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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely

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Speaker 1: ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, October twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, season seventeen,

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Speaker 1: episode number forty eight. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At

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Speaker 1: the start, I got my full crew here, Nick Amber

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Speaker 1: and Dave Nick forty eight most quick? All right, good,

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Speaker 1: we know Moose forty eight. Joe to all time. Joe,

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Speaker 1: T stop. It's my forty eight. Yeah, I was doing.

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Speaker 1: There's a right answer, and then there's my answer. And

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Speaker 1: then Dave has an answer too, because he kind of

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Speaker 1: has all the answers. Should be Moose for forty eight. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: I'm not arguing that, no doubt perfect. All right, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna jump right in. We got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Coach McCarthy just had his press conference, and uh, I

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Speaker 1: know he Amber walked by my office and we both

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Speaker 1: looked at each other like, Wow, that was that was

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Speaker 1: interesting all to talk about Lyle Collins. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: that in just a second. I want to start first

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Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott. One thing that he said was that

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Speaker 1: he's improved every day, which is a good thing. But

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Speaker 1: he did say a few other things that were a

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Speaker 1: little curious. Let's start first with Let's start first with

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Speaker 1: how much is he expected to do today? How are

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Speaker 1: they going to kind of work him today getting ready

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Speaker 1: for this game. I mean, he's gonna he's gonna do

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Speaker 1: just kind of bounce around. It sounds like and and

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Speaker 1: and you know, throw some into their fun fundamental period,

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Speaker 1: combo period. I don't really know what all those names are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he's gonna be doing a

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Speaker 1: And that's what I feel like it'll happen now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it'll it'll probably be a game time decision. That's what

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Speaker 1: sounds right, Yeah, I think it's exactly where we thought

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Speaker 1: it would be. To be honest with you, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: start practice. They they do forty minutes of practice before

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Speaker 1: they even do anything resembling team period, so there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of it. I mean, quarterbacks have their own thing,

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Speaker 1: determine how much of team he does, if any. It's

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Speaker 1: the first practice of the week. They'll do it again

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Speaker 1: tomorrow and I'm game time. I feel like by Sunday morning,

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Speaker 1: and McCarthy's McCarthy said, you know, he's preparing as if

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Speaker 1: There were nick you sent last night. You sent us

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Speaker 1: Because obviously somebody made the decision to put this out there.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of funny because he kind of coach McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: be about how Steel is playing. Two, that the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are sending a message Slyle that maybe they weren't happy

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Speaker 1: They just temporary, This is just temporary, temporary. Well, they

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Speaker 1: you were talking about I'm hard today when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about how you may get a little bit more in

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Speaker 1: your running game with Lyle and they're a little more beef,

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Speaker 1: maybe they look at this as just the opposite. They say,

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Speaker 1: with Dak compromised a bit, we may want to run

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Speaker 1: a little bit more. We want a little more power

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Speaker 1: to be able to run a little more, And maybe

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Speaker 1: Lyle gives you that. And I know we are talking

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Speaker 1: about a ton of different scenarios and none of them

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Speaker 1: may actually be the truth. It could just be. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: we accidentally put that on the on the unofficial depth chart.

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Speaker 1: It's not that. No, no, no, no, no, no no, that's

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Speaker 1: not an accident. Well, because I mean, remember he wasn't

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Speaker 1: on the depth chart. Should say, shouldn't say accidentally, I

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Speaker 1: shouldn't say accidentally, I should say. We didn't need it

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Speaker 1: to be that big of a deal. We just kind

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Speaker 1: of put it out there because that's where we were

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Speaker 1: working for. But it might not change anything for this week.

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Speaker 1: Who knows. Before any of the stuff about the depth

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Speaker 1: chart got talked about, McCarthy offered offered up, he was like,

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Speaker 1: he's got position flex, he's going to do a little

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Speaker 1: bit of both, which he does have position flex, but

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Speaker 1: again it's a position he hasn't played in five years.

