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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and a new Washington Post ABC News

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Speaker 1: IPSOS poll finds it eighty percent of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four Trump voters and seventy nine percent of Republicans reacted

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Speaker 1: negatively to Trump posting an image depicting of himself as Jesus.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today, the

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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta Shows. Jim Acosta stops by to talk Trump's

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Speaker 1: unlawful aggressions against his enemies. Then we'll talk to former

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Speaker 1: North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper about his run for the Senate.

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Speaker 1: But first the news.

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Speaker 2: Smiling, you know, we're always shifting gears in Trump World,

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Speaker 2: and we're always trying to cover up for something really stupid.

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Speaker 2: He's done that he's going to have to reverse course on,

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Speaker 2: like sal a war in the Middle East, and this

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Speaker 2: week's destruction is lawfair. We're in lawfair.

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Speaker 1: When I saw this come across my feed, really upset

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Speaker 1: by this. This is a woman, she's a state senator.

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Speaker 1: She's actually I think she is the Senate pro temp right,

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Speaker 1: that's right, she's the head of the Senate in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Her name is el Louise Lucas and she's actually eighty

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Speaker 1: two years old. She was the driver behind the Democratic

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Speaker 1: redistricting of Virginia, which Donald Trump does not like because

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Speaker 1: he does not want to lose the House. And he

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Speaker 1: has started redistricting. Remember he started this when he asked

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Speaker 1: Texas Republicans to get him five seats. And now here

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Speaker 1: we are with the FBI reading the office of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Virginia President pro temp. And it is completely wild.

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Speaker 1: It's what we call law fair. It's completely not how

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Speaker 1: any of this is supposed to go. And the story,

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Speaker 1: which I think this is sort of the coup de

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Speaker 1: grass was leaked to Fox News. So you have this

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Speaker 1: administration doing something that is not okay and having their propaganda,

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Speaker 1: their favorite propaganda outlet, leave the story so that she

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Speaker 1: gets as much bad publicity as possible. Look, do I

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Speaker 1: think this is law fair?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I absolutely do. And we've seen Trump go after hiss

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Speaker 1: enemies before, and so many of us know what this

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Speaker 1: is and what it looks like because it looks like

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Speaker 1: what else he's done. But I'm sure we'll hear more

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Speaker 1: about this. This is like a very developing story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and right at the same time of this Cash

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Speaker 2: Battel is the FBI on the reporter who covered his

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Speaker 2: drinking abuse.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the FBI has launched a criminal leak investigation into

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Speaker 1: the Atlantic reporter who report on Cash Btel's excessive drinking

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Speaker 1: and unexplained absences. This is a journalist called Sarah Fitzpatrick.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting, to say the least, that Patel is

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Speaker 1: denying the story while also investigating it. Usually a person

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Speaker 1: idea that he's denying it and then investigating leaks makes

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Speaker 1: me wonder if in fact it's actually just true. She

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Speaker 1: reported last month that Patel was known to drink and

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Speaker 1: excess We saw photos of that. Remember when he went

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Speaker 1: to the Olympics in Italy and there was a picture

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Speaker 1: of him drinking with the hockey team, routinely delayed meetings

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Speaker 1: and time sensitive operations, and was often unreachable. So now

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Speaker 1: he has said that's not true, but is also trying

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Speaker 1: to investigate who told The Atlantic this story. After The

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Speaker 1: Atlantic published the story, Patel filed out two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty million dollar defamation suit against the publication. So here's

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Speaker 1: and he said quote that the story was replete with

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Speaker 1: false and obvious, fabricated allegations designed to destroy Director Patel's

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Speaker 1: reputation and drive him from office. But my is that

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Speaker 1: if it's not true, why would you investigate the leagues?

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Speaker 1: And we will see more from this, and my gas

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Speaker 1: is that like so many of the lawsuits coming out

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Speaker 1: of Trump world, it will either get dismissed or Patel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So mister Trump was very big mad that Indiana's

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Speaker 2: legislature did not want to do his bidding for redistricting,

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Speaker 2: so he endorsed a bunch of kids in the state

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Speaker 2: Trump got his way, as most of them have been defeated.

