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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson. And well it is a lovely Friday

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Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, soun's out ball me right right right,

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Speaker 1: that's clear, sons out.

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Speaker 3: You can't complain.

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Speaker 1: I want to wear shorts today. I thought about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I knew you would, uh, But anyways, it's a conference

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Speaker 1: championship weekend. Yeah, lost of going on going on around

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Speaker 1: the league, hirings, firings, yeah yeah, all that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to dig in today, Matt with I

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Speaker 1: did my third position review, No, okay, I can drop

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Speaker 1: up today on Steelers dot Com. That was looking at

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Speaker 1: the team's wide receivers, gotcha, okay. And this was an

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Speaker 1: interesting one because if you look at it going into you,

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Speaker 1: at this time last year, the Steelers had under contract

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Speaker 1: George Pickens, Calvin Austin, Deontay Johnson, Okay, free agency at

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Speaker 1: this time season, that's what they had under contract. And

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Speaker 1: when they came out of all this stuff, they obviously

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Speaker 1: traded Deontay Johnson to get to get Dante Jackson swaped

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Speaker 1: some draft picks there. Yeah, so you had the two holdovers,

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Speaker 1: George Pickens and Calvin Austin, and then the off you know,

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Speaker 1: over the course of the year they added Van Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: Mike Williams, Benscronic, Scottie Miller, Roman Wilson, and really when

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Speaker 1: you look at the position, the only two guys who

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Speaker 1: kind of fulfilled their expectations. Yeah, George Pickens and Calvin Austin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the guys drafted that you like, you scouted all

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Speaker 3: along and all that. Yeah, and doesn't mean Wilson won't

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Speaker 3: that Ronic was a nice addition.

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Speaker 1: It was a year ago. At this time, Roman Wilson

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Speaker 1: was at the Senior Bowl. Mike Tomlin was challenging him

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Speaker 1: to go up against Mitchell for the against Uinya Mitchell, Like,

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Speaker 1: you guys are the two best guys on this route,

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Speaker 1: guarantee part of what Mike Tomlin at his exit meeting

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Speaker 1: with Roman Wilson this year was challenging him, Hey, your

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Speaker 1: rookie season pale was not what we expected probably wasn't

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Speaker 3: I'm heading down the Senior Bowl and I remember last year,

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Speaker 1: And we need you to be that guy because he

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Speaker 3: Oh, he had a really good Senior Bowl and he

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Speaker 3: was come off a national title. I mean, the Michigan

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Speaker 3: But I think, you know, he's not the biggest guy

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Speaker 3: and a good receiver. Draft too, I mean, that didn't

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Speaker 3: So that story's definitely not written. And I don't think

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Speaker 3: by any means or you were implying this he's a bust.

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Speaker 3: He was let down.

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Speaker 1: There are people out there to say stuff like that

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Speaker 3: As a wasted pick. They just threw that one away.

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Speaker 3: You know, we talked about it all year. So he's

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Speaker 3: You know, a full training camp and all that stuff too, right.

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Speaker 1: And even the other guys who got hurt at least

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so he's the guy that didn't, right,

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Speaker 3: Are bringing in like basically another rookie court receiver. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean he didn't even get to play in

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Speaker 3: I would consider offering him a league minimum type deal

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's he does the gritty work.

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Speaker 3: he's a good one, yeah, and I can live with them.

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Speaker 1: But he made some plays last year. Yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: Getta add You know, you can't count on those deals

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Speaker 1: Like they made that happens in free agency, there's always guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: Some of it's bad luck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know you like yesterday you said when

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Speaker 3: Oh isn't he?

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Speaker 1: Okay, they would have to cut him.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, So the free agent receiver crop isn't as

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Speaker 1: It usually is. It's not great, No, it's not great.

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Speaker 3: It's top heavy. And there are dudes like Adams. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that'll get cut. Yeah, I think there's guys you can

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Speaker 3: trade for cop Metcalf you want to, right, riek, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and then there's some dudes that a year

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Speaker 3: they're hitting free agency, like a Digs or an Amari Cooper.

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Speaker 1: You know, like, I don't know what those are your answers, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're you're kind of rolling the dice there on some

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Speaker 1: guys who, quite frankly, are probably Mike Williams.

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, exactly, they'll probably sign a one year deal,

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Speaker 1: The Jets took a flyer last year, ten million dollar

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Speaker 1: flyer on Mike Williams that he would be he would

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Speaker 1: be fine coming back off the knee injury, and took

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Speaker 3: Some time. Yeah, and then when Adams showed up, he

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Speaker 1: There, right, Rogers wants to throw to his guys. So

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Speaker 1: you got obviously T Higgins, right, Chris Godwin, who's both of.

