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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar.

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Speaker 3: Everybody nailed it has always bara.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars Now he did

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Speaker 1: also play no, No, I want you to take that

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Speaker 1: back right now. Don't get sult that's so insulting to

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Speaker 1: Malie Cunningham. He is another. Can we just Danny is

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Speaker 1: closer to me athletically.

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Speaker 3: That can we just have a team where Malik Cunningham

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Speaker 3: is not gonna make or break the season? That's what

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Speaker 3: I think I said after after that, I think that's

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Speaker 3: what you said.

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Speaker 1: Why does Mollie Cunningham have to be a thing?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: Why does it have to matter? Okay, but but there's

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Speaker 1: the difference between do you.

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Speaker 3: Think do you think the Eagles who are on the

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Speaker 3: TV behind me? So that's why I just thought of it.

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Speaker 3: Did you think that Eagles are going into training camp

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Speaker 3: thinking about the UDFA quarterback that they might switch to

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Speaker 3: wide receiver who might switch to running back, and they're

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Speaker 3: going in there saying this guy could be it. This

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Speaker 3: could be the first that puts us over the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: next year. First of all, because they have DeVante Smith

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Speaker 3: and they have Jalen Hurts playing quarterback, so they they

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Speaker 3: have first world problems. This is we're better than this.

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Speaker 3: First of all, we're better than this.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the Eagles quarterback that they might switch

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Speaker 1: to whatever is a quarterback who might switch to tight end.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't drafted, not this year, but he wasn't drafted.

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Speaker 1: His name is Tyree Jackson, who at one point was

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Speaker 1: one of your favorite playoffs. So you would talk about Jackson.

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Speaker 3: He was you buff Cam Newton, Yeah, like he was.

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Speaker 3: He was that level.

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Speaker 1: There's somewhere out there in the internet. I don't have

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Speaker 1: the picture anymore. Somewhere on Twitter. Something is a picture

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Speaker 3: And it's kind of like the people that have seen

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Speaker 3: like the Trent Brown Mike Reese photo. It's similar to.

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Speaker 1: That, but it's better because you don't have the steps tool.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, I don't think anybody's sitting here

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Speaker 1: saying Malie Cunningham is gonna make or break this season.

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Speaker 1: But he's a fun story. Yes he is. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry it is. It is a fun story. He's a

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Speaker 1: very athletic guy, totally unknown how they're gonna use him.

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Speaker 1: It's a little interesting. It's a lot, Evan, you know

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Speaker 1: this as well as anybody. Do you know what's interesting

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Speaker 1: out It's a long spring, it's a long training camp.

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Speaker 1: You can't just talk about the top ten players on

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Speaker 1: the roster. You gotta find those other stories.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but do you know what's interesting? Keishan Butte is

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Speaker 3: interesting to Mario Douglas is interesting, Evan, there's Wily Cunningham

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Speaker 3: is not interesting. Thirty days of training camp. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: get another six spring practices, three preseason games.

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Speaker 1: The indoor practice is gonna be the schedule tonight. There's

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Speaker 1: plenty of time. We got a lot of time to

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Speaker 1: talk about a lot of players. Nobody's saying we can't

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about a lot of players to day.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna preview kind of the reset, I think is

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Speaker 3: idea that I think Mike Reese did it first, so

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Speaker 3: good idea we're going to do. We're gonna do offense

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Speaker 3: offense this week, defense next week. We will touch a

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Speaker 3: little bit on some schedule stuff. We're in kind of

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Speaker 3: a we're in a little bit of a gray area here,

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Speaker 1: And well, look, the reality is, and we truly appreciate

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Speaker 1: everybody who watches the pod live or listens to it live,

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Speaker 3: So right, and it's not exactly it doesn't have a

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Speaker 3: So a couple of things about the schedule. First of all,

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Speaker 1: Not that I call it schedule sudoku.

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Speaker 3: That the fact that I don't need to worry about

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonna say that worked on our schedule release,

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of the people that were involved.

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Speaker 3: And the second, the last thing I'll say about the

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Speaker 1: So every year, the only thing I want from schedule release,

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Speaker 1: week fourteen. I can't wait for that, so but like

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Speaker 1: So I can't wait for that. You going, I don't

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Speaker 3: Do I have to go? You should go.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. I was there last. Everybody should go. It

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Speaker 3: You're kind of company.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that December ninth, Week fourteen. Yeah, in theory,

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Speaker 1: you could have back to back, like they could play

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Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I whatever the way the schedule is structured, Bill is

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm horrible, all right. So we'll keep an eye

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Speaker 3: on Twitter, as we always do. If there is an official,

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: So, I know Todd in North Carolina said at last week,

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Speaker 2: interested to hear how you guys would evaluate Mac and

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Speaker 2: And if you feel like Max with Bill O'Brien, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, Patty. It's a good segue that

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Speaker 3: read I'm gonna read off everybody on the roster so

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Speaker 3: that everybody knows all the names. I think everybody knows

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Speaker 3: the names on this one. Mac Jones, Bailey Zappy, Trace

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Speaker 1: Until we see him run around. I think he's a quarterback,

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Speaker 3: They're better or worse when it's it's basically the same

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Speaker 3: mentioned Bill O'Brien and kind of getting back to twenty

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Speaker 3: the names of the names, like the players themselves, are

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Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I wasn't thinking about it in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree here, what you're soa They ask me,

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Speaker 3: how much does that matter? I'm gonna I don't know

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Speaker 3: should have mattered. Brian Hoyer to me feels like somebody

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Speaker 3: too many questions.

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Speaker 1: Who's them?

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Speaker 1: I think the other quarterbacks appreciated having him there. Let

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that, Okay, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: That's fair, But yeah, I don't wouldn't necessarily say it

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Speaker 1: Having Brian Hoyer in that room, a veteran quarterback who's

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Speaker 1: How much value you can say, it's not a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. But and again i'm parsing here, like really

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Speaker 1: Right? Like if I have to pick one, you know how,

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Speaker 1: I also try to do the outside of the box Amsons.

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Speaker 1: They don't have it anymore. That's pretty much Yet. I

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Speaker 1: like what McSorley, and we'll see with Cunningham bring his

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Speaker 3: That's fair. That's fair. I didn't really think of it

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Speaker 1: Not to be here, But I don't think it was

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say I I am and you you so

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Speaker 3: That's it, okay, So so we don't get too caught

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Speaker 1: In the summer. But the most we did it with

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Speaker 1: Right, I think they're gonna go back and forth, and

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Speaker 3: That's how they got us though.

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Speaker 1: Well, but even though Mack was running more reps, he

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little less clear this year because you

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Speaker 1: and Bailey's Appy's throwing to you know, Trey Nixon, right, Well, okay,

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Speaker 3: And I would also say a dead giveaway for people

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Speaker 3: If it's Jake Andrews or it's co Russiers James Farrence,

438
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 3: and David Andrews is attached to Mac Jones as himp

439
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Speaker 3: as the only center that snapping the ball to Mac

440
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 3: Jones all summer long, then we know who's QB one,

441
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 3: right like that, those are the types of things that

442
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 3: we look for as well. I actually come on the

443
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 3: other side of this. I think that this is gonna

444
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 3: be and this is just gut. I have no inside information,

445
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 3: but I think that this is gonna be a commitment

446
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 3: to Mac Jones at least to start the season. And

447
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 3: I think the only way that you can properly do that.

448
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 3: And I say that because, let's face it, we both

449
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 3: talked about this enough, but they did not properly handle

450
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 3: the position last year, right. The only way that you

451
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,479
Speaker 3: can properly commit to Mac Jones in the summer and

452
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 3: really try to hit the ground running and basically act

453
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 3: like last year didn't happen and just kind of make

454
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 3: it feel as much as you can, like you're picking

455
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Speaker 3: up from the end of twenty twenty one and you're

456
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Speaker 3: going into you know, a fake year. You're two, but

457
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 3: year three is to really just go down that road

458
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 3: and not make it as any sort of question. Now,

459
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 3: I think that that's how it's gonna start. If Mac

460
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 3: Jones gets into the regular season and struggles, then I

461
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 3: think that that will open the door for Bailey Zappy.

462
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 3: But I think it's mac Jones's job to lose. I

463
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 3: think it's his job to lose for the time being.

464
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 3: I think year three of Mac Jones with Bill O'Brien

465
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Speaker 3: here is a big year for the organization to figure

466
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Speaker 3: out what they have in mac Jones. So I don't

467
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a truly full scale competition

468
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Speaker 3: of any sort in training camp, and I think that

469
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Speaker 3: they're committed to Mac. I think that Bill Belichick tried

470
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Speaker 3: to when Greg Bdard asked him during the draft, it

471
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Speaker 3: was it bouquets of flowers, throw it at mac Jones

472
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 3: and no, not necessarily, but I do think that he

473
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Speaker 3: tried to say some things to kind of squash a

474
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Speaker 3: little bit of that, you know. And I think that

475
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a real quick, clear message once you

476
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Speaker 3: get out to camp. And the last thing I'll say

477
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 3: about the quarterbacks, and you can weigh in on this too,

478
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 3: but I feel really strongly about this. Isn't that what

479
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: you want? Like as a Patriots fan, isn't what you

480
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 3: want is for us to get out there, even in

481
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 3: the spring, even in a couple of weeks and see

482
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Speaker 3: Mac Jones like commanding things like Mac Jones being a leader,

483
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 3: Mac Jones having that swagger back, having that remember even

484
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: before I know everybody and I myself include sometimes falls

485
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 3: into this, Travis saying Mac wasn't on board with what

486
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: was going on last year from the jump in the

487
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 3: spring he was. He was kind of bouncing around. Remember

488
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 3: he's making some good downfield throws, obviously without pads and

489
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 3: a live pass rush. And then we all learned as

490
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: soon as the pads came on in August that kind

491
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: of went out the door. But isn't that what you want?

