Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar.
Speaker 2: Lazar.
Speaker 3: Everybody nailed it has always bara.
Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars Now he did
Speaker 1: also play no, No, I want you to take that
Speaker 1: back right now. Don't get sult that's so insulting to
Speaker 1: Malie Cunningham. He is another. Can we just Danny is
Speaker 1: closer to me athletically.
Speaker 3: That can we just have a team where Malik Cunningham
Speaker 3: is not gonna make or break the season? That's what
Speaker 3: I think I said after after that, I think that's
Speaker 3: what you said.
Speaker 1: Why does Mollie Cunningham have to be a thing?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Why does it have to matter? Okay, but but there's
Speaker 1: the difference between do you.
Speaker 3: Think do you think the Eagles who are on the
Speaker 3: TV behind me? So that's why I just thought of it.
Speaker 3: Did you think that Eagles are going into training camp
Speaker 3: thinking about the UDFA quarterback that they might switch to
Speaker 3: wide receiver who might switch to running back, and they're
Speaker 3: going in there saying this guy could be it. This
Speaker 3: could be the first that puts us over the Chiefs
Speaker 3: next year. First of all, because they have DeVante Smith
Speaker 3: and they have Jalen Hurts playing quarterback, so they they
Speaker 3: have first world problems. This is we're better than this.
Speaker 3: First of all, we're better than this.
Speaker 1: First of all, the Eagles quarterback that they might switch
Speaker 1: to whatever is a quarterback who might switch to tight end.
Speaker 1: He wasn't drafted, not this year, but he wasn't drafted.
Speaker 1: His name is Tyree Jackson, who at one point was
Speaker 1: one of your favorite playoffs. So you would talk about Jackson.
Speaker 3: He was you buff Cam Newton, Yeah, like he was.
Speaker 3: He was that level.
Speaker 1: There's somewhere out there in the internet. I don't have
Speaker 1: the picture anymore. Somewhere on Twitter. Something is a picture
Speaker 1: of like six foot nine Tyree Jackson standing next to
Speaker 1: five foot seven.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like the people that have seen
Speaker 3: like the Trent Brown Mike Reese photo. It's similar to.
Speaker 1: That, but it's better because you don't have the steps tool.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, I don't think anybody's sitting here
Speaker 1: saying Malie Cunningham is gonna make or break this season.
Speaker 1: But he's a fun story. Yes he is. No, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry it is. It is a fun story. He's a
Speaker 1: very athletic guy, totally unknown how they're gonna use him.
Speaker 1: It's a little interesting. It's a lot, Evan, you know
Speaker 1: this as well as anybody. Do you know what's interesting
Speaker 1: out It's a long spring, it's a long training camp.
Speaker 1: You can't just talk about the top ten players on
Speaker 1: the roster. You gotta find those other stories.
Speaker 3: Okay, but do you know what's interesting? Keishan Butte is
Speaker 3: interesting to Mario Douglas is interesting, Evan, there's Wily Cunningham
Speaker 3: is not interesting. Thirty days of training camp. We're gonna
Speaker 3: get another six spring practices, three preseason games.
Speaker 1: The indoor practice is gonna be the schedule tonight. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be we know, well, no, this is the this
Speaker 1: is the schedule leading up to that, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: plenty of time. We got a lot of time to
Speaker 1: talk about a lot of players. Nobody's saying we can't
Speaker 1: talk about those guys.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about a lot of players to day.
Speaker 3: We're gonna preview kind of the reset, I think is
Speaker 3: a better word. Reset, the offensive side of the ball
Speaker 3: play a little better, worse or sam. This is an
Speaker 3: idea that I think Mike Reese did it first, so
Speaker 3: we're kind of taking it from Mike, but it's a
Speaker 3: good idea we're going to do. We're gonna do offense
Speaker 3: today and then next week we'll do defense because Alex
Speaker 3: and I can get long winded and if we try
Speaker 3: to do both sides of the ball, we'd be here
Speaker 3: for three hours. So that's the goal is to do
Speaker 3: offense this week, defense next week. We will touch a
Speaker 3: little bit on some schedule stuff. We're in kind of
Speaker 3: a we're in a little bit of a gray area here,
Speaker 3: Alex that we can talk about the things that have
Speaker 3: already been announced, we can talk about some rumors, but
Speaker 3: we're a little it's a little bit of a touchy subject.
Speaker 1: And well, look, the reality is, and we truly appreciate
Speaker 1: everybody who watches the pod live or listens to it live,
Speaker 1: and we thank you. But there's a lot of people who,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we'll listen to it tonight or tomorrow.
Speaker 1: At that point we'll know the schedule.
Speaker 3: So right, and it's not exactly it doesn't have a
Speaker 3: very good shelf life to talk about schedule rumors.
Speaker 1: As long as the show is just one day a week,
Speaker 1: we kind of want to make it as ever green
Speaker 1: as possible and discussing schedule possibilit when the schedule will
Speaker 1: come out tonight. You know, Kills Kills is still six hours.
Speaker 3: So a couple of things about the schedule. First of all,
Speaker 3: just for me personally, not being you have the whole thread.
Speaker 3: It's not this team, it's.
Speaker 1: Not that I call it schedule sudoku.
Speaker 3: That the fact that I don't need to worry about
Speaker 3: that anymore because we just don't do that around here
Speaker 3: is actually refreshing. I'm actually glad that I am not
Speaker 3: sitting here refreshing my phone every thirty seconds. Thing, what
Speaker 3: game do we get leaked this time? The second thing
Speaker 3: is is and I really genuinely want to put this
Speaker 3: out there for two reasons. One, I want to give
Speaker 3: kudos to the people that worked on our schedule release.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonna say that worked on our schedule release,
Speaker 3: because I'm not gonna get in trouble of telling giving
Speaker 3: any hints of what it is worked on our schedule release,
Speaker 3: because I'll tell you this has been months in the
Speaker 3: making and it took.
Speaker 1: A ton of work.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of the people that were involved.
Speaker 3: It's it's really going to be a cool thing. And
Speaker 3: I think you fans are gonna love it. So I
Speaker 3: want to give all those guys props that and gals
Speaker 3: that worked on it, because it's really gonna be awesome stuff.
Speaker 3: And the second, the last thing I'll say about the
Speaker 3: schedule is we do know a couple of things that
Speaker 3: we think we know right and one of them in
Speaker 3: concretely is obviously cold patriots in Frankfurt in Germany. One
Speaker 3: of the things that I'm gonna find fascinating. Though, just
Speaker 3: as a general topic on the schedule. We talked a
Speaker 3: little bit about this offline yesterday. OLEX. Last year was
Speaker 3: my first year. I missed one game Miami. Remember I
Speaker 3: had COVID, couldn't go to Miami, But they traveled for
Speaker 3: the whole week to Miami, and we traveled the whole
Speaker 3: week to Vegas in the preseason. Yeah, we traveled the
Speaker 3: whole week for Miami. Then we traveled that week out
Speaker 3: out west with Vegas.
Speaker 1: And Arizona, Arizona then Vegas.
Speaker 3: This year, we already know we have Germany, so that's
Speaker 3: already gonna be time change, long flight, probably four or
Speaker 3: five days out there. I would assume that's just a guess.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying anything. I do wonder based off of
Speaker 3: how this schedule is structured. I'm really fascinated to see
Speaker 3: if they maybe go back a little bit on all
Speaker 3: of the let's call it extended travel, right, the extended
Speaker 3: stays not. Look, you can't control who you play. We
Speaker 3: know that the opponents. You can't control that. You gotta
Speaker 3: go out to Vegas this year again. You gotta go
Speaker 3: to Denver, gotta go to Dallas. You gotta make those
Speaker 3: trips that that's what's on the schedule. By the point
Speaker 3: I'm getting at from a competitive standpoint is, I'm not
Speaker 3: one hundred percent sure that all of the extended travel
Speaker 3: that we did last year truly benefited the team. And
Speaker 3: I think you can go one way or in the
Speaker 3: other with these things. I think sometimes those those West
Speaker 3: Coast trips where we stayed out at in Arizona at
Speaker 3: a great resort out there and in Tucson, I think
Speaker 3: it was for the like that could be a team bonding.
Speaker 3: You could rally around it, everybody could really you know,
Speaker 3: you could sing Kumbaya before bed every night, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're you go on a run because
Speaker 3: you you you did that. I think what the fourteen
Speaker 3: team right, I think had that it was like Chargers
Speaker 3: or something like that out out west, and they did that.
Speaker 3: There are some pockets of this schedule that are set
Speaker 3: up that you could potentially get one of those trips again.
Speaker 3: We know the rumors that they could be doing quite
Speaker 3: a bit of joint practices on the road during the summer,
Speaker 3: in the preseason in training camp. I'm interested to see
Speaker 3: how they set up this schedule with those West Coast
Speaker 3: games or the you know, the time zone change games.
Speaker 3: How much of that are we are we gonna be
Speaker 3: staying out there for an extended period of time, both
Speaker 3: selfishly because I want to know what my life's gonna
Speaker 3: look like, but also from a team competitive standpoint, I
Speaker 3: do wonder if they reverse course on that a little bit.
Speaker 3: I know that we've both heard in various ways Miami
Speaker 3: the trip out west late in the year that it's
Speaker 3: threw some people off. It did it threw some people off.
Speaker 3: So I'm interested to see how that goes with this
Speaker 3: schedule this year. Are there any like things in the
Speaker 3: schedule that you look for in particular, though, Alex, like
Speaker 3: I know the bye week obviously is a big one.
Speaker 3: Primetime games but is there one thing in terms of
Speaker 3: trends or anything like that that you're you're kind of
Speaker 3: honing in on.
Speaker 1: So every year, the only thing I want from schedule release,
Speaker 1: because we know the opponent's right, the one thing I
Speaker 1: want above all else is week twelve by And I
Speaker 1: know that's not like the ideal bye week. I Earnie
Speaker 1: or Adams said in the schedule release last year it
Speaker 1: was week ten. I think like that nine to twelve
Speaker 1: range is probably the best. But yeah, it's Thanksgiving. Be
Speaker 1: nice to have Thanksgiving off?
Speaker 3: Also selfish?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, it is totally selfish. It is on
Speaker 1: my bucket list to go to the Iron Bowl Alabama.
Speaker 1: This is what is like the only way I'll ever be.
Speaker 3: Able to do for the Patriots in terms of the
Speaker 3: competitive I look for. And you're just talking about how
Speaker 3: you want to go to the Iron Ball. So you
Speaker 3: hope that the bye week is the week of the
Speaker 3: Iron Bowl?
Speaker 1: No, just in terms of no, honestly, this is like
Speaker 1: kind of the way I already know who they're playing
Speaker 1: the stuff early look at. Yeah, obviously du bye week
Speaker 1: and how many weeks are going to row? Are you
Speaker 1: on the road? When do they go down to Miami,
Speaker 1: but the stuff like specific to this year, more out
Speaker 1: of the box stuff, because that's what's more fun. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Jillette Stadium hosting Army Navy December ninth, which would be
Speaker 1: week fourteen. I can't wait for that, so but like
Speaker 1: say it seriously because it's I'm also a company man,
Speaker 1: So I can't wait for that. You going, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I have to go?
Speaker 3: Do I have to go? You should go.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. I was there last. Everybody should go. It
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. And I'm not a company man. I'm saying
Speaker 1: it is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: You're kind of company.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that December ninth, Week fourteen. Yeah, in theory,
Speaker 1: you could have back to back, like they could play
Speaker 1: that game here Saturday and the Patriots could play Sunday.
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be there. They didn't Washington
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: But no bigger slap in the face to Bill Belichick
Speaker 3: than putting the Patriots on the road the week of
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There's no way we're on the road for that, or
Speaker 1: is it like do they play Thursday night?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: So he's just back and he can enjoy it, you
Speaker 1: know something like that.
Speaker 3: I whatever the way the schedule is structured, Bill is
Speaker 3: gonna be at that shit.
Speaker 1: So I think that means either home game Sunday or Monday,
Speaker 1: or just a game Thursday Homer road right right, because
Speaker 1: if they're on the road Thursday, he'll be back. They'd
Speaker 1: be fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we come back right after the game.
