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Speaker 2: Guys icey better than the first.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that little lady service entrances around back of the

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Speaker 1: hotel dancers enter in over there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, sir, you have everything mistaken. My name is Missy Ethridge.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually here for the lounge singer position.

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Speaker 1: Missy Ethridge. I never heard of you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I just moved from Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: You don't look like a rocket to me. You look

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Speaker 1: like a chick.

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Speaker 3: I'm a chick who rocks. Just give me one song.

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Speaker 1: Huh. Well, I got a couple hours before we open.

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Speaker 1: I guess I can stop shining this all dirty Irish

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Speaker 1: pub bad that I got going on here in this

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Speaker 1: hotel and going just down Tom Boston and maybe, uh

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Speaker 1: pull up a chair and see if you got the chops.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, sir. I swear I've played all.

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Speaker 1: Over campas all right, all right, all right, don't waste

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Speaker 1: my time, Just shut up and sing. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: a little miss? See? Is that what your name?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Missy Ethridge. My influence is the Beach Boys, Cosby

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Speaker 1: All right, little miss Tina, show me what you got.

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Speaker 3: Shuld look at me at the end of the ball,

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Speaker 3: long legs and long blonde hair. I was two beers

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Speaker 3: deep in my bottle.

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Speaker 1: All right, I gotta stop you right there. I'm missy Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I'm pretty shocked. Sounds like it's thinking

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Speaker 1: about a chick, but y'are a chick. But honestly, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it kind of works in this

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Speaker 1: weird way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, uh, not to be weird, but I'm a lesbian.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't even know what that worry means. You

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Speaker 1: know what, kid? Yeah, hie it five nights a week,

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Speaker 1: twenty bucks a night, five hours a night. Yeah, now

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm in man, you won't be disappointed, Thank you, mister Murphy.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you tonight, five on the dot.

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Speaker 1: Hell, I'll be early, all right, wear something skimpy. I

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Speaker 1: got a leather vest had already. Who's that knocking at

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Speaker 1: the door. It's all your friends, you filthy whrse. Your

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Speaker 1: husband's gone and we've got books and a bottle of

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Speaker 1: wine to kill. It's Hollywood. It's books, it's gossip. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it's memoir. It's martinis, celebrity poof club. Come read

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Speaker 1: it while it's hot. Celebrity poof club, Tell your secrets.

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Speaker 3: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 1: No boys are a loud Celebrity book Club say it

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Speaker 1: loud and pounds Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 3: Buzz me in. I brought the queer vow her best friend.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Man, hey, rocker chick housing? Hang?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, it's hanging good.

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Speaker 1: You look like you get down. Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I get down every single night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, how's your hammer hanging? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: My hanger hangs.

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Speaker 1: Low.

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Speaker 3: Can you go? I'm so excited to talk about this book.

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Speaker 3: It's like my favorite book we've read, and.

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Speaker 1: I mean why Yeah, I would just say content wise,

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Speaker 1: the content's killing me. Like the first like one hundred pages.

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Speaker 3: I just like, I'm like, so this was like written

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Speaker 3: for us, Like it's kind of like, I don't want

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Speaker 1: The writing style isn't like so gripping me, but I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I wasn't. This is a very critique.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't being like, oh my god, it's freaking hemming

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: given in our podcast that maybe writing out there. Absolutely no,

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Speaker 3: there is good writing out there, but yeah, no amazing content.

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Speaker 1: We write a book by one of the most iconic

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Speaker 1: lesbians of all time. I mean there's five famous lesbians,

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Speaker 3: Athage and her book from two thousand and one, The

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Speaker 1: Dot Dot Dot My Life in Love and Music Ghosts,

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Speaker 3: I feel like they kind of farmed her out to

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Speaker 3: Melissa has a lot of straight friends, as we have

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Speaker 3: Kind of think Eileen Shakin probably read this and was like,

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Speaker 1: It's colored by and she would traumatic experience.

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Speaker 3: Her mother was withdrawn, but she doesn't really say how

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Speaker 3: It would do beatings and then it would be like okay,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who supposedly like made Cyrus like her singling finger

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Speaker 1: And that came out in like Cyrus's book or something.

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Speaker 3: And to jump to her coming out at Clinton's inauguration,

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Speaker 1: Trucked you know all Butcher's need to think that Bill

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Speaker 1: I will up and down Core tell you boulevard.

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Speaker 3: No, it would be that thing where it's like I'm

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh god, Lily Bill Clinton story again. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So then in high school, she's attracted to her friends,

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Speaker 3: And at first it's just kiss and she's like, no,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Jane works at the counter and she's like

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's an interesting butch film dichotomy, like

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Speaker 3: It's very butchered. The huge scoop of fries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put him in yep. And then Jane is taking

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Speaker 3: Hey, what do you want? Well, they also live TV background.

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Speaker 1: They live in Levenworth, Kansas, which is just like there's

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Speaker 3: But my babysitter Teresa, who was from Rio, she was

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm twenty twenty seven. Yeah, I started a quap

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Speaker 1: I found out where the women's bar is it's called Prelude,

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, I'm obsessed. Well this made me think we

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, I don't.

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Speaker 1: We have the chronicles our lives.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into it. And by the way, we have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no evidence that I could find a.