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Speaker 1: So to just all of a sudden be talking about that,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a conscious decision on their part. Is sorry, ahead, Well,

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Speaker 1: they have it on their in the media packet they

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Speaker 1: get sent out with all the stats and stuff. They

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Speaker 1: have the official stats, official stats. They also have the

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Speaker 1: unofficial depth chart, and they make it clear that it's

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Speaker 1: called the unofficial depth chart. But what we don't know?

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Speaker 1: I just sorry, but I just there's two I think

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Speaker 1: there's two possibility is we don't know, and we can't

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Speaker 1: know probably until Sunday, but they're aggravated with Lyell and

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Speaker 1: have to be following. So that's I kind of like

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Speaker 1: the second one gives us more to talk about. Last year,

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Speaker 1: we couldn't find a tackle to play right anyone now

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Speaker 1: got three tackles. I gotta move him to guard whatever.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take our first break and we

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Speaker 1: by Buckey Brooks of NFL Network. We're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: little Minnesota offense versus Dallas defense. Before we do that, though, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: I want to get your opinions. We've been talking a

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Speaker 1: lot about Lyle Collins and him kind of now playing

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Speaker 1: a little bit of guard, a little bit of tackle.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what you thought of him coming out of

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Speaker 1: college as a prospect with regards to him playing guard

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Speaker 1: versus tackle. Yeah, I thought he was best suited to

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Speaker 1: play guard at the next level. He was a big,

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Speaker 1: physical player. He was more of a Maller brawler when

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Speaker 1: you watched him on tape. And sometimes when you have

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Speaker 1: those maller types, they're better when they can play inside

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, meaning when you put him at guard, they

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Speaker 1: can use the body hill from the center and the

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Speaker 1: tackle to limit the exposure that they have the one

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Speaker 1: on one matchups. Now, you like the fact that he

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Speaker 1: had versatility that he had played in space, but when

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Speaker 1: you looked at his body type and the way that

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Speaker 1: the strength of his games were, you thought that he

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Speaker 1: was probably best suited to be a guard. Let's look

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Speaker 1: at the Vikings offense. You know, obviously what tray Von

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Speaker 1: Diggs has done has been outstanding. Is he is this

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Speaker 1: an offense where you take Justin Jefferson and you say

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Speaker 1: you go get him, but feeling so good on the

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Speaker 1: other side, should you think they should play like, just

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Speaker 1: stay to their sides and don't try to follow guys

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Speaker 1: around them. Yeah, this is a tough one because I

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Speaker 1: think you need to mix and match it. I think

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Speaker 1: you can travel at times, but I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you want to do it one hundred percent at a time,

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Speaker 1: because the guy that you leave on the backside, whether

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Speaker 1: it's Jefferson or Feeling, outstanding route runner and they have

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Speaker 1: the ability to twist dbs up in knots with their

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Speaker 1: clever craftsmanship on the perimeter. So I think you have

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Speaker 1: to kind of play it straight initially, but then in

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Speaker 1: critical situations you got to make sure that you take

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Speaker 1: away the hot receiver. You just don't know in a

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Speaker 1: week by week basis, is that going to be Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: Is that going to be Feeling. I think you have

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Speaker 1: but I think you play it straight initially to you

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Speaker 1: see how the game unfolds. I don't want to oh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he's a turnover machine,

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Speaker 1: but Kirk Cousins is relatively dependable to turn the ball

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Speaker 1: over to you over the course of his career, but

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Speaker 1: that is not the case this year. Is that simply

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Speaker 1: by virtue of having so many good players to get

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Speaker 1: the ball to, or is he playing cleaner football right now?

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Speaker 1: He's playing really well. He's playing really well. And then

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Speaker 1: the system is one that allows you to play really well.

