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Speaker 1: in studio and back by popular demand once again Lindsay
Speaker 1: Podcast Live. But what uh, I'm so glad to be
Speaker 1: with you guys. Frightens my day. I've brought my coat.
Speaker 1: If you're not watching, h I am wearing a big
Speaker 1: furry camo coat so you can't technically see it. She's
Speaker 1: the only one that dressed appropriately for the studio. Nice
Speaker 1: box in here. I'm not gonna lie. I don't think
Speaker 1: that thermostat works over it doesn't. It doesn't. We'll take
Speaker 1: it in working on it and it's you know, I
Speaker 1: turned it up again? Yes, Okay, now you know why
Speaker 1: we started eleven the thermostatu. He's always got something ever
Speaker 1: so or a walk off and it takes too long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you learn anything in that walk off? I did, Garrett?
Speaker 1: Would you learn? I learned that Connor Williams did surprisingly
Speaker 1: well in practice after having his knee scoped only a
Speaker 1: week and a half ago. It's wild and that if
Speaker 1: he has another good day to day and tomorrow, he's
Speaker 1: your starting left guard. So as long as he's healthy,
Speaker 1: get his job. He's healthy enough to function in the
Speaker 1: game and play well. If he has another good day
Speaker 1: or two, he's your starting left guard. What you think
Speaker 1: about this, bags, I have to say, you know, I
Speaker 1: love this offensive line and I think Connor is still
Speaker 1: learning his craft. I agree with that. I think that
Speaker 1: this NFL game is tough, and especially down in the pits,
Speaker 1: and this guy's really learning a lesson. Hopefully his peers,
Speaker 1: you know, the Fredericks and the Martins and the and
Speaker 1: the Smiths would have shown him. You know, this is
Speaker 1: how the professional way to handle this, because right now,
Speaker 1: if you're going to attack that offensive line, then they
Speaker 1: seem to always try to attack the young kid, right
Speaker 1: and he's been learning a big lesson this year. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I think he learned even bigger lesson last year. But
Speaker 1: I thought when he came back after his injury last year,
Speaker 1: he played much better than he did prior to that.
Speaker 1: And now he's a little stronger, a little bigger, and
Speaker 1: he's no longer twenty one years old. Yeah. Yeah, imagine
Speaker 1: being twenty one years old and going into that pit
Speaker 1: with grown men, you know, well, when you could have
Speaker 1: been playing another year of college. Yeah, that's true, and
Speaker 1: he was young coming out. But Lenz, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think part of it's the expectation too on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: because how many guys have they had step in right
Speaker 1: away right away, but make the Pro Bowl, make all pros,
Speaker 1: Zack Martin, those guys they were all first round picks too.
Speaker 1: It's hard to live up to that. And when they
Speaker 1: signed him, I'm sure he felt that pressure. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't just crying because he was happy,
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing the draft. I'm sure he was crying, like, man,
Speaker 1: these guys are they're the best. At that time, they
Speaker 1: were the best unit overall in the league. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's the best unit now, but at that time,
Speaker 1: they were the best unit. Who would you call the
Speaker 1: best unit right now? Offensive line? I just think maybe
Speaker 1: this offensive line is changed. I mean sometimes I get
Speaker 1: so hung up on Zeke's numbers and penning that on them.
Speaker 1: But then when it comes to pass blocking and the
Speaker 1: way Dak is hanging out back there, maybe they've I
Speaker 1: don't know how much evolving that means they've done ever since.
Speaker 1: Like no, most offensive linemen, they love to go forward.
Speaker 1: That's their thing that they're already down there, they're already
Speaker 1: leaning forward. I mean, it's so difficult to go from,
Speaker 1: you know, being in that position and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you've got to lift all of that weight,
Speaker 1: all that torso up and get back and you've got
Speaker 1: this guy leaning forward, will coming that you coming around
Speaker 1: the end, and he's getting the sack and two point
Speaker 1: eight seconds like d Law. You know, that's tough for
Speaker 1: a big man to do. But they seem to be
Speaker 1: better at pass blocking than they are well I'm blocking, yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know how that comes about.
Speaker 1: I know that it's it was tough going up against
Speaker 1: those Vikings. That was a raw, mean group of deepness
Speaker 1: in line. Right that would have been the first time
Speaker 1: I've seen, and they played it pretty straight. It's not
Speaker 1: like they overst it's anything, and they gave the Cowboys trouble.
Speaker 1: I think there's two games that have been like that
Speaker 1: this year, the Minnesota game and the New Orleans game
Speaker 1: that Saints front right was really active against him. Lenz
Speaker 1: made a great point because Travis Frederick said yesterday, you
Speaker 1: gotta look at the whole body of work the game
Speaker 1: last week. They're not where they want to be, necessarily
Speaker 1: in the run game, even though I think teams are
Speaker 1: trying to do some extra stuff to stop them. Well
Speaker 1: Detroit did, but when you look at five hundred and
Speaker 1: nine total yards, you got to look at the whole
Speaker 1: thing and say, it's a pretty good day for us blocking.