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Speaker 1: So these are Indiana state legislators who voted against redistricting

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump was able to go into their primaries,

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Speaker 1: support their opponents and make them lose their seats. Now,

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Speaker 1: it is both bad and good for Democrats. So this happened.

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Speaker 1: It's bad for democracy that the base supports Trump no

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Speaker 1: matter what, but it's also a piece of data we

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Speaker 1: already knew. We already knew that Trump World has absolute fealty,

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Speaker 1: as unpopular as he has ever been, and now you

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Speaker 1: Trump had won, then you could say, well, the base

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Speaker 1: this means that if you are a Republican, you're going

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Speaker 1: going to be you're not allowed to have any daylight

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Speaker 1: I think that is going to be a real problem

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Speaker 2: So yesterday on the show, we had Mike Madrid on

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Speaker 2: and we were discussing the concept of our Republicans just

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Speaker 2: being caught flat footed coming into the midterm elections, and

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Speaker 2: this interview Notice has with the NRCC chair says that no,

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Speaker 2: they're just absolutely delusional fools.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so, I mean again, like I just want

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Speaker 1: to so Trump is not so popular the National Republican

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Speaker 1: House is looking really tight. And the reason that we

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Speaker 1: not be trying to steal congressional seats if he thought

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Speaker 1: he was winning, right, I mean, my man is doing

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Speaker 1: everything he can to prevent it from being fair. They're

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Speaker 1: because just like with those Indiana Republicans who all lost

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Speaker 1: their seats by not going full maga, these people know

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Speaker 1: that Trump demands fealty. So instead of saying, well, you

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Speaker 1: might be some headwinds, they're saying, we're still on a

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Speaker 1: rescue mission. Remember how bad it was before. Give us

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Speaker 1: a chance to continue to make your lives better. Problem is,

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Speaker 1: gas prices have risen and risen. In risen diesel is

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Speaker 2: Really saying that there is nine dollars gas in some

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Speaker 2: with mister Trump six dollars guests won't resonate.

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Speaker 3: I'm so shocked.

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Speaker 1: It's, you know, yet another place where Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: tied these people's hands. Right, they can't say anything that's

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Speaker 1: which is good because they stink.

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Speaker 3: YEP.

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Speaker 2: So we are ten years past the debates about whether

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party should have gotten involved in the primary

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Speaker 1: Oh, tell us your view, tell us your view. I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: You want to know a really funny thing. This is

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Speaker 2: not one of those things. I'm passionate about it. I

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Speaker 2: feel like anybody who was shocked that that happened was

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Speaker 2: a political fool. This is actually not my left wing

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Speaker 1: I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: The point being there is a lot of fighting about

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Speaker 2: this right out. In fact, I even saw some fights

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Speaker 2: party officials were saying bad things about other candidates that

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Speaker 2: they should just stay out of. It was a big

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Speaker 2: war on Twitter in the past twelve hours or so.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so glad I miss that. How did I

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Speaker 1: miss that?

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Speaker 2: You're really missing just gripping commentary. I'll tell you how

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Speaker 2: you missed it. I was ready to get after midnight,

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Speaker 2: after you've been turned into a pubkin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been asleep for four hours at that point.

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Speaker 1: So here's what's going on. There are a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Democrats should not do that. They should not be getting

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Speaker 1: I think they should stay out of it. But what

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Speaker 1: leadership is acting undemocratically to boost the candidate's They view

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Speaker 1: sometimes that's not true. Like, for example, Schumer got involved

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Speaker 2: And even just as egregious as Angie craig and versus

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Speaker 1: really good example of what happened to Maine. So Schumer

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Speaker 1: so I do not know what the people may want,

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Speaker 1: And you know, who knows what the calculus there is.