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Speaker 3: Them will be wonderful, but you're gonna be fighting a

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Speaker 3: lot of teams for him.

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Speaker 1: Godwin's coming off a pretty serious injury as well.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: You know, great year inside, outside, versatile, but that wasn't

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Speaker 1: just an injury. It wasn't just a broken ankle. It

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Speaker 3: That's yeah, more than just more than just chack a

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Speaker 3: cast on in six weeks, you're fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a Marii Cooper who's now thirty.

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Speaker 3: He's bouncing around like crazy, and I'll be playing for

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Speaker 3: the Bills at this point.

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Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs. So you mentioned DeAndre Hopkins. I mean right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, let's get break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolli. He

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Speaker 1: is the Matt Williamson and Matt. There's a chance, a

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Speaker 3: That would be the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, and they got

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Speaker 1: So there are still twelve franchises, Yeah, who have never

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Speaker 1: The Bills have been there, the Chargers have been there,

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Speaker 1: Seattle Mariners, who were.

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Speaker 3: I think they were like around than the Seahawks came around, right.

438
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 1: Well, they've been they've been around even longer than that.

439
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 3: Are they?

440
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh in the Tampa Bay Rays and that are

441
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,919
Speaker 1: expansion the news. Yeah, I guess that doesn't surprise me.

442
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: But still it's not a third of the league. It's

443
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 1: not a third. Yeah, And you know, hockey's.

444
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 3: I don't know all the histories of something.

445
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 1: Don't consider hockey quite on the level as those three sports.

446
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 1: I know some people do, but it's it's it's a

447
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 1: niche sport, it really is. That have not won the

448
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup. You're looking at ten Vancouver, Buffalo, Ottawa, San Jose, Nashville, Columbus, Minnesota, Seattle.

449
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,479
Speaker 1: A lot of new teams, a lot of new teams.

450
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Speaker 3: I mean those first two were been around my whole

451
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 3: life when I was a kid and knew what I

452
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 3: was talking about.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that adds up. But the Browns have

454
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 1: been around forever. Lion and pre Super Bowl, the Browns

455
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: were the premier franchise in the fifties, the Browns were

456
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: the top franchise in the league.

457
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Speaker 3: Lions had a stretch pre Super Bowl. You know, there's

458
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Speaker 3: some of the teams that haven't made it. Its me,

459
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 3: it's only three of the teams that three to twelve

460
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 3: are not we're not there during the Super Bowl or

461
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,080
Speaker 3: you know in nineteen seventy. Yeah, and they're not that

462
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 3: they're not. You know, this is Panthers at least went,

463
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 3: Jags have never been Texans have never.

464
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Speaker 1: The Browns have never been there. Yeah, the Jags have

465
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 1: never been there. The Lions have never been there. The

466
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 1: Texans haven't been there. And that's it. Everyone else has gone.

467
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Speaker 1: Everybody else is at least gone Super Bowl.

468
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Speaker 3: Any of them multiple times?

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Speaker 1: Well, Buffalo is Buffalo, Minnesota, Minnesota's gone, Cincinnati has gone

470
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Speaker 1: to multiple.

471
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've all gone to more than two too.

472
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Speaker 1: I mean, like, so there's that hope. Just is it

473
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Speaker 1: better to have gone there and not one, yeah, than

474
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Speaker 1: to have never gotten there.

475
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Speaker 3: Most athletes that I think, but I don't think the

476
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: same way they do. The hardest loss of the year

477
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Speaker 3: is losing this weekend. At least you get the Super

478
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 3: Bowl hype, you get the two weeks. I don't know

479
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 3: about other sports, but just coaches and players I've been around.

480
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Speaker 3: When you lose the championship round and don't get the

481
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Speaker 3: opportunity to go to the final game is the hardest one.

482
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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's the impression I've gotten.

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Speaker 1: I bring us up Josh Allen. I believe he's played

484
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Speaker 1: thirteen postseason games. I would buy that it's the most

485
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Speaker 1: by anybody in NFL history, most quarterback in NFL history,

486
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: without reaching without even getting to the without getting to

487
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: that game, okay, without getting to.

488
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Speaker 3: The Tarkington and Kelly and those.

489
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Speaker 1: Guys, they got there.

490
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Speaker 3: They got there, right. The guys are went multiple times. Huh.

491
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Speaker 3: I don't think, like, I'm sure Lamar is not gonna

492
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Speaker 3: be that far off either.

