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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Four University Idaho students found

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Speaker 1: slaughtered in their beds. We think as at least some

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Speaker 1: of them slept in the last hours, critical video surveillance

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Speaker 1: footage emerges. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and

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Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at crime online dot Com. Detectives collected

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Speaker 1: eight hours of surveillance video Tuesday morning from a gas

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Speaker 1: station in Moscow, where a clerk saw white sedan passing

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Speaker 1: by at three forty five am on the night of

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Speaker 1: the unsolved stabbing Dutson four University of Idaho students. An

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Speaker 1: overnight assistant manager told Fox News Digital that she's been

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Speaker 1: reviewing the tapes a little bit at a time over

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Speaker 1: the past few days, looking for clues. In her downtime

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Speaker 1: on the graveyard shift, she said she was not working

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Speaker 1: on the night of the murders Monday night. She said

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Speaker 1: she reached the three o'clock hour and spotted the car.

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Speaker 1: The car drove by real quick, she said, and then

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Speaker 1: it turned down a side street off Highway eight. She said.

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Speaker 1: She took a picture of the screen and sent it

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Speaker 1: to an email address police have set up to receive tips,

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Speaker 1: and a few hours later detectives gathered up the footage.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I hate people that say I told

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Speaker 1: you so. I hate that I tried never to say

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Speaker 1: I told you so. Got an all star panel at first,

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Speaker 1: I've got to go to Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert, founder

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Speaker 1: of Coldcase Research Institute. She's at coldcasecrimes dot org. We

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Speaker 1: fought in the trenches. I as a prosecutor. She is

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Speaker 1: a forensic expert for ten years and more. Cheryl, how

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Speaker 1: many times have I screamed, look for a video? Remember

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Speaker 1: when this became pertinent in the alex Or Our case

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Speaker 1: when a strange stranger shot him in the head on

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Speaker 1: a rural road. And I said, there's gonna be no

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Speaker 1: video footage on that rural road. But what about the

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Speaker 1: turn ends to get to the rural road. Sure enough,

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Speaker 1: I believe it was an Ebenezer Baptist church sitting right

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Speaker 1: there at the turn end with the camera front and center.

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Speaker 1: And here, yeah, I had to get a gas station

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Speaker 1: Clark to find the video of the Alantra. Really, here's

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Speaker 1: this girl, this woman in her spare time coming through

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Speaker 1: video and she basically has to deliver it on a

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Speaker 1: Christmas tree. I mean, just, thank god we've got the video, Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: thank god we've got the video. But Nancy even more

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Speaker 1: specific on your show. I even said, I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: the camera right now on my phone, I can see

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Speaker 1: the gas station. Yeah you did. I mean, should we

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Speaker 1: just you know what, we should start downloading crime stories

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Speaker 1: and uploading it onto their onto the FBI website for

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Speaker 1: a peace sake, guys. Not only do I have Cheryl

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Speaker 1: McCollum with me, just I'm gonna go one by one

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Speaker 1: as I go to them. But guys, remember, as I

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Speaker 1: tell you over and over, I'm not your schoolmarm. This

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Speaker 1: ain't high Tea at windsor Castle. Jump in if you

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Speaker 1: have an idea. Clearly the police need them. They need

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Speaker 1: every idea they can get. And I'm not suggesting they're

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Speaker 1: not good. They're fine. But the more people thinking and

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Speaker 1: analyzing the better. I want to go now to my

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Speaker 1: new friend Chris mcdonnah, and I believe his wife somebody

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Speaker 1: he keeps calling honey on the video that he has

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Speaker 1: and the interview room, and it is I've spent way

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Speaker 1: too much time on the interview room. He's director at

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Speaker 1: the Coalcase Foundation. Former homicide detective. You can find him

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Speaker 1: Coalcase Foundation dot org. Chris mcdonnah, question and Fox Nation,

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Speaker 1: if you could show that video that we're talking about

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Speaker 1: that was obtained from the gas station. In your video,

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Speaker 1: you are driving up very slowly the main street there

