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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Q.

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Speaker 2: This is one of my teammates, a baller, you know,

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Speaker 2: the best two going out didn't play with especially over you.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. My got you a you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So yeah, we got my guy

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Speaker 2: in the building. Man, da Man, we appreciate you coming

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Speaker 2: to rock with us.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love, always love playing with you.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I loved your career, your game and all that.

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Speaker 2: Man, Jordan brand Brother, Yes, sir, so man, we appreciate

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Speaker 4: Bro always. I love y'all. Man, y'all some good dudes,

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Speaker 4: crazy as hell. I love y'all.

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Speaker 2: First of all, when you first got to the NBA,

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Speaker 2: who's the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Are you besides MJ?

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Speaker 3: Nah? He was first. I want to hear the MJ.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I always tell people like MJ was always hard

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Speaker 4: because he was who he was. But I'm gonna be honest, man,

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Speaker 4: Mitch Richmond kipt me. He was coming across the land,

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Speaker 4: you know how to had a business small guard screen

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Speaker 4: Mitch Richmond with elbow me trying to get to the

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Speaker 4: post up and I'm getting beat up, costing the lane.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, the hell, let's do the offense beating me up.

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, this is different. Strong and he wasn't

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Speaker 4: doing the dribble moves, so he was basically posting me

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Speaker 4: up coming off screens, and that dude wild pushed me

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Speaker 4: strong as ang and he had like he was smart,

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Speaker 4: so he wouldn't just set up because I was long,

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Speaker 4: so I was guarding, like you know, I'm gonna give

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Speaker 4: you a little bit of space. Dude just physically beating

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Speaker 4: me up. After that game, I had like a couple

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Speaker 4: of bruises dropped my little bust. I'm like, damn, I

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Speaker 4: did all this, Dude, he did his help. Wasn't nobody else.

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Speaker 1: He gave you buckets and beat you up.

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Speaker 4: He killed me when I was in this hot til.

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Speaker 4: I was in the cold tub after the game and

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Speaker 4: we were supposed to leave and I was almost late

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Speaker 4: to the bus. I said, and I'm like getting that.

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Speaker 4: This dude killed me. Dude was a beast.

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Speaker 3: Yo, yo yo. We live on location. We got a

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Speaker 3: special one today, baby. We got a former teammate, We

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Speaker 3: got a Jordan brand and represented. We got Louisville's finance

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Speaker 3: we got a champion of the community. We got a

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, make sure y'all say after his name.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Say Champ before or after

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Speaker 1: his name.

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Speaker 3: Man, Yes, appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Here, brother, Louisville, Kentucky. How did you get into basketball?

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Speaker 2: Because I heard that when you was team you start

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Speaker 4: Well? I was actually a football player at times, and

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Speaker 4: I love playing football because you know, outside back in

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Speaker 4: the day, you just didn't have hoops the older dudes,

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Speaker 4: of course, so we just kind of played outside. We

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Speaker 4: so we was just football. One day I came home.

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Speaker 4: My dad already left. He was a street dude, so

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Speaker 4: I didn't see him for a while. But my mother

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Speaker 4: got on drugs, got drinking. My brother ran away from home.

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Speaker 4: So I came home. Man, the empty apartment like she

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Speaker 4: I was eleven, about to be twelve, and I was

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Speaker 4: then it was a neighborhood, so, you know, kept my

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Speaker 4: But I just started playing every single day. It'd be cold,

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Speaker 4: I just stayed in and stayed out the streets, and

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Speaker 3: How do you, like you said eleven twelve? You know

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well what happened was I knew how to cook

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Speaker 4: I was just cooking. I was going to the grocery store.

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Speaker 4: Is when Dixie and you could carry people's bags or

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Speaker 4: I was figuring it out. I was in my empty apartment,

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Speaker 4: I survived, bro Like, I was just in neighborhood. My friends,

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Speaker 4: I was going over their house. They looked out for me.

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Speaker 4: But man, I was always yes, sir, yes ma'am, Can

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Speaker 4: I help you, Can I do something? Can I let somethingout?

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Speaker 4: Some older dudes cross the street taught me how to

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Speaker 4: I just found jobs. But my attitude was like positive,

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Speaker 4: It was just it was just drug builders game. It

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Speaker 4: President Clinton came to him down. They said many people

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Speaker 1: How did you not get involved with drugs?

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Speaker 2: Because you know, coming from the hood, the easiest job

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Got a spot, Yeah, like the easiest job in the hood.

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Speaker 2: And I know the influence of everybody else around you.

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Speaker 2: But like how you persevered to make sure you was

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Speaker 2: to make sure you was doing all this without having

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Speaker 4: Well, it was my best friend Terrence to it. Me

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Speaker 4: how did this dude they're driving a car like he

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Speaker 4: we ain't doing this, like we're gonna find another way.

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Speaker 4: And then I had older dudes too, like a Jerry

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Speaker 4: it was older dudes and saying, y'all go play sports.

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Speaker 4: Leave it alone. So we kind of had a pat

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Speaker 4: watching how it was moving. Man, it wasn't smart for us,

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Speaker 4: and we were both playing sports. He played football, so

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Speaker 4: It was dudes. There was so many dudes in our

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Speaker 4: they went to that street and none of them made

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Speaker 1: About not one of them, so right back there. Yeah, so.

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Speaker 4: Y'all know what it is. But it's just it's just

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Speaker 4: when you have a mindset, man, I'd rather miss out

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Speaker 4: Like it was nice that I'd be literally I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: I'm good, bro. I'll go ask some kicks. I go

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Speaker 4: ask some cookies. I could do something, but I was

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Speaker 4: fear factor that made us stay on the right path.

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Speaker 4: But what for my best friend, bro Terrence, Like he

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Speaker 4: was like spark sock. He wanted them dudes to give in.

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Speaker 4: He didn't type to do right now. You say, hey, man,

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Speaker 4: you know, don't tell nobody why me? He said, Man,

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Speaker 4: I ain't lying like he want them dudes like, nah,

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Speaker 4: we ain't. Like So his solidness, man, helped me get

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Speaker 2: So you going through that and you know, you tending

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Speaker 2: to yourself and you know you're doing everything for yourself,

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Speaker 2: but then you become a parent early, Like how did

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Speaker 2: I know, that's that's even more a lot, you know,

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Speaker 2: because now you got to tend for another mouth. You

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I was when I was fourteen. I was

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Speaker 4: kicking with this girl. She was older, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I didn't have a place to stay. You don't have

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Speaker 4: time I had to come in, none of that. So right,

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Speaker 4: I'm just basically going house to house. I had the

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Speaker 4: we did it, you know, she got pregnant. So I'm like, oh, man,

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Speaker 4: what's this meaning? Then her mother was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, we didn't have YouTube. I wouldn't watch college games.

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Speaker 3: That's all I thought. Yeah, he was out of before.

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Speaker 4: that dude told me to work out with him. Like

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00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,560
Speaker 4: so I learned all the tricks of the trade from

433
00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,760
Speaker 4: that dude. Like he was smart. He knew how to

434
00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,000
Speaker 4: handle his pressure, like he could calm everything. He knew

435
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,560
Speaker 4: our lead. So he became my first mentor I had

436
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,760
Speaker 4: as far as basketball man, and he told me a lot.

437
00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,280
Speaker 4: That dude show that do a lot of respect. Shout

438
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:56,960
Speaker 4: out to JJ man Love.

439
00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,760
Speaker 3: I played with jim Jack. That was my old g was.

440
00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,440
Speaker 3: You know, we had a year of success. But but listen,

441
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,760
Speaker 3: let me ask you, how was it for you transitioning

442
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,760
Speaker 3: from you know, being in Louisville moving How you was

443
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,880
Speaker 3: having to move and then have your son, you bring

444
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,600
Speaker 3: your son to school with you to college?

445
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,480
Speaker 4: No, she got out. She got to keep it. So

446
00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,560
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I was free. I tell you,

447
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,639
Speaker 4: I was free. I was so happy that I could sleep.

448
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,359
Speaker 4: I was in a different world. And you know, I've

449
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,639
Speaker 4: never been a training table. So we was eating. Training

450
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,359
Speaker 4: table was Eddie, George, all the people there. So I

451
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,560
Speaker 4: went to training table and I was grabbing some food

452
00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,240
Speaker 4: to go, and he was like, what you doing. I'm like,

453
00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,680
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know how we're gonna eat tomorrow.

454
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:41,080
Speaker 4: You know, I'm thinking about I think I'm back this day.

455
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,720
Speaker 3: This we got you good?

456
00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,399
Speaker 1: You coming here anytime I had.

457
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,760
Speaker 4: Like you know, how to start from that, I had

458
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,639
Speaker 4: like three of them. I was carrying him like like

459
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,399
Speaker 4: somebody stealing something. I said, no, man, I don't know

460
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,320
Speaker 4: what y'all said. I got to eat tomorrow morning. I

461
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,439
Speaker 4: don't know what's gonna happen. He's like, nah, bloody be

462
00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,040
Speaker 4: here tomorrow. I said you should. So that was funny.

463
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,840
Speaker 4: But I got to breathe, man, and my life just

464
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,199
Speaker 4: changed like that was people ask me. I said, the

465
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,960
Speaker 4: best time in my life was I finally got to

466
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 4: be a kid. Those are my nearest in college. Man.

467
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 4: I just finally got to just have some fun. You know,

468
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 4: I had no stress over my head. I got on

469
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,119
Speaker 4: a greathound to go see my son. How crazy it

470
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 4: was back then, you didn't have cars, People couldn't just

471
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,639
Speaker 4: pick you up and take me places like the vinaw

472
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 4: but I had to give them a great ID. Just

473
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:26,919
Speaker 4: get back to Kentucky.

474
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,879
Speaker 2: People don't even know what the greyhound is, man, that's crazy.

475
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,719
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the greyhound is. I used

476
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,120
Speaker 2: to ride the greyhound all the time.

477
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,359
Speaker 4: Get that ticket. You don't need a don't or nothing.

478
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,159
Speaker 3: Just check out on that job. Let me ask you this,

479
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 3: did you ever, like especially that first year, like you're saying,

480
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,479
Speaker 3: you just started you feeling free and all this? Did

481
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,919
Speaker 3: you How many times did you just find yourself like

482
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 3: you know, whether you were walking around campus or whatever,

483
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 3: like you say, a training table, You're just like, damn,

484
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,720
Speaker 3: I can't believe that this is what I got going

485
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 3: on from where I just was going through some serious

486
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 3: stuff that kids don't need to be going through. And

487
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 3: now you're in this big, big grand university and you,

488
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying, you like you said

489
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 3: you was kind of stress free going through regular stuff,

490
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 3: not like the stuff that you were going through. How

491
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 3: was that for you?

492
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 4: When I tell you, man, it was literally I ain't

493
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 4: never been in jail, but I bet just would have

494
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 4: felt like being out like the freedom. Man, it was

495
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 4: just like I could finally figure out who I was

496
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 4: was Dereck Hennerson, you know, because at first I was

497
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 4: just a dad, I was a hooper. But I'm just like, man,

498
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 4: I didn't even know how to breathe, right, bro, Like

499
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 4: I walked around that campus man and just just taking

500
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 4: it in. And what was crazy was, Man, I had

501
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 4: a sister of mine, stepsister. She got stabbed and killed

502
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 4: by my father, my father's best friend. So I remember

503
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 4: I met this lady at the gym. Her name was Jalana,

504
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 4: the same name as my sister. And I went outside

505
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 4: but and I just started crying. Man. I'm thinking, like

506
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 4: what am I crying about it? And I'm like, man,

507
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 4: you just made it to a point where a lot

508
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 4: of people came, you know what I mean. So it

509
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 4: just hit me. It was like, damn, I'm in a

510
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 4: different place. So I really started appreciating life. Man. I

511
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 4: stopped worrying about sports. I stopped worrying about anything. I said,

512
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 4: you better enjoy every single day. So everybody's like, why

513
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 4: are you always smiling? I said, bro, if you know

514
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 4: what I've been through, you be you be You be

515
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 4: smiling too, to know that you got this spot, so

516
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 4: to me, I just started changing who I was as

517
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,479
Speaker 4: a person. I just started smiling all the time. I said, Man,

518
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna let nobody crash me out. Man, I'm

519
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 4: just gonna enjoy this life. And then whatever happens happened.

520
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 4: So it was that was that moment I started crying

521
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 4: bro my thinking about my sister, because I'm like, man,

522
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 4: some people don't even make it happen, especially from where

523
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 4: we come from. You know, back in the early late

524
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 4: eighties and nineties, man and drugs and gang bang they

525
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 4: just got rampant. So I probably lost I lost more

526
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 4: friends than I know of back in the eighties and nineties.

527
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 4: I've lost my entire life. But that for the last

528
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 4: thirty four years, I lost about ten fifteen guys that

529
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 4: I grew up with new like, they're dead to violence

530
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 4: and drugs. So I'm just like it was rough times.

531
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 4: And man, at college, I tell my sons, when you

532
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 4: go to college, it's gonna be the best time in

533
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 4: your life. I ain't had no bills, I had no lists.

534
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 4: I said, you better find a way to college and

535
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 4: enjoy your life. As I tell every single day, college

536
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 4: is the best time in your life. And don't you

537
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 4: think about leaving early?

538
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: All sticky, stick it on now, like these kids transferred,

539
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 2: like just when soon as they change their mind, I'm out.

540
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: They changed the German season, now that was out.

541
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm already made up my mind. I'm out.

542
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: And it's like I tell my tell my sons now, like, hey,

543
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: once you commit, you sticking to it?

544
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 3: He nah, ain't. They ain't like that no more. They

545
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: get there and they say, all this saint what you

546
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: said it was. You ain't do what you said you

547
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 3: were gonna do. I'm out.

548
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 4: Don't care about playing get better.

549
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 3: None of that.

550
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: I can't get no verb verbal agreements, man, you gotta

551
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: get that in black and white, now, verbal agreed.

552
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 4: I know did this on purpose, right, they did it.

553
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: They said we're gonna let were gonna let the rains

554
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 4: just go. We said we're gonna let y'all active food

555
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: just so y'all see the point. I'm like they did

556
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 4: wrong for that man.

557
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: It sposed to have been real organized. They didn't organize.

558
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 2: They managed the wild wild West. And you don't know

559
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: who's getting what what they're getting. You know, they're doing

560
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: this ship without contracts for real.

561
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: Remember the one boy from Florida. He's suing for what

562
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: they told him. They told him crazy, nothing that he

563
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 3: ain't seen nowhere near it. They got a case.

564
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's getting crazy here.

565
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: Basketball wise, when you got to Ohio State, they was

566
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten, right, So basketball wise, Higo State,

567
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: how was that because you you know your average team

568
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 2: your freshman year and then you went to sixteen, starting

569
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: all the games your sophomore year.

570
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so you could get back. Then it

571
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 4: was a fab five you had. Indiana was undefeated with

572
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 4: Cavi Chain team boy, you.

573
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: Had that big cavere Chain.

574
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: You had big big dog doll over there.

575
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shy Rescue Shine Rest.

576
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 4: But State, hold on, I forget y'all, forget what Sean

577
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 4: Lennard was in Minnesota. And then you have Mike Philly

578
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 4: and Big Griffin at Wisconsin West. The sat had balls.

579
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 3: So you a good time for the big big good time.

580
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: The best time was Big ten, with the.

