick. A 396 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: check engine light works on a priority system in in 397 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: one way to look at it. So the fact that 398 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: it's seen, it's seeing lean fuel trim, it suspends two 399 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: thirds of its other tests. So the sad part is 400 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: you could fix this check engine light and two weeks 401 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: later the light will come back on for another fault 402 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: that was created by ignoring the first one, or as 403 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: a result of ignoring the first point, you know, So 404 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: we gotta get this fixed. So let's let's talk about 405 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: this real quick, all right. A zero fuel trim, just 406 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: put a zero up on on the top of your head. 407 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: A zero fuel trim is a balanced air fuel mixture, 408 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: all right. And in high school auto shop, they always 409 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: taught us that was stoeometric. And I'm not sure if 410 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing that right. I've heard many people complain over 411 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: the years, but to me, it's it's it's it's stoeometric. 412 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: It's fourteen point seven to one air fuel mixture. It's 413 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: a balanced air fuel mixture. That's what the computer is 414 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: trying to achieve. If it has to add fuel because 415 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: it's running lean and it's not performing as per its 416 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: look up table, that is a lean condition. Adding fuel, 417 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: you will see the fuel trim count up plus one, 418 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: plus two and so on. You will see this on history. 419 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: There's a thing called long term fuel trim. There's an 420 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: item called short term fuel trim. Short term fuel trim 421 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: drives long term. So it's it's kind of like, what 422 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: do you have for dinner last night? Nick? Do you remember? Uh? Okay, 423 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: so you at tuna? That's all right, man, you know what. 424 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna eat tuna once in a while, it happens. 425 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: So chances are what what you had for dinner last 426 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: night is going to affect what you do for dinner tonight, right, 427 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: because you don't want two of the two nights in 428 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: a row. So fuel trim does the same thing, alright. 429 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: Fuel trim is always looking, Hey, what did I have 430 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: last night? What's doing? What was doing yesterday? That's going 431 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: to affect what I do today? Long term fuel trim 432 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: short term fuel trim by the same token. If the 433 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: vehicle runs rich, if it is too rich of a 434 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: fuel mixture, too much fuel, it will just it will subtract, 435 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: it will be minus one, two four, and so on. 436 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: The numbers to look at are you will typically see, 437 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, most cars running that plus or minus ten 438 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: to fiftent total fuel trim. Beyond cars start to set 439 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: fault codes. That being said, having a rudimentary understanding like that, 440 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about your vehicle if it is setting a 441 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: fuel trim fault for both sides, all right, both banks 442 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: one seven one and one seven four. The first thing 443 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: I want to know is what kind of shape are 444 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: the O two sensors in? Do they respond, do they work? 445 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: And doesn't have any vacuum leaks. Now you're saying that 446 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: your mechanic is spring. Do you know what he's spring? No, 447 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: I don't. I've got a feeling he's probably you know, 448 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: using card cleaner, throttle body cleaner, and he's spraying around 449 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: the intake gaskets looking for signs of enrichment. Probably a 450 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: fair assumption. Yeah, maybe soapy water. I have no idea. Right, well, yeah, 451 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: hopefully we're not doing that. Here's what I want you 452 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: to do. You want to find out if your mechanics 453 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: doing this right. Here's what Here's here's what I want 454 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: you to here's what I want you to ask them. 455 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: All right, here's the way I would do it, all right. 456 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: I would plug in a scan tool, bring up fuel 457 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: trims for both banks. It's a V eight, so there's 458 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: a there's a bank one and a bank too. You 459 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: can bring up fuel trim for bank one bank too, 460 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: and I would bring up the oxygen sensors for Bank 461 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: one bank too. I have you know that those blue 462 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: bottles of plumbers propane that you see in the hardware store, 463 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: those small little bottles bottles, Yeah, little camper bottles or 464 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, like plumbers use them to sweat pipe sometimes 465 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: in the old days, and you know they still probably 466 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: do it today. Yeah, it's a small little bottle appropane. 467 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: I have a fuel I have. I have a regulator 468 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: on the end of it. I took a piece of 469 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: break line. I peined it down so it's a very 470 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: thin crack, and I use that as my fuel source. 471 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: And I'll start the car up, and I'll open up 472 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: the regular the fuel regulator novel a little bit, and 473 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: I'll let it sniff around the intake manifold, and I'm 474 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: watching the fuel trim, and I'm watching the O two 475 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: centers looking for a response. If I see the O 476 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: two's change, if I see the fuel trim spike, or 477 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's going into negative because it's 478 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: taking away fuel. Because it's seeing that additional fuel, I 479 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: know I've got a leak. It's that simple, all right. Now. 480 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: It's not uncommon for these trucks to have intake gasket leaks. 