492
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: Don't you want Mac to take the QB one job

493
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Speaker 3: by the reins and the bowl by the horns, whatever

494
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 3: you know, cliche you want to use and not have

495
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 3: question marks about that position. I feel like that's a

496
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: big thing for me. Is like a lot of people,

497
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 3: I think just love the drama, and I get that

498
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: we're in that business right of the drama feeds the beast.

499
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: But isn't it better as a Patriot fan than Mac

500
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 3: Jones actually works out and has a good year and

501
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: like is the man from the jump and there's no

502
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Speaker 3: questions and we're not in August talking about quarter because

503
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: if we're in August talking about quarterback competitions, and this

504
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 3: is my whole take on this, Right, they don't have

505
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: a quarterback. Right, Guess what, they don't have a quarterback.

506
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: It's not Bailey Zappy, it's they don't have a quarterback.

507
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: So I hope that Mac Jones proves that they do

508
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Speaker 3: have a quarterback. That's that's what I'm optimistic about.

509
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Speaker 1: It's the easiest path forward.

510
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hope that's the case. So that's your quarterbacks.

511
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: You think it's gonna be a little bit of competition

512
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Speaker 3: though you think that door is is old.

513
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Speaker 1: I think they want it to be. I think Mac

514
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Speaker 1: can win it, but I think they want it to be. Yeah,

515
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: you think we've gone through this whole summer and they're

516
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Speaker 1: gonna come out and Max's gonna be the young question

517
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: starter or sorry, this whole winter of.

518
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Speaker 3: I like to think that cooler heads will prevail. Maybe

519
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 3: that's just the optimist in me, but I like to

520
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: think that cooler heads are gonna prevail. And what you

521
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 3: just mentioned, it's the cleanest path, it's the cleanest path forward.

522
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: And I think last year and I hope that they

523
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: would agree. Last year, the Bailey Zappi, the Zappi fever.

524
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: Let's face it, Zappi fever did nobody any favors. It

525
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 3: did nobody any favors. It didn't make the team better,

526
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: It didn't make Mac Jones better, It didn't make any

527
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: of it better. It caused drama, and quite frankly more

528
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: importantly internally, it caused friction. Right, So that did nobody

529
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: any good. So going and setting up that again, and

530
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: I think that was what was so bonkers about the

531
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: situation last year. We always go back to the Chicago game.

532
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: They set it up like they did it to themselves

533
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: to an extent to create all the noise about the quarterbacks.

534
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

535
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: So avoiding that this year by you know, coming out

536
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: in camp and kind of putting the weight behind Mac Jones,

537
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: I think is important. All right, let's move on to

538
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: the running backs. And if you want to weigh in,

539
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: eight five five, Pats five hundred is the phone number

540
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: you can email in web radio at Patriots dot com.

541
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: And uh, we'll love your opinion on all this this stuff.

542
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: And I know some people acus don't feel the same

543
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: way I do about Mac Jones. They want to see

544
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 3: they want to see the competition, so maybe maybe you

545
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: feel that way. All right, Uh, moving on to running backs,

546
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: This one was interesting because there is some turnover here,

547
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a little bit more significantly than the

548
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: top of the quarterback depth chart, Grimandra Stevenson, the guy

549
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 3: we just spoke to this morning, James Robinson, Pierre Strong,

550
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 3: Kevin Harris, Time Montgomery, and JJ Taylor. So historically speaking

551
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: obvioust they keep four running backs.

552
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, four guys. It's been three a time, so because

553
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: they'll throw somebody in the practice squad.

554
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Speaker 3: But four guys I think is safe to assume out

555
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: of this group because I think there are gonna be

556
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: four rosterable running backs to come out of this group.

557
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: We know Ramondre Stevenson's a lock. I would like to

558
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: think we can confidently say that Pierre Strong is probably

559
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: a lock too, just because of his draft status last

560
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: year and cutting a fourth round pick in year two

561
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: seems a little bit unrealistic. But from there it's really

562
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: anybody's game. And I look at a guy like James Robinson,

563
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 3: who I think could add some things to this team,

564
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 3: and I'm a little you know, I'm interested to see

565
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: what he's got in training camp. I think that he

566
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: could help. James Robinson has basically no guaranteed money given

567
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: to him on his contract. He's a very, for lack

568
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: of a better word, cutable player at the moment. If

569
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: he doesn't look reinvigorated, if he doesn't look like he

570
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: has any juice, he's a player that they could move

571
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: on from pretty easily. So I look at this and

572
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: I think Ramondre Stevenson and Pierre Strong are really the

573
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 3: only two guys that I feel like are definitely going

574
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: to be on this team. I think the three and

575
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: four spot are kind of up from grabs at that point,

576
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: so better worse are same At the running back position, I.

577
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: Think worse, you know, starting off, there's a chance they

578
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: end up better because if Pierre Strong emergence is a

579
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: pass catching back, now you don't have to run Ramondra

580
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: Stevenson in the ground like they did last year, so

581
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: he's fresher down the stretch. You have a good pass

582
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: catching back. If Kevin Harris develops, you have that, you know,

583
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: bowling ball short yardage, secondary, early down back behind Ramandre

584
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: and then you just need one of James robinsoner Time

585
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: Montgomery to develop as an option right as just a

586
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: depth player, and I don't think any of that's unrealistic.

587
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: But coming in they lost Damien Harris, they don't have

588
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: a clear cut pass catching back. They have candidates between

589
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: Strong and Robinson and Montgomery, but that's got to be

590
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: sorted out. So I'll say initially they're worse, but there's

591
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: upside there. That's kind of where I'm at with it.

592
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that I don't want to say they're

593
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: better because I do feel like Damien Harris was a

594
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: good patriot and I don't want to undersell him in

595
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: terms of what he brought to the table. I know

596
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: he was injured a lot the last couple of years,

597
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 3: especially last year, that that hurt right, that that hurt

598
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: his patriot tenure. I actually love I criticized their roster

599
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: management a lot. I actually really love how they handle

600
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: running backs. I think they do it exactly how you

601
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: should do it. For the most part, third and fourth

602
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: round picks, recycle them every three or four years. Never

603
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: get married to any of these guys, right, You never

604
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: you know, commit you know, big money dollars or years

605
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: to a running back. I think that they do a

606
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: nice job of recycling that position because for the most part,

607
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: they understand that that position is replaceable. Like those guys

608
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: are kind of a dime a dozen and you can

609
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: kind of cycle through them. And that's that's what we

610
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: know now in today's NFL and the way that things

611
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: work nowadays. So I like how they handle the running

612
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: backs position. The one guy that I'm really bullish on,

613
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: I am. I really think Pierre Strong is going to

614
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: be something. I think we saw enough, especially in that

615
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: Era Zone A game obviously, but even in the Raider

616
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: game he had a couple of good carries too, and

617
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: that West Coast swing last year for me to be

618
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: optimistic that Pierre Strong is going to bring something to

619
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: the table. I want to see Pierre Strong on the field.

620
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: And I look at a guy like Bill O'Brien and I,

621
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: you know, him, being the coach that he is, he

622
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: loves to think about matchups like how like who's a problem,

623
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: Like who's a matchup weapon, Who's a guy that can

624
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: win foot races or is so quick that a linebacker

625
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: or safety is not going to be able to cover

626
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: them in the slot or you know, coming horizontally across

627
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: the field. This guy is gonna win races this way

628
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: or that way or whatever, and I look at a

629
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: guy like Pierre Strong, and I look at that forty

630
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: time and everything, and I just just get that guy

631
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: the football and try to get that guy into space

632
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: a handful of times a game. It's similar to how

633
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: everybody feels about Marcus Jones or like Taekwon, right, just

634
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: just get the ball in their hands and see what

635
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: they can do with it. I think Pierre Strong is

636
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: going to to be a really good player for them

637
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: this year. I'm optimistic that he is just following in

638
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: a very similar path to a lot of other running

639
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: backs in that mold, right, the Shane Vereens, the James Whites,

640
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: those players, and we'll see him. Your two really take

641
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: off and you.

642
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: Make a good point there. Sorry to cut your nose,

643
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: but I've seen a lot of people say, well, if

644
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: they were good, the Patriots would have played in last year. Yeah,

645
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: not necessarily. I know they needed a running back last year.

646
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: They did. They played Romandre Sevenson way too much. But

647
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: this is just what they do. Even in twenty nineteen,

648
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember who it was, but a couple guys

649
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: got hurt and they still didn't play Damien Harris, who

650
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: was a rookie at the time, Like they I forget

651
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: what they did, but they went out of their way

652
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: to not play rookie Damien Harris, And that was kind

653
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: of the case last year. I feel like they went

654
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: out of their way, right, and.

655
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: Then Zon had good games.

656
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna say, right from what

657
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: we did see, and I'm not saying they're gonna both

658
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: come in and be Pro Bowlers right right, right, but

659
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: from what we saw, I'd say they they handled themselves.

660
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: They looked at the least capable. Yeah, So I don't

661
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: have if you have, like actual football reasons to write

662
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: them off. I guess we could have that discussion call in,

663
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, simply saying well, they didn't play last year,

664
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: so they're not good. That's really not how it generally

665
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: works in New England. If you're a rookie running back,

666
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: unless you were picked in the first round or your

667
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: name's were Andre Stevenson, you don't play. You mentioned James

668
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: White fourteen touches as a rookie, Yeah, and I remember

669
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: people were riding him.

670
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: On Stoverreen was similar, right, Like.

671
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Here's a couple more. I think he had like fifteen.

672
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: But he didn't play a ton.

673
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: He didn't play a ton as a rookie. But the

674
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: James White one I always go back to because I

675
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: remember people were thinking like that, you're the use of

676
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: whatever it was, third fourth round pick on this guy

677
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: doesn't play as a bust ye as a fourth round

678
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, we could barely get on the field last year.

679
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: They turned out okay.