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Speaker 1: He's he's played like eight Yeah, yeah, I mean he's

494
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: got a while ago yet.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know. Other than the Bills this year,

496
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Speaker 3: is anybody knocking on the door? Lions, I guess still

497
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Speaker 3: like you project any of the ones. So the twelve

498
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Speaker 3: that have a chance next year if they don't go

499
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Speaker 3: this year, I'm Buffalo Lions. Maybe the Bengals. I mean

500
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 3: I'm stretching, but they had a long way to go. Yeah,

501
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: I mean these teams aren't like great right now either.

502
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, so that's kind kind of the point

503
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Speaker 1: of the conversation is it's it's it's not as easy

504
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: to get there. And when I think, as some people

505
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: seem to think. And I understand, the Steelers have won

506
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: six of them, oh I know, you know, and they've

507
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: been to more than that obviously, But you hear a

508
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: lot of fans, well, we did, you know, we deserve

509
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: a super Bowl?

510
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: You don't deserve anything.

511
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Speaker 1: And it's not like the team isn't trying to get

512
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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. Sure all these other teams. You

513
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: tell me the Bills aren't trying to win the Super Bowl?

514
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: I say, would you rather be a Bills fan or

515
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Speaker 1: a Browns fan?

516
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Speaker 3: Bills?

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Speaker 1: I mean they've at least gotten there, right, I mean

518
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Speaker 1: in four years in a row. I mean, no one's

519
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: had more heartbreak than the Bills. I mean, you lost

520
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: that thirteen second game. You go to four in a

521
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: row and you get none. I mean that's really rough.

522
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: And they've been knocking on the door a long time.

523
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Speaker 3: Do they deserve one? Nobody deserves anything, you know, I mean,

524
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Speaker 3: you're not like come out of the worm. Deserved to

525
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: you know that it goes to Super Bowl.

526
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Speaker 1: It is it is season ending press conference. Mike Tomlin

527
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: spelled that out well when he talked about what his

528
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: team deserved. We deserve what we got. Deserve what we got, right,

529
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: because we need and we didn't play well enough to

530
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Speaker 1: win that game. We deserved what we got.

531
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Speaker 3: Don't fumble, don't miss a kick, don't you know, throw

532
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Speaker 3: an interception, don't get blocked, don't miss a tackle. You know.

533
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: Beat the Chiefs. Yeah, I mean all these a lot

534
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Speaker 3: of these teams. If the Bills don't go well, beat

535
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Speaker 3: the Chiefs.

536
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: The Bills just a few years ago were up. They

537
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Speaker 1: scored to go ahead touchdown with thirteen seconds left. Yeah,

538
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: and gave up a touchdown.

539
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Speaker 3: I mean it's much a heartbreaker as much of a heartbreaker, right,

540
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: I mean.

541
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Speaker 1: Forget about the drive.

542
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah right, right, that's just like we got this thing

543
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 3: locked up. You don't know, you don't, right, So are

544
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: you rooting? Do you care? I was rooting against the Chiefs.

545
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 3: I personally don't care, but I'm not I would mind

546
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 3: Bill's Mafia to get one. I don't.

547
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me one way, or the other who

548
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: wins it. At this point, you know, it's okay. Somebody's

549
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: going to change the history of their their franchise one

550
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: way or the other.

551
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

552
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: Do I want to see Kansas City win three in

553
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: a row? That hasn't been done.

554
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of them in the super Bowl

555
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: and it's done.

556
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people are just sick of them.

557
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 3: They are. I know, it's funny. I was listening to

558
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: a podcast on the way here, and they're not even

559
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: an unlikable team. It's just you see so much of them,

560
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 3: like Andy Reid's doing fumble ruski chef stuff. I mean,

561
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: he's the fun guy. I'd love to have a burger

562
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: and a beer with him right now. And I know

563
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: Mahomes dogs it here or you know, embellishes things. But

564
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: he's easy to root for. He's a fun player. Kelsey's

565
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: he got some habits that I hate, and people seem

566
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: to hate him all of a sudden. I think it's

567
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: more just because he's so good. Jealousy will get you nowhere.

568
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Speaker 1: Some of the things that I don't like are the

569
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, embellishing, which he admitted this oh yeah week

570
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: that you know, I yeah, I probably shouldn't have done that.

571
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: Lamar and Allen get away with a lot too. They do.

572
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: No one seems drives me nuts about like if the

573
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: other team gets a penalty and he starts with the fingers.

574
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, come on, man, you get enough calls and

575
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: we don't need to do that.

576
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Speaker 3: I just don't think they're an unlikable team, like Patriots

577
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: are pretty unlikable. Whenever. You know, Belichick wasn't on ads

578
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: doing bundle Uski.