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Speaker 1: But it's a really good example of why, like probably

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Speaker 1: Schumer really got over his skis when he started. I mean,

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Speaker 1: certainly there are some people like Roy Cooper who's on

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Speaker 1: this episode, who Schumer convinced to run, or Shared Brown,

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Speaker 1: enforced error, and there's no reason to do stuff like

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Speaker 1: that and let the people decide who they want and

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Speaker 1: then get in there when you're in a general and

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Speaker 1: get involved. I think it's a really important and just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially when you and I keep hearing from

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Speaker 2: people that they really just choose this by who can

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Speaker 1: I mean, who even knows because some of these candidates

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Speaker 5: So there's something happening, I think, and I.

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Speaker 5: They don't know.

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Speaker 1: In the chocolate factory. It's got to be Lucy in

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Speaker 1: the football or Charlie in the chocolate factory.

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Speaker 5: Well, remember of luci O'll ball. I love Lucy when

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Speaker 5: she was.

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Speaker 1: Like, okay, right, that's a good one.

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Speaker 4: They're coming off the conveyor belt and she can't load

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Speaker 4: them fast enough. So anyway, I'm slightly no.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 5: I love Lucy a lot growing up.

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Speaker 1: I love I love.

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Speaker 4: That scene is iconic and I think that is where

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Speaker 4: they are right now. And that got my Joe Rogan

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Speaker 4: into the White House. We got to see Marco Rubio

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Speaker 4: to the Vatican. We got to you know, pressure Indiana

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Speaker 4: to toss out these Republicans. I mean I called this

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Speaker 4: operation mid Terms freak Out, because you know he will,

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Speaker 4: he know that Trump will pump his chest out and say,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're back at war over the weekend, and

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Speaker 4: then three days later it's a one page piece plan

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Speaker 4: that he's talking about with the Iranians. Because he can't,

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Speaker 4: he can't take it anymore. They must be showing him

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Speaker 4: poll numbers. They must be looking at poll numbers internally

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Speaker 4: over there right now with whatever that guy's name is.

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Speaker 4: They always bring it.

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Speaker 5: The polster Tony Fabrizio, who freaks them out.

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Speaker 4: And I assume that this is what's happening and they're

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Speaker 4: having a full blown mental breakdown over what they see

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Speaker 4: is coming.

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Speaker 5: And so he's got to wrap this shit up. The

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Speaker 5: other thing is Marco.

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Speaker 4: He might want to go ask the Pope if it's

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Speaker 4: okay to invade Cuba, because that's the you know, Mark

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Speaker 4: Rubio is posing in front of maps of Cuba with

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Speaker 4: Sentcom earlier this week. But I'm sorry, if you want

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Speaker 4: to topple the Castro the communist regime in Cuba, they're

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Speaker 4: gonna have to bomb the shit out of Havana.

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Speaker 5: And I don't see how that's going to work well

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Speaker 5: with the Catholics either. So they're in a giant But also.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a big which is gas is really expensive. Yes,

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Speaker 1: American people hate that he made it expensive by going

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Speaker 1: into Ron and messing with the straits. Now there is

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Speaker 1: no is You and I both know from the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration one sprice to go up very hard to get

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Speaker 1: them down.

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Speaker 4: Yes, No, the oil companies really like that extra money

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Speaker 4: that's coming in, and you know, why would they want

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Speaker 4: to give that up? And so I assume there'll be

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Speaker 4: some modest easing of gas prices. I'm no economists, but

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to be back to where

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Speaker 4: they were a year ago now.

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Speaker 1: But even you you know, the Iranians are not They

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Speaker 1: do not want to play ball with us.

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Speaker 3: So that's right.

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Speaker 1: They're you know, the idea that they could church two

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Speaker 1: million dollars a ship to the Straits. I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't they do that? They have no love for us.

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Speaker 4: I mean this is like and also they have to

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Speaker 4: rebuild their military. They kind of need some money right now.

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Speaker 4: They got some bills, they got to rebuild it. Maybe

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Speaker 4: they got to rebuild this.

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Speaker 5: They you know, their nukes.

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Speaker 4: I assume they're going to want to get some nukes now.

