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Speaker 2: Hopefully everyone is doing well, having a good day, having

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Speaker 2: a good start to your week. Jade Daniels having a

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Speaker 2: And it also speaks like random guys a bigger programs.

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Speaker 2: And these two guys on top of Caleb just answered

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Speaker 1: or the other? You see what I'm saying, and then

426
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Speaker 1: you hear it. You hear it regardless of what it is,

427
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Speaker 1: the good or the bad, and you hear it more

428
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Speaker 1: and more. You start to actually believe that, I don't

429
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Speaker 1: care who you are, you can be the president of

430
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Speaker 1: the United States. You have a terrible person that's telling

431
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Speaker 1: you things that you don't want to hear or that

432
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't be hearing, You're going to start to

433
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Speaker 1: believe that about yourself. And so that's sort of like

434
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Speaker 1: what ended up happening, and it was, I mean, it's

435
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Speaker 1: basically been what two years of training that out of

436
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Speaker 1: not just me, but you know, a couple of the

437
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Speaker 1: guys as well that have been years since my rookie year,

438
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Speaker 1: all the way Towne now.

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Speaker 2: Well, on the president thing, I don't know if Biden's

440
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: remembering much negative or positive that he's hearing. But on

441
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: a serious note, I think one overarching angle that all

442
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: these Belichick assistants take is clearly they just try to

443
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: copy Bill and are awful with quarterbacks. Patricia didn't get

444
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Speaker 2: along with Stafford. Obviously, Flores was a royal a hole

445
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: the Tua. Josh McDaniels that situation when it came to

446
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: quarterback and Derek Carr blew up after a year. We

447
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: can debate Derek all we want. He gets along with

448
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: everybody because I think they saw the way Bill treated

449
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: Tom and they try to do the same. That doesn't work,

450
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 2: and Flores became pretty polarizing the lawsuit. He claimed Stephen

451
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: Ross tried to pay him to tank, which I got

452
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Speaker 2: news for you. He should have because that would have

453
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Speaker 2: led to Joe Burrow. But what that changed in anything,

454
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: like would he had treated Joe Burrow that much different

455
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: than Tua? I don't know. I remember talking to assistant

456
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: years ago about Flores and all these assistant coaches know

457
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: other assistants, they talk to each other NonStop, and he

458
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: was like, I can't even explain to you the things

459
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm hearing from the Miami offensive coaches how terrible Flores

460
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Speaker 2: is with those guys, and clearly that included Tua. And listen,

461
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Speaker 2: I'm not acting, you know me, like Tua is some

462
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: star here. But what's the point of beating the guy

463
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: down every day like he's on your team. You kind

464
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 2: of need the guy. Are you questioning his mental toughness?

465
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Speaker 2: He just comes from Nick Saban. This guy's not coming

466
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Speaker 2: from cal Pauly or UC Davis. He's clearly been pushed

467
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: and driven pretty hard. And if you can't deal with

468
00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 2: the offensive coaching staff slash quarterback, you will never be

469
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Speaker 2: a head coach in this league. So even if you

470
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Speaker 2: remove the lawsuits and everything that happened with the alleged

471
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Speaker 2: being paid six figures to tank, once you get the

472
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Speaker 2: label of being awful with quarterbacks and awful with offensive

473
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Speaker 2: staff members and you're a defensive guy, you're untouchable. You

474
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Speaker 2: really are. I mean, we can debate all we want

475
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Speaker 2: about some of these defensive coaches. Mike Tomlin might have

476
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Speaker 2: an awful season this year. It's because his quarterbacks suck,

477
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Speaker 2: not that he can't deal with him. Russell's just not

478
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Speaker 2: good enough neither, justin fields. And if they end up

479
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Speaker 2: going seven to ten and it's a disaster, it won't

480
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Speaker 2: be because Mike can't handle that unit in that group

481
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Speaker 2: and deal with those guys as human beings. Look at

482
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Speaker 2: John Harbaugh the way he deals with Lamar. He said,

483
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Speaker 2: like two weeks ago, I wanted to be the best

484
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Speaker 2: quarterback of all time. Any young person, if you make

485
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Speaker 2: it to the NFL as a quarterback and you're highly drafted, guy,

486
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: more than likely like you got some metal toughness to you.

487
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Speaker 2: You really do. And if I'm gonna draft you fifth overall,

488
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Speaker 2: like I have to believe in some of your intangible characteristics.

489
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: And this goes back to Patricia Matt Stafford was established,

490
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 2: couldn't stand the guy, Josh McDaniels and Derek Carr. That

491
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: thing was a disaster and it was it was bad fast.

492
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Speaker 2: This to me, though, is like I don't view to

493
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Speaker 2: us some like hot take just throwing things out there.

494
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Speaker 2: You see it in his eyes, like this guy beat

495
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Speaker 2: me down every single day. And if you're a young

496
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Speaker 2: person in any walk of life, no matter what your

497
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: industry is, no matter if you're the fifth pick in

498
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Speaker 2: the draft or you're like an intern you know at

499
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: some firm, having some people to give you some positive

500
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: reinforcement does help. It doesn't mean they can't be on

501
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Speaker 2: your ass and push you to be better. Anyone worth

502
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: their salt can take some of that. But if all

503
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: you hear every single day twenty four to seven is

504
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: negative stuff. Bill could pull it off because no matter

505
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: what they were gonna be in the AFC Championship Game

506
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: or win, well, when you're not winning and you just

507
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 2: have to deal with negativity all the time, no one

508
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: can overcome that. It's not possible. It really isn't because

509
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: it's already negative that you're losing, and then it's just

510
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: negative in your building. Like I heard when Josh McDaniels

511
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: with the Raiders, the atmosphere in the building couldn't have

512
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: been any worse like that. That's not a way to

513
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: operate in twenty twenty four. Like times do change in

514
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: terms of I believe that guys in the NFL now

515
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: still like to be pushed hard. Most of the good

516
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: players have no problem being coached hard, getting screamed. Most

517
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: of them, depending on your position, get yelled at all

518
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Speaker 2: the time. But like, is there anything substance behind it

519
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: or is it just yelling to yell? Is it just

520
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: being a dick to be a dick? And all I

521
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: ever heard from people in the league like that's what

522
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: was happening, And clearly you just listen to two it,

523
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Speaker 2: Like what do you expect and I'm telling you, like

524
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Speaker 2: Brian Flores, how could you hire him? After watching that?