581
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 4: Hardest times too. He made me go. I had to

582
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 4: play the one, two and the three, so I would

583
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 4: guard Lan Rose because he was a PG and I

584
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 4: was tall. Then I would chase Sean Rest with all screens.

585
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 4: Then I had to go somebody like a Damon Bailey

586
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 4: in Indiana because he was a strong point guard. I'm

587
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 4: like that time, all the guys stayed if you look,

588
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 4: even big Dog was a junior like you stayed in

589
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 4: the sophomores in juniors and them dude was strong, like

590
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 4: Chris Webber grabbed the ball one time we were scramming

591
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 4: for the ball. He picked it up with his little

592
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 4: mit and just went up and dumped, and everybody was like, dude, nteen,

593
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 4: that's a grown ass man in the chill. I said, yeah,

594
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 4: this is this is different. You know, I cover from Kentucky.

595
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: We have more athletes than we do, so I'm like,

596
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 4: sixty five is a point guard, but everybody else like

597
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 4: six six six seven. But when I got to Ohio

598
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: State and saw them launch thunderbird Greg Symptom, he was cold,

599
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 4: Greg strong. To them, dudes are like athletic hands strong.

600
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is that's why I ain't want to

601
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: go to the big team because I felt like that's

602
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: all it was like you had bias dudes. Iowa corn

603
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: fed boys Wisconsin. I will produe them, man, especially like

604
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: you say in our era, your era then I was behind.

605
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: They had them big ass. That's when power forwards was

606
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 3: six nine and strong and your centers was like seven

607
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: feet and strong.

608
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 4: They like that slow picking. They would come in. So

609
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: ship a whole ship the L boy, your back and

610
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 4: the reference, none of that.

611
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: No, none of that. Damn.

612
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: So you chew your A C L after your sophomore

613
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. What was the process of making decisions to transfer?

614
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: Because this is the in the era where if you transfer,

615
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: you got to sit the whole year out, You gotta

616
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: do all that stuff. What made the decision of you

617
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: going to Kentucky in that process?

618
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 4: Again, that was forts because I wasn't on legal ill state.

619
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: I was having a great time. I had billboards, I

620
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: had a guy hadn't made up there, and I was like, man,

621
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 4: I ain't going to work like.

622
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: Man on campus. You know nothing about that. He adn't

623
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: go but go ahead, go ahead.

624
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you missed that. I was great, remembery uh?

625
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, I when I toured the like Greg Simpson,

626
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: he was thinking about transferred. And then we had three

627
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 4: other freshmen and got kicked off the team for off

628
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 4: court incident. So our whole freshman class is like that.

629
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 4: Then we had four seniors and left like Thunderberg went

630
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 4: to the NBA James Chet. They all left, so I'm like,

631
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 4: this is gonna be me and two other dudes. One

632
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: of them was a walk on. I'm like, man, I'm

633
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 4: not standing here, not with this. And then they said

634
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 4: they might go on probation for supposed to be legally

635
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 4: recruiting something bad. So I'm like, man, I gotta go.

636
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: This is crazy. And I said, and I can rest

637
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 4: in a c M because I said I got hurt

638
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 4: in February. Yes, I got hurt in February. So I

639
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I was sitting out anywhere. This

640
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: is crazy. So I've transferred. As soon as I put

641
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: that I was transferring. Rick Potino left a voicemail in

642
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: my dorm in my apartment while I was staying at

643
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 4: so I was like, Rick Potinos, I think it's a

644
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: frank and then like I left, then gone him back.

645
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: I left, I don't know where I went. I came

646
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: back and it was another voicemail. He said, hey, there,

647
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 4: because gonna make sure I give you a touch and

648
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: he said, man, I'm thinking like, man, is this really

649
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 4: his coach? We called this dude back. So I called

650
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 4: him back and he's like man, I will you know,

651
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 4: we got a scholarship. Open love to have you come down.

652
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 4: You know you had to sit out, but you know

653
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: some of the guys would be gone. Roger would be gone.

654
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: We don't know how the guys, but you know, I

655
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 4: give you opportunity because we had played him in Maui

656
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: that year and I had like twenty something against him,

657
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: and so he remembered me playing against him. I'm like, damn,

658
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: it was cool. So he called me man. I went

659
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: down there like it was August. School just about to

660
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 4: start and Lexington we on quart assystem at the out

661
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 4: of state so we didn't start to the September. I

662
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 4: went down there. Man said, come on, He said what

663
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: you need. I said, my stuff is up at the

664
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: our state. I got to get it. He said, don't

665
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: worry about it. Enrolled.

666
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah he did.

667
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 4: I stayed there that day and he sent people back

668
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: whoever they went and grabbed my stuff and brought it

669
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: back to the door. I never went back to our state.

670
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 4: I don wanted them to visit. I was like, man,

671
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: it's may is serious like and again he showed me

672
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: his loyal and I was like, okay, he's for real,

673
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 4: but I want me to come, so I stayed down there.

674
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 4: That was the reason I left for I State because

675
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 4: of the situation where the guys were all getting kicked off.

676
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: My whole freshman class is gone, like Greg transfer and

677
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: the other guys got kicked off and the four other

678
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 4: guys graduating so impossible probation and probation. So I was like, man,

679
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: this ain't it. I didn't want to leave, but it was.

680
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 4: It was like the four situation man, and the the

681
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 4: best decision I haven't made.

682
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 3: Honestly, How was it when you got there and you

683
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: saw the difference, Like because Ohio State ain't know, this

684
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: is a big time university. You got the football team,

685
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: the cord Shoe going crazy, Like how was it when

686
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: you got there? You got introduced the big Blue nation?

687
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: I used to we all know how how like how

688
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: fanatical those fans are UK? So how was that going

689
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: from Ohio State and then you walking into you didn't

690
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: you didn't have it? Like I couldn't understand why you're

691
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: saying college was the best year is your life? If

692
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: now that you're saying this, like this like looking at

693
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: you and you the big man. Now you come over

694
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: here and it's like like How was that going from

695
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: Ohio State and then going to the big Blue Nation.

696
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a prime example. I used to go

697
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: to the mall in Ohio State. I would get a

698
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: few pictures here and there. I went to the mall

699
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: of Kentucky and get killed. They were like, man, we

700
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: can't wait to see you. We remember you beat us,

701
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: and we remember you played against us. And I was

702
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 4: still injured.

703
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 3: Bro.

704
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: I was lipping through the mall to get me some

705
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: Jews and when the people were like, hey, yes, there,

706
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: I was like, because it was in.

707
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: A newspaper that I was coming everything.

708
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 4: When I tell you, bro I got I was like, man,

709
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: I can't make it. The security du say, man, you

710
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: might want to go. Players don't come at this time.

711
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: It was a Saturday, he said, most players don't come

712
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: through the mall. This damn so many people here. I'm like,

713
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 4: don't nobody usually bother.

714
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: Me like this?

715
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: Like like it's like no, it was. I mean I

716
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 4: took about I guarantee you I was. I was getting

717
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: autographs signing. You know you're gonna do autograss shigning. It

718
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: was like that people was coming through the door. I

719
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: look out, it was people and I said, Man, going on,

720
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: I haven't even played yet. I said, this is crazy.

721
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 4: So the rest yeah, So that that was an introduction.

722
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: I'm just like, this is nuts. And when I went

723
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: to campus, Man, it was like it was all of

724
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: my teammates knew me. But I played with Tony Delk

725
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: and Walston McCarty and McDonald's Classic in Kentucky had a

726
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: class at McDonald's. So I played with them and there

727
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 4: so I knew them, but I didn't. I didn't know

728
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 4: the rest of the team. So Man, we got to

729
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: be cool. They welcomed me in. I sat out that

730
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 4: year and the next year, man, and the part I

731
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: pride my cell phone was I have a sixteen and

732
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 4: I had twenty against them. But the year I started

733
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: and played, I averaged like nine or ten or something

734
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 4: like that. I didn't I didn't try to shoot and

735
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: take all the shots, because you know, we had Tony

736
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 4: had Antoine Walker, he had Ron Mercer. I mean we

737
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 4: was low.

738
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: That's what started. That's what started started. That's the squades.

739
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: You Ryan Mercer walked off.

740
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: I remember that, man.

741
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 4: It was u. I took his back seat, man, because

742
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: I wanted to win. And from that point on, I said,

743
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be an un selfish player. I ain't worrying

744
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: about me. I just wanted to win. But if I had,

745
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: I had twenty something on y'all and I have a sixteen,

746
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 4: why would I take a back seat to y'all? Then

747
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: coach Latino Roden did an interview and said he's our

748
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: best all around player. He put that out there before

749
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: the season started. I'm like, this ain't gonna work with Antoine.

750
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: I know none of it is he go out here

751
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: and kill somebody and and be old him and Tony

752
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: duck let us and Scorn and I know the rest.

753
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: How was it to go to the tournament, to walk

754
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: that whole thing down and go on that journey and

755
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: then win the national championship? Bro, Like that's the first

756
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: year planing, that's that's that's as big as it gets

757
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: in college and you getting to feel that vibe. How

758
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: was that?

759
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: It was? Great? Man? It was? It was. I still

760
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: to this day. It was better than the NBA because

761
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: it was like kind of a short time that you

762
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 4: only had to win. And for us it was like

763
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: we had fun. Man, Like we had a wrestling group.

764
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: One was pushed back, the other was big like we

765
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: were just wrestling. We were having fun. Nobody cares how

766
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: much money you had, Nobody was tripping on anything, and man,

767
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 4: we just had a good time. Teammate bro so to me,

768
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: we had a journey of fun. Like I don't know

769
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: if y'all remember, but we scored eighty six points and

770
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: halftime against LSU at LSU. We try to google it.

771
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: We scored eighty six points in twenty minutes at LSU.

772
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: If you google it, you'd be like, hell, y'all do

773
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 4: that because we didn't care about who got the shine,

774
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: Like everybody was paying. Jeff Sheppard was on the team,

775
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: like Naza Muhammas got paget. Wayne Turner was burnt. He

776
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: was killing vs.

777
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Y'all put like nine pros in the NBA.

778
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: Seven first, this was nothing. We did it all together.

779
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: Like even the coach now Mark Pope is a head coach,

780
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 4: he's doing that for the program now, He's like, man,

781
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 4: you got to play as a team. Everybody gonna eat

782
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 4: when you win. And I think that was the thing.

783
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: We didn't believe in that because we all came from

784
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 4: different certain things. I want to be the man Tony Ron.

785
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: Everybody wanted to be the man. But when we all

786
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: started liking each other as dudes and brothers, that's when

787
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 4: we all changed our name. Man. We just like bro.

788
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 4: We was beating shit out of here when I tell you,

789
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: we was dog walking people. You can look at the

790
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: score was like a twenty something point victory all season long.

791
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: So it wasn't like we had We had like two

792
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: or three toughy foods running.

793
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: The one started Kentucky Man with them guys to come

794
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: to Kentucky Man.

795
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: That group was the one who started the change.

796
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: Three chances.

797
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: Everybody love the way y'all play freelance.

798
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: I mean, you could shoot any shot you want. Some

799
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: those who play defense Antoine Tony doesn't come off the screen.

800
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: He might be down there a half court shoot it,

801
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: but you better play some defense. If I missing a

802
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: shot and you get three, vand Q, wherever are you at?

803
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: Where you at? You be like, damn, but you just missed,

804
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: Get back and play just now You're gonna be gonna

805
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: be right where you at. So he taught us a

806
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 4: lot man coach. He was the head of the coach

807
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: Man and we had some good dudes. Wins to Bell

808
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 4: all the dude. They were some good coaches. Man. So

809
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: we had a solid year because everybody sacrifice most guys

810
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 4: would do. You know, ro was all American like top

811
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 4: player him and I think was crazy nice. So he

812
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: started and come off and started walk and he played

813
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: this role he bought in and he had like twenty

814
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: I think on the Championship game and he came off

815
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 4: the bench. How many people come up to the Business Championship

816
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: Game to get twenty? We was loaded, man, But that

817
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 4: was that was a good group of guys. We're still

818
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 4: on the group chat right now, all of us. It's like,

819
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: so it's been thirty years and we still rock solid.

820
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 4: So that was that was a special time for sure.

821
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: That's dope.

822
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: Tell us about like, you know, you had your first

823
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: ACL tour and then you know everybody, it's gonna be

824
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: all You're gonna get back to where you need to be.

825
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: But then you turn your a c L again other

826
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: than your yeah, your senior year. How was that going

827
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: through that, like, because you know what you gotta go

828
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: through all over again.

829
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 3: I'm rubbing my knees right now to get to that.

830
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 4: It was probably the second toughest time in my life

831
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 4: is when my mother left me and then that because

832
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 4: I had him waleability. You know, I had transferred him

833
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: back then. You know, they didn't give you an extra year,

834
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 4: so I had already sat down one year, and this

835
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: is gonna be my senior year, and I'm managing like

836
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: twenty points almost, you know. So I'm just like, I'm

837
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: having a very year. And then I turned my other

838
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 4: acl it one like I told the same one I

839
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: told the other. So I'm just like, oh God, what

840
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 4: I got to do. So first thing I thought about,

841
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 4: I said, man, you've then have been a worse situation.

842
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: You better stop you bet and not complaining. You better

843
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 4: get back on your grind. So the next day I

844
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: went to the training facility and I watched that video

845
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 4: Jordan was working out in the swimming pool, and I

846
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 4: asked my train I said, making my knee. If my

847
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 4: knee doesn't swell up as bad, well I healed quicker.

848
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, and you can do a cadaver

849
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 4: which I didn't know what there was, but that was

850
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: a replacement of your acl lagament. So he's like, well,

851
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: this is what you can do. And I'm like, I

852
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 4: want to get the pool so my knees don't swell.

853
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: So I was working out, stretching, walking in the pool.

854
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 4: And I had surgery probably like three or four days

855
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 4: after because they didn't like maybe a week after because

856
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: they say you got to make sure the swelling is

857
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 4: not there. So it didn't swell. I have my free surgery.

858
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: I have my surgery, got back and stayed in the

859
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 4: pool and stayed icing, and then I was just doing

860
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: like workout drills in front of you with my teammates,

861
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 4: and Coach p was like, man, he's supposed to be

862
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: doing all this right now. They said he got a cadaver.

863
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: His knees not swollen. He's fine. So what happened was

864
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: when I did all that, I came back and like

865
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 4: I think it was like the last like the middle

866
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: of Mars, and I did a windmill dunk in practice.

867
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 4: Coach didn't looked at me and was like, man, the

868
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: hell's going on here? And the training dude was like,

869
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: we checked this knee. His no swelling. His muscles were

870
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: there because they measured your your length of your muscles

871
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 4: before you go in and after surgery, so my muscle

872
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: was almost the same size before I went in for surgery,

873
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 4: and he was like, nah, he can do it. So

874
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 4: it was a miraculous man. How my recovery. But I

875
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: stayed in the swimming pool to this day, like I'm

876
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: not getting out of swimm pool. That's why I don't

877
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 4: have no joint pains, no ACL injuries. I don't limb.

878
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 4: My back's not hurting no more. So It's like it

879
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: was just that pool man for me and stretching. I

880
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 4: do pool and stretching, But at that time, it was

881
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 4: basically how do I get back early? Because that was

882
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 4: the second hardest time besides my mother leaving me. That

883
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 4: was like, damn, what am I gonna do with my life?