680
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm optimistic about Pierre Strong, and I think

681
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: that in general, you gotta hope that at least one

682
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: of those guys Harris or Strong ends up being a

683
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: good player for you that should at least, at the

684
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: very least be able to back up and spell Ormandra Stevenson. Right,

685
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: because if you go back and look at the draft

686
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: last year running back, if those guys can't play, then

687
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: they missed badly at that spot. I mean, it's not

688
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: just Isaiah Pacheco in the seventh round. Oh that was

689
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: my guy, right, So you know the guy down in

690
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: Houston was a damn Damian here peers right around that

691
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: range too. There's a bunch of guys there, and if

692
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 3: they got one of the guys that can't play, and

693
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: I'm not I think Pierre Strong can play I think

694
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: Pierre Strong can play too, so I'm not saying that

695
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: he can't, but if they got one of those guys

696
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: that can't play, then we got some questions to ask.

697
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: So they Pierce was not on the board for them,

698
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: at least they took Pierre Strong in the fourth round,

699
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: like late fourth round. He went early. They missed Hassan

700
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: Haskins for Michigan, who's good, but not that kind of player.

701
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: Tyler Aljeer from BYU, I mean, these are power backs,

702
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: these aren't receiving backs, but they're both good players. A

703
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: couple more went than they took Kevin Harris, Tyler Batty

704
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: I liked, he's in the USFL now though, Trestan Ebner

705
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: I liked. I think he's yeah, he's still on the Bears,

706
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: and uh, who else? And then Isaiah pe Go in

707
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: the seventh.

708
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: Round, right, So I guess Isaiah, but Checko is really

709
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: the one.

710
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: Especially everybody missed him, but that's the one.

711
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: Pierre Strong and Isaiah Pacheco, they both had tied for

712
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: the fastest forty in the draft, right and running back,

713
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: so if you're looking for that speedback that those were

714
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: kind of your option. So it was sort of him

715
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: or it was Checko, But I'm not going down that

716
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: road because I think he can play. Montgomery and James

717
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: Robinson I think are interesting players for different reasons. I

718
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: think Montgomery is sort of this mythical creature to a

719
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 3: lot of Patriots fans because frankly, we we hyped him

720
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: up a lot in the in the training camp get

721
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: it out training camp last year, he had a good camp,

722
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of time. Yeah, there's a lot

723
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: of talk about him being a contributor and somebody that

724
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: was going to step in, maybe not on a James

725
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: White level of production, but maybe something like a Brandon

726
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: Bolden level of production, right, somebody that could at least

727
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: hold down that receiving back role. And he had some

728
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: versatility because he played wide receiver and running back in

729
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: his career in Green Bay and New Orleans had a

730
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: similar system the way they use their running backs in

731
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: the past game with some conversion there from from his

732
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: year before that. So I still am not completely out

733
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 3: on time Montgomery being a contributor, and I think James

734
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: Robinson the biggest question with him. It's kind of similar

735
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: when we get to wide receiver here in a second week.

736
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, good calls, splitting up offensive defense, cut to forty

737
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: and we haven't even gotten a receiver Kishan Butte.

738
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: It's about injury, right, Like James Robinson tore his achilles

739
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 3: two years ago, you hope that a year and a

740
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: half removed from that achilles, he's gonna get the juice back.

741
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: But last year with the Jags and the Jets, quite frankly,

742
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: he did not have the juice. He did, he just

743
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: didn't have any any burst to his run his running game. Yeah,

744
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: So if he's not gonna have that, then I think

745
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: that he could be somebody that ends up not making

746
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: this team simply just because he he just doesn't have

747
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: it right right now, A guy like Kevin Harris I

748
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: think should make the team over both those guys that

749
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: I just mentioned as well.

750
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: The other thing you have to remember, and this is

751
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: like the whole new thing that's really changed the way

752
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: we do roster projections. Who do they have the best

753
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: shot at getting on the practice squad, Because even if

754
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: Kevin Harris is a better player, they might have a

755
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: better shot at waiving him getting into the practice squad

756
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: and then they can elevate him versus a guy like

757
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: James Robinson who they might lose if they can James Robinson.

758
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm just using those two. You can

759
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: throw a Time Montgomery in there.

760
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: If he's in year five, correct, so he might be

761
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: a vested VET at this point, so he might not

762
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: pass through waivers. Time Montgomery definitely doesn't have to pass

763
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: through waivers.

764
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: So Thig Robinson would.

765
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: It's it's four or five years. I always forget how

766
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: many years it is.

767
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: It's some of it. It's not years. It's like playing time,

768
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: it's a whole thing.

769
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: So anyways, the biggest thing to me with the running

770
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: back position, I'm gonna say, Jen, I'm gonna say same

771
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: from last year. I think it's different, certainly because Pierre

772
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: Strong is a much different runner than David.

773
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Different, but it's the same.

774
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: It's different in terms of their skill set, I know.

775
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: But I'm optimistic that Pierre Strong is going to bring

776
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: a good element, like something that they could you really

777
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: utilize with his ability to his speed and even his

778
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: agility in the open field, like we saw him make

779
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: some really devastating cuts as well. He's quick and he's

780
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: got some suddenness to his movements. So I'm really excited

781
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: to see what he brings to the table. And I

782
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: think that they still have a really good running back room.

783
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: I still think that's the strength of this team. Let's

784
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: do tight ends really quickly and then we'll take some

785
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: calls and we'll spend the next forty five minutes on

786
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: the wide receivers and the offensive line, which, by the way,

787
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: I think they have sixteen offensive line.

788
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: With the offensive line and linebackers, that's like half the

789
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: ross sixteen.

790
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: It's unreal tight ends. So in my initial projection, I'll

791
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: read the tight ends off first, Hunter, Henry, Mi, Kasiki,

792
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: Matt Sokele Scotti, Washington, and your guy Johnny Lumpkin.

793
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: I think that's our guy after last week, don't think.

794
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 3: So those are your tight ends right now. My roster

795
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: projection last week I did, and I know you did

796
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: one too, only had Hunter, Henry and Kasiki on the

797
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: final roster. That's what they did last year with Johnny

798
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: and Henry, and they only have those two guys that

799
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: made the initial fifty three. To me, it feels like

800
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: the same thing, where those are two veteran guys that

801
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: you invested some money in, you invested resources in. Those

802
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 3: are the two guys that are gonna play assuming they're healthy.

803
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: Nobody else is. I know you like Johnny Lumpkin, Alex,

804
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: but Johnny ump I had them on. Johnny Lumpkin is

805
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: not is not taking away playing time for Mike Kasicki

806
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: or Hunter Henry.

807
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. We both know the

808
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: utf A streak is important to them that they keep

809
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: that going nineteen years ago for a reason.

810
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: I kind of hope it's not like I kind of

811
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 3: hope it's like.

812
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: What Takobe Meyer said as a rookie that I think

813
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: you're the one who asked him this question that a

814
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: big part of the reason he signed in New England

815
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: was they had you think it's important to them because

816
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: it gravitates towards you know, he helps the crude essentially.

817
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's important, but oh, we've got to

818
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: do this because it's cool. I think because they can

819
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: go to a guy and say, nineteen years in a row,

820
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: you've had a rook and look they've kind of, you know,

821
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: maneuvered it in the past, like remember the year that

822
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: quin Quinordine and Nick Folk technically on the roster, right,

823
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: I think it's something they care about who's the most

824
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: They got three guys, Jordan, Heli, Malik Cunningham, who you hate,

825
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: you don't hate. I don't say that Jordan Jordan, he

826
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: like Malik Cunningham and Johnny Lunkin. Realistically, of those three,

827
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: who's the most likely to make the roster?

828
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? I look, I think that there is definitely an argument,

829
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 3: And I would say, just for better words same, I

830
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: would say better because I think inherently speaking production wise,

831
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: like how is how is Mike SICKI worse than Johnny's?

832
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: So I think they're better Kasicki's an upgrade. Yeah, I

833
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: also think they might like Scotty Washington. And I'm not

834
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: saying that overly shifts it. But if you get you know,

835
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: you elevate him off the past squad for a couple

836
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: of games. He gives you something.

837
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: He's a really interesting like he's huge, he's yeah, and

838
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: he's athletic. No here, there's a lot of interesting a

839
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: little bit. So I'm not saying he's gonna come in

840
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: and make it difference again. Elevated for a couple games,

841
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 3: he gave you something.

842
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: But the thing with Lumpkin to me is I don't

843
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: think he's gonna take playing time away from Hunter Henry

844
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: or Mike Sicky. But what happens when you get in

845
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: the red zone and you want to go with that

846
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: big formation. Plus he plays special teams, They'll find a

847
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: role for him. It's not going to be expansive. But again,

848
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: of those three guys, Heleigue is just special team. He's

849
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: not going to help you on defense or offense. Malie

850
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: Cunningham's role is going to be have to be highly

851
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: specialized or you get a blocking tight end who will

852
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: help you cover kicks. So it's it's easy.

853
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: The thing that you just mentioned about is blocking, I

854
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: think is important because I look at this group right now. Yeah,

855
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: and if there's I don't I'm I'm not going to

856
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: call people out by names. I'm not going to do it.

857
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: There's some people that feel like John new Smith was

858
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: a really good blocker. I'm not necessarily in that school.

859
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: I think he was a adequate NFL blocker, like he

860
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: was starting caliber in that category. Do I think he

861
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: was on the scale of starting to Rob Gronkowski. He's

862
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: definitely just more towards the starting side of things, right,

863
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 3: But he would he could hold his own in that respect.

864
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 3: Neither Hunter Henry Nor. Mika Sicki gives you much in

865
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: that regard, and I think that Mikasicki will be a

866
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: better blocker here than he has been in the past

867
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 3: because I think two things. One, I think they'll demand

868
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: it out of him. I think Bill O'Brien will demand

869
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: it out of him, and Bill will too. And secondly,

870
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: he's on He signed a one year contract for a

871
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 3: guy that's been like, this is a really proven year

872
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: for him, So I think he's gonna go out there

873
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 3: and he's gonna give it as all in all phases,

874
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: but it all doesn't mean that he's all of a

875
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 3: suddenly going to become you know, Mark Bavarro right Like,

876
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 3: he's still gonna have a some short So it's a

877
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: little bit of a low key hole in the roster.