525
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Speaker 2: How could you hire him? You're telling me the most

526
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Speaker 2: important guy in my position or on my team, the quarterback,

527
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: the guy. If it goes well, I am going to

528
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: pay by far, the most money in the history of

529
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Speaker 2: my team, and we're gonna treat that guy crappy. It

530
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you have to circle jerk them every day.

531
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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean every day Andy and Veach come into

532
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: the office, they get on their knees and they bow

533
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: to Patrick Mahomes. But you kinda not everyone should be

534
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: treated the same. In some of these high end industries,

535
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: some people are more valuable than others. That's just a reality.

536
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: And when I saw this, I was like, I had

537
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: heard rumblings obviously, but when you hear it coming from

538
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: to his mouth, you go, yeah, I get it. I

539
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: would have ran him out of town too. Don't expect

540
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 2: to get hired when that's on your resume. I'm sorry,

541
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: because the other thing is we can debate how much

542
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: too his worth and should they have paid him. But

543
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: another coach came in, who's an offensive guy, treated him well,

544
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: and they've gone to the playoffs two three years. Because

545
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: no one can argue flor is really good defensive coordinator,

546
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing. How when he was in Miami

547
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: they were good on defense, Like Forlorest is really good.

548
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: But if you can't deal with the quarterback, how can

549
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: anyone trust you to run the team? Head? Shaky? Really

550
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: is okay? This story I we had to talk about.

551
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: It's just I don't even know where to start. But

552
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: Goster Cherlis, former high pick offensive lineman massive dude, was

553
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: on a plane flight. He was going from Boss to Ireland.

554
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: It was an overnight flight and I guess the flight

555
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: had been delayed a lot. And the headline I saw

556
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: is that former offensive lineman is arrested for emptying his

557
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: entire bladder for twenty seconds on the person sitting next

558
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: to him. I mean, I'm sorry, like it's not funny,

559
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: but it kinda is funny. I mean, you're telling me

560
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: on a flight, this dude that used to listen. I

561
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: don't even if you were sitting in first class. A

562
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: dude six ' six three eighty pounds is by far

563
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: the biggest human on the plane. And then he gets

564
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: up in the middle of the flight and he takes

565
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: a leak on you al timer, and I thought, is

566
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: this guy just annihilated wasted? And then I saw his

567
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: statement because he rested got in trouble clearly, and it

568
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: kind of made sense. He said that the flight was

569
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Speaker 2: unexpected delayed for a plox approximately four hours. In preparation

570
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: for the expected overnight flight, I took sleeping medication that

571
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't normally use, which resulted in behavior that is

572
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: not representative of my character. I would like to apologize

573
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: to the passengers and the flight crew. I guess he

574
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: was uh that they tried to get him to leave

575
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: the plane, but he became irate and uncooperative. I will

576
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: say this, I've used ambient a few times in my life.

577
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: Not a huge sleep aid guy, because I hate that

578
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: feeling in the morning of not being super fresh. But

579
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: I remember, probably seven eight years ago, I wasn't sleeping well.

580
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: I had a buddy told me about it. Obviously a

581
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: lot of people use it, and uh, I used it

582
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Speaker 2: for a little bit. I had a prescription and I

583
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: didn't really like it one because like I could take

584
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: melotonein or something and I can still watch TV and

585
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: kind of doze off in am with and I'm gonna

586
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: assume that's what he took. If you're not used to

587
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: taking it, if you stay up for a little bit

588
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: after taking it, when you're kind of feeling tired, you

589
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: don't remember anything. I remember there were times I had

590
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: a phone call and some other stuff on it, and

591
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: you realize you don't remember a thing. So it is

592
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: not inconceivable that if you had to take a leak

593
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: and you were on a plane and you're an ambient

594
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: and you're not used to taking it, like there could

595
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: be video of you just taking a leak on you know,

596
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: on Julie sitting next to you, and you're like, I

597
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: have no recollection of any of that. That is not me.

598
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to do that. I didn't try to

599
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: do that. I wouldn't do that. That was not actually

600
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: me as a human being. So while the headline it's

601
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: pretty hilarious because I can't imagine sitting like on the

602
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: next row and looking over and just seeing this dude,

603
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: because I would imagine she's asleep, just emptying the tank

604
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: her and obviously when you're that big, the tank ain't small,

605
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: and then realizing like, guys, this is gonna sound crazy,

606
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: and I don't know. Maybe he's got checkered past. I

607
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: don't know much about his history. From a character standpoint,

608
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm assuming good guy. Listen, guys, we're going on a

609
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: long flight. Wanted to pop an ambient, take a little

610
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: take a little snooze, Get up Ireland, be ready to

611
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: rock and roll. I don't remember doing that. That ain't

612
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: me so sucked for him, man, because I there's no excuse.

613
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Speaker 2: You're probably banned for life on that airline. Okay, Middlecoff

614
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: mail back time at John Middlecoff Instagram. Fire in those dms.

615
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Speaker 2: Get your question answered here on this little show we

616
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Speaker 2: call three and out at John Middlecoff Instagram. Eric, Big

617
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Speaker 2: Bills fan, I'll understand the Bill's love for Trubisky. The

618
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Speaker 2: Bill signed him to be a backup, even after a

619
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Speaker 2: terrible couple years in Pittsburgh, struggles with throws down the field,

620
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: and his pocket awareness is poor. I understand the Bills

621
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Speaker 2: can't sign Burrow or Jordan Love to back up Allen,

622
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: but Trubisky gives the Bills zero chance to compete if

623
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Speaker 2: Alan goes down. Bill's legend Steve Tasker states that the

624
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: Bills value the backup quarterback what he can do in

625
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: the locker room and in the film room. That is

626
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: why Trubisky is valued by the Bills. You know. Sometimes

627
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: I'll just be like hanging around watching TV or whatever

628
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: and scroll through dms, and a lot of them I

629
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: end up reading on the show. Sometimes I'll just manually answer,

630
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: and I saw one recently that the guy wanted the

631
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: question answered on the show, and who knows, I might

632
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: not get to it or refine it. But under the

633
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 2: same vein as what goes into evaluating a backup quarterback. Now,

634
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: the reality is is you're not looking to find your

635
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: future wife right Your starter's already established most of the time,

636
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: So a backup is really just a contingency plan that

637
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: you want to avoid at all costs. There aren't that

638
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Speaker 2: many options, like a bar at two in the morning,

639
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: you know. Tom Moore was famously asked one time by

640
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Speaker 2: John Gruden, who was at a practice I think for

641
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: Monday Night Football, right, like the Monday Night Football was

642
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: doing the Colts games. So they were at a Colts

643
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: practice on like Saturday, and went up to Tom Moore,

644
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: legendary coach, and asked them why the backup got zero

645
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: reps during practice? And Tom looked at him and he said,

646
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: if eighteen goes down, we're fucked, and we don't practice fucked.