Speaker 1: And he's still only been sacked twelve times as opposed
Speaker 1: to honestly everything that says everything. There were so many
Speaker 1: times last year six DAC was on the ground, and
Speaker 1: so many I don't want to say so many, but
Speaker 1: few of his fumbles just came from getting absolutely lasted,
Speaker 1: pummeled and blasts. Let's not forget the Jets game where
Speaker 1: he just got I really thought they should have thrown
Speaker 1: at least two flags on the d lineman for just
Speaker 1: pummeling him into the ground after he's thrown the ball.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about the sacks not you can't even
Speaker 1: calculate the hits, right. I mean when I say hits,
Speaker 1: I mean slams, crashes, Yeah, collisions, you know it. I
Speaker 1: know officials are trying to get the call right, but
Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of Lebron or Shack, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not calling anything. He's an unusual quarterback, I feel
Speaker 1: saw and that's why where he is right and it's say, yeah,
Speaker 1: Dak's taking a ton of huge hits. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: to say. And has he missed the game? He is not.
Speaker 1: Has he missed the play? He's missed maybe a couple.
Speaker 1: He went into the tent he was heated, Yes he did.
Speaker 1: He did not want to go in. That's the first
Speaker 1: one I've seen him. Like, we look at this world now,
Speaker 1: so many things going on with politics, not just so
Speaker 1: much stuff going on, And to me, uh, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm just the old dude. But well, when you think
Speaker 1: of where the city has come, where the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: have come as an organization, you have a young black
Speaker 1: man who is the face of the Dallas Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: played here, Okay, that is something that I never really
Speaker 1: thought i'd see to where, of course, you see a
Speaker 1: guy playing quarterback. We had Reggie Caller who came in
Speaker 1: and one of the best athletes you ever wanted to
Speaker 1: see on a basketball court, football field. He was just amazing.
Speaker 1: But he was not built the way Dak is builds.
Speaker 1: And now don't mean physically, I mean inside. You know,
Speaker 1: his soul, his his his his character, all of that.
Speaker 1: You know, to have this kid as the face of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, that's something that you never would have
Speaker 1: thought of even ten years ago. And the way he's
Speaker 1: handling it is very unique because Jerry hadn't paid him.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gotten paid, not just Jerry, the entire league ones paid.
Speaker 1: Wentz has his money. Dak's back get kicking buck off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody's got the money. They're playing like Colap. He hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten his money and he's playing amazing. And so now
Speaker 1: you have, you know, Jerry, it seems like the only
Speaker 1: person that doesn't realize that Dak is the face of
Speaker 1: this organization. He's getting more money and endorsements than his salary.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure of that number one new one basis,
Speaker 1: what two million this year or something like that. Yeah, ments, yeah,
Speaker 1: a new one. I didn't know he was doing that
Speaker 1: sleep number Mattress. Yeah, you cannot watch a game without
Speaker 1: at leasting two dark commercials. During the commercials, at least two.
Speaker 1: He's everywhere. So so so then okay, let's say this
Speaker 1: year goes on. Let's say we have this year and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we we make the first round playoffs,
Speaker 1: lose whatever, or you know, don't even make it. God
Speaker 1: for bit uh and Dak continues to play well, so
Speaker 1: you know it was the money. Yeahually everybody knows. Everybody's
Speaker 1: paying him, right, endorsements, everybody's paying him. But Jerry, maybe
Speaker 1: that's why he's not in a hurry to sign. He's
Speaker 1: just gonna keep holding up for more. That's crazy. He's
Speaker 1: making all this other stuff on the side. It'sn't the narrative.
Speaker 1: I got to hear that narrative. I mean, why why
Speaker 1: don't you just go ahead and pay the guy? He
Speaker 1: is get being paid by everyone he and when he's
Speaker 1: on the commercials. It's not like they've got some dummy uniform.
Speaker 1: You know, this is the Dallas Cowboys this is our gear,
Speaker 1: he's our guy, So you would think that the it's
Speaker 1: it's a foregone conclusion that you're going to pay him.
Speaker 1: Just go ahead and name said it's been the small
Speaker 1: I mean, I was one of those who put my
Speaker 1: name out there and said it's gonna get done before
Speaker 1: the season starts. I thought I was gonna get done
Speaker 1: during training camp. I was wrong. And but they've said
Speaker 1: over and over it's the littlest things. And I would
Speaker 1: just love to be a fly on the wall to
Speaker 1: find out what is it the smallest thing that you
Speaker 1: guys can't get this done. I mean, they keep saying
Speaker 1: it's the smallest thing. I keep hearing that he turned
Speaker 1: down thirty. Is that true? That's what I mean. There's
Speaker 1: been so many different things. He's asking for forty and
Speaker 1: they want to give him thirty, and they want to
Speaker 1: give him thirty or you know, and maybe that's where
Speaker 1: the new commercial came from. And you know how it is.