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Speaker 3: I know, because you know you talk about Ramrod a machine,

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Speaker 3: Jacques Cuparet is like the drive bar Boston that's been

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Speaker 1: And everyone there like was so queer and eyeshadow and

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was like total early two thousand. I mean

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Speaker 1: This dad bob seeking missile, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And that's my route, And I'm like, I didn't like

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Speaker 1: Slevety book Club, Clevetok Club. I think my first experiences

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Speaker 1: And it was like very nipple driven and then it

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Speaker 1: said like our money extreemed really little, like right here.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember all of dramonic exchange clothes now.

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Speaker 3: Two and I rented I guess our money.

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Speaker 1: Exchange I owned. You read me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like, Lily, we're getting more jops this, I'm

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Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, so this is where you go if

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Speaker 1: Queens on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It was insanely iconic, and it was very like I

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Speaker 1: wasn't ready for it. And he was also never like

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Speaker 1: saying that I was gay. I wasn't saying I was gay,

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Speaker 1: but he was very like, this is my world, and

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Speaker 1: he was kind of letting me know subtly that like

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Speaker 1: one day there would be this community that I could

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Speaker 1: just walk into.

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Speaker 3: Wait, but that's insane and so fab I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: also so young, where it's like you think maybe he'd

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Speaker 3: do that at like seventeen, but fourteen is you're like

448
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Speaker 3: so small.

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Speaker 1: And then I feel like I did't actually go to

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Speaker 1: Gabor until I last Orginity when it was eighteen and

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Speaker 1: I looked up gay bar on citysearch dot com when

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Speaker 1: I was already a student in New York for like

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Speaker 1: a year. No, it takes a while.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my idea got taken away like so fast.

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Speaker 3: I feel like freshman year, and then I had to

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Speaker 3: get another one, you know, and that's really tough when

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Speaker 3: your idea gets taken seriously. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Also in Boston News, So did you catch that she

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Speaker 1: worked security at Boston Deaconess Hospital.

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Speaker 3: Yes, by the way at this point, she just drops

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Speaker 3: out of Berkeley and works security at the hospital.

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Speaker 1: And my dad was already working at the Deaconess at

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Speaker 1: that time.

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Speaker 3: Does he remember well?

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Speaker 1: So I asked him, and this is what he said.

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Speaker 1: I said, Doug, do you do you ever see her coming?

467
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Speaker 1: And he goes, Nope, don't see your name on the

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Speaker 1: placklisting donors. And we don't have a famous people who

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Speaker 1: were here. Gallery she was on the day shift, so

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Speaker 1: I may have seen her or even met her. I

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Speaker 1: used to talk about the wonderful days and the friendly

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Speaker 1: and intimate environment of the New England Deaconess Hospital where

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Speaker 1: everyone knew everyone else and when you walked in the door,

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Speaker 1: the cleaning lady or perhaps the security person would greet

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Speaker 1: you by name. So then he's just now being like

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Speaker 1: nostalgic for the good old days, but like it was

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Speaker 1: more of a family. And I was like, oh, is

478
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Speaker 1: it's so Soli's in corporate.

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Speaker 3: Now and he was like, yes, damn, the Deaconess Hospital

480
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Speaker 3: used to be like so cheers, so cheers Okay. So

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Speaker 3: in Boston, though, her high school girlfriend moves in with

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Speaker 3: her and he's also so abusive and then hits her. Yeah,

483
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Speaker 3: and then she finally is just breaks it off.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, the girl moves back to Kansas. The girls

485
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Speaker 1: also from Kansas. Oh, and she was like not brave

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Speaker 1: enough to break up with her, and then the girl leaves,

487
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Speaker 1: and then she's like, finally I could do it and

488
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Speaker 1: want because at this point she's making two fifty a week,

489
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Speaker 1: like playing as at this hotel bar at like not

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Speaker 1: the Copley Hotel because that like burns down right if

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Speaker 1: she Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know that the Copley Hotel burned down.

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Speaker 1: By the So she quits the deaconess job, and then

494
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Speaker 1: she starts busking in Park Street literally, which is.

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Speaker 3: The most iconic if you're gonna busk in Boston at

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Speaker 3: Park Street.

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Speaker 1: And then she like is like wait a minute, this

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Speaker 1: is like making more money than security ing. So then

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Speaker 1: she starts to like try and get gigs at local bars.

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Speaker 1: I got turned down flat at every single place until

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Speaker 1: I got to a little downstairs restaurant and bar across

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Speaker 1: from the Hancock Center. It's just like she's only going

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Speaker 1: to places where my parents worked in the eighties.

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Speaker 3: But it's like your parents are like walking by like

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Speaker 3: her playing at like this bar and being like sketchy.

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Speaker 1: This bar called Ken's by George. I'm gonna ask my mom.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, oh wait, so that bar I remember, I

508
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Speaker 3: want to say it's on Boyleston.

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Speaker 1: That would make sense if it's across from the Hancock Center.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've definitely noticed that place. So she's playing there,

511
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Speaker 3: she's making money. And this line that she says about

512
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Speaker 3: Boston leaving it is like literally what like everyone says

513
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Speaker 3: about Boston. Boston was good for me. It opened doors

514
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Speaker 3: I didn't even know existed. It changed me as a woman,

515
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Speaker 3: as a lesbian, as a performer. But as I looked

516
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Speaker 3: around this city, I realized that it wasn't where I

517
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Speaker 3: wanted to be. I wanted to go west, to Los Angeles.

518
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Speaker 3: After all, how ELTs you to get to be a

519
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Speaker 3: rock and roll star?

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Speaker 1: Same?

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Speaker 3: It literally is ever being like, Okay.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm good town, but I got a roll.