Speaker 1: Some of the other intricacies. Do you know the stat
Speaker 1: about the Niners from last year? No, the Niners teams
Speaker 1: last year the week after facing the Niners were zero
Speaker 1: to sixteen. The Chiefs won after they played the Niners,
Speaker 1: made a bye week in between. Okay, so no team
Speaker 1: one after playing the Niners. Whatever you want to make
Speaker 1: of that, you can make of it. But the Patriots
Speaker 1: and Niners have five common opponents this year, the entire
Speaker 1: NFC East and Pittsburgh, So obviously you know if they
Speaker 1: play a team week one, that wouldn't count. But you know,
Speaker 1: see where those teams are in the schedule. Are they
Speaker 1: the week after the Niners? And I thought I had
Speaker 1: one other thing, but I guess that's it. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be awesome.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm horrible, all right. So we'll keep an eye
Speaker 3: on Twitter, as we always do. If there is an official,
Speaker 3: not a rumor not a leak, we're not going to
Speaker 3: touch those. But if there is an official announcement of
Speaker 3: any kind about a Patriot game, well we'll obviously break
Speaker 3: in and talk about that. We're going to get to
Speaker 3: the better worse for same. I'm gonna take this call
Speaker 3: from Patty from Agawan first though, and then we can
Speaker 3: clear the calls and and things like that, and then
Speaker 3: we can we can get into better worse same. So
Speaker 3: we don't have any any breakups in the in our
Speaker 3: flow here. So Patty, what's going on? Man? How you doing?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 4: Jan They.
Speaker 2: So, I know Todd in North Carolina said at last week,
Speaker 2: if you guys were going to do position by position breakdown,
Speaker 2: and I guess if if you do, I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: interested to hear how you guys would evaluate Mac and
Speaker 2: Bailey in the quarterback position and like where you would
Speaker 2: rank that in terms of position groups on the team.
Speaker 2: And if you feel like Max with Bill O'Brien, I mean,
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the number one guy, that quote unquote
Speaker 2: number one guy. Do you see him surpassing what he
Speaker 2: did in this rookie year two. That's all I got, guys.
Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, Patty. It's a good segue that
Speaker 3: sets this up perfectly, because I was going to start
Speaker 3: with the quarterbacks for better, worse, same, and I was
Speaker 3: read I'm gonna read off everybody on the roster so
Speaker 3: that everybody knows all the names. I think everybody knows
Speaker 3: the names on this one. Mac Jones, Bailey Zappy, Trace
Speaker 3: McSorley currently still under contract in the quarterback room, and
Speaker 3: I do have Malie cunning him with the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Until we see him run around. I think he's a quarterback,
Speaker 1: so we'll find out. And that's another thing, kind of
Speaker 1: housekeeping thing. In a couple of weeks, we will be
Speaker 1: out at Ota, so if he's with the receivers at
Speaker 1: that point, then I will obviously move him from the
Speaker 1: quarterback room to the wide receiver room. But right for
Speaker 1: right now, I'm Elie cutting him there, Alex, Are the
Speaker 1: Patriots better or worse or the same at quarterback? I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of hard to say that.
Speaker 3: They're better or worse when it's it's basically the same
Speaker 3: two guys, right it's Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy. I
Speaker 3: mentioned Bill O'Brien and kind of getting back to twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one or maybe even better for mac Jones. So
Speaker 3: I guess you could make that argument that just by
Speaker 3: nature of Bill O'Brien being here, that the performance or
Speaker 3: the play of the quarterback room should be better. But
Speaker 3: the names of the names, like the players themselves, are
Speaker 3: the same for the most part. But I'm willing to
Speaker 3: say better because of Bill O'Brien, So maybe that's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a cop out.
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I wasn't thinking about it in
Speaker 1: that sense. I was thinking about just the players. I
Speaker 1: think the quarterback play will be better with yello'brien. If
Speaker 1: I had to just evaluate the room, I'd actually say
Speaker 1: a little worse because they lose that veteran presence of
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree here, what you're soa They ask me,
Speaker 3: how much does that matter? I'm gonna I don't know
Speaker 3: how much it mattered to them, because Brian Hoyer to
Speaker 3: should have mattered. Brian Hoyer to me feels like somebody
Speaker 3: that they kind of viewed as someone that was asking
Speaker 3: too many questions.
Speaker 1: Who's them?
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Who's them?
Speaker 1: I think the other quarterbacks appreciated having him there. Let
Speaker 1: me put it that way.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that, Okay, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: think some of the pushback on the offensive coaching staff,
Speaker 3: which we are both on the record saying very warranty, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: but I think some of the pushback on the offensive
Speaker 3: coaching staff last year came from certain guys that are
Speaker 3: no longer here.
Speaker 1: That's fair, But yeah, I don't wouldn't necessarily say it
Speaker 1: was the right move to get rid of those guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Having Brian Hoyer in that room, a veteran quarterback who's
Speaker 1: seen a lot of football, I think brought inherent value.
Speaker 1: How much value you can say, it's not a lot.
Speaker 1: That's fine. But and again i'm parsing here, like really
Speaker 1: splitting here is here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right? Like if I have to pick one, you know how,
Speaker 1: I also try to do the outside of the box Amsons.
Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to stick to the exercise this time.
Speaker 1: If I have to say better or worse, I think
Speaker 1: it's worse because I think, even if it was very minimal,
Speaker 1: there was value in having Brian Horror's experience in that room.
Speaker 1: They don't have it anymore. That's pretty much Yet. I
Speaker 1: like what McSorley, and we'll see with Cunningham bring his
Speaker 1: potential scout team guys. But you can you know they
Speaker 1: had corners playing scout team quarterback to get that athletic
Speaker 1: guy in there, right. I think Brian Hoyer's knowledge and
Speaker 1: experience is valuable.
Speaker 3: That's fair. That's fair. I didn't really think of it
Speaker 3: that way, because again, I don't think the the ambiguous day.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think they think of it that way
Speaker 3: based off of last So I'm just thinking why because
Speaker 3: they it cost them money to.
Speaker 1: Not to be here, But I don't think it was
Speaker 1: the right move.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 1: And I'll say I I am and you you so
Speaker 1: your factor getting a lot of the coaches, Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 1: I am just looking at the four guys in the
Speaker 1: room or however at whatever position. I'm just looking coction
Speaker 1: of right. You know, when when you know they go
Speaker 1: into that meeting, not who's at the front of the
Speaker 1: room leading it, who's sitting in the chairs. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that is you went from Mac Jones, Bailey, Zappy, Brian Hoyer,
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert to Mac Jones, Bailey, Zappy, Trace McSorley, Malie Cunningham.
Speaker 1: Those are un comparing A to B.
Speaker 3: That's it, okay, So so we don't get too caught
Speaker 3: up in the in the minutia here and as we
Speaker 3: tend to do. I guess the other question with the
Speaker 3: quarterbacks before we move on is do you feel as
Speaker 3: though we will get out to training camp in August
Speaker 3: and it will look anything like a competition. Like remember
Speaker 3: in twenty one we were both here covering the team.
Speaker 3: Mac Jones and Cam Newton were clearly in a competition,
Speaker 3: and I would actually say that they they tried their
Speaker 3: best to make it look like Cam was QB one
Speaker 3: and it wasn't really a competition. But what would happen
Speaker 3: just so that when we get into this people will
Speaker 3: remember us kind of breaking this down, Cam would get
Speaker 3: that first drive. So whenever Cam, whenever they broke into team,
Speaker 3: like whenever it got into eleven on elevens or even
Speaker 3: seven on seven, we all had to say that Cam
Speaker 3: Newton was the first quarterback in the huddle, right. But
Speaker 3: Cam would lead a single drive, He'd run like four
Speaker 3: or five plays, and then Mac Jones would run the
Speaker 3: next twenty five or whatever the number it ended up
Speaker 3: being and you'd get to the end of the day
Speaker 3: and Cam would have attempted twelve passes in practice and
Speaker 3: mac Jones would have attempted thirty in practice. And that
Speaker 3: was our first in a lot of people's first taste
Speaker 3: because Brady was here and there was no quarterback competition.
Speaker 1: In the summer. But the most we did it with
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, right, Remember was it Stidham and nineteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was I was here for the COVID
Speaker 3: year in twenty with with Cam and Dam but that
Speaker 3: was but that was also just neither one of them
Speaker 3: were great. It was kind of just picking at straws.
Speaker 3: So what do you think that this would resemb because
Speaker 3: now I think we know a little bit. Okay, if
Speaker 3: Bailey is reps wise, if they're about even and a
Speaker 3: he's throwing with some regulars, you know, if he's breaking
Speaker 3: the huddle and it's Taekwon Thorton going one direction and
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne going like right, you kind of have an
Speaker 3: idea of all, right, you know this is sort of
Speaker 3: a competition. Do you feel like that's gonna happen this
Speaker 3: summer or do you feel like they're gonna commit to
Speaker 3: Mac and we're gonna go down that.
Speaker 1: Right, I think they're gonna go back and forth, and
Speaker 1: you just hit on it. It's not necessarily about the
Speaker 1: number of reps. Yeah, And it was easier to explain
Speaker 1: away in twenty twenty one because oh, Mack's a rookie,
Speaker 1: he needs the reps. Cam's been here, right, and if
Speaker 1: you looked at.
Speaker 3: That's how they got us though.
Speaker 1: Well, but even though Mack was running more reps, he
Speaker 1: was running mostly with the second team, so's yeah, he
Speaker 1: threw twice as many passes, but he was out there
Speaker 1: with the second offense right right. None of the starter
Speaker 1: or all the starters had half as many reps as
Speaker 1: the backups. Yeah, so like it's it. Maybe from a
Speaker 1: bird's eyeview, it looked like a competition, but it sort
Speaker 1: of clearly wasn't until that practice against the Giants when
Speaker 1: Cam missed it, Mac tore him up.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little less clear this year because you
Speaker 1: can't necessarily come in and say, well, Bailey needs the
Speaker 1: reps right right, about the same experience. So it's gonna
Speaker 1: be harder for them to hide whether or not it's competition,
Speaker 1: because the other thing is, you know, it's gonna come
Speaker 1: down to who's working with who, Right, If mac Jones
Speaker 1: runs ten reps and Bailey's Appy runs twenty reps, but
Speaker 1: mac Jones is throwing to Devonte Parker and Juju Smith Schuster,
Speaker 1: and Bailey's Appy's throwing to you know, Trey Nixon, right, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: he ran twice as many reps, but he's throwing guys
Speaker 1: aren't gonna make the team, yeah, Right, So it's it's
Speaker 1: always it's gonna be about who they're throwing to, not
Speaker 1: necessarily the number one.
Speaker 3: And I would also say a dead giveaway for people
Speaker 3: that come out to training camp, and hopefully there will
Speaker 3: be plenty of those opportunities this summer. The offensive line,
Speaker 3: because it's starting five, is the starting five, right, And
Speaker 3: and I know that we're not necessarily supposed to report
Speaker 3: these things specifically, but like, who's David Andrews snapping the
Speaker 3: ball to?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if David Andrews ain't snapping the ball to Bailey's Appy,
Speaker 1: they both getting steps from guys named Andrews.
Speaker 3: If it's Jake Andrews or it's co Russiers James Farrence,
Speaker 3: and David Andrews is attached to Mac Jones as himp
Speaker 3: as the only center that snapping the ball to Mac
Speaker 3: Jones all summer long, then we know who's QB one,
Speaker 3: right like that, those are the types of things that
Speaker 3: we look for as well. I actually come on the
Speaker 3: other side of this. I think that this is gonna
Speaker 3: be and this is just gut. I have no inside information,
Speaker 3: but I think that this is gonna be a commitment
Speaker 3: to Mac Jones at least to start the season. And
Speaker 3: I think the only way that you can properly do that.
Speaker 3: And I say that because, let's face it, we both
Speaker 3: talked about this enough, but they did not properly handle
Speaker 3: the position last year, right. The only way that you
Speaker 3: can properly commit to Mac Jones in the summer and
Speaker 3: really try to hit the ground running and basically act
Speaker 3: like last year didn't happen and just kind of make
Speaker 3: it feel as much as you can, like you're picking
Speaker 3: up from the end of twenty twenty one and you're
Speaker 3: going into you know, a fake year. You're two, but
Speaker 3: year three is to really just go down that road
Speaker 3: and not make it as any sort of question. Now,
Speaker 3: I think that that's how it's gonna start. If Mac
Speaker 3: Jones gets into the regular season and struggles, then I
Speaker 3: think that that will open the door for Bailey Zappy.