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Speaker 4: They're going to want to rebuild their nuclear program and

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Speaker 4: get the centerfuges going again. And that costs money. That

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Speaker 4: good just to be paying for it, the American taxpayer.

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Speaker 4: You can pay for a ballroom, and you're going to

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Speaker 4: pay to rebuild Iran's nuclear program. Congratulations, America, well done.

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Speaker 1: And the joke is that if only we had had

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Speaker 1: an Iranian nuclear deal.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, that's the thing that's part of this is

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Speaker 4: apparently they're going to go back to negotiating with the

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Speaker 4: Iranians that you know, they should not have a nuclear program, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, like the thing we had in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, obamba, figure this out. And now Donald Trump just

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Speaker 1: like remember when he got rid of NAFTA and then

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Speaker 1: put in like Trump TOA or whatever it was that USMC.

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Speaker 4: I remember it was like the WAT That's why he

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Speaker 4: likes the song YMCA so much, because it's it's like

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Speaker 4: the us MC A.

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Speaker 1: But and I remember covering that stupid yeah.

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Speaker 4: I know, I remember that, And I was like, isn't

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Speaker 4: this NAFTA. This is NAFTA, right, It's kind of like NAFTA.

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Speaker 1: You'll call it n You'll call it NAFTA, I know.

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Speaker 4: And maybe he'll make maybe he'll get Barack Obama or

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Speaker 4: John Kerry to negotiate with the Iranians.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but it is rather I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't really use the word ironic anymore. Yes,

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Speaker 5: disturbing Ystopian. That's apparently a writing crutch, but I keep

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Speaker 5: going back that word.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Jim Acosta my favorite person to be in the

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Speaker 1: Dystopia with. Will you please come back?

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Speaker 5: Yes, as long as you're not in the jail cell.

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Speaker 5: I will come back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just have to get freed. Roy Cooper is

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Speaker 1: the former governor of the great state of North Carolina

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Speaker 1: and a candidate for its open Senate seed. Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Governor Cooper.

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Speaker 3: Mollie, thank you for the opportunity to be with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about being here.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to have you and especially because you're

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Speaker 1: this very interesting moment running for very important Senate seat

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Speaker 1: in the state that Democrats have not had a senator

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Speaker 1: in in a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the number one flip from red to

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Speaker 3: blue US Senate seat in the country. It's hard to

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Speaker 3: find a path for a Democratic majority in the Senate

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Speaker 3: without taking North Carolina. I'm excited that we can do it.

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Speaker 3: But you're right. Even though I served as governor for

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Speaker 3: eight years and we've had some success electing Democrats in

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Speaker 3: state offices, our last Democratic US Senator was kay Hagan.

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Speaker 3: She was elected in two thousand and eight, and that

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Speaker 3: was the same year that Barack Obama won North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: And in almost four years we've only had two Democratic

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Speaker 3: US Senators. So it is so important for us to

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Speaker 3: step up and win this seat. Now I feel positive

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Speaker 3: about it, But we need everybody's help out there, going

554
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Speaker 3: to Roy Cooper dot com finding out about our campaign,

555
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Speaker 3: signing up to volunteer, helping us financially. We really appreciate

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Speaker 3: the help from people, not only here in North Carolina,

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Speaker 3: across the country.

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Speaker 1: I find North Carolina to'd be so interesting because it's

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Speaker 1: one of those states where the governorship flipped and now

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Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to flip a Senate seat. We haven't

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Speaker 1: necessarily seen that in other states, like I'm thinking about

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Speaker 1: Kansas or states where Democrats were able to flip a

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Speaker 1: governorship and not necessarily flip the federal positions. And so

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Speaker 1: I'd love hear to talk about what you think is

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Speaker 1: happening right now in North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've defeated an incumbent Republican governor in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 3: and served two terms. I think people understand that it

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Speaker 3: is important to have those who care about their lives

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Speaker 3: and who care about the cost of living right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've worked to get health care across North

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Speaker 3: Carolina as governor, and they saw me with a Republican

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Speaker 3: legislature for eight years, bring them around to expand Medicaid,

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Speaker 3: and now we have almost seven hundred and fifty thus

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Speaker 3: thousand people who have health insurance, many of them in

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Speaker 3: the Republican rural counties, and they're recognizing that this is

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Speaker 3: a positive thing that's happening in their life, and it's

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Speaker 3: reducing their cost and making them healthier. So I believe

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Speaker 3: in North Carolina that we are ready to take this

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Speaker 3: step to send a Democrat to the US Senate. But

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Speaker 3: I know that they expect me to be putting them first.