579
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: No, he was not having So we used to do

580
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Speaker 1: conference calls with the visiting coaches back in the day.

581
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: They would they would have the you know, a little

582
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: speakerphone there and you could.

583
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Speaker 3: That doesn't happen anymore, no, I guess it doesn't.

584
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeh. No, you could ask the you could ask the

585
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: opposing coach questions if from from the media, and I

586
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: can always didn't like it. I can always just remember

587
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: Belichick when you'd get him on a conference call and

588
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: you'd start asking questions and you'd hear papers rustling in

589
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: the background, like he had no desire at all to

590
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: be doing this. He He's like paying the bills or

591
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: whatever taxes or something, scouting reports from the from you know,

592
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: the practices that they illegally taped and things that yeah,

593
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: I just wanted nothing to do with. Yeah, and that

594
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: was that goes back all the way back to his

595
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: Cleveland days, like it was not fun.

596
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: But he's more fun in the media.

597
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's actually you actually see some personality now. So

598
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: some of the you know, some of the guys, when

599
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: you would get them on those conference calls, would would

600
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: be great and I would always make it a point.

601
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: And they're like kind and courteous. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

602
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: You could also then go look at the conference call

603
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: from your head coach that he had with the visiting media,

604
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: and sometimes you would learn more there than you did.

605
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: From I'm sure he treated the visiting media differently at

606
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: differently Monday press conference or whatever Tuesday press conference.

607
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: Right, you might actually find some things out that he

608
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't answer, or you'd find you know, maybe somebody in

609
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: a in another market had a question about something in

610
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: his background and you know, because he played there or

611
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: knew this code whatever, so you learned bies or knows right.

612
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I understand that the you know,

613
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: they're not likability of the of the Patriots, Tom Brady

614
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: is not a super likable.

615
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 3: Dude, especially when it's business business business, and you know,

616
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: I mean they were a pretty buttoned up organization. Yeah, yeah,

617
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 3: but the Chiefs aren't. I mean, the Chiefs are. They're

618
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: just sick of I think people are just sick of

619
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: them to a degree.

620
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: He always wants something new, Yeah, you know, but yeah,

621
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Speaker 1: I just think it's going to be interesting this weekend,

622
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: if you know, if the Bills can win. There's never

623
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: been a situation where two quarterbacks have played each other

624
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: in the playoffs four times, and it's been four and oh,

625
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: and it's been four and oh. Right now it's three

626
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: and oh in favor of the homes and they're they're

627
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: four and four against each other period period.

628
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: He wins in the regular season doesn't win the postseason. Yeah,

629
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: it's almost always in Kansas City. I think it's one

630
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: of was in Buffalo, right that I should know that

631
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: I doubt.

632
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

633
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: I wonder when Manning's first four playoff games against Brady.

634
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: He must have won one of them because they played

635
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: five times.

636
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: They played five.

637
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the most, okay, And because I just know,

638
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: like in this when Manning was like Lamar Allen's age,

639
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: he can't win the Big One. That was the Yeah,

640
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: he can't win. Oh he's good guy, he can't win

641
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: the big one.

642
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: Can't win the Big One. I didn't beat the Patriots,

643
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: but yeah, and.

644
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 1: A lot of other people, right right, Yeah, I mean

645
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: that's just the kind of the way it goes when

646
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: you you know, you've got this these kind of dynastic

647
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: things going on. Oh yeah, you know in the AFC,

648
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: basically every year since twenty what twenty eleven, twenty twelve,

649
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: somewhere in there.

650
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: It's been a monopoly.

651
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: It's been the Patriots has been the chiefs. One of

652
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: those two teams has been in the AFC Championship every

653
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: single year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you can't tell me again, I don't know

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Speaker 3: basketball as well that Patrick Ewing wasn't capable of winning

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Speaker 3: a title, or you know someone that was in during

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Speaker 3: the Jordan era, you know, right, I mean someone in

658
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Speaker 3: the East with the Jordan era wasn't in good shape

659
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Speaker 3: the win championships. And AFC's as nasty, if not nastier

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Speaker 3: because the other competitors are brutal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been that. It's been a rough go and

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, again, you have to build part

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Speaker 1: of the like.

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Speaker 3: It bothers me that people say Ben only one two

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Speaker 3: one two. Rogers has one, Breeze, your point has one.

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Speaker 3: You know, like, these are a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of a lot of great quarterback got one, right, some

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Speaker 1: of them?

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Speaker 2: Everyone?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: If you just during the Patriot era and beyond Patriot

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Speaker 3: chief era, how many have to that? Aren't they braid

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Speaker 3: your Mahomes?