Speaker 3: But I think it's mac Jones's job to lose. I
Speaker 3: think it's his job to lose for the time being.
Speaker 3: I think year three of Mac Jones with Bill O'Brien
Speaker 3: here is a big year for the organization to figure
Speaker 3: out what they have in mac Jones. So I don't
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a truly full scale competition
Speaker 3: of any sort in training camp, and I think that
Speaker 3: they're committed to Mac. I think that Bill Belichick tried
Speaker 3: to when Greg Bdard asked him during the draft, it
Speaker 3: was it bouquets of flowers, throw it at mac Jones
Speaker 3: and no, not necessarily, but I do think that he
Speaker 3: tried to say some things to kind of squash a
Speaker 3: little bit of that, you know. And I think that
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a real quick, clear message once you
Speaker 3: get out to camp. And the last thing I'll say
Speaker 3: about the quarterbacks, and you can weigh in on this too,
Speaker 3: but I feel really strongly about this. Isn't that what
Speaker 3: you want? Like as a Patriots fan, isn't what you
Speaker 3: want is for us to get out there, even in
Speaker 3: the spring, even in a couple of weeks and see
Speaker 3: Mac Jones like commanding things like Mac Jones being a leader,
Speaker 3: Mac Jones having that swagger back, having that remember even
Speaker 3: before I know everybody and I myself include sometimes falls
Speaker 3: into this, Travis saying Mac wasn't on board with what
Speaker 3: was going on last year from the jump in the
Speaker 3: spring he was. He was kind of bouncing around. Remember
Speaker 3: he's making some good downfield throws, obviously without pads and
Speaker 3: a live pass rush. And then we all learned as
Speaker 3: soon as the pads came on in August that kind
Speaker 3: of went out the door. But isn't that what you want?
Speaker 3: Don't you want Mac to take the QB one job
Speaker 3: by the reins and the bowl by the horns, whatever
Speaker 3: you know, cliche you want to use and not have
Speaker 3: question marks about that position. I feel like that's a
Speaker 3: big thing for me. Is like a lot of people,
Speaker 3: I think just love the drama, and I get that
Speaker 3: we're in that business right of the drama feeds the beast.
Speaker 3: But isn't it better as a Patriot fan than Mac
Speaker 3: Jones actually works out and has a good year and
Speaker 3: like is the man from the jump and there's no
Speaker 3: questions and we're not in August talking about quarter because
Speaker 3: if we're in August talking about quarterback competitions, and this
Speaker 3: is my whole take on this, Right, they don't have
Speaker 3: a quarterback. Right, Guess what, they don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 3: It's not Bailey Zappy, it's they don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 3: So I hope that Mac Jones proves that they do
Speaker 3: have a quarterback. That's that's what I'm optimistic about.
Speaker 1: It's the easiest path forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hope that's the case. So that's your quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: You think it's gonna be a little bit of competition
Speaker 3: though you think that door is is old.
Speaker 1: I think they want it to be. I think Mac
Speaker 1: can win it, but I think they want it to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think we've gone through this whole summer and they're
Speaker 1: gonna come out and Max's gonna be the young question
Speaker 1: starter or sorry, this whole winter of.
Speaker 3: I like to think that cooler heads will prevail. Maybe
Speaker 3: that's just the optimist in me, but I like to
Speaker 3: think that cooler heads are gonna prevail. And what you
Speaker 3: just mentioned, it's the cleanest path, it's the cleanest path forward.
Speaker 3: And I think last year and I hope that they
Speaker 3: would agree. Last year, the Bailey Zappi, the Zappi fever.
Speaker 3: Let's face it, Zappi fever did nobody any favors. It
Speaker 3: did nobody any favors. It didn't make the team better,
Speaker 3: It didn't make Mac Jones better, It didn't make any
Speaker 3: of it better. It caused drama, and quite frankly more
Speaker 3: importantly internally, it caused friction. Right, So that did nobody
Speaker 3: any good. So going and setting up that again, and
Speaker 3: I think that was what was so bonkers about the
Speaker 3: situation last year. We always go back to the Chicago game.
Speaker 3: They set it up like they did it to themselves
Speaker 3: to an extent to create all the noise about the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: So avoiding that this year by you know, coming out
Speaker 3: in camp and kind of putting the weight behind Mac Jones,
Speaker 3: I think is important. All right, let's move on to
Speaker 3: the running backs. And if you want to weigh in,
Speaker 3: eight five five, Pats five hundred is the phone number
Speaker 3: you can email in web radio at Patriots dot com.
Speaker 3: And uh, we'll love your opinion on all this this stuff.
Speaker 3: And I know some people acus don't feel the same
Speaker 3: way I do about Mac Jones. They want to see
Speaker 3: they want to see the competition, so maybe maybe you
Speaker 3: feel that way. All right, Uh, moving on to running backs,
Speaker 3: This one was interesting because there is some turnover here,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a little bit more significantly than the
Speaker 3: top of the quarterback depth chart, Grimandra Stevenson, the guy
Speaker 3: we just spoke to this morning, James Robinson, Pierre Strong,
Speaker 3: Kevin Harris, Time Montgomery, and JJ Taylor. So historically speaking
Speaker 3: obvioust they keep four running backs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, four guys. It's been three a time, so because
Speaker 1: they'll throw somebody in the practice squad.
Speaker 3: But four guys I think is safe to assume out
Speaker 3: of this group because I think there are gonna be
Speaker 3: four rosterable running backs to come out of this group.
Speaker 3: We know Ramondre Stevenson's a lock. I would like to
Speaker 3: think we can confidently say that Pierre Strong is probably
Speaker 3: a lock too, just because of his draft status last
Speaker 3: year and cutting a fourth round pick in year two
Speaker 3: seems a little bit unrealistic. But from there it's really
Speaker 3: anybody's game. And I look at a guy like James Robinson,
Speaker 3: who I think could add some things to this team,
Speaker 3: and I'm a little you know, I'm interested to see
Speaker 3: what he's got in training camp. I think that he
Speaker 3: could help. James Robinson has basically no guaranteed money given
Speaker 3: to him on his contract. He's a very, for lack
Speaker 3: of a better word, cutable player at the moment. If
Speaker 3: he doesn't look reinvigorated, if he doesn't look like he
Speaker 3: has any juice, he's a player that they could move
Speaker 3: on from pretty easily. So I look at this and
Speaker 3: I think Ramondre Stevenson and Pierre Strong are really the
Speaker 3: only two guys that I feel like are definitely going
Speaker 3: to be on this team. I think the three and
Speaker 3: four spot are kind of up from grabs at that point,
Speaker 3: so better worse are same At the running back position, I.
Speaker 1: Think worse, you know, starting off, there's a chance they
Speaker 1: end up better because if Pierre Strong emergence is a
Speaker 1: pass catching back, now you don't have to run Ramondra
Speaker 1: Stevenson in the ground like they did last year, so
Speaker 1: he's fresher down the stretch. You have a good pass
Speaker 1: catching back. If Kevin Harris develops, you have that, you know,
Speaker 1: bowling ball short yardage, secondary, early down back behind Ramandre
Speaker 1: and then you just need one of James robinsoner Time
Speaker 1: Montgomery to develop as an option right as just a
Speaker 1: depth player, and I don't think any of that's unrealistic.
Speaker 1: But coming in they lost Damien Harris, they don't have
Speaker 1: a clear cut pass catching back. They have candidates between
Speaker 1: Strong and Robinson and Montgomery, but that's got to be
Speaker 1: sorted out. So I'll say initially they're worse, but there's
Speaker 1: upside there. That's kind of where I'm at with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that I don't want to say they're
Speaker 3: better because I do feel like Damien Harris was a
Speaker 3: good patriot and I don't want to undersell him in
Speaker 3: terms of what he brought to the table. I know
Speaker 3: he was injured a lot the last couple of years,
Speaker 3: especially last year, that that hurt right, that that hurt
Speaker 3: his patriot tenure. I actually love I criticized their roster
Speaker 3: management a lot. I actually really love how they handle
Speaker 3: running backs. I think they do it exactly how you
Speaker 3: should do it. For the most part, third and fourth
Speaker 3: round picks, recycle them every three or four years. Never
Speaker 3: get married to any of these guys, right, You never
Speaker 3: you know, commit you know, big money dollars or years
Speaker 3: to a running back. I think that they do a
Speaker 3: nice job of recycling that position because for the most part,
Speaker 3: they understand that that position is replaceable. Like those guys
Speaker 3: are kind of a dime a dozen and you can
Speaker 3: kind of cycle through them. And that's that's what we
Speaker 3: know now in today's NFL and the way that things
Speaker 3: work nowadays. So I like how they handle the running
Speaker 3: backs position. The one guy that I'm really bullish on,
Speaker 3: I am. I really think Pierre Strong is going to
Speaker 3: be something. I think we saw enough, especially in that
Speaker 3: Era Zone A game obviously, but even in the Raider
Speaker 3: game he had a couple of good carries too, and
Speaker 3: that West Coast swing last year for me to be
Speaker 3: optimistic that Pierre Strong is going to bring something to
Speaker 3: the table. I want to see Pierre Strong on the field.
Speaker 3: And I look at a guy like Bill O'Brien and I,
Speaker 3: you know, him, being the coach that he is, he
Speaker 3: loves to think about matchups like how like who's a problem,
Speaker 3: Like who's a matchup weapon, Who's a guy that can
Speaker 3: win foot races or is so quick that a linebacker
Speaker 3: or safety is not going to be able to cover
Speaker 3: them in the slot or you know, coming horizontally across
Speaker 3: the field. This guy is gonna win races this way
Speaker 3: or that way or whatever, and I look at a
Speaker 3: guy like Pierre Strong, and I look at that forty
Speaker 3: time and everything, and I just just get that guy
Speaker 3: the football and try to get that guy into space
Speaker 3: a handful of times a game. It's similar to how
Speaker 3: everybody feels about Marcus Jones or like Taekwon, right, just
Speaker 3: just get the ball in their hands and see what
Speaker 3: they can do with it. I think Pierre Strong is
Speaker 3: going to to be a really good player for them
Speaker 3: this year. I'm optimistic that he is just following in
Speaker 3: a very similar path to a lot of other running
Speaker 3: backs in that mold, right, the Shane Vereens, the James Whites,
Speaker 3: those players, and we'll see him. Your two really take
Speaker 3: off and you.
Speaker 1: Make a good point there. Sorry to cut your nose,
Speaker 1: but I've seen a lot of people say, well, if
Speaker 1: they were good, the Patriots would have played in last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not necessarily. I know they needed a running back last year.
Speaker 1: They did. They played Romandre Sevenson way too much. But
Speaker 1: this is just what they do. Even in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: I don't remember who it was, but a couple guys
Speaker 1: got hurt and they still didn't play Damien Harris, who
Speaker 1: was a rookie at the time, Like they I forget
Speaker 1: what they did, but they went out of their way
Speaker 1: to not play rookie Damien Harris, And that was kind
Speaker 1: of the case last year. I feel like they went
Speaker 1: out of their way, right, and.
Speaker 3: Then Zon had good games.
Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna say, right from what
Speaker 1: we did see, and I'm not saying they're gonna both
Speaker 1: come in and be Pro Bowlers right right, right, but
Speaker 1: from what we saw, I'd say they they handled themselves.
Speaker 1: They looked at the least capable. Yeah, So I don't
Speaker 1: have if you have, like actual football reasons to write
Speaker 1: them off. I guess we could have that discussion call in,
Speaker 1: but yeah, simply saying well, they didn't play last year,
Speaker 1: so they're not good. That's really not how it generally
Speaker 1: works in New England. If you're a rookie running back,
Speaker 1: unless you were picked in the first round or your
Speaker 1: name's were Andre Stevenson, you don't play. You mentioned James
Speaker 1: White fourteen touches as a rookie, Yeah, and I remember
Speaker 1: people were riding him.
Speaker 3: On Stoverreen was similar, right, Like.