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Speaker 1: So she moves to La discovers she has gay uncles,

524
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Speaker 1: which is.

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Speaker 3: Fab two gay uncles, which is insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like honey rents in the family. So

527
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Speaker 1: then she like discovers all these other lesbian bars. Okay,

528
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Speaker 1: I'm so obsessed with all the bars, and hey, Sarah

529
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Speaker 1: I just started keeping a list of all the bars.

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Speaker 1: She mentions. There's Prelude, There's laver Not, a lounge at

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Speaker 1: the Granada Royal Hotel in Levenworth that she like goes

532
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Speaker 1: back to before she moved to sole The Dove Fox, Flamingos,

533
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Speaker 1: the Lesbian bar in Venice Beach, the Executive.

534
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Speaker 3: The Executive Suite at like Palomas Lounge or whatever.

535
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to go called the Executive.

536
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Speaker 3: You ever go to all of these bars.

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Speaker 1: Robbie's the case a Rah where she like actually gets

538
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Speaker 1: discovered and she's like really doing a residency.

539
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Speaker 3: There for like the case Sarra killed Me.

540
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Speaker 1: She's like getting so many record contracts but also meeting

541
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Speaker 1: so many Tan women.

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Speaker 3: That's she literally is just like I love with a

543
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Speaker 3: different woman every night leaving the care but then the

544
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Speaker 3: first woman it's like so u haul. She like meets

545
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Speaker 3: this woman named Nancy Tan and she's like, yeah, I'll

546
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Speaker 3: move to Long Beach with you. And she's like, I

547
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Speaker 3: loved all these girls with their apartpits. It's like it

548
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Speaker 3: actually reminds me so much of you, being so like

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Speaker 3: wait girls with the purpets.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still just like waiting to find a

551
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Speaker 1: man who doesn't have a roommate like.

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Speaker 3: Nice, and I really just like all these bars are

553
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Speaker 3: so like lit tables with clink clink clink with drinks.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's so small circle tables and.

555
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Speaker 3: Like it's all such a movie where it's like so

556
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Speaker 3: much smoke and she's playing and everyone's talking they're drunk,

557
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Speaker 3: and then everyone is like, hold on.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, this chick's good. Is this chick rocky

559
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Speaker 1: dothite detect a rockers?

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Speaker 3: That said the amount of times this book. She also

561
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Speaker 3: says like I want to be a rock and roll star. Yeah,

562
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Speaker 3: no one says that anymore.

563
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Speaker 1: It's very the musical rock of ages. I just saw Nantucket.

564
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Speaker 3: Even though she calls out how she's so like opposite

565
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Speaker 3: from heavy metal.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this mook is also very lesbian foam Tree.

567
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Speaker 1: So the part about her getting discovered, most people think

568
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Speaker 1: that I was discovered at the case Rah, but I

569
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Speaker 1: was actually discovered in a bar called Vermes in Pasadena.

570
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: I'd made some fans among a women's soccer team, and

571
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Speaker 1: they came to see me play. I bet you did, Melissa.

572
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Speaker 1: There was a woman on the team, Carla Leopold, whose

573
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Speaker 1: husband question Mark Bill was a manager in music business.

574
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Speaker 1: My fans on the team dragged Carla. Okay, so the

575
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Speaker 1: fans are dragging Carla. Carla is the one staker on

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Speaker 1: the soccer team and she is so shoulders in soccer.

577
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Speaker 3: But like, I almost like scream when I read that

578
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Speaker 3: that basically the tree for her getting discovered was an

579
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Speaker 3: entire women's soccer team, the one straight one on It

580
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Speaker 3: is like married to this guy who's determined. They're like,

581
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Speaker 3: you better bring in Bill tomorrow night to Verme's.

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Speaker 1: Carla's just getting We're doing thirty Springs. Carla's is getting

583
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Speaker 1: bullied by her whole lesbian soccer teammates into her husband's

584
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Speaker 1: siny Missi Ethridge, and.

585
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Speaker 3: Like that's how you get discovered.

586
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Speaker 1: Okay, really got the team on your side, Hanne.

587
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Speaker 3: She also asked this whole thing about her voice in

588
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Speaker 3: this because she's so raspy.

589
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Speaker 1: Oh, no one around. I feel a for you. I

590
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: feel like this is the classic, just like very movie

591
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Speaker 1: mythology of like any artist where it's like at first

592
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Speaker 1: they want to sell out and make your I mean,

593
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: did Sheryl Crow had the exact same thing, and like

594
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: Shania Twain the exact same story. Was like the first

595
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: producer like it was too clean, it was too pop,

596
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't us. It was like Alice Cooper also did this,

597
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, we needed something scrounkier.

598
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: And then they're like, just give me one day back

599
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Speaker 3: in the studio one day. I want to do it

600
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Speaker 3: my and then she does, and she's like playing at

601
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Speaker 3: like a hotel for like the head of Island Music,

602
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Speaker 3: like discovered the Whalers, and he's like the most like

603
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Speaker 3: tan white guy.

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Speaker 1: Who's so like beach tonytail yes, and.

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Speaker 3: Just like the little sunglssonytail like circling a Malibu on

606
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Speaker 3: Ice and he's listening to it being like, yeah, this rocks.

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Speaker 1: That extra day in the studio. It was worth it, Missy. Wait.