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Speaker 1: If you're an average to above average quarterback, you can

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Speaker 1: look like an all star in this system. Everything is

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Speaker 1: really done for you. The running game starts it, and

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Speaker 1: then what they do is clever misdirection play action passes

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Speaker 1: all of their favorite running plays, and so if you're

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Speaker 1: unable to stop the run, you now expose your corners

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Speaker 1: to one on one. And I've already talked about how

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Speaker 1: both of these guys on the outside are outstanding route runners.

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Speaker 1: And so the game is really easy for Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: right now because they have players that can make his

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Speaker 1: job easy because all he has to do is hit

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Speaker 1: hit the open man. Well, going along with that, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: one of the main criticisms that the Cowboys defense has

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Speaker 1: been getting this year is allowing those explosive plays. So

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Speaker 1: just my question is pretty broad just overall, as an offense,

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Speaker 1: what do the vikings, Uh, why can't they really give

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Speaker 1: as far as like explosiveness or however you say that word. Uh, No,

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Speaker 1: that they can. They can create explosive plays in a

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Speaker 1: variety of different ways. It begins and ends with number

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Speaker 1: thirty three, though, like Dalvin Cook is the straw that

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Speaker 1: stories to drink. If he gets going as a runner,

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Speaker 1: it's problematic for you. Throughout the day. He's averaging ninety

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Speaker 1: one rushing yards a game. He is fantastic finding the

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Speaker 1: backside seam on that front side run stretched play the

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Speaker 1: day they use and so if you can't contain him,

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Speaker 1: then the big players are gonna happen in the running act.

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Speaker 1: If you contain him by dropping extra defenders in the box,

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Speaker 1: then your guys on the outside have to hold up

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Speaker 1: against Jefferson and Celand and what they're going to do

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Speaker 1: based on what other teams are done against the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna see double moves on the outside, particularly on

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Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs. Inside, they will try and bait the trap

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Speaker 1: and see if he east the cheese and see if

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Speaker 1: they can get a player two over the top. They

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Speaker 1: will also do some clever things to see if they

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Speaker 1: can get the safeties being a little nosy, maybe two

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Speaker 1: noisy in the box. And you will see some deep

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Speaker 1: overs where the running back I mean pot up in

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Speaker 1: a tight, nasty split and run a diagonal across the

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Speaker 1: field with a post coming behind it. Very similar to

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Speaker 1: the way the Seattle Seahawks hurt the Cowboys a year

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Speaker 1: ago up there. So you will see a lot of

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Speaker 1: those things and they're gonna do it five to seven

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Speaker 1: times to see if they can catch your guys sleeping,

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Speaker 1: and if you do, you're talking about a twenty five

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Speaker 1: fifty yard play that eventually leads the points for the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: Let's stick with the running game a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit more about that Dallas's

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Speaker 1: defense struggled a bid against New England's power run attack.

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Speaker 1: What was the problem that you saw in that game

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Speaker 1: with regards to Dallas's rush defense and is Minnesota capable

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Speaker 1: of presenting some of those same types of problems. One.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota's absolutely capable of creating those problems. It's very similar

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Speaker 1: to the game that the Cowboys played a year go

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Speaker 1: against the Cleveland Browns. Same running game, same system, same concepts.

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Speaker 1: They're going to test you and test your discipline. The

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Speaker 1: same missions typically occurred when the Cowboys are struggling against

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Speaker 1: the run. Lack of gap integrity and the inability to

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Speaker 1: get off blocked at the line of scrimmage, So the

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Speaker 1: d line has to force the Minnesota Vikings to kind

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Speaker 1: of play on their heels, meaning they are playing on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the line of scrimmage. The penetration

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Speaker 1: of attack. If there's any voids at the point of

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Speaker 1: attack Dalvin Cook, Alexander Madison, they're going to find those creases.