Speaker 1: Here's a couple more. I think he had like fifteen.
Speaker 3: But he didn't play a ton.
Speaker 1: He didn't play a ton as a rookie. But the
Speaker 1: James White one I always go back to because I
Speaker 1: remember people were thinking like that, you're the use of
Speaker 1: whatever it was, third fourth round pick on this guy
Speaker 1: doesn't play as a bust ye as a fourth round
Speaker 1: you know, we could barely get on the field last year.
Speaker 1: They turned out okay.
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm optimistic about Pierre Strong, and I think
Speaker 3: that in general, you gotta hope that at least one
Speaker 3: of those guys Harris or Strong ends up being a
Speaker 3: good player for you that should at least, at the
Speaker 3: very least be able to back up and spell Ormandra Stevenson. Right,
Speaker 3: because if you go back and look at the draft
Speaker 3: last year running back, if those guys can't play, then
Speaker 3: they missed badly at that spot. I mean, it's not
Speaker 3: just Isaiah Pacheco in the seventh round. Oh that was
Speaker 3: my guy, right, So you know the guy down in
Speaker 3: Houston was a damn Damian here peers right around that
Speaker 3: range too. There's a bunch of guys there, and if
Speaker 3: they got one of the guys that can't play, and
Speaker 3: I'm not I think Pierre Strong can play I think
Speaker 3: Pierre Strong can play too, so I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: he can't, but if they got one of those guys
Speaker 3: that can't play, then we got some questions to ask.
Speaker 1: So they Pierce was not on the board for them,
Speaker 1: at least they took Pierre Strong in the fourth round,
Speaker 1: like late fourth round. He went early. They missed Hassan
Speaker 1: Haskins for Michigan, who's good, but not that kind of player.
Speaker 1: Tyler Aljeer from BYU, I mean, these are power backs,
Speaker 1: these aren't receiving backs, but they're both good players. A
Speaker 1: couple more went than they took Kevin Harris, Tyler Batty
Speaker 1: I liked, he's in the USFL now though, Trestan Ebner
Speaker 1: I liked. I think he's yeah, he's still on the Bears,
Speaker 1: and uh, who else? And then Isaiah pe Go in
Speaker 1: the seventh.
Speaker 3: Round, right, So I guess Isaiah, but Checko is really
Speaker 3: the one.
Speaker 1: Especially everybody missed him, but that's the one.
Speaker 3: Pierre Strong and Isaiah Pacheco, they both had tied for
Speaker 3: the fastest forty in the draft, right and running back,
Speaker 3: so if you're looking for that speedback that those were
Speaker 3: kind of your option. So it was sort of him
Speaker 3: or it was Checko, But I'm not going down that
Speaker 3: road because I think he can play. Montgomery and James
Speaker 3: Robinson I think are interesting players for different reasons. I
Speaker 3: think Montgomery is sort of this mythical creature to a
Speaker 3: lot of Patriots fans because frankly, we we hyped him
Speaker 3: up a lot in the in the training camp get
Speaker 3: it out training camp last year, he had a good camp,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of time. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of talk about him being a contributor and somebody that
Speaker 3: was going to step in, maybe not on a James
Speaker 3: White level of production, but maybe something like a Brandon
Speaker 3: Bolden level of production, right, somebody that could at least
Speaker 3: hold down that receiving back role. And he had some
Speaker 3: versatility because he played wide receiver and running back in
Speaker 3: his career in Green Bay and New Orleans had a
Speaker 3: similar system the way they use their running backs in
Speaker 3: the past game with some conversion there from from his
Speaker 3: year before that. So I still am not completely out
Speaker 3: on time Montgomery being a contributor, and I think James
Speaker 3: Robinson the biggest question with him. It's kind of similar
Speaker 3: when we get to wide receiver here in a second week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good calls, splitting up offensive defense, cut to forty
Speaker 1: and we haven't even gotten a receiver Kishan Butte.
Speaker 3: It's about injury, right, Like James Robinson tore his achilles
Speaker 3: two years ago, you hope that a year and a
Speaker 3: half removed from that achilles, he's gonna get the juice back.
Speaker 3: But last year with the Jags and the Jets, quite frankly,
Speaker 3: he did not have the juice. He did, he just
Speaker 3: didn't have any any burst to his run his running game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So if he's not gonna have that, then I think
Speaker 3: that he could be somebody that ends up not making
Speaker 3: this team simply just because he he just doesn't have
Speaker 3: it right right now, A guy like Kevin Harris I
Speaker 3: think should make the team over both those guys that
Speaker 3: I just mentioned as well.
Speaker 1: The other thing you have to remember, and this is
Speaker 1: like the whole new thing that's really changed the way
Speaker 1: we do roster projections. Who do they have the best
Speaker 1: shot at getting on the practice squad, Because even if
Speaker 1: Kevin Harris is a better player, they might have a
Speaker 1: better shot at waiving him getting into the practice squad
Speaker 1: and then they can elevate him versus a guy like
Speaker 1: James Robinson who they might lose if they can James Robinson.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm just using those two. You can
Speaker 1: throw a Time Montgomery in there.
Speaker 3: If he's in year five, correct, so he might be
Speaker 3: a vested VET at this point, so he might not
Speaker 3: pass through waivers. Time Montgomery definitely doesn't have to pass
Speaker 3: through waivers.
Speaker 1: So Thig Robinson would.
Speaker 3: It's it's four or five years. I always forget how
Speaker 3: many years it is.
Speaker 1: It's some of it. It's not years. It's like playing time,
Speaker 1: it's a whole thing.
Speaker 3: So anyways, the biggest thing to me with the running
Speaker 3: back position, I'm gonna say, Jen, I'm gonna say same
Speaker 3: from last year. I think it's different, certainly because Pierre
Speaker 3: Strong is a much different runner than David.
Speaker 1: Different, but it's the same.
Speaker 3: It's different in terms of their skill set, I know.
Speaker 3: But I'm optimistic that Pierre Strong is going to bring
Speaker 3: a good element, like something that they could you really
Speaker 3: utilize with his ability to his speed and even his
Speaker 3: agility in the open field, like we saw him make
Speaker 3: some really devastating cuts as well. He's quick and he's
Speaker 3: got some suddenness to his movements. So I'm really excited
Speaker 3: to see what he brings to the table. And I
Speaker 3: think that they still have a really good running back room.
Speaker 3: I still think that's the strength of this team. Let's
Speaker 3: do tight ends really quickly and then we'll take some
Speaker 3: calls and we'll spend the next forty five minutes on
Speaker 3: the wide receivers and the offensive line, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: I think they have sixteen offensive line.
Speaker 1: With the offensive line and linebackers, that's like half the
Speaker 1: ross sixteen.
Speaker 3: It's unreal tight ends. So in my initial projection, I'll
Speaker 3: read the tight ends off first, Hunter, Henry, Mi, Kasiki,
Speaker 3: Matt Sokele Scotti, Washington, and your guy Johnny Lumpkin.
Speaker 1: I think that's our guy after last week, don't think.
Speaker 3: So those are your tight ends right now. My roster
Speaker 3: projection last week I did, and I know you did
Speaker 3: one too, only had Hunter, Henry and Kasiki on the
Speaker 3: final roster. That's what they did last year with Johnny
Speaker 3: and Henry, and they only have those two guys that
Speaker 3: made the initial fifty three. To me, it feels like
Speaker 3: the same thing, where those are two veteran guys that
Speaker 3: you invested some money in, you invested resources in. Those
Speaker 3: are the two guys that are gonna play assuming they're healthy.
Speaker 3: Nobody else is. I know you like Johnny Lumpkin, Alex,
Speaker 3: but Johnny ump I had them on. Johnny Lumpkin is
Speaker 3: not is not taking away playing time for Mike Kasicki
Speaker 3: or Hunter Henry.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. We both know the
Speaker 1: utf A streak is important to them that they keep
Speaker 1: that going nineteen years ago for a reason.
Speaker 3: I kind of hope it's not like I kind of
Speaker 3: hope it's like.
Speaker 1: What Takobe Meyer said as a rookie that I think
Speaker 1: you're the one who asked him this question that a
Speaker 1: big part of the reason he signed in New England
Speaker 1: was they had you think it's important to them because
Speaker 1: it gravitates towards you know, he helps the crude essentially.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's important, but oh, we've got to
Speaker 1: do this because it's cool. I think because they can
Speaker 1: go to a guy and say, nineteen years in a row,
Speaker 1: you've had a rook and look they've kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: maneuvered it in the past, like remember the year that
Speaker 1: quin Quinordine and Nick Folk technically on the roster, right,
Speaker 1: I think it's something they care about who's the most
Speaker 1: They got three guys, Jordan, Heli, Malik Cunningham, who you hate,
Speaker 1: you don't hate. I don't say that Jordan Jordan, he
Speaker 1: like Malik Cunningham and Johnny Lunkin. Realistically, of those three,
Speaker 1: who's the most likely to make the roster?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I look, I think that there is definitely an argument,
Speaker 3: And I would say, just for better words same, I
Speaker 3: would say better because I think inherently speaking production wise,
Speaker 3: like how is how is Mike SICKI worse than Johnny's?
Speaker 1: So I think they're better Kasicki's an upgrade. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: also think they might like Scotty Washington. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that overly shifts it. But if you get you know,
Speaker 1: you elevate him off the past squad for a couple
Speaker 1: of games. He gives you something.
Speaker 3: He's a really interesting like he's huge, he's yeah, and
Speaker 3: he's athletic. No here, there's a lot of interesting a
Speaker 3: little bit. So I'm not saying he's gonna come in
Speaker 3: and make it difference again. Elevated for a couple games,
Speaker 3: he gave you something.
Speaker 1: But the thing with Lumpkin to me is I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna take playing time away from Hunter Henry
Speaker 1: or Mike Sicky. But what happens when you get in
Speaker 1: the red zone and you want to go with that
Speaker 1: big formation. Plus he plays special teams, They'll find a
Speaker 1: role for him. It's not going to be expansive. But again,
Speaker 1: of those three guys, Heleigue is just special team. He's
Speaker 1: not going to help you on defense or offense. Malie
Speaker 1: Cunningham's role is going to be have to be highly
Speaker 1: specialized or you get a blocking tight end who will
Speaker 1: help you cover kicks. So it's it's easy.
Speaker 3: The thing that you just mentioned about is blocking, I
Speaker 3: think is important because I look at this group right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and if there's I don't I'm I'm not going to
Speaker 3: call people out by names. I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 3: There's some people that feel like John new Smith was
Speaker 3: a really good blocker. I'm not necessarily in that school.
Speaker 3: I think he was a adequate NFL blocker, like he
Speaker 3: was starting caliber in that category. Do I think he
Speaker 3: was on the scale of starting to Rob Gronkowski. He's
Speaker 3: definitely just more towards the starting side of things, right,
Speaker 3: But he would he could hold his own in that respect.
Speaker 3: Neither Hunter Henry Nor. Mika Sicki gives you much in
Speaker 3: that regard, and I think that Mikasicki will be a
Speaker 3: better blocker here than he has been in the past
Speaker 3: because I think two things. One, I think they'll demand
Speaker 3: it out of him. I think Bill O'Brien will demand
Speaker 3: it out of him, and Bill will too. And secondly,
Speaker 3: he's on He signed a one year contract for a
Speaker 3: guy that's been like, this is a really proven year
Speaker 3: for him, So I think he's gonna go out there
Speaker 3: and he's gonna give it as all in all phases,
Speaker 3: but it all doesn't mean that he's all of a
Speaker 3: suddenly going to become you know, Mark Bavarro right Like,
Speaker 3: he's still gonna have a some short So it's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a low key hole in the roster.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and say that it's
Speaker 3: the most important thing in the world, but a little
Speaker 3: bit of a low key hole in this roster right
Speaker 3: now is they don't have a true difference making in
Speaker 3: line blocking tight end and they don't have a fullback,
Speaker 3: so they don't really have that in their repertoire. Like
Speaker 3: if they have to go into a period of the
Speaker 3: season where they really need to pound the rock and
Speaker 3: run the football effectively. They don't really have that. They
Speaker 3: don't have that guy. They don't have a traditional full
Speaker 3: back like a James Devil or a Yakub Johnson. They
Speaker 3: don't have like a versatile blocker more like a John
Speaker 3: new Smith. They don't have the hand in the dirt,
Speaker 3: you know, third tackle tight end. So the question is,
Speaker 3: I guess they have sixteen offensive linemen, So can one
Speaker 3: of those offenses. Do they do more tackle eligible stuff
Speaker 3: and do they get away with it that way or
Speaker 3: does somebody like your boy Johnny Lumpkin make the roster
Speaker 3: as a you know, Michael Kumamana.