884
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 4: Like I really I was thinking, I'm really gonna have

885
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 4: to go back to work now. First I was thinking

886
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: it's all I had. Now I was like, damn, I

887
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: ain't got no other option, you know, like a draft

888
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 4: me after a So I was like, I gotta do

889
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: the best I can. My degree. I was just I

890
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: was all over the place. But I got a chance

891
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: to get back and play, uh from a team. I

892
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: was good. I mean, I I felt a lot better.

893
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: It was. It was definitely rough dark time.

894
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: Then y'all go back to the championship and lose to Arizona.

895
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: Why are you saying like that.

896
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: I ain't saying it like that. I'm just saying like, yeah, yeah,

897
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: I was.

898
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the man's back there like yeah, y'all

899
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: back to back, you know what I'm saying, going back

900
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: to back Arizona.

901
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 4: He's like, and y'all lost us like that.

902
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, you know, I was rooting for y'all.

903
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the squad man like y'all.

904
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: The reason I even took a visit to Kentucky watching

905
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: like watching.

906
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: Y'all and watching the guy that came, But Kentucky.

907
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: Was a must.

908
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: What's going on?

909
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: He was when I went on my visit Oka, big fella.

910
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: My whole was evan. Yeah, he was cool and said

911
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: Tubby was that when I went, tell me was that?

912
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta go down there and see what Kentucky

913
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: be about because after y'all came, watching y'all play man,

914
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: y'all was always one of my favorite teams. And seeing

915
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: the guys come after y'all, you know, you gotta get

916
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: that Kentucky and y'all see what they talking about.

917
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: It might be something lucratist table under the table.

918
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, boy, I wish we had an end. Boy, there

919
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: was loaded with we had you forget like, oh, it

920
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: was so crazy. There were so many people like Rick Chapman,

921
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 4: Jamal mash for all the dudes wuld come back and

922
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 4: play summer ball with us. So we saw them pull

923
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: up some rise Damn these U loaded and they come

924
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: back to campus. So we want to do the same. Yeah,

925
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 4: we rolled up deep like that. But to your point, yeah,

926
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: we lost the Arizona and the chair extra game, but

927
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 4: we went the three championship games in the world too,

928
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: So that was crazy.

929
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: That was like after the championship lose, Like, how did

930
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: your draft process go? Was you able to go on

931
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: a lot of workouts and do stuff like that with

932
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: your neil? Was you kind of told to take it

933
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: easier a little bit?

934
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 4: I was full board because I got there. I don't know,

935
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: I remember, but I was the NC do way. I

936
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 4: got to shoot two free throws in the final four

937
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: against Minnesota, so.

938
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: I was I was.

939
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was practicing. So I had practiced the week

940
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 4: before the championship Final four, so coach let me practice.

941
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: I was was playing well, killing them, Like everybody tells

942
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 4: the story, like he was the best player practice him around,

943
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 4: was killing everybody. It's like we was going back at

944
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: it and I was playing, so I thought I was

945
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 4: gonna actually play. So one day and out of we

946
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: was I forgot. We was in Annapolis and the coach

947
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 4: had a bunch of scouts came in practice and he

948
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 4: told me go full board. So I was practicing and

949
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 4: he said that that was it. He shut me down

950
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: after about forty five minutes and he's like, well, you're good,

951
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: let's go stretch. And all of scouts saw me. So

952
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: when I went to the after the draft, when the

953
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: season was over all I got like probably ten calls

954
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 4: coming to work out, like Seattle's clear. Everybody's called. I'm thinking,

955
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: like why now these people? He said, most of them

956
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 4: saw me when coach let me practice, So people had

957
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 4: got to see that I was actually healthy. But everybody

958
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 4: wasn't like scared anymore. So he got to see. They

959
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 4: got to see how I was healthy, even though I

960
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 4: didn't play in the game. They got to see that

961
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: I was good and that process they told me do

962
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 4: everything I did. I was playing one on one with

963
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 4: all Anthony Parker like we was going. I was wanting

964
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: dudes like we play that dude cal who too? Man?

965
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 4: So I was just like I was like, it wasn't

966
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: like it's an easy task, but I was playing and

967
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 4: it made me guard one to two, Like I guart

968
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: Breven Knight one day and the next day I guarded

969
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: Bob Sirr. I'm was like the position y'all want me

970
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: to play. But then, you know, an NBA back then,

971
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: it was like we mix a match. We trying to

972
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: figure out who fits best. They wasn't going out you

973
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 4: just to point guard you, just like it was like

974
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 4: which one fits best for us? So I was like, okay,

975
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: and uh once they saw it was healthy. Man. The

976
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 4: process of either they treated me like I was a

977
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: Norman dude knowing a good thing about it. In Chicago

978
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: the combine, I didn't have to play anymore, and he's

979
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 4: like all the coach all said, don't even worry about you.

980
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: Ain't got to play all. So that was the best

981
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: thing about that I didn't have to play.

982
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 3: Did you go to the actual draft?

983
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I was there. Where was your draft? That

984
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: was in New York?

985
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: Sett You see, we still feel the era where the

986
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: draft was moving from city to city. Draft was in Minnesota,

987
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: Like everybody just getting New York now, which is awesome

988
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 3: and amazing. But so you so how was that for

989
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: you going to like actually going to the draft, Like

990
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: who you know you took your son? Who did you

991
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: take with you? And how was that taking that all in?

992
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 4: Well? I took some people, you know to help me

993
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: out when I was a youngster, like you know, the

994
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: Mark Master, my uncle George, some of my homeboys I

995
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: grew up. My best friend Terrence Stewart, he was right

996
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 4: there with me, so you know, I had the people

997
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: that there some day one So that's how we got

998
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: up there and I got called him and they said

999
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 4: he do he want you to come? And I'm like,

1000
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 4: we're picked, and he's like, we don't know, you might

1001
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: go because Prick Patino went to Boston. So Rick was like, man,

1002
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: I really want to get you to read. R Box

1003
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: is the one making the decision, so I don't know,

1004
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: but I was like, he got two picks, He got

1005
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 4: a four and seven. He took Chauncey and Ron. But

1006
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 4: I still knew I had a chance for sacrament. And

1007
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: they took what's that dude's name, OLIVIEO, Saint Jeane, I

1008
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: think Saint John's. It changed his name. I forgot, but

1009
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 4: he took him and nine, so I'll get nervous. I'm like, man,

1010
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: am I gonna sit in this room all day? Because

1011
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: I ain't had the two other teams that worked out for

1012
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: and it was Seattle right in Cleveland, and then Cleveland

1013
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: said we're gonna take you at the thirteenth pick. So

1014
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: I was like, but I was nervous because I was like, man,

1015
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 4: you pretty draft me at the two a CS. I

1016
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 4: was just thinking like.

1017
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: Man, yeah, I don't know. You got drafted with the Dronas.

1018
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 4: Actually the dronist was sat out that year, but we

1019
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: was rookies. He had tore broke his foot the year before,

1020
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: so he never got to play. So he said he's

1021
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: a rookie the year I got there, but I got drafted.

1022
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 3: Oh okay, brug of the Night and Cedric Henderson, how

1023
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: was it for you when you finally hear your name

1024
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: called and you get to go up there and give

1025
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: DAP up David Stern, like we all and saw that moment, Like,

1026
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: how was that for you? Especially with everything you didn't

1027
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: went through. You didn't went through some stuff that like

1028
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: not most of us go through when we get to

1029
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: that point, Like for you, how was that, yeah, but

1030
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: it was crazy.

1031
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: Is I never went to church growing up because I

1032
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 4: had no family, so you know, I know, God, jeez,

1033
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 4: I didn't know none of this. I was no faith

1034
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: religion dude at all. And man, I got to that thing,

1035
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: I said, Man, I don't know about my faith, man,

1036
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: but I better thank the guys above. But I made

1037
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: it this far. So I was just like, thank you God.

1038
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: I was I didn't know what I was doing. I'm

1039
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: just over here like, man, thank you God for this

1040
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 4: because this is a crazy journey. I just for the

1041
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: last ten years to get here, Like, man, this is crazy.

1042
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: It's a pinnacle, this is it. And I'm thinking like

1043
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 4: I never expected this because you know, like people say,

1044
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 4: I dreamed of the NBA, and I ain't never dreaming

1045
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: of NBA. I never once start out making it to

1046
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: the NBA. I just said, I'm gonna put my head

1047
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: down and I'm gonna work hard. Imna outwork everybody in

1048
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 4: my way, whoever's in my life, is gonna get this work.

1049
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 4: I didn't have no bad attitude. I said, I'm gonna

1050
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 4: be a good dude. I'm gonna work hard and do

1051
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: what I'm supposed to do.

1052
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: That was it.

1053
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: That was the formu I had so me dreaming about

1054
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 4: the NBA. Nah, it just happened because of my worker,

1055
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: I think, my attitude. So that was a relief man.

1056
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: Once I got done with that, and I still never drink.

1057
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: Everybody's like, man, let's drink, man with my water. Add

1058
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: give me some cranberry juice and I'm good.

1059
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: They still.

1060
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: Like he's dude. They started throwing cranberry juice and orange.

1061
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 4: You sent me on the buses when I get on buses,

1062
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 4: but let's do that drinking nothing. I'm like, nah, I'd

1063
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 4: have made it this far. Ain't no damn way.

1064
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: When you first got that first big check, you started

1065
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: your own company. What was the company called da Enterprise?

1066
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 4: Actually, I started my foundation. I ain't even I put

1067
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: I put twenty five thousand in the foundation. If I

1068
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 4: started my company, like before I bought jewelry chain anything,

1069
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 4: I said, let me start a foundation. But I was

1070
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 4: trying to help the next Derek Anderson getif find that

1071
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: situation because I already knew it was coming. I knew

1072
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 4: it was coming because dudes that I see behind me,

1073
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: like Ray John Rondo, all them dudes, I said, they

1074
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 4: gonna need a way out. You know, I let me

1075
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: start this foundation, getting some clothes and from shoes. They

1076
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 4: need to go somewhere to gym, let me work out

1077
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: with I'm like, let me help these guys. So my

1078
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 4: first check, I just put twenty five k in the

1079
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 4: foundation and that's what I started. Then I started getting

1080
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 4: enterprises just open up, like my shoe company.

1081
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: You're talking about Stamina, Yeah, that's where you started Stamina.

1082
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 4: No, actually it was still Derek Anderson. It was Loyalty

1083
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 4: at that time, the loyal to Leagues. Okay, so Derek

1084
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 4: Anderson Foundation and the Lord tw Leagues that I did

1085
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: was right after that. But I just was like, no,

1086
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 4: I gotta get these kids upon it because I already

1087
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: knew it. The other dudes like me who could have

1088
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 4: made it, they just circumstance. Man, you put in a

1089
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 4: bad situation, bro, what you expect.

1090
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: From How was it when Kemp joined the team?

1091
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Sean Camp? Yeah that dude. What's funny is

1092
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 4: I got the before and after camp.

1093
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1094
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I'm saying with that. Kemp. You seen

1095
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: rain Man in Seattle and then land Man after that

1096
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: is another camp. But in first year he made the

1097
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: dog Star too, so he was killing.

1098
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 4: That was smart. He was a beast. He could. Yeah,

1099
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: he had it all, bro, Like he was a smart

1100
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 4: He passed the ball like that. Dude was a good player.

1101
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 4: Man just had lockout the next year and we had

1102
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: that lockout, so he came back. Man, he was like

1103
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 4: forty pounds all the way. Bro. He literally walked in

1104
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 4: the gym and nobody recognized it. We thought it was

1105
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: somebody different. Me and me and Brevin walked white past

1106
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 4: the dude. We was like, it's a shot. And man,

1107
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 4: when I tell you that dude was huge and he

1108
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 4: said he's on that potato or whatever died he was on.

1109
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 4: He was like, dude, and our whole season changed after

1110
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 4: that because he couldn't. He couldn't played back to back

1111
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 4: and back then they made us play three games in

1112
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: a row to try to make up some games. Man,

1113
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: dude would be one out of three, like he couldn't go.

1114
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 4: He was still shying, but he wasn't now he wasn't

1115
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 4: still shying.

1116
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

1117
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 4: He was always a good dude and a great leader. Man.

1118
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 4: But that dude after that, Man, his whole game change

1119
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 4: because he wasn't a great jump shooter. But he was

1120
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 4: a good jump shooter, you know what I mean. So

1121
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 4: he was kind of like a good pick and roll guy.

1122
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: He couldn't jump like he used to with his first year.

1123
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: That dude, him and alone that morning locked up one

1124
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: time and hit each other and both gave each other

1125
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 4: cuse y'all can look that up. They both hit each other.

1126
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, that dude was. Dude as strong as

1127
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: a mother back then. Sean was tough. Sean was a

1128
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: good player, good team player too. I appreciate playing.

1129
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: How was it when you went from Cleveland to the

1130
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: La Clippers?

1131
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 4: Man, it was actually better even though the team wasn't winning.

1132
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 4: It was so much freedom out, you know, Like, I

1133
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: wouldn't say it was better, it was just more. I

1134
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: got that. It wasn't a lot of stress, like like

1135
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: in Cleveland they expect you to win. It was like

1136
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 4: every day you had to come in. Michael Teller was

1137
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: our coach. Child was used to win it like we had.

1138
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 4: The guys were trying to win. When you were to

1139
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 4: the Clippers, they were like, we ain't gonna be here

1140
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: here because the owner ain't gonna pay you. So I'm like,

1141
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 4: what's like, Yeah.

1142
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 3: You walked in the door of that news.

1143
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we just we just we just missed you.

1144
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: We just missed to that news. So you're coming, You're like,

1145
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: I can't even put my bags down, y'all. Tell me

1146
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: you don't get comfortable. You know, they don't happen here.

1147
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: That's the word.

1148
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 4: That was the word. I mean, I swear to you

1149
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 4: dudes like man like I ain't gonna say no name,

1150
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 4: but dudes like you got one year left and like yeah,

1151
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 4: he said, don't don't buy no house. He said, get

1152
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 4: you a rental place and just you know after this

1153
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 4: season pictures where you want to get old.

1154
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: That's same thing.

1155
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: Rookies. Yeah, we got toween. First of all, they whole

1156
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: draft class, they had three picks and not one of

1157
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 3: us worked out for him. Everybody's agent was was steering

1158
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: them away from him and everything. They just like, look,

1159
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 3: we taking who we want anyway, y'all gonna have to

1160
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: come like the first thing were being told when we

1161
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: get there, like yeah, dang, our agent was mad off

1162
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: the top, like they not know extending like now we're

1163
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: gonna have to do some work, like.

1164
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: Y'all prepared for y'all new team. Y'all that's what he

1165
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: told me. He said, man, you're all ditioning for the

1166
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: rest of the league. That's what he told me. He said,

1167
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 4: what you're about to do this season, He said, you're

1168
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 4: auditioning for the rest of the league. He said, whoever

1169
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: you want to go to play hard against them? I said,

1170
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: always play off. He said, when you see how we

1171
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: play here, you know we practicing cars instead a community center.

1172
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: See. Look, look we were at South Junior College JUCO,

1173
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: and I'm talking about I know you y'all have showers.

1174
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: Did y'all have showers? Okay? We had to put towels

1175
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: on the seat, drive home however far, and then go

1176
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: watch your ass there. You ain't getting no shower up

1177
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: in here, ain't nowhere to shower you like us? Then

1178
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: you feel only different.

1179
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: Though I practiced where.

1180
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: The community community. I bet you this never happened. We practicing.

1181
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 4: I swear kareem my blue jabbar playing Michael Olu candy

1182
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 4: one on one, so we're hooping. We're watching them hoop

1183
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 4: at the end of practice. So I'll swear to you.