647
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: So it's easy to have the logic. And clearly we

648
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: saw Peyton went down. They had the number one overall pick,

649
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: and I think that would happen for a lot of teams,

650
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: right like if Patrick Mahomes went down for two months

651
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: and he's great, but he could only do so much.

652
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: With Carson Wentz. We saw when Matt Stafford went down.

653
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: You're at a disadvantage, no matter what I do think

654
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: when you value this stuff, and obviously economics play a

655
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: part in it. Once you have a highly paid quarterback

656
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 2: and a highly paid team, you're gonna want to sign

657
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: a backup for probably less than three four million dollars.

658
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: Ideally you'd like to get a guy for like one

659
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: and a half two million dollars. But I'm with you

660
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: on Trubisky. If Mitch Trubisky has to play, we saw

661
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: last year, you will lose. It's an automatic loss. I

662
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: know people that have worked with Mitch in terms of

663
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: being in a building which he was a team of,

664
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: really well liked, and this goes We talk about this

665
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: a lot. Being well liked is kind of important in

666
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: most professions, it goes a long way having people vouch

667
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: for you. I do understand the problem in this situation

668
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: of like and I think I read it a trubisky

669
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: got hurt, gonna miss a couple of weeks. But you

670
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Speaker 2: have a guy like that on your roster automatic L

671
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: auto L. So he's great in the film room, which

672
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that means helps Josh just in

673
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: terms of like almost like another coach there. He's great

674
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: in the locker room. Okay, he's a good guy like

675
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: that can't be my barometer if the guy can't play

676
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: dead in the Western And I think that's a tough

677
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: balance to kind of strike because, like you said, what

678
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: if Josh has not a season ender but just high

679
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: ankle spring out for a month? Can the guy go

680
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: two and two? That's the way I would ask it

681
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: if I was a coach in GM, can we go

682
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: two and two in a situation with this? Obviously we'd

683
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: have to play well, we'd have to help him out.

684
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: But can we go two and two? Or does it

685
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: feel like an auto zero to four best case one

686
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: in three? If that's the case, I just think you can't.

687
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: He can't be the backup quarterback can't happen, but the

688
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: value of being a good guy goes a long way.

689
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota, Mitch Trubisky, Mark Sanchez fell into this category.

690
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: Chase Daniel. When they really like you in the other

691
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: quarterback who's the star likes you, that's usually the trump

692
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: card and you just do Tom Moore Pray doesn't get hurt.

693
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: Trying to figure out why Perdy was the only starter

694
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: to play in the weeks two in the preseason for

695
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. Is the idea that Kyle Shanahan

696
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: is still a little unsure about Brock Purty Well, Kyle

697
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: gave the answer that Brock wanted to play and Brox

698
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: a need the reps, which I understand I get, Like

699
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: I support any quarterback, go I value this time. I

700
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: want to get some reps. I want to get hit.

701
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: I heard I was talking to an offensive coordinator in

702
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: a quarterback took a hit and they were getting on

703
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: him the next day in the meeting room and the

704
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: quarterback was like, I wanted to feel it. I wanted

705
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: to feel the pads. And they're like, I get it,

706
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: but you can't take that hit. But the point is,

707
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: like you don't get hit in practice. You want to

708
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: get the live ut all for it. My issue with

709
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers was simply like, if he's going

710
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: to be out there, Deebo and Kittle got to be

711
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: out there with him. Andy ain't putting my homes out

712
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: there with Kelsey and all the starting receivers sitting next

713
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: to him in sweats. So if Perty wants to do it,

714
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: if Kyle's cool with it, I get it. But you

715
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: got to give him the guys that are sitting in

716
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: sweats eating sunflower seats. That was my whole question. They

717
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: literally played another team who rolled out of their starting

718
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: offense with the starters, so it gives the quarterback a

719
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: chance to be successful, like Trent's not there. I get it,

720
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: But Andy plays the starters. He plays everybody. Tomlin plays everybody.

721
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: I don't know doesn't I'm still baffled by that one

722
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: big van packer guy Senegal West Africa International show baby.

723
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: If Green Bay makes it to the NFC Championship Game

724
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: and Love puts up MVP numbers this year, is he

725
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 2: definitely a top five quarterback in the league for you.

726
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: I feel like he was unfairly criticized in the first

727
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: half of the season. Granted he wasn't great, but he

728
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: was working with the rookies and inconsistent sophomores and was

729
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: always going to struggle. I think we struggle. I think

730
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: Ryan Rossillo is really good at this about we overreact

731
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: to half a season to one year over bodies of work.

732
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: Like it's pretty hard if Burle comes back and is healthy. Like,

733
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: there are just some stalwarts right now that are playing

734
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: at a really high level. Right. Mahome's been doing it

735
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: for how many years now, eighteen to twenty four, Josh

736
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: Allen's been doing it now four or five straight years.

737
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson's been doing it since twenty nineteen. Right, So

738
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, like these guys resume to be

739
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: a great player. It's about doing it for a long

740
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: period of time. You could argue if CJ does it again,

741
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got two full years of playing at

742
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: a high level. So is he a top five quarterback?

743
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: He definitely has top five talent characteristics. But to me,

744
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: to consider you a top five quarterback, you have to

745
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: do it over and over and over again. That's where

746
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: I think Herbert becomes such a polarizing individual because his

747
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: teams haven't won. I blame Brendon Staley a big year

748
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: for him to kind of either shut everyone up or

749
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: continue to be polarizing. It's my defensive party. Like if

750
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: perty has another good season, the Niners win eleven twelve

751
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: games and throws thirty plus touchdowns, Like you can nitpick

752
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: him because he's short. I mean, but it was drafted late.