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Speaker 3: And that'll be the difference between my opponent and me.

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Speaker 3: My opponent is Michael Wattley, who was the chair of

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Speaker 3: the Republican National Committee along with the chair of the

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Speaker 3: North Carolina Republican Party. He's going to do and say

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Speaker 3: whatever this president tells him to do and say I,

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Speaker 3: on the other hand, will be a strong independent senator

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Speaker 3: who will put the people first. I think the bad

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Speaker 3: thing about Wattley as an opponent is that he will

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Speaker 3: draw a lot of money outside Republican money. We're already

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Speaker 3: up the eighty eight million dollars of outside Republican money

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Speaker 3: that's going to be bought in airspace. But the good

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Speaker 3: thing is that in order to continue to ingratiate himself

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Speaker 3: to the president, you know how they have to do that.

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Speaker 3: He's saying things in North Carolina like prices are down

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Speaker 3: and we've defeated inflation and the economy is going great.

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Speaker 3: I've been out there on going to make stuff costs

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Speaker 3: less to her. I'm talking with people. I know that

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Speaker 3: that is not true. Being with Gerard yesterday, who is

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Speaker 3: at Greensboro UNCG student who's getting ready to leave for

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Speaker 3: the workforce, looking at the cost of rent. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: know what he's going to do. I talk with Stephanie,

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Speaker 3: who's the teacher whose budget is getting busted by grocery

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Speaker 3: prices that are going up seemingly every week for her.

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Speaker 3: I talk with Meredith, who has a child, Vivian, who

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Speaker 3: has cerebral palsy. Meredith scared to death that her medical

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Speaker 3: treatments are going to be taken away because of all

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Speaker 3: of these attacks on healthcare from Washington. So people are

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Speaker 3: hurting right now. So many people are looking up at

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Speaker 3: the middle class and thinking that they're never going to

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Speaker 3: get there, and so many families have too much month

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Speaker 3: at the end of the money. They had an administration

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Speaker 3: who promised them that they would fix us on day one,

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Speaker 3: not only have they not done that, They've made it worse,

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Speaker 3: particularly with this one big beautiful bill that has snatched

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Speaker 3: healthcare away from so many people. So people aren't feeling

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Speaker 3: that right now. What they are feeling is they want

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Speaker 3: someone in Washington to look out for them, not for

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Speaker 3: the billionaires and for the very wealthy.

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Speaker 1: Watley seems like pretty kooky. It feels like you have

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Speaker 1: a micro of the macro with Republicans of being a

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Speaker 1: Republican who has to support pretty crazy stuff in order

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Speaker 1: to keep in Trump's good graces. Is that what you're seeing.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's an election denier, a twenty twenty election denier.

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Speaker 3: He as chair of the North Carelina Republican Party, recruited

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Speaker 3: right wing candidates, and he's part of the DC insider crowd.

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Speaker 3: He worked on the Hill for Republicans and then opened

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Speaker 3: up a lobby and firm and he's been a big

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Speaker 3: oil and utility lobbyist for years and years, and so

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Speaker 3: he's part of that inside crowd. He's spending a lot

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Speaker 3: of time advocating for policies that help his clients that

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Speaker 3: he had as a lobbyist. The utility companies. We're seeing

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Speaker 3: the rates go up, We're seeing his strong support for

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Speaker 3: this war in Iran. He owns a lot of oil stocks.

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Speaker 3: Those are the kinds of things we're seeing from him.