1184
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 4: Some some Latinos, some Mexicans, dude short. They came saying, hey,

1185
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: gym is ours it's our time. Swear to God. He said,

1186
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 4: y'all gotta go. He said, y'all gotta go. He puts

1187
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 4: the NBA team out of Carson Communities in the gym.

1188
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: Swear goy, that's just right after we ain't have We used.

1189
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: To get put out of that because they used to

1190
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: have functions and stuff.

1191
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: That's what I'm about to say, like we ain't we

1192
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: ain't have that, but like we had our time scheduled

1193
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: too because we was using their court. And then it

1194
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: would big time. We would show up in and we

1195
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: couldn't even get in because it wasn't open for some reasons.

1196
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 3: Whoever was supposed to open up. They they ain't got

1197
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: that yet, Like ain't no, ain't no hot dudes got

1198
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: twenty four hour access to the gym, got in the

1199
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: middle of the night. You can't. Well please, we in

1200
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: south Central you know what I mean. We pull out

1201
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: with the car like yo yo, y'all they checking out

1202
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: the car like yep.

1203
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: The kids going to school while we played like we

1204
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: on the school, we on their school campus.

1205
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: Da. So it's like they get out in between classes,

1206
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: were coming to going. It's chaos.

1207
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: And you know I had them six twelve. So the

1208
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: teacher was like, you can't through the classroom with the.

1209
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: Music that the whole camp like like.

1210
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: So it was just crazy man like, but we just

1211
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: missed you by a year, I thought, my.

1212
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 4: Man, motiv Yo Moti mo Taylor.

1213
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: We heard about stories though, we heard about the reverse

1214
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: jersey going.

1215
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: We weren't getting off the bus. Me and me and

1216
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 4: moos sound the back of the bus man hoping we

1217
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: got traded. And man, they trade us memos like, Man,

1218
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna get fired like that, because wasn't getting

1219
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 4: off when I tell you, wasn't. No, he ain't, No,

1220
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 4: he ain't never play with it. Dude, was like, man,

1221
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 4: don't play with me. Beat somebody. But yeah, they was

1222
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 4: fire man. They would, they would.

1223
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: They showed us this Keith cost tape.

1224
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 4: He did that and came to practice. Bro after he

1225
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 4: had came to practice the next day and the man

1226
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 4: had he was, he was banged up. He came in

1227
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 4: with a good attitude. He was funny school dude. But

1228
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 4: when I tell you.

1229
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: Always that was one thing he was. My man.

1230
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: He's a great dude. Man, keep cool, man real.

1231
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: He said, I ain't worrying about that. I'm like he's

1232
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 4: a real street, real street, real real.

1233
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1234
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 4: We was. We had a I mean, we had a

1235
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: hell of squad though. T Nails was on our team.

1236
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: Turn Carverdale final Ill in the buildings was there when

1237
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: we was there, like the beginning beginning.

1238
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: They let him go.

1239
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, lamarrowd On was a rookie all year. Yeah,

1240
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 4: we had a good team. Man, if you looked at.

1241
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: Her after your career, had that year sixteen point nine, I.

1242
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: Thought it was a San Antonio Yeah, but yeah, I

1243
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 4: was getting buckets because they were all just like, hey,

1244
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 4: we're gonna let you a mostionhoo get y'allut every then

1245
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 4: let Lamar and tenis they trying to get dudes out

1246
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 4: of there like they was running play for me and

1247
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 4: more the whole game. I'm just like, are they gonna

1248
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 4: pay us? Like, what's going on? Man? They fired the coach.

1249
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: Then we got Kareem I bul Jabari come coach. We

1250
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 4: had then Johnson Like, bro, I tell you right there,

1251
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 4: like we had a d man. But when I tell

1252
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 4: you that, Honor was so terrible. Bro, like that dude

1253
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 4: he can't pass us. We was at an event. He

1254
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 4: can't past us. And here like it's to us and

1255
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 4: walk past us like like we were just like a

1256
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 4: parade or something. I'm like, he ain't gonna shake nobody's

1257
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: hand or nothing, dude, just like this and walked out.

1258
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: We were like, he's like, that's the owner. I said, wow.

1259
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 4: So that was the only time.

1260
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: I met that man used to avoid him, like we

1261
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: just show up.

1262
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: Like we got there. I guess when they first were

1263
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: starting the party, the white parties and all that stuff.

1264
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 3: You heard about it. No, man, listen, get avoiding him

1265
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: to rich this guy scarce scarcity. How long we need

1266
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 3: to be here? What's the bare minimum' I'm gonna be

1267
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look we get there, I'm gonna make a

1268
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: whole round to everybody who I think need to see me. Boy,

1269
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes later, we gone, I'm not for nothing.

1270
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: Look give him that now, like and we out here,

1271
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: up out of here immediately.

1272
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: This is not our crowd.

1273
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: You're one of the first batches of guys.

1274
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: When did you hear that Jordy wants you to be

1275
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: a part of a Jordan brand and be a part

1276
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: of the team.

1277
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 4: That was crazy. It was right after my ACL, Like

1278
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 4: when I got there my ACL, I went through training.

1279
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 4: I went through the team and like June, I got

1280
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: invited to Nike, and I'm thinking, like who was I like,

1281
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 4: get called my uncle because I didn't have an agent.

1282
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 4: I had a marketing farm, so they called my house.

1283
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, man, you know, Nike wants to

1284
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: bring you in. So I'm thinking like, okay, I'm just

1285
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 4: going to see Nike. So I fly to Nike. Had

1286
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 4: no idea. It was a Jordan brand. It was his Nike.

1287
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 4: They said, Nike want to meet you and say cool. So

1288
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: I flew in, went to campus, got in the campus

1289
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 4: and Phil Knight walks out of a boardroom and he

1290
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 4: needs to He introduced himself and like, okay, I'm thinking like, oh,

1291
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: I had no idea. He means who he was? I

1292
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 4: was just being nice and then I walk in. It

1293
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: is Jordan and somebody else was sitting in there, and

1294
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 4: I forgot who it was, but they walked out and

1295
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: so it was just me and him and that. He's like, man,

1296
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: how'd you mean. I'm like, it's all He's better. I'm good.

1297
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 4: I'm been working out playing, so I'm good. He said, Man,

1298
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 4: I just started this company. Man, I want you to

1299
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 4: be one of the first guys to represent my brand,

1300
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, cool. He's like, yes, it's called

1301
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 4: jump Man. I was like jump Man. I said you sure.

1302
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 4: I said, you want to just do a both ACF

1303
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 4: and he was like, well, you're crazy. He said, man,

1304
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 4: I'm cool. I had people watching you. They said you

1305
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 4: worked out, they said you was on time, they said

1306
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 4: you had a good attitude, and I want somebody like

1307
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 4: that to represent my brand. So I was like, damn.

1308
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 4: So he told me he wanted me to represent based

1309
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 4: on my character more my game. So to hear that

1310
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 4: from him out in his mouth, it was like, damn,

1311
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 4: that was crazy because you know, I'm watching him all

1312
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 4: my life, so for him to know who I was,

1313
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 4: and I was the only guy to college, the other

1314
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 4: four guys was already lead, so you know it's a

1315
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 4: college guy to turn the ACL. I'm like, wow, this

1316
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 4: is a crazy blessing that you didn't expect because I

1317
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 4: had played since January and this is June. And he

1318
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 4: was like, man, I want you to be the first guy,

1319
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 4: one of the first guy to represent my brand. And

1320
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 4: he said he just did to deal with with Phil,

1321
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 4: so I'm basically walking into him agreeing with a deal. Dude,

1322
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 4: I'm just like, this is about to jump off. I

1323
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 4: think it was like May because it was right the dirty.

1324
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 4: So I was like May and I was like, man,

1325
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 4: this is crazy. Had no idea. I have no agent.

1326
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 4: So I was like, so what do I do? And

1327
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 4: he was like, man, we'll send you over to work,

1328
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 4: and you know, just want to make sure you be

1329
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 4: ready and get your knee together. So we sat there

1330
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 4: and talked, laugh, joke a little bit, and then he

1331
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 4: started to biting me everywhere, and I'm just like, man,

1332
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 4: wherever he's at, I'm going we.

1333
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: Went to meet or but you agree? Was this one

1334
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: of your favorite shoes? I can see this one right here?

1335
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, yes this is I can remember DN always

1336
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: the white ones. Yes, yes, I would put them off.

1337
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: It's just happened to be a candle. Don't worry about

1338
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 3: you know. We jordaned out over here.

1339
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: There's a little candley, you see the little keep the

1340
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: Jordan candles?

1341
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 4: Man like that. I never played in them though they

1342
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 4: were too thin for me. He told me, told me

1343
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 4: that his feet bleeding in those.

1344
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said when he put them on. He got

1345
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: that fifty five in the garden to put them back on.

1346
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: He said if he was bleeding.

1347
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 3: Like a mother.

1348
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 4: He said, that was hurt. Yeah, those are my favorites.

1349
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 3: Tell me, is da after you agree to it and everything,

1350
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: What was it like when you got that first ship? Men?

1351
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 3: This is what these guys nowadays can never understand about

1352
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: the early days. When I say, if Jordan made it,

1353
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: we got it. We got at least one up. We

1354
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: don't matter if I'm talking about Elite, whatever they made.

1355
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: And when I say, y'all don't understand how much stuff

1356
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: it was, because like they weren't. They didn't have everything

1357
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: y'all focused and concentrate. They were just doing shit. It

1358
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: was all kinds of stuff coming they had. It was like, bro,

1359
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: you was getting so much gift. Just talk about them

1360
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: first packages and like you looking like I can't even

1361
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 3: really believe all of this? What's going on? Like how

1362
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: was that for you?

1363
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: Really? Story in the world. I was open. I was

1364
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 4: coming to get a box. I knew he was coming.

1365
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 4: It was a Friday, so we had my songs there.

1366
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 4: He was like, Dad, whole bunch of stuff's in front.

1367
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 4: So we opened a door and when I tell you,

1368
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 4: I couldn't walk out my door I had a front

1369
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 4: porch and stuff was. They had dropped them off, put

1370
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 4: them to a place where you side door. You could

1371
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 4: walk through an era to get it. So whoever you

1372
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 4: beer Doude new, I'm gonna give you enough room to

1373
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 4: walk out to get it. Bro. I had it from

1374
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 4: from probably It was at least ten ft long a box.

1375
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 4: That was my first box.

1376
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: It's so tall. Make all of them fall, boy, it was.

1377
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: TV by your whole wardrobe.

1378
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: You have your tank top, your brawls, your socks, your

1379
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: whole fit. They just you didn't even have to go

1380
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: and buy clothes no more because you was Jordan Brand

1381
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: every day.

1382
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 4: I had so much stuff it was crazy. And that's

1383
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: when I told you that foundation. I started using that

1384
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 4: to the foundation. So I'm like, I'm the whole hood

1385
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 4: looks like Jordan brandmnton members. Everybody's that I got this

1386
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 4: George shirt on you know back getting them shirts is

1387
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 4: like six of dollars. So these days it was like

1388
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 4: you give it.

1389
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: That's the thing about it. When you get the packages,

1390
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 3: it's still got the price tags on it, so it's

1391
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: just like a little reminder. Feel like, boy, you're getting

1392
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: all this.

1393
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: Ninety nine dollars shirt.

1394
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 3: Look at this not like don't they you know, we

1395
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 3: couldn't remember it because like we know you the low

1396
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: cut O. G right, you the original low cut? When

1397
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: and how did this start? Correct me? Right, you started this?

1398
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: But who started this for you? A baby?

1399
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 4: Well I was there before him and he came after me. Right,

1400
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 4: So what I did was told him when we did

1401
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 4: our our team shoe we had a meeting. At the

1402
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 4: meeting and Tigger and all of us, Ray was there,

1403
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 4: everybody was there, and I was like, well, I kind

1404
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 4: of like playing in low cuts in three quarters And

1405
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: he said, well, we don't have a lot, but our

1406
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 4: team shoes are three quarters. I said, were there any

1407
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 4: other low cuts that we have? And he was like,

1408
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 4: we don't. We don't have any of the more guys playing.

1409
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 4: So we will send you something to just hoop in,

1410
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 4: I mean just just to walk in. And they was

1411
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 4: some they weren't I don't think it was the trunners.

1412
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: It was something else they sent there was low cut.

1413
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 4: So I was like, well, what do I how can

1414
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 4: I get some of these cut? I just want to

1415
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 4: make a miss. And Jordan that already made a prayer

1416
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 4: of two back in the day there was low cut.

1417
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 4: People don't know that. Back in the two days he

1418
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 4: had some twos. It was low cut, but they want

1419
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 4: it too. I think there was twos and they were

1420
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 4: low cut. So I grabbed some of those and I

1421
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 4: just started hooping before they would even They weren't even mine,

1422
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 4: they were just his, and I just grabbed them. I

1423
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 4: think we was at the gym or something. I grabbed them.

1424
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 4: I just started hooping at them. And it was during

1425
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 4: the game, so it wasn't like the team had made

1426
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 4: him yet. I was just playing in them. So that's

1427
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 4: why I was like, well, yeah, I want the low cuts.

1428
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 4: But I was the first guy the George and was

1429
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 4: playing in low cuts. I don't know what game it was,

1430
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 4: but I was in Cleveland my room the lockout year

1431
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 4: and I started playing, and so I don't know the

1432
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 4: exact time, you know, if they cut all of them

1433
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 4: with Baby, because I didn't play Baby when he had

1434
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: the lockout year because I had a lockout year. So

1435
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 4: in ninety eight I had I was playing a low cut,

1436
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 4: but then he started making all mine the next year,

1437
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 4: so I played it all.

1438
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 3: So the whole sneaker community, everybody out there that consume

1439
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: the air Jordan's. We can't speak on everything else but

1440
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: the low cut air Jordan's, John and God, all of

1441
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: the different numbers that got the low cuts.

1442
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: Curtsey or who young da.

1443
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, curse your boy man. Absolutely

1444
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: appreciation to you coldest especially that's Moreland. That's my whole repertoire.

1445
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: I no longer wear dress shoes. I wear all low

1446
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 3: ones and whatever whatever color they need to be in.

1447
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 3: But the low cut ones is my go to. And

1448
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 3: you know I see them.

1449
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 4: I see you too.

1450
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: You be you be rocking like it's not comfortable.

1451
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 4: I need to cushion. Yeah, that was a good time though. Yeah.

1452
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 4: I remember people saying, man, baby this and now I'm like,

1453
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 4: it don't even matter. Bibby has some fire heat, but I.

1454
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: Even had some heat that that black and purple used

1455
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: to hit. I tell people all the time, like and see.

1456
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 3: You you you a tough study for like people not

1457
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: gonna say like you was the coldest with the peas

1458
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: because you played with the teams with the colors. It

1459
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 3: was already the bulls the colors that was coming. So

1460
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: it was like you already in line. Like you might

1461
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: get a little different but they still look almost like

1462
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 3: what they was. So ain't nobody really going crazy because

1463
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: they're so similar? Body like Rayder Killer, he didn't like

1464
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: to me he number.

1465
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: One because in Seattle and Celtics.