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Speaker 1: They're going to cut back. So this is a test

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Speaker 1: and not only your physical prowess at the point of attack,

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Speaker 1: but are you discipline enough to stay and you're a

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Speaker 1: signed gap because if you jump outside of your gap

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Speaker 1: trying to make a play, their running backs will unable

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Speaker 1: to find decrease and it would end up being a

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Speaker 1: big play. Bucky is Layton vander esher better player now

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Speaker 1: than he was his rookie year. That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: He's playing really well. I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if dan Quinn is kind of whisper sweet,

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Speaker 1: nothing's in his ear and got him going, But he's

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Speaker 1: definitely playing at a pro Bowl level. When you watch

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Speaker 1: him play, his athleticism still stands out. His instincts and

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Speaker 1: awareness allows him to play fast and so, yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is some of the best football they we've seen from LVEE.

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Speaker 1: And then what happens typically when you have a guy

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Speaker 1: like Michael Parsons and Randy Gregory and Trey Vun Diggs,

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Speaker 1: guys who I kind of view as energizers, it kind

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Speaker 1: of raises the level of everybody on that defense because ultimately,

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Speaker 1: all these guys are very competitive, and when you're watching

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Speaker 1: the tape and you see Michael Parsons make a play,

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Speaker 1: you see Randy Gregory make a play, you see Diggs

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Speaker 1: make a play, everybody wants to get in on the action.

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Speaker 1: I think he's lb playing well. But also the competitiveness

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Speaker 1: of hey man, I got some dudes around me. I

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Speaker 1: need to step up my game. So I also can

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Speaker 1: get him held on the fund. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: love a good draft question. Buck. Christian Derris Saw made

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Speaker 1: an intriguing matchup because I would imagine he'll be seeing

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Speaker 1: Randy Gregory a lot. How did he look against Carolina?

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Speaker 1: How does he how does he project? I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: he was a good player. He was a good player

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Speaker 1: coming out of Virginia Tech. He has sides, he's athletic,

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Speaker 1: he has physical things that can give you problems. I

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Speaker 1: would say this though, he's going to be tested by

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Speaker 1: Randy Gregory's motor and his athleticism. If you're not packing

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Speaker 1: your lunch to deal with Randy Gregory, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a long day for you because he is going to

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Speaker 1: test you not only with his ability to get on

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Speaker 1: the outside on speed rushes, but slipping inside, but just

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Speaker 1: the NonStop activity. And so for Ricky this is gonna

668
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Speaker 1: be a big test because normally in college you don't

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Speaker 1: get hit with fastballs. Down after down after down. Ninety

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Speaker 1: four is going to test him, So it'd be a

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Speaker 1: big battle. You've covered a lot of ground already, but

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Speaker 1: with both teams coming off a bye week, I mean,

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Speaker 1: which of the two should benefit the most one? You know,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys hopping on a roll and then you got

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Speaker 1: the Vikings that kind of hopping right there on the

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Speaker 1: line with winning games not winning games. So which one

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Speaker 1: really benefits the most this week? Well, the Cowboys been

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Speaker 1: for the most because of the offense, because Dak Prescott

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Speaker 1: should be able to play if it was without a

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Speaker 1: bye he probably wouldn't have been able to play or

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Speaker 1: either been compromised. So the Cowboys getting the biggest benefit

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Speaker 1: in terms of the bye week and how both teams

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Speaker 1: use it. Typically, what you want to do is clean

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Speaker 1: up the issues that have presented themselves the first part

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Speaker 1: of the season. So for the Cowboys, it's about making

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Speaker 1: sure how can we curb the big plays that we're

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Speaker 1: allowing Trayvon Dix. How can we make sure that despite

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Speaker 1: your success picking off passes, we're still a little tighter

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Speaker 1: with the coverage. We don't let the ball flower ahead

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Speaker 1: in the run game. The new England Patriots began to

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Speaker 1: gash us up front. Can we tighten it up? Because

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Speaker 1: it's a copycat league, other teams are going to see

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Speaker 1: what the Patriots did in the run game and they're

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Speaker 1: going to emulate that and see if the Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: fixed those issues. The Cowboys should benefit because of Dad

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Speaker 1: coming back, but because the level playing field because the

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Speaker 1: bike has had time off as well. One more real

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Speaker 1: quick question before we end Bucky Minnesota's offense was the

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Speaker 1: only offense so I mean, Minnesota's offense was only slowed

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Speaker 1: once this season. That was against Cleveland in Week four.