878
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and say that it's

879
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: the most important thing in the world, but a little

880
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: bit of a low key hole in this roster right

881
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: now is they don't have a true difference making in

882
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 3: line blocking tight end and they don't have a fullback,

883
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: so they don't really have that in their repertoire. Like

884
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: if they have to go into a period of the

885
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: season where they really need to pound the rock and

886
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: run the football effectively. They don't really have that. They

887
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: don't have that guy. They don't have a traditional full

888
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: back like a James Devil or a Yakub Johnson. They

889
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: don't have like a versatile blocker more like a John

890
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: new Smith. They don't have the hand in the dirt,

891
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: you know, third tackle tight end. So the question is,

892
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: I guess they have sixteen offensive linemen, So can one

893
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 3: of those offenses. Do they do more tackle eligible stuff

894
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: and do they get away with it that way or

895
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: does somebody like your boy Johnny Lumpkin make the roster

896
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: as a you know, Michael Kumamana.

897
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: Even if I think I got it, I think I

898
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: nailed that just for a couple of weeks. Even if

899
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, something that he comes on and then

900
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: they have to pull somebody off. I r right, start

901
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: season whatever. But he'sn'ta be around. I think he's gonna

902
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: be around. I think he's gonna play.

903
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: I do. I'm really That's the one thing that I

904
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: I I know a lot of people are surprised they

905
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: didn't draft a tight end with tight end one upside,

906
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: you know, like a Darnell Washington or a Tucker Craft

907
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: or something like that. What I'm what I'm like so

908
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: surprised about is if they didn't even take one of

909
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: those guys that was more of like a specialized blocking

910
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: tight end. A little bit later, Yeah, you know, they

911
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: just completely passed on the position altogether. Maybe it's Johnny Lumkin.

912
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: Maybe I tell you, I think that's he. I think

913
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 3: he makes the team.

914
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: I really do. I think he makes the team.

915
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: I just keep going back to like if you go

916
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: into the week and it's Tuesday, and you feel like,

917
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: all right, we're playing this defense that's fast.

918
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 1: Look at week one or what we think is gonna

919
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: be it's rumored to be Week one.

920
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe them. But you go into the week and

921
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: you're just like, this defense is undersized. It's fast, but

922
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: they're light, and we want to just run them over.

923
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 3: Like that's how we're going to play this game. I

924
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: guess twenty eighteen Super Bowl run right, Like we're just

925
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: going to run these people over. How do they really

926
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: get into that personnel right now with the tight ends

927
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: that they have Johnny lump with the last lack of

928
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: full back, Like, how do they really do that? That's

929
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: the game plan. Maybe it's Johnny Umpkin. All right, let

930
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: me take some of these calls and then we'll do

931
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: the the meaty positions at the wide receivers in the

932
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: old line. Max and SEACNK. What's up? Max?

933
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: Hi doing?

934
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: Guys?

935
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 6: Really enjoy you guys working together. Hoppy, you guys got

936
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 6: on catch twenty two after your upgrade there, Evan, I

937
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 6: thank you. Question for you guys. I know that Evan,

938
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 6: you are sorry. Alex you and you mentioned this with

939
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 6: Mike Kadlick. The line for mac Jones is four thousand

940
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 6: yards this season. I think something that everyone's missing is

941
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 6: that if you average out mac Jones over seventeen games

942
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 6: last year, he was only down about one hundred and

943
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 6: fifty five yards. Curious you guys thoughts.

944
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: Thanks, no problem. So this is definitely a Catholic angle

945
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: his lines. His line is four thousand yards passing.

946
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: Thousand yards, twenty five touchdowns. That's a lot. That's the

947
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: over under on the touchdowns twenty five. That's a lot.

948
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: I mean last year he had what.

949
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: Twenty one, but it was in fewer games.

950
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 3: He had twenty one passing touchdowns last year.

951
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: It sounds right, no, is it less than that I

952
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: feel like it was less than that. Maybe it was

953
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: on pace for twenty one. Anyways, he had pad four teams.

954
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I knew something bad I took. I said

955
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: over on yards under on touchdowns.

956
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: I could see that. I could see that. I like

957
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: we were kind of just talking about. I still feel

958
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: like at their core, and this kind of goes back

959
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: to like Dante's Scarneki and I have and fears and stuff.

960
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: So maybe not so much anymore, but I still think

961
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: at their core they want to be a team that

962
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: when it's like third and two from the goal line,

963
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 3: they can run the ball right like they don't want

964
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: they would rather, in my opinion, they would rather. And

965
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: I think this is some other red zone issues that

966
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: they had last year that they got too far away

967
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: from this. When they get first and goal from the

968
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: five yard line, they'd rather run it three times into

969
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: the end zone right and not have to throw it.

970
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: And I think last year they kind of did get

971
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: a little pass happy down there, and that would be

972
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: a big bonus I think this year of getting back

973
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: to their roots of being a good short yardage running

974
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 3: team and being good in the trenches and Adrian clam

975
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: and Bill O'Brien, Yes.

976
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: No, it's I actually think they're they're okay running in

977
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: from like the five. My figure is shoes like the

978
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: five to the fifteenth.

979
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like mid or high. Red zone numbers are terrible,

980
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: ye last year.

981
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: So and that's why I took the under on touchdowns.

982
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: Think they're gonna get down to like the one or

983
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: two yard line a bunch and.

984
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: Just yeah yeah, all right, So four thousand yards that

985
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: seems like a lot. Now, I guess with the extra

986
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: game it's not. It's not quite as much as it

987
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: used to be, But four thousand yards seems like a lot.

988
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: Was he four thousand his rookie year?

989
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: I think he was like just shorty thirty eight hundred.

990
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: His rookie year. Yeah, doesn't that seem like a lot?

991
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, in theory two hundred yards over seventeen

992
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: games he was that's eleven more yards per game. Yeah,

993
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: that's one more completion and he completed uh sixty seven

994
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: percent of his passes. That's I guess that's pretty high. Yeah. Well, look,

995
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: how about this. We've talked about the and this will

996
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: segue I send the receivers. We've talked about how the

997
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: big difference between Jacobe Myers and Juju Smith. Schuster's that

998
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: yard after catchability and they find eleven more yards per

999
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: game and Juju creating after he catches the ball.

1000
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 3: Out just to say, yeah, if he hits on those

1001
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: marks four and twenty five touchdowns, we're talking about forty

1002
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: billion dollars a year.

1003
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: No, they have a quarterback. No, they have a quarterback.

1004
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're talking about giving back Jones. Daniel Jones said.

1005
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: At beginning, what did Daniel Jones do last year? He's

1006
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: probably yeah, probably pretty compar right, hang on, let's see,

1007
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: they probably just took it right from Daniel Jones' box,

1008
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: probably like four thousand. No, Daniel Jones is actually not

1009
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: even close to that. Last year, Daniel Jones was thirty

1010
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen touchdowns and now he only threw

1011
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: five interceptions and he ran and he ran find like

1012
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards. Yeah, so if you but even if

1013
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: you include the rushing, he didn't get to four thousand parts.

1014
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Eldrid, what's going on?

1015
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 4: Hey man?

1016
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: How you doing good? How are you?

1017
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 4: I'm doing pretty good? Question out at the wide receiver spot.

1018
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 4: Do you think later later going hold of this spot?

1019
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 4: Have a special teamer like he'd been doing, instead of

1020
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: putting somebody in that can play special teams and maybe

1021
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 4: contribute and catching pastes.

1022
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you brought this up, because somebody brought

1023
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: brought this up in my mentions yesterday too. I don't

1024
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it was you, Elder. I think of

1025
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: somebody else. Uh, And I don't understand the thinking like Slate,

1026
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: so you because they're going to carry at least five

1027
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 3: widers receivers, not including Matthew Slater, right, So Matthew Slater's

1028
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: spot is not He's not taking up somebody on the

1029
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: wide receivers depth chart, like he's not. How is he talking?

1030
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 4: They're going to carry specialty but reiver spot.

1031
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: But but they're not carrying Eldred. What if I told

1032
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: you last year Bill Bellich? I think was Bill Belichick.

1033
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: Maybe with Steve Bell Belichick referred to him as a safety.

1034
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: But ultimately what I'm getting at is with Slater, And

1035
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: this is like a real like semantics argument here. They're

1036
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: going to carry five real wide receivers, not including Matthew Slater, right,

1037
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: They're going to carry five guys at the wide receiver position,

1038
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 3: just like every other team. So he's not going to

1039
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: take anybody's spot at the wide receiver position. Like that's

1040
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: like what I can't wrap my head around the spots

1041
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: that he's taking up. Are you know guys that are

1042
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: at the back end of the roster, Like, are we

1043
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: all gonna are we all gonna lose sleep because Matthew

1044
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: Slater is taking you know, Raleigh Webb's roster spot.

1045
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: Right, That's basically what you're talking about here is Roley

1046
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: Webb making the team over Matthew Slater.

1047
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: Right, So they're gonna carry five real wide receivers and

1048
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 3: if they wanted, and now we can get into it

1049
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 3: and thanks for college or because we were gonna segue

1050
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: into this anyways, right, Uh, if they wanted, they could

1051
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 3: carry six, like they could. Matthew Slater is not gonna

1052
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: prevent them from carrying five to six, to four to

1053
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: whatever wide receiver number they want to. They'll figure out

1054
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 3: the numbers with him in the in the equation. And

1055
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 3: if you look at like my roster projection, your roster projection,

1056
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 3: the guys that they are cutting, do you really think

1057
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: that those guys are bringing more to the football team

1058
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: than Matthew Slater like, do you really believe that they

1059
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: especially on game day, like not even talking about Yeah,

1060
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: I get it, Like they could maybe keep an Isaiah

1061
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: Bolden or a mere Speed if you know, one of

1062
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 3: those guys could end up making it, and that's developmental player.