1466
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 3: Jon he number one. What two reasons though, because he

1467
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 3: had the cold colors from Milwaukee to Seattle to Miami

1468
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 3: to Celtics. But also he was in that sweet spot

1469
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: where they were able to plan out and do and

1470
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 3: they started to do more for us with the p's

1471
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: and then they knew the team she was on was

1472
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: gonna have them playoff runs. Like think about it. That

1473
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 3: one year I was with Phoenix, I got stupid dumb

1474
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 3: heat because they saw and they were able to plan

1475
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: ahead they going to the playoffs, so we could send

1476
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 3: them these later we could do. But like when you

1477
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 3: don't go to the playoffs, you ain't getting none of that,

1478
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. When I was in New York,

1479
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 3: I got crazy heat in New York, but it wasn't

1480
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: able to be as extensive as a raid, you know

1481
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, because we weren't going further. We weren't

1482
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 3: even going to the playoffs. So like that's why Ray

1483
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 3: Ray come back got Ring Game Additions Championship, Like that's

1484
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: what he over the top, he out of here.

1485
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 4: I agree with Yeah, I liked his colors. I liked

1486
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: your colors like crazy. I was just like, you just

1487
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 4: had high tops and I'm like, I don't know how

1488
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 4: you jumped so hide these.

1489
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: I was like, but yeah, you good teams for the

1490
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 3: colors that like the Clippers that red, white and blue.

1491
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: I got crazy joints for them. The Knicks that orange,

1492
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: blue and white, like that was like something that Jordan

1493
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: never had. So like that was like they my knicks

1494
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 3: pees go nuts. I got some eights, some tools, some

1495
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 3: five buddies, and I like crazy.

1496
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: He was sending me in Cleveland was real nice too, man.

1497
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 3: He said, that's where he in twelves in Cleveland, Orange, Cleveland.

1498
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: You the only thing I had. There was a benefit

1499
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 4: when I played in Portland is I could go to campus.

1500
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 4: So y'all remember them nine then thirteen. I was making

1501
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 4: all my shoes out of there. So I was like,

1502
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 4: like the low cut nines, Like how many people had

1503
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 4: those before me? Up?

1504
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: Getting those crazy low cut nine crazy?

1505
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 4: So I just stopt putting loyal once.

1506
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 3: So it was great you signed with the Spurs. Man,

1507
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 3: you over there with you know what I'm saying with

1508
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: David tim like you over there with that type of

1509
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: greatness after coming from the Clippers, Like, how was that?

1510
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 3: What type of a vibe change in a breath of

1511
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 3: fresh all was that? Going from out there with the

1512
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 3: Clips show and then coming to the Spurs And we

1513
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 3: know what type of professional organization they are.

1514
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you this though. I went from the

1515
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 4: Clippers my last year in my contract. I signed a

1516
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 4: one year deal expecting the session with San Antonio, and

1517
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 4: then I went to Portland. So I just want you

1518
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 4: to keep that in your mind, right, trust me? Okay?

1519
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 3: I got so?

1520
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 4: I got So I went through from the Clippers. The

1521
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 4: organization wasn't doing much. They wasn't talking about a lot.

1522
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 4: The Jason training was great, like we had good people

1523
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 4: around us. Wasn't bad.

1524
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 3: Jason Jay.

1525
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 4: Then I went to San Antonio. So, you know, I'm

1526
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 4: used to practice just being a normal practice. So I

1527
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 4: come into practice. You know, my shoes untied, I got

1528
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 4: the low cut Georgian. So I'm just chilling walking in

1529
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 4: and Pop said, you ain't practicing to day. I'm like,

1530
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 4: oh yeah, he said, Now we hear a practice. I like,

1531
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 4: you know, one minute, I'm thinking like we got fifteen

1532
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 4: minutes for a start. He said no, we started like

1533
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes and would stretch it. I practice starts to ten.

1534
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is total difference. Clip is I walk

1535
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 4: in nine fifty nine?

1536
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 3: You can be on to do anything.

1537
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 4: So we don't probably want fifteen. But we didn't even

1538
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 4: get a practice here. So I was like, okay, time

1539
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 4: chain back to Rick Betino Stamp used to it. So

1540
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 4: we practiced. Get what we're doing. And Popovich was a

1541
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 4: great coach, and he was like, man, where you like

1542
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 4: the ball at? And I was like, man, I'm one

1543
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 4: on one player. I can figure it out. I just

1544
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 4: I'm a team player. I figured out. He said, let

1545
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 4: me show you something. He walked me to a box

1546
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 4: and left side. He said, Tim Dunck is gonna be

1547
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame on his box. Better figure out

1548
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 4: where you like his ball at.

1549
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: That's a bar.

1550
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 4: I said, that's the most gags. Okay, I got you.

1551
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 4: I said I'm gonna walk too, and put me on

1552
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 4: that left side.

1553
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: Y'allo.

1554
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 4: Notice when I dunk, I'm on the left side leading.

1555
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 4: That was because Tim was over there. So I'm like,

1556
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 4: if I get on Tim's side, I can play a

1557
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 4: two man game. And then I get over there and

1558
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 4: tell fact like he's going to set the screen, I'm

1559
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 4: hitting you with the baseline. I'm just I'm winning me

1560
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 4: if I's just coming off. But he taught me a

1561
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 4: valuable less. He said, man, you got to uilize the

1562
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 4: who you got around your team. And I'm like, damn,

1563
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 4: he's right. You said Tim's gonna be Hall of Famer

1564
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 4: right here though, body, so you need to figure out

1565
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 4: where you want this ball at. So I was having

1566
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 4: a great season, great I think Juwanna Howard took me

1567
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 4: out to Aaron hardfive no arm intended. And right after

1568
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 4: that season, man, they told me that they was gonna

1569
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 4: give me a four year deal. But I took a

1570
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 4: one year deal because I could have went to Miami,

1571
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 4: I could have went other places for a six year

1572
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 4: deal because I wanted to just get ten years in.

1573
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 4: Whatever happens after that happens. It's been my fourth year.

1574
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, and they say four years. Then they didn't.

1575
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 4: Thing was playing around and you know, on to the

1576
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 4: gym and popping. Tim called me after I said I'm

1577
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: not coming. They both call my phone and I was like, man,

1578
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 4: you can be a Hall of Famer. You can do this.

1579
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 4: You the second lead to score on the team. Your

1580
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 4: career could be different. You just hear it. But I'm like,

1581
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about my son and my future. I'm like, man,

1582
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna take no chance with this. And I

1583
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 4: called MJ. I called Darryl Griffin, who was like a

1584
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 4: mentor of mine back in Little. I said, hey, man,

1585
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 4: what would you do if you're my situation? Would you

1586
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 4: actually stay here for less money, try to make it

1587
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 4: up on the back end, or would you, you know,

1588
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 4: take the money. Both of them said, take your money

1589
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 4: and take because they'll trade you and you won't get that.

1590
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 4: You won't be able to make up no twenty million dollars.

1591
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 4: They was gonna give me twenty eight and they said,

1592
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 4: we give you six for forty eight. I'm like, you

1593
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 4: can't make up twenty million just like that, especially if

1594
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 4: I get hurt again. So I said, man, I gotta make.

1595
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: It lead nothing on the table. You'll never get back.

1596
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 4: Because because I was a second league scorer on the

1597
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 4: San Antonio team, so if I stayed there for a

1598
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 4: couple more years my career might have been different. But

1599
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 4: I was like, I think of the future and I

1600
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 4: was like, you know what, let me go to Portland

1601
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 4: and Portland when I got there, I loved my brother,

1602
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 4: Portland brother, everybody them, everybody was high, everybody was they

1603
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 4: was having fun.

1604
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: Had that good BC man, that good home grown now you.

1605
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 4: Know, you know David Robinson was the church, Avery Johnson's church.

1606
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 4: Tim was quiet. I went from church to the head

1607
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 4: and I was like, man.

1608
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 3: I from that to is that when they was calling

1609
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 3: you all a trailblade?

1610
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, we had man. I love hi dude,

1611
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 4: but that was the best time. Though. Them dudes are

1612
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 4: so real and down the earth, and I'm like, this is

1613
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 4: what I grew up with. You think about all the

1614
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 4: dudes I grew up. Most of them dudes are like

1615
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 4: the quarter team, like from everybody likedl Davis, like then

1616
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 4: with like Rashid Wallace, Bonzie, Ruby Pattterson, my boy.

1617
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 2: Pipping hipping Um.

1618
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 4: Zach Randolph was a rookie, Quintail Woods was a hooper. Like.

1619
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 4: We had a loaded team. So it was like, man,

1620
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 4: this is like being a right brothers. But we had

1621
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 4: a great time.

1622
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 3: But it was just did you ever think that you

1623
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: was gonna play with Scottie Pippen? Like did you not

1624
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 3: have times? But you was just like like, Bro, I'm

1625
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 3: like like my teammate, Like, Bro, I could I did

1626
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 3: an ESPN show with Pip. Bro, I was sitting there

1627
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 3: the whole time I kept we doing. I say, man,

1628
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 3: hold on, I'll be remiss if I ain't say I'm sick,

1629
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 3: and You're freaking out the whole damn time. Like Bro, this' Pip,

1630
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 3: Like I can remember vividly when I first played him,

1631
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 3: calling my partners and everything after the game, like Rogers

1632
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 3: scored on Pip, like you know what I'm saying, Like

1633
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 3: it was crazy, Like how was that? Like when you

1634
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 3: get into a locker room and this is like one

1635
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 3: of the all time greats, like you said you had

1636
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 3: WGN and louis Ville, you saw what was going on?

1637
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 3: Like how was that to be in the locker room

1638
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 3: and he on your team? Now, well he was.

1639
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 4: So quiet though when you meet him, he's just like

1640
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 4: what's up? So he wasn't like a row Rod guy,

1641
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 4: So you didn't really the oral was there, but the

1642
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 4: fear or the expectations though I don't hot approaches do

1643
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 4: wasn't really there because he was just a normal dude.

1644
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 4: Like he wasn't loud at all. He didn't talk loud.

1645
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 4: He went out and did his thing, bro, and I

1646
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 4: was just like, damn, this dude's cool. He's like just chill.

1647
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 4: So he wasn't like a guy that you couldn't talk to.

1648
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 4: Like we on the bus. He's like, Hey, we're gonna

1649
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 4: where y'all want to go? This and that that y'all

1650
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 4: have a meeting, and he'd be like, yeah, we'll be

1651
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 4: cool that we did. So unless you actually hung with him,

1652
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 4: you didn't never know his personality a lot. So for me,

1653
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 4: it was just a cool environment man to be around

1654
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 4: a dude. But he was he was like, damn, this

1655
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 4: dude Scotty Pivot. He wasn't the same Scotty Pivan either

1656
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 4: because he would go to practice. He got a chilling practice.

1657
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 4: He wouldn't kill you, and then in the game he's

1658
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 4: locking people up, he's killing dudes. I'm like, he don't practice.

1659
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 4: Like to face itself. He was in your like thirteen

1660
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 4: to fourteen too, so he was like, let me just

1661
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 4: practice a little bit, let me do this that. But

1662
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 4: he getting a game. Bro he was locking people. Damn,

1663
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 4: his things was all broke. I suck crazy this dude.

1664
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 4: He was a hello athlete though. Man, he's a good

1665
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 4: He's a good player for sure.

1666
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: So how was it when Dee Miles came to the squad.

1667
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1668
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: I know he was that boy and he, you know

1669
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, doing his thing he got to the squad.

1670
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: But no, I don't just bullshit, but.

1671
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: I want to talk about that when I got to

1672
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: the squad. I know y'all had a slow start before

1673
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 2: I got there, but when I got to the squad,

1674
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 2: I came in and I stow starting with you and Damon,

1675
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: but we had she and z Bo starting too, and

1676
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 2: we went like on.

1677
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 4: The thirteen win Street.

1678
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went on.

1679
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: Like a win streak, like beating the Lakers, beating a

1680
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: bunch of teams, and then all of a sudden they traded.

1681
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 3: She did.

1682
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 2: She said he wanted to get up out of there.

1683
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: Do you remember that time?

1684
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, because I tried out the dog and talk

1685
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 4: about people, man, how to respect more chicks just messed

1686
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 4: us up. He was putting in the wrong line up.

1687
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 4: It was like he's trying to piece people and I

1688
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 4: don't know if it was the owners or not. So

1689
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 4: I'm just like, man, this he's killing our vibe. Like

1690
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 4: why you change up everything? Like everything's going He wanted

1691
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 4: to move you to the four, and move was back

1692
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 4: to the five, and I'm like, can't nobody guard the

1693
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 4: miles of the three? We can post them up and

1694
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 4: you could pass. It's like you was like you would

1695
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 4: see me and Damon off of that past the double

1696
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 4: we were coming.

1697
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: So I'm just told me what y'all was doing. I

1698
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 2: was like, oh, right, do that now. Yeah, I'm just

1699
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 2: finna drive hard. You come behind me through a simple basket.

1700
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 4: And this wasn't a drawn up play. It was guys

1701
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 4: how to play basketball. So when they traded, she man,

1702
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 4: you could see everybody's attitude. When Zach went sex said

1703
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get mine and he wouldn't got his buckets. Uh,

1704
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 4: he's He put Damon on the bench, and I think

1705
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 4: he started playing other people. He made. He put you

1706
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 4: at the one. Remember he put Courteil Woods at the

1707
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 4: one and quintel Wood was like he was cold, but

1708
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 4: he needed to be on the wing killing people.

1709
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what Cheeks was on man, I didn't need.

1710
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: We came in the locker room. D A and Damon

1711
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 2: was like, man, don't say nothing, d mind, don't say nothing.

1712
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: We tried to just I tried.

1713
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 4: To remember of the game he was starting. He changed

1714
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 4: the game and start living and put and no he

1715
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 4: started you and try to take you out a minute

1716
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 4: or two after the game and put Ruben in. It

1717
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 4: was like we was like, come on, coach man. He's like, man,

1718
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 4: he ain't listening. Were like, dude, it's like a minute

1719
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 4: two in the game, Like come on. Bro was like, man,

1720
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 4: with this, dude, he's gonna make me snap on the cheeks.

1721
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 2: You didn't know d A and David, you know, they

1722
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: was always the calm d A and Damon. They was

1723
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: like d miles he from the coming here and get

1724
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 2: on your ass. Don't say nothing, just take it. So

1725
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 2: I took it for the first like five minutes.

1726
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 4: No, it was like like thirty seconds.

1727
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what what triggered me? Don't que what triggered me?

1728
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: He was talking about me and I wentn't even on

1729
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: the fucking screen. I'm like, hold up, bro, I'm not

1730
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 2: even in the game and you you're talking about me

1731
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 2: and you on my ad.

1732
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: It just went left from there. Man, he just went

1733
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: left from there.

1734
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 4: You ever tell people that story about getting checked out

1735
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 4: the game? Him and him, he try to check Ruben

1736
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 4: in the game and it was six people. D Mouse like,

1737
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 4: I ain't coming out, So it's me. It's me, damon

1738
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 4: David wants to do it was it was six of

1739
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 4: us on the court, bro, and I'm looking like, dude,

1740
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 4: you ain't coming out. He said, dah, I'm not coming out.

1741
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 4: He said this man, I'm gonna heart fool with this. Dude,

1742
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 4: he said this. Dude said idiot. I said, bro, we're

1743
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 4: looking bad.

1744
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 3: Man.

1745
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 4: The rufflers like what y'all gonna do? The team coming

1746
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 4: out and was like, bro, you ain't coming out. The

1747
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 4: the mouse said, bro, I love y'all, I'm not coming

1748
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 4: out this game. And Ruben walked out. He said this

1749
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 4: is crazy. So Ruby just got out to get said

1750
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 4: y'all killed. He stayed here too, and he started.