753
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: But it's hard to dispute what he's doing playing well

754
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: in big games because I could see someone like, well,

755
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: you toua, you gotta play well in big games. Got

756
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: to play well in the playoff games. In playoff games

757
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: also factor in December when you're playing for seed and

758
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: playing for the division. I saw to day that I

759
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: don't even was it a real headline? I say you

760
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: on Instagram. Gino Smith wants a new contract. Mike Garrilfalla

761
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: might have said that. I just I just laughed, like you,

762
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: good luck, buddy, and I like Geno Smith, But new contract?

763
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: Come on? What do you think the NFL's dream Super

764
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: Bowl matchup would be for viewership for the brand. I

765
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: think it would be Chiefs versus Cowboys Mahomes going for

766
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: the three peat to make history in the Cowboys, the

767
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: biggest brand in North America sports, making their long awaited

768
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: return to the Super Bowl. Yeah, I would say this

769
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: year would be the Chiefs going for the three peat.

770
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: I mean, the Cowboys are the biggest brand in the NFL,

771
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: so it'd be them. I mean, the Niners are up

772
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 2: there and they got one hundred and twenty five million people,

773
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: So how many Cowboy fans didn't watch the Super Bowl?

774
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: To be my question? Like the Super Bowl you need stars,

775
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: but like, would there be that big of a difference

776
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: if it was Chiefs, Packers, Chiefs, Chiefs, Lions. You know,

777
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: how many more people from one hundred and twenty five million,

778
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: which is a very strong educated guest, But clearly a

779
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: lot of people are watching the super Bowl? Like how

780
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: many more people can watch Super Bowl?

781
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: Now?

782
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: My question is if you're not watching the Super Bowl,

783
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: what are you doing on that given day? Reading? Maybe

784
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: trying to get more intelligent? Maybe, I don't know, what

785
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: do you do? I often think about and people, I

786
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: think you watch so much sports, imagine what you're missing

787
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: out in life. There's probably some truth to that. I'm

788
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: sure if I didn't watch as much football as I watch,

789
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: and definitely as much golf as I watch, I'd probably

790
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: read more books. I'd probably I'd go on a decent

791
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: amount of walks. I just don't know what else I

792
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 2: would do. Beside you could say you would read more, okay,

793
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: but other than that, like, what else would I do?

794
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: Not a big hobby guy. I play golf. That's it now.

795
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: That takes up some time, but never gonna get the

796
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: pick a ball, just refuse. What do people do? Often

797
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: wondered that it's like Jerry, what do they do? Mail

798
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: back question? As the preseason winds down and with your

799
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: scouting experience, what do teams look for in their stre

800
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: This was the question in their second string quarterback. I

801
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: think ideally most teams want a guy that they can win.

802
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 2: They look at it like a month right, because if Mahomes,

803
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Lamar, those guys go down for the season,

804
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: you're in major trouble. We all acknowledge that. But if

805
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: I lose my guy for three weeks, can if I

806
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 2: do a good enough job coaching, if my defense plays well,

807
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: can we go two and three? Depending on the schedule,

808
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: can we win a game? Like I bet Andy right

809
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 2: now and veach Field pretty good? They're like we could

810
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: win a game with Carson Wentz. I think the forty

811
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: nine ers feel good, like we could win a game

812
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: with Joshua adopts a game, and then like the Bills,

813
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: guy hit me, we can't win a game with mitchter Bisky.

814
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: I saw him with the Steelers last year. They couldn't

815
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: win a game. I mean it was what was was

816
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: it the Colts on Christmas or maybe it was a

817
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: Saturday game? I mean it was. It was embarrassing. It

818
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: was unwatchable. So I think you try to find the

819
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: balance of can we win a game. That's why the

820
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: Eagles got Kenny Pickett because they go, can we just

821
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: win a game with this guy? Then you watching the

822
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: preseason go, I don't know. You have to check the

823
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: other boxes. Low maintenance, zero issues. Starting. Quarterback likes you,

824
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: Quarterback coach OC likes you. You're well versed in football,

825
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: you know, oh the playbook, you can help guys out.

826
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: You're a good teammate. I would say positive. I need

827
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: good vibes. So ideally, first I can win a game

828
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 2: with you, and then there's a ton of intangibles. You're

829
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: cheap for NFL standards, a couple of million bucks, you're

830
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: positive guy, optimistic, Come in, you're not negative. You know

831
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: the playbook, you practice and work hard, and again I

832
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: never think of you. You are the last guy I

833
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: would expect that in the morning, my PR guy, my

834
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: SICATA security, my GM walks in the door and goes,

835
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: we got a problem. You have to be last on

836
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: the list of we expect this to be the last

837
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: human to get in trouble here. So it's why I said,

838
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys that play for all this

839
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: time saw Colt McCoy retired today. I would imagine Colt

840
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: McCoy's approval rating with offensive coordinators, with his teammates, with

841
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: his quarterback rooms is really high. I mean close to

842
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: a ten out of ten. That's how you play twelve

843
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: years as a backup. And I would imagine a lot

844
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: of offensive coordinators and head coaches go, yeah, we probably could

845
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: have won a couple games with them if we had to.

846
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: For our team's good first time messaging listening for over

847
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: two years. Great job. I like this guy, Jake, appreciate

848
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: you lifelong Raiders fan living in your old neck of

849
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: the woods near Walnut Creek. Know that area. Will My

850
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: question to you is, after watching the Netflix doc and

851
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: seeing what we've seen out of the Raiders quarterback play

852
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: this preseason, would you blame Adams requesting a trade if

853
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: they start slow. He seems like a great human being,

854
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: a real professional, and I feel like he deserves a

855
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: chance elsewhere beside Kansas City to win before he's done.

856
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: Obviously hurts to say is a Raider fan, but that's

857
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: the truth. Plus, they would get a haul for him.

858
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, I think there's a slippery slope right now

859
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: with him that if this goes poorly, his value just

860
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: naturally goes down a little bit. If you think about

861
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: when the Raiders traded for him, they gave up a lot,

862
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: didn't they give up? I don't know the trade in

863
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: front of me. It was at a one and a

864
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: two and like a five, and he was worth it.