Speaker 1: Even if I think I got it, I think I
Speaker 1: nailed that just for a couple of weeks. Even if
Speaker 1: it's you know, something that he comes on and then
Speaker 1: they have to pull somebody off. I r right, start
Speaker 1: season whatever. But he'sn'ta be around. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be around. I think he's gonna play.
Speaker 3: I do. I'm really That's the one thing that I
Speaker 3: I I know a lot of people are surprised they
Speaker 3: didn't draft a tight end with tight end one upside,
Speaker 3: you know, like a Darnell Washington or a Tucker Craft
Speaker 3: or something like that. What I'm what I'm like so
Speaker 3: surprised about is if they didn't even take one of
Speaker 3: those guys that was more of like a specialized blocking
Speaker 3: tight end. A little bit later, Yeah, you know, they
Speaker 3: just completely passed on the position altogether. Maybe it's Johnny Lumkin.
Speaker 3: Maybe I tell you, I think that's he. I think
Speaker 3: he makes the team.
Speaker 1: I really do. I think he makes the team.
Speaker 3: I just keep going back to like if you go
Speaker 3: into the week and it's Tuesday, and you feel like,
Speaker 3: all right, we're playing this defense that's fast.
Speaker 1: Look at week one or what we think is gonna
Speaker 1: be it's rumored to be Week one.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe them. But you go into the week and
Speaker 3: you're just like, this defense is undersized. It's fast, but
Speaker 3: they're light, and we want to just run them over.
Speaker 3: Like that's how we're going to play this game. I
Speaker 3: guess twenty eighteen Super Bowl run right, Like we're just
Speaker 3: going to run these people over. How do they really
Speaker 3: get into that personnel right now with the tight ends
Speaker 3: that they have Johnny lump with the last lack of
Speaker 3: full back, Like, how do they really do that? That's
Speaker 3: the game plan. Maybe it's Johnny Umpkin. All right, let
Speaker 3: me take some of these calls and then we'll do
Speaker 3: the the meaty positions at the wide receivers in the
Speaker 3: old line. Max and SEACNK. What's up? Max?
Speaker 2: Hi doing?
Speaker 4: Guys?
Speaker 6: Really enjoy you guys working together. Hoppy, you guys got
Speaker 6: on catch twenty two after your upgrade there, Evan, I
Speaker 6: thank you. Question for you guys. I know that Evan,
Speaker 6: you are sorry. Alex you and you mentioned this with
Speaker 6: Mike Kadlick. The line for mac Jones is four thousand
Speaker 6: yards this season. I think something that everyone's missing is
Speaker 6: that if you average out mac Jones over seventeen games
Speaker 6: last year, he was only down about one hundred and
Speaker 6: fifty five yards. Curious you guys thoughts.
Speaker 3: Thanks, no problem. So this is definitely a Catholic angle
Speaker 3: his lines. His line is four thousand yards passing.
Speaker 1: Thousand yards, twenty five touchdowns. That's a lot. That's the
Speaker 1: over under on the touchdowns twenty five. That's a lot.
Speaker 3: I mean last year he had what.
Speaker 1: Twenty one, but it was in fewer games.
Speaker 3: He had twenty one passing touchdowns last year.
Speaker 1: It sounds right, no, is it less than that I
Speaker 1: feel like it was less than that. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: on pace for twenty one. Anyways, he had pad four teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I knew something bad I took. I said
Speaker 1: over on yards under on touchdowns.
Speaker 3: I could see that. I could see that. I like
Speaker 3: we were kind of just talking about. I still feel
Speaker 3: like at their core, and this kind of goes back
Speaker 3: to like Dante's Scarneki and I have and fears and stuff.
Speaker 3: So maybe not so much anymore, but I still think
Speaker 3: at their core they want to be a team that
Speaker 3: when it's like third and two from the goal line,
Speaker 3: they can run the ball right like they don't want
Speaker 3: they would rather, in my opinion, they would rather. And
Speaker 3: I think this is some other red zone issues that
Speaker 3: they had last year that they got too far away
Speaker 3: from this. When they get first and goal from the
Speaker 3: five yard line, they'd rather run it three times into
Speaker 3: the end zone right and not have to throw it.
Speaker 3: And I think last year they kind of did get
Speaker 3: a little pass happy down there, and that would be
Speaker 3: a big bonus I think this year of getting back
Speaker 3: to their roots of being a good short yardage running
Speaker 3: team and being good in the trenches and Adrian clam
Speaker 3: and Bill O'Brien, Yes.
Speaker 1: No, it's I actually think they're they're okay running in
Speaker 1: from like the five. My figure is shoes like the
Speaker 1: five to the fifteenth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like mid or high. Red zone numbers are terrible,
Speaker 3: ye last year.
Speaker 1: So and that's why I took the under on touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Think they're gonna get down to like the one or
Speaker 1: two yard line a bunch and.
Speaker 3: Just yeah yeah, all right, So four thousand yards that
Speaker 3: seems like a lot. Now, I guess with the extra
Speaker 3: game it's not. It's not quite as much as it
Speaker 3: used to be, But four thousand yards seems like a lot.
Speaker 3: Was he four thousand his rookie year?
Speaker 1: I think he was like just shorty thirty eight hundred.
Speaker 3: His rookie year. Yeah, doesn't that seem like a lot?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, in theory two hundred yards over seventeen
Speaker 1: games he was that's eleven more yards per game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one more completion and he completed uh sixty seven
Speaker 1: percent of his passes. That's I guess that's pretty high. Yeah. Well, look,
Speaker 1: how about this. We've talked about the and this will
Speaker 1: segue I send the receivers. We've talked about how the
Speaker 1: big difference between Jacobe Myers and Juju Smith. Schuster's that
Speaker 1: yard after catchability and they find eleven more yards per
Speaker 1: game and Juju creating after he catches the ball.
Speaker 3: Out just to say, yeah, if he hits on those
Speaker 3: marks four and twenty five touchdowns, we're talking about forty
Speaker 3: billion dollars a year.
Speaker 1: No, they have a quarterback. No, they have a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're talking about giving back Jones. Daniel Jones said.
Speaker 1: At beginning, what did Daniel Jones do last year? He's
Speaker 1: probably yeah, probably pretty compar right, hang on, let's see,
Speaker 1: they probably just took it right from Daniel Jones' box,
Speaker 1: probably like four thousand. No, Daniel Jones is actually not
Speaker 1: even close to that. Last year, Daniel Jones was thirty
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen touchdowns and now he only threw
Speaker 1: five interceptions and he ran and he ran find like
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards. Yeah, so if you but even if
Speaker 1: you include the rushing, he didn't get to four thousand parts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Eldrid, what's going on?
Speaker 4: Hey man?
Speaker 3: How you doing good? How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm doing pretty good? Question out at the wide receiver spot.
Speaker 4: Do you think later later going hold of this spot?
Speaker 4: Have a special teamer like he'd been doing, instead of
Speaker 4: putting somebody in that can play special teams and maybe
Speaker 4: contribute and catching pastes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you brought this up, because somebody brought
Speaker 3: brought this up in my mentions yesterday too. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't think it was you, Elder. I think of
Speaker 3: somebody else. Uh, And I don't understand the thinking like Slate,
Speaker 3: so you because they're going to carry at least five
Speaker 3: widers receivers, not including Matthew Slater, right, So Matthew Slater's
Speaker 3: spot is not He's not taking up somebody on the
Speaker 3: wide receivers depth chart, like he's not. How is he talking?
Speaker 4: They're going to carry specialty but reiver spot.
Speaker 1: But but they're not carrying Eldred. What if I told
Speaker 1: you last year Bill Bellich? I think was Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: Maybe with Steve Bell Belichick referred to him as a safety.
Speaker 3: But ultimately what I'm getting at is with Slater, And
Speaker 3: this is like a real like semantics argument here. They're
Speaker 3: going to carry five real wide receivers, not including Matthew Slater, right,
Speaker 3: They're going to carry five guys at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 3: just like every other team. So he's not going to
Speaker 3: take anybody's spot at the wide receiver position. Like that's
Speaker 3: like what I can't wrap my head around the spots
Speaker 3: that he's taking up. Are you know guys that are
Speaker 3: at the back end of the roster, Like, are we
Speaker 3: all gonna are we all gonna lose sleep because Matthew
Speaker 3: Slater is taking you know, Raleigh Webb's roster spot.
Speaker 1: Right, That's basically what you're talking about here is Roley
Speaker 1: Webb making the team over Matthew Slater.
Speaker 3: Right, So they're gonna carry five real wide receivers and
Speaker 3: if they wanted, and now we can get into it
Speaker 3: and thanks for college or because we were gonna segue
Speaker 3: into this anyways, right, Uh, if they wanted, they could
Speaker 3: carry six, like they could. Matthew Slater is not gonna
Speaker 3: prevent them from carrying five to six, to four to
Speaker 3: whatever wide receiver number they want to. They'll figure out
Speaker 3: the numbers with him in the in the equation. And
Speaker 3: if you look at like my roster projection, your roster projection,
Speaker 3: the guys that they are cutting, do you really think
Speaker 3: that those guys are bringing more to the football team
Speaker 3: than Matthew Slater like, do you really believe that they
Speaker 3: especially on game day, like not even talking about Yeah,
Speaker 3: I get it, Like they could maybe keep an Isaiah
Speaker 3: Bolden or a mere Speed if you know, one of
Speaker 3: those guys could end up making it, and that's developmental player.
Speaker 3: But you're developing a mere Speed to hopefully develop into
Speaker 3: Matthew Slater, right, So unless he's just better than Matthew
Speaker 3: Slater at this point.
Speaker 1: Of Slaters than the greatest ever do it?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only way Slater's not making the team is if
Speaker 1: he gets in a camp and decides he wants to retire.
Speaker 1: That's it. He's gonna be here. They want special teams guys.
Speaker 1: He brings that leadership ability. He's going to be here,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: So that brings that segues us into wide receivers. They
Speaker 3: currently have seven wide receivers signed after releasing Lynn Bowden yesterday,
Speaker 3: they have seven.
Speaker 1: They Juju Smith shoes eight.
Speaker 3: You have eight? Yeah, who's your eighth? Are you counting
Speaker 3: Rolly web No, Rolly Webb counts as a special teamer,
Speaker 3: all right, Juju Smith, Schuster, Taekwon Thornton, Devonte Parker, Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 3: Kaishan Boudi. But I keep doing that to Mario, Mario
Speaker 3: Douglas and Tree Nixon.
Speaker 1: What did you keep calling to Mario Douglas during the
Speaker 1: Shrine Bray Week? I remember you couldn't get his name right.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was. Oh, it was Dallas Daniels,
Speaker 1: who was like he kept getting Dallas Daniels.
Speaker 3: So tomorrow it was like Zay Flowers, So I'll just
Speaker 3: do the tears. Zay Flowers with the top tier to
Speaker 3: Mario Douglas was the second tier and then Dallas Daniels
Speaker 3: from where was where did you go again.
Speaker 1: Jackson Jackson?
Speaker 3: I thought it was Jackson Jackson State was the third
Speaker 3: tier and the Patriots just say, didn't only practice the
Speaker 3: one day? So Damrio Douglas and Dallas Daniels were just
Speaker 3: interchangeable in the slot. And they both had the you know,
Speaker 3: the little it'll eliteration there we go, Yeah, with the
Speaker 3: d's and every it just I couldn't do it. Dallas
Speaker 3: Daniels end up with the cowboys out there you go.
Speaker 3: So I think this is Elder's point and why he
Speaker 3: called in, and I get it. In theory, they have
Speaker 3: six guys that have the talent to be on the
Speaker 3: roster sorry, Trey Nixon. Uh, six guys that have the
Speaker 3: talent to be on the roster with realistically five spots.