1751
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 3: Can't get it cause you ain't got it.

1752
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 2: It was just a lot of bullsh it that was

1753
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 2: just going on. And then you know, the media wasn't

1754
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 2: on your on your squad. They just talking about us

1755
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: because they don't got nothing else to talk about, which

1756
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: was crazy because I love living important.

1757
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: Portland was a beautiful city.

1758
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 3: Man.

1759
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: It was cool that the.

1760
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 2: Fans came out every game, but it was just I

1761
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: feel like it was just a whole lot of unnecessary ship,

1762
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: just just that was just going on.

1763
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 3: Ain't coming out? You said, No, I ain't coming out?

1764
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 3: He said coming out.

1765
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 4: And he was stretching, you know, he grabbed you back

1766
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 4: your legs.

1767
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 3: He was, no, I ain't not me all right. You know.

1768
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 2: I was geeked because every time I played on never

1769
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: made the playoffs, and Portland that made the playoffs like

1770
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five years in a row. So

1771
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 2: I get to the team and all of a sudden

1772
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 2: they will make the playoffs no more. That shit pissed me.

1773
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: Oh.

1774
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: I was so geeked to go to the point like, oh,

1775
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 2: I'm finna get in the playoffs.

1776
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: Nice. Oh, he motherfucker.

1777
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 2: As soon as I got there, she was like, shit,

1778
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: the minds, I'm out out. They better get rid of

1779
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 2: me before I'm telling you they gonna lose me for nothing.

1780
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 2: They better get rid of me for the line.

1781
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 4: He was saying that out loud too.

1782
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, get with everybody, everybody.

1783
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 3: He was wearing when he was wearing tape over this stuff,

1784
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 3: the goals and.

1785
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the realist, dude. That boy, he's one of

1786
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 4: the best teammates you ever want to have though.

1787
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, she was that guy. Man, she was that guy. Man.

1788
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: I love playing with the Blazers.

1789
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: Man, it was dope playing which especially playing with you

1790
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 2: and Damon z Bow.

1791
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah. I want to tell you.

1792
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you how y'all influenced the young fellow

1793
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 3: that like, first of all, I want to ask you,

1794
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 3: when did you start wearing the deodorant? Come with the cologne? Kids,

1795
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 3: you would be getting the shit because this boy be

1796
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 3: on the court smelling like cool water or whatever else.

1797
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 3: He smelled like cologne on the court. I remember I'm

1798
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 3: guarding at one time. I said, well, you got cologne on.

1799
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 3: He was like, no, that's yoda. I said, so look,

1800
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: let me tell you how you and Damon had that

1801
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 3: influence the young boy start wearing cologns and having fancy

1802
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 3: smelled goods. I said, look, I said, man, look at

1803
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 3: my young boy. He got inspired. When did you just

1804
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 3: start doing that?

1805
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 4: Bro? I had to deal with this marketing company. They

1806
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 4: was talking about doing something the angel cologne. I don't

1807
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 4: know if you remember the Angel cologne.

1808
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: The Angel. Yeah.

1809
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 4: So they was like the main where Theoder sit had tests.

1810
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 4: So I was like, man, this smells good. And I

1811
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 4: didn't have to put no colown because when I was

1812
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 4: growing up, you know, I didn't have no hygiene. I

1813
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 4: was like, every time I go to the game, I'm

1814
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 4: iced up with a white deodor. I ain't trying to

1815
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 4: So I was like, every since then, I'm just gonna

1816
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 4: put theodor on so I'll never smell. So I did

1817
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 4: it with this deal many. I was put the Colonne

1818
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 4: on before a game and I was like, after the game,

1819
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 4: I smelled damn near the same. So I'm like, use

1820
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 4: this and it was it was an Angel. The older man.

1821
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 3: Man was out there smelling like high fast y'all on

1822
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 3: the court, like yo, bro, this man got like literally

1823
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 3: you come out to and we was talking about like yo,

1824
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 3: d ain't got on Colone bro, Like nah, bro, he

1825
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 3: got on for real cologne like this ain't no, just

1826
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 3: like Noder like we all thought he had on. Ain't no. Lie.

1827
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 4: I just told my wife, I think two days ago.

1828
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,799
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I had the Older and everybody

1829
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 4: thought I had clone. I swear to God, I just

1830
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 4: promise you because I like nailed them. I ain't never

1831
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 4: got my nails dumb, but I ain't dirt, so, you know,

1832
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 4: come from the hood. I'm like, I'm trying to be clean.

1833
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 4: I tried to be that stinky kid because they get

1834
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 4: jawned on back then they ride you out man. So

1835
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, nah, I ain't gonna be a stinky kid.

1836
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 4: So it just stuck with me. I'm like, I'm gonna

1837
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 4: put the oldoring on. I ain't gonna be dirt.

1838
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: That was it.

1839
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the I remember people saying, say, Man,

1840
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 4: what you got on Yoda. I'm like, it's like, man,

1841
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 4: what you hell?

1842
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 3: Oh?

1843
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 4: Man?

1844
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 3: That was definitely a real thing. Bro. Man if he

1845
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 3: the steak that man had on straight Theodory.

1846
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the card game, man, Yeah, card,

1847
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 2: Like a lot of posts thought that was all me

1848
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: and Zebra and I used to be like, nah da

1849
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 2: had whips in that jont that you don't even know about.

1850
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: He had the game.

1851
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 2: That was just crazy because a lot of people every

1852
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 2: time they came to pull and they look and see

1853
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 2: them card, they be like, man, you all had a

1854
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: stupid car.

1855
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 3: Showing car show.

1856
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 4: I got mine all painted. Remember I was getting all

1857
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 4: my painting so a range rove. I made it like

1858
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 4: Alabama color maroon because I was Alabama football fans in

1859
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety. Then I got a blue Humber from Kentucky

1860
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 4: and got it freaked o. So they was like, who's

1861
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,560
Speaker 4: got his coup. Then I got my uh, Bentley and

1862
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 4: Zula painted, like all my cars. Was painting cute, so

1863
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 4: none of my was factory like every factor everybody had them.

1864
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 4: So everybody's like, I'm gonna be right around. I got

1865
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 4: to come to practice and I see the same two

1866
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 4: of my teammates got the same Cadillac trucks and color

1867
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 4: just different. Rim So I was just started painting all

1868
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 4: my cars. So when you see it was after market,

1869
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 4: but you like, let's color come from? So literally I

1870
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 4: was every card I was getting, I was. I was

1871
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 4: changing the inside to make them sway. So I was

1872
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 4: just it was just my thing. Like I was just

1873
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 4: a car guy, like I ain't gambled, So I was

1874
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 4: like like.

1875
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 3: And just looking at the cars like damn, like yeah,

1876
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 3: oh look at that. Okay, yeah yeah it was like

1877
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 3: that over there y'all. Had I remember Zebra had the

1878
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 3: money green Rose Royce had all that out there. Man

1879
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 3: y'all was doing the whole whole had.

1880
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: Drop chop on the thirties.

1881
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 3: I'm about to say he had to fly. He had

1882
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 3: and look they won't put it at the bottom of

1883
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 3: the ramp on display with the big thirty inch flying

1884
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 3: saut Serenes. Man had graffiti on it. Man had all

1885
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 3: types of spaceship, school spaceship. He had Tesla technology in

1886
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 3: that old old heint it. The whole dash board was digital.

1887
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 3: This was in like two thousand and one. Man had

1888
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 3: a whole dish. I said, how you do this? He said, Man. Look,

1889
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 3: I said, good lord, the whole thing in front of

1890
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 3: me is all digital.

1891
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 4: And I said, man, this is And he was still

1892
01:18:58,840 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 4: had loud music.

1893
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 3: Never nothing ain't gonna not have to allow me. That's

1894
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,480
Speaker 3: a D. Miles trademark.

1895
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put a speaker in my ship.

1896
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 3: Nothing. I used to not want to ride with D

1897
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 3: Mouths because you get in there and he got so

1898
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 3: much base at your whole body, itching and vibrating from

1899
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 3: the base the whole time like this. I used to

1900
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 3: be looking at him like brow, This ain't enjoyable. This

1901
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 3: is not enjoyable. I'm about to get out of here

1902
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 3: be damn God, damn, just just tripping.

1903
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: I will talk about man, after my first year, you

1904
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 2: always stow an event in Louisville.

1905
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: Every summer, man.

1906
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 2: So I got a chance to come down and just

1907
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 2: you know, being Louisville. It was like my second time

1908
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 2: ever in Louisville and be down there.

1909
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 3: Man.

1910
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: We went to the local barber shop where you get

1911
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 2: your haircut, man, and just kind of see how the town,

1912
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, just feel about you.

1913
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 3: Man.

1914
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 2: We've seen nothing but love all the way through it.

1915
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: To spend that weekend down there, I think you had

1916
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 2: a party, had a comedy show, you had a concert,

1917
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:06,799
Speaker 2: all that stuff.

1918
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: Tell us about that what you was.

1919
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 2: Doing every year for the community, and it was to

1920
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: help the community, like man, I remember we went to

1921
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 2: a barbershop. You had kids getting free haircuts and people

1922
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 2: getting free call washes, that the car washer was there.

1923
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: It was just like a bunch of stuff. But I

1924
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 2: remember you telling me about it. He was like, do

1925
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 2: you gonna come? And I said, yeah, I'm gonna come.

1926
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,759
Speaker 1: And we came down there. Man. We had a ball where.

1927
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 2: I was mad that I set my flight up to

1928
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 2: leave so early because I had to go to Miami.

1929
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: I think we had to go to Zoe Summer Groove

1930
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 2: or something like that. But I was so mad that

1931
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 2: I set my flight up so early because I wanted

1932
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 2: to stay longer. We had such a good time. But

1933
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 2: tell us about the weekends that you used to throw

1934
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,959
Speaker 2: every year in Louisville that got the community like involved

1935
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 2: and bringing something to the community.

1936
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 4: It was my birthday weekend, so in July. Every July,

1937
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 4: I would do a weekend and celebrate my birthday. But

1938
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 4: I was getting back when I was getting till Friday night.

1939
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 4: It would be a comedy show. Saturday morning, I would

1940
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 4: do a free giveaways in my shoe stores and like

1941
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 4: you said, car washes, get people paper kids, get haircuts,

1942
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 4: give them clothes, and then at night I would have

1943
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 4: entertainers like ty Reason. All of them would come perform

1944
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 4: that Saturday night, and Sunday I did a free picnic

1945
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 4: so Q. The park was sold out. The highway was

1946
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 4: backed up for almost two miles, so you had to

1947
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 4: get security to go all the way around the city

1948
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 4: to get back to it. But I fed people free.

1949
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 4: I gave all them kids' shoes. Jordan stuff free and

1950
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 4: it probably at least two probably two three thousand people

1951
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 4: out there in the park and there was no violence,

1952
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 4: no shooting. Everybody knew how we rolled. They was like,

1953
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 4: don't mess up day stuff. And to your point, it's

1954
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 4: like I didn't have hated my city from the majority.

1955
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure you got haters all over the place, but

1956
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 4: most of the city was always, man, we appreciate you

1957
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 4: even coming back and doing this. You know, Mohammed Ali's

1958
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 4: from there. You know, he come back to show his presence,

1959
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 4: but he never did it in weekend. You know, the

1960
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 4: river gave back and the way he gave back, but

1961
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 4: we didn't have one dude that was from there to

1962
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 4: come back and be like, let me break out in

1963
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 4: the city and help it.

1964
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1965
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 4: I was just trying to down like they was like,

1966
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 4: we don't play about dude. He always helping us out

1967
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 4: and we respect him, you know this and that, And

1968
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 4: it was just love. Man. You can't hate on somebody

1969
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 4: who's giving something like I was asking for that.

1970
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 3: I was just getting.

1971
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 2: You definitely gave more cause like I mean, people kids,

1972
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: poll set up everything like food, Like this is a

1973
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: weekend that we didn't go to a restaurant or nowhere

1974
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 2: to eat, cause the food was like supplied everywhere we went,

1975
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:31,919
Speaker 2: like we didn't have to spend.

1976
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: A dime down there. We were just down there like

1977
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, we a hood guy.

1978
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 2: So we we standing. Now we all that we got

1979
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: her cuts. I'm like, oh, I'm coming back to This

1980
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: was crazy and that's.

1981
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 3: What I did.

1982
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 4: I'll make sure everybody, like I got a meat marke

1983
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 4: a guy pay for the food.

1984
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 3: I paid the.

1985
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 4: Guys who barbecue. I took different barbecue guys from different

1986
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 4: places in the city and told them, y'all come here

1987
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 4: and cook. So what like one barbecue, I like four

1988
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 4: or five different guys doing it. And that's the only

1989
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 4: way you can stuff work, bro, you got to work

1990
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 4: with each other. Man. We don't do that no more

1991
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 4: like you get four dudes from diferent neighborhoods, you're all barbecued.

1992
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 4: I paid all of them, paid for the food. It's

1993
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 4: all free. Just do it so now the community. That's

1994
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 4: why we didn't have no violence. Everybody didn't nobody to

1995
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 4: pay for nothing. It was like it's all free. It's

1996
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 4: all of like, you get this and you can bring

1997
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 4: your kids. We had a section over here like bro,

1998
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 4: I buried more people, I paid for college scholarships. I've

1999
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 4: done so much stuff. But it was because I knew

2000
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 4: people like me needed that, you know what I mean.

2001
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 4: So if you go back to that neighborhood, man, I

2002
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 4: do it any neighborhood now because some of these kids,

2003
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 4: you know, just get my hand, a good upbringing. They

2004
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 4: just need an opportunity. But back then, man, my inner city,

2005
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 4: and they be like, man, he's from the hood. I'm

2006
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 4: like from the dirt like this dude. Yeah, So just

2007
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 4: because I'm ignorant, don't mean that, you know, like we

2008
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,560
Speaker 4: ain't come from something like y'all think you got to

2009
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 4: be ignorant to be from the hood. No, that's just

2010
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 4: what people from try. It's the smartest people I know

2011
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 4: came out of that neighborhood, you know what I mean.

2012
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 4: They got companies and businesses. So people just try to

2013
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 4: judge you one way. But man, we had a great

2014
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 4: time back in the day, and it was easier. It

2015
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 4: was easy to be a family and be a union.

2016
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 4: Man missed those days.

2017
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there was a lot of love down there.

2018
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 2: When we went down there, man, it was it was

2019
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 2: amazing to see. Like I said, we had me and

2020
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 2: my homeboys talk about that that week into this day

2021
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 2: of like, Man, we went to Louisville and.

2022
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: Just kicked it like the whole time, Like the whole time.

2023
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't even remember a part where I was in

2024
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: the room.

2025
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 3: Kicked it the old time.

2026
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 4: Tell you, I made sure you didn't go you landed.

2027
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 4: You went to the comedy show. The next morning, I

2028
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 4: had y'all down there at the free giveaway so at

2029
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 4: we had real food, had everything to eat. Then you

2030
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 4: get like probably from three to six to get ready

2031
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,560
Speaker 4: for the party. The party over seven thirty. Then I

2032
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 4: had a comedy, I had the entertainers, and then after

2033
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 4: party and everybody to eat.

2034
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't even remember being in the room at all.

2035
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 2: Like we was at the barber shop about two hours

2036
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 2: I'm talking about and had a ball.

2037
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: Like I'm talking about, we ate like everything was just

2038
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: like laid out.

2039
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 3: Bro.