865
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: I mean, he was in the peak of his powers.

866
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: He's still really good. If you put DeVante Adams on

867
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: the Ravens, on the Bills, on the Chiefs, on the Niners,

868
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: on the Rams, he'd fucking dominate. But when you're on

869
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: a bad team and you just don't get as many

870
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: opportunities in the offensive, disaster like, your value goes down.

871
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you're still not an excellent player. I

872
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: remember seeing this thing on Instagram where Jeff Bezos was

873
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: talking about like two thousand during the dot com crash.

874
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: He's like, I could tell our business was taken off,

875
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: our revenue was going up. It was like, we are

876
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: going to be something big. He's like, our stock plum

877
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: price plummeted, It hit all time lows, and I was

878
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: never more confident in the business. But the value of

879
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 2: the company, when your public company was based on the

880
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: stock price, wasn't very good and it was brought down by,

881
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: you know, the the environment. And I think DeVante Adams.

882
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: You could argue, if you put him in the right situation,

883
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: he'd be a first team All Pro this year, assuming

884
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: he could stay healthy. First team All Pro right now.

885
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: But you put him on the Raiders and it's ugly.

886
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: Can you get a first round pickback for him? I

887
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: don't know, which is crazy to say, because I still

888
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: think he's a first round pick value. But when your

889
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: play diminishes because of the circumstances, it just drives you down.

890
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: So I don't know how it's gonna go. I really don't.

891
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I have a pretty good idea the Raiders

892
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: aren't any good because I just think that quarterback room

893
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: and Raider fans not you, Jake, but you know, the

894
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: fan base sometimes gets so mad. It's like, guys, take

895
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: a step back. Your quarterback room is Gardner Minshew and

896
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: Aidan O'Connell. You had a couple very serviceable years where

897
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: you made the playoffs with Derek Carr, who played at

898
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl level that year. That's not gonna happen

899
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: this year. So how are you gonna function in that situation?

900
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: The answer is you're not. It's gonna be tough. This

901
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: is a long one for the back. This is a

902
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: bit long. Even said it as a Bears fan. I,

903
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: like most of us, still in awe of the fleecing

904
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: of the Panthers getting Caleb, But I fear that there's

905
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: a systematic incompetence within the organization developing quarterbacks. Caleb can

906
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: manage the pocket well, but we haven't seen many throws

907
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: where he's gotten multiple reads in the pocket. I would

908
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: agree if you examine the last few guys, I think

909
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 2: justin regressed over time. I just I think he's got

910
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: some clear flaws. Under Naggie, he had his best all

911
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: round games see the Niners and the Steelers. But once

912
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: Getzy and Eberflu showed up, they changed his footwork and

913
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: he got gunshy, which is not what we saw at all.

914
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 2: Year one, Trubisky, you clearly went close to an NFL starter,

915
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: at least we all agree. You know, there are some

916
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: polarizing players and there's just ones like this, ain't it?

917
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: And he's one of those. I know. Fangio led the

918
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: defense in eighteen historic run. We seem to be headed

919
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: in the right direction with plenty of money draft capital,

920
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: and I don't know, good players, something Fields had almost

921
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 2: none of. But I fear with the deep defensive head coach,

922
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 2: he may never fully develop and reach his potential. Also,

923
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: I'm in full agreement with you on waking up and

924
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: having no interest in talking to a soul. Got a

925
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: good laugh out of that tangent. What's funny is Maria

926
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: had a bunch of stuff to do this morning, hit

927
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: the gym. I was kind of tired this morning. My

928
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 2: alarm went off at six am. Snooze that bad boy

929
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: for about an hour, so she fired out to the

930
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 2: gym pretty early. So, you know, I'll take the dog

931
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: for a walk probably, you know, six forty five seven

932
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: am and just just a little groggy and didn't see

933
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: a soul on the walk. I was like, oh, this

934
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: is so great to have my headphones in. And then

935
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: all of a sudden we're at this little grass area

936
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: and another little dog comes up to me, Brody. I'm like,

937
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: oh my god. I turn around the owners there, and

938
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: I sometimes I wonder do people because Maria so kind

939
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: knows all these people's names, and I was like, I

940
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: just I'm just not in the mood. And I'm not

941
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: trying to be a dick, like you don't want to

942
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: talk to me either, I'm not. We don't have anything

943
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: to talk about. We haven't had our coffee yet, I

944
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: haven't got my sweat in. Let's just let's just go

945
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: our separate ways. And the hard part about that situation

946
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: with the dog is obviously the dogs start talking with

947
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: the other dogs, and then you can't really get her

948
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: to go, and you're kind of stuck in no man's

949
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: land and you're forced to take your air pods out

950
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: and have the most meaningless conversations humanly possible. Sometimes you

951
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: have good ones, but if you're not in the mood,

952
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: and then you got you're like God, is that person

953
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: think I'm just the worst human alive? I would. I

954
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 2: think the way you should look at this season overall

955
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: is to be very, very excited and have a good time.

956
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: I do think when you look at the Bears Hard

957
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 2: Knocks Eberflus, I like his look. If you've got hair,

958
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: I have no problem with you rock in a cool look,

959
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: regardless of how old you are. I'm in no position

960
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: as a bald guy to judge anyone's hair flow. Everyone

961
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: was talking about Mark Sanchez's flow the other night on television.

962
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: If you got a rocket, if you can do a

963
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 2: cool beard, do what you do. I never understand people

964
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: ripping other people's facial hair hair when they want to

965
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: mix it up a little bit. I do think when

966
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: you watch Eberflu's coach in Hard Knocks, you go like,

967
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 2: what's his thing? Right when we've seen Hard Knocks with coaches,

968
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: or you knew exactly what Dan Campbell's thing is, or

969
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 2: Billy O'Brien or even Robert Salah. You watch Ebra Flutes

970
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: like kind of players coach, kind of good guy, like

971
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: he's a defensive guy, but he's he's always with Kleb.

972
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: He's kind of lost in he's kind of in no

973
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: man's land. If you go, John, what does Eberflus hang

974
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: his hat on? I'd go, seems like a nice guy.