Speaker 3: They could carry six, but they don't normally carry You
Speaker 3: remember what we did last year, and the reason why
Speaker 3: they don't can normally carry six, just like the reason
Speaker 3: why they don't normally carry extra bodies elsewhere is you
Speaker 3: could relate it and say that it is because they
Speaker 3: tee Matthew Slater and they keep Cody Davis, and they
Speaker 3: keep Brendan's right, like they keep the guys that are
Speaker 3: only going to play the kicking game. But they have
Speaker 3: they have a spot for one of their rookies.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what we did last year? We had
Speaker 1: that big debate about who was it? He was Trey Nixon,
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkerson, and little Jordan Humphrey. Ye, And it was
Speaker 1: three guys for the fifth receiver spot. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: they only kept for receivers. Do you remember that? So
Speaker 1: who knows how many the keep I had six on
Speaker 1: my first roster projection. There's a way they can do it. Now,
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to be thin somewhere else. I had
Speaker 1: them then on the defensive line, I had them thinn
Speaker 1: at corner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: What helps them is the six guys we're talking about here,
Speaker 1: who again are and I haven't listed alphabetically, so Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 1: Kaishon Butte to Mario doug with Devonte Parker, Juju Smith, Schuster,
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those six.
Speaker 1: Guys all have six pretty different skill sets. If there's
Speaker 1: one overlap, it's Kendrick Bourne to Kaishon Bute. But the
Speaker 1: reality is, if Kaishawn Bute plays well enough to earn
Speaker 1: a roster spot, you can't expose him by waiving him
Speaker 1: because he will get claimed. So unless they're gonna trade
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne, you have Parker, who's really your one true
Speaker 1: X receiver on the roster. Even the guys were not
Speaker 1: talking about here, like they don't have a backup, you know,
Speaker 1: roster fodder.
Speaker 3: Especially a guy. I mean, you could make the argument
Speaker 3: that somebody like Taekwon could play the X, but in
Speaker 3: that that body type, they don't have any right exactly.
Speaker 1: Juju is you know the slot he's made, He's making
Speaker 1: the tam right, he's making it, but his his skill
Speaker 1: set is Is there another guy on the team that
Speaker 1: has the same skill set as the same prototype of
Speaker 1: Juju Juju Smith Schuster.
Speaker 3: He's not as uh, he's not as thick, But I
Speaker 3: think there is some overlap between. Like we just did
Speaker 3: the slot receiver Shrine Bowl tier is Juju Smith Schuster,
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourn, Kishan Bute, so a little.
Speaker 1: Bit a little bit of it, but like I think
Speaker 1: Juju Kishon Bute and for what for the role we
Speaker 1: think they're gonna play here, Yeah, Kashawan Bute and Kendrick
Speaker 1: Bourne are not the big slots, the power slots that
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster is right in that regard, you lose
Speaker 1: that element. Obviously. Taekwon Thornton's the speed guy, Kendrick Bourne
Speaker 1: is your kind of move wide receiver, and then Douglas
Speaker 1: is your like speed slot, your shifting slot, or your
Speaker 1: gadget playget player. Right, So it's not like you look
Speaker 1: at two guys and say, well, they're both competing. Even
Speaker 1: if they're competing maybe for one spot, like you said
Speaker 1: that that fifth receiver, they're different roles, right, There's not
Speaker 1: a lot where two guys are competing for the same role.
Speaker 1: So unless Bat is excellent, Born is bad and they
Speaker 1: can trade them, I think there's a real path to
Speaker 1: them keeping all six and I think, to go back
Speaker 1: to the exercise, say better at receiver, and I think noticeably, I.
Speaker 3: Think they're better at receiver too. I think that I
Speaker 3: still will pound the table that Juju is an upgrade
Speaker 3: over Jacoby Myers, and I'm gonna still stick to that.
Speaker 1: For what they need, he is better. And there are
Speaker 1: there are spots like.
Speaker 3: There's there's certainly elements of Jacob. Jacoby is a better
Speaker 3: natural separator.
Speaker 1: For what it's worth, I think Juju is a better
Speaker 1: fit in New England than Jacoby is at this point
Speaker 1: in time, I think Jacoby is a better fit for
Speaker 1: the Raiders than Juju been you really get down to
Speaker 1: system when you talk about you know, these two guys.
Speaker 3: And I really think that Jacoby has elements of his
Speaker 3: game that are better than Juju's. But but I think jujus,
Speaker 3: like you said, uh, in particular after the cat, that's
Speaker 3: what it comes down and his ability to create some
Speaker 3: bigger plays, so that that's I think a big thing.
Speaker 3: I am really really excited, not I'm not. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: use the word optimistic, I wouldn't use the word bullish.
Speaker 3: I am excited about to see how Bill O'Brien is
Speaker 3: going to use Taekwon Thorton. I'm just excited about a
Speaker 3: real offensive coordinator coming in here and having a guy
Speaker 3: with four two eight speed like that can run like that.
Speaker 3: How does he get him off the line of scrimmage?
Speaker 3: How does he use him in motion? How does he
Speaker 3: use different alignment tricks like stacks and bunches and things
Speaker 3: like that to get him off of press coverage or
Speaker 3: away from contact. In the first you know, five to
Speaker 3: ten yards of the route, there's a lot of potential
Speaker 3: there for Bill O'Brien to create foot races for Taekwon Thornton,
Speaker 3: going this way, going that way, going up the field,
Speaker 3: going horizontally across the field. That could really make Taekwon
Speaker 3: Thorton an extremely fun player for the Patriots. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to put yards and touchdowns and catches on it.
Speaker 3: I don't know how productive it's going to be, but
Speaker 3: I think that there's gonna be a lot of elements
Speaker 3: and that for that reason, I'm really thinking this could
Speaker 3: be a lot better if I'm if Bill O'Brien can
Speaker 3: get Tai k Kwon to be the player that was
Speaker 3: a game changer at Baylor using similar tricks of the Trade.
Speaker 3: I think that they have a really really fun room
Speaker 3: in that regard.
Speaker 1: Do you have a breaking schedule news from the Patriots
Speaker 1: twitor account itself? Oh, what's that breaking? The Patriots will
Speaker 1: play here this season. It's a picture of Julette Stadium.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one because people have like the
Speaker 1: alerts on their phones, so they're breaking the Patriots will
Speaker 1: play here and not click it so the pictures let
Speaker 1: that's well done.
Speaker 3: Good job Neil and Veronica and everybody like that is funy.
Speaker 1: That's my kind of humor. It's funny.
Speaker 3: Anyways.
Speaker 1: Just a shout out to the guy in the comments
Speaker 1: who says we're not entertaining. That's entertaining.
Speaker 3: Someone said we're not entertaining.
Speaker 1: Some guy is very upset. The first he said, we're
Speaker 1: not entertaining. We don't know anything, and now the other
Speaker 1: people in the chat have talked him down to just
Speaker 1: we're not entertaining, which I will admit the show gets
Speaker 1: a little dense at times, but I think that's why
Speaker 1: people are.
Speaker 3: Disappoint Exactly do you want entertaining? Then you know at
Speaker 3: the place for you, we're talking football here to a
Speaker 3: certain kind of persons. Okay, the rookies. The argument to
Speaker 3: me for keeping both rookies, I have a hard time
Speaker 3: thinking that both rookies are gonna fully play themselves into
Speaker 3: roster spots.
Speaker 1: I think somebody else would have to have a bad camp.
Speaker 1: It's being too realistic, too optimistic. Their six round picks
Speaker 1: for a reason. I think it'd be really optimistic to
Speaker 1: think both guys are so good in camp. Nope, no, no,
Speaker 1: But now, what is the reason Keyshan Boute is a
Speaker 1: six round pick.
Speaker 3: Reasons? We know the reasons, I know. We know the
Speaker 3: character concerns, injury concern Tomrio Douglas I love as a player,
Speaker 3: we know that. But at the bottom line is is
Speaker 3: that he's small and undersized and making a big leap
Speaker 3: in competition. There is a chance that his play strength
Speaker 3: and his ability to run through contact isn't good enough
Speaker 3: for this.
Speaker 1: You know else with small and undersized and uh leaving
Speaker 1: play strength and something competition? Whatever the hell you just said?
Speaker 1: What Mark Jones? Yes, but that's what tomorrow Douglas's role
Speaker 1: is going to be. I think, yeah, and I and
Speaker 1: I'm I really am high on him. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a good player here.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that it's very optimistic to think both
Speaker 3: of those guys are like studs in training camp to
Speaker 3: the point where they're both they have to make the team, right,
Speaker 3: you can't part with either of them. The argument to
Speaker 3: me that's better for it is that you really don't
Speaker 3: have very much on your contract pass this year at
Speaker 3: that position. So just looking at those two guys as
Speaker 3: developmental pieces in the pipeline for twenty twenty four and beyond.
Speaker 3: I think it's important because Devonte Parker is a free
Speaker 3: agent after this year, Kendrick Bourne's a free agent after
Speaker 3: this year. You have Juju, you have Taekwon, and that's it.
Speaker 3: In terms of proven NFL.
Speaker 1: Talent, I think Trey Nixon's in the last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and I know Taekwon proven NFL talent is
Speaker 3: a little strong right now. But potential guy that it
Speaker 3: was the second round pick. Yeah, So Taekwon's going to
Speaker 3: be here in twenty twenty four. Juju is going to
Speaker 3: be here in twenty twenty four. And so if you're
Speaker 3: looking at the depth chart next year, one of these
Speaker 3: rookie wide receivers is going to be kept, regardless, but
Speaker 3: keeping both of them and keeping six or carrying six,
Speaker 3: or trading Kendrick Bourne or trading DeVante Parker in the
Speaker 3: summer to keep five, including both rookies. There is a
Speaker 3: contract argument to be made there that they need They
Speaker 3: just need bodies for twenty twenty four. They just need
Speaker 3: to have guys around that have been in the system,
Speaker 3: that have played football here for twenty twenty four. I'm
Speaker 3: not ready to put six on the roster. I cut Booty.
Speaker 3: I did. I know that was as tough to do
Speaker 3: because I think that they could go either way with
Speaker 3: him tomorrow. Douglas feels like an easier projection to me,
Speaker 3: just feels I know what he is and what he
Speaker 3: isn't and there's a role for him on the team
Speaker 3: as that Marcus Jones gadget player type of guy in
Speaker 3: year one. Yeah, if they want to use him that capacity.
Speaker 3: Kishon Boude is, like you were saying, a little bit
Speaker 3: redundant to guys like Juju and certainly Kendrick Bourne. He's
Speaker 3: gonna have to push Kendrick Bourne either completely off the
Speaker 3: roster or just at least push for playing time to
Speaker 3: make the team. Like he's gonna have to be really
Speaker 3: really uh in Kendrick Bourne's rear view mirror.
Speaker 1: I just think, even if there's not a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three football reason for keeping keishon Bute, I think exposing
Speaker 1: him as risky and you remember you burned that contract,
Speaker 1: you cut him, he's no longer signed for four years.
Speaker 1: Now you have to keep sign even the futures deals
Speaker 1: and becomes an EERFA an RFA. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: gotta find a way to hold on him. Now. There's
Speaker 1: you know, there's also injuries are gonna happen. It's unfortunate,
Speaker 1: so maybe there's another way it happens. But even if
Speaker 1: you don't think both of those guys are gonna be
Speaker 1: locked down contributors this year, and I think Douglas who
Speaker 1: contributes some, I think Boute can contribute maybe more in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. But if you
Speaker 1: think those guys are gonna be pieces, that four year
Speaker 1: contract is valuable, especially in a sixth round four year contract, right.
Speaker 1: I think in that sense alone, they find a way
Speaker 1: to keep both guys on the roster, even if they
Speaker 1: have to do some serious juggling. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep six receiverses.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a good point. It's the contract in
Speaker 3: the longevity of the other contracts in that room. We
Speaker 3: talked to Matt grow I don't know if it's during
Speaker 3: the draft or before the draft, when he mentioned it
Speaker 3: would be foolish to not look ahead at contract situations
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty four and beyond when you're drafting.
Speaker 1: Oh, you have to.