608
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: Also she's already left I think, like two women, and

609
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: it's always like Kathleen told me she wanted to be

610
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Speaker 3: non monogamous, and so I said fine, I mean yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then she writes this song about being polly

612
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Speaker 1: like the way I do. And it's funny because it's

613
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Speaker 1: like I think this is like a theme where a

614
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Speaker 1: lot of her like big hit songs, they seem kind

615
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Speaker 1: of like pretty like normal. The lyrics I Come to

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Speaker 1: my window, for example, or this one like oh does

617
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Speaker 1: she like you the way I do? But it's actually

618
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Speaker 1: they're kind of all about being Polly and kind of

619
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Speaker 1: like weird, and like this whole song like tell me,

620
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Speaker 1: does she love you like the way I love you?

621
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Speaker 1: Does she stimulate you? Attract you and captivate you. That's

622
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Speaker 1: because her and Kathleen are in and open relationship and

623
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Speaker 1: Kathleen has already seen someone else. It's not like a

624
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Speaker 1: breakup song.

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Speaker 3: It's like everything is song or this song occasionally, and

626
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Speaker 3: it's like I'm only lonely when I'm driving my car,

627
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Speaker 3: I'm only lonely after dark, I'm only when I watch

628
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Speaker 3: TV because it's like I'm only lonely occasionally. It's like, well, yeah,

629
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Speaker 3: because like fucking NonStop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're bringing home a new tan Bitty from

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Speaker 1: Case Rock also Dead.

632
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Speaker 3: When she does get signed, she starts touring, she starts

633
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Speaker 3: dating Kathleen, the non tan one. She meets at a

634
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Speaker 3: women's music festival. Also with the crazy thing about her

635
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Speaker 3: career and her like coming out in the whole like

636
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: nineties thing, like Melissa Ethwards was never really trying to

637
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: be closeted. She was pretty like, I'm a huge lesbian,

638
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm playing the Santa Clarita Women's Festival. I'm in a

639
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: leather jacket. And it was only when she was nominated

640
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Speaker 3: for a Grammy and she came with Kathleen I Believe,

641
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: like the women's music one. Then he pulled her aside

642
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: and was like, sit with me her her manager, right,

643
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: and she was like oh what and like that was

644
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: him being like, yeah, you're gonna sit with me and

645
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: like not your women's music.

646
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe like the first time you're on TV, like

647
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: don't do this. And then she performed and then she

648
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: saws sixty thousand copies of her album the next day

649
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: because they love her set so much. She's like, was

650
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: so weird because everyone's sitting down at the Grammiest except

651
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: for Stevie Wonder was kind of naught in his head.

652
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Speaker 1: So she made eyes with Yeah, She's like, I stared

653
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: at Stevie Wonder. It's like he's not staring.

654
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Speaker 3: Back, but he was only one kind of because he

655
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: was really feeling the music.

656
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was letting himself well maybe because Steve

657
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: wasn't like seeing that everyone else was being so like

658
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: tense and Grammys.

659
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Grammys are tense. The Grammys are

660
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: your biggest moment.

661
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: The Grammies are so tense, and everyone is just like

662
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: in there like viruwayan gown, just like seated, just being

663
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: like and I feel like they're always like cutting to

664
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: the audience and it's just like Beyonce is just like

665
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: moving her head ever so slightly and like mouthing maybe

666
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: like some of the words to just like whatever the

667
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: Tailor swift or the Rihanna song. And then they're like, oh,

668
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: this shows that she loves it, like she's really feeling it.

669
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: It's just like everyone's so calm.

670
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: Or it's just like Luke Combs isn't singing along. They're like,

671
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: Luke Combs is throwing shade at and Rihanna right now

672
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: the shade room. So also with this Grammy moment, things

673
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: are happening. So when I was twelve, her like behind

674
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: the music would play Melissa Ethards just like on a

675
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: loop on some like Summer Vacation. I had m So

676
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: I watched this so many times about how she and

677
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: Julie Cipher, her first wife, got together. So she meets

678
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: Julie at a music video shoot. Julie is tan and

679
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: is very just like Julie is exotic, and it's like, well,

680
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: I think she's just like not white.

681
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: Well, Linda was half Hawaiian. I feel like Julie is

682
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: what I feel like. Julie also kind of looks like Giselyne.

683
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like Julie is not white because maybe

684
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: I'm just saying because Lou Diamond Phillips is Mexican, but whatever,

685
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: who cares. I'm just like she's calling her just being

686
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: very nineties like she was exotic, right, and she had

687
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: like dark hair, right, So Lou Diamond Phillips, who's famous

688
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: for being in the movie La Bamba, I haven't seen it, Okay, anyway,

689
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: totally film stuff. They meet on a music video shoot

690
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: and they're flirting, and Melissa feels something so strong.

691
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: Wait, can I just say some I mean I feel

692
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: like music video shoots were the Instagram of the eighties

693
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: and nineties, where it's like, yeah, that was the only

694
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: way to meet like hot chicks.

695
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: Yes, we're on a shoot.

696
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: Now you meet hot chicks on an Instagram, but back

697
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: then you would only find them just like at a

698
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: video shoot.

699
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: And Julie was like the assistant director. And again it's

700
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: so elward where she's probably being so headphones. Yeah, and

701
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: like little tank top, oh for sure. And like Melissa,

702
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: like the way she was keeping everyone on Lesbian a

703
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 3: little old.

704
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: Jewelry, you know, like silver wrap, like bicep like bracelet,

705
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

706
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: I think that's a little too old for Julie Cipher.

707
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean the name Julie Cipher is the most

708
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: spy name ever.