975
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: That's what I would say. Right, you just go around

976
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: to like other good coach. You just go in his

977
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 2: own division. Dan Campbell, you'd be like leader of men.

978
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: Guy would lead the troops right into battle, win or lose.

979
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: They're going down swinging lafloor offense. That dude can coach offense.

980
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell same thing, quarterback offense, quarterback. And then you're

981
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: watching eber Flus, You're like the look at family, you know,

982
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 2: nice guy, got a cool look going I don't know,

983
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: I mean, and usually just comes out right even Sola

984
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: kind of tough guy, football guy, drop some that f ForWords,

985
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: screams of people. I don't know' That's my question with

986
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: the Bears. I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy

987
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 2: on this one. I just I really don't know watching

988
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: this whenever I and I've spent a lot of time

989
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: around two coaches, Pat Hill and Andy Reid, and their

990
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: defined characteristics are very obvious, very fast. Pat Hill was

991
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: a lot like a Dan Campbell. He was just you

992
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: just felt him, you know, just an old school tough

993
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: sob and Andy comes off a lot like he does

994
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: on television, like just easygoing, intense when football and you

995
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: gotta know your shit, but like he's in there scheming

996
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: Ibra Fleus. I don't know clearly was Nick Saban likes him?

997
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: Is that something this from Bradley? What is the scouting

998
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: process like for teams around this time of year regarding

999
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: players for other teams that are fringe players to make

1000
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: the roster. For example, a guy who wasn't on your

1001
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: radar during the draft pops off the screen in some

1002
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: of these preseason games, but you also have a good

1003
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: sense that he won't make that because of the positional depth.

1004
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: How do teams weigh not being a prisoner of the

1005
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: moment but also jumping on the opportunity to find a

1006
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: diamond in the rough since they are relatively low risk

1007
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: in that they'd be claimed off waivers. What due diligence

1008
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: is or isn't done just to get a guy in

1009
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: your building? Make a full assessment on better be safe

1010
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: than sorry. Would love to hear your thoughts. Well, if

1011
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: you didn't like a guy in the draft because of

1012
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: character stuff, right, like his right up as a human

1013
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: you didn't want in your building, but you liked the player.

1014
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 2: I don't think much would change. So, you know, let's

1015
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: say he plays, let's pick a number fifty snaps in

1016
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: the preseason. You're like, Holy Mully, this dude's made seventeen tackles.

1017
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: He can cover the tight end. He looks even better

1018
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: than I thought he was. But we thought he was

1019
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: a turd coming out. We didn't want him in the

1020
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 2: locker room, and we weren't going to draft him. I

1021
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: don't think you changed there. If the character was cool

1022
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, we didn't love the player, and

1023
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: then you're watching him play and you go, I think

1024
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: this guy's a backup guard right now, but he plays

1025
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: on Team X and he's not going to make the

1026
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: team in our guards are not good. We liked the

1027
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: guy coming out, maybe we were a little off on

1028
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: him as a player. Again, you got to put it

1029
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: in context, right, are you just dominating in the fourth quarter?

1030
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: Like there are a couple there's some reps here in

1031
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: the first and second preseason game or the second and

1032
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: third preseason game where he's going up against some guys

1033
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: that play on Sundays and he's stuffing them or vice versa,

1034
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: Like we don't have very good defensive tackles in this

1035
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: defensive tackle. We were kind of low on this fifth

1036
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 2: round pick. I don't know if they got a spot

1037
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: for him on the roster that they might have to

1038
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: cut him. Pretty good pass rusher. Now. The problem is

1039
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: is when guys have a lot of six cs in

1040
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: the preseason, and it doesn't have to mean snaps, it

1041
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: just means this guy's clearly good. Like you can see

1042
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: his tangible characteristics, whether it's a corner. Maybe he doesn't

1043
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: get targeted, but you can see a speed and you're like, guy,

1044
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: he's pretty natural out there or safety as a tackler.

1045
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: Everyone sees that tape. So it's all based like if

1046
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: this guy gets cut, he's going to get claimed and

1047
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: then the claim the waiver order is based on the draft,

1048
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: so the Panthers, actually it doesn't, it's not still based

1049
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: on the trade. The Panthers have the number one pick.

1050
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: So the teams at the top, when you think about it,

1051
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: the Panthers, the Commanders, the Patriots, their rosters are really bad.

1052
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: So some of the top guys in there, they could

1053
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: claim four or five guys and if you're the Chiefs,

1054
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: if you're the Bills, if you're the Ravens, if you're

1055
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: the Niners, the Rams, the Eagles, you're not picking till

1056
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 2: the twenties or the thirties, right, So you can put

1057
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: a claim in on the right guard, the fifth round

1058
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 2: pick from I'm just making up a team here, the

1059
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings. They're gonna cut him. But if other teams

1060
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: claim him as well above you in the waiver order,

1061
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: you don't get him. It's relatively easy to claim players

1062
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 2: in the regular season, depending on the situation. It's much

1063
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: easier to claim guys in the regular season than it

1064
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: is during this cutdown. If the guys in no doubt

1065
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: about it, jump off the screen. There's certain positions to

1066
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: tackle corner wide receiver. If I need a wide receiver,

1067
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: because think about some of the teams, like the Chargers

1068
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: wide receivers. There's a sweet wide receiver that could cut.

1069
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: They might claim one. The Patriots they could claim one.

1070
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: The Panthers definitely could claim one. It's usually like, you know,

1071
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 2: I need a tackle, Like the forty nine ers are like,

1072
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: we need some tackles. Well, you're definitely not claiming the

1073
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: best tackle that gets cut because that guy is lock

1074
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: to get picked up on waivers in the top ten.

1075
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 2: Usually that's where it gets difficult. So you're playing a

1076
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: game of keeping your fingers crossed. But when you're a

1077
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 2: good team, it's just so far out of your control.

1078
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: And for the most part, you know, the Chiefs or

1079
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: any team that made the playoffs like the Lions, you

1080
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: really only have room for one guy. In that situation,

1081
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: you might only claim one or two guys. I remember

1082
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: when the Chiefs and John Dorsey and Andy took over.