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Speaker 1: They only were allowed seven points. I had a fifty

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Speaker 1: two percent completion percentage, only one hundred and ninety yards

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Speaker 1: passing sixty five yards rushing. So it was not a

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Speaker 1: great day for them. What did Cleveland do that other

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Speaker 1: teams have not been able to do this season against

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Speaker 1: this high powered Minnesota offense. Well, at the time, Cleveland's

707
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Speaker 1: defense was loaded with firepower at the front line, and

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Speaker 1: so everything started with Miles Garrett, but you had Tack McKinley,

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Speaker 1: you had Ja Damon Clowney and all those guys like

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Speaker 1: Hunting just relentless pressure. And then Joe Woods was dialing

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Speaker 1: up the pressure, kind of figuring out different ways to

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Speaker 1: be able to make Kirk Cousins uncomfortable. Because I would

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Speaker 1: say this about Kirk Cousins. If he can play on

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Speaker 1: the script, he's outstanding. But if you can disrupt the

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Speaker 1: timing and make it money for him by either getting

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Speaker 1: penetration or disrupting some of the timing of the routes

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Speaker 1: on the outside, you certainly can make him uncomfortable. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the ability to improvise and kind of make

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Speaker 1: it right when the initial play breaks down. So constant

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Speaker 1: and persistent pressure is how the Cleveland Browns were able

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Speaker 1: to do it. For the Cowboys, they have to figure

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Speaker 1: out a way to do it. Is that Randy Gregory?

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Speaker 1: Is that Michael Parsons? Is that someone else who can

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Speaker 1: create that steady disruption with and without having to bring

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Speaker 1: an additional Russian? All right, appreciate you joining us, Bucky.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with you tomorrow. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about the Minnesota this time about the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: want to get one question in before we end the show.

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Speaker 1: He did. We did ask Bucky a little bit about

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Speaker 1: Diggs and I think Nicky, you were the one to

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Speaker 1: ask him that question. I'd love to get you guys's

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Speaker 1: opinion on how you think you best deploy a guy

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Speaker 1: like Treyvon Diggs this week when you have a team

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Speaker 1: that you're facing where you got two really really good

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. Do you take one away or we'll try

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Speaker 1: to take one away with Trayvon Diggs and maybe double

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Speaker 1: the other, or do you, as Bucky said, kind of

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Speaker 1: mixed it up and maybe it's straight for a while

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Speaker 1: and then see if there are moments later in the

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Speaker 1: game where you choose to do that based upon how

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Speaker 1: you think Minnesota's trying to attack you. With all due

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Speaker 1: respect to Adam Feeling and maybe I'm a little emotionally compromised,

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Speaker 1: I know this is the going. Justin Jefferson's special man.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's he is picking up right well too.

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Speaker 1: Though Justin Jefferson is playing as well or better than

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Speaker 1: anyone in the league right now. I mean, well, I

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Speaker 1: didn't say that, you said that. I'm just saying he

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Speaker 1: play absolutely But I just want Chase we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I think he is a I think bow he's absolutely dynamic.

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Speaker 1: He can play inside, he can play outside. When he

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Speaker 1: went to the bye he was the only receiver in

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Speaker 1: the league who'd had at least sixty five yards every

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Speaker 1: week of the season. Um, I just when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about who can, it's a classic case of if that's

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna do, I want Trayvon on Jefferson and

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Speaker 1: let everybody else handle a feeling as best. Jefferson. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't, I really am. I put Digs

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Speaker 1: double this side over here. That's what I would do.