709
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: It's so spy nineties, like hacker, like what the video store. Like, Hey,

710
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 3: I'm Julie Cipher.

711
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: I want to name my daughter Julie Sipper. It's so cool.

712
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: Note name for Sidney, Bristow, Bristo, Sydney.

713
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: They're flirting all day long, and then at the end

714
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: of the shoot, Julie whispers and Melissa's ear if I

715
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: wasn't married.

716
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: Leon, But also Melissa is like, yeah, if I wasn't

717
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: in already a poly relationship.

718
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: Kathleen was like one hundred other women at the case

719
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: Eh Club.

720
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: Can I do spoken word of the poems she wrote

721
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: while Kathleen was away at the First March on Washington

722
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: for Gay Rights? Yeah, this is like in the book,

723
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: there's like lyrics. There's lyrics and like little you know,

724
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: photos of diaries and stuff. I saw you on the

725
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: television in the television headline news fifty thousand and fifty

726
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: thousand were there and the speaker and you backstage, like

727
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: I met you and I fell in love again. I

728
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: am here having tea. The lid burns my hand. Five

729
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: thousand and five thousand miles away, you are there and

730
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: it burns my hand. Will you understand? Come home?

731
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: Oh? Not the tea.

732
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: It is so her, just being like I'm getting new

733
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: bes while listening to Bella Abslock at the DNC convention.

734
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm burning myself on tea while you're at the march

735
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: on the rights.

736
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton is horny for my partner in ninety two.

737
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: I feel like we have to get to Katie.

738
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: Oh of course, so this I was My jaw dropped. Oh,

739
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: my jaw fucking dropped.

740
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: So you're wondering, Yeah, it's Melissa Asurge and Katie Lang,

741
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: the lesbians of the nineties.

742
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: And they become like instant friends because they're just like we.

743
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: But oh they literally meet at the Grammy's or like.

744
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: No, they're at an after party with George Harrison and

745
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Tom Petty. Then I spotted this guy in the corner,

746
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: just a cowboy girl head to toe with this harsh

747
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: buzz haircut, and she was standing there with what was

748
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: clearly her girlfriend. So Kathleen and I slid on over

749
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: there and started chatting with Katie Lang and her girlfriend.

750
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: Katie and I instantly hate it off. Though there was

751
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: never a physical connection between us, we always had a

752
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: great time together.

753
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: It's like we know Melissa, I mean, that is so

754
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: nineties where it's like, obviously, you guys are one of

755
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: both tops, like both like, but I mean Melissa's more

756
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: like footge.

757
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: But it's like, but the second sentence she says is

758
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: we've never had a physical connection.

759
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, didn't ask, didn't ask, And it's just

760
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: like kind of obvious. I'm like, you guys are bros.

761
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: But I guess it's like the fact that she put

762
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: it in there makes me think that there is. And

763
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: there was some weird time where they were like having

764
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: a couple of cores.

765
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: But the whole thing is about like Julie and then Julie. Okay,

766
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: so by this time, also Julie has divorced lou Diamond

767
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: Phillips and Julie's never been with a woman. She's getting

768
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: to know what it's like to be with another woman,

769
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: like a rock and roller. So they start hanging out

770
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: with Katy Lang and yeah, Julie says to Melissa, I'm

771
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: attracted to Katie Lang. Oh, and Katy Lang is like

772
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 3: living with them.

773
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what's also very like roommate and I.

774
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: Know it's so and Julia is basically just like she's

775
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: just so lward and.

776
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: It's very like Shane and Jenny and Carmen are like

777
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: all living in this La house together, and she's like, yeah,

778
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: let's us all live together and like with our girlfriends.

779
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: And Melissa's whole thing was like I was done being

780
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: Polly like Julie was my settled down girl, like I

781
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: didn't want to keep you know, sharing chicks.

782
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: And then Julie reveals that she had developed a strong

783
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: desire for Katie and in a very truthful way, she

784
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: told me she wanted to sleep with Katie, which completely

785
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: shook the foundations of my world, bringing up all my

786
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: issues and insecurities. I'm like, in a very truthful way,

787
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: so she told you, and.

788
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: That is where you are, right. But they're writing me

789
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 3: like in a completely she's at her like Monica's Lewinsky style,

790
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: iMac in a truthful way. She told me she wanted

791
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: to have sex with Katie Lang. Yeah, so Melissa says yes,

792
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: and then they do, and she's like, I asked for

793
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: all the details, you know, Malie, it was just like

794
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: how many fingers? And then yeah. Melissa's pissed, jealous, but

795
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: Julie was honest with her, and then she said she

796
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: had no desire for Katie after yeah.

797
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: And then she goes as strongly as I felt. I

798
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: somehow understood that I wasn't going to lose Julie over this,

799
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 1: but in the same breath, I knew that I would

800
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: never really have all of her either. And interestingly, after

801
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: that experience, Julie never saw Katie again, at least not

802
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: in that way. We still see her socially from time

803
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: to time, but the friendship has never really been the same.

804
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: It took me a long time to get over the

805
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: incident with Katie. A part of me tends to Jonathan's feelings.

806
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: I never wanted to go through that again with Julie.

807
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: I wasn't mad at Katie. Okay, maybe I was a little,

808
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: but we've put it long behind us. We spoke about

809
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: it once over the phone. I just said to Katie

810
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: that I thought that it sucked that this was going

811
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: on between her and my girlfriend. I felt like kind

812
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: of stupid about the whole thing. It's not that particular

813
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: incidentce the idea that Julie could ever commit to me,

814
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: could never commit to me and only me, and she

815
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: kind of doesn't say what Katie says back.