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Speaker 1: You think it's just been they've monopolized? Yeah, right, I

675
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Speaker 1: mean again, Rogers should have more than one. Yeah, he should,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean you should take one off braiding

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Speaker 1: if you look at it even more than that, if

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Speaker 1: you go from the FARV Rogers era for the Green

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Speaker 1: Bay Packers, which is even longer. Yeah, one two. They

680
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Speaker 1: want to with two Hall of Fame quarterbacks, right, I

681
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Speaker 1: guess Manning has multiple Yeah, both Mannings do, I guess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I don't put you in the same chart.

683
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Speaker 3: But I'm just trying to think who has multiple rings

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Speaker 3: other than Brady and Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: There's only, like, like last there's only like twelve guys

686
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Speaker 1: who have multiple rings period period. It's a quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: a back.

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, going back right, it's not easy, no, right,

689
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Speaker 3: And so a fewer teams back then.

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Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, and you you know you didn't have to

691
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Speaker 1: deal with free agency.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I always going to kick out of it.

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Speaker 3: Like if you were the nineteen seventy seven Steelers first

694
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Speaker 3: round pick, you may not even see the field, like

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Speaker 3: who you can knock it out of a starting spot,

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Speaker 3: let alone even a backup spot. Yeah, you know, your

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Speaker 3: thirtieth pick in the draft or whatever. Yeah, you may.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like look at Donnie Shell's career. Yeah, yeah,

699
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Speaker 1: you know, it took Shell several years to finally become

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Speaker 1: a regular. You know, same thing with like Swan and

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Speaker 1: Stalwarth their first few years they were early picked. Yeah,

702
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Speaker 1: same thing with Bradshaw. Took him for and never out

703
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Speaker 1: of the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, leaves in free agency.

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Speaker 1: Right, you got to You got to earn your your stripes.

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Speaker 3: For same with Cowboys and Raiders and Dollars of that

707
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Speaker 3: era too, And that's a big reason those teams are

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Speaker 3: so strong for so long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is different though. You'd think that

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Speaker 1: twelve teams, twelve teams haven't won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I bet Goodell doesn't love that, you know, league officers

712
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Speaker 3: don't love that.

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Speaker 1: Probably not. I mean, you'd like to spread the wealth

714
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Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the Chiefs are obviously a very good

716
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Speaker 3: marketing tool. They demand eyes. Taylor Swift doesn't hurt, but

717
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Speaker 3: would they be happier with the Browns in there.

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Speaker 1: It just goes to show, though to a degree, just

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Speaker 1: how much of a quarterback driven league it is.

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Speaker 3: That was actually my next question topic. Is it has

721
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Speaker 3: great that Brats are or Stabauch, but it was just

722
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Speaker 3: as great to not lose Lambert Ham, Green, Swan, Stalwarth,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. That you would have lost. I mean they

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Speaker 3: lost Tyreek, they lost Diggs, they love, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, but you kept the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the quarterback's more important now than then?

727
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Speaker 3: I think I think it is. It just shows I

728
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Speaker 3: mean Brady had a lot of different teammates. I mean

729
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Speaker 3: he didn Moss that whole time.

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Speaker 1: Well again, so when I was in the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame voter meeting in twenty nineteen, now it was and

732
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Speaker 1: Richard Seymour was up, and the person who was presenting,

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Speaker 1: Richard Seymour was talking about that early Patriots run when

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Speaker 1: they won their first three, the first four years, the

735
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Speaker 1: first different and he said, you know, right now ty

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Speaker 1: Law is in. We know Belichick's getting in. We know

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Speaker 1: Brady's going to get in. These are pre grong yeah yeah,

738
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Speaker 1: but no other Patriots from that era of winning three

739
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Speaker 1: and four years is in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So what you're telling me then, is that it was

742
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Speaker 1: Brady and Belichick and a bunch of slappies who won

743
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I get that argument, but that doesn't mean any of

745
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Speaker 3: those dudes were the best players at their respective positions either.

746
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Speaker 3: And they contributed to Super Bowls and I think the

747
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Speaker 3: sum was greater than the parts or whatever.

748
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Speaker 1: But you see other teams that you know, for example

749
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Speaker 1: that the Buccaneers team from really you know, they got

750
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Speaker 1: like five guys from one team they won one Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I know, Like I didn't think Barber should go or

752
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 3: Lynch should go, but Sap and Brooks were pretty easy

753
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Speaker 3: ones for me. You know, they were the best at

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Speaker 3: what they did. But like I think Lynch and Barber

755
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: are only in because that one year. Yeah, it was

756
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: a great defense, but it wasn't Steel Curtain over six years,

757
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: you know that type of thing. Yeah.