1063
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: But you're developing a mere Speed to hopefully develop into

1064
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: Matthew Slater, right, So unless he's just better than Matthew

1065
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: Slater at this point.

1066
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: Of Slaters than the greatest ever do it?

1067
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1068
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: The only way Slater's not making the team is if

1069
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: he gets in a camp and decides he wants to retire.

1070
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: That's it. He's gonna be here. They want special teams guys.

1071
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: He brings that leadership ability. He's going to be here,

1072
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: all right.

1073
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: So that brings that segues us into wide receivers. They

1074
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 3: currently have seven wide receivers signed after releasing Lynn Bowden yesterday,

1075
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: they have seven.

1076
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: They Juju Smith shoes eight.

1077
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: You have eight? Yeah, who's your eighth? Are you counting

1078
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 3: Rolly web No, Rolly Webb counts as a special teamer,

1079
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: all right, Juju Smith, Schuster, Taekwon Thornton, Devonte Parker, Kendrick Bourne,

1080
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: Kaishan Boudi. But I keep doing that to Mario, Mario

1081
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: Douglas and Tree Nixon.

1082
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: What did you keep calling to Mario Douglas during the

1083
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: Shrine Bray Week? I remember you couldn't get his name right.

1084
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was. Oh, it was Dallas Daniels,

1085
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: who was like he kept getting Dallas Daniels.

1086
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: So tomorrow it was like Zay Flowers, So I'll just

1087
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: do the tears. Zay Flowers with the top tier to

1088
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: Mario Douglas was the second tier and then Dallas Daniels

1089
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: from where was where did you go again.

1090
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: Jackson Jackson?

1091
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: I thought it was Jackson Jackson State was the third

1092
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: tier and the Patriots just say, didn't only practice the

1093
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: one day? So Damrio Douglas and Dallas Daniels were just

1094
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: interchangeable in the slot. And they both had the you know,

1095
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: the little it'll eliteration there we go, Yeah, with the

1096
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: d's and every it just I couldn't do it. Dallas

1097
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: Daniels end up with the cowboys out there you go.

1098
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: So I think this is Elder's point and why he

1099
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: called in, and I get it. In theory, they have

1100
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: six guys that have the talent to be on the

1101
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 3: roster sorry, Trey Nixon. Uh, six guys that have the

1102
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 3: talent to be on the roster with realistically five spots.

1103
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: They could carry six, but they don't normally carry You

1104
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 3: remember what we did last year, and the reason why

1105
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: they don't can normally carry six, just like the reason

1106
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: why they don't normally carry extra bodies elsewhere is you

1107
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: could relate it and say that it is because they

1108
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 3: tee Matthew Slater and they keep Cody Davis, and they

1109
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 3: keep Brendan's right, like they keep the guys that are

1110
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: only going to play the kicking game. But they have

1111
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 3: they have a spot for one of their rookies.

1112
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: Do you remember what we did last year? We had

1113
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: that big debate about who was it? He was Trey Nixon,

1114
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkerson, and little Jordan Humphrey. Ye, And it was

1115
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: three guys for the fifth receiver spot. Yeah, and then

1116
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: they only kept for receivers. Do you remember that? So

1117
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: who knows how many the keep I had six on

1118
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: my first roster projection. There's a way they can do it. Now,

1119
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to be thin somewhere else. I had

1120
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: them then on the defensive line, I had them thinn

1121
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: at corner.

1122
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

1123
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: What helps them is the six guys we're talking about here,

1124
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: who again are and I haven't listed alphabetically, so Kendrick Bourne,

1125
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: Kaishon Butte to Mario doug with Devonte Parker, Juju Smith, Schuster,

1126
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton.

1127
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, those six.

1128
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: Guys all have six pretty different skill sets. If there's

1129
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: one overlap, it's Kendrick Bourne to Kaishon Bute. But the

1130
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: reality is, if Kaishawn Bute plays well enough to earn

1131
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: a roster spot, you can't expose him by waiving him

1132
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 1: because he will get claimed. So unless they're gonna trade

1133
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne, you have Parker, who's really your one true

1134
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: X receiver on the roster. Even the guys were not

1135
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: talking about here, like they don't have a backup, you know,

1136
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: roster fodder.

1137
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: Especially a guy. I mean, you could make the argument

1138
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 3: that somebody like Taekwon could play the X, but in

1139
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: that that body type, they don't have any right exactly.

1140
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: Juju is you know the slot he's made, He's making

1141
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: the tam right, he's making it, but his his skill

1142
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: set is Is there another guy on the team that

1143
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: has the same skill set as the same prototype of

1144
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: Juju Juju Smith Schuster.

1145
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: He's not as uh, he's not as thick, But I

1146
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: think there is some overlap between. Like we just did

1147
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: the slot receiver Shrine Bowl tier is Juju Smith Schuster,

1148
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourn, Kishan Bute, so a little.

1149
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: Bit a little bit of it, but like I think

1150
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: Juju Kishon Bute and for what for the role we

1151
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: think they're gonna play here, Yeah, Kashawan Bute and Kendrick

1152
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: Bourne are not the big slots, the power slots that

1153
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster is right in that regard, you lose

1154
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: that element. Obviously. Taekwon Thornton's the speed guy, Kendrick Bourne

1155
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: is your kind of move wide receiver, and then Douglas

1156
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: is your like speed slot, your shifting slot, or your

1157
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: gadget playget player. Right, So it's not like you look

1158
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: at two guys and say, well, they're both competing. Even

1159
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: if they're competing maybe for one spot, like you said

1160
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: that that fifth receiver, they're different roles, right, There's not

1161
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: a lot where two guys are competing for the same role.

1162
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: So unless Bat is excellent, Born is bad and they

1163
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: can trade them, I think there's a real path to

1164
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: them keeping all six and I think, to go back

1165
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: to the exercise, say better at receiver, and I think noticeably, I.

1166
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: Think they're better at receiver too. I think that I

1167
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: still will pound the table that Juju is an upgrade

1168
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: over Jacoby Myers, and I'm gonna still stick to that.

1169
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: For what they need, he is better. And there are

1170
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: there are spots like.

1171
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 3: There's there's certainly elements of Jacob. Jacoby is a better

1172
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: natural separator.

1173
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: For what it's worth, I think Juju is a better

1174
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: fit in New England than Jacoby is at this point

1175
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: in time, I think Jacoby is a better fit for

1176
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: the Raiders than Juju been you really get down to

1177
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: system when you talk about you know, these two guys.

1178
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: And I really think that Jacoby has elements of his

1179
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 3: game that are better than Juju's. But but I think jujus,

1180
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 3: like you said, uh, in particular after the cat, that's

1181
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: what it comes down and his ability to create some

1182
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: bigger plays, so that that's I think a big thing.

1183
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: I am really really excited, not I'm not. I wouldn't

1184
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: use the word optimistic, I wouldn't use the word bullish.

1185
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 3: I am excited about to see how Bill O'Brien is

1186
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: going to use Taekwon Thorton. I'm just excited about a

1187
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 3: real offensive coordinator coming in here and having a guy

1188
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 3: with four two eight speed like that can run like that.

1189
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: How does he get him off the line of scrimmage?

1190
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 3: How does he use him in motion? How does he

1191
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: use different alignment tricks like stacks and bunches and things

1192
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: like that to get him off of press coverage or

1193
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: away from contact. In the first you know, five to

1194
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: ten yards of the route, there's a lot of potential

1195
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: there for Bill O'Brien to create foot races for Taekwon Thornton,

1196
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 3: going this way, going that way, going up the field,

1197
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: going horizontally across the field. That could really make Taekwon

1198
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 3: Thorton an extremely fun player for the Patriots. I'm not

1199
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: going to put yards and touchdowns and catches on it.

1200
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how productive it's going to be, but

1201
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 3: I think that there's gonna be a lot of elements

1202
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 3: and that for that reason, I'm really thinking this could

1203
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: be a lot better if I'm if Bill O'Brien can

1204
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: get Tai k Kwon to be the player that was

1205
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 3: a game changer at Baylor using similar tricks of the Trade.

1206
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 3: I think that they have a really really fun room

1207
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 3: in that regard.

1208
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: Do you have a breaking schedule news from the Patriots

1209
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: twitor account itself? Oh, what's that breaking? The Patriots will

1210
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: play here this season. It's a picture of Julette Stadium.

1211
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one because people have like the

1212
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: alerts on their phones, so they're breaking the Patriots will

1213
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: play here and not click it so the pictures let

1214
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: that's well done.

1215
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 3: Good job Neil and Veronica and everybody like that is funy.

1216
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: That's my kind of humor. It's funny.

1217
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 3: Anyways.

1218
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: Just a shout out to the guy in the comments

1219
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: who says we're not entertaining. That's entertaining.

1220
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 3: Someone said we're not entertaining.

1221
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: Some guy is very upset. The first he said, we're

1222
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: not entertaining. We don't know anything, and now the other

1223
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: people in the chat have talked him down to just

1224
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: we're not entertaining, which I will admit the show gets

1225
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: a little dense at times, but I think that's why

1226
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: people are.

1227
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: Disappoint Exactly do you want entertaining? Then you know at

1228
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 3: the place for you, we're talking football here to a

1229
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 3: certain kind of persons. Okay, the rookies. The argument to

1230
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: me for keeping both rookies, I have a hard time

1231
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: thinking that both rookies are gonna fully play themselves into

1232
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 3: roster spots.

1233
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I think somebody else would have to have a bad camp.