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Speaker 3: He's going to look after his wealthy buddies when he

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Speaker 3: gets to the US Senate because he's certainly advocating for

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Speaker 3: policies that help them now. And when he's trying to

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Speaker 3: tell the people of North Carolina that prices are down

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Speaker 3: and that inflation has been to people know that he's

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Speaker 3: selling them a bill of goods. And we know why

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Speaker 3: he's doing it, because he's continued to try to stay

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Speaker 3: in the good graces of the person who anointed him

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Speaker 3: to run for this US Senate seat. So we have

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Speaker 3: an amazing opportunity here to win this race. And the

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Speaker 3: you know, we've seen some polls where things are tight,

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Speaker 3: and then there's some polls where I'm a little bit ahead.

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Speaker 3: But I want to warn people this that we've tried

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Speaker 3: to win US Senate seats in North Carolina in the past,

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Speaker 3: and what has happened. The Democrat has been ahead, ahead, ahead,

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Speaker 3: ahead until they're not and then at the end, at

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Speaker 3: the end these races close. Republican Senator Tom Tillis, who's

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Speaker 3: the incumbent won two races in North Carolina and never

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Speaker 3: led in a public poll.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of times in North Carolina, people

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Speaker 3: go home at the end and they may be telling

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Speaker 3: pollsters that they don't they aren't decided yet, but they

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Speaker 3: end up going where they are most comfortable and voting

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Speaker 3: for a candidate that they feel comfortable with. So it's

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Speaker 3: but it's really hard to know. But it's just a

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Speaker 3: warning that we cannot take this race for granted. Some

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Speaker 3: people think that we are going to win this race,

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Speaker 3: and I do too, but only if we invest, only

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Speaker 3: if people stand up and recognize that this is going

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Speaker 3: to be critical to taking back the Senate, which is

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Speaker 3: going to be so important. I told my kids the

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Speaker 3: other day that my parents had left me a better country,

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Speaker 3: but I had work to do, along with everybody else,

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Speaker 3: to leave them a better country. And one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons that I decided to run. Look, when I left

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Speaker 3: the Governor's office in January last year, I kicked off

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Speaker 3: my dress, shoes and ripped off my tie and decided

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Speaker 3: that I was going to do some other things. But

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Speaker 3: I kept seeing the chaos coming out of Washington and

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Speaker 3: understanding that I needed to step up because I knew

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Speaker 3: I had the best chance to win. I knew Democrats

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Speaker 3: had a hard time winning US Senate races in North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: I could not sit on the sidelines right now. And

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Speaker 3: I think we all need to look inside of us

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Speaker 3: and do whatever it is that we need to do

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Speaker 3: to make sure we have a course correction in our country,

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Speaker 3: to make sure we have a legislative body in Washington

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Speaker 3: that will take back its constitutional authority and trade in tariffs,

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Speaker 3: will take back its constitutional authority, and declaration of war

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Speaker 3: in budgetary matters, the checks and balances that the framers

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Speaker 3: of the Constitution intended, and that's going to help everyday people,

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Speaker 3: many of whom when you're trying to fill up the

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Speaker 3: grocery basket, you're not really thinking about abstract government issues.

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Speaker 3: But in fact, we really need to step up and

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Speaker 3: do these things, like because the tariffs are making a

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Speaker 3: huge difference in the price of groceries right now. They're

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Speaker 3: making a huge difference for our farmers in North Carolina,

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Speaker 3: hurting their budgets, sending up the cost of equipment and fertilizer,

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Speaker 3: hurting people. And the Congress has the authority over trade

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Speaker 3: in Paris. The US Supreme Court has said so, and

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Speaker 3: these things are still happening because the Republican leadership will

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Speaker 3: not step up and contest this president. So we need

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Speaker 3: people there who will do that.

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Speaker 1: You guys have a lot of FEMA drama in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about that?