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Speaker 1: I'd roll coverage to help Anthony Brown on Jefferson and

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Speaker 1: just say you gotta stop dealing Diggs. Stop him. He's

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Speaker 1: a good route runner. That's what I would do. And

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman the other day said that was their biggest

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Speaker 1: fear when they were playing Dion Sanders. Every time. They

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Speaker 1: hated when they did that, when Dion would take Harper,

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Speaker 1: take Harper out of the game and they would double Michael.

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Speaker 1: They they that was their biggest where do you go? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm saying Troy said that, and he had a

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Speaker 1: pretty good running back too. Yeah, So but I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I still think Theeeland can beat Diggs

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, yeah, and maybe maybe beat him,

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Speaker 1: but maybe not beat him to the point where he's

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Speaker 1: beating other teams, and maybe it's not enough. Is the point, Like,

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Speaker 1: how do you limit them enough to where you still

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Speaker 1: wouldn't confuse cousins. You can't just give him the same

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Speaker 1: thing every time. I got to switch it up. We

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Speaker 1: I feel like we oversimplify it sometimes on this show.

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Speaker 1: It ain't it ain't gonna be one thing all the

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Speaker 1: time for sixty five snaps. They're gonna disguise stuff, They're

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Speaker 1: gonna change it up. I doubt I don't know that

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Speaker 1: Diggs has Diggs just followed one guy every snap of

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Speaker 1: every single snap he's on that guy. I don't have

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Speaker 1: that number in front of I don't know that I

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Speaker 1: know that he travels. I don't think he does it

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Speaker 1: like exclusively, just like Hugo wherever Ego. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: feel like Keenan Allen that game. I feel like he

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Speaker 1: Evans a lot. I just don't know about like one

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Speaker 1: under snaps either. Just to go ahead, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say that that you look at the Bucks game. That

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Speaker 1: kind of team from the standpoint, they had multiple receiving weapons. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and they decided they were going to travel, and the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks at all. I'm just saying like that was a

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Speaker 1: similar type of set up where you had that number

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Speaker 1: of really great wide receipt Nick's point, a guy that

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Speaker 1: Diggs wasn't with killed him in that game about So

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just maybe you're right, what focus

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Speaker 1: That's the guy who's gonna kill you here in my opinion. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he makes dealings so much better too, because

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Speaker 1: he is a really really good route runner, and so

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Speaker 1: you can't just put some other corner on him because

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Speaker 1: he'll he'll burn him as well. And then they got

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Speaker 1: a running game to match, So it's gonna be it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a tough one. Yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 1: not and I know I've I've seen this from fans

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Speaker 1: already where they're talking about this game. They're like, man,

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Speaker 1: here we go again. Every week they're like, oh, this

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Speaker 1: where you're gonna face it. But I'm like, that's this

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Speaker 1: team though, that that's the NFL. No. Well, but no

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Speaker 1: team that's good. That is bs. If anybody feels that way,

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Speaker 1: because we've been on here damn near just we've been

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Speaker 1: writing w on the schedule on Monday for the last month.

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Speaker 1: And big blowouts too. Well. Obviously yes, those two division

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Speaker 1: games we absolutely did. But obviously when we talked about

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Speaker 1: the Chargers game, we talked about it like this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be a really good team, and they were. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, they really were. Shoot, I picked

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Speaker 1: him to beat the Patriots by eighteen. How'd that work out?

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Speaker 1: I Mean, I've been nervously there for a second. Any

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Speaker 1: if anybody's I mean, you should be taking this game seriously.

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Speaker 1: And if you think that we haven't been well and

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Speaker 1: if you think we have, like we haven't been pumping

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Speaker 1: anybody up for the last month. We've been like they're

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Speaker 1: gonna roll over these guys, I would be shocked if

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Speaker 1: that happens on Sunday. Even with two healthy calves, I

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Speaker 1: think this would be a tough game. All right, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys, jan Us. We'll be back tomorrow. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Minnesota defense versus the Cowboys offense.

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Speaker 1: Till then for Nick Even, Dave Helman, Amber Garcia. I

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Speaker 1: am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on

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