Speaker 1: It's about the guaranteed money too. So you can make
Speaker 1: forty million a year, but if only twenty seven and
Speaker 1: a half is guaranteed like these other guys got, then
Speaker 1: you know that's that's where it's at. So, and there's
Speaker 1: been other deals that have gotten done with other other
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that have probably shifted the market and all that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think he's betting on himself
Speaker 1: to some degree, Mick, I don't know if he's betting
Speaker 1: on himself. I think they look for the pot at
Speaker 1: the end of the rainbow. Well, he could have he
Speaker 1: could have probably settled for another deal, right while his
Speaker 1: guys could have yeah, the same thing. Yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's hard, You're right everything. I think
Speaker 1: at some point it's coneclusion. He's the guy. I know
Speaker 1: there's talk he might get franchise. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think they could definitely come to an agreement before it
Speaker 1: comes down. And then I heard he's thinking, Okay, pay
Speaker 1: Coop first, let's make sure we show up some of
Speaker 1: the guys that I'm gonna be throwing too. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: heard that as well. So hopefully that that that's a
Speaker 1: very noble way to go. Hopefully that's the way he's
Speaker 1: going right now. Yeah, anything on the subject we started
Speaker 1: with with Connor Williams, what else stands out to you
Speaker 1: about the injury report for Dallas Well Collins will not
Speaker 1: practice again today? Oh, boy, and you know, they're still optimistic.
Speaker 1: But again, I think he has to do something more
Speaker 1: than what he's been doing to be able to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: he can play on Sunday. I think they were pretty
Speaker 1: hopeful that he could. He basically resprained the MCL in
Speaker 1: his right knee that he hurt before, so there was
Speaker 1: some thought after the game that well, maybe it's not
Speaker 1: as serious as it was, or maybe, you know, because
Speaker 1: of who he is, he can play through it. But
Speaker 1: I would imagine he's got to do a little something
Speaker 1: before they put him out there. So yeah, you keep
Speaker 1: an eye on that one. Joe Thomas is still ill,
Speaker 1: so he's not practicing in today either. The good news
Speaker 1: is a Zamari was out there and he hasn't been
Speaker 1: out there on Wednesdays in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Same thing for Zach Martin was out there at limited
Speaker 1: but out there, so that's an improvement too. So coop
Speaker 1: coop coop was full. Yeah, so that's encouraging because he's
Speaker 1: been fighting through stuff the last couple of games. They
Speaker 1: managed him a little bit this game, Yeah, exactly, And
Speaker 1: so that's why, ever since I'm wondering, this is my
Speaker 1: own thoughts. Tell me if I'm right or wrong on this.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys now are twofold. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: take away the past, you have Zeke, but most teams
Speaker 1: have been focused. I mean, it's been four years, three
Speaker 1: years of Ezekiel Elliott, so we're not seeing much of
Speaker 1: him in year four. Obviously, my question is which way
Speaker 1: or the Patriots gonna go. They're gonna try to take
Speaker 1: away the downfield attack because in that case, you need
Speaker 1: a Marie out there a lot more than just three catches.
Speaker 1: I promise you Belichick is going to go against the
Speaker 1: run first. He's going to He's gonna play the run first.
Speaker 1: Look for the Cowboys to come out of heavy run.
Speaker 1: And don't don't don't mistake yourself. Guy, It's not just
Speaker 1: about the system with Belichick. It's going to be about
Speaker 1: the matchups here in this game. You know you're talking
Speaker 1: about Cooper. Good to hear the Cooper is doing well,
Speaker 1: because these dbs are gonna be in his face now
Speaker 1: all night long. It's gonna be just like you know,
Speaker 1: THEVA Giants in ninety. You're gonna have a bunch of
Speaker 1: athletic guys out there, and it's gonna be a matchup
Speaker 1: problem for the Cowboys, and that's why Belichick is so
Speaker 1: insistent in his press conferences that his players need to
Speaker 1: be ready because you know, you can jam Cooper all
Speaker 1: you want. If this guy's one hundred percent, he can
Speaker 1: embarrass you. You know. And everyone knows the history of
Speaker 1: Cobb and how well he's done throughout the entire his
Speaker 1: entire career. So this is going to be an amazing
Speaker 1: matchup games. The systems are going to collide, the game
Speaker 1: plans are going to collide, but when it comes to
Speaker 1: the matchups one on one, that's going to be the
Speaker 1: key to winning this game. That's up and down the line,
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, defensive lineman, DB's wide receivers. This is going
Speaker 1: to be a straight up old school game to it.