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Speaker 1: it is. It is actually on another approach, Nancy, into

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Speaker 1: that area, meaning from the main ninety five. So there

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Speaker 1: is a way around that A ANDW down at the

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Speaker 1: corner there, yes, is on the video right, and the

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Speaker 1: gas station that this vehicle is seen is approximately one

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Speaker 1: as you were looking for any other cinder blocks in

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Speaker 1: good clip. The white Hyundai Elantra in question is speeding

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Speaker 1: you can't I couldn't tell personally if the vehicles leaving

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Speaker 1: the apartment complex. Exactly. You know, I've argued to jury's

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Speaker 1: many a time. I'm going to throw this to IRV Brandt,

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Speaker 1: have argued to Minia jury, nothing good happens after midnight.

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Speaker 1: This is three forty five am. What is this car

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Speaker 1: and four am. Oh, that's correct, Nancy. You'd be able

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Speaker 1: not like they were going somewhere else. They were heading

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Speaker 1: Joining me Stephanie Pogonis, crime reporter Fox News Digital on

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Speaker 1: the case from the get go. Stephanie, tell me you've

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Speaker 1: That's correct, Nancy, And just going back to what you

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Speaker 1: learning this afternoon that investigators have also collected hours of

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Speaker 1: guys Del Carson, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville. And

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Speaker 1: as much as I respect his legal acumen, he's here

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Speaker 1: because his former FBI agent, former police officer in Miami.

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Speaker 1: Jump in deal. Yeah, Ancy, we were talking earlier about

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Speaker 1: But according to an on, we don't know who it is? Yes,

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00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: has so many details about the Sigma Kai fraternity, people

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00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: in the fraternity, events within the fraternity, even going back

429
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: to Bishop Kelly, he referred to Bishop Kelly, we looked

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00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: it up. It's a high school in Boise where we

431
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: believe a group of the Sigma Kais went to high school.

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00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: So what is the gist of what is being said

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00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: by Fratt and on? Basically, this guy post that you

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00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: can see the King Roadhouse from DSL Sigma Kai room. Okay,

435
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: so that's identifying somebody that sleeps at Sigma Kai house,

436
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: which is common in fraternity sorority houses. Some people sleep

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00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: there and many do not. Okay, So someone that sleeps

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00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: at Sigma Kai. And it goes on to say once

439
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: that third floor light in the King Road House went off,

440
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: they did it nineteen minutes total. Walk included the detail.

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00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: Come then talked about this Duff. I'm using a Knifer

442
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: word to replace what he actually said, talked about this

443
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: stuff at Bishop Kelly and Sigma Kay DSL and E

444
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: even got in a fight that night. Zanna X allegedly

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00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: was talking stuff. You're saying s H I T. When

446
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: you're saying stuff, yes, ma'am so, and you're saying this

447
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: he referring to Zannah as X. Yes, Okay, go ahead,

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00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: and it goes on to say DSL also had problems

449
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: with Madison Man. Stuff has been brewing, yes since fall

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00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: Rush last year. They went quiet on social media for

451
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: two weeks before and after the murders. Who who went quiet?

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00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: This is referring to DSL and another member that they

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00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: referred to as Barry. Now, what can you tell me

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00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: about claims that the killer wanted to be with X Zanna? Right?

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00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: So further in US posts, he mentions Frattann mentioned that

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00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: he saw Ethan, Zanna, DSL, and Barry at the party

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00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: that night, and that Ethan and DSL have issues reaching

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00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: back years. Ethan apparently was not very not on good

459
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: terms with DSL, talked down to him, made rumors up,

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00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: and that upset DSL because he wanted to be with Zannah.