816
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: You know, I was picturing Katie literally doesn't care is

817
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: leaning back, is in a long swayed jacket and jeans.

818
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: And she's on her like landline.

819
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's on her landline on like a couch. There's

820
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: like other girls there and so many like Budweiser bottles

821
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: and like a big golden just harem and there's like

822
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 3: a big golden Retriever or something. And she's like, yeah, Melissa, look,

823
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: she's all yours did my thing. But then what's insane

824
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: is Melissa's like we saw each other socially, we never

825
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: I never got over it. And then like for the

826
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: rest of the book, she's like, so me, Katie Lang

827
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 3: and Ellen Ja Johnas were a hot up together.

828
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very like you are lesbian best friends, and

829
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, we were always bugging Allen to come out.

830
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: She wouldn't do it, and you're just like part of

831
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: the lesbian mafia. But then saying that you were, maybe

832
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: she means that Julie and Kad weren't really close after that. Yeah,

833
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: I feel like babe, Katie did finger Julie again like

834
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: a Women's Past ninety eight.

835
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, like once because also, like Melissa's always like and

836
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: then it was Julie's thirty third birthday and we all

837
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: did tons of body shots with Laura.

838
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: Dern so like, okay, wait like cutting it out to

839
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: Lord Durr when she gets David Crosby's sperm to have

840
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: a baby with Julie, And then Laura Dern goes, wouldn't

841
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: it be funny if the baby was born on my birthday?

842
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 3: That was such an iconic joke.

843
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: Bailey, beautiful, Bailey.

844
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: J I wonder to participaining that's actually so depressing it is. Yeah.

845
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: So it's like they go back and forth about like

846
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: choosing David sperm, so they're like, well, he had addiction issues,

847
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: so will like that like influence our baby, and like,

848
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: I don't think the sperm did like genetic trauma. But

849
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: basically Melissa Ether's son did kill him over.

850
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty. Yeah. I saw articles that called it

851
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: a suicide, and I saw articles that call it an overdose,

852
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: and we don't really know, and that is an interesting

853
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: it's just very sad.

854
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: The addiction through line, because the son is so young,

855
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: as like two or four and this, and she's like, oh,

856
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: I don't want him to be like an addict.

857
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: And then but yeah, hashtag don't blame the sperm.

858
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Crosby. It's insane. How when she talks about

859
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: what a hullabaloo that was, and like it really was

860
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: a hullaballoo.

861
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: Noah was I remember like even hearing about that, even

862
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: though I like didn't even really know who either Melissa

863
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: Etherrad or David Crosby was. I knew in nineteen ninety

864
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: nine that like she was having a baby.

865
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: Because there's this whole thing where they were like so

866
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: it was released in Rolling Stone in like an exclusive

867
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: and it was like this week we're about to hear

868
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: who is the father of Melissa Ethries.

869
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was very like, you know, nineties lesbians

870
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: are having babies on their own, so it was kind

871
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: of this new Yeah, she was probably the aspect of.

872
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: It was new celebrity lesbian.

873
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: So lesbian in vitro again, she's still only one of

874
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: like five main lesbians.

875
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: Ellen, Melissa, Katie, Rosie, Oh, Cayl cal And that's it

876
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: when she talks about like when her and Julie like

877
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: bought their little Hollywood house and it was like the

878
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: best of times, and she's like, yeah, everyone who was

879
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: a young and struggling artist came over. German mulroney would

880
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: come over and play chello. Mulroney played cello. This is

881
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: a little young after Brad Pitt would come over.

882
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's them being so beat and Tina

883
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: and being like our house is the party house and

884
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: has the pool. Right, that's Meg Ryan and it's like

885
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt like fucking like an extra from like in

886
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: with the Vampire, like in the pool just be like, yeah,

887
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: it's cool, Melissa lists use your pool when she.

888
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: Basically yeah, their house is epic. They have the kid,

889
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: it's a hullabaloo.

890
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: It's where like never before, Ussess all the Blue and

891
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: then it's big nineties to do. It's up there with

892
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: like Monica Lewinsky.

893
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: And Donya Harding, Yeah, that.

894
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: Baby.

895
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: And I do remember being kid being like whoa like

896
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: this old man? Yeah, and Melissa's like yeah, everyone was

897
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: making drugs about it. Even Ellen, whoever was still like

898
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: not even out right ian was so annoying and toxic.

899
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: It's like, but it's also so lesbian for mosta to

900
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: be like, it's not cool for like a stand up

901
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: comedian to make jokes about this thing that's like the

902
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: most talked about news story, and it's kind of just like,

903
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: what do you like she has to why would she not?

904
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: Oh? And like she was like, oh in this up

905
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: and coming comedian, Rosie would come to my house too.

906
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: It's really insane to be a fly on the wall.

907
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: Okay. The one other thing I just wanted to mention

908
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: is Bailey's groovy birth announcement. Saw that but I saw

909
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: that or like band member like does this cool like

910
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: hippie poster of like the photo and it still has

911
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: been so like seven pounds six ounces, but it's all

912
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: in like grateful dead like woodstock font and it's hand drawn,

913
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of cool to have a

914
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: friend participate in your baby announcement and not just be

915
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: so shutterfly about it.