1083
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they claimed like seven guys that first

1084
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: year because they had the number one pick in the

1085
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: draft of the year they took Eric Fisher. So I just

1086
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: don't think the diamonds exist with film. It's so easy

1087
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: now with technology to watch every guy. Your scouting department

1088
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: is locked in. I remember the only couple times I

1089
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: ever slept in the office was during the cutdowns leading

1090
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: up to it. You're just you have so many players

1091
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: to watch now. It's actually it's harder and easier at

1092
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: the same time because the rosters are bigger. When I

1093
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: was in the league, it was only eighty guys. Now

1094
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: it's ninety guys and There used to be two cuts.

1095
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: There used to be I think eighty to maybe it

1096
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: was always been ninety. Maybe it was ninety to seventy five,

1097
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: then seventy five to fifty three. Now there's just the

1098
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: one big cutdown. So there's just a lot of names.

1099
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: This is a very, very busy time for the scouting

1100
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: department this week because you're trying to watch every player

1101
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: who you know had draftable grades or got paid. But

1102
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: then you also got to keep an eye on other

1103
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: random guys, right, like this was an undrafted free agent

1104
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: that they basically got for free, or a guy that

1105
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,479
Speaker 2: they let come to a rookie tryout camp he makes

1106
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: the team, or excuse me, he gets he gets a

1107
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 2: spot to go to training camp. Then all of a

1108
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: sudden he's kind of good, and they're like, shit, we

1109
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: might bring this guy in the practice squad, but maybe

1110
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: you want the guy in the practice squad. That's the

1111
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: other thing. You let a guy go through waivers, you

1112
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: can you can sign a guy with a practice squad,

1113
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: it's on another team. He usually has to choose, right,

1114
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: does he want to stay with the coaches that he

1115
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: already knows, or does he want to go to another

1116
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: team you're as a team, you can offer that guy

1117
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 2: more money. So there's a lot of moving parts right now.

1118
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: The overall number one key I would say is to

1119
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: get your roster right. All that stuff doesn't matter unless

1120
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: you get your roster right. You got to know the

1121
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 2: guys that are worth keeping the guys that are not

1122
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: worth keeping, because the moment you cut a guy, he

1123
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: could be gone. He can get claimed. So if you

1124
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: cut a guy that you're like, we really like this guy,

1125
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 2: but we're gonna risk it, that risk better be worth

1126
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: it because you might never see him again. And that's

1127
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: where I think all these conversations are happening right now.

1128
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 2: The amount of time that the head coach and the

1129
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: GM over the last ten days and that will spend

1130
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: over the next I forget the cutdown date. Maybe it's

1131
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: Monday or Tuesday. Are just looking at their whiteboard with

1132
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: the magnets, or maybe they have video versions now and

1133
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: just talking about the fifty three man roster. The fifty

1134
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: three man roster, I would say the overwhelming majority of teams,

1135
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 2: good and bad, have a pretty good feel. I mean,

1136
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 2: the good teams probably know close to fifty of like

1137
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: the locks. Maybe there's a couple. They're still debating. The

1138
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: bad teams are probably I would say low to mid forties,

1139
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 2: and they're having a lot of discussions, and partly because

1140
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 2: they're cool with claiming people too. So it's like, even

1141
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: if we only feel good about forty six of our guys,

1142
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: well we might put in if I'm the Panthers, ten

1143
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: claims right, six claims. Well, if you do that your

1144
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: original fifty three, you have to cut six guys of

1145
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: the guys you were awarded on the waiver wire, so

1146
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: that official fifty three. You're really not feeling good if

1147
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: you're the last guy on that roster for like two

1148
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: or three more days, because if your team claims the guy,

1149
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: you're the first to get cut and then you go

1150
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 2: to the waiver wire and then you could get claimed

1151
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: the following day or make it through and then go

1152
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: back to the practice squad. I'm telling you I don't

1153
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: have PTSD, but it was. It was one of the

1154
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 2: most intense times of the years because of just the

1155
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 2: amount of players, the amount of moving parts, getting grades

1156
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: on every guy, making sure you know your GM, hey

1157
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,439
Speaker 2: I really like this guy, or tell your director, hey,

1158
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: we should look at we need some more eyes on

1159
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 2: this guy, and it's also based on your own team,

1160
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: like you're not if you already know your quarterback room

1161
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 2: and feel pretty good, you're not wasting too much time

1162
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: on the quarterbacks you're specifically looking at, like the Chiefs,

1163
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: the Ravens, whoever, the good teams, whatever position they have

1164
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: a question mark on in their team, and you know

1165
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 2: the backups they're evaluating that position very very closely during

1166
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: this time of year. So it's also a fun time'me

1167
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 2: a year right, because that guy might make the difference.

1168
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 2: You claim that guy he's a backup. Who knows, maybe

1169
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: your starter gets hurt Week three and that guy starts

1170
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: fourteen games for the season and it is good. Hell

1171
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: might be an upgrade. I often get the question a

1172
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: hardcore Ravens fan, though I agree with the Lamar take

1173
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 2: you have, Sadly, I often get the question will the

1174
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: Ravens ever get over the hump in the playoffs? And

1175
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: I always give the answer yes because the roster I

1176
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: feel they get better every year. I would love the

1177
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 2: thoughts on the Ravens roster and how they will do

1178
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: this season. Also, if you have time, I get the question,

1179
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 2: is the two thousand Ravens or the eighty five Bears better.

1180
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: I don't have the Ravens roster in front of me,

1181
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: though I feel pretty good about it. You let Patrick

1182
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 2: Queen go. I mean, last year having Roquan in him

1183
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 2: was pretty dynamic. One thing the Ravens do a really

1184
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: good job of and they have for a long time.

1185
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: And I don't pretend to know your roster like the

1186
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 2: back my hand, but you guys are really really good

1187
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 2: at letting guys hit free agency. I mean, you've always

1188
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 2: kept your core guys right. Like you feel pretty good

1189
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 2: about a player, you give him a contract sence, you

1190
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: let him hit free agency and usually let him walk,

1191
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: and you have a guy developing under him, and then

1192
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: the guy that we don't know about all of a

1193
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: sudden becomes a stud, kind of like the big defensive

1194
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 2: tackle that you gave a bunch of money to last year,

1195
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, Like I don't know, if

1196
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: everyone was talking about him, I would say offensively, you

1197
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: got to feel pretty good about your coordinator. Your quarterback,

1198
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: Zay Flowers can take a huge step. I think the

1199
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: curve ball this year is Derrick Henry. Is it gonna work?