758
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: So anyways, interesting top legacy stuff this time of year.

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Speaker 1: See if the Bills can break through the glass ceiling here.

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Speaker 3: They can drop it to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Still more than it's still more than any other leader,

762
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Speaker 1: right right, yeah, so just interesting. Let's get through a break.

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Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're

764
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Speaker 1: listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Matt now will be back with more right after this a.

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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: And we are back. I am Dale Lollly. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and Matt we get some hirings and firing. Yeah,

771
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Speaker 1: lost to Liam Cohen has changed his mind and now

772
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Speaker 1: Trent Balki is no longer with the Jaguars and said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, on second thought, I'll take that job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Obviously that's the impediment, and I maybe it was

775
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Speaker 3: a little too late, but I give the con family

776
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Speaker 3: for recognizing it.

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Speaker 1: This is the guy we wanted. Maybe people don't want

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Speaker 1: to work with Balkie. Let's Cohen obviously must have just

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Speaker 1: said that to him, like, hey, I can't I can't work,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'd love to come, but I can't

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Speaker 1: work in that situation with that guy, and you're probably

782
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Speaker 1: going to fire him or move on from him at

783
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Speaker 1: some point. I'd rather just be now on. Then I

784
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Speaker 1: know who my boss is going to be moving forward.

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Speaker 3: I can help with hiring the general manager as well.

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Speaker 3: You know from what I understand too, the Bucks. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I guess he told the Bucks I'll gladly sign that

788
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: huge contract they were going to give him unless I

789
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Speaker 3: interviewed twice with the Jags, unless they call me back.

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Speaker 3: And they called him back. They called him back, everybody.

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Speaker 3: I think they put all their cards on.

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Speaker 1: I mean that the Balki firing came really quick after.

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Speaker 3: Exactly after his second he left the building. Yeah, like, okay,

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Speaker 3: you don't even get on the plane. We got to

795
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Speaker 3: do right because they got their guy, and it seems

796
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: like a good move. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: The Texans fired offensive coordinator Bobby Slowick. Now, remember one

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Speaker 1: year ago, he was hot. One year ago, he was

799
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Speaker 1: the hot name. Two years ago you had well, I

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Speaker 1: can't think of his name now, nicker uh lou An

801
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Speaker 1: Arumo was was a name that people he's going to

802
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Speaker 1: get a head coaching job. Yeah, two years later they're

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Speaker 1: both fired.

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Speaker 3: You wonder how many coaches that have gotten highired. If

805
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: they had gone back to their same situation, would have

806
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: crashed and burned as a coordinator. You know, I mean

807
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: Slowak had to get let go. I mean, I know

808
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: that they had injuries and I was gonna blame the

809
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Speaker 3: old line, but their blitz pick up and pass protection

810
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Speaker 3: stuff is all I mean, every one of their linemen

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Speaker 3: and their worst year of their career. It doesn't speak

812
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Speaker 3: well to this.

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Speaker 1: They fired they fired the offensive line coach as well,

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Speaker 1: but they also got rid of slow four oh line coaches.

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Speaker 3: They're one of those teams that have a million coaches,

816
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Speaker 3: which I don't understand.

817
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: Too many cooks in the kitchen.

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Speaker 3: I agree, I'm not sure that's the root of the problem.

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Speaker 3: But they couldn't pick up a blitz to save their

820
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: life all year. And that's like so, and don't tell

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Speaker 3: me because Dell and Digs are hurt.

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Speaker 1: The Falcons hired Mike Ruttenberg, and I don't know Mike

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Speaker 1: as defensive pass game coordinator. Do you need a defensive

824
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: pass game coordinator? I don't even know, Like what there was, like,

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Speaker 1: all these guys have their jobs throughout the week.

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Speaker 3: You know, what's what do all these dudes do? Wednesday

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Speaker 3: at four o'clock Monday at two point thirty. You know,

828
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Speaker 3: like everyone have to have this done by this so

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Speaker 3: we can go to build a game plan, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Not to mention that guy was always interested slash jealous

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Speaker 3: most of the time. If you walk in at least

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Speaker 3: the Pit Panther organization. When I was there game week,

833
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the day, unless practice is going on,

834
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Speaker 3: it's quiet. There's like me and two other people maybe

835
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Speaker 3: roaming the halls, and I'm watching tape because all the

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Speaker 3: defensive staffs in one room and they're all chewing and

837
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Speaker 3: scratching and spitting and smelling, and the whole group of

838
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: offensive dives were in the other room and there was

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Speaker 3: only like six in each room, and they all had

840
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Speaker 3: a big say, and everybody would speak up, and of

841
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: course the coordinators carried more weight, but they sat there

842
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Speaker 3: as buds and they watched the gate, they watched broke

843
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Speaker 3: down Rutgers.