916
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely I agree, but basically, if you don't know this,

917
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: Melissa jually did get divorced and Julie was like in

918
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: Couples Therpy, I'm not gay, which is so Orna and

919
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: Couples Therpy, but then they were still together for months.

920
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: It's just I'm very older nineties to say I'm not

921
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: gay because I like Julie just is by. Yeah, and

922
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: then they finally divorce, and I just have to read

923
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: this part of this like night she has when she

924
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: realizes she's single. We went to a strip club. I've

925
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: never been to one. I was like, whoa, I missed out,

926
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: And of course the girls in the club recognize me,

927
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 3: and all of them wanted to dance at our table.

928
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 3: It was a crazy good time. And then this woman

929
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: sees her from across the room and I looked at

930
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: her and said, give me your hat, and she puts

931
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: in a cowboy hat. But then she like so lesbian,

932
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: was like, I didn't feel an attraction to any of

933
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: these strippers, and my like wild divorce night out that's

934
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: for men.

935
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I needed to see like someone pad on a

936
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: set my children a lesbian strip club, but it's everyone

937
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: has like walkie talkies.

938
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, like put away like a sexle. You

939
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: put away your clothes and then you get like kind

940
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: of a noosy and then like cargoes and.

941
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: Like walkie talkiees and she's just like taking off her

942
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: shirt and she's miked, come to mass. How does she live? Wow?

943
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: What does she eat?

944
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: What doth she be eating? She ain't no food. I'll

945
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: tell you that. She does not mentioned food once in

946
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: this book.

947
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: In this like People magazine Oracle interview with her queer

948
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: daughter was like, my mom loves sitting down on Sunday

949
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: watching the Chief's big bowl of popcorn.

950
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like that's kind of my mom though,

951
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: where it's like randomly you like a sport and you're

952
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 1: like make a big bowl of popcorn, but like don't

953
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: eat anything else.

954
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's kind of like lesbian mom dinner.

955
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

956
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: I mean she talks about how like Julie was on

957
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: her for her weight. I feel like she's so like

958
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: craft services on tour and like was so having drive.

959
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: Through yeah, and she's having like wraps and like whatever.

960
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: Then it's like, oh, like there's only an RB's in

961
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: this town. Fine, fine, yeah, let's have it. And then

962
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of nineties and be like I'm watching my cholesterol. Yeah,

963
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: let me get the low sodium ham sandwich.

964
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: Like is that a diner on tour? Being like having

965
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 3: this chicken and catta cheese salad, being like Onna diet again,

966
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 3: Doc says, the cholesterol's up. She sure is a drinker. Yeah,

967
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: she's not really being like, oh, alcohol problem, She's just

968
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: being like, yeah, we're doing par tequla body shots, like

969
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 3: I'm cracking a beer.

970
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Do you think she's into happier varieties these days?

971
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I mean I also think she loves cannabis.

972
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's getting like delivery or she has like

973
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: people like sending her so many gummies.

974
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's getting deliverers.

975
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: Also getting like seth rogen's.

976
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: Like you can also hear like crawing on some oak

977
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: lea's and like going to the medmen in like again

978
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: like clear Visa Beach.

979
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: Yes, you know she is going to Beach bad Man

980
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: for sure with her big hobo satchel.

981
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: And it is like, what do you got that's good

982
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: for anxiety?

983
00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: Sleep?

984
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: And then they get some CBD oil for like her

985
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: two for the puppers.

986
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

987
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: When she's like, yeah, so instantly we got two cats

988
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: and two dogs.

989
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: It's like y'all have to farm up like so fast.

990
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: It's like what happens just one dog, one cat? It

991
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 3: has to be four so that you can say the dogs, Yeah,

992
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: we have to let out the dogs.

993
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: What does she wear?

994
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 4: Well, she's I mean, like, I mean she was so

995
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: rocker and like lead us and her jacket in the

996
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 4: tank top. Yeah, but now is she like more I

997
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: think now literally she got a newer leather jacket that's

998
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 4: a little more like motorcycle.

999
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Collar and then like a heathered rock voat twenty sixteen.

1000
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: She's grabbing yeah, her like favorite softest rock the vote.

1001
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 4: And she has like a RBG quote heathered. I feel

1002
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 4: like there's no hosses RBG up. Yeah, And it is

1003
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: like I feel like her daughter is like okay RBG mug.

1004
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like she's so Clinton fun I mean, she

1005
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: like is only at Clinton Fund racers throughout the entirety

1006
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Okay, wait, here's also why I think

1007
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: she is funky f jewelry. No, I think it's because

1008
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: at one when she calls Julie the perfect virgo so

1009
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: it's like she is being like la est g Yes, no,

1010
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: I think she's like obviously so Buddha, so Buddha.

1011
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: Tons of rings, yes, silver jewelry yeah, clink clink, and like.

1012
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: Some sort of bracelet that's not a Kapala bracelet, but

1013
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: it like looks like.

1014
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: Something and it's like necklaces. Oh. Also her tattoo. She

1015
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: got a white tattoo with white ink that is so weird.

1016
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: It's like the end of the book and she goes

1017
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: into a tattoo shop and the guy says, you're one

1018
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: of us, and she's so happy of because that she

1019
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 3: said before I was only with the gay community, and

1020
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: here's this guy so different than me. He was playing

1021
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: heavy metal. I got in my car, rolled down and

1022
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: I had a white tattoo.

1023
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: White tattoo. I guess it's kind of early nineties in

1024
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: this way, which comes back to her being like funky foot.