1200
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, feels a little bit like a weird

1201
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 2: fit because he is I don't know. I mean him

1202
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 2: and Lamar when I closed my eyes and I said

1203
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: this when I had the guy from the Fantasy pros

1204
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: Patrick on about it's hard to kind of vision like

1205
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 2: they've kind of had. It feels like a little more

1206
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: smaller scatbacks than this big lumbering you know, seven yards

1207
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 2: behind handed on zone runs. Not saying that they can't

1208
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 2: do that, but like you watch Derrick Henry some games,

1209
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he could have fifteen carries for

1210
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 2: twenty three yards and then boom he hits it. Like,

1211
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 2: is that how the Ravens are gonna play with him?

1212
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. Defensively, I think your defensive personnel is

1213
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: always really good. I mean, Kyle Hamilton one of the

1214
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: better young players in the league. Rokwan is a superstar.

1215
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 2: But I do think losing Mike McDonald's a pretty big deal.

1216
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 2: I would say one question, he was the best defensive

1217
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: coordinator in the league. Obviously, you guys have good players,

1218
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 2: but he was elite. I mean, he's I've watched some

1219
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 2: of his press conference like he's he pretty sharp cat man.

1220
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 2: That would be my question. Mark would be losing him

1221
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 2: as a defensive coordinator. Schematically, do you guys take a

1222
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 2: step back? I would say that I was born in

1223
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four. I would say in my lifetime the

1224
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 2: best defenses I've ever seen would be Seattle, would be

1225
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: the Bucks with Lynch, Barber, Sap, Derek Brooks, and I

1226
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 2: would say, you guys are the best defense I've ever seen. Now,

1227
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: you guys were tailor made for that version of football,

1228
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: right things changed. You were way bigger than Seattle, for example,

1229
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 2: But Seattle was just so ready for the quarterback driven

1230
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 2: passing it around. You guys were built with Sam Adams,

1231
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 2: Sarah Gusa were just fucking huge. It's like you ain't

1232
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: running on us, and you couldn't. So you know, Seattle

1233
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: was much more like I dare you to get in

1234
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: third and eight. You got no chance. All guys on

1235
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: our front can rush. Our linebackers are incredible cover guys,

1236
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: and we got dbs for days. So I would say

1237
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 2: the best modern day defense was Seattle. The best defense

1238
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 2: like two thousand Ravens could have played in the seventies, eighties,

1239
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: and nineties. The Bucks defense was kind of a hybrid.

1240
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 2: It could play in both I think they would have

1241
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 2: been pretty good in the modern day football too. Like

1242
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: the problem for you guys two thousand if you were

1243
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 2: playing teams now, like what would Sarahgusa and Adams? When

1244
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: would they? What if I just spread it out, they

1245
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't have a huge role. Okay, last question, I never

1246
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 2: understood why spreads are more popular than prop bets when

1247
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: spreads have many more variables. In the last Super Bowl,

1248
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: many Niner fans could predict a bet on Juwan Jettings

1249
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: hitting since Kyle loves them in big spots and the

1250
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 2: Chiefs have two stud corners to take out Ayuk and Debo.

1251
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 2: But fluky plays like the muff punt or missed extra

1252
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: point affected the spread. You also have so many position

1253
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 2: groups to look at with spreads. I think you're looking

1254
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 2: at this incorrectly because I played some. I played some

1255
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 2: prop bets in the playoffs. But if you have a

1256
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 2: prop bet on Lamar Jackson rushing yards I did in

1257
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship game, I think I got one thousand

1258
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 2: dollars on it because I went well. Josh Allen just

1259
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: ran for eighty five yards against the Chiefs in the

1260
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 2: second round. Lamar's over under to get plus money was

1261
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: like sixty five yards and like he could have ninety

1262
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: five yards easily. Well, if he doesn't run it or

1263
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: he gets injured, your BET's done. I had debo a

1264
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 2: prop bet one game last season against the Browns, Like

1265
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 2: second play of the game he hurts his shoulder and

1266
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 2: is out for the game. Where if you're betting on

1267
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Speaker 2: the spread that team, unless the game gets canceled, you're

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01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: always alive. Obviously some games you worked, but like the

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Speaker 2: whole game is kind of interesting. Prop bet an individual guy,

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Speaker 2: he gets injured, that thing is done. The majority, Like

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Speaker 2: I think eighty five percent of NFL games are one

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Speaker 2: score on this going into the fourth quarter, So you're

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Speaker 2: in the game because you have the team. I think

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Speaker 2: it is way easier to bet safer to bet spreads.

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Speaker 2: Now it's hard, right, I mean, it's if you hit

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Speaker 2: fifty five percent of your bets as a sports gambler,

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Speaker 2: you're a star. So it's not easy. But my experience

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Speaker 2: with prop betting is it's just hard. I think I

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Speaker 2: can't tell you how many times I've done over under

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Speaker 2: steph Curry points and missed every time. I think betting

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01:13:54,120 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: the team is way easier, takes less thought. Also, you

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Speaker 2: act like it's more variables, Ultimately it's less because like, hey,

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Speaker 2: let's talk Eagles Packers. Okay, I haven't even looked at

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Speaker 2: the spread of that game, but let's just assume it's

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Speaker 2: I could be wrong on this complete guess Packers plus two,

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Speaker 2: So I just take the Packers plus two. Well, I

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01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: can take Jordan love Over under passing yards to two

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards. What if they're just running the

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Speaker 2: shit out of the ball and they still win by

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Speaker 2: seven points and Josh Jacobs goes for a buck fifty

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Speaker 2: and Jordan only throws, doesn't even get close, throws for

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Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety yards, but throws two touchdowns and

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01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: as good you don't even get close to hitting the prop,

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01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 2: but the team wins. I like betting the spread way

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01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 2: more than props. Maybe I'm scarred. Maybe it's my individual

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Speaker 2: experience that I feel like I've I feel like I've

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Speaker 2: lost ninety five percent of the prop bets bet and

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Speaker 2: I felt very good about them going in. Good question though,

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Speaker 2: mm hm