1234
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,959
Speaker 1: It's being too realistic, too optimistic. Their six round picks

1235
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: for a reason. I think it'd be really optimistic to

1236
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: think both guys are so good in camp. Nope, no, no,

1237
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: But now, what is the reason Keyshan Boute is a

1238
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: six round pick.

1239
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: Reasons? We know the reasons, I know. We know the

1240
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: character concerns, injury concern Tomrio Douglas I love as a player,

1241
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: we know that. But at the bottom line is is

1242
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: that he's small and undersized and making a big leap

1243
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: in competition. There is a chance that his play strength

1244
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: and his ability to run through contact isn't good enough

1245
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: for this.

1246
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: You know else with small and undersized and uh leaving

1247
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: play strength and something competition? Whatever the hell you just said?

1248
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: What Mark Jones? Yes, but that's what tomorrow Douglas's role

1249
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: is going to be. I think, yeah, and I and

1250
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm I really am high on him. I think he's

1251
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a good player here.

1252
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that it's very optimistic to think both

1253
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 3: of those guys are like studs in training camp to

1254
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 3: the point where they're both they have to make the team, right,

1255
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: you can't part with either of them. The argument to

1256
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: me that's better for it is that you really don't

1257
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: have very much on your contract pass this year at

1258
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 3: that position. So just looking at those two guys as

1259
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 3: developmental pieces in the pipeline for twenty twenty four and beyond.

1260
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: I think it's important because Devonte Parker is a free

1261
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 3: agent after this year, Kendrick Bourne's a free agent after

1262
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 3: this year. You have Juju, you have Taekwon, and that's it.

1263
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: In terms of proven NFL.

1264
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: Talent, I think Trey Nixon's in the last year.

1265
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and I know Taekwon proven NFL talent is

1266
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 3: a little strong right now. But potential guy that it

1267
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 3: was the second round pick. Yeah, So Taekwon's going to

1268
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 3: be here in twenty twenty four. Juju is going to

1269
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 3: be here in twenty twenty four. And so if you're

1270
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: looking at the depth chart next year, one of these

1271
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: rookie wide receivers is going to be kept, regardless, but

1272
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 3: keeping both of them and keeping six or carrying six,

1273
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: or trading Kendrick Bourne or trading DeVante Parker in the

1274
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: summer to keep five, including both rookies. There is a

1275
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: contract argument to be made there that they need They

1276
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: just need bodies for twenty twenty four. They just need

1277
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 3: to have guys around that have been in the system,

1278
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 3: that have played football here for twenty twenty four. I'm

1279
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: not ready to put six on the roster. I cut Booty.

1280
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: I did. I know that was as tough to do

1281
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 3: because I think that they could go either way with

1282
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 3: him tomorrow. Douglas feels like an easier projection to me,

1283
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 3: just feels I know what he is and what he

1284
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 3: isn't and there's a role for him on the team

1285
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: as that Marcus Jones gadget player type of guy in

1286
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 3: year one. Yeah, if they want to use him that capacity.

1287
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 3: Kishon Boude is, like you were saying, a little bit

1288
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 3: redundant to guys like Juju and certainly Kendrick Bourne. He's

1289
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 3: gonna have to push Kendrick Bourne either completely off the

1290
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 3: roster or just at least push for playing time to

1291
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 3: make the team. Like he's gonna have to be really

1292
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: really uh in Kendrick Bourne's rear view mirror.

1293
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: I just think, even if there's not a twenty twenty

1294
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: three football reason for keeping keishon Bute, I think exposing

1295
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: him as risky and you remember you burned that contract,

1296
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: you cut him, he's no longer signed for four years.

1297
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: Now you have to keep sign even the futures deals

1298
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: and becomes an EERFA an RFA. Yeah, I think you

1299
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: gotta find a way to hold on him. Now. There's

1300
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's also injuries are gonna happen. It's unfortunate,

1301
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: so maybe there's another way it happens. But even if

1302
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: you don't think both of those guys are gonna be

1303
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: locked down contributors this year, and I think Douglas who

1304
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: contributes some, I think Boute can contribute maybe more in

1305
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. But if you

1306
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: think those guys are gonna be pieces, that four year

1307
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: contract is valuable, especially in a sixth round four year contract, right.

1308
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: I think in that sense alone, they find a way

1309
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: to keep both guys on the roster, even if they

1310
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: have to do some serious juggling. I think they're gonna

1311
01:01:59,160 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: keep six receiverses.

1312
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: It's a it's a good point. It's the contract in

1313
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 3: the longevity of the other contracts in that room. We

1314
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: talked to Matt grow I don't know if it's during

1315
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: the draft or before the draft, when he mentioned it

1316
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: would be foolish to not look ahead at contract situations

1317
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty four and beyond when you're drafting.

1318
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: Oh, you have to.

1319
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: And certainly some of the drafts the picks that they

1320
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: did make, I know they didn't in certain spots like

1321
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: tackle and tight end, but an interior offensive line, they

1322
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 3: certainly have it the pipeline ready for their stucked. They're

1323
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 3: they're ready to go for if Mike on Wenu walks,

1324
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: if David Andrews retires, like they got guys so they

1325
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 3: they definitely looked at it in some places. And I

1326
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: think the six round receivers are potentially guys that they

1327
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: look at as twenty twenty four and beyond assets as

1328
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 3: well to keep around. So are you better on wide receivers.

1329
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 3: I'm better on it?

1330
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I think noticeably better. I think both

1331
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: in the short term and in the long term. I

1332
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: know people are down that they didn't take a receiver

1333
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: high in the draft, but sorry, just saw the Patriots

1334
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: pop up on it. Yeah, that worked there.

1335
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 3: No, oh that's the old news.

1336
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: The Tom Brady thing.

1337
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we very we can touch on that in No.

1338
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: You listen to public service announcement ten times today on

1339
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: the drive. I think they're they're better short long term.

1340
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 3: All right? You ready for me to read the sixteen

1341
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: sixteen offensive lineman currently have under contract?

1342
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: Can I try to do it six Can I try

1343
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: to do it by I.

1344
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 3: Mean you probably have a different order than me, so

1345
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 3: this might be hard. But well, you have the depth chart, right,

1346
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 3: I'm guessing I have my version of it.

1347
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So at tackle you have Trent Brown, Riley Reef,

1348
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson, Andrew Stuber, Calvin Anderson, Andrew Stuber.

1349
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 3: At guard you have missing some tackles.

1350
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: But I know I am Trent Brown.

1351
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: Okay, we don't have time, Okay.

1352
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 1: Just go ahead.

1353
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 3: Trent Brown, conjuiced, James Farrence, Jason Hines, Bill Murray, Mike

1354
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 3: On went Now, Cody Russy, Cole Strange, Andrews Duber, Calvin Anderson, Connoment,

1355
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 3: Riley Reef, David Andrews, Jake Andrews, City Sow, and Antonio

1356
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 3: moff I, miss Connrac Dermott sixteen offensive linemen under contract.

1357
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's really three positions. That's only like Adrian

1358
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: five players per position.

1359
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 3: Do you think that they like have to go and

1360
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: do their like their their meetings in like the auditorium

1361
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: or something like that, Like do you think the O

1362
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 3: line room is big enough for sixteen three and twenty

1363
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: pound human beings to sit in one room?

1364
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: Well, look if they do the tackles meeting, it's only

1365
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: six players, right. How many linemen did they have last.

1366
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 3: Year at this point? I don't know about it. At

1367
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 3: this point, they only ended up carrying eight, eight or

1368
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: nine guys last year on the initials.

1369
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: No, but at one point they had like four or

1370
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: five on the practice squad.

1371
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot. So it's always a lot.

1372
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: It's always.

1373
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: I think what's different about this year in terms of

1374
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 3: it being a lot is that there there's so much

1375
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: uncertainty at tackle that they might just carry the bodies

1376
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 3: just to have different bodies to throw at it. Right,

1377
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 3: Like there's because there's no real concrete other than I

1378
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 3: think Trent Brown, who after they didn't draft the tackle early.

1379
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 3: I think it's safe to say that Trent Brown is

1380
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 3: is now on this team like, I understand that there's

1381
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 3: cap things that they could cut Trent Brown and save

1382
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 3: some money or trade Trent Brown and save some money.

1383
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: They don't without drafting a tackle in the top fifty.

1384
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 3: I did. They got it. Trent Brown is the only

1385
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: guy that's played the NFL games for a long period

1386
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 3: of time and done well. And here's the thing besides,

1387
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 3: I guess Riley Reef.

1388
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: When we were there y for a long time, when

1389
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: we were talking about like back in March, right, Oh,

1390
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: if they cut Trent Brown, it's whatever it is, seven

1391
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: to ten million. I apologize Pat's gap. I got it wrong.

1392
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: I got it all spring. The idea was they were

1393
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: going to take that seven to ten million and use

1394
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: it in free agency to tackle or then a drafted

1395
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: tackle in the first round. Right, remember remember sign one

1396
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: Draft one. Yeah, those are the days that they did

1397
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: draft on Alex they drafted City South. They gad, you're right, right,

1398
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: I should be. I stand corrected. Yeah, I'm not saying

1399
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: that there's nobody they can sign now, but yeah, seven

1400
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: to ten million dollars means a lot more in March

1401
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: than it does in May. Yeah, right, So at this point,

1402
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: are you going to beat can those seven to ten

1403
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: million dollars make you a better team with players other

1404
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: than Trent Brown, just based on who's available, unless they're

1405
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: maybe opening up money for some sort of trade or something,

1406
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: which rabbit hole, how do they do that? So I

1407
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: think Trent Brown's safe with this.

1408
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 3: Okay, so the the the drill is better worse saying,

1409
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 3: I do think it's a little bit confusing with this

1410
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 3: because there's so many button names and some are tackles,

1411
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: some are guards, some are centers, some are tackles, slash guards.

1412
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's all over the place. But I think

1413
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that I would say, I'm gonna say

1414
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 3: that I'm gonna talk, I'm gonna contradict myself because I'm

1415
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: allowed to do that. I think they're better on paper.