Speaker 1: The best athlete is going to win this game. You know,
Speaker 1: the more I keep looking at this, the more I
Speaker 1: agree with you that they they work to take away
Speaker 1: the run because he has so much confidence in his
Speaker 1: corners and safeties to cover that they think, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't need to play cover too, I'm in man with
Speaker 1: single safety high. Let's go play Sometimes no safety in
Speaker 1: the middle, and they're blitzing, and they're coming at Gero
Speaker 1: coverage and they're gonna just say, Okay, if we need
Speaker 1: to overload to stop the run, that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: But I trust those guys on the back end. That's
Speaker 1: that's kind of the way they've been playing it. That's interesting,
Speaker 1: and you're right they I mean, they have Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: caliber players over the secondary. But Lindsay brought up a
Speaker 1: good point because it's at some point you've seen these
Speaker 1: last two games, all right, you want to stack the box,
Speaker 1: or you want to commit a lot of guys to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage with run blitzing whatever, we can
Speaker 1: dice you up doing that. If they go that route,
Speaker 1: that show that they can they can capitalize. But you
Speaker 1: have to you have to in those cases. You have
Speaker 1: to be able to self evaluate. I gotta know what
Speaker 1: my guys that's right, right, that's right, And a job
Speaker 1: of self evaluating right now, Mike Zimmer did. He said, Okay,
Speaker 1: my guy's in the back end can hold up right,
Speaker 1: and we're going to cause you trouble upfront. But again,
Speaker 1: you have to self I learned that from Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 1: that self evaluable. Never her to use that way. But
Speaker 1: that's was the most important thing. I can't fool myself
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, my guy can do that when you
Speaker 1: know deep down and you can't do that. I've always said,
Speaker 1: you know when you when your guy, you know you're
Speaker 1: six two and you run a four seven forty at
Speaker 1: your college. Yeah, I realize that it's all about knowing
Speaker 1: your limitations. And I always say this, if you know
Speaker 1: your limitations, then you're a stronger player because you won't
Speaker 1: try something that you know you cannot do. You will
Speaker 1: play within yourself, regardless of the emotional situations or what's
Speaker 1: going on in the field. You will play within yourself.
Speaker 1: And as a coach, you have to know how good
Speaker 1: your players are and what they can handle on the
Speaker 1: back end. That's why Bill's gonna He is so adamant
Speaker 1: with his defense about how good this team is, how
Speaker 1: potentially good this cowboy team is. And that's why you know,
Speaker 1: in that NFC title game in ninety three, when he
Speaker 1: supposedly made this bold prediction that they were going to
Speaker 1: beat the forty nine ers, right, well, he knew his team.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was trying to brag or give
Speaker 1: him a false sense of confidence. He knew that was
Speaker 1: not That confidence was not false. No, those guys he
Speaker 1: knew they were confident. Yeah, he knew they were cocky.
Speaker 1: He knew they were going to go in and win.
Speaker 1: I think that was incentive for him, wasn't it. No,
Speaker 1: that one was here? Okay, the next one they lost
Speaker 1: was in the first two. So the first one was
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and then the second one, when he
Speaker 1: was confident, was here, and then the third one was
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, both of them out there in a
Speaker 1: mud bath. You gotta be confident, but you gotta be
Speaker 1: honest about what your strengths and weaknesses are as coaches
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Speaker 1: What's popping off on periscope? Yes, a question here that
Speaker 1: I've wanted to talk about. Actually, I can't wait for
Speaker 1: you guys to hear it. Patriots pride themselves on special teams.
Speaker 1: How big of an impact is this going to be
Speaker 1: this week? When you think about their special teams unit
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys who have had two touchdowns? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that might that might be the most lopsided. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm laughing. Go in, go in, vic Fellas. I mean,
Speaker 1: this could be the deciding teams have not been good.
Speaker 1: Can somebody tell me the special team coaches name, We're
Speaker 1: not going to do that. He's gotta be accountable, He's
Speaker 1: gotta be held accountable. I must say the special teams
Speaker 1: has been the most consistent element of this team for
Speaker 1: I'd say at least the last five years, especially with
Speaker 1: the uh the field goal kickers we've had, and that's
Speaker 1: not including the last couple of years. But I'm talking
Speaker 1: about when we had, uh, we've still got one of
Speaker 1: the best punners in the league, most consistent pumbers in league.
Speaker 1: We had one of the more consistent kickers in the
Speaker 1: league a couple of years ago, and uh, we could
Speaker 1: depend on that every game. We could depend on that.
Speaker 1: Now it's different. Yeah, And you know, he started falling
Speaker 1: off that last part of the year before they let
Speaker 1: him go, and he struggled last year with the Vikings Bailey.