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Speaker 1: Or what it came up with ideas, right, how they

845
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Speaker 1: want to do at.

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Speaker 3: Teck If there's sixteen people in that room, though, it's

847
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Speaker 3: too many different world right, And that's so a lot

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Speaker 3: of times the steam delers get criticized because well, they

849
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Speaker 3: have one of the smaller coaching staffs in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And I would always go and look when people would

851
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Speaker 1: come up with that criticism, like look around the league,

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Speaker 1: and I can remember looking one year there was actually

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Speaker 1: a team that had fewer. There were several couple of

854
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Speaker 1: teams that had fewer, but one of the teams that

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Speaker 1: did have fewer coaches than the Steelers was the New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I know that Belichick does not approve a huge staff.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't need assistance.

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Speaker 1: I don't need twenty five voices in the room. And

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Speaker 1: some of this there were teams job I went through

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Speaker 1: and counted, for example, the Rams staff at that point,

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Speaker 1: I had like twenty seven coaches. That's one for every

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Speaker 1: two players on your roster, like.

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Speaker 3: An assistant O line coach. Fine, maybe three defensive back

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Speaker 3: coaches and corners and safeties and maybe you know, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think you need all these guys and what

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Speaker 3: all they do? Now, it's funny, I was. I did

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Speaker 3: a mailbag episode of my DK podcast this week, and

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Speaker 3: one of the questions was the Steelers need to hire

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Speaker 3: more people, and I said, no, I think their system

871
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: works just fine. History shows that I would not object

872
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: if they wanted to go get an older gentleman that

873
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: has been around the league, that has never done anything

874
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 3: with the organization. And this isn't even a Steeler specific thing.

875
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: Go get somebody that has never been never made a

876
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: dollar from the Steelers as a player, a coach. He's

877
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: never been inside those walls. But he's had great success

878
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: on either side of the ball. And he's just a

879
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: senior consultant. And when he walks in the door, everyone

880
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: knows who he is. Maybe he's got a ring on

881
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: his finger, and people would just listen. You know, boyd,

882
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: you guys have been picking up the splits the same

883
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: way for twenty years. Try this. I hadn't thought of that.

884
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: Who even doing the same thing. I think that's good

885
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: for any walk of life. But that doesn't mean you

886
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: need six defensive back coaches for four zero line coaches

887
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: that can't pick up a blitz.

888
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: Or a pass game coordinator? Right, what does the pass

889
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: game coordinator? I don't know.

890
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: Some of the titles get real weird.

891
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: Defensive pass game, not even the offensive pass game. Yeah,

892
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: why isn't he your defensive backs coach?

893
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: I know some teams will break up running pass coordinators.

894
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: One of them is to play caller, but one of

895
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: them installs all the run stuff. One of them stalls

896
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 3: all the past.

897
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: Well that's that's so for the Steelers, they had your

898
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator typically handles your pass game stuff, and a

899
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: lot of times your your offensive line coach hands lining

900
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: the run. He's the one who he's the one that

901
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: has to deal with. Okay, here, here's how we're going

902
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: to block this up.

903
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't ask my guys to do things they can't.

904
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Do right, right, right, right, Because again, when you get

905
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: too many cooks in the kitchen, yeah, it gets well,

906
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: I want this ingredient when we can't do that, we

907
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: don't have that ingredient, but I want this. That's not

908
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: how this is gonna work.

909
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: It's like the Merrill Hodge story. You know, he goes

910
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: to Chicago and they talk about, well, how'd you run

911
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: this run? Well, we had DERMANI pool and they're like, well,

912
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: I can't do that, and then you can't run. Then

913
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: you got a problem, right Ronney Dawson. Yeah, and make

914
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: a trade for Rowney Dawson. But I like the Pete

915
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: Carroll hiring.

916
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pete Carroll hired by the Raiders. I'm a fan

917
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: seventy three years old. It would be the oldest coach

918
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: in NFL history.

919
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 3: Oh really, Yeah, I just think that I have such

920
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: respect for Al Davis as mark on the league. But

921
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: his last ten to fifteen years were really, really bad,

922
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: and nobody ever told him no. And I think that

923
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: might be happening New England and Dallas right now. And

924
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: I don't think his son took it up a notch.