1416
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 3: But I have some real legitimate concerns about this, about

1417
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 3: this tackle group, some real concerns that I I am fearful,

1418
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 3: just like last year when right tackle and at times,

1419
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 3: let's face it, with Trent Brown, left tackle too, Alex

1420
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 3: was a little bit up and down. I am concerned

1421
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: that this is going to be the demise of this offense.

1422
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 3: Not past catchers, not the Latin, not that oh they

1423
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: don't have the number one receiver, like, none of that.

1424
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 3: My biggest concern right now is protection pass protection mainly,

1425
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: I think they'll figure out how to get it blocked

1426
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 3: up in the run game, and I think a lot

1427
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 3: of that assignments is so important when it comes to that,

1428
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 3: and I think Bill O'Brien and Adrian Clem being here,

1429
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 3: it will be so much cleaner in terms of mike

1430
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 3: points and angles and who has who and that sort

1431
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 3: of thing that I think their run game is going

1432
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,479
Speaker 3: to be fine. Pass protection and tackle play in pass

1433
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 3: protection is a big concern of mine. I think the

1434
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 3: main reason is because I think they're rolling with Riley

1435
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 3: Reef at right tackle, and I had serious range and

1436
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 3: foot speed concerns with him based off of his film

1437
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 3: last year with Chicago, and now we're even a year

1438
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 3: ahead of that. You look at reportedly.

1439
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: Reportedly the matchup in week one, yeah, which reportedly reportedly

1440
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: is the Philadelphia Eagles, and reportedly reportedly and Riley Reef

1441
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: against Hassan Reddick, Like that's a mismatch, right, And then

1442
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: the next week he goes up against Jalen Phillips and

1443
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb, and then the next week it's gonna you know,

1444
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: could be Von Miller and Greg Russeau with Buffalo, you

1445
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, there's just so many of

1446
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: these talented edge rushers. We know statistically speaking that Mac

1447
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: Jones is like all quarterbacks regresses under pressure. But Mac

1448
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: in particular last year had a ton of issues against

1449
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: the blitz and a ton of issues with pressure. Now

1450
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: with a better coordinated attack and metter hots and better

1451
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: blitz pickups and like, all, yeah, it should be cleaner.

1452
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: We get all that. I'm very I'm not like that

1453
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: bullish on this offensive line group. I am coming around

1454
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: on some of the rookies. I think that some of

1455
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: these rookies can play in spots that they have skill

1456
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: sets that fit spots that they need. You know, Antonio Maffi,

1457
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: I think is a classic if they don't end up

1458
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: paying Mike on Way. I knew like he's going to

1459
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: start at right guard in twenty twenty four and he's

1460
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: going to be a fine player for them.

1461
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 3: City Sao is exciting, you know. I watched some of

1462
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 3: his film, Poor U Mass. I really learned like the

1463
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 3: difference between City Sao and and the guys they had there. Well,

1464
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 3: I think he legitimately, I think really did some damage to.

1465
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: Him and to Mario Douglas Tomorrow.

1466
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably tells you a lot about that program.

1467
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 3: But City Sao does have some some suddenness, some movement skill,

1468
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 3: some foot speed. Certainly. I still look at him though,

1469
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 3: and still I still see a guard. I still see

1470
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 3: a guard ideally, but I guess in theory they've moved

1471
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 3: that player to right tackle before it's Mike on Wnu.

1472
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 3: It's to a degree, Marcus Cannon right, Marcus Cannon was

1473
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 3: a little bit taller than Onnu. Marcus knn' is a

1474
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 3: big guy. I didn't realize Cannon's like six ' five

1475
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 3: three thirty. Yeah, so he's you know, on why it

1476
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: was stouter he's yeah, and when it's like six one, yeah,

1477
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 3: City sounds a little bit closer to that with Marcus Cannon.

1478
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 3: So I think City South can play tackle at right tackle.

1479
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 3: Certainly not a left tackle in this system, but I

1480
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 3: think you could play right. It's a lot of bodies

1481
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 3: and we'll see what ends up happening in camp. And

1482
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 3: the last one I mentioned because I was higher on

1483
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 3: him when they made this who's free agent signings, and

1484
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 3: I think Riley Reef has gotten a lot of buzz

1485
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 3: as kind of the guy because of his experience and

1486
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 3: his steadiness and his leadership and all that. I really

1487
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 3: like Calvin Anderson as a player. And Calvin Anderson, to

1488
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 3: me is the guy that could allow you if he

1489
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 3: has a good camp and he looks the part and

1490
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, Calvin Anderson could be the

1491
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 3: guy that allows you to move Trent Brown right back

1492
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: to the right side. Because Calvin Anderson's an athlete, you know,

1493
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 3: that's the one thing that he certainly has foundationally, really

1494
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 3: really good athlete, A great explosiveness out of his dance.

1495
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 3: He's got the range. He's just inconsistent with his technique.

1496
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 3: If they can coach him up and Adrian Clem can

1497
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 3: get him to be more consistent. And he's a left tackle,

1498
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 3: so you could play him on the left side Trent

1499
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 3: on the right side. That could steady things maybe a

1500
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 3: little bit more. But better words were same on the

1501
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 3: offensive line, and it's confusing, is the names.

1502
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: Is it weird that I feel better about him? And

1503
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I don't have concerns. I very much

1504
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: have concerns. I echo a lot of what you said

1505
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: about the tackle position. Yeah, but Isaiah Winn just didn't

1506
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: have it last year, and their right tackles were terrible, right,

1507
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: and Connor McDermott, like Connor McDermott, was serviceable.

1508
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 3: Connor McDermott saved the day.

1509
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: And he was replacement level. Yeah, right, And you know,

1510
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,879
Speaker 1: Marcus Cannon loved him when he was at the Patriots,

1511
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: was a great player. He's not that guy anymore. So, Yeah,

1512
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: they have options. It's almost like the running back thing.

1513
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: Although I said worse at running back, I guess I don't,

1514
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: but they didn't have the optionense last year. Like there

1515
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: was no Damien Harris at the tackle position last year,

1516
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: just that sturdy veteran that you know, maybe wasn't great,

1517
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: but gotcha there. I guess that's what Connor McDermott was,

1518
01:11:59,320 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: but not to.

1519
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 3: The same I think the I think they hope that

1520
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 3: that's what Riley Reef is.

1521
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: I think so, like again, like they didn't have a

1522
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: guy like Riley Reef. They didn't have a guy like

1523
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson last year after Trent Brown. You're really just

1524
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: going with you know, you're really just kind of hoping

1525
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that Yodney could just Isaiah Win.

1526
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Riley Reef or Calvin Anderson is

1527
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: necessarily great, but if you're gonna take a lottery ticket,

1528
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: I think they're better lottery tickets than what they have

1529
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, So I do feel I don't feel great.

1530
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I feel good. Yeah, but

1531
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 1: I do still feel better than last year, which maybe

1532
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: shows how bad their offensive line was at times last year.

1533
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. That it's it's really a it's kind of remarkable

1534
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 3: that and they feel good about this tackle room. They

1535
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 3: told us, They've told us right to our.

1536
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: Face, and Macro said it.

1537
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,879
Speaker 3: Macro said it, and I think that, you know, Belichick

1538
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 3: said it too when he he mentioned that all the

1539
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 3: offensive additions in free agency and they didn't really add

1540
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 3: to the defense and free agency and that's why you

1541
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 3: got the defensive picks at the top of the draft

1542
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 3: instead of offense. But in general, they feel good about

1543
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 3: this tackle. I think that they think that they're better

1544
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 3: on paper there than maybe the outside noise suggests. I'm

1545
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: willing to give them the benefit of the doubt going

1546
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 3: into the year because maybe they know something that we

1547
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 3: don't shock her, and maybe they they're you know, seeing

1548
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 3: it differently, shocker, and I'll give them the benefit of doubt.

1549
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 3: But on paper, from the outside looking in, it looks

1550
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 3: like a group that has a lot of names but

1551
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 3: doesn't really have a lot of guys that you can

1552
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 3: fully count on. If you were to configure, they're starting

1553
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 3: five right now on the offensive line, I think is

1554
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 3: the best way to do. You know who's starting at center,

1555
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 3: you know who's starting at left guard, and barring something

1556
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 3: weird happening, you probably know who's starting at right guard too.

1557
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: And when I say one of the guys who's starting

1558
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: on the right side, And when.

1559
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 3: I says starting at right guard, barring something weird happening,

1560
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 3: I mean if on when who ends up being some

1561
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 3: sort of a trade situation, which I don't think is

1562
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 3: going to happen. You know who's starting at right guard,

1563
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 3: and I think you know that Trent is starting at

1564
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 3: one of the tackle spots. That other tackle spot's wide open.

1565
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 3: It could be you could tell me right now it

1566
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 3: would be Riley Relief, Ryley, Riley Reef.

1567
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a tough one.

1568
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 3: You could tell me that it was gonna be City

1569
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: Soal at this point, you could tell me it would

1570
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 3: be Mike gon Winnu and they're gonna play one of

1571
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 3: the rookies at guard right, Like you could tell me

1572
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 3: all sorts of different configurations and I would believe you.

1573
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's necessarily a great day.

1574
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 3: And this is the one sort of biggest i'd say,

1575
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 3: maybe even more so than wide receiver that I have

1576
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 3: with their current roster, is I want an offensive line

1577
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 3: Like I missed the days when week out into camp

1578
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 3: alex and we just knew who the starting offensive line was, right,

1579
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 3: those were the days like that that was That's what

1580
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 3: you want because you don't want to talk about your

1581
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 3: offensive line. If you're talking about your offensive line more

1582
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: times than not, it's because it's a weakness. You don't

1583
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 3: usually talk about an offensive line. That's that doesn't give

1584
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 3: you a lot of reasons to talk about them. So

1585
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 3: we'll see what ends up happening. Hopefully they're right and

1586
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 3: we're all wrong about the tackles and ends up being good.

