WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 5/11: Better, worse or same for the Patriots offense, schedule release 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.200 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:08.680 Lazar and Alex bar. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:10.959 Lazar. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:15.840 Everybody nailed it has always bara. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:22.079 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars Now he did 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:26.880 also play no, No, I want you to take that 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:29.960 back right now. Don't get sult that's so insulting to 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.800 Malie Cunningham. He is another. Can we just Danny is 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:36.880 closer to me athletically. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:43.559 That can we just have a team where Malik Cunningham 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.199 is not gonna make or break the season? That's what 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.240 I think I said after after that, I think that's 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:50.000 what you said. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:51.879 Why does Mollie Cunningham have to be a thing? 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:52.159 Right? 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.000 Why does it have to matter? Okay, but but there's 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:55.360 the difference between do you. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.320 Think do you think the Eagles who are on the 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.120 TV behind me? So that's why I just thought of it. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:02.320 Did you think that Eagles are going into training camp 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.640 thinking about the UDFA quarterback that they might switch to 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.520 wide receiver who might switch to running back, and they're 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.119 going in there saying this guy could be it. This 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.760 could be the first that puts us over the Chiefs 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.279 next year. First of all, because they have DeVante Smith 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.360 and they have Jalen Hurts playing quarterback, so they they 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.240 have first world problems. This is we're better than this. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:24.440 First of all, we're better than this. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:30.080 First of all, the Eagles quarterback that they might switch 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.160 to whatever is a quarterback who might switch to tight end. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.000 He wasn't drafted, not this year, but he wasn't drafted. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.280 His name is Tyree Jackson, who at one point was 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:43.199 one of your favorite playoffs. So you would talk about Jackson. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.679 He was you buff Cam Newton, Yeah, like he was. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:46.640 He was that level. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.000 There's somewhere out there in the internet. I don't have 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.200 the picture anymore. Somewhere on Twitter. Something is a picture 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.440 of like six foot nine Tyree Jackson standing next to 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:57.360 five foot seven. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:58.960 And it's kind of like the people that have seen 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.480 like the Trent Brown Mike Reese photo. It's similar to. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.080 That, but it's better because you don't have the steps tool. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.560 The other thing is, I don't think anybody's sitting here 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.280 saying Malie Cunningham is gonna make or break this season. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.639 But he's a fun story. Yes he is. No, I'm 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.639 sorry it is. It is a fun story. He's a 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.000 very athletic guy, totally unknown how they're gonna use him. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.880 It's a little interesting. It's a lot, Evan, you know 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.400 this as well as anybody. Do you know what's interesting 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.720 out It's a long spring, it's a long training camp. 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.320 You can't just talk about the top ten players on 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.280 the roster. You gotta find those other stories. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.600 Okay, but do you know what's interesting? Keishan Butte is 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:41.000 interesting to Mario Douglas is interesting, Evan, there's Wily Cunningham 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.480 is not interesting. Thirty days of training camp. We're gonna 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.560 get another six spring practices, three preseason games. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.000 The indoor practice is gonna be the schedule tonight. There's 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.080 gonna be we know, well, no, this is the this 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.240 is the schedule leading up to that, there's gonna be 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:54.920 plenty of time. We got a lot of time to 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.480 talk about a lot of players. Nobody's saying we can't 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:58.360 talk about those guys. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.160 We're gonna talk about a lot of players to day. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.679 We're gonna preview kind of the reset, I think is 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.919 a better word. Reset, the offensive side of the ball 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.240 play a little better, worse or sam. This is an 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.160 idea that I think Mike Reese did it first, so 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:11.799 we're kind of taking it from Mike, but it's a 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.960 good idea we're going to do. We're gonna do offense 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.520 today and then next week we'll do defense because Alex 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.280 and I can get long winded and if we try 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:20.840 to do both sides of the ball, we'd be here 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.080 for three hours. So that's the goal is to do 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.800 offense this week, defense next week. We will touch a 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.760 little bit on some schedule stuff. We're in kind of 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.079 a we're in a little bit of a gray area here, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.200 Alex that we can talk about the things that have 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.240 already been announced, we can talk about some rumors, but 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.080 we're a little it's a little bit of a touchy subject. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.440 And well, look, the reality is, and we truly appreciate 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.880 everybody who watches the pod live or listens to it live, 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:45.880 and we thank you. But there's a lot of people who, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:47.760 you know, maybe we'll listen to it tonight or tomorrow. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.040 At that point we'll know the schedule. 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.240 So right, and it's not exactly it doesn't have a 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.240 very good shelf life to talk about schedule rumors. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.400 As long as the show is just one day a week, 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:57.839 we kind of want to make it as ever green 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.520 as possible and discussing schedule possibilit when the schedule will 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.680 come out tonight. You know, Kills Kills is still six hours. 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.080 So a couple of things about the schedule. First of all, 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:13.160 just for me personally, not being you have the whole thread. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.480 It's not this team, it's. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.120 Not that I call it schedule sudoku. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.559 That the fact that I don't need to worry about 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.000 that anymore because we just don't do that around here 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.839 is actually refreshing. I'm actually glad that I am not 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.600 sitting here refreshing my phone every thirty seconds. Thing, what 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.200 game do we get leaked this time? The second thing 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.760 is is and I really genuinely want to put this 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.040 out there for two reasons. One, I want to give 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:40.159 kudos to the people that worked on our schedule release. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.719 That's all I'm gonna say that worked on our schedule release, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.719 because I'm not gonna get in trouble of telling giving 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.599 any hints of what it is worked on our schedule release, 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.680 because I'll tell you this has been months in the 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.680 making and it took. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:54.279 A ton of work. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.640 You know a lot of the people that were involved. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.240 It's it's really going to be a cool thing. And 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.920 I think you fans are gonna love it. So I 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.360 want to give all those guys props that and gals 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.520 that worked on it, because it's really gonna be awesome stuff. 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.599 And the second, the last thing I'll say about the 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:14.040 schedule is we do know a couple of things that 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.240 we think we know right and one of them in 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:21.040 concretely is obviously cold patriots in Frankfurt in Germany. One 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.200 of the things that I'm gonna find fascinating. Though, just 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.400 as a general topic on the schedule. We talked a 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.039 little bit about this offline yesterday. OLEX. Last year was 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:34.279 my first year. I missed one game Miami. Remember I 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.600 had COVID, couldn't go to Miami, But they traveled for 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.680 the whole week to Miami, and we traveled the whole 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.520 week to Vegas in the preseason. Yeah, we traveled the 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.320 whole week for Miami. Then we traveled that week out 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.440 out west with Vegas. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.920 And Arizona, Arizona then Vegas. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.640 This year, we already know we have Germany, so that's 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:59.200 already gonna be time change, long flight, probably four or 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.400 five days out there. I would assume that's just a guess. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:08.720 I'm not saying anything. I do wonder based off of 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.680 how this schedule is structured. I'm really fascinated to see 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.640 if they maybe go back a little bit on all 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:21.960 of the let's call it extended travel, right, the extended 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.919 stays not. Look, you can't control who you play. We 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.760 know that the opponents. You can't control that. You gotta 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.400 go out to Vegas this year again. You gotta go 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.080 to Denver, gotta go to Dallas. You gotta make those 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.640 trips that that's what's on the schedule. By the point 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.560 I'm getting at from a competitive standpoint is, I'm not 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.560 one hundred percent sure that all of the extended travel 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:50.080 that we did last year truly benefited the team. And 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:51.440 I think you can go one way or in the 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.040 other with these things. I think sometimes those those West 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.800 Coast trips where we stayed out at in Arizona at 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.520 a great resort out there and in Tucson, I think 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.200 it was for the like that could be a team bonding. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.000 You could rally around it, everybody could really you know, 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.440 you could sing Kumbaya before bed every night, and all 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.400 of a sudden, you're you go on a run because 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.840 you you you did that. I think what the fourteen 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.320 team right, I think had that it was like Chargers 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.920 or something like that out out west, and they did that. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.400 There are some pockets of this schedule that are set 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.880 up that you could potentially get one of those trips again. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.320 We know the rumors that they could be doing quite 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.080 a bit of joint practices on the road during the summer, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.160 in the preseason in training camp. I'm interested to see 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.440 how they set up this schedule with those West Coast 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.840 games or the you know, the time zone change games. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.080 How much of that are we are we gonna be 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.040 staying out there for an extended period of time, both 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.240 selfishly because I want to know what my life's gonna 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.000 look like, but also from a team competitive standpoint, I 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.960 do wonder if they reverse course on that a little bit. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.920 I know that we've both heard in various ways Miami 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.960 the trip out west late in the year that it's 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.960 threw some people off. It did it threw some people off. 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.680 So I'm interested to see how that goes with this 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.360 schedule this year. Are there any like things in the 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.600 schedule that you look for in particular, though, Alex, like 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.960 I know the bye week obviously is a big one. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.080 Primetime games but is there one thing in terms of 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.520 trends or anything like that that you're you're kind of 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:19.120 honing in on. 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.040 So every year, the only thing I want from schedule release, 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.560 because we know the opponent's right, the one thing I 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.200 want above all else is week twelve by And I 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.640 know that's not like the ideal bye week. I Earnie 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.000 or Adams said in the schedule release last year it 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.680 was week ten. I think like that nine to twelve 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.520 range is probably the best. But yeah, it's Thanksgiving. Be 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:37.680 nice to have Thanksgiving off? 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:39.240 Also selfish? 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.280 Well, yeah, no, it is totally selfish. It is on 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.079 my bucket list to go to the Iron Bowl Alabama. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.199 This is what is like the only way I'll ever be. 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.839 Able to do for the Patriots in terms of the 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.160 competitive I look for. And you're just talking about how 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:54.520 you want to go to the Iron Ball. So you 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.000 hope that the bye week is the week of the 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:56.560 Iron Bowl? 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.360 No, just in terms of no, honestly, this is like 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.280 kind of the way I already know who they're playing 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.800 the stuff early look at. Yeah, obviously du bye week 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.400 and how many weeks are going to row? Are you 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:08.880 on the road? When do they go down to Miami, 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.839 but the stuff like specific to this year, more out 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.960 of the box stuff, because that's what's more fun. Anyway, 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.520 Jillette Stadium hosting Army Navy December ninth, which would be 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.960 week fourteen. I can't wait for that, so but like 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.160 say it seriously because it's I'm also a company man, 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.640 So I can't wait for that. You going, I don't 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:27.280 know if I have to go? 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:28.400 Do I have to go? You should go. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.040 It's incredible. I was there last. Everybody should go. It 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.800 is unbelievable. And I'm not a company man. I'm saying 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:35.160 it is unbelievable. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:37.440 You're kind of company. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:42.000 So anyway, that December ninth, Week fourteen. Yeah, in theory, 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.560 you could have back to back, like they could play 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.520 that game here Saturday and the Patriots could play Sunday. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.680 I don't think that would be there. They didn't Washington 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:49.440 a couple of years ago. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.839 But no bigger slap in the face to Bill Belichick 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.079 than putting the Patriots on the road the week of 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.199 So that's what I'm saying. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.720 There's no way we're on the road for that, or 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.240 is it like do they play Thursday night? 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:01.679 Right? 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.480 So he's just back and he can enjoy it, you 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:05.360 know something like that. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.840 I whatever the way the schedule is structured, Bill is 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:09.680 gonna be at that shit. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.080 So I think that means either home game Sunday or Monday, 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.720 or just a game Thursday Homer road right right, because 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.240 if they're on the road Thursday, he'll be back. They'd 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:16.520 be fine. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.320 Yeah, we come back right after the game. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.960 Some of the other intricacies. Do you know the stat 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.320 about the Niners from last year? No, the Niners teams 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.880 last year the week after facing the Niners were zero 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.760 to sixteen. The Chiefs won after they played the Niners, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.200 made a bye week in between. Okay, so no team 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.480 one after playing the Niners. Whatever you want to make 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.160 of that, you can make of it. But the Patriots 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.000 and Niners have five common opponents this year, the entire 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:44.800 NFC East and Pittsburgh, So obviously you know if they 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.880 play a team week one, that wouldn't count. But you know, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.200 see where those teams are in the schedule. Are they 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.720 the week after the Niners? And I thought I had 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.000 one other thing, but I guess that's it. It's gonna 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:56.400 be awesome. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.079 Man, I'm horrible, all right. So we'll keep an eye 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.439 on Twitter, as we always do. If there is an official, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.800 not a rumor not a leak, we're not going to 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.800 touch those. But if there is an official announcement of 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.440 any kind about a Patriot game, well we'll obviously break 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.800 in and talk about that. We're going to get to 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.079 the better worse for same. I'm gonna take this call 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.080 from Patty from Agawan first though, and then we can 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.439 clear the calls and and things like that, and then 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.640 we can we can get into better worse same. So 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.000 we don't have any any breakups in the in our 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.360 flow here. So Patty, what's going on? Man? How you doing? 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:29.440 What's going on? 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:30.560 Jan They. 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.160 So, I know Todd in North Carolina said at last week, 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.760 if you guys were going to do position by position breakdown, 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.280 and I guess if if you do, I'm just I'm 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.520 interested to hear how you guys would evaluate Mac and 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.080 Bailey in the quarterback position and like where you would 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.520 rank that in terms of position groups on the team. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:59.880 And if you feel like Max with Bill O'Brien, I mean, 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.640 he doesn't have the number one guy, that quote unquote 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.680 number one guy. Do you see him surpassing what he 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.040 did in this rookie year two. That's all I got, guys. 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.079 Thanks for the call, Patty. It's a good segue that 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.480 sets this up perfectly, because I was going to start 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.280 with the quarterbacks for better, worse, same, and I was 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.760 read I'm gonna read off everybody on the roster so 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.040 that everybody knows all the names. I think everybody knows 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.720 the names on this one. Mac Jones, Bailey Zappy, Trace 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.960 McSorley currently still under contract in the quarterback room, and 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.400 I do have Malie cunning him with the quarterback. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.200 Until we see him run around. I think he's a quarterback, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.320 so we'll find out. And that's another thing, kind of 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.800 housekeeping thing. In a couple of weeks, we will be 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.600 out at Ota, so if he's with the receivers at 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.079 that point, then I will obviously move him from the 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.800 quarterback room to the wide receiver room. But right for 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.200 right now, I'm Elie cutting him there, Alex, Are the 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.719 Patriots better or worse or the same at quarterback? I 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.120 think it's kind of hard to say that. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.440 They're better or worse when it's it's basically the same 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.520 two guys, right it's Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy. I 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.360 mentioned Bill O'Brien and kind of getting back to twenty 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.000 twenty one or maybe even better for mac Jones. So 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.400 I guess you could make that argument that just by 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.280 nature of Bill O'Brien being here, that the performance or 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.800 the play of the quarterback room should be better. But 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.960 the names of the names, like the players themselves, are 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.840 the same for the most part. But I'm willing to 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.480 say better because of Bill O'Brien, So maybe that's a 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:25.319 little bit of a cop out. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.040 So I mean, yeah, I wasn't thinking about it in 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:28.839 that sense. I was thinking about just the players. I 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.560 think the quarterback play will be better with yello'brien. If 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.600 I had to just evaluate the room, I'd actually say 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.960 a little worse because they lose that veteran presence of 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:36.560 Brian Hoyer. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.800 Yeah, I agree here, what you're soa They ask me, 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.000 how much does that matter? I'm gonna I don't know 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.160 how much it mattered to them, because Brian Hoyer to 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.480 should have mattered. Brian Hoyer to me feels like somebody 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.680 that they kind of viewed as someone that was asking 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:55.600 too many questions. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:57.320 Who's them? 0:13:58.559 --> 0:13:59.640 What do you mean? Who's them? 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.760 I think the other quarterbacks appreciated having him there. Let 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:03.400 me put it that way. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.000 I don't disagree with that, Okay, I don't know. I 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.679 think some of the pushback on the offensive coaching staff, 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.400 which we are both on the record saying very warranty, yeah, okay, 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.680 but I think some of the pushback on the offensive 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.120 coaching staff last year came from certain guys that are 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:18.800 no longer here. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.880 That's fair, But yeah, I don't wouldn't necessarily say it 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.520 was the right move to get rid of those guys. 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:26.080 Okay, that's fair. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.840 Having Brian Hoyer in that room, a veteran quarterback who's 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.240 seen a lot of football, I think brought inherent value. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.280 How much value you can say, it's not a lot. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.360 That's fine. But and again i'm parsing here, like really 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:37.200 splitting here is here? 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:37.480 Yeah? 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.520 Right? Like if I have to pick one, you know how, 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.120 I also try to do the outside of the box Amsons. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.000 I'm actually trying to stick to the exercise this time. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.280 If I have to say better or worse, I think 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.000 it's worse because I think, even if it was very minimal, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.080 there was value in having Brian Horror's experience in that room. 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.240 They don't have it anymore. That's pretty much Yet. I 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.480 like what McSorley, and we'll see with Cunningham bring his 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.760 potential scout team guys. But you can you know they 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.440 had corners playing scout team quarterback to get that athletic 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.560 guy in there, right. I think Brian Hoyer's knowledge and 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:10.640 experience is valuable. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.880 That's fair. That's fair. I didn't really think of it 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:17.360 that way, because again, I don't think the the ambiguous day. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.240 I don't necessarily think they think of it that way 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.200 based off of last So I'm just thinking why because 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.720 they it cost them money to. 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:31.560 Not to be here, But I don't think it was 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:32.040 the right move. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:32.480 That's fair. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.520 And I'll say I I am and you you so 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.640 your factor getting a lot of the coaches, Bill O'Brien. 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.400 I am just looking at the four guys in the 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.840 room or however at whatever position. I'm just looking coction 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.760 of right. You know, when when you know they go 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.200 into that meeting, not who's at the front of the 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.040 room leading it, who's sitting in the chairs. Yeah, and 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:55.120 that is you went from Mac Jones, Bailey, Zappy, Brian Hoyer, 0:15:55.160 --> 0:16:01.160 Garrett Gilbert to Mac Jones, Bailey, Zappy, Trace McSorley, Malie Cunningham. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.400 Those are un comparing A to B. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.080 That's it, okay, So so we don't get too caught 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.560 up in the in the minutia here and as we 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.800 tend to do. I guess the other question with the 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:17.000 quarterbacks before we move on is do you feel as 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.080 though we will get out to training camp in August 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:25.600 and it will look anything like a competition. Like remember 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.280 in twenty one we were both here covering the team. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.840 Mac Jones and Cam Newton were clearly in a competition, 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:38.320 and I would actually say that they they tried their 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.440 best to make it look like Cam was QB one 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.400 and it wasn't really a competition. But what would happen 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.080 just so that when we get into this people will 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.760 remember us kind of breaking this down, Cam would get 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:52.200 that first drive. So whenever Cam, whenever they broke into team, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.480 like whenever it got into eleven on elevens or even 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.800 seven on seven, we all had to say that Cam 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.480 Newton was the first quarterback in the huddle, right. But 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.640 Cam would lead a single drive, He'd run like four 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.359 or five plays, and then Mac Jones would run the 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.280 next twenty five or whatever the number it ended up 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.480 being and you'd get to the end of the day 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:17.840 and Cam would have attempted twelve passes in practice and 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:22.520 mac Jones would have attempted thirty in practice. And that 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:24.800 was our first in a lot of people's first taste 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.200 because Brady was here and there was no quarterback competition. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.359 In the summer. But the most we did it with 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:34.440 backup quarterback, right, Remember was it Stidham and nineteen. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.359 Yeah, and I was I was here for the COVID 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.919 year in twenty with with Cam and Dam but that 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.919 was but that was also just neither one of them 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.919 were great. It was kind of just picking at straws. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.280 So what do you think that this would resemb because 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.160 now I think we know a little bit. Okay, if 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.119 Bailey is reps wise, if they're about even and a 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.399 he's throwing with some regulars, you know, if he's breaking 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.480 the huddle and it's Taekwon Thorton going one direction and 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.679 Kendrick Bourne going like right, you kind of have an 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.560 idea of all, right, you know this is sort of 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.560 a competition. Do you feel like that's gonna happen this 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.000 summer or do you feel like they're gonna commit to 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:17.639 Mac and we're gonna go down that. 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.359 Right, I think they're gonna go back and forth, and 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.159 you just hit on it. It's not necessarily about the 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.160 number of reps. Yeah, And it was easier to explain 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:29.840