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Speaker 3: Well, we had the worst natural disaster this state has

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Speaker 3: faced with Hurricane Helene. When you have a hurricane in

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Speaker 3: the mountains, that is an extraordinary catastrophe. And what has

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Speaker 3: happened is that the President came in and said we're

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Speaker 3: going to fix things, and he appointed my opponent, Michael

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Speaker 3: Wattley as the Western Recovery Czar. He has failed miserably

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Speaker 3: in North Carolina. Only twelve percent of the damages so

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Speaker 3: far have been funded by the federal government, when in

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Speaker 3: previous hurricanes across the country that number has been so

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Speaker 3: much higher, and people in western North Carolina are frustrated

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Speaker 3: and he has just simply failed in this mission. I

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Speaker 3: think it's going to be really important to recreate FEMA

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Speaker 3: to make sure that it works more efficiently. But I

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Speaker 3: think what Michael Whatley and Washington DC insiders are going

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Speaker 3: to do are simply going to push more responsibility and

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Speaker 3: expense back to the state and local government and reduce

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Speaker 3: federal funding with whatever changes they're about to make. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: I have a follow up question on the FEMA stuff,

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Speaker 1: So that seems like a very low number of people

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Speaker 1: who percentage of people who are getting the FEMA assistant

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Speaker 1: their assistance they are entitled to as taxpayers, do they

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Speaker 1: are they able to thread the need all because these

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Speaker 1: are people who are living in a very rural area

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Speaker 1: to understand that want he is the guy who was

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Speaker 1: supposed to put the FEMA response together and they did

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Speaker 1: not get that money or now.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean certainly, not only have we been

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Speaker 3: talking about that, but people in western North Carolina have

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Speaker 3: been talking about the fact that the federal money just

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Speaker 3: has not come as it's been promised. And when Trump

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Speaker 3: tapped Michael Whitley to be the one to help oversee

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Speaker 3: this process, clearly people are looking to him to try

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Speaker 3: and make this administration respond. If he can't do it here,

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Speaker 3: he's certainly not going to do it in the US

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Speaker 3: Senate because, as I said earlier, he's just going to

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Speaker 3: do whatever the President tells him to do. And it's

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Speaker 3: very frustrating for the people of North Carolina. It's frustrating

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Speaker 3: across the state that things cost so much right now,

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Speaker 3: with utilities and childcare and housing and healthcare. These prices

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Speaker 3: right now aren't keeping up with people's paychecks. And I've

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Speaker 3: been rolling out policies. People can go to Roy Cooper

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Speaker 3: dot com not only to help us, but to look

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Speaker 3: at the policies that we've rolled out that I want

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Speaker 3: to bring to Washington to direct. We're not just complaining

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Speaker 3: about the harm this administration is doing and being pushed

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Speaker 3: by Michael Whitley because he's in favor of all of

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Speaker 3: these things. We have solutions to this, and we want

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Speaker 3: people to know that we are ready to step up

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Speaker 3: and help them with the childcare tax credit, to help

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Speaker 3: them with trying to roll back these teriffts, to help

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Speaker 3: them by putting more restrictions on these health insurance companies

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Speaker 3: that are blocking people's coverage, to make sure we restore

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Speaker 3: the federal subsidies under the Affordable Care Act. We had

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Speaker 3: a couple hundred thousand people Molly who simply just couldn't

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Speaker 3: afford their health insurance anymore, and then we had hundreds

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Speaker 3: of thousands of more who had to buy at a

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Speaker 3: higher price, policies that covered less, and now they have

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Speaker 3: more out of pocket expenses. So people are highly frustrated

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Speaker 3: about this right now.

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Speaker 1: Are voters putting together that Trump has made things more expensive?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 1: One of the things I like to ask people when

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Speaker 1: they're in states where I am not and they're talking

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Speaker 1: to voters, is like, are you hearing people put it together?

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Speaker 1: Are you hearing them be like, oh, he went to

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Speaker 1: war in Iran and that is why gas is now

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Speaker 1: five dollars a gallon? Or are you not hearing that?

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Speaker 1: Just because I think we're in such media silos, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what people are hearing.