2040
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you man inviting me and the homies man,

2041
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 2: because like I say, that's when on our memories that

2042
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: we always talk about, Bro, And like I say, the community,

2043
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 2: I can feel the love they had for you.

2044
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: That what made it even more special, you know what

2045
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

2046
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 2: How everybody like, man, the older folks always to the

2047
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 2: younger folks, Man, how they just spoke about you and

2048
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 2: just spoke about.

2049
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: Just me being there, appreciate me being there. It was

2050
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: just it was just real, dope.

2051
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 4: It was good. I appreciate you coming bro. Good times.

2052
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 3: Man.

2053
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 2: You know when I was in Portland, I didn't never

2054
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 2: know what happened. I just know you wanted you wasn't

2055
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 2: ner no more. And then you wind up signing to

2056
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: signing with Houston. You spent the half a year in Houston,

2057
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 2: and then you went to Miami.

2058
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 3: Then to them Heat Heat Coulture he coached.

2059
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 2: And you get the chance to you know what we

2060
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 2: all want to do, win a championship with the maya huge.

2061
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: Just so just tell us about that, you know, and

2062
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: the trade deadline or whatever. You got traded to the

2063
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 2: Heat and you know, you finishing the year out there

2064
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: and they going on that run to win the championship.

2065
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 4: What happened was a Portland like the dude told me,

2066
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 4: because he said, man, we're gonna try to get you

2067
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 4: traded and we're gonna, you know, say you got a

2068
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 4: little injured and we're gonna send you home. So he

2069
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 4: sent me home to the general manager. I ain't gonna

2070
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 4: say his name. He was he was a clown too,

2071
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 4: and he sent me home and said clown, super clown.

2072
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 4: So he sent me home and the next day they say, well, hey,

2073
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 4: Derek Anderson missed the game because it's toothache and I'm

2074
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 4: like a toothache. And he sent me home because he

2075
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 4: was trying to trade me, so he wanted to make

2076
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 4: me look bad because they wanted to do that and

2077
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 4: buy out thing. And I'm like, I came and so

2078
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 4: I came back and I went off on him in

2079
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 4: the office. I said, they don't play with me like that.

2080
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 4: That's my life. I went off on him, and like

2081
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 4: a couple of days later, I got I got released

2082
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 4: in the ambnessy after and it was like right after,

2083
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 4: so I was like, good and I'm sick of this idiot.

2084
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 4: I was like that dude literally said I had a toothache.

2085
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 4: Who the hell get sit out for a toothache?

2086
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 2: I said, bront want to get in because, like I said,

2087
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 2: I don't even know what happened.

2088
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: They was food down there and I.

2089
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 4: Said, I said, man, come on, you could have made

2090
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 4: us and he said, we were just trying to get

2091
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 4: you you know, stay home. I'm like, dude, say I

2092
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 4: got to my ankle back, he said, but they got

2093
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 4: to check. I'm like, dude, don't say a tooth day,

2094
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 4: say anything. And so when he all yelled a custom him,

2095
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 4: Yeah it was wild, I said, And they let this

2096
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 4: stuff go back then, Q they make up all kind

2097
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 4: of stories.

2098
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sent me home. The next year, did the

2099
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: same thing, so you can just go home.

2100
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, this goal, it was like, dude, you gotta give

2101
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 4: a reason to person. Just try to trade him, not

2102
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 4: buying out, just get rid of don't make them look

2103
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 4: bad when they ain't done nothing. We open. So after that,

2104
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 4: I went to you said, and then y'all mean and

2105
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 4: Tracy got hurt in the middle of the season, so

2106
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 4: our season was over, and I'm just like, yeah, being

2107
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 4: dundy came as a good coach should say, hey, man,

2108
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 4: season's over. You wanna get traded. You want to go somewhere,

2109
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 4: let me know. And as soon as they said, well, hey,

2110
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 4: we'll trade for you Miami, pat Riley called me because

2111
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 4: I was supposed to go to Miami before I went

2112
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 4: to San Antonio. I was going there that they had

2113
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 4: Bruce Born and all them do so I'm just like,

2114
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 4: I wait, Eddie Jones they got trade wasn't traded yet,

2115
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 4: so I was like, well, I wait. And then I

2116
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 4: went to Miami. We won a championship. First game I

2117
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 4: got there ahead a game time shot and then hit

2118
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 4: a rebound and passed it. We won a game. First

2119
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 4: time I ever played that happened. I was like, I'm

2120
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 4: loving this. And then the playoffs started and when Dwayne

2121
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 4: Wade went off, it was like my time went off.

2122
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 4: I was like, the du play them in the whole game.

2123
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 4: I'm sitting over here like, yo, you're gonna get me

2124
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 4: in it. After we won a championship, I'm like I retired.

2125
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 4: So I was like, man, I was done. I won

2126
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 4: a championship at that level. I got my years in.

2127
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm good, Like I'm not going to go

2128
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 4: back and forth with this.

2129
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 3: And how was that though, Like even though you didn't

2130
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 3: play as much as you probably would have liked to,

2131
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 3: but like still to be in that moment to how

2132
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 3: the confetti fall in y'all doing a champagne shot, was

2133
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 3: the celebrations, Like how was that like? With you know

2134
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Then for you, you wanted the few

2135
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 3: people to winning one in college in the NBA. What

2136
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 3: was that like for you?

2137
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 4: Like, achieving that accomplishment. It was weird because in the

2138
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 4: true story, man, I was when I got to the

2139
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 4: locker room, we were celebrating shock and it was throwing

2140
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 4: champagne and it was everywhere. You know, I ain't never

2141
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 4: tasted it, so I gotta taste it. My math, I'm like, dang.

2142
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 4: Like so I'm just like, like my mother, It's like,

2143
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 4: what the hell is this like? So I didn't get

2144
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if I was a buzz or what.

2145
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 4: So I went to the bathroom and I was like, man,

2146
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 4: I got it, Like it was crazy in my eyes

2147
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 4: and everything. So it was crazy. And I looked in

2148
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 4: the mirror. Man, I'm like, damn, I hadn't made it

2149
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 4: a long damn way, bro, And I just started thinking

2150
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 4: about all the stuff I've been through. And I was

2151
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 4: in the mirror and people came in. It's like, what

2152
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 4: are you doing. I'm like, man, I'm just taking it

2153
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 4: all day. And bro, like, I couldn't even from that

2154
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 4: because I was thinking about all the shit I'd have

2155
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 4: been through. So I'm just thinking, man, this is crazy.

2156
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 4: I'd have made it all the way in his spot.

2157
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 4: So to my mind, man, I just because it was

2158
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 4: just different. Bro, it was surreal. So I didn't even

2159
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 4: get the enjoy the full celebration because I was so

2160
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 4: caught up in trying to realize. And I my mother

2161
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 4: and father never saw me play. They never bought a

2162
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 4: pair of shoes, so, I mean, they never stepped in

2163
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 4: the gym with me, like you know what I mean.

2164
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:46,759
Speaker 4: So it was like it was one of those feelings

2165
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 4: you're like, damn, I wish I had somebody, you know

2166
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 4: what I mean to like actually, like my parents are

2167
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 4: kind of like say, we proud of you. It was

2168
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 4: kind of one of them, like running like personal moments.

2169
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 4: So I had that little moment. Then I went back

2170
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 4: out and started celebrating and it was good.

2171
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 3: Man.

2172
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 4: I mean College was more of a team and a

2173
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 4: fun feel so that member that meant more. But that

2174
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 4: NBA Championship was like full circle. It was like it

2175
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 4: told me to retire because I still had game. But

2176
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 4: I was just like, I don't need nothing else, man,

2177
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 4: this is like a complete circle. Don't do too much,

2178
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 4: and so I just retired after that. Man, it was

2179
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 4: it was a great ending for me.

2180
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: I won't say this.

2181
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 2: Well for motherfuckers who don't know, da a dunk on

2182
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 2: your motherfucking ass real quick. If you get the tripping,

2183
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 2: tell us like one of your favorite dunk owns that

2184
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,560
Speaker 2: you done had coming up, because like you got some

2185
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: you got some posters.

2186
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: Let me see, let me see, Oh he got it,

2187
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:40,839
Speaker 1: laid out.

2188
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 3: Something on the ground. I remember that too. I remember that.

2189
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 2: Just Lord, what is your something and you got something

2190
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 2: in the league. What's what's one of your favorites that

2191
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 2: stick out the most that you know? I remember when

2192
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 2: when I was doing and you would get a dunk

2193
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 2: and we'll be like, WHOA where that comes from?

2194
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I sneak.

2195
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 2: Because you were so smooth and then all of a

2196
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 2: sudden you would just bust out boom. But uh, I

2197
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 2: know you got you got something, specially in Cleveland too,

2198
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 2: like telling something one of the dunks that kind of

2199
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 2: stick out to you that you done kind of.

2200
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,520
Speaker 1: Dumped on somebody or posted somebody that that you remember.

2201
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 4: College of Pros because college was a little dumb. It

2202
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:26,719
Speaker 4: was personal because they okay pros. Yeah, it was personally

2203
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 4: Kentucky dump the Pros, I would say, dumping on Patrick

2204
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 4: Ewan because he used to elbow me every time I

2205
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 4: come and run. He be trying to break my nose.

2206
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 4: He come in hit you in an elbow. I'm like, man,

2207
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 4: why trying to hurt somebody? So I finally called him slipping.

2208
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 4: He turned his back. You know how he goes set

2209
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 4: his cross screen, so he was playing half and half

2210
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 4: and by the time he turned around, I was already baseline.

2211
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 1: I just already leaning.

2212
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 4: I went up hold him. I was trying to break

2213
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 4: my wrists. That was so many boy, he'd be trying

2214
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 4: to kill y'all. Was like, he hit me one time,

2215
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 4: like he tried to come like this and miss me.

2216
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 4: I said, man, work my nose. He said yeah. I

2217
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 4: said it was curry.

2218
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,679
Speaker 1: So I was always trying to bad boy knicks.

2219
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 4: Man. I got the ken Bab before I got I

2220
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 4: did one on the I said, dude, it was a

2221
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 4: box from Indiana off of one leg. I called him

2222
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 4: and knock him down, but.

2223
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 3: It was.

2224
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know you got something.

2225
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 4: Man.

2226
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 1: They go and check these highlights after you see my boy.

2227
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was an elevation expert. See him booming a

2228
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 3: couple of people. Man, people never.

2229
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 4: Can know I had two a cl People never know

2230
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 4: how to both A C. That's how I look at you.

2231
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. I didn't know tub if I

2232
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 4: even got to the league.

2233
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I only knew about the one like when you

2234
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 3: was coming to Kentucky, I don't knew about that. I

2235
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 3: didn't know it was twice.

2236
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I touched the top back boys, I was

2237
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 4: I was super od man.

2238
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 3: Tell me this though, like you know, especially somebody like

2239
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 3: you coming from very very humble beginnings and then getting

2240
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 3: that good bag. I want to know what DA did

2241
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 3: to treat yourself when you got when you signed that

2242
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 3: six year forty eight. You know what I'm saying. Once

2243
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 3: you got most I know you already said, you started

2244
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 3: your foundation, you did this. I don't hear about the

2245
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 3: business and the smart stuff. I want to hear about.

2246
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 3: I want to go about one of them, one of

2247
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 3: them ignorant chains, one of them ignorant with something that

2248
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 3: we looked back like now that was a little bit

2249
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 3: too much. When I did it, me and my homeboys

2250
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 3: was like, this is the dopest ship grown. Now we're

2251
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 3: looking back like we were stripping with like but but

2252
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 3: but it was cold when it happened. We felt all

2253
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 3: that it was cars.

2254
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 4: It was car. I had like a sky blue rolls

2255
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 4: and sky blue convertible, sky blue four door Ghosts. I

2256
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 4: had all. I had three Rose Royce in one time.

2257
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 4: Then I had it when they first came out.

2258
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 3: But again, oh, I haven't seen the picture in front

2259
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 3: of the Big Boy House with like it was about

2260
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 3: it was about three Roses, about four or five bends. Yep,

2261
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:59,839
Speaker 3: damn that every every class other Bens now upper classes.

2262
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 3: Not he had about every picture saw but about every

2263
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 3: upper class car other Ben's family.

2264
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 4: I got the may box made. Everything I was doing

2265
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 4: was mad because I won't look like nobody else. So

2266
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 4: I was getting stuff made. I was going the color

2267
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 4: paint Loyalty on the side of the trucks they let

2268
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 4: me kind of.

2269
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that was the thing, loyal loyal wan lod.

2270
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 4: So I took all the regular Ben's labels. All I

2271
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 4: was I was, I was the valiant hell out of

2272
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 4: my car. But I was to layd tell everything and

2273
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 4: loyal won on everything. So I was just buying cars.

2274
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 4: I had one hundred cars and eleven eleven year career.

2275
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 4: One hundred cars.

2276
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, heard like Rick Ross was buying your cars and yeah,

2277
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 2: j my sky Blue Rose.

2278
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 4: DJ Callap came a little saw it and said, man,

2279
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 4: I want this one, and he bought it. Right, they

2280
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 4: bought and I shipped to him.

2281
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:52,719
Speaker 3: Wow, honey, card boy, Yeah, game extremely proper.

2282
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 4: I was doing some dumb stuff and I never released him.

2283
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 4: So when I saw them, like some of my maid money,

2284
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 4: some of my loss, but because some people will pay more,

2285
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 4: Like I sold one to an entertainer. I paid like

2286
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 4: four ten to four and sold it to them for

2287
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 4: five hundred. And it was after and drove with about

2288
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 4: two months and they were like, man, I want that

2289
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 4: one because it was special made. I didn't have no

2290
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 4: silver hood. I got them all painting, so they were like,

2291
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 4: give me this. I'm like, okay, I made about ninety off.

2292
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 4: I'm good and some of them I get here, I

2293
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 4: get beaten ahead with and they said, man, I don't

2294
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 4: want this after market. I'm like, damn.

2295
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 2: So if you had to make an ultimate team with you,

2296
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 2: you got to pick four other teammates out of all

2297
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 2: the teammates you to play within the NBA, who would

2298
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 2: beat them four other teammates and you can leave me

2299
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 2: out because I know I'm your favorite teammate, you know, like,

2300
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 2: but pick four other ones. I know I'm your favorite teammates,

2301
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 2: so you can leave me out.

2302
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: I know, I know you know you played with some

2303
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: good player.

2304
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 2: But if you had to pick four other teammates to

2305
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 2: make your ultimate five, who would beat them?

2306
01:35:58,240 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: For other teammates?

2307
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 2: You and play with all of them in their prime though,

2308
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:03,560
Speaker 2: whether they play with you and the prime or not,

2309
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna take all four of them in their prime.

2310
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 2: So if you had to make an ultimate five team,

2311
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 2: what would be your ultimate five team?

2312
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 4: With you?

2313
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 3: You already at the two of the three?

2314
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, which I gotta play the two or three? I'm

2315
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 4: gonna go to the two if I was gonna go

2316
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 4: with a big line up, but damn whoever d Wade

2317
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 4: could play in one?

2318
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

2319
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 4: Because I love Damon start by two, I love man.

2320
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Damon because I know

2321
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 4: he's gonna get me bucket and he gonna he's gonna.

2322
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 3: Dive me up.

2323
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go.

2324
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I go to two.

2325
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 2: Uh.

2326
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 4: Ruben Pattison was a beast on big uh T. I'm

2327
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 4: gonna go. I'm going the big line I'm going to

2328
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 4: she at the three. I'm gonna go with Tim dunking

2329
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 4: at the four, i'mnna go with Shock at the five.