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00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that's a bombshell to you out

462
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: of that thread? The biggest things to me are that

463
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: He also added that the pair, so both the accused

464
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: in this thread, talked about leaving their cell phones behind

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00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: at their house on YouTube using AutoPlay, so it looked

466
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: like they were continuing to create data. Also, one of

467
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: the other accused in this thread allegedly talked about this

468
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: stuff in detail in the past, talked about wearing electricians

469
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: gloves and putting on baggy clothes after and walking away

470
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: from the scene. That's incredible. Yeah, Okay, is that Dale

471
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: or Chris mcdonnah It is, it's Dale. And I just

472
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: tell you that's a fairly easy thing to run down

473
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: because you've got a select pool of people who would

474
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: know that information, who are in that fraternity, and that's

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00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: where they need to focus energy to rule that out

476
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: or rule it in. To you. Chris mcdonnah joining us

477
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: in Colecase Foundation. I discovered him in his YouTube channel,

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00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: the Interview Room. Chris. One thing that really grabbed me

479
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: so much of that I could discount. One thing that

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00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: really grabbed me is talking about nineteen minutes walk over

481
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: there and back and it's done. How does that jive

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00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: with the layout of the land, you know, Nancy, that's

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00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: it's plausible from obviously from their point of location from

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00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: the frat house to the target house. But that the

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00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: challenge that I think we need to consider here is

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00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: the multiple attacker theory, you know, the the crime scene,

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00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, based on the evidence that they've released into

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00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: the public. I e. You know the type of wounds

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00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: at the corner, talked about that type of situation and

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00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: the disk. The challenge that is going to come into

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00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: play here, is there any blood evidence or any type

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00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: of evidence leaving that house, Because if it was as

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00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 1: crazy as it's being described, then you're going to have

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00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: some type of transfer immediately onto these you know. If

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00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: it's a multiple suspect situation, now that's even a higher

496
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: risk for the offender if there are two of them.

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00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: But Chris mcdonnigh, if we got don't think about it.

498
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: There doesn't have to be and two people doing the stabbing,

499
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: because we believe based on the wounds, there is one weapon,

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00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: could be two similar knives, but we're hearing one weapon.

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00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: Highly doubtful that two people are going to pass off

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00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 1: one weapon. But just like the getaway driver, he's not

503
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: in there rob in the bank, but he's part of it.

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00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: I could see two people going over there and one

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00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: hanging around outside. Nancy. That's exactly what this says. Who's

506
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: exactly what this says? Oh what do you mean? That's

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00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: exactly what it says. In the post, there's also a

508
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: detail mentioned that Barry, the member referred to as the accomplice,

509
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: was just a lookout. He did not participate in the stabbings,

510
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: but went with dsl Okay, see, we could be going

511
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole. But the point is, in any investigation,

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00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, you can't ignore any detail, even an anonymous post,

513
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: and of course costs and figure out from an IP

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00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: address who posted that. I believe they can't anyway. Well,

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00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: the other thing is, I mean, he seems to have

516
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: some information, but does that information line up again? If

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00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: this was about Ethan, why go upstairs? Why would he

518
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: go upstairs and murder two other people and not go

519
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: into the basement and get the other two? Um, he

520
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: doesn't mention, He doesn't. He doesn't mention how he gave

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00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: an entry, and he didn't say it was to Stephen.

522
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: I thought I thought they also mentioned Maddy. But this

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00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: is something y'all you can gain just from the report.

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00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: You're right, this is completely unconfirmed. My point is I

525
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: don't think that the cops. I mean, you had to

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00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: get a gas station, Clark to go Hey, I found

527
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: a picture of the hyunday. Well, Nancy, I think we

528
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: need to talk about the car a second. There's three points.

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00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: Three points I want to make about the car. We

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00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: have that in real time too. We have a direction

531
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: of travel, and three we have somebody at three o'clock

532
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: in the morning. Debt has not come forward. And you

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00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: have a way to find a weapon that was thrown

534
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: out of the window when they turned down that road.

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00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: Good idea. Follow the trail to see if they threw

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00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: the weapon out. Take a listen to our friends at

537
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Inside Edition. Did the bedroom doors of the four murdered

538
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: University of Idaho students have electronic locks like this? A

539
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: former tenant posted this photo and says all six bedrooms

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00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: had combination locks. It's believe the students had a lock

541
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: on their door similar to this. This is a keypad lock.