Speaker 1: Now he's back. Now he's back on his normal pace.
Speaker 1: So he's been pretty good. You're right. And Maha has
Speaker 1: been more consistent better lately lately, but not you know,
Speaker 1: there's some key ones that he misses that you sit
Speaker 1: there and go that could change the complexion of the
Speaker 1: game and the season itself start. But it's not only
Speaker 1: the kicking, it's the you know, yeah, covering punts and kickoffs.
Speaker 1: When we when we signed Tavon Austin, I thought, this
Speaker 1: is it, this is the excitement that we need, and
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen it. Yeah, I haven't seen any
Speaker 1: of it, whether it's communication problems or it just seems
Speaker 1: like every time he runs the ball, no matter how
Speaker 1: much room is in front of him, when he catches it,
Speaker 1: we get a negative return. I don't understand how we
Speaker 1: can do that, especially in some of the biggest games
Speaker 1: and key moments. And this team, we talked about it,
Speaker 1: how little healthy defense gives team gives the Cowboys. Special
Speaker 1: teams just really not helping much at all either, you know.
Speaker 1: And they brag about how much depth they have, and
Speaker 1: normally the depth should show up on special teams, right,
Speaker 1: and it really hasn't. You got a bunch of young
Speaker 1: guys out there. You don't have very many salty veterans
Speaker 1: that have been around the league for four or five
Speaker 1: years playing on special teams. We always had that that
Speaker 1: guy on special teams right right. It was always see
Speaker 1: Bill before that you Anthony Dickerson from SMU, just the
Speaker 1: late Anthony linebacker. Linebacker from SMU. Ron Fellows came in.
Speaker 1: He has a specialist to where University of Curry stop
Speaker 1: him from getting down the field. He was gonna make
Speaker 1: that play, make that one on one tackle, you know
Speaker 1: as the guy is retreating. Yeah, you know, we always
Speaker 1: had that excitement and it would ignite the defense because oh,
Speaker 1: now we've got them backed up even ten fifteen more
Speaker 1: yards and you know that ignites everything. So we just
Speaker 1: haven't had that from a specialist team standpoint to where
Speaker 1: Tayvon or some return guys gotten the ball, you know,
Speaker 1: taking it from you know, being at the thirty yard
Speaker 1: line to all of a sudden now with the fifty
Speaker 1: yard line. We just haven't helped your offense, had helps
Speaker 1: your office help the entire team. Yeah, absolutely, and the
Speaker 1: coverage to Mickey mentioned that there's been some some leakage
Speaker 1: on some returns um and the Patriots feast off of that.
Speaker 1: They're they're a field position team, even with Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: who's okay, his numbers aren't what they are. But when
Speaker 1: you give Tom Brady short fields, you're in trouble. Baby
Speaker 1: has some block punts too, haven't they. Yeah, block punts,
Speaker 1: defensive touchdowns. They score in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: In Yeah, yes, yes, I was trying to think that
Speaker 1: boys have a punt blocked. It's like, well, let's let's
Speaker 1: hope that I can't remember one, and let's hope we
Speaker 1: never remember one. Yes, this week, another question for you, ever,
Speaker 1: Sin do you think that Cheetah would be suited better
Speaker 1: at a different position or different role. You know, I
Speaker 1: realized I said it a couple of weeks ago, just
Speaker 1: how athletic our cornerbacks are. Extremely athletic. Jones is one
Speaker 1: of the most athletic players in the league period. He
Speaker 1: was the darling of the camp back when he was
Speaker 1: a senior. Uh A. Woozier is always shown that he
Speaker 1: can run and make some plays. It's the mental aspect.
Speaker 1: To me, it's always the mental approach to it. If
Speaker 1: you can't make plays at cornerback, I can't see moving
Speaker 1: you to another position changing that what you have to
Speaker 1: have And we ho up on this all the time,
Speaker 1: and you know, here we go again. When you start
Speaker 1: to talking about trying to make a difference as a
Speaker 1: defensive back, one thing you have to have is route recognition.
Speaker 1: You have to have route recognition. You can't just be
Speaker 1: out there running with a guy and just staring in
Speaker 1: the back of his head not really having any idea
Speaker 1: what his preferred outcome is. You know where he wants
Speaker 1: to be as a receiver on the field. You need
Speaker 1: to know that. You need to know when he's running
Speaker 1: then out route where they're gonna throw it. When he
Speaker 1: runs the slant, where's it gonna be, what they're gonna
Speaker 1: throw it? When he runs a post? What's the moves?