Speaker 3: And certainly some of the drafts the picks that they
Speaker 3: did make, I know they didn't in certain spots like
Speaker 3: tackle and tight end, but an interior offensive line, they
Speaker 3: certainly have it the pipeline ready for their stucked. They're
Speaker 3: they're ready to go for if Mike on Wenu walks,
Speaker 3: if David Andrews retires, like they got guys so they
Speaker 3: they definitely looked at it in some places. And I
Speaker 3: think the six round receivers are potentially guys that they
Speaker 3: look at as twenty twenty four and beyond assets as
Speaker 3: well to keep around. So are you better on wide receivers.
Speaker 3: I'm better on it?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I think noticeably better. I think both
Speaker 1: in the short term and in the long term. I
Speaker 1: know people are down that they didn't take a receiver
Speaker 1: high in the draft, but sorry, just saw the Patriots
Speaker 1: pop up on it. Yeah, that worked there.
Speaker 3: No, oh that's the old news.
Speaker 1: The Tom Brady thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we very we can touch on that in No.
Speaker 1: You listen to public service announcement ten times today on
Speaker 1: the drive. I think they're they're better short long term.
Speaker 3: All right? You ready for me to read the sixteen
Speaker 3: sixteen offensive lineman currently have under contract?
Speaker 1: Can I try to do it six Can I try
Speaker 1: to do it by I.
Speaker 3: Mean you probably have a different order than me, so
Speaker 3: this might be hard. But well, you have the depth chart, right,
Speaker 3: I'm guessing I have my version of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So at tackle you have Trent Brown, Riley Reef,
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson, Andrew Stuber, Calvin Anderson, Andrew Stuber.
Speaker 3: At guard you have missing some tackles.
Speaker 1: But I know I am Trent Brown.
Speaker 3: Okay, we don't have time, Okay.
Speaker 1: Just go ahead.
Speaker 3: Trent Brown, conjuiced, James Farrence, Jason Hines, Bill Murray, Mike
Speaker 3: On went Now, Cody Russy, Cole Strange, Andrews Duber, Calvin Anderson, Connoment,
Speaker 3: Riley Reef, David Andrews, Jake Andrews, City Sow, and Antonio
Speaker 3: moff I, miss Connrac Dermott sixteen offensive linemen under contract.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's really three positions. That's only like Adrian
Speaker 1: five players per position.
Speaker 3: Do you think that they like have to go and
Speaker 3: do their like their their meetings in like the auditorium
Speaker 3: or something like that, Like do you think the O
Speaker 3: line room is big enough for sixteen three and twenty
Speaker 3: pound human beings to sit in one room?
Speaker 1: Well, look if they do the tackles meeting, it's only
Speaker 1: six players, right. How many linemen did they have last.
Speaker 3: Year at this point? I don't know about it. At
Speaker 3: this point, they only ended up carrying eight, eight or
Speaker 3: nine guys last year on the initials.
Speaker 1: No, but at one point they had like four or
Speaker 1: five on the practice squad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot. So it's always a lot.
Speaker 1: It's always.
Speaker 3: I think what's different about this year in terms of
Speaker 3: it being a lot is that there there's so much
Speaker 3: uncertainty at tackle that they might just carry the bodies
Speaker 3: just to have different bodies to throw at it. Right,
Speaker 3: Like there's because there's no real concrete other than I
Speaker 3: think Trent Brown, who after they didn't draft the tackle early.
Speaker 3: I think it's safe to say that Trent Brown is
Speaker 3: is now on this team like, I understand that there's
Speaker 3: cap things that they could cut Trent Brown and save
Speaker 3: some money or trade Trent Brown and save some money.
Speaker 3: They don't without drafting a tackle in the top fifty.
Speaker 3: I did. They got it. Trent Brown is the only
Speaker 3: guy that's played the NFL games for a long period
Speaker 3: of time and done well. And here's the thing besides,
Speaker 3: I guess Riley Reef.
Speaker 1: When we were there y for a long time, when
Speaker 1: we were talking about like back in March, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: if they cut Trent Brown, it's whatever it is, seven
Speaker 1: to ten million. I apologize Pat's gap. I got it wrong.
Speaker 1: I got it all spring. The idea was they were
Speaker 1: going to take that seven to ten million and use
Speaker 1: it in free agency to tackle or then a drafted
Speaker 1: tackle in the first round. Right, remember remember sign one
Speaker 1: Draft one. Yeah, those are the days that they did
Speaker 1: draft on Alex they drafted City South. They gad, you're right, right,
Speaker 1: I should be. I stand corrected. Yeah, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that there's nobody they can sign now, but yeah, seven
Speaker 1: to ten million dollars means a lot more in March
Speaker 1: than it does in May. Yeah, right, So at this point,
Speaker 1: are you going to beat can those seven to ten
Speaker 1: million dollars make you a better team with players other
Speaker 1: than Trent Brown, just based on who's available, unless they're
Speaker 1: maybe opening up money for some sort of trade or something,
Speaker 1: which rabbit hole, how do they do that? So I
Speaker 1: think Trent Brown's safe with this.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the the the drill is better worse saying,
Speaker 3: I do think it's a little bit confusing with this
Speaker 3: because there's so many button names and some are tackles,
Speaker 3: some are guards, some are centers, some are tackles, slash guards.
Speaker 3: You know, it's all over the place. But I think
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that I would say, I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: that I'm gonna talk, I'm gonna contradict myself because I'm
Speaker 3: allowed to do that. I think they're better on paper.
Speaker 3: But I have some real legitimate concerns about this, about
Speaker 3: this tackle group, some real concerns that I I am fearful,
Speaker 3: just like last year when right tackle and at times,
Speaker 3: let's face it, with Trent Brown, left tackle too, Alex
Speaker 3: was a little bit up and down. I am concerned
Speaker 3: that this is going to be the demise of this offense.
Speaker 3: Not past catchers, not the Latin, not that oh they
Speaker 3: don't have the number one receiver, like, none of that.
Speaker 3: My biggest concern right now is protection pass protection mainly,
Speaker 3: I think they'll figure out how to get it blocked
Speaker 3: up in the run game, and I think a lot
Speaker 3: of that assignments is so important when it comes to that,
Speaker 3: and I think Bill O'Brien and Adrian Clem being here,
Speaker 3: it will be so much cleaner in terms of mike
Speaker 3: points and angles and who has who and that sort
Speaker 3: of thing that I think their run game is going
Speaker 3: to be fine. Pass protection and tackle play in pass
Speaker 3: protection is a big concern of mine. I think the
Speaker 3: main reason is because I think they're rolling with Riley
Speaker 3: Reef at right tackle, and I had serious range and
Speaker 3: foot speed concerns with him based off of his film
Speaker 3: last year with Chicago, and now we're even a year
Speaker 3: ahead of that. You look at reportedly.
Speaker 1: Reportedly the matchup in week one, yeah, which reportedly reportedly
Speaker 1: is the Philadelphia Eagles, and reportedly reportedly and Riley Reef
Speaker 1: against Hassan Reddick, Like that's a mismatch, right, And then
Speaker 1: the next week he goes up against Jalen Phillips and
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb, and then the next week it's gonna you know,
Speaker 1: could be Von Miller and Greg Russeau with Buffalo, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, there's just so many of
Speaker 1: these talented edge rushers. We know statistically speaking that Mac
Speaker 1: Jones is like all quarterbacks regresses under pressure. But Mac
Speaker 1: in particular last year had a ton of issues against
Speaker 1: the blitz and a ton of issues with pressure. Now
Speaker 1: with a better coordinated attack and metter hots and better
Speaker 1: blitz pickups and like, all, yeah, it should be cleaner.
Speaker 1: We get all that. I'm very I'm not like that
Speaker 1: bullish on this offensive line group. I am coming around
Speaker 1: on some of the rookies. I think that some of
Speaker 1: these rookies can play in spots that they have skill
Speaker 1: sets that fit spots that they need. You know, Antonio Maffi,
Speaker 1: I think is a classic if they don't end up
Speaker 1: paying Mike on Way. I knew like he's going to
Speaker 1: start at right guard in twenty twenty four and he's
Speaker 1: going to be a fine player for them.
Speaker 3: City Sao is exciting, you know. I watched some of
Speaker 3: his film, Poor U Mass. I really learned like the
Speaker 3: difference between City Sao and and the guys they had there. Well,
Speaker 3: I think he legitimately, I think really did some damage to.
Speaker 1: Him and to Mario Douglas Tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably tells you a lot about that program.
Speaker 3: But City Sao does have some some suddenness, some movement skill,
Speaker 3: some foot speed. Certainly. I still look at him though,
Speaker 3: and still I still see a guard. I still see
Speaker 3: a guard ideally, but I guess in theory they've moved
Speaker 3: that player to right tackle before it's Mike on Wnu.
Speaker 3: It's to a degree, Marcus Cannon right, Marcus Cannon was
Speaker 3: a little bit taller than Onnu. Marcus knn' is a
Speaker 3: big guy. I didn't realize Cannon's like six ' five
Speaker 3: three thirty. Yeah, so he's you know, on why it
Speaker 3: was stouter he's yeah, and when it's like six one, yeah,
Speaker 3: City sounds a little bit closer to that with Marcus Cannon.
Speaker 3: So I think City South can play tackle at right tackle.
Speaker 3: Certainly not a left tackle in this system, but I
Speaker 3: think you could play right. It's a lot of bodies
Speaker 3: and we'll see what ends up happening in camp. And
Speaker 3: the last one I mentioned because I was higher on
Speaker 3: him when they made this who's free agent signings, and
Speaker 3: I think Riley Reef has gotten a lot of buzz
Speaker 3: as kind of the guy because of his experience and
Speaker 3: his steadiness and his leadership and all that. I really
Speaker 3: like Calvin Anderson as a player. And Calvin Anderson, to
Speaker 3: me is the guy that could allow you if he
Speaker 3: has a good camp and he looks the part and
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, Calvin Anderson could be the
Speaker 3: guy that allows you to move Trent Brown right back
Speaker 3: to the right side. Because Calvin Anderson's an athlete, you know,
Speaker 3: that's the one thing that he certainly has foundationally, really
Speaker 3: really good athlete, A great explosiveness out of his dance.
Speaker 3: He's got the range. He's just inconsistent with his technique.
Speaker 3: If they can coach him up and Adrian Clem can
Speaker 3: get him to be more consistent. And he's a left tackle,
Speaker 3: so you could play him on the left side Trent
Speaker 3: on the right side. That could steady things maybe a
Speaker 3: little bit more. But better words were same on the
Speaker 3: offensive line, and it's confusing, is the names.
Speaker 1: Is it weird that I feel better about him? And
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I don't have concerns. I very much
Speaker 1: have concerns. I echo a lot of what you said
Speaker 1: about the tackle position. Yeah, but Isaiah Winn just didn't
Speaker 1: have it last year, and their right tackles were terrible, right,
Speaker 1: and Connor McDermott, like Connor McDermott, was serviceable.
Speaker 3: Connor McDermott saved the day.
Speaker 1: And he was replacement level. Yeah, right, And you know,
Speaker 1: Marcus Cannon loved him when he was at the Patriots,
Speaker 1: was a great player. He's not that guy anymore. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have options. It's almost like the running back thing.
Speaker 1: Although I said worse at running back, I guess I don't,
Speaker 1: but they didn't have the optionense last year. Like there
Speaker 1: was no Damien Harris at the tackle position last year,
Speaker 1: just that sturdy veteran that you know, maybe wasn't great,
Speaker 1: but gotcha there. I guess that's what Connor McDermott was,
Speaker 1: but not to.
Speaker 3: The same I think the I think they hope that
Speaker 3: that's what Riley Reef is.
Speaker 1: I think so, like again, like they didn't have a
Speaker 1: guy like Riley Reef. They didn't have a guy like
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson last year after Trent Brown. You're really just
Speaker 1: going with you know, you're really just kind of hoping
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that Yodney could just Isaiah Win.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Riley Reef or Calvin Anderson is
Speaker 1: necessarily great, but if you're gonna take a lottery ticket,
Speaker 1: I think they're better lottery tickets than what they have
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, So I do feel I don't feel great.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I feel good. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I do still feel better than last year, which maybe
Speaker 1: shows how bad their offensive line was at times last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That it's it's really a it's kind of remarkable
Speaker 3: that and they feel good about this tackle room. They
Speaker 3: told us, They've told us right to our.