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00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: And I'm at a architectural hardware in Manhattan with Richard Brown,

543
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: who is the owner. Are these things reliable? They're very

544
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: reliable when they're installed properly, and when they're used properly.

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00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: You press the code that was prief programmed in, pushed

546
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: down on the lever handle, opened the door, and then

547
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: close the door behind you and it should be locked.

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00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: Hey Moscow Fleace Mecker. Meanwhile, Inside Edition has obtained this

549
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: body camp video taken on the night of the murders,

550
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: a short distance from the house. One thing to drink

551
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: in the department or can see you? So I think

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00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: for us to drive by and see you guys absolutely

553
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: stumbling down the brother three freshmen were cited from underage

554
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: drinking underage note the time three fifteen am. Police say

555
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: the murders could have been taking place at that very moment.

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00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: The three were sited near the Sigma Kai fraternity where

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00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: Ethan Shapen and Zena Cernodle attended a party. Look how

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00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: close it is to the murder house. Cheryl McCollum Jackie

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00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: says she didn't hear your third point. You have three points?

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00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: What are they? The third one is the person in

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00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: that vehicle at three o'clock in the morning has not

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00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: come forward in a town of twenty five thousand people.

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00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: A white to laundrep from twenty eleven twenty thirteen. Ain't

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00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: no way you ain't heard about this? What's you're one in? Two?

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00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: Real time? In the area and direction of travel? Yeah,

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00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: And I think to dovetail into that thought again, Nancy,

567
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: is that direction of travel could be critical because if

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00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: it is in the area where that an original report

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00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: where the dog incident took place correct, that would be

570
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: very interesting correlating evidence. Take a listen to Moscow police.

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00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: We have information of a white vehicle that was in

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00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: the area either during the timeframe of the homicide or

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00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: around the timeframe of the homicide, and we are just

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00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: wanting to talk to the individuals who are in that vehicle.

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00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: They may have some valuable information for us. And we're

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00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: looking for a twenty eleven to twenty thirteen one day

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00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: a Lantra. So any assistance you can give us, anybody

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00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: that owns one, anybody that knows of someone who owns

579
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: one or may have been driving one. If you could

580
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: get a hold of us through our tip line or

581
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: call us directly, we'd appreciate that. Another update, Stephanie Pagona

582
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: is joining us from Fox News Digital. I understand that

583
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: at least one of the victim's parents have hired a

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00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: lawyer for what Yes, that is correct, so Kayleegan Solves,

585
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: this family has hired an attorney. This attorney will deal

586
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: not only with speaking with police and law enforcement about

587
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: obtaining information regarding this case, but also is now the

588
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: point person to speak with media about this case. So

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00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: what do you make of that? Del Carson? Well, you know,

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00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: I just don't know, Nancy, the way all of this

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00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: is worth not what I want to hear. Well, I'm

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00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: just I'll tell you. I'll tell you, Nancy Job. Her

593
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: daddy thinks this investigation is his and he is dead

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00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: as wrong. They are not going to tell him anything.

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00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: They're not going to tell us attorney anything. This is

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00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: an open and active investigation and anytime they meet with

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00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: him as a courtesy, he has no right to any information.

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00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: Yet Tank listens Moscow Police, please stick to official news

599
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: releases for information. Tracking down rumors and quelling rumors about

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00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: specific individuals or specificate events that may or may not

601
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: have happened is a huge distraction for investigators and oftentimes

602
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: is the result of social media a propagation, and it

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: is very, very frustrating to investigators and hard to stay

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00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: on track. Finally, I just want to add that we

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00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: do have a lot of information and we are specifically

606
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: keeping that information safe. We're not releasing specific details because

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00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: we do not want to compromise this investigation. It's what

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00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: we must do. We owe that to the families, and

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00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: we owe that to the victims. We want more than

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00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: just an arrest. We want a conviction. We owe that justice.

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Speaker 1: Susannah Cayley Madison and Ethan Guys a tipline two zero

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight three seven one eight zero. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfalls. Goodbyes