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Speaker 3: Well. I think in my campaign it is so important

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Speaker 3: for people to understand that Wattley is supporting all of

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Speaker 3: trump policies. And you know, Trump may be more popular

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Speaker 3: personally with people than his policies are, and Michael Wattley

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Speaker 3: is supporting these that are hurting people. I think people know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear that the reason they are

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Speaker 3: paying so much more at the gas pump is because

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Speaker 3: of the war in Iran, the war that this administration

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Speaker 3: said that they would not engage in. I one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent support our troops and we need to make sure

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Speaker 3: that they are protected and supported. We have ninety five

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Speaker 3: thousand active duty service men and women here in North Carolina,

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Speaker 3: but I've talked with a number of their families and

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Speaker 3: many of them are worried. They don't see the strategy

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Speaker 3: that is happening as it should. Well, Michael Whitley is

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Speaker 3: out there supporting all of this, and I think people

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Speaker 3: know that that's the reason why they are paying so

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Speaker 3: much more for gas and diesel, and we're going to

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Speaker 3: continue to let people know that in this campaign. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's why it's important for people across the

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Speaker 3: country to support our efforts so that we can make

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Speaker 3: sure that we are telling this story and also defending

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Speaker 3: off the lies that will come from the other side.

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Speaker 3: And we know that they have no problem with continuing

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Speaker 3: to tell lies. It's pretty extraordinary. But I'm positive about

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Speaker 3: where we are, Molly. I'm positive that people will understand

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Speaker 3: that I am for them, making stuff costs less for them,

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Speaker 3: while Michael Whitley is for the wealthy and the billionaires,

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Speaker 3: and I think that we can win this race because

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Speaker 3: that's the truth.

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Speaker 1: Roy Cooper, thank you, Thankie, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Molly, this has been fun. I really appreciate it, and

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Speaker 3: I'm grateful to you and your listeners, and I hope

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Speaker 3: you guys help us in North Carolina. We got to

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Speaker 3: get this thing done.

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Speaker 1: Such Jesse Tannon.

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Speaker 2: Soiley, let's take a trip over to Arizona. I really

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Speaker 2: don't want to, but let's take a trip there.

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Speaker 1: I like Arizona.

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Speaker 2: That's a little for me. Yeah, the culinary is great, though. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but they fell one vote short to criminalize blowing a

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Speaker 2: whistle when ice is around.

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Speaker 1: So here's the story. And I know this from going

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Speaker 1: to Arizona when I spoke at the Arizona List. Basically,

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Speaker 1: the Arizona State House is really even though the governor

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Speaker 1: of Arizona is a Democrat and all the sort of

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Speaker 1: leadership in the state and even the senator is I

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Speaker 1: think both senators are liberals. The problem, right, you have

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Speaker 1: two Democratic senators in that state. The problem with Arizona

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Speaker 1: is that it was a very conservative state and the

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Speaker 1: state legislature is kind of a disaster. They at one

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Speaker 1: point had a bill that I think they still have

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Speaker 1: it where there's a tax incentive for data farms. So

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Speaker 1: they've come up with some real dumb shit, and this

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Speaker 1: is very annoying. It's very much what you see in

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Speaker 1: this state. Now, the good news is it didn't pass

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Speaker 1: because they did not have enough Republican voters there, Republican

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Speaker 1: lawmakers there for the vote. The twenty nine to twenty

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Speaker 1: two vote in the Arizona and the Arizona House of

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Speaker 1: Representatives one shive the number needed for the bill to pass.

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Speaker 1: So that is good. But you should be watching these

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Speaker 1: state house bills because they're cooking up a lot of

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Speaker 1: crazy stuff. I mean, that's what happens in the state houses.

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Speaker 1: And that's how remember they overturned Roe v. Wade that

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Speaker 1: way right by coming up with a crazy state law,

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Speaker 1: S B two in Texas which ended up criminalizing abortion.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens a lot of times in these state houses.

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Speaker 1: You just have to watch them like a hawk, especially Arizona.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I always just think of their vote against celebrating Martin

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Speaker 2: Luther King Day sticks in my brain forever.

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