Speaker 1: When is it too When is it time to turn
Speaker 1: around and look for the ball? Where is that clock
Speaker 1: go off in your head? These are things that these
Speaker 1: dbs don't have, and that's something that I thought you
Speaker 1: could teach, but obviously it's very difficult to teach. Moving
Speaker 1: a Woozier would not make a difference. I don't think
Speaker 1: I'd be extremely surprised if it did, because I really
Speaker 1: haven't seen him show any great ball skills. And if
Speaker 1: you if he could show me that, then yes, I
Speaker 1: would say moving him and made a difference. But his
Speaker 1: what he lives is in his athleticism alone. It has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with ball skills. I haven't seen that yet,
Speaker 1: you know, And I know everybody harps on him because
Speaker 1: they see completions on that side of the field. But
Speaker 1: from a past defense, you know, there's one play that
Speaker 1: stands out right this whole season so far, the Jets
Speaker 1: ninety two yard completion for a touchdown. If you look
Speaker 1: at their numbers, their seventh in the league. In past defense,
Speaker 1: teams are averaging on offense like two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: some yards a game. The Cowboys are giving up like
Speaker 1: two twenty six. So the past defense hasn't hurt them.
Speaker 1: What's hurt them is the run defense. That's the consistent
Speaker 1: thing in losses that you can look at. So again,
Speaker 1: you know the Packers game, you know, okay, they gave
Speaker 1: up yards, but a lot of that had to do
Speaker 1: with the turnovers given the Packers short fields, and the
Speaker 1: Vikings game it was mistackles. Right. Yeah, So I know
Speaker 1: everybody wants to harp on one thing, you know, but
Speaker 1: as Jason said today, you know that they're gonna complete
Speaker 1: passes and you know this, The thing is, okay, I
Speaker 1: got to come back and make a play, right because
Speaker 1: they're gonna come There's a reason why these quarterbacks are throwing.
Speaker 1: All these guys get paid just like we do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're not going to pitch a shutout, but you
Speaker 1: just want to make a play here or there to say, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm here by the way if you're coming my way.
Speaker 1: So I think the things the two things we've talked
Speaker 1: about the most defensively are the tackling and the takeaways.
Speaker 1: If they improve those two areas, and they've got a
Speaker 1: shot to be really elite defense. This is the biggest
Speaker 1: test for the defense. And those two areas alone, and
Speaker 1: those are two areas where they've had the less consistency.
Speaker 1: They're gonna screen you, they're gonna use Edelman, they're gonna
Speaker 1: use Michelle White, Burkhead, all those guys. And we saw
Speaker 1: what the Vikings were able to do in the screen.
Speaker 1: And you gotta be as clean as you can be
Speaker 1: tackling assignment, gap wise, all those things. And by the way,
Speaker 1: on that injury port for the for the Patriots, the
Speaker 1: two guys that did not practice were two of their
Speaker 1: top three wide receivers. Philip door Set missed with a concussion,
Speaker 1: so you never know how soon those things clear up.
Speaker 1: And Mohammed Sanu was out with an ankle. They're saying
Speaker 1: it might be a high ankle too. We'll see what that.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's gonna Yeah, so that really that really would
Speaker 1: limit you know, they're already seemingly limited and throwing the
Speaker 1: ball down the field. They just don't do it very much,
Speaker 1: but that would severy a little them. Then then they
Speaker 1: got um, I can't pronounce. The guy's name is Knell,
Speaker 1: Harry Neil, Kneil Harry good young player. He's the other
Speaker 1: young player that he used, but he had been out
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know how much he's done.
Speaker 1: So they've got some problems at wide receiver other than Edelman,
Speaker 1: who was a big problem. By the way, all they're
Speaker 1: gonna do, it's gonna they're gonna be very strategic in
Speaker 1: what they do. If I were the Cowboys, I would
Speaker 1: come out so aggressively against the Patriots. Defensively, I'd come
Speaker 1: out extremely aggressive, make Brady uncomfortable. And what happens is
Speaker 1: when you start doing all of that, they're gonna try
Speaker 1: and get people free fast. They're gonna set picks for
Speaker 1: Element all day long. So when it comes, don't be surprised.
Speaker 1: You don't start. It's gonna happen. You might as well
Speaker 1: look forward to it. That is part of a Belichick's
Speaker 1: game plan. And that's when Element is really that's when
Speaker 1: he's a beast. When he is able to get some
Speaker 1: space and when he catches it is he's hard to
Speaker 1: bring down. So as a cornerback, when you can see
Speaker 1: you're getting picked, what's the what are you're supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Go under? You're got to communicate whatever you do. You
Speaker 1: got to communicate. We have to be on the same page.