481 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: What's very common for these trucks, and it's very hard 482 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: to see, is in the back of the engine when 483 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: you take off the upper plastic covered and the throttle body. 484 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: In the back where the PCV comes in, there's a 485 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: rubber gromet there, and if you look at this while 486 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: the engine is off, you'll never see it because it 487 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: looks solid when you started. The rubber has actually collapsed 488 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: onto itself. So it's sort of like if you took 489 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: your cheeks and went, you know, kind of pinched them in. 490 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: It'll look like that because the engine is actually sucking 491 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: the hose shut and it's a vacuum leak at that 492 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: point also where it cracks. So take a very careful 493 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 1: look at the PCV system in the back of the 494 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: intake manifold where it comes into the base of the 495 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: throttle body. Very common val write, well, well, the PCV 496 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: valve isn't the fault if if the hoses collapse. If 497 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: the hoses collapse, the valve is you know, in the 498 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: valve cover. The hose has to go over to the 499 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: base of the intake at the base of the throttle body. 500 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: If that hose is split and soft and collapsed, that'll 501 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: create a vacuum leak. So let him take a look 502 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: at that. So but that's how you begin to diagnose 503 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: this fault. Now. Last, once you determine there's no intake leaks, 504 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: the O two's are working, the PCV is good, there 505 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: are no other vacuum leaks, then we've got to start 506 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: to talk about testing the mass airflow sensor. But I'm 507 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: gonna save that for another day because I don't want 508 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: to overload you. All right, Uh, this is a fuel 509 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: system problem from the sounds of it, and you know 510 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: it's got to get fixed because you're only creating more 511 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: damage as time goes by. If he can't fix it, 512 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna find somebody that can. All right, sir, you 513 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: run through of those things. Let me give you an email. 514 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: It's easy to remember if you don't have a pencil. 515 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: Ron at Car Doctor show dot com just spell out 516 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: doctor Ron at Car Doctor show dot com. If you 517 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: send me some test results, I'll be glad to get 518 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: back to you and help you anyway I can. Alright, sir, 519 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: Ron at carron at doctor show dot com. All right, 520 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: Nick right, thank you. Good luck to you and yours, 521 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: and to have fun down there in Missouri way with 522 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: all the heat wave that's going on, I understand it's 523 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: gonna get toasty. I'm running any in the car doctor. 524 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: I am back right after this. Hey, welcome back. I'm 525 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: run an indie in the car doctor, A kinder, gentler 526 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: car doctor this hour. Let's let's pull over and take 527 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: a Okay, not really Tom wants. Tom's looking at me like, 528 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: what happened? Don't worry. Don't worry, Tom. I'm just kind 529 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: of lulling everybody in five six here on nine nine 530 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: zero zero. And let's go and talk to Mike Lacrosse, Wisconsin, 531 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: Toyota Camray. Mike, you're out with the car doctor. I 532 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: canna help, Yes, sir, what's going on? I have a 533 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve toe to Camray, ellie um, and I've 534 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: developed some road noise which I'm told is related to 535 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: the tires. Uh, there's about eight thou on the car 536 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: right now. And at thirty thousand, I put a new 537 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 1: set of radials on um the ones I got at 538 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: the time where our tires set of tires, they're raided 539 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: like for sixty tho miles, I service the car every 540 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: five thousand miles. I rotate the tires every five thousand miles. 541 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: At seventy thousand, took the car and they have its service, 542 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: rotated the tires. When I got back at in the car, 543 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: started taking it down the road. Started noticing some road noise, 544 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: kind of a whoop, whoop, whoop, tap tap tap, very 545 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: evident around thirty forty and then when you get it 546 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: up on the highway, it just becomes kind of a 547 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: consistent noise because the noise speeds up. Took it back 548 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: to the dealership, said hey, I got this road noise. 549 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: They test rolled it. They said, yeah, you do. We 550 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: think your tires are feathering. Okay, so what causes the 551 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: tires of feather? You probably have suspension problem or what 552 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: type of suspension problem I have? I don't, I don't. 553 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: Probably you're having something going on with your struts. You know, 554 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: don't worry about it now, but before we put a 555 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: new set of tires down, we should probably replace your 556 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: struts at that time. So I go back home, get 557 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: on the internet, look up feathering of attire, and nine 558 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: out of ten articles say, hey, probably got front end 559 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: alignment problems. Specifically, you're told seventy miles. I take the 560 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: car back into the next service, I have the front 561 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: end alignment checked and they said, no, nothing's wrong with 562 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: your front end alignment. Okay, So an hour back to 563 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: do I need new struts? How do you know if 564 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: the struts are bad? They said, well, sometimes they can leak, 565 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: but sometimes they don't. So we would get in the 566 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: car driving with you and and have you accelerate quickly 567 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: and at the front end picks up probably struts, or 568 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: we'd have you break quickly and it's the front end dips. 569 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: Probably says you got struts. So my question is is 570 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: the road noise probably diagnose And it's gonna be my 571 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: claim to fame. Wow, it's nice to know that we're 572 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: buying lawn furniture for service advisors in Wisconsin. Though, um 573 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: let me start here, Mike. When they rotated the tires 574 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 1: and it started the initial problem. Did anybody think, hey, 575 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: why don't we move the tires back to where they 576 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: were and see if the noise goes away? They did not. Obviously, 577 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: it's seventy the tires did get moved back because all 578 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: they're taking is back to the front and the front 579 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: to the back, and the noise didn't go away. At 580 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: Are they crossing them at all? Are they doing it 581 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: straight up to the front? Front, front, up and back. 582 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: My understanding is they do not cross them, just back 583 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: to the front. Are the tires are Do you know 584 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: if the tires are positional, meaning they can't be rotated 585 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: side to side, that they are they are directional. I'm sorry, 586 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: they're not positional. They're directional, and that the tread design 587 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: limits how they can be rotated. Sir, I do not 588 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: know that, so that would be my first question. A 589 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: feathered tire means that the tire going down the road 590 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: is starting to pick up its outside edge and pickle 591 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: the tread. All right, it's it's causing a little bit 592 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: of a noise. Now, logically, you would have the noise 593 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: before you rotated the tire, not after all right, so 594 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm kind of concerned as to why they're all of 595 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: a sudden taking a look at struts. If the struts 596 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: aren't leaking, if the struts aren't noisy, if you're not 597 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: traveling down the road and hearing any knocking or any 598 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: excess sound from under the suspension area, you would know it. 599 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't think this is a strut related problem if 600 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: the alignments in I think the issue is more in 601 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: the fact that the tires have a problem. Now, the 602 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: question I've got is how much tread depth is left 603 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: on the tire and is it consistent across the board. 604 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Mike, while you ponder that question. Wait, 605 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: maybe you can give me an answer. Stay put, let 606 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: me pull over and take a pause, and I'll return 607 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: right after this. I'm running any in the car doctor, 608 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: don't go away. Welcome back on an any of the 609 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: car doctor. Here. Let's see if we can get back 610 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: to MICHAELA Crosse, Wisconsin. Mic Are there, sir, Mike, Yes, sir, 611 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about your ty. We're talking about My first 612 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: question is why are the tires being rotated straight up 613 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: to straight up front to back. Understand that if the 614 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: tire is feathered on the front and it's it's worn 615 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: on the edge, or it's it's starting to pickle or 616 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: starting to lift the side a little bit of the 617 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: side of the edge of the tire. Changing the direction, 618 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: making that left front the right rear will help smooth 619 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: that tire out and extend the life of it. And 620 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: there are some situations where you purchase a tire that 621 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,479 Speaker 1: is positional and directionally can only go one way and 622 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: be on one side of the car, but you do 623 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: limit the life of the vehicle life of the tire rather. 624 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'd be surprised if these are directional tires, 625 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: but it was just something to consider. If not, let's 626 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: try crossing the tires. Let's see where that goes. Does 627 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: that change the noise at all? All? Right? Um? I, 628 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: I can't say that it's not related to when you 629 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: rotated the tires because they weren't put back right away, 630 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: and it depends on how the tires war. My my 631 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: first or my last question and my closing question is 632 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: how much tread is left on these tires? Because you 633 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: said you did them at thirty I think, and there 634 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: were sixty thousand mile rated tire here you are approaching eighty. 635 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: How much can be left on them? Are you better 636 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: off starting off with a new set of tires and 637 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: begin to diagnosis from there. And I would rather see 638 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: you do that. If the tires are worn, then purchase 639 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: a set of struts that you may not need at 640 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: this point. I'm not convinced this vehicle needs struts. And 641 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: that's my bottom line, all right, sir. Four thirty seconds 642 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: I think was the last tire credit rating on the 643 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: last check up. So it's got it's got two thirty 644 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: seconds to go. We changed tires at two thirty seconds, 645 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: So you know how consistent is that? Four thirty seconds? 646 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: Is that across the face of the tire? Are they 647 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: measuring at just in the middle? What do the edges 648 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: look like? How are they worn? I'll tell you what, Mike, 649 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: stay on the phone, give Vast Harry your information. We're 650 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: gonna send that Wicks thirty nine Ford out your way. 651 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: Help ease your pain a little bit. It's a one 652 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: eighteen scale thirty nine Ford coup hot rod from the 653 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: folks over at Wicks Filters. They're celebrating their seventy fifth 654 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: anniversary of helping protect America's engine. So stand the line, 655 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: Mike and Wisconsin. I'm run on any in the car 656 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: Doctor saying wow, fast, our real fast hour and real 657 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: great time being here. We're happy to be here, and 658 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: um keep Labor Day weekend open. As a quick reminder, 659 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: will be at the Sheridan Crossroads in Mahwah, New Jersey. 660 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: So the next hour I'm reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, 661 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: they're priceless seal