1587
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 3: These rookies are interesting players, though I did uh Jake

1588
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 3: Andrews and Antonio Maffi. We have profiles up on them now.

1589
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 3: We talked to some of their coaches, Mike did City Sow.

1590
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 3: But with Jake Andrews, I think a couple of things

1591
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 3: just quickly that his coach has told me about him.

1592
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 3: He's a really really good high school wrestler, Like I

1593
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 3: love that All American and state champion in Alabama.

1594
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: Copan, the one who was the college wrestler.

1595
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 3: Well Steven Neils Steven, So he was an all time

1596
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 3: uh you know, kind of almost like a legend wrestling

1597
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:47,919
Speaker 3: in in Alabama. And it was a really good offensive

1598
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 3: lineman to All State all that kind of stuff in Alabama,

1599
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,799
Speaker 3: so all state football, and uh he went to Troy,

1600
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 3: which I get isn't It's not Alabama, it's not Georgia.

1601
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 3: I get that. But he's got that that wrestling not

1602
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 3: only from a technique standpoint that he's got that you know,

1603
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 3: understands rules of engagement and leverage and like all that

1604
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, but he's also just got that like

1605
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: snarl and that that grittiness and that toughness. He's a

1606
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,879
Speaker 3: really strong, stout player, and I think that he's definitely

1607
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 3: gonna be somebody that factors in that center in the

1608
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 3: long term. And I look at Antonio Maffi basically a

1609
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 3: carbon copy of Mike on Winnu from a body type standpoint,

1610
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 3: how he's built played nose tackle, switched over to guard

1611
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 3: now plays guard really just block of a man like this,

1612
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 3: massive dude, powerful, strong, a lot like Mike on winning.

1613
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: So I can see where they're going with all those picks.

1614
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 3: So we'll see what ends up happening interior scene. They

1615
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 3: might have the best interior line depth in the league

1616
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 3: after taking three of them in the draft, Like nobody's

1617
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 3: got more guards in the Patriots, So we'll see how

1618
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,799
Speaker 3: that ends up happening really quickly before we sign off, Alex,

1619
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on Tom Brady coming back for

1620
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 3: the Patriots? Said opener, home opener. It sounds like it's

1621
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 3: gonna be a weak one. Sounds like rumored, not confirmed. Well,

1622
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 3: it's gonna be the home opener whatever it is. Yeah,

1623
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 3: it sounds like that's gonna be in week one, is

1624
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: what I was getting at. Okay, Tom Brady coming back,

1625
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 3: the prodigal Sun returning, how do you feel about it?

1626
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you remember when we were doing shows, when

1627
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: when we first started working together and he left. My

1628
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: whole thing with him leaving was like I don't necessarily

1629
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: mind watching him in another uniform.

1630
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1631
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: My issue was you only get Peyton right, where Peyton

1632
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: Manning's now more part of the Broncos than the Colts,

1633
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: even though he, you know, is the greatest player in

1634
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: Colt's history. Yeah, And I was like, I don't want

1635
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: to lose Brady in that sense. I want him to

1636
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: be a Patriot for life. And look, we're probably gonna

1637
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: have to share him with Tampa to some extent one

1638
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: where or the other. But coming back for something like

1639
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: this is big. I'm glad he's doing it. I'm really

1640
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: glad he's doing it. So I'm looking forward to it.

1641
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really fun day, you know. Hopefully they

1642
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: play up to it. Yeah. The other question here is

1643
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: like do they wear to throwback uniforms? And then do

1644
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: we because they normally give the guy the jersey, right,

1645
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: they'll give him the current jersey, they won't give him

1646
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: the one with like the silver shoulders, right the dynasty era.

1647
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 1: Do we get to see him in the pat Patriot

1648
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: throwback one last time? That could be cool? So No,

1649
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: I'm super excited for It's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah,

1650
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's doing it. I'm glad the team's doing it. Yeah.

1651
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: Robber Craft seemed super excited about it on NFL Network

1652
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: this morning, which I mean, of course he is, but

1653
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: like it was kind of cool to see that, like, oh,

1654
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: it felt like a high school union. So looking forward

1655
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: to better than the high school re union, you know,

1656
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

1657
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 3: But that, like, I think a couple of things.

1658
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: When you see these people hanging out together, you haven't

1659
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: seen hung out together in years, and it's like, oh yeah, yeah,

1660
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 1: so yeah.

1661
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 3: It's kind of like I imagine how my parents feel

1662
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 3: when my high school friends like come back around, Like

1663
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, if we're like all home for things that's

1664
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 3: good or something like that, and like, you know, the

1665
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 3: people my high school friends that like grew up in

1666
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 3: my house as kids and stuff like that, my parents

1667
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 3: get all excited when they when those people are around

1668
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 3: really quickly. With Brady, I guess two things for me.

1669
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 3: One and it's great that we are opening the door

1670
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 3: to him being a part of the Patriots again with this. Yes,

1671
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 3: it's not gonna be the only thing. It's certainly I

1672
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 3: don't even think it's gonna be the biggest thing. I

1673
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 3: think that there's gonna be bigger monumental type of moments

1674
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 3: or ceremonies, you know, Patriots Hall Fame.

1675
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 1: Jersey Craft said kind of that, right, yeah, Jersey retirement,

1676
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: this is you don't think that retires Jersey when he's here.

1677
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping that they would.

1678
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 3: I don't know anything, So I just want to put

1679
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 3: that out there because I think sometimes people think that,

1680
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 3: you know, we we know things around here about this

1681
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 3: type of stuff. I don't know anything about that. I

1682
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 3: don't think so I think that this is remember after

1683
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 3: the COVID year, they brought Julian Edelman back and they

1684
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 3: just allowed They just gave him a moment at halftime

1685
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: and allowed the Craft. That's what this is, I think

1686
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: in theory, So Jersey retirement. I wouldn't rule out them

1687
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 3: announcing that they are retiring his jersey because that's a given.

1688
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 3: It's that's an easy one, right, So I wouldn't rule

1689
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 3: that out. But I think that ideally they have separate

1690
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 3: occasions for all of these things. You know, this is

1691
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 3: just kind of a way to bring bring him back

1692
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 3: and reintroduce him back into the Patriots organization and also

1693
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,759
Speaker 3: just to quite frankly show him off right to the fans.

1694
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 3: A little bit and get fans fired up. Then I

1695
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 3: think there's gonna be Jersey retirement, and then there'll be

1696
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 3: Patriots Hall of Fame. Now there could be a situation

1697
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 3: where the Patriots Hall of Fame voting and all it

1698
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 3: might not go through the typical hoops for the Patriots

1699
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.

1700
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: I feel like they got to put him in like specially.

1701
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 3: For two reasons. One, it's silly to put Tom Brady

1702
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 3: up against like poor Logan Makings and Bill Parcells in

1703
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 3: a fan vote, because it's just gonna be one hundred.

1704
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, it takes from you. If it's

1705
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: Brady against Barcels.

1706
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 3: It'll just be like, it'll be ninety nine percent Brady,

1707
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 3: because some trolls will vote for somebody else just to

1708
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 3: throw off the numbers. But obviously he's gonna win in

1709
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: a absolute landslide in a fan vote. So it's kind

1710
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 3: of unfair almost in a way to put two guys

1711
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 3: up against him in a fan vote like they traditionally do.

1712
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 3: And then secondly, he does deserve it, of course, to

1713
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 3: be you know, just put right in and not gone

1714
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 3: through the whole voting process. So I think that's in

1715
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 3: play I think that there will be some sort of

1716
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 3: statue road named after like something like that, right that's

1717
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 3: around the stadium. That's sort of a showing, you know,

1718
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 3: love to Brady in some sort of way, so that

1719
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 3: there'll be a bunch of different check marks here, you know.

1720
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be a lot of different benchmarks

1721
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 3: here of what they're gonna do with him. So that's great.

1722
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 3: But this is to me is really just like the

1723
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 3: first step of hopefully many steps to honor Tom Brady

1724
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 3: from this point on. So that'll be fun. Let's just

1725
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 3: really quickly, really really quickly does do better where it's

1726
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 3: the same rapid fire here. Just to everybody that just

1727
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 3: listened to us talk about seventeen hundred different names for

1728
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 3: an hour and a half, knows where we're at. So quarterbacks,

1729
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 3: we're both. Are we better?

1730
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: I said, very, very slightly worse? Worst? I think I

1731
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: said same, Okay, I didn't know, same as an option.

1732
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, better, worse, same?

1733
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: All right, just keep going.

1734
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 3: Running backs, I said better.

1735
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: You said worse with potential to be better.

1736
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 3: Can you not walk the fence one time? You said?

1737
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: You keep saying that's the most walking defence. Yeah, at

1738
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: least I admit it out loud wide receiver.

1739
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 3: We're both better noticeably better. Tight ends, were both better.

1740
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 3: Better offensive line, we're both bet better. Yeah they got

1741
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 3: better in some places. Yeah they did get better. See

1742
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 3: how much it matters in a couple of months. But

1743
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 3: we'll be back next week and we'll talk about the

1744
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 3: schedule and it's full capacity once we have it tonight.

1745
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 3: So next week we'll do a schedule recap and go

1746
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 3: over some of the usual things, you know, the the

1747
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 3: meat of the schedule and the bye week and Christmas

1748
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 3: and all that type of stuff, and we'll also do

1749
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 3: a better word same for the defense, which I think

1750
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 3: is a little bit easier quite frankly, than the office.

1751
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 3: There's a lot of names. Defensively, I think it's a

1752
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 3: little bit easier. So we'll do that next week as well.

1753
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 3: But until then, signing off for Alex Bartham, Evan Lazar.

1754
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 3: Thanks for watching and listening everybody, and we'll see you

1755
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 3: guys next Thursday.

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