Speaker 1: We used to practice that all the time. Once you
Speaker 1: lock on, you're on. You can't keep waiting all the
Speaker 1: way down to field for them to uncover. Now, once
Speaker 1: you lock on, then you lock on. And if once
Speaker 1: you do lock on, if you're if you're covering the
Speaker 1: got man to man, and if you lock on and
Speaker 1: he's inside of you and he's got a chance to
Speaker 1: go across the field, when you do lock on, you
Speaker 1: better make sure that you lock onto where you have
Speaker 1: the leverage on that receiver. He might go across the
Speaker 1: field and get seven eight yards. That's great, but you
Speaker 1: don't want him breaking down the field and you're chasing
Speaker 1: him for thirty four the years. That's not what you want.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just have to pick your battles. I was
Speaker 1: decent at that when I played. You're gonna give up something,
Speaker 1: and as in the flex, that's what the way we
Speaker 1: were taught to play it by the Cowboys. You have
Speaker 1: to give up something as a defensive back, but don't
Speaker 1: give up the big play. And to me that that
Speaker 1: works well for almost any defensive strategy. So if a
Speaker 1: guys getting ready to pick you do you want to
Speaker 1: run into them and hope they throw a flag or
Speaker 1: you try to get through it. If I run through him,
Speaker 1: then I'm running through him in order to get through it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get to show something because I'm
Speaker 1: If you flop and it doesn't work, he's going your arms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that quap. You can't depend on that. You've got to
Speaker 1: stay alive and at the same time show that you're
Speaker 1: fighting through exactly exactly before we go to break lens.
Speaker 1: You were a baller back in the day. I'm making it.
Speaker 1: I'm making an MJ comparison here because it were you
Speaker 1: at all. That Tom Brady who looks for any slight
Speaker 1: ever as motivation, just like Michael Jordan did. That's who
Speaker 1: I think of that everybody's trying to kind of bury
Speaker 1: him a little bit. That happened last year? Was it
Speaker 1: last year? Yeah? Actually he was like you know what,
Speaker 1: everybody said, we suck. Here we are again with another
Speaker 1: another drophe I mean, I feel like last year they
Speaker 1: got it worse than this year. Maybe so, maybe so.
Speaker 1: I just there's just all this talk that he's forty
Speaker 1: two and his numbers are down, just like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: not too happy with it either. Too many interviews about it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: too many questions about it. He did say, I grew
Speaker 1: up hating the Cowboys, so I don't know that. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh that's right, that's right. So we I mean, still,
Speaker 1: he's got he's got to show me. He's still to go.
Speaker 1: We've got to bring it to him. You can't play
Speaker 1: scared against this guy. You can't play scared against this
Speaker 1: entire team. I think you're right. This is how and
Speaker 1: this is how sharp he is. I saw his interview
Speaker 1: yesterday after practice and somebody asked him about the two
Speaker 1: wide receivers being out, and he looked at him and
Speaker 1: he goes, they're out, they didn't practice. And the guy goes,
Speaker 1: he goes, was that already officially announced? And the guy goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's already out. Here goes oh okay, And then he
Speaker 1: answered the question. He goes, I thought you were trying
Speaker 1: to get me right, Yeah, we beltre could play games
Speaker 1: with the reporters, so then they will turn around and
Speaker 1: try to see get the plays. Yeah right, he is
Speaker 1: the best at that. Absolutely. All right, let's take our
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Speaker 1: we say, do you guys realize that how many? How
Speaker 1: many super Bowl rings as Burkehead have, finest? My fellow
Speaker 1: play of senior Wildcat? Is that where you went? Where
Speaker 1: I went? Sir? Yeah, I'm playing the West guy. My
Speaker 1: son's playing a West nice. I think he played against Burckhead.
Speaker 1: He probably did. Um, that'll have to be a Google question.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he has at least two super Bowls.
Speaker 1: I know he's got last birthhead. How many super Bowl
Speaker 1: rings do you see? Yeah? And I was just saying,
Speaker 1: when you think of all the guys from Dallas, the
Speaker 1: play ball, Harvey Martin, myself, Michael Downs, you know all
Speaker 1: these players, uh, Calvin Lockhart's by Lockhart, all these guys.
Speaker 1: I think he has more rings than anybody else, and
Speaker 1: anybody else from the Dallas area. I keep to leave
Speaker 1: has his his one burkhead actually only has one ring.
Speaker 1: Just went from last year. Yeah, it was from last season.
Speaker 1: Was that his first year in New England? Last year?
Speaker 1: I think it might have been, Well now I think
Speaker 1: it was his second because I remember talking to his dad.
Speaker 1: He was a free agent at some point and he
Speaker 1: decided to go back to New England and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, his thinking was, you know, these people know me.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable there, I've been there. Don't want to ring,
Speaker 1: don't want to go something. I was surprised to see
Speaker 1: him back, I know. And it turned out okay, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he was one of those jack of all trade
Speaker 1: guys that you just love to have. I remember from
Speaker 1: playing though he was he was crazy. He was Bill
Speaker 1: Jones would be all over this ring when people don't
Speaker 1: get the respect when they're the local guys. And he
Speaker 1: loved X from they were using them against Philadelphia. I
Speaker 1: mean they were handing them the ball. I started to
Speaker 1: ask him about it yesterday, I really did. I started
Speaker 1: to ask Bill about it yesterday because this guy, that's
Speaker 1: his guy. He's a guy that I just never even
Speaker 1: as good as he was in high school. When Nebraska, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: goes to Nebraska, you think he's just a good college player.