2330
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,759
Speaker 4: We're just gonna be big in athletic you damon.

2331
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: She duncan and shut.

2332
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 4: Remember, so he could shoot, so me and him on

2333
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 4: the wing he could guard too. And then David's gonna

2334
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 4: bring it up. Do what he do if you try

2335
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 4: to double with he gonna knocked threes. Now, ain't he

2336
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 4: gonna get to the cuff? Uh? Then you got Tim

2337
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 4: playing tomat You got a big fellow backing it up.

2338
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 1: So I like that five, man, that's a silid fire

2339
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: right there.

2340
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 4: It's good five right there?

2341
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 3: I look good to uh A Okay? Is your foundation?

2342
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,759
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Okay?

2343
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 2: Tell us more about aoka and ask what kind is

2344
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 2: and what you're doing with aoka for the community.

2345
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 4: Well, I think what we do we can teach our

2346
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 4: kids to go to school, get jobs, you know, teach

2347
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 4: them how to behave teach them how to be nice

2348
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 4: each other. One thing we lost about things common, common

2349
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 4: courtesy and manners. You know, you and I grew up. Man,

2350
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 4: it was different. Like if I just saw y'all, like, hey,

2351
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 4: what's up? Fellas? Kids walk right past each other and

2352
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 4: walk past adults they don't speak. They on hold doors open,

2353
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 4: and a lot.

2354
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 1: Of them and say yes man, no man, yes sir.

2355
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,560
Speaker 4: But it's still adults. So I had to get the

2356
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 4: adults jump on board with this. So if you want

2357
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 4: my help and my support, what you got to do

2358
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 4: is teach your kids to be nice. I don't need

2359
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 4: no money from y'all, don't need no nothing. I need

2360
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 4: them to be nice kids so I can help them

2361
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 4: be better. And that's my whole program is. We just

2362
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 4: try to teach kids to be better mentally, as far

2363
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 4: as your common sense, common courtesy, polite skills, because you know,

2364
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 4: people hire people. They hired most of you because they

2365
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 4: like it. So if me and you had the same degree,

2366
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 4: same everything, which one they go hire, they're gonna say, well,

2367
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 4: I got I like him better. I like him not

2368
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 4: because you're smarter, it's because they like you. And a

2369
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 4: lot of this. So long of this generation, man, we

2370
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 4: missed this common courtesy with each other. So I ain't

2371
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 4: giving up on them. Man, I'm just gonna keep fighting

2372
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 4: and hopefully we can get these kids and start thinking

2373
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,759
Speaker 4: with respect for each other, respect for your elders, respect

2374
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 4: for your neighborhood. Because you know, That's how I say

2375
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 4: I gotta saved man. People help me out because of

2376
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 4: my attitude. I was yes, sir, Yes ma'am. They gave

2377
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 4: me jobs, gave me opportunities. People gave me food. They

2378
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 4: had the school teachers, the tick Caf teachers, they gave

2379
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 4: me two pizzas to eat. Because I was saying, yes, ma'am.

2380
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 4: They were you are such a good kid.

2381
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: Man.

2382
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 4: Here you go not knowing my situation. But because I

2383
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 4: was nice man, they looked out. So my all foundations

2384
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,679
Speaker 4: called the Stam of the Foundation. I wrote a couple

2385
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 4: of books and I'm finishing up now. It's called AOK

2386
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 4: Avengers Adventures, and another one's called I Will Because I Can.

2387
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 4: And just trying to get these young kids to think

2388
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 4: in a positive way because everything that we force feed them,

2389
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 4: man's about negativity. And we can get their minds right

2390
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 4: because eventually they gonna lead us one day. And I

2391
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 4: ain't trying to be led by no foolishness. If you

2392
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 4: look now, both presidential candidates and all that stuff, it's

2393
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 4: just like, why y'all going at each other instead of

2394
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 4: trying to fix the country, you know. So I think

2395
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 4: we're in a bad space, man, where we can't mentally,

2396
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 4: we need to be mentally tougher as far as being

2397
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 4: nice to each other.

2398
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: So I'm on that rock, man, I'm on social media

2399
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 1: killing the brain a little bit.

2400
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 3: Hey, I ain't know that you had a damn hotel

2401
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 3: in turks and Kkos, Bro, how did that come about?

2402
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,639
Speaker 4: I don't tell y'all a lot I don't want know about.

2403
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 4: I like keeping my all like famous. I want to

2404
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 4: be successful, bro, I don't you know that's right? Well,

2405
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 4: I want to be successful.

2406
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 1: That's all too, man.

2407
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 4: Listen, just what we got to do we got so

2408
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 4: for me, it's just I got that with a couple

2409
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 4: of villas. Try to keep that stuff going and keep

2410
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 4: it motivated, keep and bringing money in for my family

2411
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:20,600
Speaker 4: for the future. So that's my biggest purpose, man. All

2412
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 4: the stuff that I'm doing, man, is trying to push

2413
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 4: out positivity and productivity so I can leave something behind

2414
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 4: a tackle name. That's what I leave too, is leave

2415
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 4: more than your name. So that's what I believe, and

2416
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 4: so when I.

2417
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 2: Go exactly that's what I'm out here trying to fight

2418
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 2: for my kids to do. Just man, leave something more

2419
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 2: than my name behind to build some type of legacy

2420
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 2: and something they can just use to go on with

2421
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 2: in the future for sure, you know, as they come up.

2422
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about too.

2423
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 2: Man. I know you talking about your mom, and your

2424
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 2: mom didn't raise you coming up, but you got the

2425
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 2: opportunity to reconnect with her and have a Christmas with her.

2426
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 2: How was that after like twenty eight years, thirty years

2427
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 2: of her not being around, you, going through a whole career.

2428
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 1: You having kids. You know what I'm saying, But I

2429
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 1: wonder you can.

2430
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but I wanted to salute my dad too.

2431
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 4: A lot of dads don't get saluted. We go straight

2432
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 4: to moms and we love our moms. But my dad

2433
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 4: wasn't around because he was arguing with mom because of

2434
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 4: what she was doing. And I didn't know that. So,

2435
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 4: you know, when you hear a story, you're like, but man,

2436
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 4: why aren't you around? And when I found out the

2437
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 4: truth from both of them, she was like, I wasn't

2438
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 4: in a good space, and my Dad's like she wasn't

2439
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 4: in a good space. So it was volatile. I ain't

2440
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 4: trying to try to shoot at him. She tried to

2441
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 4: kill it with a gun. So when I talk to

2442
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 4: my pops. I'm like, damn. He was like, yeah, I'm sorry, son,

2443
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 4: I apologize and I'm like, this is all I could

2444
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 4: ask for. Man. We built a good relationship, and you know,

2445
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:43,599
Speaker 4: about a year after I met At, he died of cancer.

2446
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 4: But a lot of a lot of pops don't get saluted, man.

2447
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 4: We don't know what they out to pops.

2448
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 2: Man, I just want to suit understand that sea she raised.

2449
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes the men leave and go away because they don't

2450
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 2: want the confrontation of fighting over the kid or even

2451
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 2: fighting with the kids.

2452
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 4: Because my mom was bought to him when she shot

2453
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 4: at him. How many people gonna stay with somebody who

2454
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 4: shot at you, you know what I mean. So I

2455
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 4: had to I had to realize the reality was you

2456
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 4: got to hear both sides because it's you know, the

2457
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 4: truth and their truth, but to hear it come out

2458
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:14,599
Speaker 4: of both of them mouths, and you know, to understand

2459
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,560
Speaker 4: that they had to make amends. I just want to

2460
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 4: say salute to my pops and all the dads who

2461
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 4: still fighting and keep it stay focused, guys. You know

2462
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 4: this is what we do.

2463
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 3: Man.

2464
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,680
Speaker 4: It's men. It's we take the brunt of it, but

2465
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 4: we still fight to keep our kids in our lives.

2466
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 4: But the relationship I build with my dad.

2467
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 3: But then I did me my mom.

2468
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 4: Tried to get her clean. It was a hell show

2469
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 4: trying to get her clean. She wasn't right. But then

2470
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 4: I talked to her. Got cleaned enough. I said to

2471
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 4: the John Lucas and Houston. So I got it down there.

2472
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 4: Lucas took hook there for me, got her better. Thank

2473
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 4: goodness for the m v p A, you know, to

2474
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 4: have that program. So when I took it down and

2475
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 4: she came back, she was better. Man. So I wouldn't

2476
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 4: find my brother. She had another daughter. So we had

2477
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 4: Christmas dinner. Man, I brung all of us together and

2478
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 4: it was it was beautiful, man, just to see her

2479
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 4: in a different light. You know, it wasn't hatred. It

2480
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 4: was more like, I don't know what it was really,

2481
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 4: but it wasn't hatre. It was like, like, you know

2482
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 4: what she was going through something and I forgave her

2483
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 4: try to move on, and that's an addiction, so it

2484
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 4: don't go away, you know, just what she had. But

2485
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 4: it was so good to see her every day fight. Yeah,

2486
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 4: every day fight, so you know we're still in the

2487
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 4: fight with her. But it was just good to see her.

2488
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 3: Man.

2489
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 4: It was one of those things. You appreciate that opportunity

2490
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 4: because if I wouldn't have met my dad before he died,

2491
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have had that conversation. And a lot of

2492
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 4: us be holding on a lot of anger, try to

2493
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 4: figure out what's real, and we can't do it. Man,

2494
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 4: Just go find him, speak to him. You ain't got

2495
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 4: to hang with him, but you gotta. You only kid

2496
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 4: get a chapter closed in your life, and that was

2497
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 4: one of them.

2498
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 3: Man.

2499
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,479
Speaker 4: And it was rough seeing my mom like that. Man.

2500
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 4: She was bad, you know, and I didn't even know

2501
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 4: what she looked like. I hadn't seen her in years,

2502
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 4: So see her like that and then to get her

2503
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 4: cleaned up and look as dead. Man, it was a

2504
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 4: really good thing to see. And it's a messit to everybody. Man,

2505
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 4: life is pressuous. Brother, Say you say you sorry, move

2506
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 4: on and love people.

2507
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, like I'll be telling folks all

2508
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 2: the time and that seventies, eighties, nineties. Man, it's hard

2509
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,559
Speaker 2: for you to have a parent that's not not got

2510
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:03,680
Speaker 2: caught up in the drug game or got caught up

2511
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 2: in that game.

2512
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: Especially being from where we're from.

2513
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 2: You really can't blame them because once you get older,

2514
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 2: you realize life is hard. Choices and decisions are hard

2515
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 2: to make. Sometimes you be around the wrong people. It's

2516
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 2: easy to be around the wrong people where we're from,

2517
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,600
Speaker 2: so you can't really blame the person, especially if we

2518
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 2: have generations of generations of people who just don't know,

2519
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,440
Speaker 2: like we got generations will be we the first millionaires

2520
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 2: of our family, Like we got generations generations of people

2521
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 2: who don't know. Luckily we came through, so now we

2522
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 2: got some type of knowledge that we can put on

2523
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 2: a young generation because her mom might have not known that,

2524
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 2: her dad might have not known that, her brothers and

2525
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:49,560
Speaker 2: sister might have not known. Information to give out to

2526
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 2: you to understand what's really going on and giving you

2527
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 2: the Jews so you can kind of navigate through this life.

2528
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:00,759
Speaker 2: Because when life started lifing, shit, don't stop.

2529
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

2530
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 4: It's like I was one of the first people in

2531
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 4: my family ever have a house paid for it. Actually

2532
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 4: I was the first person had paid for them. Somebody's

2533
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 4: in the house. No one's had a house paid for

2534
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 4: My family sent me and I never had a credit

2535
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 4: card until four years ago, so nobody taught me financial literacy.

2536
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 4: My wife said, well, don't you. I said, if I

2537
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 4: ain't got no money, I ain't spending it. She was like,

2538
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 4: I was like, dude, I can spend it. But she said,

2539
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 4: but there's a process. You can go shout out to

2540
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 4: my wife, Jamie Anderson, love my baby.

2541
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2542
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 4: But just people like that teaching you how to how

2543
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 4: to be better, you know, I think that was the

2544
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 4: big things just were like said, were the first ones

2545
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:35,640
Speaker 4: doing it? How we know I would have spent all

2546
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 4: that money, all.

2547
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 2: Your cards, your head to understand and find out. But

2548
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 2: you gotta be willing to communicate, because man, a lot

2549
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 2: of shit be going on, and one of the hardest

2550
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 2: things for folks to do is communicate or or tell

2551
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 2: what's going on. Like That's why it feels like I

2552
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 2: be damn the preaching because I be wanting to say

2553
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 2: it because I grew up. Sometimes you grew up in

2554
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 2: the household, You eat dinner with your mother and your

2555
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 2: dad for eighteen years, and y'all ain't never had a

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01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 2: serious conversation about shit or even think about something that

2557
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 2: you can go on with life and use, or how

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01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 2: to pay a bill or anything. So I feel like

2559
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 2: communication is so vital that you got to say it

2560
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 2: at least you hear.

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01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 3: Man.

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01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 1: My pop said this like this look familiar.

2563
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 2: My Pop's mentioned this before, Like whether you bump your head,

2564
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 2: you know next time, don't bump your head again, because

2565
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 2: I feel like I done went through all the head

2566
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 2: bumping in the bruises for you too. Get it right

2567
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:34,560
Speaker 2: the next time and try to get you, try to

2568
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 2: make you have a better life and help you make

2569
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 2: better decisions.

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01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:41,479
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we need more, we need more leaders. It's gonna

2571
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 4: do the same thing you're doing. So salute bro appreciate you.

2572
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, So man, I'm happy for you. Man, you

2573
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 1: got a chance to do that.

2574
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 3: Man.

2575
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 2: I know, man, you had a lot of Christmases where

2576
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't nothing to get that man, knowing what you

2577
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 2: done went through because I didn't even know half of

2578
01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 2: this stuff.

2579
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 1: Like I got to read in the Reason.

2580
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, damn bro Da and be just

2581
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 2: knowing you and being around you and just how such

2582
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 2: I know you such a good dude.

2583
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 4: Man.

2584
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 2: You always carried yourself a certain way, man, always been

2585
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 2: a great teammate, always looked out man to see what

2586
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,439
Speaker 2: you have went through. Man, I'm proud and I salute you, bro, man,

2587
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 2: like I say anything you need from us or so

2588
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 2: for a phone. You know we always here even though

2589
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:26,639
Speaker 2: you know you you better to guard and better teammate

2590
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:27,680
Speaker 2: than Q was to me.

2591
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 1: So I uh, you know, I definitely got you.

2592
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 4: You know y'all hilarious. But y'all think y'all grew up

2593
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 4: together like simply it's done.

2594
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 3: It never ends, It never ends, it never ends.

2595
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, most people don't know my story. I'm like, man,

2596
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:46,840
Speaker 4: I'm a great crashot. Be like, man, you got man,

2597
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 4: my great crash shot. I got too much delivery, but

2598
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 4: I done went through too much millions of Christmas. I

2599
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 4: ain't getting nothing. I made up for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, gots to do it. Gots to do it. We're

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01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 3: gonna wrap it up right then. Man, Hey, this da

2602
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 3: deck Anderson. We appreciate you pulling love man, champion of

2603
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 3: the community, former NBA and college champ.

2604
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 4: Tap in da salute bro, my brother love y'all man, all.

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01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:17,400
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