925
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: And I think this year you get Brady involved and

926
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: you get Carroll involved. They have a lot of wins

927
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 3: between the two of them, and maybe you just step

928
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 3: back and say, I recognize that we haven't been doing

929
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: this well as ownership for decades. Now you two go

930
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: hire young people and quarterbacks and things like that.

931
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: That he change the culture, change the culture kind of

932
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: like Washington did. Yeah, we'll see see if it works.

933
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: You know again, it's interesting though, that you bring in

934
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: an old guy to change the culture. I know, I know,

935
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: you know because all I hear as well. You know

936
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: that's the old thinking of the NFL. Or you're you're

937
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: looking at the you know when I talk about the analyxs, Oh,

938
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: you're you're a dinosaur. You're looking at this. No, there's

939
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: there are ways, proven ways that things have happened in

940
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: the NFL that don't go away.

941
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: We've talked about some trends of these teams that are

942
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: still alive, running.

943
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: Them all over, running the ball and playing defense still

944
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: matters in the NFL.

945
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and turnovers and you know, not beating yourself, and

946
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: the kicking game and the finer points of it, blocking

947
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: and tackling and Chuck Mole stuff.

948
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: That stuff is never going to change.

949
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: And that's never going to change. I mean the other

950
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: fluff will change.

951
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: But which brings me back around to the Bobby Slowis

952
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: of the league. They're the hot new he's a hot

953
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: new name, and now he's out of a job.

954
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, a job. I mean, he'll be a quarterbacks coach

955
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: or something.

956
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson just got hired by the Chicago Bears and

957
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: goes into his you know, in his press conference and

958
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: starts talking about, you know, we're you know, we've got

959
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: three teams that made to the playoffs in our division. Well,

960
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 1: guess what, Ben, your team, this team that you're now

961
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: the head of, wasn't one of them. In three years

962
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: from now, If that's still the case, we're not going

963
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: to be here either.

964
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: No, no, And that's one of the things about Jacksonville.

965
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 3: At least give him some credit with the cons. Now,

966
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: what's his face aside the former Ohio state coach. It's

967
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: on TV.

968
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: Now, that was a big mistake.

969
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 3: That was a big mistake. But they're at least pretty

970
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: patient with their dudes, you know, like they're gonna I

971
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: think they'll give Cohen a couple years because there's been

972
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: a lot of bad years in Jacksonville, but they're not

973
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: super reactive in terms of Okay, we at least have

974
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: a plan that's always worked. Yeah, I'm really interested with

975
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: how what Carol hires. Does he hire a name that

976
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: wink wink might be my successor in a year or two.

977
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: You know, they come much longer.

978
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: He's got a three year contract with a team option

979
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: for the fourth, so.

980
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 3: I can't imagine he's gonna be here in twenty twenty

981
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: seven or twenty eight. Though he's got a lot of energy.

982
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: He's a pretty spry YEA, Yeah, dude, he is. So

983
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: we'll see how that works out. But you know, you

984
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: get some young guys coming in, you got some old

985
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: guys coming in. Doesn't mean either team is right or wrong.

986
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: But you know, when you hire a guy who's been

987
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: there like that and had success, at least you have

988
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: a better idea of like, Okay, when he gets in

989
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: those situation where you know, we're down four points here

990
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: late in the game with four minutes left, he's okay,

991
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: does he kick a field goal? Or does he go

992
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: for it's fourth and eight? Here you go for the touchdown.

993
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: He's been in those situations before. Yeah, he's not just

994
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator going well, you know in this situation,

995
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know if our defense can

996
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: stop him or not. At Carrolls of the world have done.

997
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, all that stuff. I say that all

998
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: the time. There's a lot of coordinators masquerading as head

999
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 3: coaches right now, like Indianapolis. Do we know he's a

1000
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: had good head coach? He's good in good offensive mind,

1001
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: that's why he was hired. Yeah. If he can't develop quarterback,

1002
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: then what what do I need you for? And I

1003
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: do believe there's probably fifty human beings walking the planet

1004
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: right now that truly know how to win in the NFL,

1005
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: and some of them are Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson

1006
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: that aren't interested in doing it anymore Joe Gibbs or

1007
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: Tom Moore or someone like that who's right eighty five

1008
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 3: years old and serving as a consultant. And Tom wins

1009
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 3: one of them, by the way, folks, you know that

1010
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: understands the whole job of being an NFL head coach

1011
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: and can consistently win John Payton's want of them. You know,

1012
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: Carrol's one of them. You know, there's a lot as

1013
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: many as you think.

1014
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, that's that's gonna do it for our number

1015
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

1016
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: Matt and I will be back with our number two

1017
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Speaker 1: right after this