Speaker 1: He'll never make it, you know, And I was pleasant
Speaker 1: le surprise. Yeah he made it doing so well. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you can say when when Belichick can depend on
Speaker 1: you in special situations, I don't care if you get
Speaker 1: an All Pro Hall of Fame whatever, you can always
Speaker 1: say Belichick depended on me. I was one of his guys,
Speaker 1: and I think I think he is one of Belichick's favorites.
Speaker 1: He helped salt that Super Bowl away for them in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, and he's fit right in with that.
Speaker 1: They always use a stable of backs, Michelle White, he's
Speaker 1: part of it. To last week, he big player. I
Speaker 1: think about thirty plus yards on the pass play that
Speaker 1: really helped him seal the game. Did you guys catch
Speaker 1: the I used it in my mix shots, But Jerry's
Speaker 1: interview on Monday, when they asked him about Belichick and
Speaker 1: then they asked him, did you have any you know,
Speaker 1: relationship with him before or whatever? And Jerry tells the story.
Speaker 1: He didn't give the year, but it had to be
Speaker 1: after the ninety five season, okay, and the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. He said he was at a
Speaker 1: ski resort and he was in line trying to rent
Speaker 1: skis for his grandkids, and he goes some guy behind
Speaker 1: me kept bumping into me and bumping into me. He said,
Speaker 1: I turned around and looked, and he said, he's got
Speaker 1: his goggles on, you know, got a hat on. He
Speaker 1: doesn't recognize him, right, and he goes in. Finally the
Speaker 1: guy raised his goggles up and it was Belichick. Belichick
Speaker 1: was in the ski line behind him and and he said,
Speaker 1: we made small talk, and he said Belichick told me.
Speaker 1: He goes, hey, you know, if if you ever need
Speaker 1: a good coach, come call me right. Wow. And this
Speaker 1: was after he got fired at Cleveland and he was
Speaker 1: looking for a job. Wow. So who do we have
Speaker 1: at that time? Wow? Switzer had just won a Super Bowl. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So we missed that opportunity and he ended up going
Speaker 1: to the Jets with ourselves one blowing opportunity right there,
Speaker 1: big time. But he was like forty four and sixty
Speaker 1: or something. See Belichick doing anything but coaching. They had
Speaker 1: they had an episode of him on his boat. It
Speaker 1: was six Wings. Is that the name of the boat is? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like some boat. Yeah whatever. I just you know,
Speaker 1: it looks so out of place. He was kicked back
Speaker 1: with a beard, you know, him, Him and Sabing, same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't seem like you're pretending to be comfortable on
Speaker 1: this boat, but you're cringing inside because you want to be.
Speaker 1: He's out there in sunshine, but really in his mind,
Speaker 1: he's he's at uh at the stadium, you know, and
Speaker 1: in blizzard driven snow. Watch out for those boats. That's why.
Speaker 1: When when when? Yeah, right, yeah, regardless of the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when Jimmy, when Jimmy and Jerry had their little party
Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl and twenty eight, Jimmy took him vacation,
Speaker 1: right he was gone from the ranch and I saw
Speaker 1: him come back and it's like, the heck have you been?
Speaker 1: He goes took two weeks off? I got you took
Speaker 1: a vacation? He goes first one I took since I
Speaker 1: was coaching at Oklahoma State, right and then, right then
Speaker 1: and there, I said, oh he had that boat. He
Speaker 1: was in Miami. He might have find out there's more
Speaker 1: to life than just coaching football. Right and sure enough,
Speaker 1: you know he was looking for a little out after
Speaker 1: that season about Jimmy. But man, he's got a great
Speaker 1: hair to hair, he does, got the best hair to
Speaker 1: hear still he does. Golly, dude, I can imagine with
Speaker 1: that tan, he's probably looking like, who's some batman? What's
Speaker 1: that guy? Who's the joker? Was a sit Sesar or somebody? Yeah,
Speaker 1: with the just silver, yes, but all of it. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: can't beat that. Football lifers belichicks. That's yeah, he's one.
Speaker 1: They're nine and one guys on the show with hair
Speaker 1: and me. He got great hair, man, you got great hair.
Speaker 1: We're back to Marl Lynn. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 1: I have great hair, he does. Bill Jones has a
Speaker 1: great hair too. He'll be back wrap up the week Friday. Thanks. Thanks,
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