1025
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 3: Also in definitely in the nineties when she talks about

1026
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 3: how like Julie wanted her to dress a certain when

1027
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: she was like, I started dressing the way I wanted to.

1028
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: She does have some more moments at award shows that's

1029
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: so velvet kind of more fleet when MACKI yeah, and I.

1030
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: Like bell the sleeves and like a little bit more

1031
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: the weird dress Oho. So there's Boho elements coming into

1032
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: the Heather RBG Rocker And.

1033
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: Someone calls her like butch in like an article, and

1034
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: she's so like shocked.

1035
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: Well right if she like Calmes out when Katie Lang

1036
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: like outs her at the Clinton inauguration, and she's just like, whoa,

1037
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: I've like just came out of lesbian I'm already a

1038
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: Butch Rocker according to the news media.

1039
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: Oh right, I guess yeah, okay, I think I'm seeing

1040
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: kind of like this restoration hardware foe tufted leather couch.

1041
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: I'll definitely take leather easier to clean with all the dogs.

1042
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: The dogs and just piles. Because at the end of

1043
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: the book, when she's like I'm divorced, she's like, I'll

1044
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: leave something on the counter and it will still be

1045
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: there the next day. I think it's keys and dogs.

1046
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: So many iPads and like and letters like Q letters

1047
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: from Nancy Pelosi, but then also like asking for money letters.

1048
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 3: She's getting confused and like thinking Pelosi is writing her personally,

1049
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: but it's just full DNC like junk mail. She's like,

1050
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 3: I got to get to that.

1051
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's like so many like clickers in the

1052
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: basket with the DNC junk mail, and.

1053
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: She's like, I don't know which remote works I switched to,

1054
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: so knows who are you the bug?

1055
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I am I Helene, who's so fabulous and

1056
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: Jewish and comfort to the.

1057
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: Ball your famously like actually randomly not jewish ever thinks

1058
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 3: you are.

1059
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: But the thing is like, I'm also not being the

1060
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: one like showing the gay bar because.

1061
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't think you are. Are you Lord and dern

1062
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 3: be like come to my premiere?

1063
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I'd like to think.

1064
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: So I'm being like, wouldn't it be hilarious if your

1065
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: baby was born on my birthday?

1066
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: But I also don't see myself wanting to really share

1067
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: my birthday with a baby, That's true, Like ew, I'm

1068
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, this baby's like younger.

1069
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: Than me, Like you know, you wouldn't then like and

1070
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: then you're like, oh, Melissa's doing her baby's birthday.

1071
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of like already furious about the the concept.

1072
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you're definitely not Katie Lang

1073
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: and the harem that you've envisioned you no.

1074
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: I'm not Katie Lang the harem, Like, I'm just kind

1075
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 3: of like I'm a lesbian at Kay Sarah.

1076
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: Or are you like Bill Clinton? Less you over Julie.

1077
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: I'm dressing Julie with your eyes.

1078
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: That's more like it. Are you kind of Julie though?

1079
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 3: Just being like I want to sleep with Katie.

1080
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: Mm and being like and I need to be honest

1081
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: about that, and I'm like toxically honest.

1082
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just being like ive the touch of a man.

1083
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: You're Julie done and I'm looking at that ass. Or

1084
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: I would also like to say like I'm the head

1085
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Speaker 3: of Violent Records and I'm like little singless. I give

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Speaker 3: this book like four point five guitar picks from the

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Speaker 3: DNC out of five, Like it's a beatreat, it's nineties,

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Speaker 3: Like if you want some fun just like lesbian her history,

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Speaker 3: I think you.

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Speaker 1: Could read it in a day. I mean, I'm also

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Speaker 1: just like maybe now that you probably don't need to

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Speaker 1: read it again. It's like more content and style to

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Speaker 1: me where it's not like it's so like hilarious in

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Speaker 1: this way. There's not a ton of like dialogue in

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Speaker 1: it or like scenes in like a Janas Dickinson Way

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Speaker 1: where you're like, oh my god, that amazing scene where

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Speaker 1: she steals. It's more just like I can't get over

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Speaker 1: these lesbian bars that she's at, and I can't get

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Speaker 1: over the Katie Lang tea. But like now that you've

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Speaker 1: heard it, maybe it's on a mustreet.

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Speaker 3: No in the end when she's like talking about like

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Speaker 3: playing with Cocker like the day the wall came down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I give it four out of five inductions

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Speaker 1: into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame just for

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Speaker 1: the names of bars alone.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, it's up to you whether you want to read.

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Speaker 1: Really, I'm not to you, but in this case, that's

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Speaker 1: if you want to read.

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Speaker 3: Has so much fun hanging out.

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Speaker 1: With you with the case Rah, I've had an amazing time.

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Speaker 1: If any of the bars we mentioned still exists, please

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Speaker 1: let us know.

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Speaker 3: If you've been to prelude, let us know. Okay, Best Best.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club with Stephen and Lily is produced and

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Speaker 1: edited by this badass chick, Darby Masters that I met

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Speaker 1: Supervising producer is this awesome, awesome dude named Abuzaphar met

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Speaker 1: him at a hotel in Phoenix. He was at the

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of things. Executive producer is Christina Everett.

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Speaker 1: She went on Olivia A Cruz with me in nineteen

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Speaker 1: host Now there is a man who dropped out of

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Speaker 1: of debt. Prologue Projects created the podcast also at Berkeley

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Speaker 1: I'm wanted on stage, See you soon