Speaker 1: Face, and Macro said it.
Speaker 3: Macro said it, and I think that, you know, Belichick
Speaker 3: said it too when he he mentioned that all the
Speaker 3: offensive additions in free agency and they didn't really add
Speaker 3: to the defense and free agency and that's why you
Speaker 3: got the defensive picks at the top of the draft
Speaker 3: instead of offense. But in general, they feel good about
Speaker 3: this tackle. I think that they think that they're better
Speaker 3: on paper there than maybe the outside noise suggests. I'm
Speaker 3: willing to give them the benefit of the doubt going
Speaker 3: into the year because maybe they know something that we
Speaker 3: don't shock her, and maybe they they're you know, seeing
Speaker 3: it differently, shocker, and I'll give them the benefit of doubt.
Speaker 3: But on paper, from the outside looking in, it looks
Speaker 3: like a group that has a lot of names but
Speaker 3: doesn't really have a lot of guys that you can
Speaker 3: fully count on. If you were to configure, they're starting
Speaker 3: five right now on the offensive line, I think is
Speaker 3: the best way to do. You know who's starting at center,
Speaker 3: you know who's starting at left guard, and barring something
Speaker 3: weird happening, you probably know who's starting at right guard too.
Speaker 1: And when I say one of the guys who's starting
Speaker 1: on the right side, And when.
Speaker 3: I says starting at right guard, barring something weird happening,
Speaker 3: I mean if on when who ends up being some
Speaker 3: sort of a trade situation, which I don't think is
Speaker 3: going to happen. You know who's starting at right guard,
Speaker 3: and I think you know that Trent is starting at
Speaker 3: one of the tackle spots. That other tackle spot's wide open.
Speaker 3: It could be you could tell me right now it
Speaker 3: would be Riley Relief, Ryley, Riley Reef.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a tough one.
Speaker 3: You could tell me that it was gonna be City
Speaker 3: Soal at this point, you could tell me it would
Speaker 3: be Mike gon Winnu and they're gonna play one of
Speaker 3: the rookies at guard right, Like you could tell me
Speaker 3: all sorts of different configurations and I would believe you.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's necessarily a great day.
Speaker 3: And this is the one sort of biggest i'd say,
Speaker 3: maybe even more so than wide receiver that I have
Speaker 3: with their current roster, is I want an offensive line
Speaker 3: Like I missed the days when week out into camp
Speaker 3: alex and we just knew who the starting offensive line was, right,
Speaker 3: those were the days like that that was That's what
Speaker 3: you want because you don't want to talk about your
Speaker 3: offensive line. If you're talking about your offensive line more
Speaker 3: times than not, it's because it's a weakness. You don't
Speaker 3: usually talk about an offensive line. That's that doesn't give
Speaker 3: you a lot of reasons to talk about them. So
Speaker 3: we'll see what ends up happening. Hopefully they're right and
Speaker 3: we're all wrong about the tackles and ends up being good.
Speaker 3: These rookies are interesting players, though I did uh Jake
Speaker 3: Andrews and Antonio Maffi. We have profiles up on them now.
Speaker 3: We talked to some of their coaches, Mike did City Sow.
Speaker 3: But with Jake Andrews, I think a couple of things
Speaker 3: just quickly that his coach has told me about him.
Speaker 3: He's a really really good high school wrestler, Like I
Speaker 3: love that All American and state champion in Alabama.
Speaker 1: Copan, the one who was the college wrestler.
Speaker 3: Well Steven Neils Steven, So he was an all time
Speaker 3: uh you know, kind of almost like a legend wrestling
Speaker 3: in in Alabama. And it was a really good offensive
Speaker 3: lineman to All State all that kind of stuff in Alabama,
Speaker 3: so all state football, and uh he went to Troy,
Speaker 3: which I get isn't It's not Alabama, it's not Georgia.
Speaker 3: I get that. But he's got that that wrestling not
Speaker 3: only from a technique standpoint that he's got that you know,
Speaker 3: understands rules of engagement and leverage and like all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, but he's also just got that like
Speaker 3: snarl and that that grittiness and that toughness. He's a
Speaker 3: really strong, stout player, and I think that he's definitely
Speaker 3: gonna be somebody that factors in that center in the
Speaker 3: long term. And I look at Antonio Maffi basically a
Speaker 3: carbon copy of Mike on Winnu from a body type standpoint,
Speaker 3: how he's built played nose tackle, switched over to guard
Speaker 3: now plays guard really just block of a man like this,
Speaker 3: massive dude, powerful, strong, a lot like Mike on winning.
Speaker 3: So I can see where they're going with all those picks.
Speaker 3: So we'll see what ends up happening interior scene. They
Speaker 3: might have the best interior line depth in the league
Speaker 3: after taking three of them in the draft, Like nobody's
Speaker 3: got more guards in the Patriots, So we'll see how
Speaker 3: that ends up happening really quickly before we sign off, Alex,
Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on Tom Brady coming back for
Speaker 3: the Patriots? Said opener, home opener. It sounds like it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a weak one. Sounds like rumored, not confirmed. Well,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be the home opener whatever it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it sounds like that's gonna be in week one, is
Speaker 3: what I was getting at. Okay, Tom Brady coming back,
Speaker 3: the prodigal Sun returning, how do you feel about it?
Speaker 1: I mean, you remember when we were doing shows, when
Speaker 1: when we first started working together and he left. My
Speaker 1: whole thing with him leaving was like I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: mind watching him in another uniform.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My issue was you only get Peyton right, where Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning's now more part of the Broncos than the Colts,
Speaker 1: even though he, you know, is the greatest player in
Speaker 1: Colt's history. Yeah, And I was like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to lose Brady in that sense. I want him to
Speaker 1: be a Patriot for life. And look, we're probably gonna
Speaker 1: have to share him with Tampa to some extent one
Speaker 1: where or the other. But coming back for something like
Speaker 1: this is big. I'm glad he's doing it. I'm really
Speaker 1: glad he's doing it. So I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really fun day, you know. Hopefully they
Speaker 1: play up to it. Yeah. The other question here is
Speaker 1: like do they wear to throwback uniforms? And then do
Speaker 1: we because they normally give the guy the jersey, right,
Speaker 1: they'll give him the current jersey, they won't give him
Speaker 1: the one with like the silver shoulders, right the dynasty era.
Speaker 1: Do we get to see him in the pat Patriot
Speaker 1: throwback one last time? That could be cool? So No,
Speaker 1: I'm super excited for It's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's doing it. I'm glad the team's doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Robber Craft seemed super excited about it on NFL Network
Speaker 1: this morning, which I mean, of course he is, but
Speaker 1: like it was kind of cool to see that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it felt like a high school union. So looking forward
Speaker 1: to better than the high school re union, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But that, like, I think a couple of things.
Speaker 1: When you see these people hanging out together, you haven't
Speaker 1: seen hung out together in years, and it's like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like I imagine how my parents feel
Speaker 3: when my high school friends like come back around, Like
Speaker 3: you know, if we're like all home for things that's
Speaker 3: good or something like that, and like, you know, the
Speaker 3: people my high school friends that like grew up in
Speaker 3: my house as kids and stuff like that, my parents
Speaker 3: get all excited when they when those people are around
Speaker 3: really quickly. With Brady, I guess two things for me.
Speaker 3: One and it's great that we are opening the door
Speaker 3: to him being a part of the Patriots again with this. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's not gonna be the only thing. It's certainly I
Speaker 3: don't even think it's gonna be the biggest thing. I
Speaker 3: think that there's gonna be bigger monumental type of moments
Speaker 3: or ceremonies, you know, Patriots Hall Fame.
Speaker 1: Jersey Craft said kind of that, right, yeah, Jersey retirement,
Speaker 1: this is you don't think that retires Jersey when he's here.
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping that they would.
Speaker 3: I don't know anything, So I just want to put
Speaker 3: that out there because I think sometimes people think that,
Speaker 3: you know, we we know things around here about this
Speaker 3: type of stuff. I don't know anything about that. I
Speaker 3: don't think so I think that this is remember after
Speaker 3: the COVID year, they brought Julian Edelman back and they
Speaker 3: just allowed They just gave him a moment at halftime
Speaker 3: and allowed the Craft. That's what this is, I think
Speaker 3: in theory, So Jersey retirement. I wouldn't rule out them
Speaker 3: announcing that they are retiring his jersey because that's a given.
Speaker 3: It's that's an easy one, right, So I wouldn't rule
Speaker 3: that out. But I think that ideally they have separate
Speaker 3: occasions for all of these things. You know, this is
Speaker 3: just kind of a way to bring bring him back
Speaker 3: and reintroduce him back into the Patriots organization and also
Speaker 3: just to quite frankly show him off right to the fans.
Speaker 3: A little bit and get fans fired up. Then I
Speaker 3: think there's gonna be Jersey retirement, and then there'll be
Speaker 3: Patriots Hall of Fame. Now there could be a situation
Speaker 3: where the Patriots Hall of Fame voting and all it
Speaker 3: might not go through the typical hoops for the Patriots
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I feel like they got to put him in like specially.
Speaker 3: For two reasons. One, it's silly to put Tom Brady
Speaker 3: up against like poor Logan Makings and Bill Parcells in
Speaker 3: a fan vote, because it's just gonna be one hundred.
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, it takes from you. If it's
Speaker 1: Brady against Barcels.
Speaker 3: It'll just be like, it'll be ninety nine percent Brady,
Speaker 3: because some trolls will vote for somebody else just to
Speaker 3: throw off the numbers. But obviously he's gonna win in
Speaker 3: a absolute landslide in a fan vote. So it's kind
Speaker 3: of unfair almost in a way to put two guys
Speaker 3: up against him in a fan vote like they traditionally do.
Speaker 3: And then secondly, he does deserve it, of course, to
Speaker 3: be you know, just put right in and not gone
Speaker 3: through the whole voting process. So I think that's in
Speaker 3: play I think that there will be some sort of
Speaker 3: statue road named after like something like that, right that's
Speaker 3: around the stadium. That's sort of a showing, you know,
Speaker 3: love to Brady in some sort of way, so that
Speaker 3: there'll be a bunch of different check marks here, you know.
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be a lot of different benchmarks
Speaker 3: here of what they're gonna do with him. So that's great.
Speaker 3: But this is to me is really just like the
Speaker 3: first step of hopefully many steps to honor Tom Brady
Speaker 3: from this point on. So that'll be fun. Let's just
Speaker 3: really quickly, really really quickly does do better where it's
Speaker 3: the same rapid fire here. Just to everybody that just
Speaker 3: listened to us talk about seventeen hundred different names for
Speaker 3: an hour and a half, knows where we're at. So quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: we're both. Are we better?
Speaker 1: I said, very, very slightly worse? Worst? I think I
Speaker 1: said same, Okay, I didn't know, same as an option.
Speaker 3: Yeah, better, worse, same?
Speaker 1: All right, just keep going.
Speaker 3: Running backs, I said better.
Speaker 1: You said worse with potential to be better.
Speaker 3: Can you not walk the fence one time? You said?
Speaker 1: You keep saying that's the most walking defence. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: least I admit it out loud wide receiver.
Speaker 3: We're both better noticeably better. Tight ends, were both better.
Speaker 3: Better offensive line, we're both bet better. Yeah they got
Speaker 3: better in some places. Yeah they did get better. See
Speaker 3: how much it matters in a couple of months. But
Speaker 3: we'll be back next week and we'll talk about the
Speaker 3: schedule and it's full capacity once we have it tonight.
Speaker 3: So next week we'll do a schedule recap and go
Speaker 3: over some of the usual things, you know, the the
Speaker 3: meat of the schedule and the bye week and Christmas
Speaker 3: and all that type of stuff, and we'll also do
Speaker 3: a better word same for the defense, which I think
Speaker 3: is a little bit easier quite frankly, than the office.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of names. Defensively, I think it's a
Speaker 3: little bit easier. So we'll do that next week as well.
Speaker 3: But until then, signing off for Alex Bartham, Evan Lazar.
Speaker 3: Thanks for watching and listening everybody, and we'll see you
Speaker 3: guys next Thursday.
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